Fill Me In: An Aesthetics Podcast
On Fill Me In: An Aesthetics Podcast, Jon LeSuer NP-C and Nicole Bauer FNP-BC dive deep in the world of aesthetics. As aesthetic nurse practitioners with their own medical practices, Jon and Nicole fill you in on everything in their field.
Fill Me In: An Aesthetics Podcast
Empathy in Aesthetic Medicine with Megan Ucich, FNP-C | Episode 39
In this episode of 'Fill Me In: An Aesthetics Podcast', Jon and Nicole are joined by special guest, Megan Ucich from San Diego. Megan shares her extensive experience in the aesthetics industry, having transitioned from pediatric ICU and recovery room nursing to owning her own Med Spa. They explore the challenges and triumphs of their daily operations, patient interactions, and the evolving landscape of aesthetic treatments. From the importance of empathy in patient care to the latest in regenerative aesthetics, this episode is jam-packed with insights for seasoned professionals and new injectors alike.
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Welcome back to another episode of the Fill Me in Pod. I'm injector John.
I'm aesthetic nurse Nicole,
and we have a lovely guest all the way from San Diego. Megan Uch. Hello,
hello. Hello. Thanks for for having me. Oh my God, thanks so much for coming on.
Thanks for coming on. Three hour difference. Absolutely.
Who knew? I like forgot you were all the way on the West Coast.
I'm staring at blue skies right now. Yeah, you can. Ours are black coming up.
Literally pitch black over here. Oh, for the record, it's 8:00 PM Eastern Time. Yes. 5:00 PM Western Time. Yeah. I love it. Oh my gosh. Yeah. I I literally, before you came on Cole shoulder her, I was like, I have a glass of wine.
Here I am. It is 8:00 PM
It's barely happy hour there. Day. Oh, literally just, just
turned five, so,
yeah. Yep. Were you in the office
today? Today is my admin day, so I'm in the office. Um, but today's my day to do back office work. Nice. So nice. Yeah.
I love it. Oh my gosh. Yeah. But you
are back
to back today, Nicole.
Oh my gosh, yes. For anybody listening, I was just a half hour late, so I apologize to you both. Test,
test. My gosh.
I was saying, so I've shortened my hours now that I'm back on, back from maternity leave and, um, so everyone's booking for like, you know, 15 minute Botox slots. Mm-hmm. But then mm-hmm. They're not doing these Botox so insane.
It spirals, you know, the day kind of gets, uh, isn't it funny
when patients do that, they like know the workaround on your booking website? Hundred percent. I see there's only a 15 minute slot, but like, I'm gonna book this Botox even though I want like filler and like also a laser if you have time.
Oh my god.
Everything. We all have those patients that book a 5 45, like a last, that last appointment of the day. But they know, they're like, I'm gonna get 'em to do a facial balancing or like a little skin beam or something. I'm gonna
throw it in there. No, and this, a couple of them warned me today and I was like, listen, if as long as you're not in a rush, I can make it happen, but Oh
yeah.
A hundred percent. Yep. Okay, Meg, so you, okay, let's, let's go dive back here. So I just met Nicole Meg, um, back in Orange County when we went mm-hmm. To the, a HCP C community visit, right? Yes. Like at AbbVie, at the headquarters. Mm-hmm. And there was what, 22, 23 of us? Yeah. Meg. Yeah. So met her there. And you own a, uh, aesthetic practice called Radiance Wellness.
Yep. Right. And you're an Allergan National trainer and speaker. And what is your Instagram for anybody listening that so they can follow you?
Yeah, so the skin practitioner.
Beautiful. Um,
and our practices radiance. Well,
amazing. How long have you been Yeah, uh, injecting for.
I've been injecting for eight years.
Um, so I started like so many others of us, like bedside nurse. I did peds ICU for a long time, moved into recovery room and then started dabbling in aesthetics on the side. And I was like, oh, this is. This is my jam.
Yeah. What am I
doing in the hospital? Right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I remember talking to the anesthesiologist at work and he is like, I think you're gonna be bored if you go full time.
And I was like, man, I don't think you know what you're talking about. This is so fun. There's so much to learn. Yeah. Um, I've never
been bored. Mm-hmm. So, um, no, I love that because when I left hospital nursing, I got like the same things like, oh, like, don't lose your skills. Mm-hmm. You know, you're, you're probably gonna like be upset that you left.
Um, it's the total opposite, like, I feel like I have Right. Just so many more skills and I'm so happy that I left, you know? Mm-hmm. Agreed. Agreed.
Why? Why do you love aesthetics so much? Like what drew you to aesthetics?
Oh, man. I mean, you know, I think like so many of us, I dealt with skin issues, you know, growing up.
I feel like I hear that so much from injectors. I had acne, so did I. Mm-hmm. Um, but really, if we go deep, like. I love to help people love themselves. Mm-hmm. And I think that comes from a place of like our own insecurity growing up and like a void that wasn't filled for you personally. And so to give that to people, to help them feel good about themselves, I just love being able to do that.
Um, I don't know. It feels, I feel really honored that people come in. I love that. Like in their most vulnerable space. Mm-hmm. And they're willing to pay us mm-hmm. To be vulnerable, right? Yeah. Like, it's just, I don't take that for granted. Mm-hmm. For, you know, for a second. Um, and I love that I had a patient reach out to me today.
Like, she sent me a picture of her at her wedding this weekend and she was like, I can't tell you, like I, when I looked at the picture, the first thing I looked at was my under eyes. 'cause that's always been my biggest insecurity. Mm-hmm. And I, like, I looked at myself and I thought it was so beautiful and they're like, made me cry.
Like, that's what it's all about. About. Mm-hmm. Um,
yeah. Well, the fact that you said that you're a peds nurse also tells me Yes. Yeah.
Right.
A lot about you because Yes. No, seriously, because you are, like we talked about before, like even starting this, like you're an empath. Like Yeah. I think, I think a lot of us that, I think a huge power is empathy is in this field.
Totally. Especially
in this field. Yes. Mm-hmm. Right. Totally.
Truthfully, and if you can connect with the patient right there. You sold it. Hundred percent. And yeah, it's as simple as that.
Megan said it perfectly, like they're coming in so vulnerable. Mm-hmm. You know, and like I feel like some injectors forget that, and that's why sometimes you can come off it a little too abrasive.
Yes. Like it's a very vulnerable seat to be in when you're in one of our chairs, you know? That's why
we have to be so grateful that they're there. Like, I always say that. I'm like, I'm grateful that you're here. I'm, mm-hmm. I always tell them, you don't, you don't need this, need this, you want this. Right.
Right. Mm-hmm. Like this isn't a need. It's a want. Yep. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Yeah. I think like, you know, especially with AI and just like where we're going to, that human connection
Oh yeah.
Is going to be more and more important. And so to be able to do that just is gonna set you apart so much from just, you know, actually I saw else.
I saw a post recently and, um, I shared it. It was like, you know, looking at your competitors, don't try to match them. You should be looking and seeing what they're all missing, you know? Mm-hmm. And trying to fill that. And I feel like a lot of things in places we see now are, are no longer that like mom and pop, it's just Right.
