"You can stand me up at the gates of hell, but I Won't Back Down" in memorial to Steve's father who recently passed away, we are reviewing a cassette from his collection that was formative to his musical upbringing, FULL MOON FEVER (1989) by TOM PETTY

Full Moon Fever is the debut solo studio album by American musician Tom Petty, released on April 24, 1989, by MCA Records. It features contributions from members of his band the Heartbreakers, notably Mike Campbell, as well as Jeff Lynne, Roy Orbison(who died prior to its release), and George Harrison, Petty's bandmates in the Traveling Wilburys.[3][2] The record showcases Petty exploring his musical roots with nods to his influences.[4] The songwriting primarily consists of collaborations between Petty and Lynne, who was also a producer on the album. MCA Records under Irving Azoff originally refused to issue the album, believing it did not contain any hits. Azoff resigned within a few months and, with new label management reviewing the album positively, they decided to release it.

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Let's talk about sex, baby. Well, let's not because this is my dad's memorial episode and we're going to get serious for the cold open. We are a little bit. I didn't sign on for that. Yeah, you did. It's in the waiver that you didn't read. I'm not I demand double pay for this. Yeah, so 0 times 2 is 0. If we do end up having to do a Patreon, we are going to have to start paying guests as a thing. Oh, I'll insist on it. Yeah. well sean you're uh you're technically a contributor now so we'll just continue to not pay you yeah that's all right but that means when we hit it big though you'll be set because you've been paid an exposure oh that's like all those fucking influencers do like well you should give me a discount because you're going to be paid an exposure like fuck you dude pay me Yeah. It's a job. I'm doing labor. Yeah. Your fucking exposure isn't going to pay my staff salary. Go fuck yourself. In the entire time I've been doing music, not once has being paid in exposure paid off for me. No. Like, not once. Alright, so today we're doing a very special episode in honor of my father, Jeffrey Allen Smith. He recently passed away. Anybody that follows my social media has probably seen me post about it. My dad was somebody that was really important to me growing up because his music tastes just completely rubbed off on me. I went on to have music tastes that, you know, didn't jive with his necessarily, but a lot of my favorite like seventies and early eighties bands like basically came straight out of his collection. So I just want to say, uh, dad, I miss you. I wish we could have got you on this podcast. I wanted to do this album with him, but unfortunately, towards the end, his mental faculties weren't really there anymore. At least not a hundred percent, I should say. I mean, he was still lucid and all that, but I know he was a little worried that he wouldn't have been able to Speak clearly, to which I told him, I mean, I worry about that all the time and I edit out all my stuttering. But not mine, motherfucker. Well, sometimes it's just comedically funny, so you got to keep it in. So, yeah, today we'll be doing an album that i grew up listening to in his car because apparently uh for his birthday i want to say probably in 89 maybe 90 when this album came out it was in his tape deck a lot so rest in peace dad i'm not really a religious person but i do think that there is more to life than this this human realm so i imagine there is another side that i'll be seeing him on someday so Sean, thanks for coming to the funeral. Dave, thanks for stopping by the day or so after it happened to hang out with me while I was going through a tough time. Thanks to Andrew, our bandmate, for coming to the funeral. Thanks to my former bandmate, Adam, for coming, along with me and Dave's Lucid Fugue bandmate, Dan. I really appreciate everybody's support. And then I suppose we should also note that another musician recently that we feature on this podcast passed away. Brent Hines of Mastodon. He got hit by a car on his motorcycle. It's unfortunate that he was having beef with his bandmates when that happened. That's really unfortunate. I can't imagine what those guys are feeling right now. Complicated things, probably. Anyway, that's all the heavy stuff. Let's get this started. All right. Welcome to Side One, Side B. I'm Steve. I'm Dave. And I'm Sean. And today we're taking a look at an album that I've listened to probably about a billion times. What do you guys know about Tom Petty? Tom Petty, okay. Yeah. Tom Petty was like a point of agreement between my dream theater roommate and I. Like when we would be driving on long road trips to like St. Louis or Chicago or Minneapolis, those general areas, when we were putting on something that we could agree on, we would take my best of Tom Petty CD, which had a lot of songs on this. I've heard the album too, but I'm used to hearing them on the best of version back to back to back because of how many road trips. I still put that one in particular on when I'm driving because I like a long greatest hits album for being on the road. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Tom Petty also does remind me of being on the road. It is perfect road trip music. Just, uh, that kind of mid tempo Americana rock and roll is, is perfect for it. Especially if you're like driving into the sunset on your way, way home. Recently when I've been doing one of my, uh, small town, like visits, I, I put on, uh, the, what's the, what's the super group name? The wilder wilder. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I didn't say that right. But anyway, yeah, it's fine. I put that on and yeah, it's like perfect driving music. And again, you know, my, uh, my memories of my dad is full of us listening to this song and like one of his old, like seventies cars that we used to like kind of cruise around in. And what a fucking super group that was too. Like George Harrison, uh, Roy Orbison, wasn't Dylan in it. Yeah. Yeah. He was, um, Sean, what's your Tom Petty experience? My Tom Petty experience. Oh, shit. Sean Sushi's Sean. Sean Sushi's Sean Petty. Your name is hard to say. Sean Sushi. That's how you say it. Sean Sushi. Sean Sushi. Saucy Sean. Saucy. Steve sounds drunk and he's just started one beer. I know. It must be all the crack he was smoking earlier. No, my experience with Tom Petty is I remember him from my childhood. He's always been kind of one of those, like Dave was saying, he's one of those artists that has cross-genre appeal, I feel like. I've never heard anybody say outright, like, I fucking hate Tom Petty, you know? I think I have, but it's like a contrarian metalhead that said it. The only person I've heard say it is my brother-in-law, and he listens to Stephen Crowder. So he can He can go fuck himself. Yeah, his opinions don't count. He's a nice guy, though. I don't know. I don't think I met him. No. He's fine. He just has some bad opinions. Oh, yeah. But yeah, I I remember watching Tom Petty videos in like the early nineties, like Last Dance with Mary Jane with Kim Basinger was in the video. You mean that Red Hot Chili Peppers song? Oh, hell yes. Oh, hell yeah. Oh, and what was the Alice in Wonderland song? Give it up. Stop. don't come around here no more yeah which is not on this album no that's okay this is this this album i'm looking at the track list does read like a grace hits album it's got a lot of He had so many hits off of this album and I knew it was his first solo album. If you ask a random person who doesn't know, you know, who doesn't like think about the artist much, name a Tom Petty song. They're going to say one of 3 songs from this record. Yeah. And I don't think we've said it yet. So we're going to do a nineteen eighty nine Tom Petty full moon fever. Yeah, I think it was 89. Although you might get a few people who will say American Girl from the Heartbreakers from his first record. Yeah, the first album. Yeah. American Girl. Which is a great song. That is a great song. I saw him performing that with Stevie Nicks one time. Oh, fuck yeah. I didn't see him see him because I've never seen him live, but there was a video of him doing it with Stevie Nicks. It was awesome. When I saw Fleetwood Mac, they had just fired Lindsey Buckingham, and they hired 2 replacement guitarists, and one of them was Mike Campbell from the Heartbreakers. And so they did a Tom Petty song, and it was really cool. Oh, that is cool. Yeah. And he had recently died, too, so they put a bunch of pictures of him also hanging out with the Fleetwood Mac people. Yeah. yeah tom was cool i mean he collaborated with a lot of people uh he was the backing band on one of johnny cash's albums the one where johnny cash covered won't back down no he was uh him and the heartbreakers were the backing band on the previous one and then yeah he was on that one as well yeah uh but yeah uh full moon fever uh i have it on cassette and this is the very same cassette that me and uh me and my dad would listen to this on together. So it's from like, yeah, and surprisingly, it still sounds great. I would have assumed it was Warped by now, but me and Dave listened to it when he was hanging out with me after my dad passed. On my old stereo system, so now we're going to hear it in High definition. Yeah, because I borged my dad's stereo system into mine, so now I've got all sorts of fancy stuff. I've got a Sony amplifier, an Audio-Technica record player that automatically puts the needle on when I press start, and a JVC cassette player that will high-speed copy cassettes to another cassette. player that will high-speed copy cassettes to another cassette, which I might actually use, like, when we do illiterate stuff, I might actually dub some of our stuff onto cassette for fun. Oh. And then you fine people can not buy them. Yeah. I never buy cassettes at shows, even if they're, like, cheap at the table, because it's like, where am I going to listen to this on? I've never been particularly nostalgic for cassettes. And I think maybe it's because I've heard so many that have been, like, warped and shitty and whatnot. I hated cassettes. I remember hating them as a kid because before CDs came out. Because, you know, you'd be listening to an album and then all of a sudden, yeah, it like fucking eats the fucking tape. I've had so many bad experiences with cheap cassette players that eat the tape. I think that's probably a big part of it. Because like here with this nice one that I've been using, I kind of appreciate the mechanical nature of it. It's kind of fun. But, yeah, it comes with a lot more bullshit than a CD or even a vinyl record. Yeah, because a vinyl record, you just put the needle on, and once it gets to the end, it's done. I mean, there is instances where people have scratched a record with a needle because they didn't know how to fucking work it. But that was user error. When it's actually the machine that's fucking up, that's when it's annoying. and that just like that cassettes usually just age poorly like eventually they just they break down in ways that uh records and cds do not yeah exactly so cd i would i would argue cds do a little bit because like they get damaged over time yeah Yeah, but if you take care of them, an actual press CD, I think, lasts generations. Oh, yeah. Burnt CDs, I think, suffer from disc rot at a higher rate. I think it's because people don't give a fuck about burnt CDs. Well, that too, yeah. I got this for free. I initially said on social media that the first cassette we were going to do was the Queensryche one, but our guest wasn't able to make it to that one, so it's been pushed to the next season. So, yeah. Well, fuck him anyways. first That's not very nice to Jacob. Oh, it was Jacob? Fucking twice. But then to do, like, a cassette that means something to you personally, like, after a tragedy, I don't know. It's fitting. Yeah. It's beautiful, man. So apparently this was a birthday present from both my mom and me. At least that's what my dad told me. To which I said, Dad, I don't think I was involved in that decision. Yeah. You might have been at the store with your mom. What do you think about this one? I want a cookie. Yeah, you would have been 2, right? Yeah. Unless they bought it like a few years afterwards, but That's possible. As far as I know, as far back as my memory goes, this cassette tape has been in my life, so I was probably like 2 or 3. You were probably trying to discreetly throw candy into the grocery cart. All right. So I