"I hope you know that this will go down on your permanent record" this week we listen to the 80s most 90s sounding band. Sean brings in his copy of VIOLENT FEMMES (1983) by folk punk group VIOLENT FEMMES

Check out our folky live set we talk about at the end of the episode

Violent Femmes is the debut album by Violent Femmes. Mostly recorded in July 1982, the album was released by Slash Records on vinyl and on cassette in April 1983, and on CD in 1987 with two extra tracks, "Ugly" and "Gimme the Car".

Most of the songs on Violent Femmes and its follow-up were written when songwriter Gordon Gano was an 18-year-old high-school student in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.[9]

The album was recorded at Castle Recording Studios in Lake Geneva, Wisconsin in July 1982. It was self-funded before they had signed with their record label, Slash. Gano said, "It was a strange situation because we hadn't met anyone from Slash or been to Los Angeles when we signed with them. The good thing was because we recorded the album first, it was exactly the way we wanted. There was no executive influence."[10]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violent_Femmes_(album)

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So that's everyone's favorite episode of The Simpsons. Marge versus the monorail next. Fuck you. That was mine too. Mine might be the Frank Grimes episode. Grimy old buddy, old pal. Homer's enemy. Yeah, I thought it was funny that they tried to do it again with his son. It didn't work. Yeah, that one was lame. You can't repeat that joke. It's just How is old The funniest joke was, how is old Grimy? He's dead! You killed him! Although I guess it was kind of funny that they had Sideshow Bob involved in it. I liked the one where Marge was getting stressed out and losing her hair because that has Homer's my favorite come on by Homer. Marge, I just finished watching women's volleyball on ESPN. I know in our chat you said something like I'll find out if Homer's Enemy is the last great episode. And so far, I think the Tamako episode is the last great episode. That one's great. That had the B50 Twos as themselves singing the Gloveslap song. Gloveslap, baby. Gloveslap, I don't take crap. The weird thing about the Mike Scully era is how many celebrities show up. They get a little too dependent on that. Well, it's like I like that David Byrne showed up, but what was David Byrne doing in Springfield? I like the Stephen King cameo. That one was pretty good. My favorite celebrity guest they ever had was Phil Hartman, and he never played himself. Hi, I'm Troy McClure. You might remember me from some cartoons, such as Christmas Ape, and Christmas Ape goes to summer camp. You might remember me from such nature documentaries as Earwigs, Ew, and Man vs. Nature, The Road to Victory. Oh, and then there's the You might remember me from such self-help books such as Get Confident, Stupid. I also like Lionel Hutt. I think I like Lionel Hutt's even more than Troy McClure. There's more. Oh, the one where he was babysitting him. Yeah, and he's burning all of his files in their fireplace. And he wakes up and he tries to stab him. One of the middle era ones I really liked was when they found out that Homer was dumb because he shoved a crayon in his brain and as soon as he took it out, he was all smart. Yeah. But he couldn't handle being dumb. He couldn't handle being smart among all the Springfield people. So he pays Moe to shove a crayon back at his brain. Yeah. Yeah, I haven't gotten to the point where I want to tap out yet, so we'll see when that comes. I know the episode that most people hate the most is the Lady Gaga one, which I never saw, so I don't even know if it's as bad as people say it is. But I know people got really pissed about it. I have to imagine the Elon Musk episode's worse. It's got to be worse, yeah. Especially in retrospect. it's funny they take out the michael jackson episode but that one's still available oh yeah so in this watch through you had to skip the michael jackson one right yeah i thought about i'll probably look it up and watch it at some point but i'm sure i can acquire it by other means i think i have that on dvd somewhere i was gonna say the one thing i don't like it was like season 3 or 32 or 3 was it that early wow yeah it's pretty early One thing I don't like about streaming it on Disney is it's the aspect ratio zoomed in. So it's yeah, I would prefer they just stuck with 4 by 3. Another thing that sucks about streaming it on Disney Plus is it's Disney Plus. Well, and that it's the syndication cuts, not the full full cut. So, oh, there's little bits missing from almost every episode. Oh, gotcha. Oh, I hate that. It's how I first saw the episodes, a lot of them, because my parents didn't like The Simpsons, and they were home on Sunday nights, so I would watch them in syndication when they weren't home, like on weekday afternoons. I knew so many of my friends had parents that were religious and didn't like The Simpsons, and in retrospect, it seems tame. It's incredibly tame. I remember watching the first episode. One of my favorite stories is I was on the Megadeth forums and they were talking about that Osbournes Reloaded variety show from I think it was 2008 or something like that. And one of the commenters said, well, so the story was a Fox affiliate decided to pull the Osbournes Reloaded because it wasn't family friendly enough. And then they replaced it with the Simpsons. And somebody in the comments was like, what kind of world do we live in where the Simpsons is considered a family friendly substitute for something? I know, right? I mean, I'm trying to think of the most family friendly of the adult animated shows. King of the Hill, maybe? That's probably more family friendly than The Simpsons. Yeah, probably. Archer? No, not Archer. Bob's Burgers. Archer is the opposite. Bob's Burgers would be Yeah, no, I think King of the Hill is probably the most. And then after that, Bob's Burgers and The Simpsons and then nothing else. I don't know. Futurama wasn't too bad. Yeah, but it wasn't it didn't really have a family focus like it was all adult characters. Oh, I get what you mean. Yeah, it's funny that the guy that wrote Beavis and Butthead made arguably the least controversial like cartoon sitcom, but it's still I mean, there was still there are still parts in King the Hill that were, you know, Risqué. Risqué. Like, there was always the ambiguity of whether Bobby was straight or gay. Yeah. I wonder if they're going to address that in the new reboot coming out. And then there was the long-running joke about John Redcorn. Yeah. But yeah, King of the Hill. I'm interested to see how the reboot will be. I haven't seen all of the new Beavis and Buttheads episodes, but the ones I had seen were pretty funny. So yeah, I think my judge still has it. Adult Bobby Hill is weird to see in the previews. But yeah, I know no matter what, everybody on the right is going to say it's too woke. Yeah. Well, they made Dale. They made Dale go woke is what I've heard. Like he was paranoid in the opposite direction because they didn't want to. They didn't want to deal with Dale becoming like a QAnon Nazi, which is fair. Interesting. makes sense it makes sense honestly he's like he doesn't trust the government who's in charge of the government yeah let's start this podcast yeah i think we got enough filler yeah i think we have enough yeah i think we have enough random bullshit that steve can put as like a bonus lead in or lead out well you know everybody's got to see if they like our personalities before they hear our music opinion Sean, it's your album, and you've done this a bunch of times. Go ahead, take the lead. Hey, everybody. Hi, Dr. Sean. I'm back again. It's Steve and Dave's podcast, and I'm co-opting it. What's the name of the podcast? Side one, side 2. It's Steve and Dave. I'm pretty sure I'm right close enough hello and welcome to side one side B side one side is it side A side B side one side B oh why why not side A side B Or is that too much? Because in the very first episode, we found that I defaulted to saying side one, side two, and Steve defaulted to saying side A, side B. Oh. And so it's about our 2 different personalities. It's funny, though. I am subscribed to the podcast, so You probably don't spend a lot of time looking at the title, though. You know, we do what we can. And I put podcasts on in the background so much I don't always listen to the intro. I'm not paying attention. Yeah, I just listen to the episodes I'm on. I mean, no, I listen to every one. Every one of them. They're all great. You should listen to every one. You know, other regular guests, Clayton has listened to all of them. Yeah, I'm sure he has. Anyway. Other regular guest, Pete, has listened to none of them. He listened to Headless Cross, and then he told us we sound like Trey and Abed. Is it Troy and Abed or Trey and Abed? Troy. Troy and Abed. I am good with names. And I think he meant it as a negative, but I decided not to take it as a negative. I thought it was funny. Yeah. Just like the guy that listened to my EP and told me it gave him anxiety. I'm like, hey, that's a win. I made somebody feel something. We should ask him next time we see him, who's Troy and who's Abed. Well, that will be later today. So, yeah, I brought an album. I brought one of my favorite albums. And we're going to go ahead and put it on the fridge so you can see it every day. All right. Good night, everybody. Good night. Man, what a short episode. We talked about The Simpsons and didn't listen to it anyway. What album did you bring? I brought The Violent Femmes. We're going woke. By The Violent Femmes. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think what's the bass player's name? He said what how they came up with the name was like, like, you know, you used to insult people by calling them femmes or femi. And he said so violent femmes. That's how he got that. That's how I was like how in the nineties everybody called everything gay. Yeah, kind of. Yeah. In the eighties, everyone called everything femme. Yeah. Brian Ritchie is the bass player. Brian Ritchie. Yes. And Yeah, this is probably one of my, like I said, it's one of my favorite albums. I listened to it so many times. I know like almost every note on it. Yeah, I listened to this album a ton. So Steve is going to be the only one who's really going to learn anything, I think. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's. Not metal enough for my ears to listen to by myself. What do you know about the about the band, Steve? Like nothing. I didn't know this band existed. You know, you are going to know at least 3 songs on here, I think. Just because I played them in practice. Oh, OK. And you've definitely you've definitely heard the first track. Yeah. I mean, the first track is kind of like a college rock and like popular rock staple. But they were kind of like the. the sort of like a punk acoustic kind of. But I think I think you'll really like him, Dave, or not Dave. I know you like him, Dave. Yeah, I think you'll like him because they're kind of even though they're acoustic, they're very like heavily jazz influence. Oh, especially the drumming, especially the drumming and like And a lot of their songs were kind of just improvised. You're really piquing my interest with this. So if you hear solos and stuff like that, they never play it the same way twice. They go live and stuff. That was their big influence. One of their big influence was like jazz and especially the bass player, the drummer. And then but yeah, so this was their first album. And I think it was on Slash Records. It was released in 19 83. And the label really had no faith whatsoever that it was going to be a hit record. But it it's ended up like becoming kind of a cult classic record album. They had a hard time booking shows at first because of how weird they were. I saw this on a Trash Theory video. And so they ended up playing like making a lot of their songs be acoustic because it was easier to get shows at the smaller acoustic only venues. And so they ended up leaning pretty heavily into it. But there's both acoustic and electric instrumentation on here. Yeah, yeah. They used to also do, like, street performances. And so they would just, like, go out on the street and, like, start playing. And that's actually how they got found was through the pretenders. They were playing They're from Minnesota and they were playing outside the to the people like waiting in line for the Pretenders show and like the guitar player for the Pretenders or something like that. One of the members of the Pretenders saw them and he started laughing his ass off and like he went and got Chrissie. Yeah, Chrissie Hine. Yeah, Chrissie Hine. And like they were playing this one song that's actually not on the album that was called Girl Trouble. And the line in the song is like, I got girl trouble up the ass. And so when they got to that part, Chrissie Hine like fell over laughing and they invited them to play the play open for them. that night so yeah that's how they got started and but they were they've been they're still together even now I don't know if they're making new music or I think sometimes they do I don't know yeah but yeah like this album I bought it in high school on CD and listened to it a whole bunch I listened to it at home some too it was one that I wouldn't I always listen to when my parents are home because the word cunt is in one of the bonus tracks. I disagree. It's implied. Because he says Oh, yeah, it is implied, yeah. We'll get to that. We'll get to that, yeah. Yeah, but would Dave's parents have seen it as implied? It's implied. It's implied. But Yeah, like they're kind of the but like I said, they're kind of like the their acoustic punk. But like like I said, they had jazz influences and stuff like that. And yeah, they're it's a it's kind of like. So when I first like I think when I first listened to it when I was a teenager, I had just broken up with someone. And it's like a really good like breakup album. Like you're like, oh, yeah, it's a great album for breakups, for unrequited love, for love. for when you're still having nocturnal emissions. It's very, you know, like very teenage angst. Yeah. I sleep in a race car bed. Do you? I sleep in a big bed with your cats. He's cool for cats. He's cool for cats. So, Steven, tell us what the cover looks like. That is a girl looking into a building The building is white and it looks like it's very aged. The paint is chipping. Yes, the paint is chipping. So it's probably like an old barn or an old barn house or something like that, or maybe it's just a neglected building in the city. Some sort of neglected building. I see some concrete there. So it's probably a city building, actually. She's got Violent Femme's logo in the corner there, indicating that this girl probably is a Violent Femme. She's probably part of MS-XIII and burned that building down, probably. Yeah. She's wearing a white dress and she's barefoot. Yeah. As we all know, terrorists love wearing white dresses and being barefoot. Yes. On the back, you got the 3 band members. 2 of them are staring intensely into the camera and the other one's kind of looking off to the side. The one who's looking off to the side is the lead singer. Yes. And notice how much younger he looks than the other 2. Yeah, I think these guys in their twenties and he's and he was a teenager. Yeah. Yeah. Late teens. Yeah. See, the lineup is Gordon, is it Gano? Gano. Gano on guitar, violin and lead vocal. Brian Ritchie, acoustic bass guitar, xylophone, electric bass and vocals. Victor De Lorenzo, snare drum and transaphone. What's a transaphone? So it was it was their own kind of I think it was their own invention. It's like basically like a keg that they turned upside down and he uses it kind of as a snare. Oh, these guys are Slipknot before Slipknot. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. This sounds a lot like Slipknot. Speaking of which, that's our most popular episode now. Slipknot! It just snaked its way up to the top. Probably because we've told the wolf penis story so many times. Let's not tell it again. Wolf penis, friend of the pod. If you want to hear the penis story, check out episode Slipknot and then probably the Iced Earth episode. And then you have to masturbate slowly. Victor De Lorenzo is also on drum sets. Scotch marching bass drum and vocals. What's a Scotch marching bass drum? Is that like the one you put on your back? No. Yeah, it's like the like the one in front of you. Like the big one. Maybe we'll look up like some of the old live footage so you can see his setup at some point. But yeah. Well, he was one of the few drummers I've seen them live. Oh, my God. They were awesome live. Yeah. But he runs around and stands Like, he's a drummer that stands up and, like, runs around the stage and shit. I want to do that. That sounds fun. He was actually Seeing them live was the first time I heard about a cajon. So that's why I like since then, I've been like, I need to get a cajon. Just don't have never gotten one. They're not expensive. I don't know why I haven't picked one up. I bet they're easy to build. Yeah, they're basically just a box that you smack the shit out of. Just go to Home Depot and get a single piece of wood. and then turn it into literally uh so when i told this guy that spoke spanish uh uh he said he said i was like oh it's a i was like oh there's a cajon in here and he's like you know what cajon means he's like i'm like no and he's like box i'm like oh well there you go The album was produced by Mark Van Heck. So I I see him as a doge dog in my head. And then Mark Van Heck played piano on Good Feeling. Yeah, I can. And also I listen to like, yeah. i don't know if it was a podcast but it was kind of a making of this album thing and uh when they were recording this album uh they kind of did it all at night like they kind of just snuck into the studio and so like they it was kind of like really done like i don't think they spent much money on this album and yeah but it was like uh But it sounds really good because they were in like a professional studio, but they they but they like kind of snuck in and like we're doing like just recording at night and then like they would have to leave by morning time. Their label did not believe in them. Yeah, I think that was similar to how Trent Reznor started with his first album. Wasn't he like a janitor or something and like just did it in between being a janitor? I believe so. Something like that. Yeah. all right what's the track list on the on the first side here you can do that all right so on the first side we have the song i know steve has heard and will recognize once it starts blister in the sun we have kiss off we have please do not go we have added up and finally closing out the side we have confessions kiss off is about that time we did the ace freely record and that's just what sean was saying kiss off kiss off turn it off turn it off Well, it wasn't Kiss, it was just Age Freely, so fuck yeah. Well, it's still technically considered a Kiss album. It was put out under their name. There are a lot of Kiss albums where no members of Kiss play. Except one. When we do the Bad Album season, we're definitely going to do Psycho Circus, and most of the songs were not recorded by the original lineup. I'll do that one, because I remember that album. Then we should do If we ever do like a channel, we should play the psycho circus video game that came out around that time. We should we should have Sean paired up with Jake on any kiss episodes that we do, because Jake just dropped so many banger kiss jokes in the Dinosaur Junior episode. Yeah. Oh, did he? Yeah. Yeah. My favorite was when I told him I didn't like the song Beth and I skip it every time I play the Destroyer record. And his response was, yeah, it made me skip the entire Destroyer record, man. Jake is great. He's in Sean and My Book Club. We should have him with additional guests at some point. Yeah, I'll hang with Jake. Well, I was saying we should have him and Adam and Doug Decker and then me and Dave can just sit back and not talk at all. Light kiss on the Psycho Circus record. Where everything is done by guests. Yeah. There's one song where all 4 of them play, so we'll get a little bit of talk time in, but not nearly as much as them. Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if they hired studio musicians to play their own parts as well. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's been the case a lot of times. I don't know, like Gene Simmons couldn't be bothered to show up, so somebody else plays bass like that day or something. How fucking lazy. Well rest in peace to the recently deceased brian wilson like the beach boys best album pet sounds it was it was brian wilson like writing all the music um having session musicians play the parts and then when he finally like it rather than just do it as a solo record he's like fine i'll bring the rest of the band and they recorded the vocal harmonies and that was it oh i didn't know that yeah i like that uh it's probably a reason it's like one of the best albums ever made yeah i like that i like that story about how the uh interviewer asked him like his favorite movie or whatever and uh he said oh yeah i saw it a few years ago and i forget what the movie it was and he's like well what's your favorite movie he's like that one So, all right. All right. We will get started on the Violent Femmes self-titled debut. Sweet. Kiss off, motherfucker. Back in the New York going to do to do it tonight. Welcome back, motherfuckers. Yes, that was the first side of Violent Femmes self-titled debut album. Amazing. Yeah. What do you think of it, Steven? I really enjoyed it. When you first said acoustic, I wasn't expecting it to rock so hard. But they took acoustic instruments and they really rocked hard with them. I think there's only one ballad on the whole album and it's at the very end. Overall, I thought it had like a really cool old school rock and roll vibe. But at the same time, the songwriting reminded me of like the later alternative bands of the late eighties, early nineties. So I'd say these guys were probably really ahead of their time um i think it's funny that you said the label had no faith in them because yeah just 8 years later the sound would have been oh yeah they in mainstream they might have been huge like later on but they i don't know they were still kind of because they they did release an album that did pretty well later on uh in the nineties but i think they I think it still wasn't promoted as well as it probably could have been. Yeah. Um, but they, uh, but yeah, they were like, it was, uh, I can't figure it. I think it was why the, why do the birds sing is the name of the album. Um, And it has like some class, some really good songs on it, like American music and stuff. But I was saying to them, like I saw somewhere where it said it was the most it's the eighties, most nineties sounding band or something like that. Yeah, so they were way ahead of their time, but I think they influenced a lot of people. Do you think they would have had an influence on the Pixies? Because I noticed that they had the quiet to loud dynamic. Yeah, they would have, yeah. Yeah, because Pixie, like Frank Black, he also liked acoustic stuff. And also another band that really influenced the Pixies was Husker Du, which also had that kind of loud, quiet dynamic at times. Only not nearly as acoustic. Yeah, I think they only had a few like straight acoustic songs, like only one I can think of on their Zen Arcade. Yeah. um otherwise um i thought the uh the songs that were uh there were a few songs that were heavily themed around loneliness and sexual frustration which uh is uh relatable yeah yeah it's a very good like breakup or like sexually frustrated album like especially uh uh please please do not go you know that one like oh please please please do not go you know yeah it's like they're right here in the studio i know right gordon gaino not here i know it was a perch perfect But yeah, and then also, though, like, you can also hear that and, like, how young he sounds, too. Like, it's Yeah. Like, his voice is barely holding on. Like, he has great control over it, too. Like, he uses it very well, but it sounds like a teenager singing. Yeah, there were moments where I thought it was more feminine, so I thought the Violent Femmes fit the tone of some of the singing on it. Yeah. Yeah, I like I like the instrumentation. I like that it was mostly acoustic, but I did like when they decided to plug in, it worked for the song that they chose. And I like I like it when people play acoustic instruments really aggressively, like when it's not just like the quiet confessional songs, when you just wail on it for a while, break a few strings. Another thing I think I noticed is I would say the the bass player was very dominant and I would say is probably like the MVP of the side anyway. Yeah. But I also like like the drummer's approach to drumming. Like you pointed out, that was kind of jazzy. And there were some moments that I thought were incredible and like jazzy, busy style. The drumming is my favorite style of drumming. So, yeah, I really like the busy with like very few tools. Like if you