You know, a lot of chain med spas and where they may not have that empathy or, you know, right. Mm-hmm. Gratitude for the patients coming in. So I feel like. For us focusing on that, it, it really sets you apart.
It does. Totally.
Mm-hmm.
Totally.
Yeah. A hundred
percent. Yeah. So how many providers do you have in your practice?
There's four of us injecting, I have two PAs, myself. Mm-hmm. An mp and then, um, a nurse, and then we have one esthetician.
Wow. That's amazing. Yeah.
Yeah. How, what,
what is the vibe like in San Diego? Like, is it just like, fun? Like, like what? I mean, what do you get for patients? Are they sitting there like, shoot me up?
Like, what are, or like, you know, is it more like, you know what I mean? Like what is it conservative?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um. It's a little more conservative.
Yeah.
It's, it's definitely like a very health forward place. Mm-hmm. Um, not a lot of makeup, you know, it's not like Boston or New York City where we all get dolled up, dressed for the nines to go out.
Like, people are pretty chill. You wanna go out on your flip flops and, and relax. So, um, you know, people, people I think come in nervous mm-hmm. For the first time. Like, I wanna, I don't wanna look. Unlike myself, I want it to be natural. We hear that so much. Um, but then people are ready to throw down, like once they know, they're like, oh, yeah, right.
This, I wanna do this. Yeah. Right. Yeah. A
hundred percent. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like the fear of not looking like yourself is always mm-hmm. Of the main concern. That's the number one reason. And I feel like totally now more than ever because of social media and I think certain people just educating on, on socials, people are just like scared to get filler.
I know. You know? And this whole trend of dissolving your filler and doing all of that. And I mean, honestly, in my opinion, I don't know what you guys think, these people that are actually getting dissolved, they need to be dissolved. Yes, yes. Yeah. Like, and it's a lot of these celebrities, I'm like, whoa, girl.
Yes. Finally, yes. It's time you did it, you know? Yes. And they look so refreshed. And I'm all about like Tate McCray. I just saw her in concert recently. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Oh my, oh my God. I saw that. I watched
it back a couple times. I was like, her stage presence isn't, oh yeah. She's incredible. She's
incredible.
She's also, I get that she's like 22 and she's the Fountain of youth. But when I look at her like, yes, like she's kind of like. The Britney Spear sex icon? Yes. Yes. But like also pop star. Mm-hmm. And like sometimes seeing what these girls are wearing at this concert, I'm like, if my daughter wore this, I would DI die.
But, and then I'm seeing her on the red carpet and she's got her natural hair. Mm-hmm. It is not like overdone, she's not wearing a lot of makeup. Mm-hmm. She looks so natural and I'm, I actually told my husband this on the way home yesterday. I'm like, I really am glad that these girls have her to look up to because Yes.
They, the way that she looks is so natural. Yeah. And that's the whole point. Like I'm sure that she's gonna get work done eventually as she gets older. Yeah. But I guarantee you she's gonna keep it to herself.
I think she's very, um, body positive too. Right. She is very like, she very love that. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Which is, I love that is so important nowadays. Oh my God, I love it.
Yeah. She's naturally just like she has a little fat in her, but it's cur it's not, she's not tooth things. Yes. It's like curvy. Yes. Yes. Like she's thin, but she's not like stick thin. How do I say that? Yeah, she's important. Yeah.
Yeah.
I love that.
No, you, that was perfect. And just like sh like show your imperfections.
Oh my God. We love those, right? We love it. Yeah.
Yeah. Everyone wants to relate to somebody. Yep. Yes. Exactly. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Do you, uh, do you have wellness in
your spot? Okay, so funny. You think we would, our name is wellness, right?
Um, not yet. Okay. But that's sticking around for a reason. Yes, because I'm super interested mm-hmm. In. Antiaging in all of the ways. Um, and so now that I've hired more providers, I built more time to kind of work on, on back office. Mm-hmm. That's next to come coming up with I love that. Yeah. But I know you do, right?
Have wellness. Yes. So we have, um,
A-A-D-N-P. She, she runs the whole program because it is, it's so true. I feel like. We're just so busy with injectables that there's no way that you can put your full focus and
Oh, yeah. Yeah. When
LPs and all that were first coming out, patients would ask and I'd be like, listen, there's, I can't ethically do it, you know?
Mm-hmm. Like, I don't have the time to do it the right way, and so we brought on somebody to do it. So, totally. Yeah. How about you, John? Do you do it?
I, so I, at our office, we do GLP ones. Okay. That's about it. Okay. We want to get into, and we're like, I have all the protocols in place. I have the, um, oh my God, why am I blanking?
I have everything in place. The consent forms, everything in. Yes, yes. All of that for NAD and things like that. Mm-hmm. Because I wanna start doing NAD. Mm-hmm. But I just haven't implemented it yet. I actually have two patients on it right now, just to see how they do on their doses and stuff, so I can kind of practice, you know, with them.
Yeah. And of course they're like family. They're like, yeah, one's my best friend, one's a family member. Um, so I'm gonna see how that goes and then we'll probably implement it. 'cause like you said, Nicole, I, anything that we do, it's great. I just wanna make sure it's a hundred percent Exactly.
Done the right way.
Don't
wanna just jump on a trend of like doing this. Totally. Because it's just, I think, I think there's just so much more to these drugs.
Yeah. Yeah. You have to be monitored and you have to be doing it the right way. Yep. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. Yeah. And we can't be
seeing 20 patients for injectables and doing this on the side.
I just, and
speaking over to doing NAD and being like, okay, hopefully good.
And how and how many of our OG patients would tell us like, oh, here my Botox, but can I pick up my NDD shots or can I do this? I'm like, girl.
Yeah.
I love you. I can't do all of it. I can't do all of it. And like I, oh my God.
I know.
That's so true. So if we could have four
right? If the three of us could have another person. Mm-hmm. Just like us. Oh my God, it'd be great. I mean, my God,
I started a fellowship with a four M. They do like longevity medicine. Sure. Okay. And I started it last year and then I was like, what am I doing? Like, hire someone else that can do this.
Yes, yes. Just hire someone else that already knows what they're doing. Yep. So,
yeah. 'cause it is, it's, that's what I say, it's like another language to me, you know? Totally. Because it is, it's, it's, we know the injectable side and all of that. And, uh, leave that. Does it intrigue me? Yes. Absolutely. So interesting.
I, I just, I can't, I can't take it on. Yeah. I can't, I can't read your
lab work and tell you what your hormones are doing. No, I just can't.
Yeah,
yeah. Yeah.
Have you guys dabbled with any of the other peptides? So out of GLP is like, so I, I'm doing cjc. Mm-hmm.
You have? Okay. Mm-hmm. Uh, my husband's actually on some morelin right now.
This is second time taking it. He did it. Um. Before, well, actually while I was pregnant and he gained, he gained weight and he blamed the, some morelin and I blamed the fact that I was pregnant and snacking. So we're doing it again, but, you know, it's supposed to, it's, it's supposed to help build muscle and all of those things.
