Mormon wives, TFP & FMK 🖤

Ashton and Bri give you their take on all things Mormon wives, Taylor Frankie Paul & a little FMK. 🖤🫣 

Dive deep with us as we discuss these controversial topics.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:03

One for cover, cover, cover. Miss Domino on the floor, pretty boy. Here I come. Make you wanna hurt something. I can pick it, man. I don't have to sex something. Hang on.

SPEAKER_02 0:31

Hi, welcome back to No Limits with Ashton and Bree. It's been a whole minute. It's been a minute. We have been feigning to get back on these mics. Yes. Life's just been a little crazy lately. It's been extremely crazy lately. What you've had going on? Ball. We've had ball. Baseball. Yeah. Baseball. Oh my gosh, what else? All the things. Work was crazy. We got super busy on spring break, which was a blessing. But tiring.

SPEAKER_01 1:02

So there was spring break. There's been ball. Lots of sickness. I was about to say you had lots of sickness on your end. I think that's all that's really kept us from sitting in our little chairs. Yeah. It's been a minute. We're so glad to be back. Oh, tell me about it. I've been wanting to talk about this, girl. Same uh. We've been talking about it on our own though, but we've we need to talk about it with y'all.

SPEAKER_02 1:27

With our little no limit soldiers. Right. Um, anyone watch Mormon Wives? Yeah, you better.

SPEAKER_01 1:35

It's good. It's really good.

SPEAKER_02 1:38

So uh basically it started uh as a group of swingers in the Mormon community. Yeah, which is uh crazy.

SPEAKER_01 1:51

Well, and like they like to say soft swinging.

SPEAKER_02 1:54

Yeah, yeah. Cause to them, I did hear Chase just say a hookup in the Mormon community could be a kiss. That's them hooking up.

SPEAKER_01 2:03

Well, and that's a little intense, but I mean to each their own. Right. Right.

SPEAKER_02 2:10

Okay. So basically they got this show after the shit hit the fan on the internet. Right. And season one was really good. You know, you're rooting for all of 'em. Yeah. They they um have like a little bit of a power struggle, I feel like, of who's in charge of my talk and you know, but at the end of the day, I feel like they are like all there for each other and right. But this last season was crazy.

SPEAKER_01 2:38

Yeah. I feel like the first season, like, it was a it was focused on um Taylor's uh arrest that has recently come back up again. Oh yeah. Which we'll talk about later. But yeah, yeah, season four was right, season four? I think it was four. Yeah, it was wild, and I was so annoyed. I was so annoyed. This is the first season I've ever been annoyed. I was a little annoyed too, if I'm being honest.

SPEAKER_02 3:03

And I think we were annoyed for different reasons, which is interesting.

SPEAKER_01 3:06

It is because usually we agree on that.

SPEAKER_02 3:08

You would think we agree on everything, but it's funny because like when it comes to like this type of stuff, we do have a difference of opinion sometimes.

SPEAKER_01 3:16

Yep, we really do. Um, I'm trying to think even kind of where it started. It was just still, of course, this season talking about Dakota and Taylor's little downfall. So Taylor Frankie Paul is like the main one.

SPEAKER_02 3:32

Yeah. And okay, she was married to a guy named Tate. And they had two kids? Yeah. Two. Um, swings and scandal, divorce. She's single, she starts dating Dakota. Right. She gets pregnant by Dakota, right? Right.

SPEAKER_01 3:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:48

So she has two kids from her previous marriage and one kid with Dakota. Right.

SPEAKER_01 3:54

Okay, okay. But remember, they have like a miscarriage, so yeah, yeah, yeah. That's probably where your brain's going to.

SPEAKER_02 4:00

Yes. So on this season, the whole season, her and Dakota were broken up, right?

SPEAKER_01 4:07

Well, I mean, allegedly.

SPEAKER_02 4:08

But they were still, oh, I love her, but I want to shake her because I was her and girl quit.

SPEAKER_01 4:14

Yeah, it's like we never really know when they're truly broken up and when they're not. It's just, it's a lot sometimes.

SPEAKER_02 4:24

Well, I think she'll make it out to her friends and family like they're not talking, and then when he's on camera, he's like, I was literally in her bed last night.

SPEAKER_01 4:30

And you're like, What? Right, right. Excuse me, what? But we've all been there and done that. I know, I know, I know. Which I think led to a lot of the things we're seeing recently, like in all the news and stuff.

SPEAKER_02 4:40

So there's there's Taylor, uh-huh, and then there's Macy. Yep. Who we love. We love Macy and Michaela, they're best friends. Yes. Now Macy is the one that has had some sexual abuse trauma in the past, right?

SPEAKER_01 4:55

Right. And then her son's father died, like very tragically. Um, she just recently this season was showing like the book that she wrote a book, yep. Which I really want to read that.

SPEAKER_02 5:05

I do too. I do too. I really do like her. I do. And I feel like she's friends with all of them. Uh-huh. And the only time that she has to like get involved or like pipe up, it's it's very warranted. Like it's not just them trying to start drama. I feel like.

SPEAKER_01 5:22

She got on my nerves the way she treated her husband this season.

SPEAKER_02 5:24

But agreed. And I think a lot of people had that same opinion. I just wonder if I think too, she hated that he was getting close to all the boys, and I think that had a lot to play into it.

SPEAKER_01 5:33

Well, and you know, we all have to think sometimes it's the way they edit the stuff. Oh, right.

SPEAKER_02 5:38

I mean I They're showing us two minutes of a two-hour conversation.

SPEAKER_01 5:42

So there's no telling really but I love Jacob. Jacob's one of my favorite guys on the show.

SPEAKER_02 5:48

I like him too a lot.

SPEAKER_01 5:49

And I love Michaela. Michaela was really going through it this season.

SPEAKER_02 5:52

Now her husband's name is Jace, right? Yes, Jace. And he be catching strays these days. I it's not that I don't like Jace. I do wish he would talk faster. But I do, he does get on my nerves.

SPEAKER_01 6:05

Why does he talk so slow?

SPEAKER_02 6:07

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 6:08

I think he's such a good man though.

SPEAKER_02 6:09

He is a good man. I just hate that they're going through what they're going through because she has gone through she's had sexual trauma, and so it has carried on into her adult life, and now their biggest thing was she's not able to be sexual with him, and that's hard for him. Right. So it it that is really sad to watch because you can tell they both really, really love each other. They do.

SPEAKER_01 6:37

They do. And I think he understands a lot, but I think he gets frustrated because of like let's do this, this, this, this, this to help. Yeah. But really, I mean, who knows what will help.

SPEAKER_02 6:53

Maybe maybe all that therapy and the gone to therapy, they've gone together.

SPEAKER_01 6:58

Maybe none of it's gonna help. Maybe it's gonna be something that she's gonna have to figure out on her own. But I've been watching socials and stuff, and there's um I think now you know, they be making us think stuff sometimes. Right. But I think that they're moving to California. Like together? I think. Or talking about it or something, but they did separate, like physically. Right separate. I knew they separated. Um and I it was just it it was wild to see all that and sad.