set off Mike earlier that this album has a little bit of controversy or controversy. I turned to Sean Connery for a second. A little bit of controversy around it. Oh, money punny. In that this is technically a solo record. However, most of the Heartbreakers play on it, except the drummer, Stan. He does not like this album. He's very vocal about it. I wonder why. He was having problems with Tom Petty at the time, and I think that's kind of why this album exists, is he was just having some fun writing music and then he just gathered together his musician friends and suddenly he's got a solo album with most of the heartbreakers on it. So, which I mean, I can relate. I've asked both of you to be on my solo material. Um, and, uh, I asked Andrew to be on one, so he's technically on one that I haven't released yet. So I didn't leave anybody out. What's funny is after this album made it big, from what I understand, this one kind of revitalized his career. So when they were touring, of course he had to play songs from this record. Nobody was showing up to see Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers and wondering You wouldn't have been able to get away with that playing at least 3 songs off this record at a live show. People would have been mad if he hadn't done Free Fallin'. But the drummer, I suppose I understand his point of view on this one. He said, I feel like I'm playing cover songs. Well, yeah. So, yeah, I'm understanding of that. I feel like I would have just put up with it myself. So when one of you has a highly successful solo project and you don't ask me to drum on it, I won't give you guys shit about it. I mean, it's probably an ego thing because, like Because Tom Petty cut him out completely for this album. Probably, he was saying, I need a break from the Heartbreakers, but in a sense, he's probably saying, like, I need a break from you, motherfucker. Well, yeah, because I think Mike Campbell is on most, if not all, of these songs. Yeah, although, yeah, not every member of the Heartbreakers is on every song. Yeah. Yeah, in fact, there's a lot of traveling Wilbury members on this, too, like George Harrison's on it, Roy Orbison's on it. He pretty much just threw a bunch of his musician friends together on it, and it ended up being a fucking fantastic record. Ringo Starr is in the video for I Won't Back Down, but he doesn't play on the song. Yeah. That always was weird to me. He's, like, even very prominent in the video, too. Yeah. He's messing around with that giant globe or whatever. Yeah, yeah. And then the guitar player is playing Rocky, George Harrison's psychedelic guitar, like the solo. Yeah. I've never seen the video. It's a good video. Oh, yeah, it's a great video. I'm just joking around. But yeah, just looking at, like you said, the lineup of songs, it's amazing what he came up with for this album. The first song by him I ever heard was probably Free Fallin'. You know where I think I remember Free Fallin' prominently was in Jerry Maguire. Oh, yeah. He's switching the station trying to find the perfect song, and then he hears Free Fallin' by Tom Petty. And he's like, I'm free! Free Vines! So, you like Jerry Maguire, don't you? I've never seen it. Really? Maybe we should watch it on Laserdisc. I'm only familiar with the Patton Oswalt bit, where his Was it Patton Oswalt? His brother like stood up and yelled, fuck you at it or something. Like during the big emotional speech or whatever that's in it. That could be Patton Oswalt. That could be Brian Posehn. I don't know. I can see that in either of their sets. That's hilarious. His brother got so pissed off. Fuck you. Is that the You Complete Me scene? I think so. You want to hear something funny? I remember seeing Jerry Maguire in the theater. For some reason, my mom and dad wanted to see it, so they took me to the theater to see it. Were you bored? When Jerry Maguire came out? Yeah. Yeah, it came out in No, I said, were you bored? Because I can't imagine watching that movie as a little kid. You know, I just like movies, so I watched it. I remember the one scene where they're fucking against the like bookshelf or whatever yeah i remember that and like my parents are like trying to hide my eyes and i'm like yeah i'm fucking yeah i don't know i don't remember it came out like I don't know. It was fine. Yeah. I don't remember being bored, but I remember it being put out as a comedy, but it ended up being a romantic comedy kind of thing. Yeah, everyone thought it was just a comedy and then it turned out to be a romantic comedy. Yeah, I remember people liked it. I just, you know, thought like as a kid or even like a teenager, it's just not It's a grown-up movie about grown-ups doing grown-up things. Yeah, I mean, I was Like I said, I liked movies, so I watched crazy shit back then. My dad, I never had a filter on, speaking of dads, I never had a filter on what I watched. We'd watch whatever he wanted to watch. So I remember watching some pretty like advanced shit, probably when I was like 8 years old, like, like casino. Uh, well I was, when, when did casino came out? Cause I was older, but I remember watching casino and not being, and not being old enough to watch it. But I remember buying Scarface when I was like, like from Best Buy and they didn't even check my ID. Nice. They didn't do that shit back then. They didn't check IDs for movies. Yeah, my parents, they never curated what I was watching early. Well, the MPAA isn't a legal institution. There's nothing saying that a 6yearold can't buy an R-rated movie. Well, that was the thing that I remember. I think it was after the South Park movie. We're going on a whole tangent here. Yeah. I remember it was after the South Park movie. All of a sudden, in Best Buy, I got ID'd for buying an album that had an explicit content rating on it. Not the law. That's censorship. But yeah. And I'm like, they're like, you have to be 17 to buy this album. I'm like, what? Fuck you. Fuck. And I'm like, hey, Ma! Hey, Ma! Hey, Ma, can you buy me this old dirty bastard record? Hey, buy me the new Alice in Chains album. Motherfucker. Or I don't remember what it was. But I just remember, like, you're fucking carding me for this shit? Because I'd never been carded before. And I was never carded going to a movie theater until the