Yeah. So, uh, we're, we're testing that out right now with him. And, um, we've done a few NAD at the office and stuff too. Uh, but so far the Sam Moreland's like the only one that I've really had like contact with. Okay. Mm-hmm. Nice. Nice. I don't know enough about
it. I feel like the other one is BP 1 57. That's what people are on.
Yeah. Like what I've been
hearing about. Yeah.
It's huge. Yeah. Like my husband was saying, oh my, my, my good friend's on. I'm like, oh, cool. Like I, mm-hmm. I don't have no idea what it does. I, yeah. Yeah. Couldn't tell you. I
think they're all essentially, like a lot of them are like that growth hormone, like they're supposed to help you.
You know?
Yeah. BPC is like a potent anti-inflammatory. Mm-hmm. So it's really good also if you have like soft tissue damage or for athletes. Oh yes. And I did hear that like pain, right? Yeah. Yes. For pain. Yep.
Mm-hmm.
Um, I'm trying, right now I'm on like week five of CJC with IPO rein, so that's, um, simulates growth hormone.
Mm-hmm. I have put on more muscle. Than ever in my life. That's amazing. I'm so happy Pri that's great. Yeah, it's incredible. It's gonna be cool. I actually
do
that. Yeah, it's a good one. Yeah, it's a good one.
So Meg, I wanna hear your perspective on this. Okay. I think that social media has been a huge platform for people, um, both good and, and and bad are, you know, yeah.
It obviously freedom of expression, right? We can totally, we should be free to post what we wanna post, but there's been a lot of controversy lately on social media. Yeah. And I just wanna know your, your input, like just on social media and aesthetics. Like, what do you think,
man? Like, what a complicated place we're in, right?
Yes. Okay. So like, okay, the three of us we're all nps, right? Mm-hmm. Nicole, do you have your doctorate? You're a DNP? No. Uh, no. My, my wellness provider's A DNP. Oh, Megan does? Yes. Yes. Between the three of us, like the amount of education that we have. Mm-hmm. So we have provide, or we have clients that are like, okay, you need to be the most educated.
I wanna know that your skillset is good, and then also show me your social media, because like that's really what's gonna drive me to your clinic. Like. I don't know. When I dropped my 4-year-old off at school today, I, I didn't ask her teacher to show me her social media curriculum. Like, I don't know, can I, can I trust you with my daughter?
Like mm-hmm. I don't know. We're just, we're put in such a tricky spot because consumers go to social media for education. Mm-hmm. And like, I don't know, we wanna be really good as injectors. Mm-hmm. And now we have this duty to educate consumers on social media platforms and it gets messy. Absolutely. Um, and for so long I was like, I'm not doing it.
I'm not doing it. And then I'm like, okay, now I'm like the 80-year-old that like doesn't have a cell phone.
Yeah. Right.
Like, call me on my landline and leave me like a long. Voicemail there, so I was like, fine, I'll do it. Yeah. Yeah. And I hired a social media team, but it's a struggle. Mm-hmm. What I struggle most with is like, how can I be the most authentic when I'm on social media?
Mm-hmm. Like, how can I stay true to me? Obviously, like I know there's a business aspect to it. Um. It's hard. Yeah. And you know, obviously I've been watching all the drama mm-hmm. Unfold, right. All the drama unfold and like, yeah. There's no other profession I feel like that does this mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Where they like beat each other up over ideas.
We should not use Instagram as a public forum because, to, to discuss like these new treatments or just whatever. Mm-hmm. Because it's really, yeah. You know, it's just not good for patients are gonna see it, not just us. For patients. We should have our own platform where we could talk about this and discuss it.
Yes.
Right. Totally. I totally agree. And then it becomes that click bait. Yes. And then it's like the social media tsunami starts. Mm-hmm. And it's so hard to get out of it. Yeah.
Yeah, I agree. And I honestly would be so down to if, whether it's the three of us just to start a group and we could be like, let's just start inviting people to join it.
And it could be like a group of just like whoever wants to be a part of it. Yes. Yep. Yes. And we can kind of like a Facebook for injectors. Yes, yes. And we can just. Yeah. Wouldn't that be fun?
That
would be fun. That's a great idea, John.
Yeah. Yeah. Good. And Anna Good. Probably spark a lot of debates, but who cares?
That's what it's all about. Right, right. But that's where it
should be. It should be, should be off, away from consumers to see. Right. It should just be for professionals to have conversations. Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
I
totally agree. I think too, like a lot of, all of us in our profession, we obviously believe in what we do.
So when Yeah, of course. Yeah. When you're commenting and stuff like that, person's always gonna think they're right, but then the other person's always gonna think they're right. Huh? And it just, it continues to just snowball. Right.
Mm-hmm. I, I, the same thing has happened to filler, right? Mm-hmm.
Like
filler, got on the social media true tsunami.
Mm-hmm. And like poor filler
it all, it all started with that CT scan.
Wait, I, I was gonna say that the MRI video it
so did it. So did, yep. And it just went from there. Yeah. You're welcome. That you have filler, you're exactly,
and you're welcome that it's lasting long. Yeah.
I think that that was the hardest thing to explain to people was that's a good thing, you know?
Right.
And that that person, oh my God. Didn't go to the doctor because of the side effect, or like a Right. Something was wrong with the filler. They were just, I think they were there for another issue,
and it was just that they discovered the filler was still there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. For me, I
think I, I thought it was a great tool to tell patients.
They're like, oh, how long does this last? I'm like, actually, we're finding that fillers lasting longer in the body. Mm-hmm. Which is good. It's 15 years even. Yeah. Literally, you know? Mm-hmm. Yeah. So, and people are like, Ooh, this is a good investment. I'm like, yeah,
yeah. Mm-hmm. It's a great investment. Mm-hmm.
Yeah. Yeah. I think a lot of what I've had to do recently is like explain to people, like, just because you're doing multiple syringes does not mean you're gonna look fake. Totally. Mm-hmm. And I think having before and afters is really good for that, but they, it's so important. Let me just do one to my chin.
I'm like, you're gonna look insane. You need to do all of it together. Right. And it's just like, I feel like because of social media, we kind of have to explain that. 'cause they say, yeah, you know, they see these people looking overdone and, right. Mm-hmm. Right. Mm-hmm.
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Okay. So I was telling this to John before we started. Mm-hmm. I, your last podcast, you guys were going over how many syringes of filler you have done. Yes. I was like, oh my God, I have lost count, but like, I'm. I'm at 20 for sure. I'm at 20. Yeah. I'm like, which is incredible.
Isn't
that, isn't that shocking? Look at her. Yeah. No, you
look amazing. I literally, that's what it should be. Yes. I'm
like Nicole, I'm like hanging out with her at this, the Orange County thing. I'm like talking to her and we're like, remember we had to like, we had to like talk to each other and then rotate or whatever.
Oh God, that sounds like my
nightmare. Jesus Christ. It kind of was. Yes, and we
had to like get to know each other. It was like this whole thing. Yes. And we're sitting there and I'm looking at her and I'm like, oh, she's gotta be, because I know I'm 30, I'm turning 34. I'm like, she's looking at her. I'm like, oh, she looks like she's like 28.