SPEAKER_02 7:29

I can't imagine. Yeah, because like one wasn't it like they were at a party or something, and somebody was like, Oh, where's it was the very last episode, like, where's Jace? What's he gonna be? And she's like, Oh, I don't know, like, but in her little confessional, she was like, It's really awkward because not everybody knows that we're not living together, so yeah, like they didn't even think anything.

SPEAKER_01 7:51

Looking at her hurts me so bad. Because literally, you know how bad my X-Men is.

SPEAKER_02 7:57

When she's stressed out, her skin just goes crazy.

SPEAKER_01 7:59

Her skin, I just feel so bad. I cannot imagine.

unknown 8:04

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 8:05

It is crazy, man. Ash and talk about this. So in season one, her skin was really bad, and like not even just that, not bad, not even just bad skin. It was literally like her eyes were black underneath. Her skin was mispigmented. It's not like acne, bad skin. Um, but then the I don't remember if it was the next season or the next, when she got real mouthy and like would stand up for herself and would stand up for her friends. Literally, her everything cleared up. She's like, it's so crazy. I think that me not speaking up for so long was just it's like stress. Yeah, she was glowing. That is that is wild. Now, how do you feel about okay, we did them. Demi. Uh, she's irrelevant. I know I can't stand her. Let's not even waste her time. Um, her and her husband, ooh. Ooh, grandpa. Um, okay. Took me by surprise. My favorite two of this whole entire franchise now. Layla and Miranda.

SPEAKER_01 9:08

I love Miranda.

SPEAKER_02 9:09

Yeah. Layla, I love Layla. I just got really, really sad when she talked about being addicted addicted to Ozympic and she's like 90 pounds. Right. I would have never what doctor is prescribing her that? First of all, they need to get their license taken because that's pitiful.

SPEAKER_01 9:28

Unfortunately, I feel like a lot of people are Oh, well, they probably all are. Right. It's just sad. Um Yeah, and I think that kind of stems from her always wanting to be a model too. Okay, now she's divorced and has kids.

SPEAKER_02 9:44

Yeah. And the guy she was dating on this season is what was his name?

SPEAKER_01 9:49

Mason.

SPEAKER_02 9:49

Mason. So she dated Chase and slept with Chase, which is Miranda's ex-husband and baby daddy. Right. Now she's dating Chase's brother, Mason.

SPEAKER_01 9:59

Well, and they're since broken up, which makes me sad.

SPEAKER_02 10:01

Yeah. Well, okay, me and you kind of had to talk about this a little bit. So I feel like we had two different opinions on their conversation.

SPEAKER_01 10:10

Right. Let's try to think back. So they were basically having a conversation about she didn't feel like he enjoyed being around her kids. And he was like, you know, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, you feel that way. And then he confided in her that it is hard for him when her boys disrespect her because he wants to take up for her and like try to teach them to be more respectful. But then again, he also doesn't really know what he can and can't do. Right. So that's why he kind of stays standoffish. Yeah. And she was saying, like, you know, I let them get by with so much because of my divorce.

SPEAKER_02 10:56

I literally feel like I do the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 10:58

I that's like an internal thing because I feel so bad for them. And he was just like, Well, you know, that's not your fault. Like they still have to have this and that and all this stuff. It was a really good conversation, I thought. Like, I and he started crying, and he was basically like, I'm so sorry that you felt that way because I love being around them. I just this is like a sticky situation where I don't know what I can and can't do and what I can be a part of and what I can't be a part of.

SPEAKER_02 11:28

Yeah. Yeah, because I feel like, and I I don't want to say this wrong, but I do feel like I don't know if it was him or her that said it, but that he like did not want to be father figure. He did not like right. So to me, that's when I was like, when he started having that saying all that, I'm I was like, you don't want to be a father figure? Then why the hell do you get an opinion? But I see your side of things, and honestly, me and Jordan still have this conversation. We had this conversation last night. It's hard for her to let me take it, take it, take it, eat it on the chin, eat it on the chin, eat it on the chin, let you know what I mean? And she's like, You don't understand how hard it is for me to watch that.

SPEAKER_01 12:08

Right. I think I mean I don't have a stepparent, obviously, but like I've been around that my whole life from family and stuff. And I think there's a fine line. There is there is okay. Give my parents for an example. If my parents would have divorced, both my parents have always been so present, whoever they would have got with, they wouldn't have needed to be a step parent to me. Yeah. They can be a figure in my life, yeah, like a bonus. But then there's other cases where a father or a mother, sometimes even, doesn't do the things they need to do. So the step parent. Right. The step parent has to actually step in and take over roles, and like I've witnessed that myself. Right. So, but I think with her, from what I've gathered, like she doesn't talk about him much, but I think that's because she can't. Yeah, agree. But what I've gathered is he's a good dad, uh-huh, and she's a good mom. She says that, yeah, they're just not good together, and they co-parent as best as they can. So at that point, she doesn't need another father figure in her kids' life. Right. That's how I took it.

SPEAKER_02 13:17

Like they have a dad, you don't have to be the dad. Right.

SPEAKER_01 13:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:21

Right. And I So now they're broke up.

SPEAKER_01 13:24

They are. And I just listened to a podcast the other day and with Chase and Harry Jousey. I love him.

SPEAKER_02 13:33

I love him. Oh my gosh, I love him. I know that's an unpopular opinion. Some people can't stand him. I love him. I love him too. Now I know why he's single, because he's Harry Jousey.

SPEAKER_01 13:44

And when he says he's a girls' girl, like before that I believe him. Before that podcast, he literally texts Miranda and Jesse to see what he could talk about with Chase. Well, that was nice. And he's like, because I'm a girl's girl, bro.

SPEAKER_02 14:00

Well, I wish I could remember what he said to Chase that had me cracking up. There's no telling. There's no telling. Because unpopular opinion, I like Chase too. Oh, I like that. Now I don't think Chase should have said what he said about Macy's baby daddy. He was just, and he and he's apologized. He's like, I shouldn't have said that. I was trying to be relevant, I was trying to be funny, whatever. But I do like Chase. And honest to God, on this season, there was a few times when he put Jordan in his place. I said, okay. Yep. Okay. He literally, my favorite thing he said all season, Jordan's sitting there, I didn't do it, I didn't do it, I didn't do it. Saying he didn't out Dakota, which he did, his best friend. And Chase just leans up. He's like, hey guys, hey guys, the call is coming from inside the house.

SPEAKER_01 14:45

Literally.

SPEAKER_02 14:47

It was the best.

SPEAKER_01 14:49

I'm like, yes. But you said that, sir. Oh my gosh. Yeah. But he said that basically they broke up due to timing. Like the timing wasn't right for their relationship.

SPEAKER_02 15:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 15:06

Now, you know, of course, you spent throwing some shade on the TikTok, but what girl that got their heartbroke doesn't throw shade, even if you do it? Like, so I don't know why they broke up. All I know is Mason was fine. And I hate that for her because he was fine. Mason was fine. He was beautiful. Okay, so how do you feel about Miranda? Oh, I love her. I but I've loved her since the beginning. Same. There's never there's never been a time. I mean, I know that like the main worry was, oh, she's doing this, but okay, well, who cares?