South Park movie came out. Yeah. And it's not like Media doesn't warp people's minds the way people say it does. It's just there. You either deal with it or you don't. And if you don't deal with it, then you leave. Were they in front of the House or whatever when they had a bunch of musicians come in and speak? Because Frank Zappa went in front of them and just raked them over the coals, basically. Was it the House or the Senate? It was the House. Okay, yeah. It was Because I think it was the Tipper Gore shit. Yeah. Yeah. Because I remember seeing Dee Snider doing it. Like you said, Frank Zappa. A bunch of people. Jello Biafra was on, what, Donahue? Yeah. He was on Donahue with Tipper Gore and, like, fucking basically calling her out for all of her bullshit. Yeah. Yeah, Jello was facing like a criminal obscenity charge, too. Yeah, for freaking Christ. Yeah, which is a great album. One of the best Dead Kennedys records. And it wasn't what introduced me to H.R. Giger. That was Alien. Yeah, but there's I don't know if you know it, Steve. There's a In Frank and Christ by the Dead Kennedys, there's a Inside cover is a painting of H.I. Gager, whatever his name is. And it's like a bunch of dicks and vaginas. It's called Penis Landscape. It's a great painting, honestly. It's But, like, he That dude just, like, drew, like, fucked up shit. I mean, he was the guy that came up with, like, the design for Alien and stuff, so He just had this crazy mind, like, cyberpunk-type mind. He was Dutch. Yeah. If that explains anything. Yeah. Well, I mean, Geiger paintings have been on a bunch of metal covers, too, so I'm very familiar. Yeah, he But yeah. And so because of that painting, that was it wasn't even on the outside. It was on the inside. Yeah. And they got charged with obscenity. The FBI raided the alternative tentacles office and got like and got a hold of Jell-O's contacts book. So that's how the FBI got the phone numbers for every eighties punk band. Ridiculous. All right. Before we get back into the album, since this episode is probably about as much about my dad as it is about Tom Petty, I thought it'd be funny if you guys had any stories to share about him since you've been part of my life for a while. The funniest story recently that I can really tell about your dad was when when your partner Dana had that was hosting the camp muddy pods thing last year, you know, she very specifically had a no booze, no meat rule. And all of us We're good friends and honored that your dad did not. Your dad snuck it. Well, he overtly brought in, you know, like salad dressing, like blue cheese and ranch. But he covertly had like a like a plastic like grocery store container of fried chicken that he would sneak out off to the car and start eating. And the reason why I knew he did that is he got the attention of my dog, Bobby, while he was doing it. And Bobby followed him and was sitting by him while he was discreetly eating chicken and begging. What's funny is I had no idea that happened until you told me, like, very recently. Yeah. I was a dick, though, to Dana, and she They said, like, don't You know, no meat and whatever. I'm like, if I pay extra, can I have meat? Yeah. And she's like, fuck you. Yeah, she gave you a death stare. I Well, I'm just not I don't I'm not vegan, so Like, it's kind of weird when I wish I could be. I would legitimately commit to it if I didn't have autistic hangups with my eating habits. But unfortunately, I hate textures that I'm unfamiliar with, and that's like every vegan food. Except for like, I like the fake chicken. The fake chicken tastes like chicken to me. Well, especially since the fake chicken that's meant to imitate, you know, like chicken nuggets, because that's not That's not great meat to begin with. Yeah. I think she gave us chicken sandwiches and I said, oh, do you have mayonnaise? And she just looked at me like Vegan mayo is all right for the most part. I was asking for real mayonnaise. I know. Yeah. But yeah. Like for vegan things. Yeah. Fake chicken and mayonnaise are the best thing to do is to do like food that like Indian food, something that was meant to not include meat in the first place. But yeah, I, I'm just, I'm bad. It's like I said, I, I know it's funny. I'm just riffing on the whole thing. No, I'm just saying, I'm just, I'm a bad friend. So when it comes to the whole vegan stuff, but anyways uh let me see dad's story dad's story i remember one of the first shows that he came to and i was doing i did uh it was when i was doing like a solo song at the end and i was singing the black rider and you guys came up and tackled me And he was like, and he actually was kind of mad about it. Cause he was like, he was rocking until you guys fucked it up. And then, uh, one of the first things he ever said to me was, uh, Oh man, I really like your truck, dude. Yeah. Uh, He was a car guy. So, yeah. So, yeah. But I just, I remember, uh, I think the funniest thing was he came over here one band practice and started mowing your lawn. And I was telling, and I said, I said to him, like, I wish my dad would mow the lawn, but he's fucking, he's, he's just, he's has a free place to stay for 6 fucking years and hasn't done anything. Yeah. Well, the joke is my dad has passed away and his ashes are sitting on my shelves. I said he's a freeloading bastard. He thinks just because he's dead doesn't mean he doesn't have to contribute. And then your dad started laughing at that. Yeah, those are the kind of jokes that he really likes. One thing I really liked about Dad is he was kind of like a comedian cover band. He just remembered all these bits that he liked from comedians, so he would just deliver them to you, just trying to make people laugh and stuff. All right. He was a very nice guy. He was. I always liked seeing him at our shows and stuff. Yeah. Always real easy to talk to. He was a really big supporter of Megaton early on. There was a point where Megaton was fighting with another local band, and they had their dad, well, one of their dads managing them. And so anytime they got on the bill, I would bring my dad because I'd be like, my dad manager is tougher than your dad manager. Yeah. you can beep out the name um but what's it was yeah i remember those fucks and what's really funny is years later the guy uh the guy