She's probably been injecting for like three years. Like whatever. And then, and then by the end of it, she tells you she's 40. I'm like, oh
my God. Excuse me. Yeah, you do. You look 28. I know.
Thank you.
28. Wait, and what did you say might be the secret sauce? What did you say It
might be The sprinkle of Japanese that I have.
Oh, you know, a little Asian mixed in there. Yes. Could be the 20 syringes. A filler. Yes.
It really could. It
really could. Yeah. So anything's possible. That's so funny. That's hysterical. That's so funny. I love
it. You
know,
um, how do you, like, during a consultation, like if someone's coming in and they're scared to get filler mm-hmm.
Like, how do you approach that? Like where do you start? Mm-hmm.
Those are my favorite patients.
Me too,
right?
Mm-hmm.
I lo, I lo. Okay. My favorite patients are the ones that come in and they're like so scared to do filler or they've never done Botox before. Mm-hmm. Love them. Mm-hmm. I'm like, I love the opportunity to show you how this can be done.
Well and done right? Yep. Um. Yeah, I mean, I really see my role as an educator, like my job is to just educate you, to tell you what I know and then to let you make an informed decision.
Mm-hmm.
Um, and so that's what I do and I feel like. You don't have to sell, like the rest just works itself out. Mm-hmm.
Right. The more that I can just explain to you physiologically, like what's happening to your face mm-hmm. The, the more it makes sense to them, like, why I am prescribing what I think you need. Exactly. Right. Like that you need six syringes because it didn't just happen overnight that you aged and you have nasal labial folds.
Like I can't just fill that.
Right, right.
Um, but was really tricky about my practice, so this practice has been around a long time. And most of the patients here with our previous owner, they were used to like half syringes. Mm-hmm. Of like a Juvederm Ultra and fine lines, like tiny, little, tiny little doses.
And so it was so hard. It's taken years of me educating people like. Hey, we've gotta do some like comprehensive assessment Yeah. And, and treat you in a different way. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Um, but it's been so fun to do that and to see that mind shift for those patients. Like, oh my god, yeah. I can't believe I've never done this before.
Right. Or that I'm scared to do it.
Yep.
Yeah.
I love that too. Like how you said, it's more of like educating on the actual aging process. Because I feel like a lot of time too, like newer injectors will ask us, well, how do you, how do you sell the, like how do you sell five syringes? Like yeah, you're not selling, Nope.
You're prescribing and you're educating as to why it's necessary. And if you. Kind of view it that way to, to you as the injector too. You're like, oh, you're right. I'm not selling and I'm prescribing. You know? Right, right. I
feel like it does take a while to get there. Like I, yes,
it
does. And I think we would all agree that to that, because in the beginning, you're so focused on not shaking or mm-hmm.
You know, okay, this is what the sun, um, this is what, you know, the, the bone feels on the needle. Mm-hmm. Like, you know, where I'm trying to aspirate and the tip of the needle's like going up against the bone. You're like, oh God, I'm moving. I have to. Spray, like all of that's going through you and you're so nervous about actually injecting and not causing a huge bruise or a VO or something.
Right. That
the concept is like the least of your worries. The least of your worries.
But that's like the most important.
Right. Right. You know? 'cause
if you are educating, if you are connecting with your patient mm-hmm. You're not ever gonna come off salesy. Like, that's why, like for me, I am, we're clearly, I mean, we're in it for the right reasons, right?
Like we're not Yeah. The people that are in it for the wrong reasons, they're there to sell, they're there thinking to make money, and they see the whole money card, they're gonna fail. Mm-hmm. They're end up closing. It's not gonna work out. People like us, and like all of the other people that have thriving businesses, they're gonna thrive because they're connecting with their patients and they're there for the right reason and they wanna make them feel, it's the empathy.
Yes. They wanna make them feel confident, not only on the outside, but on the inside too.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
It's the long game, right? Mm-hmm. It's thinking about your patients wanting to percent be with them through every season. Mm-hmm. Yep. Um, for a long time. Mm-hmm. Not just trying to like sell it to them in one session and, and to never really feel like you need to sell it to them.
And I think that just comes with confidence.
Mm-hmm.
Right? Like for injectors that are like, oh, how do I do that? The more that you educate yourself, that's, that's the confidence, at least for me. Mm-hmm. Like if I feel educated, then I feel confident. To explain it to my patient and to say like, I'm doing the right thing.
Right. Um, yeah.
Yeah. That's cool. You know, I, I'll, I'll tell you something. It's, it's, um, like for instance, I'm going, I, I have to do like a little program on Wednesday for Allergan, which I'm so excited about. It's like an elevate, like one of their Elevate programs. Oh, nice. Yeah. I can't wait for them, hopefully to have that Biostimulatory product.
Mm-hmm. Oh
my gosh.
That we played with in the lab.
Yes.
That's gonna be so great for Allergan.
Are they gonna have it there?
No. No. They won't have it at the Elevate, but I, I just can't wait for that to come about, I think. Oh, I know. Yeah. They're thinking like, what, 2027? I think it's gonna be Yeah, I'm exactly,
I know.
I wish it was sooner.
Oh, it's gonna, you're already talk.
We talked to them about that. I was like, you guys have been very sleepy. Yes. In the bio stimulant department.
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Um, and like, and it's no hate to them at all. It's just No. Right. They, they, once they get a biosimilar. Like, like bio simulator on the, their market.
Yeah. It's, it can be such a game changer.
Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Then we'll have everything. But I know I do respect them though, 'cause I feel like their response was. Obviously they're so large, they have such a large target on their back. They wanna, if they're gonna do it, they wanna do it right. They gotta do it right.
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. They want it to be safe. They want it to be effective. Mm-hmm. And I agree. And that means they're slow to the market, but they bring out a great product then. I know. I'm, I'm excited for it. Yeah.
Yeah. It'll be
good. Yeah.
Yeah. 'cause that's something I definitely preach like, and I'm sure, I mean, you are the skin practitioner.
Like that's why when I was looking at, I was like, yeah, thinking before this podcast. I'm like, okay, she's a skin practitioner. Her first love was probably, or like the reason why you came into aesthetics was maybe like, yeah, a skin issue or like, like you were saying. Um, but I think. Also the reason why bio stimulation like P-D-G-F-B and s Sculptra and um, hyper delic radi acid has gotten so big is because skin health has gotten so huge.
A hundred percent. Yes. Right? A hundred percent. And we wanna focus on collagen and elastin production. Yeah. You know, all of that. Yeah.
Let me tell you about the skin. The skin was baking like a rotisserie chicken for like 20 years.
And didn't you love it?
Just like setting a timer on my phone, like split, like spraying the oil.
Oh my God. Okay. Tanning beds. Oh gosh. I know.
Um,
and they had the little Playboy bunny sticker you could put. Oh yeah. Oh yes. Oh yeah. Oh yes. Oh yeah.
Now I didn't do the Playboy Bunny sticker, but I did that lovely tanning lotion that smelled divine Uhhuh.