look at a stage set up, he's basically got a cymbal and 2 drums and that's kind of random shit. Yeah. Like things that aren't drums that he's using his drums. Yeah. Yeah. And then but yeah. So but it's just listening to him like even now they sound so relevant and like it still sounds fresh even today, I think. Yeah. Because it's not like anything old. that was before it or after it really it doesn't have the eighties sheen yeah that's very scrappy roughness to it yeah you could probably put this out today and people would say it sounds retro but not that it sounds dated yeah yeah yeah um track by track the best known song is the first one this one was not released as a single this just became the best known one over the years Yeah, so the label did not want to release. The single that they actually released for the album is on the second side, and when we talk about it, I'll mention it, because there's an element of it that I don't want to spoil for you. So anyways, but yeah, they, they didn't release blister in the sun as a single, even though every, all of them was saying like, this is, this is the single for the album. This is like, you know, this is the song that you need to release and the label didn't do it. So yeah, They didn't even really become a one hit wonder because of that, because I don't think they had any hits. But this album became a hit as the years went by. Yeah, it was a slow progression. But yeah, so like how it got known is the college radio started playing it kind of alongside like REM and stuff like that. So college radio seems like the perfect place for this kind of material. I like how it came down to a whisper. And then it just came right back in like it wasn't really like a fake out ending. It was just it was like a slowdown. Yeah. And then and then it went from 0 to 60, just like a speeding monorail. Yes. The drumming is also active in a style that I really like. And a lot of the songs that we do together, I try to do something similar to that. I won't say that I do a style like that because but yeah the the breakdown is classic i think like people even like do kind of like you know it's kind of like the uh shout breakdown from the old from the you know shout you know where it's like you know hands up and shout yeah So it's kind of like that breakdown, and people used to do the get down lower, you know? Yeah. Anyways. It's fun to sing in karaoke because, 1, it's about nocturnal emissions. It's not about masturbation, though. Gordon Gano has been very clear that, yeah, there is some stuff in it about nocturnal emissions, but it's not about masturbation, which I think is a funny line to draw on the sand. So it's not like One hit wonder turning Japanese. No, no, no. Which is definitely about masquerading and nothing else. But yeah, it's fun. It's fun to do in karaoke, 1, because it's about nocturnal emissions, but 2, because it's fun to just kind of start whispering and then let me go. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's what we do with the song House Came Crashing Down, kind of. Yeah. Yeah. I guess we don't really like. We don't get it too quiet, but we do kind of. false ending and then come back louder and faster yeah maybe we should try it and quieting it down before i don't know we'll try it in the studio maybe yeah maybe um anywho kiss off kiss off if you have a kiss record on your turntable take the kiss off and then put this lp on this one is also one that they played a lot on college radio not as much as blister in the sun my favorite on this side It's fun. I like counting. Counting is fun. I like that it doesn't take itself too seriously either. You know, 8, 8. I forget what 8 was for. But then going like super serious right after that. 9, 9, 9 for a lost God. So it's. Yeah. Yeah. It's fun. It's like one of my favorite songs to play. Like because it's just really like 2 chords. Yeah. Well, I like the vocal delivery. Bad. Yeah. time, time, time. Yeah. I like how it starts out really quiet and then the bass and the drums like crashes in really abruptly. Yeah. It's a great, it's a, just a fun song to, to play, I think, or to listen to play all that jazz sing along to. There's a lot of what works about a song we're going to get to a little later, but without the darkness of that song. So it's more fun as a result, which makes it, yeah, just a joy to listen to. Yeah. And then please do not go. I thought this one had like Beatles vibes, but more like if the later Beatles tried to write an earlier Beatles song while they're like tripping or something. I don't know. That's kind of a reggae. Well, the rhythm guitar had kind of like a reggae thing going for it, but then got like a really like walking jazz bass underneath it. It was cool. This one. I always loved the bass solo. Yeah. I think this one was entirely acoustic instrumentation wise. The first one that was. No, the other 2 are acoustic. I think they were acoustic. I couldn't tell yet. Hard to tell for sure. But yeah, this one was. Yeah. But yeah, this one is definitely completely acoustic. Yeah. No electric instruments in it at all. Definitely not metal. No. I will dock it a few points for Rhyming Girl and World. You know, like, when I first got this album, I'd heard The first 2 songs and the one after it on the radio. So this was the first time I heard this album. This was the first song that was entirely new to me. And so getting that and seeing it after 2 songs I knew and seeing another song I knew afterwards, it's like, okay, this album has the potential to hold up all the way through. And it did. But yeah, this was It's it's a nice it's a nice look. It's a nice little ditty. Yeah. And it's a it's again, a theme of loneliness and longing and stuff like that. Yeah. Favorite part was the bass solo, though. Oh, yeah. Bass solo is the best part. Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do Well, no, even more than that, because this one is about buying a gun to take out your sexual frustrations, or at least that's an element of it. Well, he went downtown and he got on the gun, so don't shoot, shoot, shoot. That thing at me. Yeah, like this one. Well, it got Got on the gun doesn't necessarily mean buying a gun. Like, got on the gun is an expression that I've heard before, where it's like, got on the, kind of like, got on the bandwagon kind of thing. Yeah, but it's also, but it follows it with don't shoot, shoot, shoot that thing at me. So, like, violence is at least implied in it. Yeah, I know. Maybe the gun is his penis. It could be. And the shooting is comb. Yeah. Yeah. This is my rifle, this is my gun. Yeah, this one was, like, the other songs are, like, more, like, sad or, like, pleading. This one's angry. Yeah, definitely angry. Is the subject an incel, would you say? Yes, but this is kind of what, this one, yeah, this one has the most incel vibes out of any of them. Although, like, the way I'm thinking about it is, like One of the problems, why we have incels now, is rock and roll is dead. You can't work out your sexual frustrations by picking up a guitar and having that impress the girls. You just stew in it and play video games and have, like weird rapists who are trying to sell you video conferences tell you that you're owed something. Well, rather than like working it out through a song, you have Andrew Tate telling you to tell you to commit human trafficking. Yeah. And so, like, yeah, I think Yeah, if you're tempted to listen to Andrew Tate, just go and find a really sexy rock and roll record. Go listen to Spinal Tap's soundtrack. That'll Yeah. Learn to play an instrument. Do something productive. Turn your angst into something creative. Or just fucking masturbate. Or just fucking masturbate. Yeah. Let out the poison. Anyways. But yeah, like, this song's a lot of fun. This one Like, I like it. It's just and it has like some of the similar dynamics to to kiss off. You know, it starts off with with just Gordon and then the rest of the band comes in hard. This one, though, the electric guitar is pretty prominent. Yeah. Which adds some of the edge to it, too, I think. Yeah, he he he always played like a really high like. He plays a Telecaster most. I've seen him play Strats too, but he plays Teles. So they have that biting tone. I find it really controversial when they went electric. 