i think is either friends or well he's he's at least got a co-worker with adam and so i've uh been around him a lot since then the dad uh And he's actually pretty cool. And I remember him telling me one time, oh, yeah, that singer's a big dickhead. So it was all the singer. I'm not surprised it was all the singer. He was the only one that really seemed like a dickhead. Well, that guy had such a big chip on his shoulder. Like, he hated Megaton, which, fine, we kind of sucked back then. But, like, I've I've been friends with people whose bands I don't like. You don't have to be a dick to somebody just because you don't like their music. I even tried to give them an olive branch one time because he had a Black Sabbath XIII shirt on. I was like, oh yeah, hey man, nice shirt. He gave me this look. And then he's like, yeah, thanks. Like, he was basically, he was a wannabe Phil Anselmo. Like, a hundred percent. Same personality. Like, how dare you talk to me? Yeah. And, you know, I was just trying to be nice because, well, and back then I was having, like, emotional problems over the whole thing. And, like, I even made, like, a public post saying that we'll never play with them again. That got passed around to promoters and shit. Right. Well, we're so much fun drama back in the day on Facebook. Yeah. I think I remember them because I remember the dad manager thing, which was fucking weird. Yeah. I'm like And I remember the only show I played with them, they took fucking forever to set up. I'm like, what the fuck is the hold up here? Because I'm like, dude, we're not playing a huge fucking show. We're playing in the basement of a fucking bar. Yeah, I think they had like some giant rack drum set too. Yeah, we were down in the, we were playing in the Down Under Lounge, which is the smallest fucking venue and you had to carry your shit downstairs. And I'm like, dude, I got up there and I'm like, hurry the fuck up. Because they're all younger than me, so I was probably about the same age as their dad. Because they were young kids, right? That's what I remember. I think they were around my age, a little younger. You're all youngins to me. But I was like, hurry the fuck up. we want to play tonight, you know? Cause that's the thing. If you're on a bill with like 4 other bands, you need to like, you need to know how to break your shit down fast and set your shit up fast. Set your shit up fast, drag it off stage immediately and break it down while the next band is playing. Yeah. I remember Rob, our old bass player, one of the nicest guys like ever was just like so disappointed that like they weren't nice to us. And he was just like, man, I really want to like their band, but Just can't with the way they act. That Dakota accent that he had. I don't know if he's back in town. If he is, we should get Rob on the podcast sometime. We should. That reminds me of somebody else that He like this, like because when I was doing lighting and sound, there was this guy that would do he was a cover band, but he was like a big draw. And I did lighting for him every once in a while. And he just was kind of a douchebag. And I wonder if it's who I'm thinking of. Do you remember the name? Billy something. Billie Eilish. Billie Eilish. Wow, you met Billie Eilish. She would have been like 6 years old. I don't know. I don't want to say too much because then I'm just basically calling this dude out. I would have beeped it out. It wasn't who I was thinking of. But yeah, he like He would like he he had his girlfriend managing him. And maybe it was the guy. 11 time we were in downtown CB and like he had a he because he couldn't remember all the lyrics because they did a ton of covers he had like a little monitor that would bring up the lyrics and the guitar chords yeah and uh the monitor like fucked up like burnt out and he like blamed it on his fucking girlfriend i'm like fuck you dude oh my god like you he was like getting all bitchy and stuff and then like went and sat in the car So his girlfriend had to drive to Target and buy a new fucking monitor for his ass. That reminds me of when Andrew Tate was interviewing Hassan Abiy, and he kept throwing tantrums and taking off his headphones, and his co-host had to be like, oh, Hassan, you pissed him off again. He's not going to put his headphones back on for a while. I'm like, everybody looks to this guy as a masculinity influencer. Like, seriously. Oh, my God. Andrew Tate needs his balls cut off. Yeah. Yeah. So it was contaminate the rest of the world. It was so funny when he got arrested for, uh, because they figured out what pizza joint he was ordering from though. What an idiot. Um, another cool story about my dad and we might retell this, uh, next time we have Adam on, but, Adam does like solo acoustic shows or at least he used to. Now he's a rapper. But before he used to do solo acoustic shows. And one time he was playing. I think he was opening for Megaton or something. And he played Copperhead Road. And my dad walked up, said how much he loved the song, handed him 20 dollars. That's awesome. So you know, Adam, uh, tells that story, uh, a lot. And those 2 got along great. Like they would, they would hang out when I wasn't around. Like he would just go over to his house and stuff. And, um, um, yeah. Uh, early Megaton practices are all in the, in his old basement. Um, which is thinking back now, I'm like, I can't believe they put up with that. Yeah. So, you know, um, One thing I'm trying to do is make sure that my stepmom knows that just because my dad has passed doesn't mean I don't consider her family still or anything. Because the guy at the mortuary said that happens way too often. I'm like, Sandy supported me as much, maybe even more than my dad did. I mean, I wouldn't have been able to go to college without her. Like I said, they let me play in their basement at full show volume for practice and stuff. For the most part, I've heard you talk about Sandy more than your birth mom. Yeah. Yeah. Let's see. I think that's all we got for now. Next week, I want to do the Kraftwerk Autobahn album. And I promise, Dave, that's the only time I'll pick an album for you. I don't mind picking that album for me. That's a great one. Yeah, I knew that one was right up your alley. So I'll probably wrangle up some more stories