Oh yes. Uhhuh. Yep. And it had like the little bronzing aspect to it.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Yeah. Oh my God. It's never, it's never too late to start your skin health journey. Yes. And it's not. It's so true. It's so true. I actually did a consult today and we were like talking about so many things and I'm like, you know, you might just wanna start with the basics and Yeah. You know, do a skincare regimen because people don't realize the difference that just, that can make.
Right.
Right. Really just
focusing on that home care,
I think big time, it's like you can, you can read the room, right? Like people are hesitant, like mm-hmm. Let's start with a vitamin C, A retinol, a moisturizer. Right? Okay. Like an SBF start. Basic. If you can handle that and you mm-hmm. Consistent with it, then we can incorporate maybe a couple other products in there.
Right? Totally. Because they can get sober all alone.
They're gonna see a difference. Oh yeah.
Oh, a hundred percent.
I say that something, it's like going to the dentist every six months, but not brushing and flossing your teeth every day. Yes. Mm-hmm. What you do at home is so much more important than what I can do when you come in here.
So true. Right. And then your results look better too. Right. So, and you maintain better, the foundation better. Yep.
Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. What is it normal day for you look like when you are seeing patients?
Ooh. Okay. Well, I mean, I'm not gonna not start without talking about my kids, right? Mm-hmm. Yes.
Start there. Start there.
Yep.
I gotta soak in the mom time when I home, right? So I have a two and a 4-year-old, two little girls. So that's my time in the morning to spend with them, get them ready for the day before I go into the office. Mm-hmm. And then my husband and I. Okay. So we're lazy. We are 0.6 miles from our practice.
I love that. But we drive because we're usually late. Like we wanna sit, we wanna spend all the time with our kids and they're like, shoot. Like we gotta be at the office. So we get in, we do a morning huddle every single morning with our staff. We all sit together here in the lounge, we pull up our patients for the day, and we go over every single patient.
Wow. And
we talk about what's their treatment plan, what are things that have worked, what hasn't worked? Who are they like, I wanna know about your weird uncle that. I don't know. You grew up with like, all of that is really important to me because it affects why you're in my chair. Mm-hmm. Um, and so that is really important for us.
Like, you know, we'll talk about our patients. Someone, you know, I don't know, their husband has passed or something like that. We send flowers. Like we really, that is our time to really connect and like go over who our patients are as humans and how can we, like, show up for them in the best way when, when they come into the office.
So, mm-hmm.
We do
that every single morning. That's amazing.
Wow. I'm like, honestly, jaw to the floor right now. Right. 'cause that's really, that's really great. I think it's what now? What time do you come in for that huddle?
Yeah. You're like, all right, so, so
it's getting your staff there, I mean, yes. Yes. I know we hardest used the huddle in the hospital, but like, when it comes to when aesthetics, they're like, I wanna show up when my first patient's there.
Like Yeah, I know. To get them there before.
I know. I know. So we start seeing patients at 10. Mm-hmm. Everyone comes into the office at nine, huddle starts at nine 15. Mm-hmm. And it goes until 10 o'clock.
Okay. And then when, until the first patient
arrives? Mm-hmm.
When does the day? End?
Day ends at five.
Okay.
10 to five. Yeah. So
we're done at five. Yep. Mm-hmm. 10 to five. Tuesday through Friday. Every other Saturday. Mm-hmm. Um, so yeah, I, the days that I'm injecting are fricking busy and I don't have an ma so Do you both have MAs? Yes. Oh, I need an ma. I
know I'm dying. You know, it's so funny we opened, because I worked for a plastic surgeon.
I had an MA and then I opened on my own. I was like, I can do it. I made it two weeks, two
weeks. I made it honestly, the first two years at my practice without an MA, and I was seeing like 15 to 17 patients a day. And then, and I was, I was behind three weeks, like for my notes, like it was awful. Oh my God.
Mm-hmm. It's awful. I was, I was just
four weeks behind on my notes.
I mean, awful. Right.
That could never be me. Oh, so are you on top of your notes? I, my notes are done before I leave.
Oh, honey, she's a, she's envy you. That's why
I was a half hour late today.
She's a Taurus. She's a Taurus like.
I'm so envious. I need a scribe. I need someone a scribe for me. It's so bad.
Oh my God. Yeah. But my ma
will start the note and then I just have to plug in what I did. Yeah. Oh, honey, I don't
even do that. I just co-sign it. I, I, I have a little Love it. I do a little co-signature. Done.
Check, check.
I, I cannot be bothered.
I cannot be bothered. Oh my God. Because, but really definitely look into it. It's the best thing, honestly. Yeah. I'll, yeah, you'll ever do, I was like, so like against it forever. 'cause I was like, oh, I don't want someone in here, blah, blah, blah. Mm-hmm. Then I finally did it. I was like, oh shit, I can see like four to five more patients.
Yes. A day. Yes. And then you could bring in more revenue for your practice, which is great. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Um, and get people in off the wait list if, you know, if you have a wait list and stuff like that.
Yep. Yeah. And then I feel like it's bleeding into my admin time. Mm-hmm. So like then admin time, I'm like, oh, I have to do this like stack of charts that I haven't done for three weeks.
Oh, right. Yep. Yeah, yeah.
And then, and people will probably go stack of charts, aesthetics. What do you mean? You know?
Okay. No, but I'm not kidding. Physical charts, guys. You use it or the. Oh yeah. Okay. So me and Jack's faces right now. Okay. I came into this, I didn't want it, but I, when I came into the practice, physical charts, so we have, oh my gosh, we just switched over to EMR.
John, your face is killing me right now. I.
Honestly, I want, I'm like this right now to you. This is all I'm say, I'm gonna send
you guys a picture of my stack of charts. Oh my. Please do do
does it, does it clip to the back of the door? That's what I wanna know. Like, oh my
God. No. Do it. No, I have a little, I have a little file thing next to me.
Yeah. But you know, like when they get that man goes up and like flips it. That's like your next phase. Yeah. Oh my God. That,
that's been the Lord's work by my husband to get us over to EMR.
Over the last year, what EMR did you switch to?
Uh, we used a noie.
Oh, how come you guys familiar? I haven't heard of that one.
Yeah. Okay.
It was at um, AM Spa. Okay. And they were really. Big. I have a vibrating tool that says the Audi on it. Cool.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. Keep going. Uh, very robust. Very robust. You need to have an IT degree to understand how to use it. It's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot.
It's a lot. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
But you can have everything there.
So it's like scheduling is through there. Um, charting is through there. I can e-prescribe gallery for photo. It has everything but it's lot. Yeah. I have a question. Do you
keep up your DEA. Like while you're, yep. Yep. Same here. Yeah,
I do. Um, and I don't know why. Yeah, I don't, I don't, no, no. I'm like, maybe I wanna prescribe testosterone.
I'm not sure. Yeah.
Do we need a DA for pron or No?
Oh,
question. That's a great question. I know, because
I wanna bring that on. Technically,
technically it would be like a controlled,
right? Right. 'cause it's like. It's like, in my mind
I don't, I don't prescribe anything controlled and Megan does all the wellness and hormones and stuff.