SPEAKER_02 15:36

Yeah, she said, Oh, I love that part where she said Whitney, like Whitney Love It, like, you know, she said, I'm coming back for dancing with the stars. At least she was honest. And she's like, and Whitney tried to say, I was coming on here for clout. I wasn't coming on here for clout. I was coming on here for money. Literally. Pay me. I wanted the money.

SPEAKER_01 15:54

Literally.

SPEAKER_02 15:55

I'm like, yes, girl. Well, and I've been listening to She's a good friend too, because she's been putting some crappy situations with Taylor and Shania and all that. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:04

We gotta get on that. Because when I tell you, I never really get mad at Taylor. I don't know why, but I don't, but I was furious with her for the way she treated Miranda. Like, I couldn't imagine being in that situation. Yeah. Like, if you did that, because you're my best friend, Shania was her best friend. Like, if you if you did that to somebody's ex, I'd be like, I gotta protect you at all costs. Yeah. But then again, even if what you did was wrong, I would just be like, bro, you have to tell. Like, you can't put me in the middle in this. You have to tell. She made her tell her, didn't she? She was telling her that. But I mean, Taylor, when you're in that moment, you don't care about all the details of it. She's like, How long have you known? How long have you known her? I'm just pissed. And I did not like the way she talked to her. I did not like the way she made her feel. She talked down to her.

SPEAKER_02 16:54

I think too, it's bad because they all knew, like, that's they she knew that's how she would react and that's how she would feel. And then it's like she just had to sit there and convince her that I am a good friend and I did have your back. And I don't condone that. Right. But it's the same shit her baby daddy's doing. Her baby daddy and Taylor were hanging out.

SPEAKER_01 17:14

But how we not mad about that. Well, and that was another argument, and I think somebody might have even said it on the show. And I was just like, no, literally.

SPEAKER_02 17:22

Like you were literally messing around with Chase. Well, they never said they were messing around. He said they hooked up. He said, and when I say hook up, we kissed. That's all we did is kiss.

unknown 17:32

Right.

SPEAKER_02 17:32

But I don't know if that was like this time when they were talking or like prior when they were talking, like not on the TV show. Right.

SPEAKER_01 17:41

Um but yeah, that that was just I really lost respect for her whenever she was talking to her like that.

SPEAKER_02 17:50

I okay. I love her to a fall, like you do, Taylor Frankie Paul.

SPEAKER_01 17:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:59

I don't think I I don't recall ever treating my friends the way she treated her friends. I think what baffled me the most was so those of you don't that don't know, she was gonna be the bachelorette. And I think what baffled me the most is that whole day. Like, right, okay, her mom, sister, and kids went to wake her up, right? Or did they not have the kids? Did she have the kids and then they left with them? I can't I don't remember if the kids got out of the mama's car or not. So part of me thinks they didn't.

SPEAKER_01 18:32

I don't think they did. I think Aspen just went inside her sister.

SPEAKER_02 18:35

Okay. And then she wouldn't leave. She said she didn't feel good, she just couldn't do it, whatever. Literally told them, y'all go ahead and go. And I'll meet y'all there. So the mom and sister took her kids to the airport to fly to the bachelorette where she was supposed to be going. Simultaneously, her friend group had made these posters. That was hilarious. And we're waiting on her. Well, they find the mama. They're like, Where's Taylor? And the mama's like, Oh, she doesn't feel good, she's at home. Well, I want to say it was Jay-Z. I don't remember which one first it was. No, it was Michaela. It was Michaela, was like, Yeah, well, Dakota was over there last night. So, and he just left. Like, right, she's not sick. Right. So then the family was pissed and was like, Well, you can go tell her that she can get on a plane right now and get up, or she's we're done with her. So then it proceeds like her riding in the car on the way to the bachelor, talking to Dakota and like going back and forth with him, like, save me a rose. I love you, I love you. And like, even her, like, I love you and I hate you. Why are you even doing this? Like, why, babe?

SPEAKER_01 19:48

Why it's exhausting at this point.

SPEAKER_02 19:50

So then, two, I was livid that she let him spend the night with her the night before his little shitting grin walking out of her house at 5 a.m. 100%. He's happy. He mentally effed her up to the point where she felt like she physically could not go. And then when she does go, she's still talking to him. So apparently, while she was gone filming The Bachelorette, he was making out and sleeping with all these girls. So then when she comes back, apparently, allegedly, when she comes back to town, she mollywops his ass.

SPEAKER_01 20:27

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 20:28

Which I don't love either. I just want her to get away from him.

SPEAKER_01 20:33

Yeah, and I feel like right now, maybe they're gonna maybe now, because there's talk about like restraining orders and all this stuff.

SPEAKER_02 20:44

Because the day that The Bachelorette was supposed to get released, a video got leaked of the old, was it 2013 arrest? 2023. Um, yes, that's what I that's what I meant. On Ever's birthday. Yeah, yeah. He released it on Ever's birthday. That's like insane. And I know it was him. I don't care what nobody says.

SPEAKER_01 21:02

Tell this part, and I'm gonna get my phone so the listeners can hear my squeaky chair. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 21:06

Um, yeah, so on the day the bachelorette was supposed to be released, and at this point, it was already on Hulu, like that it was coming. Um, this, these body cam footage and all this footage of this fight gets released to TMZ. Okay. TMZ has now come out and said it was a singular person that sent it. It was not the police department. All the people that I'm seeing, like Jay Z and Miranda and all of them, they definitely think Dakota did it. Um, but the video, uh it is of her going crazy and chasing him and throwing chairs at him, and one chair does hit her daughter. And but to me, like it was so hard to watch. But to me, I'm sitting there thinking, what the fuck happened the hours before that that got her to this point? Like she didn't act like this with anybody but him. Right. It's giving Gabby petito, if you want me to be honest.

SPEAKER_01 21:58

Well, and if you go back and

SPEAKER_02 22:00

He's not the victim.

unknown 22:01

No.

SPEAKER_02 22:02

He's the victim of listeners, but he is not the victim.

SPEAKER_01 22:05

He's a victim of reactive abuse.

SPEAKER_02 22:07

Agreed. And maybe her children are the victims.

SPEAKER_01 22:11

Right.

SPEAKER_02 22:12

And some people would say she's not even the victim, that she's the aggressor. And I would love to say, if she's so aggressive and he's so scared for his fucking life, why did he take his phone out and start videoing her? So he could use it as blackmail.

SPEAKER_01 22:26

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 22:26

Like it's c case in point.

SPEAKER_01 22:28

Thousand percent. And so like the 911 call from that night actually came from a neighbor, and she was like, There's screaming going on in the garage. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I forgot about the garage. And there's just a lot of inconsistencies because he talks about how they pull up in his truck, she forgot her house keys. So they went back to her car to go get her house keys. Well, you have a babysitter in your house, and your babysitter's not asleep. So why did you even have to do that? Why did you even need to go get car keys? That's neither here nor there. But it's like they never go into the garage with a vehicle, and then they do go into the garage, but like she doubles down that he had me locked in the garage and would not let me leave.

SPEAKER_02 23:20

And he said that she was on the top of this truck.

SPEAKER_01 23:23

And that's when she peed in her pants.

SPEAKER_02 23:26

Yeah, she literally was so scared she peed on herself.