4 songs in. Sellouts. Yeah. Confessions. Confessions. This one was instrumentation wise, was even more electric. It was kind of like it was building in some of the electric stuff, at least from Please Don't Go to Confessions. I think to me, the bass sounded electric on this one. I'm not. If you held a gun to my head, I wouldn't say for sure. But yeah. Yeah, I can't really tell. But I this one, I like me. I like it because it's kind of like that slowdown, but it actually reminds me kind of like the doors. Oh, yeah. The doors would be like really quiet and then just have that explosion. Yeah. Kind of like the end, you know? Yeah, kind of like whiskey bar vibes. Yeah. It builds into just like an explosion of sound, like you got the army drum roll. Yeah, I really I really liked how it had this like slow opening and I had this like to me, like it's vaguely like Western sound to it, like something you might hear, like when you walk into a saloon. And then, as you mentioned, the the marching drum part dynamic was just a great earworm, like a great hook. I really liked that. Um, probably my favorite on this side, but yeah, it's a, it's a great song. I've, I've always, uh, this is one of those albums that I really, I know that we've only done one side, but it's not a, it doesn't have a skip track, you know, where you're like, Oh, can't listen to this one. Yeah, I'll see about that. Well, yeah, we'll see about that. But, all right, are you ready for side 2, guys? Yes. I think side one is slightly stronger as a side, but I really like the way side 2 closes out. Like, I think the last 2 songs together are really strong as a closing statement. And so, yeah, I'm excited to I'm excited to hear them all as a discreet thing rather than just flowing from. one side to the other yeah you're more used to the cd copy i'd imagine huh yeah yeah yeah the break-in is like kind of it kind of uh does give you a little pause especially after confessions because it's kind of like that ominous feeling especially because it it in like most of the other songs started with gordon gaino like uh Singing in this one ends with him singing it like, you know, like it's kind of the reverse of added up or added up. He started Al Capelo and stuff or actually kiss off more or less. But yeah. Yeah. But anyways, yeah. Yeah. So side 2. We have prove my love. That's side B. Side B. Prove my love. Promise. To the kill. Gone, daddy, gone. Slash, I just want to make love to you. And closing it out with good feeling. Oh, good. Good feeling ending. All right. And I'm looking forward to having it end on good feeling because I like both the bonus tracks that were on the CD version. But good feeling is a closer and was meant to be a closer. Just to have it like that is going to be a nice way to appreciate the album, I think. Yay. Less content. Yes. Sometimes less is more. Vendor's like, look at me, look at me. I'm the host now. And we're back. We're back and I feel good. I have a good feeling. Well, but will it stay with you for just a little longer? I'm hooked on a feeling. I'm hooked from the ceiling. By my nipples. Yes. so what'd you think of side 2 there steve-o i thought it was a excellent side of music i don't think there was really a quality difference between side a and side b i think they both held up more or less equally um i did notice there were uh a lot of avant-garde moments that weren't technically correct if you take into account music theory and i'm the kind of guy that loves to throw out music theory so i actually like moments like that um But yeah, otherwise there was a good variety of different sounds that reminded me of all sorts of different eras kind of all over the place, even more so than the first side. And overall, I have a lot of feelings about each individual song, so we'll move on to what you guys have to say before we get into the rest of that. Yeah, this one only has 2, like Like, the other side, in my opinion, has 3 songs that stand out as hits. This one only has 2. But none of the songs are bad. Like, none of them are songs I would skip. It's just It's kind of weird that it starts Like, the first 3 tracks are like a little bit, you know, like less of standouts and then it gets into the poppiest song on the record. Uh, like the big rate, like not the big radio hit. Cause nothing on this was big at the time it became big later, but like the radio hit with an additional instrument. And which one was the hit? So the one, the reason I didn't want to, The reason I didn't want to mention it was because it was Gone Daddy Gone was the radio single that the producers chose. That was the single? Yeah, that was the single. When we get to that, I'll tell you why. I mean, it was probably the most hooky one. I guess I'll give them that. That's not the one I would have picked. I would have picked Good Feeling. Oh, yeah. That one sounded kind of old, too, though, so I don't know. But, yeah, so this Like I said, this whole album is a non-skip for me, like one of those albums that you can listen all the way through and not skip. And I think it still holds up and it's still like one of those albums when I put on when I put it on, I'll like just listen to it all the way through, like and not feel like guilty or like that. I've wasted my time like listening to this album again because it's just a great album. So but yeah, like this side was great. It still it still holds up. And it is funny that one of the songs, the one that was the radio single that they chose and they actually filmed a video for. So the video is good, but we'll talk about the little later. Yeah. When we go song by song. All right. So first song, prove my love. I love this song. It does sound very like a. Like fifties, what do I have to do? Oh, tell me now. Yeah, I put active sixties style rock and roll. For some reason, I was picturing Marty McFly freaking people out with the song at the dance. I do like it how after like the last 2 songs of the first side got a little like darker and angrier and edgier than this one was just like a little bit self-aware and goofy as a result, you know? Yeah. It was a good way to open up side B, I thought, too. Yeah, and it is a good side opener, because it's upbeat and happy and stuff. Yeah, I like rhyming relationship with we've all been through some shit. That's a good line. makes up for the girl in world yeah i love uh we're out of mints past the lifesavers i'm dropping hints like yeah because he's like talking about like well he's basically like saying i want to make out yeah but my breath is bad yeah yeah and then like And then like after, you know, like 2 kind of dark songs to be like just last night, I was reminded of just how bad things have gotten and just how sick I had become. So, yeah, just like making like making fun of himself a little bit. And yeah, by making the album go more upbeat again was a great, great way to kick off a new side. Yeah, because truthfully, like Confessions is probably like the most darkest sounding, even though like so like. like you were saying added up is like the angriest confessions is like the darkest sounding. So then lightening up for the next side is good. Yeah. I imagine if you're listening to this, like on a compact disc, then, uh, it was probably like a good pick me up from the, uh, the vaguely, uh, Western sleazy sounding song confessions. So I could, uh, I can see both formats, uh, being a good way to listen to this. And then Promise, probably the most punky sounding song on the album. I thought it sounded a lot like Nirvana. I can see Kurt Cobain singing this one. It'd probably be a really good incesticide B-side or something. Oh, and I think maybe it's the influence of this album without me realizing it, but sometimes when something mildly annoys me, like one of the things I mutter under my breath is, oh God, I hate this. but yeah it is uh but yeah it's a it's a fun song but it's like very it is like the most punk punkiest song on the album like i think in my opinion i've um yeah I love the lyrics to this one, too. Like, it's a lot of fun. This is also like a little jokey self-aware one. I do remember once when I was younger, a roommate of mine was being annoying and denying that he was into a girl that he was into. And I weaponized the song lyrics of this against him. And then logic says it's never going to happen, and so my defense is to say I've never done one anyway. Sometimes I'm a liar. So I just, like, drop that on him, and then my other 2 roommates started laughing. And Was that when you're living at the Vic? No, it was a little before. But yeah, it was one of the guys was the Dream Theater guy, but he knew this song and thought it was funny that I used that on that other guy. It wasn't the Slipknot guy. The Slipknot guy wasn't living with us anymore at that point. But yeah. Friends of the pod, Dream Theater guy and Slipknot guy. Yeah. We should get them as guests if we can. No, the Slipknot guy got really Jesus-y. Oh. The Dream Theater guy would be good. He lives in Minnesota now, though. Yeah. Someday we're going to have guests from different states. Yeah. I want to get my friend in Voidscan in here on some kind of, I don't know, probably an electronic release. That's kind of his thing. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I like it. Like the first 2 songs of the first 3 songs of the first side were also fun. so i like that it slips back into fun for a little while too what did you think of uh i don't think you mentioned what you thought of promise steve oh i did i said yeah i said uh said it reminded me of nirvana oh fuck me god yeah right okay you did okay to the kill uh this is probably the one you were saying like where it broke like uh song conventions oh yeah the intro and the the bridge i really liked how avant-garde they were and how much they'd like it they didn't particularly care if the note they were hitting matched the place that it was going and i like that yeah um I also liked the slow and steady walking bass line. That was kind of the thing that kept it grounded, I think. Yeah. This to me is kind of the weakest song on the album. In my opinion, too, yeah. Yeah, but it's still a good song. It's like you have like ten fantastic songs. One's got to be the weakest, and I think To the Kill is the weakest, but I still would never skip it even when I was listening to it. And part of it is when I listen to it in the car, it feels like it's a little too long. But sitting like on the couch and listening to it on the record player, it didn't feel too long. So who can say? Maybe it was because when I was in high school, I liked I like short punk songs more than more than anything else. And I hadn't gotten into, you know, like all the avant garde like art rock stuff that I am into now. So maybe that's part of it, too. Who knows? Yeah. Maybe this is just a fresh listen right now. I mean, this one to the kill kind of sounds a little velvety, like Velvet Underground. Yeah. Or John Cale, probably more. Yeah. The bass tone is really good. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's true in the whole album. But I really it does really stand out here. And I like. For whatever reason, when he's just repeating the theme of Chicago and Al Capone, just like how it keeps kind of escalating to, finally, that bitch took my money and she went to Chicago. I was going to say, even though this is, I think, the weakest song, it has my favorite line, which is, that bitch took my money and went to Chicago. I am not sick and alone. it's just like how uh how molly took uh the highwayman's money in uh whiskey in the jar yes that might be a stretch but yeah and then uh gone daddy gone all right single this is actually my favorite track on on the record i know it's it's this is really fun The xylophone is a lot of fun. Like the bouncy dancy quality to it is a lot of fun. Like the and this is this, in my opinion, is like Brian Richie's show of force because he's both the bass and the xylophone on it. Yeah, I think he did a lot of work on this one. You can tell that this one, because it was a single, it was a little bit more produced. And the reason that they chose this one as the single is because it had a bass drum in it. This is where the Scottish bass drum is at. That's why they wanted this as the single, because they thought Blister in the Sun, because it had no bass drum in it, that radio stations wouldn't want to play it. Or it was too thin or something like that. I thought this one was the most catchy one. I also thought the music, like not lyrically, but I thought instrumentally, it sounds like something that James Bond would sneak around to. Yeah, I always thought it was like a kind of a secret agent. Yeah, I was picturing like Sean Connery just like going between buildings or something. And then the music video is like Black and white, you know, like, low-quality film, like an old silent movie. And it's, like, a guy sitting at the bar, you know, like, taking off his wedding ring and looking at the exotic dancer, and it will, like, cut back to him, like, eating, like, gray slop at home. Yeah. Yeah, it's a It's a it's a good video yeah it's like a bitters like the video makes it seem like a lot more bitter than the song sounds too which is a nice little contrast it's yeah and uh gordon gainer is dressed as a priest and he's like dancing with the exotic dancers or something yeah uh yeah and brian ritchie's no brian ritchie's dressed as a sailor oh yeah that's right yeah it's pretty funny it's great uh And then but yeah, that that's that's the one that they thought that they were like, this is going to be the the single. So and then good feeling. This is actually my favorite song. It's a good song. It's the only ballad. And one is the perfect number of ballads for for a rock album. And they can be really effective as closers. And this one was an effective closer. I like the piano. The only time someone else played with the band on this album, too, which was nice. piano added a lot to it i liked i liked the violin solo near the middle yeah i'm curious uh like what the origins of this one was because on the credits the person playing piano had the same last name as the producer so i wonder if this was like a collaboration they had with the producer and the same first name so it's the same guy oh it is yeah yeah i think the producer is the one no they just found a guy that had the exact same name I know what I'm talking about, Dave. Okay, so it sounds like it was probably a collaboration with the producers. But yeah, I think I like it because it's like The song, like Even though he's talking about, like, you know He's like it's also like him like losing his mind as well like there's the because he's like little voice says i'm going crazy oh i didn't i didn't even pick up on that yeah it's nice to end on something more positive yeah it is it's positive but it's kind of like he's uh he's he's going insane and like uh the girl like girl or whatever is leaving him i know i name drop sid barrett a lot but this kind of reminded me of sid barrett but yeah yeah i think that's i think that's i don't know like this is like the ultimate like uh for me and It really resonated with me when I was a kid and like breaking up with girlfriends. It's a little sweet. It's a little pleading. It's not saccharine. It's a little like melancholy. The won't you stay just a little bit longer? Like, yeah, we both know it's ending, but let's just keep this moment just for just for a moment. Yeah. Yeah. Just for a second. Yeah. hashtag relatable yeah it's a little more mature like lyrically than a lot of the other songs too and not and it's you know and not in a i'll be a little more mature by making fun of myself in a self-aware aware way this is just kind of uh wanting to hold on to something that that's ending but knowing it still has to end anyway it's uh nice little emotionally complex thing there with, uh, it seems like it was written by a different person, uh, for, uh, for added up, you know? Yeah. But yeah, that's, I don't know. That's my favorite song on the album. It's a good song. Like the only thing I would dock it for is I noticed the production was a little lower in quality, uh, and compared to some of the other songs. Um, but like I said, I think they should have chose that as the single and probably, uh, probably giving it a little bit more production but I like the 12 punch of going from gone daddy gone to good feeling they flow really well into each other even though they're like only vaguely related and they're both kind of breakup songs yeah but like it's feels like it's capturing a range of emotions by putting those 2 right next to each other and just like some of the strongest songwriting on the whole record just back to back right there yeah really makes it end on a high note oh yeah So do you guys want to do the 7 inch? Yeah, we will do. We will do the 2 bonus tracks that I am used to hearing right after a good feeling that kind of take me out of the mood. But now that we've talked about it, I would say, yeah, definitely listen to it in vinyl