Right? So she obviously has a DE, a, but,
well my husband keeps telling me like, I have to renew my next year and mm-hmm. I just looked and I think I have to take like a couple courses to meet. Oh yeah. My DEA requirement and I'm like. I know, but whatever.
Yeah. Yeah. Um, I don't have ox, I've also looked into that.
Mm-hmm.
Same.
But what do you, what do you want it for
Ox?
Yeah. Like what treatments?
Oh, can I be honest? Any, everything and anything. Okay. 'cause honestly, in the beginning, like for a while I'm like, oh, I don't need this under, need this. But like, honestly, more and more people lately ever bringing up to me, like, ugh.
Like if you, if do you have laughing gas? Like if you had that, I would come here, I would let you do whatever you wanted. You know what? I would get any treatment.
It's the, the Mormon wives. Yes.
Oh, you're so true.
They all saw Tracy Secrets. Yes.
Oh, Tracy. Yes, yes. Yeah.
Yeah.
She got some heat for
that, and she was like, are you kidding me?
Yeah. Like, please. Yeah. I think people, people don't understand it's very different than like, back in the day at the dentist, like this type of ox, the second you stop breathing, it's, it's gone. Like, you, you feel totally normal. Yeah. Within a few seconds.
Now, do you, you were, I, go ahead.
I thought about bringing it on.
We have Morpheus.
Oh yes. Morpheus. I feel like you need it. Oh my gosh. Yeah.
I reached out to 'em, I was like, guys, I don't know what to do. I, this is not tolerable. Mm-hmm. And they asked what numbing cream I was using, and it was BLT and they were like, oh, need somebody stronger. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like a mis a mixture of, uh, tetracaine phenylephrine and something else.
Yeah. And that has been a game changer. Mm-hmm.
It good.
Yeah.
Wait. Oh yes,
she's, that's so good. That's what I used too.
She's a, okay. Yeah, she's a vasoconstrictor. Phenylephrine, yeah. Mm-hmm. And then Lidocaine, is it Lidocaine? Phin. Tetracaine. Yeah. Tetracaine?
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Oh,
I don't use the phenol. Flein. Mm-hmm.
Oh, it is so good. Yeah. All
right. I'm gonna call my compounding pharmacy this week. Put this as a note. Yeah. They're
like,
they're so numb. They're so numb, so numb. But I need to do dental blocks.
I feel like with 23 7, they're so numb. Well, that's
if it's working for you. Yeah.
I don't know, but I think I need to add the fennel effort.
'cause there's some people that mm-hmm.
We use, give it a try. When I did Morpheus at the plastic surgeon, we had something called Devia, I think that's what it was called. And it's like, never that
it's,
it's a, um, it would melt under your tongue.
Mm-hmm.
And it was like, just as strong as morphine without giving you like a head high.
Oh. And we would have them take that like while they were numbing and like the combination of those two. And then obviously we had the laughing gas too. Like was you have when you have those settings high on Morpheus, that is
Oh yeah. Spicy.
Yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah. That was a game changer. Oh,
I'm scared. I'm getting Morpheus this Sunday.
Oh, you are?
I am.
Good for you.
I have Pixel eight. I thought you were gonna do
cool. Peel. No, you're not doing both. I'm doing
Morpheus face and neck. Cool. Peel on top. I'm putting PDGF on top.
Oh, good for you. I am,
I am now driving to and from New York City, Nicole, why I, I'm not fucking flying. Are you kidding?
I'm gonna look like a fricking burt victim. I, I'm gonna look like, like that guy on, um, hangover. That he like, oh, Chris. Like, I, I can't. Mm-hmm.
I love it. Well, you can sleep over Friday if you want. Oh
my God. I know. So I'm going to New York City next, next weekend to Do you know Faye, Faye Jie? We've posted with her.
Yeah. Yes. Face by Faye. Yeah. Yep. It's by Faye. So, um, I'm doing an Allergan training next Sunday at her practice, but then Nicole's gonna meet us in the city 'cause she's in Jersey. And we're gonna get lunch and we're gonna be looking like, like crazy. I love it. Crispy. I love it. It'll be great. It'll be great.
I'll fry. That's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. But now morph heard, I have Pixel eight. Um, do you think you'll ever get radio frequency microneedling, Nicole?
I don't know. I'm not a huge device girl. I'm not gonna lie to you.
Yeah. Mm. Yeah. I
have a laser. I have cyan, Moxie, BL, um, but I'm just, I, I feel like the laser is one thing.
I'm just not really huge into other devices.
Yeah. Okay.
I'm thinking about bringing on cyan. I'm gonna go to skin CEO at the end of the month, which, oh, that's a great conference. Yeah. Are you there? Of you going to cult or you must not be 'cause you're gonna be in New York. No. Yeah,
that's,
I know next year I said we have to line up everything next year.
Are you going. I'm going, yeah.
Oh, you, you have some good speakers there. I saw. I know.
Jenna Jenna's speaking. I'm excited to see her.
And then who is Emily? Emily Schultz. She's gonna be there.
Emily Schultz
is there. No way. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. We gotta go. We gotta line all these up. Next year we miss the all.
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Oh, I am so happy for them.
Oh, same,
right?
Mm-hmm. Like how beautiful Lindsay Lohan looks. Oh my goodness. Looks incredible.
Yeah.
Incredible. Yep. Like, sign me up. Okay. I haven't really done a deep dive into what they've done. Are you guys familiar? What's happening with them? They both, they have the same surgeon, right?
Yeah. They both have. Oh, yes.
Yep.
They did.
Mm-hmm.
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They had a little lift.
They had a little nip and talk. Yeah.
Is he, is he the young guy outta New York?
Yes,
that's the guy. Okay. Yeah. I don't know his name, but
yeah, I don't know his name. Name either, but I remember a young doctor, plastic surgeon. Yes.
Yeah.
Oh, yes. Yeah,
we were talking about that.
Yes. Yeah.
Yep,
yep. But even for Lindsay, like that is lifestyle change, Rick, too, right? A hundred percent. Oh, so, mm-hmm. Yes. Absolutely. Like your skin just looks
healthier. Yep. Yeah. Well, and that's like, uh. I talk about this with Megan a lot with the NAD and stuff. 'cause she's like, I love offering it, but I just need people to realize like, if you're not doing all of this other stuff at home, like diet, right?
And exercise, like there's no point in taking the NAD, like if you're not being good to your body, like it's not gonna do what it needs to do. So I feel like lifestyle change is such a huge topic that people don't wanna talk about because it's so hard to do. They want the magic pill. Yep. Yep. Mm-hmm. I think the magic
pills, we all need to move to Dubai and just, you know.
No paparazzi. I mean, oh, they're out. They're outside my, my house right now. I mean, I can't, that why I'm seeing those flashing lights. Oh God, I Did you not see all of that? Oh no. Just my, my neighbor's son flashing his car lights over here.
The high beams were on the high beams. The high beams were on. Oh my God.
You're too funny. So kidding. Oh my God. Yeah.
I love it. Um, so we like
to ask like, you know mm-hmm. For any, any new injectors listening. Right. Do you have any advice for anybody getting into the field now? Mm.