SPEAKER_01 23:30

Um which that like broke my heart into a million pieces for her. I just can't imagine like going through something like that and your kids being inside the house because when I was in those situations in my own life, like I didn't give a crap, nobody was ever around, but I didn't give a crap who was around. Right. I was just trying to protect myself, but in the same sense, like it's a very hard place to be. And I even saw a TikTok, I told you about this at the very beginning of this, and I was like, okay, so this is a pretty good perspective. It was from a girl, well, woman, and she was like, when I was young, I wish I would have seen my mom stand up to my dad the way Taylor stood up to Dakota, because then I wouldn't have ended up being with a man who abused me too percent.

unknown 24:24

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 24:25

She was like, no matter what, she was like, I'm not saying that this is okay or that's okay. I'm just saying I wish I would have seen my mom stand up to her abuser because then I would have known that this was not normal behavior. Right.

SPEAKER_02 24:39

And that is such a good way to look at it. And then we also love what Paige DeSorbo said. Let me think of exactly how she said it. She's like, if you're mad at Taylor Frankie Paul or you like dislike her, you have ill feelings towards her, I genuinely feel bad for you. Right. Because you have never dated a Dakota then. You've never, like, good on you that you can judge her. That just goes to show you've never been with a man like that.

SPEAKER_01 25:08

Right.

SPEAKER_02 25:09

That's all that that's telling me.

SPEAKER_01 25:11

And it is. And I mean, I just see so many other signs in it, like the way he ruins every event.

SPEAKER_02 25:19

Every event, every big thing. She remember.

SPEAKER_01 25:23

I remember like the person that abused me, it didn't happen until the night before I had to wake up early for work. Right. Or a birthday party. The afternoon before I had to go see my family, finally.

SPEAKER_02 25:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:35

It was oh my god, don't even get me started on Easter, Mother's Day, Thanksgiving, Father's Day, and Christmas. Oh. We have to have a huge knockdown drag out then, because then you don't feel like going. Because let me tell you something, if you've never had anybody beat your ass, you have no idea how exhausting it is. Yeah. And honestly, I've also had somebody, well, the same person, emotionally beat my ass. Right. And that's just as exhausting.

SPEAKER_02 25:59

Yeah. You're making so much sense because I even have a friend that passed away and she was in a really bad relationship. And for years and years and years, it was just like known that they were late to everything. I mean, I was late to everything. If they even showed up. Right. And since she's passed, we now know that he would hide her keys and physically fight her so she could not leave. He would literally hide her keys and not let her leave the house because he didn't want her to see her family. It's disgusting. Because they would be like, Are you okay? Do you need help? Are you you know? Right. Oh God, I cannot. It makes me sick.

SPEAKER_01 26:42

Yeah. And it the just the whole situation is so bad because kids are involved.

SPEAKER_02 26:46

So bad. They literally, I mean, that got put out, the bachelorette got canceled. The next day it was seen her ex-husband and Dakota both filing for custody.

SPEAKER_01 27:00

Well, and that seems a little weird to me, too, because I mean she's had her kids.

SPEAKER_02 27:06

Well, okay. He put out a statement and said until Dakota sent him that video, he had no idea any of that happened. See, I didn't see that. No, he had no idea any of that happened. So he didn't go file until Dakota sent him that video.

SPEAKER_01 27:20

Interesting.

SPEAKER_02 27:21

So if Dakota sent it to him, you think he might have sent it to the TMZ.

SPEAKER_01 27:25

Well, and I go back on this too. Thank you for bringing up the video. I feel like, too, that her up and down battle hadn't just been because okay, I'm infatuated with this man. We've been through so much. I have a trauma bond with him, basically, at this point. Because you do most of the time. But I feel like he also has been like dangling that little video. Oh my god. You know he has. Don't forget I have that video.

SPEAKER_02 27:52

You know he has. And don't forget I have that video. The way that he gaslights her and is like, I just want to be with you. I'm doing everything I can to be with you. You won't be with me. I'm trying. I want to be with you. I want to okay, but you treat me like garbage and you're sleeping with everybody and you're abusive and like it makes no sense the way he gaslights her in her head to make her think I'm the one that wants to be with you. You're the one that can't get it together. Right. And I hate that. Speaking of things I've hated, uh-huh. We're gonna have to get on, we're gonna have to go ahead and talk about Jay-Z styles too.

SPEAKER_01 28:29

I know. You're really mad at her these days.

SPEAKER_02 28:31

I wish I wasn't. Well, I mean, it's fine. I wish I didn't have um the ick, but I do. And I think oh, I don't know. I don't know. I don't like the back and forth with Jordan. I feel like I hated him, obviously. I'm so glad she got away from him, but I hated how she would make him tell her things about like Dakota or Taylor or probably anybody and everything. And then I don't know. I didn't like that she knew at the end of the party that Shania was coming and Dakota was gonna be there, and they've been talking, and she knew. Right. I don't know. I just feel like it just felt very snakey to me. I didn't like that. And maybe she's just one of those people that just wants to know everything about everybody and have all the information. Jeez. We thought it was our ghost getting loud.

SPEAKER_01 29:30

I definitely think she wants to know all the things. I think she is a busybody, which isn't a bad thing. I mean I'm just not one of those people, but I I definitely think she wants to know everything. And she was married to a busybody, so I agree with you on that.

SPEAKER_02 29:46

I got the ick so bad that when they were when they went to pick up Taylor and Taylor would not open that door, and all of them were standing there. When she was like, Um, I'm done. I've been a good friend. I we did this and I did this and I did that, and I got up at 4 a.m. and da. Like, I have the ick so bad that in my head I was thinking, did you do it just so you could say you did it? Or did you really want to be a good friend and do that?

SPEAKER_01 30:11

Well, and I do think I do think she's a good friend. You haven't this whole time. This is a good thing.

SPEAKER_02 30:17

It it this is this specific season has got me, you know, I was obsessed with her. But I'll tell you why I think she's a good friend in a minute.

SPEAKER_01 30:25

But I I actually loved when she went to go get Taylor and she called her out on her crowd.

SPEAKER_02 30:31

Yeah, I thought you would. I thought you would. I feel like we have a difference of opinion when it comes to like these things. Right. Um, I I don't know. I don't know because they were all mad. They were all like they were all like, what the hell?

SPEAKER_01 30:44

Like they were. And I I think too that Jessie like really feels for Leanne, Taylor's mom, because that's one of her clients.

SPEAKER_03 30:54

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 30:55

And so I think that she gets to see things sometimes in a different light. Like, I'm not saying that Taylor's mom's always right at all. Yeah. But I mean, the poor woman's been through her own situation herself. And I feel like she's just like, oh wow, my daughter's traveling down the exact same road.

SPEAKER_02 31:10

Like I can always I think there's so much alike, that's why they butt heads so bad.

SPEAKER_01 31:14

Yeah, agreed. But I I don't know. I really I like the way she tried to get her together, but it did not work.

SPEAKER_02 31:21

No, I wouldn't call my mama a bitch like she did. Oh no. She called her mom a bitch. Oh no, I And double down.

SPEAKER_01 31:28

Uh the way she talks to her mom really stresses me out, but the way her mama talks to her really strong.

SPEAKER_02 31:31

Yeah, but my mama wouldn't say the things to me that her mama says to her either.