and listen to the other 2 songs as a seven inch just to Yeah. To kind of give yourself a little bit of distance. Yeah. Give yourself the space to let good feeling be the, and you'll see what I, you'll see what we mean, Steve. So the 7 inch has, is that either, I don't know if they released it as a single at the time or whatever, but it has 2 songs on each side. So let's just do it together. Um, there are 2 songs total, one on each side. Yeah. One on each side. And, Like the first song is called Ugly and and then the second one's Come on, Dad, give me the car. So the one of these has the implied use of the C word or cunt, because I don't I don't mind saying that word. I'm just careful about what context I say it in. I like saying it like the British people. I like Louis CK's bit about how cunt is just a fun word to say. It's the you. But, yeah, I think we have time for 2 more quick songs. We do. We're waiting for Pete because he was doing family things. Yeah. Fucking Pete being a father and shit. Da-da-da, the family guy. So we won't talk about, like one side at a time. We'll just flip it right away and talk about them both at once, I think. Yeah, because they're kind of like That's not the format, guys. Your format can suck my cunt. Oh yeah, well your cunt can cunt my cunts. Cunt take yourself, bitch. Dave, say cunt. Cunt. Yeah, I am. Oh, you are? on, girl. I ain't no runt. Come on, girl. Give me your What did you think of the 7 inch there, Steve? I really liked both of those songs. Um, I liked, uh, the active angry energy of ugly. And I really liked the, uh, the sleazy, but ever changing vibe of give me the car. Uh, before we get into the songs, uh, we should probably talk about the artwork. Oh yeah. Uh, the, the ugly single, uh, It looks like it's a gerbil on a toilet. And staring at the photographer like, what are you doing? Why are we doing this? Why are you putting me in a toilet, bitch? And then it's got pink lettering for all the information. And on the back, we have a really retro looking photograph of the band. They're like wearing suits, but one of them is on like a rocking horse. It's Gordon. Yeah. And then the other 2 are sitting at like a table. It looks like it like it'd be a table at like a fancy restaurant. And they're sitting in front of like checkered patterns. Yeah. And the font for this is also pink. I mean, if you're going to put FIMS in your name, you might as well have your band logo in pink. Pink is not metal. Pink is metal, honestly. Like the black background with the pink text stands out a lot. Yeah, look at your Tool album up there. It's got pink in there. Tool is written in pink. No, Tool's written in red. No, that's pink, dude. That's pink. And a lot of the background is pink, too. Yeah, it's pink. I see red, so maybe my eyes are different than your guys'. Also, pink is the color of Look at that Iron Maiden album. What color are Eddie's muscles? Hey, our muscles are pink. Yeah, there you go. But I guess, yeah, pink is a pink is a metal color. So more pink and metal. Yes. Actually, I really love neon pink. I think it looks really cool. Yeah, especially especially with a black background. It stands out. It pops Metallica for your next record. Classic Metallica font. Pink lettering. Or it can be the pink album. Yeah. Metallica, the pink album. We should do the Illiterates of Pink album. That'd be great. We should. Yeah, there we go. I still want to call that first album No Feast for the Wicked. Yeah, that's good. That's a good title. But yeah, this is the best title that we've come up with, actually. I think so, too. Yeah. Anyways, yeah, these 2 songs are good on their own, but like as bonus tracks coming right off of a good feeling, it just completely ruins the vibe, in my opinion. So this is the ideal way to listen to to them as a separate thing. Just let yourself come down from good feeling and then put this on. Yeah, because ugly like starting right after Good Feelings just is so fucking jarring. Because my original way of listening to it was like you, Dave, where I listened to the CD. So, yeah. Yeah, I would sometimes stop the CD before Good Feeling ended to hold on to the mood for a moment. Yeah, these 2 definitely had a single quality to them. And another thing I noticed, like I was wondering the origin of these, why they weren't on the album. And one of you said that it was the it was a British single. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Oh, yeah. And these songs came off as very British to me. I don't know. They might've been recorded later too. That might've been. Yeah. Like vaguely the same era, but weren't ready in time. There were 2 songs on the album that I thought you could possibly interchange these with. Like they had similar vibes, but it's like, Yeah. Tacking them on at the end. I could see that not working. Yeah. Cause I mean, they actually, to me, they, they're good songs, but they have a completely different tone than the rest of the album. Although I think give me the car has some similarities and in tone to add it up, but yeah. Well, I mean, when I say tone, like it sounds like it was a different recording session. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Not necessarily like tone as in like, like songwriting tone yeah uh but uh to go by both i mean there's only 2 but uh ugly i always thought it sounded like it was on the greece soundtrack you know it's so ugly i can't say yeah but then like his vocals get the most aggressive that they have gotten on any of these songs by the end i Yeah. So it goes like, it like starts as like, kind of like something that could be on the grease soundtrack, but then it gets like the punkiest vocal delivery. Oh yeah. Yeah. I just, I always thought, I always liked that. It was like, it could be on the grease soundtrack, but it, it's so fucked up that it probably couldn't be. It's yeah. Yeah. Again, Marty McFly could have played that at the dance and like the first half, everybody's like grooving to it. And then he goes into the part. Yeah, I sounded more like a black metal singer. But he goes into that part and then principal Strickland's got his hands over his ears and everybody's staring at him like, what are you doing? You're just too loud. Yeah. Yeah, i like it it's a fun song oh yeah yeah and it's short it's like really short uh but yeah if i think if that was actually on the album i'd probably say it was it was the weakest song of the album like i i like to the kill better than ugly Yeah, it's it's the least of the 2 songs. It's the least essential. It's the one that doesn't always get put on compilations. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because there's this huge compilation that came out in like ninety three and it had give me the car, but it didn't have ugly. Yeah. That would have annoyed the collector in me. Yeah. Back when I used to collect CDs. Yeah. But, you know, it's the greatest hits type of thing. Yeah. Not not like it wasn't meant to be comprehensive. Yeah. It had like 19 songs on it or so. Would have been a lot cooler if it was. Yeah. And then Then Give Me the Car. I thought this one was really strong. I liked it. I liked it a lot. It's a very good song. Oh, yeah. It's dark. It's dark. It was great seeing it live, too. Yeah. They killed it live when I saw them play it live. So it I guess it was mid two thousands when I saw him. So I think it was at the same show. We just didn't know each other yet. Oh, cool. Yeah. I was in like the, I was like 2 rows to the front. Nice. And like, I could like Victor De Lorenzo. Like I was right by Gordon Gaylor. Victor De Lorenzo was running like a madman all over the stage. Yeah. It was, it was fantastic. I like it that they brought in someone else to play the bass for Gone Daddy Gone so that they could have it going with the xylophone. Oh, yeah. Anyways, yeah, we'll talk about that more. But yeah, they had a great live show. But yeah, Give Me the Car Tonight is a good, great song. Yeah. Sleazy, like the guitar is sleazy, the bass is menacing, which is a good combo. It could be a candidate for one of my favorites out of this listening session. Oh yeah, it's very good. I like I like that it's doing kind of, you know, like just this kind of dark and ugly kind of like nihilism, like where you're kind of feeling like, oh, this this narrator is kind of an asshole. And then it but then it like really leans into that. You know, it's just like hedonism due to nihilism. Yeah. What's wrong? What's