Yeah. I mean, I don't get into it unless you love it. Mm-hmm. Unless you are really ready to work hard and to invest in yourself.
Mm-hmm. And even when I've interviewed my own providers in this practice. I tell them like, I will do what I can to invest in your education, but I need to know that you are going to invest in your education. Like these conferences, they're so expensive, right? Mm-hmm. Like cadaver courses so expensive. You have to think of it as.
Getting another master's degree or, or something else. Um, because it takes lot. That's a good way of
putting it.
Yeah. Yep. Yeah, it's a really, because there's no, well, because there's no specialty, right? There's no specialty,
right? Mm-hmm. Right.
Yeah. Mm-hmm. So you have to make your own right. Um, and you have to be willing to invest in that.
Otherwise, don't do it. Please don't do it. That's such good advice because I feel like people
they see, again, like you said earlier, like it's funny that we look at social media because that's not even half of what we. We have, but like, they see everybody on social media like, oh, it's so glamorous. Oh, I wanna do that.
But in reality, it's, it's hard freaking work. It's hard
work.
Yep. It's hard work. I feel like it.
The other thing that's happening a lot is a lot of injectors wanna open their own practice now.
Mm-hmm.
Everyone thinks that like, you're just gonna be a millionaire. Yep. Or something like. It has been the hardest year and a half of my life.
Mm-hmm. Taking on this practice. Yep. And there is so much blood, sweat, and tears that goes into it that is not glamorous. There's also
so many, many bills. There's so many bills. There's so many
bills. You're never not in debt.
No, I I heard
you saying that, John, if you haven't gone a day without paying a bill.
Yeah.
It's just, it's nonstop though. Sometimes I look at the bank account and I'm like. It spend a month. It hasn't moved. Yeah. I'm like, why is it like, how is that
possible? Yep. Right? I'm like, what?
No. I say, you know,
Amex is known for the no spending limit. Yeah. They gave me a spending limit. They were like, we gotta, we gotta, my God, cut this girl down.
Like this is, we can't. Yeah.
So funny. Yeah. Yeah. I, or, or like, you know, we're going through like, for instance, RES, it's like we're going through mm-hmm. All of a, you know, we order five boxes, which is, has five syringes in each box, and then within two weeks, you know, uh, Alicia, my arm will be like, Hey, we're down to our last box.
I'm like, what the
frick? Yeah. Like, how is that possible? Yep. I'd order another order. I'm like, okay. Right.
Or like skin pen, like everyone's, everyone's doing microneedling now. Mm-hmm. So it's like I just ordered like the biggest order possible, so it'll just last as long. Yeah. And it's like a month later they're like, Hey, we're, we're down to like eight.
Eight. I'm like, we're down to
eight. I'm
like, oh my God. And then I'm like, how many microneedling do we have this week? Why make sure you tell me, you know this? Are we gonna have to ask their practices to like literally, yep. Oh my God, I get so anxious. That has happened
to me before. I've run out of a certain type of fillery and I had to call my one friend like two towns over and be like, please, I'll give it back to you.
Plus some. Yep. Yep, that's right. Always
be friends with your neighbors because you never know. Always,
always,
always. Community
over competition. Yeah. Always. Always. I always tell my BDM. Mm-hmm. I'm all Juvederm. Um, I carry obviously Botox and Dysport, but I always tell them like, I'm always here. People need something.
Yes. Always, always, always. Yep. Just call me. Yep. Just call me. Yeah. So true. Yeah. Gotta be. Do you guys, do you guys do cost analysis? Do you know, like. Down to like all the supplies, like your microneedling, what everything costs. So I have a spreadsheet.
Yeah. Um, I have definitely not, uh. I did not get any degree in, in business.
So I am like any of us. Yeah. I have a manager and then, um, someone that does our numbers and all that, but we have a large spreadsheet that goes over the cost of everything and then like, you know what? We pay the employee. But it is, it's just so funny because it's like by the time you work up like front desk and all your bills and like all of this and all that, and you're just like, wait a minute.
Right. But this is just so much going on. Yeah. Uh, but we do have like a little spreadsheet that tells us. Technically cost of everything and Yeah. Yeah. But do I look at it? That's moment. I prefer not to look at it often. Totally, totally. Because it is, right? You're like, how am I making money? Right. Yeah.
Like the short, the overhead on all of our stuff is insane.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yep. Mm-hmm.
Um,
one la one of the last questions I want to ask you. Like, um, you've been in aesthetics for about eight years. Mm-hmm. You've seen it change a lot over the years mm-hmm. Too. Mm-hmm. Um, I feel like we were, we've been in a, obviously a Botox filler heavy market.
Now we're getting to this biostimulatory skin health market. Mm-hmm. Um, so where do you see the next, like five to 10 years going?
Yeah. Uh, for sure we're heading into a regenerative aesthetic space. Mm-hmm. Where I think we, we merge body. And face. Mm-hmm. A little bit more like inward, I, I should say. Mm-hmm.
Like cellular health. Um, and I think we're just gonna see more and more of that over time as we have more studies, as there's more safety data on things people are more comfortable with moving into that space a little bit more. Um, I think filler always here to stay,
always.
It always has a place. Um, and, you know, bio stimulants of course, but.
Um, yeah, I think regenerative aesthetics is definitely where we're headed, right? Yeah. Why I haven't let go of the wellness on my, on my practice. Yeah. Because I feel like
those, the peptides and stuff especially, I feel like we're gonna see a ton more of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We
have to accept that, I think.
Mm-hmm. Totally know that regenerative medicines is gonna be here. I mean, it's incredible. Mm-hmm. And it's a great
thing. I'm glad we're here for it. Oh, absolutely. Great.
But definitely like filler. There's no way you can change the shape of a face like filler, right? No. Or like, you know, treat a recess chin or a recessed jaw.
Absolutely. Right. So like filler is 100% needed. We lose volume, we lose bone, so like mm-hmm. And that obviously just goes back to the education of. Aging. Mm-hmm.
Right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. It's like when people think, oh, I don't wanna get all that filler. I'm just gonna get a facelift. I'm like, well, I hate to tell you, but you're still gonna need to replace volume.
Once you get that facelift, you're still gonna need filler. Yeah. Yeah. We're either still doing the filler or you're doing fat, and both come with their own risks and benefits, and you're gonna need that a blade
of laser on top of it because you're Yeah. Still gonna need that. Still aging.
Exactly. You know, we get
the nip and tuck.
We gotta tighten that and thicken that skin.
And you gotta maintain it. Yep. So true. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. If you,
if you could only live with one skincare product, what would it be?
Oh God. It was so funny. We asked the scientists this at Allergan. Do you remember that? Yeah. Did I, we asked the lead scientist there.
Mm-hmm. There. Okay. I'm gonna say, oh, I'm deflecting theirs was TNS and ha five, and I was like, great. That's fair. Um, okay. For me it's gonna be ze oji growth factor.
Mm.
Amazing. I fricking love it. I love ze. It smells so good. It feels so good. That's my ride or die. It
honestly is like I've, I've have tried it.