SPEAKER_01 31:34

It's just a very weird situation. Yeah, they have a different kind of relationship, I feel like. And that's just Yeah. But Okay, going back to Jesse. Yeah, you tell the you tell all the things. I think I think she's a very good friend. Okay. She might have made out with Miranda's ex-husband.

SPEAKER_02 31:54

See? And now she's with Marciano. What is all this about?

SPEAKER_01 31:57

You think that's clickbait? That they did like a Jay-Z ad of a hair salon.

SPEAKER_02 32:03

Oh, so they're trying to just be funny.

SPEAKER_01 32:05

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 32:06

Okay, well, they need to announce that it's a joke because at this point, um, I believe it. I'm like, oh, okay. Now they're dating, cool. Yeah. No, no. If he literally posted her walking hand in hand with him away. That's that was part of the ad. She's iconic. Yeah, that was part of the ad.

SPEAKER_01 32:25

And then like posted like her from like the neck down at a dinner.

SPEAKER_02 32:30

His hat said lovers on it.

SPEAKER_01 32:31

Literally.

SPEAKER_02 32:32

Because I thought it said lover boy, and I was like, wait a minute. They are not getting into the summer house drama. I mean, I'll tell you this.

SPEAKER_01 32:38

If I was married to a Jordan and and all that happened to me.

SPEAKER_02 32:41

Ooh, he is a pip squeak.

SPEAKER_01 32:42

I think I'd have, I think I'd have my little fling do an ad for my hair salon too, sis. Go ahead and beat your shot. Shoot your shot. Yes. Okay, but this is the reason I think she's a good friend. Okay. When and now we don't know the extent of how emotionally abusive he was, but I can only imagine because just listening to him talk about it. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 33:06

He tell when the when they were sitting on the couch, was that last season or this season? When they were sitting on the couch and he was literally like, You're a bad mom. What are you gonna do when your kid googles your name one day and your son has to see his mom being a whore? You're like, what? And your husband's telling you this, mind you. Like what?

SPEAKER_01 33:24

The Caller Daddy podcast. Oh if you haven't listened to that podcast with Jesse on there, I highly suggest it. Um it in my opinion, so emotional abuse usually that's just kind of the way I think some people get that confused and think, oh, they just talk to you a certain way. No, it's a lot deeper than that. Because she said that literally she has like triggers from hearing the refrigerator beep when you leave the door open for two weeks. Oh, yeah, because he'd flip out on her because of that. I do that every time I bring home groceries. Like so I think that what I think it was an intense uh situation. I don't know. 100%.

SPEAKER_02 34:09

And he also had little man syndrome because she's the breadwinner. Correct. So he's gotta constantly pick at that.

SPEAKER_01 34:15

But the reason I think that she's a good friend, coming back to all this, is because like this season a lot, you see her showing up to events with the bag that all the women knew that was her spend the night bag, basically. Like it was a big oversized pocketbook, and when she had to go stay in the hotel, that's what she would take with her. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. But I remember her.

SPEAKER_02 34:43

I will say when they called her out about doing the Call Her Daddy podcast, that's why I'm glad she did get it back.

SPEAKER_01 34:49

Right.

SPEAKER_02 34:50

Um, when they called her out about like doing that instead of doing Michaela's Macy's event, um, I did like I do really believe that okay, you know how I am with birthdays? Like, I will forget my best friend's birthday. Yeah. And I feel bad because I know that matters to her. It don't mean a shit to me about a birthday. But our own birthdays, let us let us. We care about our kids' birthdays. That's it. Right. Um, but it's like I the same thing. I think like in Jesse's mind, if it were her event, it wouldn't have been as big of a deal. She would have been like, oh my God, yeah, go take that opportunity instead. But the fact that like that is the only big opportunity that she was given. Right. Like, I think as soon as she realized, like, oh no, like she really depended on me and my name and like me doing that for her. It was like no questions asked, I'll cancel it, I'll do whatever. Um, so that's why I did think it was funny that Whitney Levitt didn't show up when she's one of Sarah talking about do you need me to host that? Do you need a host? Do you need a host? That was much. The only thing good about her is her husband.

SPEAKER_01 36:02

Now I will say I did like her toward the end of this season a lot. Oh, yeah, because you can't stand Jean Athlete. Can't stand.

SPEAKER_02 36:08

I used to like her and I don't know more. And listen, to whoever's listening to this, we did not ask for a Ben, not Ben, a Jen and whatever the hell her Zach spinoff.

SPEAKER_01 36:19

Oh god.

SPEAKER_02 36:19

We did not want that.

SPEAKER_01 36:20

I'm not listening to it. Watching it, listening to it.

SPEAKER_02 36:24

The only thing I think is funny, Pasia Sorbez said, you know how it like actually crushed his soul to have to go to LA with her for what they were like, she's only on a show for what three weeks. It was more than that. But he literally like lost his identity and was crying. And I can't do this, I can't just be your husband. And so after that, they're like, Hey yeah, let's send them there. Let's send him further away to where he has less of an identity. Right. That's what he gets.

SPEAKER_01 36:51

My favorite thing when he went to go get advice from Connor, and Connor's like, I do up close magic tricks. Ah, Connor.

SPEAKER_02 36:56

And he meant it. He really meant it. Yeah. He literally looked at her and was like, Well, I guess we're moving here. Like it wasn't no questions asked. He is a good dude. Very supportive.

SPEAKER_01 37:06

Very, very supportive. I feel bad for all the things I said about him first season.

SPEAKER_02 37:09

Me too. But it listen, I think he is such a good husband because I think he is on our team, if you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_01 37:17

Well, I think he does love his wife. A little bye-bye. But I think he, you know. He was also molested too. I forgot about that.

SPEAKER_02 37:27

He's very s he's like super sweet too, like and supportive when it comes to that.

SPEAKER_01 37:31

Yeah. He um actually I think is trying to start like trying to help people through that.

SPEAKER_02 37:37

I love that.

SPEAKER_01 37:38

He's helped Jace a lot with like Jace to understand what's Michaela with Michaela. Yeah. Which I love that. Like if that's ever happened to you and you finally get to a place where you're healed, like, use that to help other people. Because I love that about whenever you take that kind of pain and hurt and try to make it into good.

SPEAKER_02 37:56

And then you told me too about this like ADD. Um about the some video that Jordan had of Jay-Z. Oh yeah. So kind of like the same as the Dakota video. Correct.

SPEAKER_01 38:10

It was it wasn't a video of her. Well, there's two actually. He had a video of all the text messages between her and Marciano. And that was what he initially used as like blackmail. Blackmail for her. Had it in his drafts on TikTok.

SPEAKER_02 38:32

That's insane.