right? I don't care when I hate my life. I ain't got much to live for all that. Just like the it's like the ugliness, the grit, the sleaze. It's it's great. Again, I see why they picked that song for the British audience. Yeah. Yeah. To me, the, uh, it's always been like, it's almost like a stream of consciousness. Yeah. Like he's just kind of rambling on. That's why it changes so much. Cause it's like a stream of consciousness, you know? And so he's like, what's, you know, like he goes from like speaking and like, we're driving, we're driving. And then it was like, speaking of driving. Yeah. When he's like, dad, give me the car. Where he goes from driving pain to back to give me the car. Yeah. Yeah. it was really effective at using songwriting to tell a story because different sections of the song sounded very different from each other, but they all float into each other. So it wasn't like a, I don't know, like a dream theater situation. Are we still listening? Is this a different song? No, no, it's the same song. No, it actually is. It's a different song. You know, it's not like that. Yeah. Oh, yeah, it definitely still has the same vibe throughout the whole song. Speaking of Marty McFly, doesn't the main guy kind of look like him in this picture? Yeah, he does. He's probably about the same height, too, because Gordon Gano is kind of like 5, 2, 5, 3. He's pretty short. He's the shortest guy on stage. Gordon Gano probably had to go back in time and make sure his parents kissed at the fish under the sea dance. Yeah, well, actually, it's kind of funny because The first song that we listened to tonight, Blister in the Sun, there's a line in it that says, Big hands, I know you're the one. Which is why people think it's about masturbation. That's why people think it's about masturbation. But he wrote it because, first off, the original person that was supposed to sing the song was actually going to be a girl. And she And like, he was, you know, like he was thinking like people in the fifties talked about like soft, like you're a small hand in mine, you know, but then also he also like had incidents in school where his hand, he has like really small hands, um, So, like, he got really embarrassed because this one girl, like, grabbed his hand and was like, oh, look at how small his hands are. They're so cute. And that was kind of his joke on her kind of thing. Yeah. So, you know, the big hands, I know you're the one. What a weird thing to, like, criticize somebody for. Yeah. Your hands are small. Well, no, she was saying she thought his hands were cute or something like that, but that would still embarrass the shit out of him. Yeah. Oh, look at how small they are. It's also a very high school thing to be embarrassed by. Yeah. Like, I wouldn't be embarrassed by that now if someone said that. I was like, okay. You know, I think the singer should have repeatedly sent her sketches of his hands, like traces of his hands to just mail to that girl and be like, they're normal sized. They're normal sized hands. Come on, girl. I ain't no runt. And also, you know, not having huge hands is good for a guitar player. Just saying. Yeah. Oh, I wish I had slightly smaller hands because I have problems courting. And I think part of it is because I have stubby, weird fingers. But Yeah. Well, I mean, there is something also because like Hendrix, I always say like Hendrix had huge fucking hands. Like if you look at Hendrix playing the guitar, like it looked like a little toy in his hand. Yeah. But he. He did things to make it easier for him. Like he used his thumb for like bar chords and stuff like that. Yeah. So like he wouldn't have to like go like that. And so that's what he did for recording and stuff. Interesting. Like the way he did a G chord was like he just gripped the top and the bottom. And that was it. Yeah, I always ham fist it when I try to do chords. So it's really nice that I can write something with power chords and then give it to you. And you're like, no, no, we're going to do chords. When we're working on a cover of a John Cale song, Dave sent me the uh the chart or whatever and i sent back a picture of snake uh from the simpsons in the car and i i recaptured it oh no chords yeah yeah i guess well yeah chords are kind of my thing i guess you're a rhythm player yeah And to me, when I started out, I was listening to a lot of Megadeth and then later on Black Sabbath, and they're both about doing single-note patterns. Yeah. Well, and Naomi does a lot of power chord riffs, too. Well, I mean The frustrating thing with power chords is I'm at the point where I feel like I've said everything I can say with power chords, so I'm trying to slip more chord playing into my routine. It's just i was something i'm naturally good at i was gonna say though like you know i started with nirvana which was a lot of power chords so um but then like pixies frank black uses like uh bar chords a lot which is just they're like you know fancier power chords um yeah i do that a lot now and then uh But yeah, I don't know. I just I've I try. I've actually been trying to do the same thing where I've been trying. Like one of the recent songs we wrote, which was Art of Loving Correction, where I found I found some weird chords and I threw them in there and it sounds almost like, I don't know, jazzy. Like, yeah, yeah. When I started using the jazz kit and tried to play in a jazzier style, that's my favorite song of ours to play for me. Yeah, it's it's fun. It's it's fun to sing. Yeah, but I'm but I'm using like like F sharp D D or something like that. I'm using like weird chords in it. So it's, you know, it's kind of funny. Yeah. Anyways. Yeah. Anyways. So, uh, we're all in a band called the illiterates. Would you recommend this album to people, Steve? Oh, yeah, I would probably I see myself listening to this one again soon, sooner rather than later. So not just when you're editing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I'm glad you liked it because, like I said, it's one of my favorite albums. I've listened to the one a lot since you brought that one into. Yeah. So. All right. All right. So we're all in a band called The Illiterates. And if you like acoustic material, we just put out an entire release of us. Minus our bass player. Minus our bass player. Sean's on acoustic. I'm playing on a wooden kitchen or not a wooden park bench table. and dave singing and uh it's kind of like a fun little folk punk release and it's on all the major streaming platforms uh but on that for licensing reasons you can only hear our original songs if you want to check out the full release i have it up on my youtube page uh kill rock music uh and uh i'll probably make us a illiterate youtube channel at some point and put it on that we just don't have it up yet uh but yeah check that out and uh I listened to it. It was fun. Catch you on the flip side. is a Blue Feet Studios production. us on Instagram at killrockmusicsws and dave underscore diction. You can find us on Blue Sky at killrockmusic and Beastmaster General. Check out our musical projects, The Illiterates and Lucid Fugue on all major streaming platforms and links to each at my website, killrockmusic.com. That's K-I-L-R-A-V-O-C-K music.com. This also includes my past projects, Megaton and Valley of Shadows, and my current solo project, Kill Rock. You can also find Dave's past project, Gong Farmer, gongfermour.bandcamp.com. Thanks! Everyone we worked with is dead. I'm really ripped. I need to change my pants. Check, check, check, check, check, check. Check, check, check, check, check, check. Leonard Bernstein. I hate it so much I skipped the whole Destroyer. Allow me to play you out. Dirty Dave just pooped his pants. Yes, yes indeed. Perfect hooker murdering song. Kick out the jams, motherfucker! Are ready? Steve's got some cheese. Get my podcast voice ready to go. Cha-wobble. What a name. I'm Ivan Moody, and I'm having a psychotic break. Testicles. That is a fun fact. There's a jazz hole. What do you mean this song is called Sweet Pea? Now that we're done with Steve's Rorschach test, let's talk about the album. For fuck's sake. That's not very Vivian of you guys. It's a professional operation over here. This is Fantasia for people who had to repeat the 9th grade. Heavy metal. Yeah, hands off, Britain. Dump it in the sea again. Shove it, shove it, shove it. You know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know. I love California. Cunt.