I've had it Yeah. Before. It's like butter. Yeah. Mm-hmm. You actually moves, you
actually feel like you have less lines after putting it on. It's like such a smooth, it makes you look so smooth. It's like a filter. It's my,
it's like my blanky at night. Like if I can't smell it, I'm like, oh no, I forgot something.
Yeah. How about you guys?
Honestly, ahead,
Nicole.
You know what's so funny? Because I was like, I. Not against it, but TNS has such a high price tag and I'm like, it can't be that good. I started using it during pregnancy 'cause I had bad dermatitis and like I just couldn't do anything else. I was like, let me use TNS.
I am obsessed. I've gone through like eight bottles. I'm not even kidding you. I was using it on my stomach and everything. Oh nice. It's like an addiction. I love it. Get
me all the exo bones.
So TNS would be mine. Okay. What about you, John?
Um, I would have to say, wow, this is really hard. Um, I love you.
Started it. I love moisture. I just love moisture. Mm-hmm. But it's gonna be, T-N-S-T-N-S is my number one. Really? Yep. Love it. TNS and number two would be,
is it tux?
Yes. Yes. It's, yes. It's Especially at night.
Yeah.
If I, if I don't feel like a glazed donut against my pillow,
you're not happy.
I do my sheets twice a week.
It's fine. Like if I wake up and my sheets greasy, I don't care. I'm sorry, but like, I like to lock that moisture in.
Mm-hmm.
Do you guys use Plated?
No,
no,
no. Why not? I know. That's just something that I, I need to just haven't, I know I tried it. I need to try it. I need to try it. It, it's just something I need to just
like get samples of.
I heard the plated eye
is really good.
Yeah. I mean, here's my thing. Like I'm not a big believer in eye creams.
I know.
I don't know. I'm not, I just put everything else everywhere. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. I just take my growth factor. I put it on my eyes. Yeah. Like I take my plated, I put it on my eyes.
Sure. The eye cream has some caffeine in it. Maybe something else, but
mm-hmm.
Yeah, I just use the regular plated everywhere. I feel like
too, a lot of times, like I use eye cream at night, but like, I feel like during the day it, um, makes my. Concealer looked very like cakey. Yeah.
Wait, speaking of eye creams, we have to bring this up because, and she'll love this and we have to put her Instagram up here.
Amanda Grippo.
Oh, no.
I love you so much, but I course you do. She puts four or five eye creams on every night, so, oh,
her skincare is wild, but her, but her skin is amazing. Oh, her skin's incredible. Like her,
her, her epidermis and dermis must be the thickest, like that junction must be so tight. Like, I so
healthy.
I like,
and I Do you follow her?
I don't, but Amanda Grippo. Tell me what eye creams to use.
Oh my God, it's, so, she's Amanda. I'll follow her. Amanda and Jacks. She is. And her
videos of her doing her skincare are so funny. Oh my. 'cause she's just like.
I love it. And she's so great. We actually had her on our podcast like a year ago.
Um, and since, um, having her on the podcast, she's opened up her own practice. Mm-hmm. Which is super exciting. Amazing. Yeah. She's thriving. She's down in Scranton, Pennsylvania. Awesome. Um, so she's on the East coast. She's an Allergan trainer as well. Um, oh, awesome. But whenever I think of an eye cream and you think of her, I think of her.
And I like you guys. Like I, I love that. I don't really use eye creams anymore. Yeah. Yeah. I bring my TNS around my eyes. I put every product around my eyes. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Um, I Do you guys have skin better at all?
I don't, but I would love to bring them
on. It's great. Like, um mm-hmm. Patients love it.
Yeah. They really
do.
Mm-hmm. They really do. I did a long
time out of 'em.
Now what's your guys's favorite? Um, vitamin C serum.
Oh, okay. Yeah. I ahead. Although it smells a little weird, I'm not gonna lie. I use the ZO one. Okay. And I like it. Mine's. Jan. Jan
Marini.
Is it, oh, is it the black? Yeah,
the black
one. No
jam? Uh, no. It's a silver bottle.
It's a silver bottle. Siesta? Mm-hmm. Okay,
cool. Yeah, I'll have to try that.
It's a good one. It's, um, in a lip, it's like a, in a lipid basically. Mm-hmm. So it's a little less aggressive on the skin for people that are sensitive to vitamin C.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
It's nice. Love that. It's nice. It can smell a little fishy.
Yeah. I feel like all
vitamin C just smells.
Yeah.
Oh it does. I love my guys. My favorite is the sea felic. It's Does it smell? It Smell.
Really,
guys, it's like hot dog water for your face. But it is so it smells, honestly, it smells. But once you get over that, like you almost like it and you crave it like every day.
Like, I love, I need hot
dog water. Like gimme my hot dog water.
And then, then the Retin cf, which is like the comparative, is more that actually smells like espresso. Like it smells like coffee. Oh. Um, but it's more for, it's a vitamin C serum with, um, SkinCeuticals, but it's more for pigment. But anyway, it is just funny.
Yeah. They all have a scent to 'em.
They do. Yeah, they do. Mm-hmm. I think my hands smell like potatoes after. Yeah. You know, I always, I always put my, like, everything everywhere. Mm-hmm. And then like an hour later I'll be like, yeah. Oh God. Smells, smells like raw potato. Do you
guys like, um, pads, like exfoliating pads?
I love ex exploitating pads. I
used to like, I couldn't live without the complexion renewal pads from Zo. Mm-hmm. Um, but once I got my dermatitis while I was pregnant, I couldn't use those either. So now I just do the Alpha Rep pads two times a week. Oh, those your skin better. They're Oh my God. Ex
accelerating peel pads.
I always get complimented the next day after using those. They're incredible. Yeah. Your skin is glow.
Incredible. Yeah. Yep. Mm-hmm. Yep. I love the pads, and I feel like after I wash my face and I clean well, but the pads always find mm-hmm. That extra dirt. Oh yes, they do. I always like, look at it. You're like, how, how is their foundation
on that?
Yep. Right.
And I'm not gonna lie, I like, I like go in my ear with it. Like I'm everywhere.
Oh, armpits. I go armpits. That's actually really smart.
Where, oh,
smart. I thought you were gonna tell me something else. It's
smart for the people that have, um, axillary hips and they get like that staining. Yeah. Like to use that.
It actually does help ingrown hairs. Yep. That's, that's so good. That's where
I thought you were going too, John. No.
Yeah,
that's a good one.
Oh God, I can't, oh, this episode was so fun.
Yes. You guys are the best. Thank you so much for coming out. Thank, I apologize again for being late. Oh, it's all
good. I get it. Oh
my God. So if you guys want to follow, please follow Megan. You said she is the skin practitioner on Instagram.
Her business Instagram is Radiance Wellness. And thanks again for coming on. It was just so fun. I could, we could have talked all night. No, literally
we could keep going. I know. We'll do it again sometime. Yes, absolutely. I love it. Thank you. Next time I'll have some wine with me. Thank you. Yes,
and thank you guys for tuning to another episode of the Film and Pod.
Till next time.