SPEAKER_01 38:34

Uh-huh. Then like a click of a finger, he could ruin her life. Yeah. So then she talked about this on the Caller Daddy podcast. Um like the littlest thing she said he would be like, let me go ahead and upload that TikTok real quick. Oh my god. So she's chasing him through the house basically to get his phone. Which, I mean, I would do the same. My gosh. Whatever. Right. But he starts recording her making her look erratic. Or chasing him to get his phone. So this just gets full circle and goes back to kind of what we were talking about earlier. Like majority of the time. Now, do I think there are some people who are brave and and lucky enough to get physical proof of true violence? Yes. But most don't. Right. People who are getting abused, no matter if it's physical, emotional, whatever, they're usually not going to be thinking, okay, let me record this. No. But if they're done and they're brave enough and they got like the time to do it in in that moment, I love that for them. Right. But like it's usually the people that are antagonizing the other one. They're like, hold up. Yeah. Let me video. Let me whip my phone out and video. Since I've set the scene for this entire fight, let me go ahead and just narrate it a little bit better.

SPEAKER_03 40:01

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 40:02

And so he also had a video of her looking crazy and used that. And I think that's been kind of toward the end before their true divorce. Novel.

SPEAKER_02 40:14

Yeah, I think too, I was more pissed off about the Pilates comment he made. Oh, that she needed Pilates every day? Uh-huh. I can't. And honestly, the audacity looking like a whole thumb.

SPEAKER_01 40:27

What is that character that everybody keeps doing those memes of with that hair? It looks like a beaver or something. I can't for the life of me remember what movie that came from, but when I tell you It's him. A porcupine beaver, I don't even know what it is, but yeah, that's him, honey. It's him with his hair. Yeah, I going back to Whitney too, I loved how she basically read Jen her rights and told her all about herself. I love that. I think Jen just needs to go on somewhere and go figure out like her and her husband's own issues because they got them and stopped pretending like she's related to Ben Affleck. That part.

SPEAKER_02 41:09

I just um we do have in our notes right here um you were pretty upset that Jen sent her husband to meet Whitney. I think that's so stupid.

SPEAKER_01 41:20

That is That's being a coward.

SPEAKER_02 41:23

And she's trying to be intimidating at the same time.

SPEAKER_01 41:25

Number one, that's not a man's place.

SPEAKER_02 41:27

But number two, that's not even a spouse's place. And he was being hateful. And he was basically like, you don't deserve to be there. You don't deserve to win. She did. Yeah, he's like, no. Like he basically was like, You're not a good person. Did she deserve to win?

SPEAKER_01 41:39

No, because my sweet angel Erwin had to win.

SPEAKER_02 41:43

Who won?

SPEAKER_01 41:45

He did.

SPEAKER_02 41:45

He did. Good.

SPEAKER_01 41:47

Um but no, she was great. Like she deserved to be in the top two. Like, she was amazing. I loved her on there. She did so good. Yeah, I couldn't stand that. I I just it wasn't his place. That's nobody else's place. I mean, if we were having a man show, then Connor could have gone and read him his rights too. I mean.

SPEAKER_02 42:12

Oh. I think I do. That all the men on there pissed me off except for a couple of them. Yeah, I I like Chase. Well, at the end of um our note, I think this would be funny to end this on. You have um fuck Mary Kill dad talk version. So Yeah, but we can't call it that last one. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:36

I'll clip that. Um okay, so do we have any more thoughts on anything else when we fall down? I think we got it all out. I think so too. I think everybody knows where we stand on all the things. Oh, let me add this because I know you haven't watched this. Add it. Unwell. Have you heard about it? I have watched it. You watched it. Every episode. Did you see Dakota drink? I did. I did. He hope that made the recovery.

SPEAKER_02 43:05

He is trying to feel like. Um do you know the conversation that got me the most like fired up was him and Gleb.

SPEAKER_01 43:14

See now I haven't finished watching because I didn't even know if you were gonna watch, but I wanted to see the proof of him drinking. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:21

He did.

SPEAKER_01 43:21

I watched the whole first episode and then I can't remember. I can't remember how far I was into the second one.

SPEAKER_02 43:26

Well, you know, I love a lot of them. But like Huda pisses me off.

SPEAKER_01 43:29

Well, I don't know none of them.

SPEAKER_02 43:30

Okay, so Huda right now, the man she's with, he literally just had her arrested because she flew to where he was. He was ignoring her to his baby mama's house. Oh, was blowing his phone up. I know how to you forget I know which window's hers. I'm inside the building, sending pictures inside the girl's building, started knocking door to door to door to door to door. Baby. Oh, so she's lunatic. Uh huh. I also like she was on Love Island. I loved her, I hated her, I loved her, I hated her, I hated her, I hated her, I hated her. I I mean, I don't know. She's funny on that show, but she kikis too much with Dakota on that. I don't like it. She'd be kikiing with him.

SPEAKER_01 44:12

I feel like everybody kikied a little too much.

SPEAKER_02 44:14

She does ask him about rehab. She says, So you been to rehab? He was like, Yeah, I have. And then she busted out laughing. She's like, I didn't know that. He's like, I've actually been twice.

SPEAKER_01 44:22

Yeah, well, nobody really knows that since you've been drinking on the show the whole time, buddy.

SPEAKER_02 44:26

Yeah, him and Gleb. He was basically talking about Taylor. You'll see it. And then Gleb was talking about his situation with Brooke Nader. But what's so funny is I know that's a one-off show on Hulu. I can't even remember what it's called. Love Thy Nader. The first like one or two episodes, he leaves his phone at her house and she locks herself in the bathroom. Her whole family's there, her parents or sisters. They're like, go like, I don't remember who said go through it, but she did find out he not only was cheating on her, but was having like group sessions, if you will, and talking about it with his friends. Like they had a whole group chat where they would just set up a big So those two can be really good for people.

SPEAKER_01 45:07

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 45:08

Yeah, yeah. And he was like he was telling Dakota, you want to know the real story? I'm like, oh, spare me. Literally. Spare me. Please.

SPEAKER_01 45:18

But I just thought that was very telling that he was on there drinking.

SPEAKER_02 45:20

I'm like, oh, he's literally on there like nothing. Like happy, laughing. Oh yeah. Uh-huh. Oh yeah. Kikian. Demi's on there too.

SPEAKER_01 45:34

I saw that.

SPEAKER_02 45:35

She don't really, she's not really on there much.

SPEAKER_01 45:38

Well. Yeah, let's uh we got that part out. Let's end it funny. Let's do a little FMK. Yeah, FMK. A little F Mary K. Yeah, you will. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I'm gonna do this to you first because how are you supposed to pick? I don't know. I already know who you're gonna F. No, hold on. So you, ma'am. FMK, Jordan, Dakota. Brett. It is. That's horrible. Impossible. Impossible.

SPEAKER_02 46:26

Impossible. You gotta marry one of them?

SPEAKER_01 46:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:29

I guess I'm gonna have to marry Brett. Because Demi just acts however the hell she wants to act, and he just goes along with it.

SPEAKER_01 46:35

Well, you know what? That's a good point. That's a good that was a good choice. Now, who you gonna ask?

SPEAKER_02 46:42

I have to. I have to. Um, well, I can't. That's the thing. I don't wanna marry either one of them. But the bad thing is, if I had to, if I had to marry one of them, it would be Dakota over Jor over Jordan. I cannot be without Pip Squeak. So you're gonna I'm I guess I will, but I can I be real, real, real drunk and use lots of lots of rubbers. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 47:09

Ew, uh. So you're you're marrying Brett. Yeah. You're F and Jordan.