for that. So let's move on to the cover. Who wants to do the cover? I'm closer. Okay. Uh, it is Tom Petty and it says Tom Petty and pink letters on a black background. And then like a little, uh, like gradient, uh, like pink into like teal with various shades of orange in between, uh, with a picture of him with a Rickenbacker. Uh, it looks like a six string. Um, it says full moon fever. I wonder if that's the same Rickenbacker on, I think it's a different one. That is a different one. Yeah, that one's solid body. This one looks hollow body to me. Brickenbacher is a great guitar for the kind of music he plays. He's got that little jangle, got that little twang. Yeah, it's a good cover. It's a solid cover. It's The color scheme makes it pop, but it's, you know, like, a good picture of him. Sean, do you want to look at the inside? Sure. Another funny story is I'm getting together a tribute release for my dad. I'm going to cover I Won't Back Down for it. And so I picked a guitar out of my collection that looks like a Reckenbacher. Like, it's a Chinese, like, copy. Well, not even a copy. It just vaguely looks like a Reckenbacher. And after I recorded the song, I realized that my mom bought me that guitar and my parents have been divorced for a very long time so i thought good that was ironic i also use my telecaster though so yeah uh so the inside uh looks like a native american looking at industrial stuff like i don't see a tear going down his eye though Yeah, it must be too much pollution. I was going to say he's not actually an Italian in disguise. Yeah. And he's and then it also has like full moon fever looking kind of like you see on like an old dime store. Written like an old dime store. Text. And then you can see Tom Petty and then Rickenbacker. And then there's a picture of Tom Petty with guitars and drums behind him. And then there's a tarot card where it says the moon. The moon, the sun, and the stars. I don't remember if that's a bad one or a good one to draw. I know the tower is a bad one. So The personnel in here is Tom Petty, lead and backing vocals, acoustic and electric, 6 string and 12 string, some keyboards and tambourine. Mike Campbell, guitar solos, mandolin, bass, slide guitar and keyboards. Jeff Lynn, bass, guitars, keyboards and backing vocals. uh phil jones drums and percussion george harrison acoustic guitar and backing vocals on i won't back down uh jim keltner on drums maracas and tambourine on love and uh long road howie epstein not a good name background vocals on i won't back down and love is a long road release the howie files Release the Howie files. Ben Mont text. Tench. Tench. There you go. Piano on the apartment song. It's really small because it's the cassette. It's like really small to read. Kelsey Campbell on It's just a scream on Zombie Zoo. Hey, he was talking about zombies before it was cool. Yeah. Roy Orbison backing vocals with Trembling Blenders on Zombie Zoo. And Alan Wendell and Jeff Lynn TP hand claps on feel a whole lot better. That's a lot of fucking people. Yeah, holy shit. Speaking of Roy Orbison, when I was listening to Traveling Wilburys in the car a week or 2 ago, he might be some of my favorite contributions to those albums because he's got kind of like this eighties goth sound. And I don't think that's what he was going for, but I'm assuming he influenced that movement. Pretty woman walking down the street. The production on this album was headed by Jeff Lynn with Tom Petty and Mike Campbell. This album, what's interesting is MCA Records initially refused to issue the album because they believed it did not contain any hits. It's like the 3 big hits off of this are the most accessible Tom Petty songs there are, too. Seriously, I can't imagine hearing those songs and not going like, we're sitting on gold right here, but I suppose this was the late eighties. Well, yeah, I guess, because the eighties had a different, like, I know this, I know this album, but so the eighties at that time, like the late eighties, or it's all the glam hair shit. So I can't imagine a song by Poison playing right next to Free Falling. Because it's going to be completely different sounding. And then all of a sudden, Tom Petty, because I'm free. Have you ever heard of the band The Moog Cookbook? I've heard of them. Yeah. And like in the early nineties, they did a lot of what was, you know, like currently popular songs, covers on analog synths. So they had like Free Fallen and I think Buddy Holly by Weezer. So like late eighties, early nineties stuff, Black Hole Sun. And then their next one was a classic rock one where they played like Bowie, Led Zeppelin. van halen type stuff and they're both pretty good but yeah they're um yeah their version their version of free fallen was really good though okay uh let's see we'll talk about side one here so this one kind of reads like a greatest hits collection it's uh free fallen i won't back down love is a long road a face in the crowd and running down a dream jesus christ yeah Those, Free Falling, I Won't Back Down, and Running Down a Dream, 3 fucking huge songs. When I say, if you ask the average person to name a Tom Petty song, those are the 3 I'm thinking of. Yeah, yeah. Running Down a Dream was even like the name of like, wasn't there a documentary on Petty called Running Down a Dream? Yeah, which I wanted to watch, but it's on a streaming service I don't have. And our streaming model is fucking garbage for movies. Yar! What streaming? Oh, I forget. Just one that I don't have. I think it was Netflix, which it's annoying because my parents have it, but they won't let me log into it anymore. We can make a criminal conspiracy when the mics are off. Well, I was going to say, if we could watch it, like, come on over. The recording process, according to Wikipedia, in 1988 was a low key affair with many of Petty's friends contributing, basically recorded in Mike Campbell's garage. And Petty said it was the most enjoyable record of his career. And I think it really comes through in the music. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Those 3 are big songs and great songs. My favorite Tom Petty songs are Heartbreakers ones, but I love this record. I love the 3 big hits off of it. I love the other tracks, too. This is a great, great record, and they kind of needed it at this point. in his career because they were, they were on a bit of a down slope until this came out. Like if you like that greatest hit records that I have, like there are no tracks from the albums in between the one that had, um, don't come around here no more in this one. Like, so yeah, it was like, uh, it brought them out of a slump. The songs are great. They have a great energy to it. I wouldn't mind playing them live if I hadn't played on the record. From what I understand, Wilburys were more relevant than Tom Petty by himself at that point. And then this record just broke all that Because he was, up until he died, he was still very popular in filling up arenas. Yeah. Yeah. Like, they wouldn't have, like, I don't think they would have stayed relevant enough for songs like later, like Heartbreaker songs, like Learning to Fly and Mary Jane's Last Dance really have taken off the way they did if it wasn't for this record. Yeah. We're not going to hear this today, but apparently on the original CD copy of this, there's a hidden track in the pre-gap of track 6. So like in the middle of the CD where Tom Petty just comes in and says, Hello, CD listeners. We've come to the point in this album where those listening on cassette or records will have to stand up or sit down and turn over the record or tape. In fairness, those listeners will now take a few seconds before we begin side 2. thank you. Here's side 2. That's funny and great. Yeah. But yeah, it doesn't need to, you know, it doesn't, it's not essential listening. It's just a great little thing. Yeah. I don't think I've ever heard this album on CD, so I've never actually heard that. Okay. I think that's all we got to talk about. Oh, one side note. Since I heard this album, since basically I was a little teeny tiny kid, I have a really funny memory of imagining, uh, uh anytime i hear running down a dream i picture one of those like coin donation bins they used to have in like the lobbies of uh grocery stores where you put the coin in and it goes around in a spiral until it goes down the center so i'd always picture a little guy running around one of those while listening to running down a dream so stupid childhood memories and we are back from side one of Full Moon Fever. What did you guys think? Terrible. Sean here with the hot takes. What the fuck do you have me listening to? Great, great side of music. 3 iconic tracks, one gem, one underrated gem, and one song that was just okay. I think I agree with your assessment a hundred percent. Yeah. Yeah. Next side. Thanks for tuning in everyone. No, it was, it was good. Good, good, good stuff. Like, uh, I, I don't think I've heard the other 2 songs all that much, but, uh, Yeah, the main 3 songs, of course, I don't know how the record company could hear those and not think, oh, I can't picture their mindset on that one. Those 3 are such iconic songs, too, like iconic rock singles. I don't know. Is it just because we know that they're big hits now? I knew they were something special the first time I heard each one of them, though. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, just hearing them, I don't know. I don't know how you could be like, oh, that sucks. Yeah, I can't wrap my head around it. Yeah, Free Fallin' was the first song by Tom Petty or Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers that I ever heard. And I remember when I was a teenager, I heard that and thought, I need to hear more by this guy. Yeah. Yeah. It kind of reminds me of the record label that passed on the Beatles by saying that guitar music was on the way out. Yeah. They must have had a different mindset. Maybe it's because hair metal was the big thing. I mean, this was this was 88. So I guess grunge hadn't really become relevant yet. Yeah. Now this is still when hair metal was a thing. Yeah. Ironically, Deckard Records was the, they picked up the Rolling Stones. Oh, yeah. We ain't making that mistake twice. Yeah. But, like, I could also see running down a dream, like, in between a bunch of hair metal songs. I don't see that sticking out like a sore thumb during that period. Yeah, because it's such a driving beat. Like, well, it's a driving song, driving beat, all that jazz. Yeah. Bizarre. Bizarre. iconic like it took a guy dying for us to get this record yeah yeah people don't give it up very often yeah classic for a reason like yeah enormous iconic rock songs i think it's fitting that uh i've really heard this one a lot when me and my dad were cruising around town because it's it's a great driving album especially this side i'd say uh yeah i mean of course the the last song uh running down a dream i don't know why i had to look at that but the last song running down a dream uh like almost like quintessential driving song i would say yeah i was fine all right so track by track uh the opener free fallen great song Never go anywhere. Yeah. So, quick roommate story before we talk about the song itself. So, this wasn't the Slipknot guy, but my Dream Theater roommate and I had one roommate who was, like, for a while, who was just, like, a real prude. And kind of a racist, but that doesn't tie into this. But, like, who was, like, a real prude. And so we would sing this song to him only as free-balling, and he would, like, No! No! Ha ha ha ha! I will say for years I did sing it free-balling instead of free-falling, which I think is a good lyric. I know it's not the lyric, but I like free-balling. Free-balling is good. Sometimes you just got to let it hang. Just got to hang some brain, man. I think on this song he does such a great job with the lyrics of setting up the scene. You're just picturing this innocent young woman. I could see her in my head. And then you just imagine her going for the bad boy or whatever. And he doesn't even miss her. Yeah. Yeah. And she loves Jesus in America, too. She loves horses and is crazy about Elvis. It's funny, I know women that are like that. You know women that love Jesus? In America, too. Didn't you date one for a while? Yeah. Probably a good example, actually. Yeah. You don't even miss her. I miss one thing about her. Yeah. Well, I'm surprised about you, Steve. This podcast has been pretty PG until now. Speaking of, did you hear about the guy at the Korn concert that got caught jerking it? Yeah. The