SPEAKER_02 47:17

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I got it backwards. I'm marrying Brett. Yeah, that's what I meant. I'm gonna have to kill Dakota. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:24

We can't say that word.

SPEAKER_02 47:26

Dang it! Why do I do this?

SPEAKER_01 47:31

I'll blip over it.

SPEAKER_02 47:33

Okay, okay. No, no, no, no. No. I've done confused myself. I guess I'm gonna have to marry Brett. Uh-huh. F Dakota says to kill Jordan. That makes me want to throw up saying it.

SPEAKER_01 47:46

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 47:48

I done switched it up. I done switched it up. But I'd rather, if I got the opportunity to I done said it again. If I got the opportunity to K Jordan, that's what it would be.

SPEAKER_01 48:01

I don't even know. I don't I don't have an opinion on that one, I guess. I guess of all of them, I guess I'll just F Dakota, because apparently it must be something because everybody has to do it at least once or twice.

SPEAKER_02 48:15

What about let me give you good ones? What about F and K Chase Mason and Macy's husband? Okay. Those are good ones.

SPEAKER_01 48:33

Those are good ones. I think I'm gonna have to marry. Remember, Mason don't wanna be a daddy, so right. I'm gonna have to marry Jacob. Okay. Because he's a good May. He's a good husband. I'm gonna have to F Chase. And I guess you're killed, I said. Okay. God. That's fine. You're just gonna have to use a whole lot of levers. I'm gonna have to KO Mason. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 49:01

That's a good, that's a good one.

unknown 49:03

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 49:04

So who was your favorite this season? Miranda. Same. Miranda. For sure. I honestly wish they would be like, all right, Bachelor Nation. We're really sorry about that. We're gonna let Miranda be the bachelor now. Bachelorette.

SPEAKER_01 49:18

And you know, going back to that too, I'm just still mad that like, number one, ABC knew.

SPEAKER_02 49:24

They knew. You know they knew.

SPEAKER_01 49:25

Hulu knew. Disney knew, because Disney Hulu. Like, so y'all all knew that this happened.

SPEAKER_02 49:31

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 49:33

So if you were worried because it was gonna come out, okay, why y'all have lawyers for that. So why didn't y'all lawyers figure out if there was a tape to be?

SPEAKER_02 49:42

Yeah, because the the news is that she did get engaged. I think the guy's name was Doug, maybe. Yeah, Doug. That's what they say. But she got engaged and everything. But the way that I've kind of seen it, like what I've read, kind of seems like she got engaged. They both went back to Utah. She Molly Wapped Dakota.

SPEAKER_01 50:04

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 50:05

He went back home. Doug left.

SPEAKER_01 50:08

So who do we think was the guy in that TikTok she did?

SPEAKER_02 50:14

Did well whoever it is, uh I don't know. That wasn't the guitar. That was that was her rage baiting us before the bachelorette. She was with that guy with the guitar.

SPEAKER_01 50:25

Do we think it was Doug?

SPEAKER_02 50:26

I feel like it was Doug. Because that was in her house, wasn't it? Yeah. I think it was Doug.

SPEAKER_01 50:31

I think it was Doug.

SPEAKER_02 50:32

Better not be no damn Dakota. I swear to God. Oh, it wasn't.

SPEAKER_01 50:35

Whoever it was was way too much.

SPEAKER_02 50:38

And honestly, Shania, if you're listening to this, screw you, girl. Because that was her whole, she was shisty. She's shisty. She was. She's shisty. Poo shisty. And you're literally texting Taylor for advice about your breakup. She's being there for you. Meanwhile, literally you're talking to her baby daddy.

SPEAKER_01 51:00

Well, I knew everything I needed to know about her. I already knew that this happened. We already both knew this happened before the season came out. But I knew everything that I needed to know about her because whenever Taylor asked her how she was, and where boyfriend, whatever that situation, oh, he went back to his wife. Oh, okay. Did he? Oh, so you were with a married man. Separated or not, you're with a married man. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 51:27

Yeah, she's shysy. I don't like her. Miranda, but we love you and you need better friends. Uh-huh. Agreed.

SPEAKER_01 51:35

And I just hope. God, I hope Jesse heals. I hope Taylor heals. I hope Layla isn't taking those epic anymore. I know, Jesus, my nerves are shot.

SPEAKER_02 51:43

She can't.

SPEAKER_01 51:43

I hope Miranda gets all of her itchiness and everything down from fixed from her because gosh, it makes me just feel so bad for her.

SPEAKER_02 51:53

We do, we do love our Mormons.

SPEAKER_01 51:55

We do.

SPEAKER_02 51:56

It's very entertaining. Um, so another thing y'all can watch, um, I'm telling Ashton a watch it right now, but it's a hard watch. Um, it's uh the false prophet.

SPEAKER_01 52:07

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:08

On Netflix. I can't remember what the beginning's called. Um You'll see it.

SPEAKER_01 52:13

It's literally in like the top ten right now, going on or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 52:17

Yeah, and it's it's basically about this man that um like starts his own kind of like I mean it's I can't remember what the word is.

SPEAKER_01 52:27

It's like the LDS religion that Warren Jeffs kind of started. And once he went to prison, this man tried to like take over basically so that he could be the prophet.

SPEAKER_02 52:38

Uh-huh. And was saying that Warren Jeffs was telling him to do these things. He got these three men to kind of buy into his bullshit.

SPEAKER_01 52:46

And financially back him, basically.

SPEAKER_02 52:48

And they gave him all their wives and children.

SPEAKER_01 52:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:52

So, and then they're like the whole documentary is this angel lady. Oh, she's so infiltrated. And basically is the whole reason that the FBI got all the evidence they got to put him in prison. And it's so freaking sad and scary that these women live these lives because they've been told their whole life that's what they're supposed to do.

unknown 53:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:19

It's the same thing with Jesse and Taylor and them just getting pregnant. Oh, gotta marry him. Yeah, it's like gotta stay with my husband, gotta stay in this abuse, gotta can't get divorced.

SPEAKER_01 53:29

Right. It's a whole different level because it's not as bad as the other. Yeah. Like they might not be walking around in those dresses with their hair braided the way they're supposed to, but it's just a different level of It's the same core. No, the man is who you submit to. You have to stay with him. You have to keep a family together. If you have a child, you have to keep a family together. You can't get divorced.

SPEAKER_02 53:52

That's why all these men have such an issue with their wives being the breadwinners to begin with. Correct.

unknown 53:56

Correct.

SPEAKER_02 53:57

They're supposed to be the head of the household and the buttons it's just wild.

SPEAKER_01 54:04

I mean, I knew you know, I've watched like Escaping Polygamy, same all that, but just the fact that these women thought that they were lost in life because the prophet was not there to connect them to God.

SPEAKER_02 54:23

Yeah. Yeah. Like the fact And how they acted when he got out of prison and they were all in that hotel room waiting on him. I'm talking about 20 people, right? And they're literally like worshiping him the way I'm gonna worship Jesus when I get to heaven. Like touching the please let me touch the garment of your clothes. Like that is how they treated that man. Because he honestly made them think that that's how they needed to treat him.

SPEAKER_01 54:48

Yep. I just can't believe that anybody could ever teach because that came from a parent. Like parents teach their kids this and then the kids do it, and those kids have kids, and I just can't fathom thinking to myself this man on earth is who uh talks to God for me.

SPEAKER_02 55:10

Yeah. I will say I was very proud to see that every single adult in that situation, besides one, is in prison for life, basically. The only one that's not is the only one mama who when it started happening to the under 18-year-olds, I'm talking 13 years old, she was like, oh no, no, no, like this is not what God would want. This is not, this is not right. Right. And basically, she got ousted from them and worked with the FBI, and she's the only one that did not go to prison. That was an adult.

SPEAKER_03 55:52

Right.

SPEAKER_02 55:52

But as a mother, I'm just like, how can you I'm sorry, I don't care if a man's telling me that you're not touching my kid.

SPEAKER_01 56:00

Nope.

SPEAKER_02 56:01

Crazy.

SPEAKER_01 56:03

It's just baffling. But yeah, I th I I think I'm on like episode three or so.

SPEAKER_02 56:06

Okay. But it's really freaking out.

SPEAKER_01 56:08

That one's really interesting. It's really hard watch, but it's it's good. And it's interesting to see just how much freaking proof and evidence they have to have to be able to do anything. So much.

SPEAKER_02 56:19

So much. Like it basically had to go on forever and keep happening before they could even do anything. Yeah, and for that And wasn't it like the only reason the FBI really did it when they did it is because he got pulled over by he got pulled over. You don't know that yet, maybe.

SPEAKER_01 56:38

That's fine, you can tell me.

SPEAKER_02 56:39

He gets pulled over because he's got some of them in a trailer behind his truck and the door wasn't latched. So one of the girls is holding the door closed, and somebody calls in that they see fingers coming out of the back of that trailer. That's the only reason he got caught. So when they call the wife that was snitching and say, Hey, um, are you aware that all your underage kids are with this man? She had to play along and be like, Yes, I am, yes, I am. He can have them. Then hangs up the phone, calls the FBI and is like, call this man right now. That's a cop in our county, and tell him he has he has all the girls, he has this and that. So that's when the FBI was like, okay, we gotta go now because they're gonna ruin everything if we don't do it. But they were gonna even let it go on even longer. He only got caught when he did because he got pulled over. They were gonna have to let it go longer. And I'm like, uh, that's what my skin was crawling. Like, I just you mean to tell me I gotta leave them here in this for another year and just let you build your investigation and let it keep happening? I but they had all they had was like words. Literally, they had no proof, and the little girls were so brainwashed, they would never go against him because they would think they would go to hell.

SPEAKER_01 58:04

Um, what was the name of the actual woman doing all this? Do you remember? No, but I loved her little blonde headed self. Um, I just can't fathom sitting in there and listening to him talk about all the things that he would talk about and just pretending like you had to agree with him.

SPEAKER_02 58:17

Yeah, because it uh um you probably have already seen this part. There's one part where like it's one of the only times that she felt like, okay, I'm gonna say something.

SPEAKER_01 58:27

When she said y'all need to read this book.

SPEAKER_02 58:29

Yeah, was it when yeah, when she was like, it's about like when you say no, that means no.

SPEAKER_01 58:35

Yeah, how to protect yourself from prediction.

SPEAKER_02 58:37

Yeah, and like she was saying all that, and then he even tried to be like, Yes, that's right, da-da-da-da-da. But I know in my, I knew like he knows what she's trying to do right now.

SPEAKER_01 58:48

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 58:50

And basically the other mama, like, she was so scared to even talk to her, she would just come to her house and do chores and clean up and do stuff in the yard, and she thought, that's weird, like, why does she keep coming over here? She has to want to tell me something. So eventually she started telling her stuff. But like, even then, like she had to go over there god knows how many times before she could even work up the courage to speak against him.

SPEAKER_01 59:13

Right. And she wasn't she wasn't married to him, just her family was married.

SPEAKER_02 59:20

Like No, I they all got married to him.

SPEAKER_01 59:22

She wasn't though. She was She didn't? Mm-mm.

SPEAKER_02 59:25

She was married to that Moroni or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 59:27

Yeah, one of his followers. So one of the people that financially basically backed him. So, um But I Yeah, she was still with him at the end, and then I just can't remember if it was her daughters that were married to him or her nieces. There were people in her family that were married to to him. What was that guy's name?

SPEAKER_02 59:49

I don't even remember. I hated him. And I don't remember me too.

SPEAKER_01 59:52

Whoever his name was. I just can't remember what parts of her family, but I remember she had to go over there a lot because remember, at one point he separated the households. Because they were all together at one point, and then he separated the households. And that's she said, whenever he started doing certain things with the underage.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:11

That's when things shifted because they were in this huge house.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:14

He literally would say, I had an impression from God that he wants this man to sleep with this little girl, this man to sleep with this little girl, this man to sleep with this little girl, and he wants me to watch. He said that God told him that.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:28

Could you imagine also those kids had to watch their parents? Like their mom with someone, or their dad with an underage girl, or like all this stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:43

And then that little baby when they said something to her about it, and she said it hurt. Yeah, she said it it hurt. I'm thinking, oh my God. Yeah, because and one of the men, I don't know which one, but one of the men was Warren Jeff's nephew because they show his mom a lot. Yeah, they show his mom a his aunt a lot, which is Warren Jeff's wife. They show one of his wives, she does interviews, and she keeps saying, My nephew, my nephew, my nephew. Because at first he just kept saying, Uncle Warren, Uncle. I'm like, there is no way. But you gotta think, how many wives did that man have? How many kids did that man have? How many, I mean, there's no telling how many relatives truly he has. And I think too, they try to like make their followers think if you have a baby with me, it is the purest bloodline of righteousness. Yep. It's disgusting.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:40

It is disgusting. I just every single time they showed like a video or a picture of those girls like sitting in one of those trailers. Yeah, my skin just lit on fire and wanted to come off my body.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:54

Yeah, it was pitiful. And like, which Jordan kept noticing, and I I wouldn't notice, but like, have you gotten to the part I know you have where he takes pictures with all his wives? They like set up like an altar, right? Um, Jordan noticed that the one girl that had the most resistance, that's like literally the whole documentary, she is on his side. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:17

I know you're talking about really beautiful big eyes.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:19

Yes, I was about to say something about her eyes. You can literally watch it from the beginning when that woman first comes around and slowly, slowly, slowly see it in her eyes. And almost it was probably a front the whole time because, like at first, she was like real bubbly, laughy, happy. Then it would be like she was, but when the camera, she didn't think the camera was on her, you could see her go hollow and like zone out. And then when she'd noticed the woman looking at her, she'd perk back up. And it the more it went on, the smile was gone. Like it, she literally you could see it in her eyes. Like she was not there anymore. She was hollow, she had completely given in, took she had resistance was gone. It was really sad to watch.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:08

It's just sad that that goes on in America.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:11

I know, but I am so glad that like they're actually like this happens. So I want people to know. This is literally what's really happening to people.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:21

Yep. It's disgusting. So disgusting. But I gotta finish it.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:30

Yeah, it's really good. Y'all should watch that too.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:34

That's been a really deep episode.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:35

So I know. We we really wanted to spill our guts about that.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:40

We did.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:41

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SPEAKER_01 1:03:45

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