picture of him is so great. He looks so mad. I like the There was on the System of a Down subreddit, somebody posted a picture of him and it said, dude didn't even wait till Siguru. I like it that like reading the news story about it, learning that he was 37 years old. Well, he said he was he was jerking it to blind. I mean, that's what they say that if they jerk it, they go blind. I can see I'm going blind. You know, I remember being in my I remember being in my twenties and having a hard time keeping a lid on that sometimes. But I could not imagine whipping my dick out in an arena while a band is playing. I love it that someone punched him and that person never got charged. Like, good. It's like, dude, just go to the bathroom. Yeah. Go behind a pillar like Anyway. Anyway, yeah, free-falling. I don't really I guess I don't know what That guy's free-falling right now. Yeah. I love One thing that I noticed He's letting some free-fall. That I really caught while listening to it on your dad's excellent sound system. Well, yours borged with your dad. Yeah. Well, it's yours now, yeah. I really liked the I've always really liked the lush acoustic and undistorted Rickenbacker at the beginning, but this time the fact that the bass wasn't playing root notes, that it was harmonizing with the guitar really stood out and it sounded great. I think that's part of the reason why that makes that song. Yeah. It sounds so, you know, like layered and lush is just like the use of harmonies, not just with the bass, but also with like the layered vocal harmonies. And just like, there's like, everyone's doing something different and there's a lot of tracks and it sounds really cool. It sounds, it sounds, it sounds huge and spacious and, but very intimate as a result. This only applies to my personal copy of this, but the sound on this is actually great for how old this cassette is. The only time I noticed a little bit of warping was like at the beginning of Free Fallen, and that's it. Yeah. I don't know. Do you think that makes cassettes endearing or annoying? Endearing when it's like this. Annoying if it's a lot. I should show you my copy of Judas Priest's Sin After Sin at the end of one of the tracks. It becomes almost Vaporwave Rob Halford. So, I don't know. It's annoying, but I was also like, this kind of rules, actually. Yeah. Well, that's kind of what Vaporwave was kind of made about, adding that, you know, weird tape effects to elevator music, basically. Yeah. We need to do a Vaporwave album next season. We do. I fucking love Vaporwave. Yeah. In fact, we should Vaporwave Paul D'Anno's album because I think it would be a perfect candidate for it. It would. I liked that little crunchy guitar at the end where it And then the vocal harmonies all come back and that's great. But yeah, this is great. This was my favorite Tom Petty song when I first started getting into him because it was the first song that I heard It's not my all-time favorite anymore. I think my all-time favorite is Is probably even the losers off of damn the put torpedoes, but like this is great song It hits me in the nostalgia, but it's still like holds up and I still notice little things about it on different listens Yeah, so So Tom Petty said after the label initially rejected the song, like idiots, and told him, he said what he did was he waited 6 months and then took the same song back to him and they loved it. Ha ha The difference between like late nineteen eighty eight and early 19 89, I guess. Yeah. He's like, I just waited 6 months and brought it back to him. That's fucking great. All right. Any more thoughts on free falling on free balling? I wish you wouldn't do it in front of us, Steve. Are you ready, Sean? Are you ready? Did I peak it? No. I think I've already blown my voice out today. As you can kind of tell, I sound a little rougher. All right. Next one. Uh, probably my favorite Tom Petty song. Uh, I won't back down. Uh, we'll, we'll tie this back in with my dad. Cause this song just reminds me of him so much. Like he, he was the kind of person that did not like injustice. Um, When he was a welder for a trailer company, he joined the union. Or he not only joined the union, but he became a union representative. So he would fight with the suits on people's behalf and that kind of stuff. And that really bled into a lot more of his life. I remember one time he, uh, got me out of some credit card debt by pretending he didn't know where I was and just basically just said, look, I don't know where Steve is right now, but I'll give you this amount to write it off. And they took it. So in a lot of ways he was just kind of like my, my, he could have been a lawyer, I think in another lifetime. Yeah. And I don't know that attitude, Yeah, it just really reminds me of him. And that's why I'm putting together a tribute release for him that I'll probably put out probably later down the line because I'm getting musicians together for that one. And I'm covering this song for it. It's just a great song to listen to when you're mad, too. Yeah. Well, again, anytime I'm dealing with a sense of injustice or something, this song just reminds me of that like yeah like like union leaders and stuff like that and like there ain't no easy way out it's like yeah there's no easy way way out so you just fight through it yeah you don't back down this yeah this is definitely my favorite tom petty song as well i guess it's I'm reading it was about someone, he wrote it because someone tried to set fire to his house while he was eating breakfast. Oh, God. And he's just like, the incident, it scared the shit out of me, you know? Yeah, I think I also remember him saying that he He was worried about how personal it was when he put it out, which I can't picture like listening to the lyrics because like nothing like bitter or anything comes through on that one, really. It's really an aspirational song, I think. If I had to guess, he's probably writing it because like, you know, they tried to wipe him out and he's like, fuck you, motherfucker. Yeah. Yeah. There's definitely a fuck you, I live song. Stand me up at the gates of hell, but I won't back down. Great choice of a song for Johnny Cash to cover, honestly. I love his version, too. Like with the previous song, I love the layered vocal harmonies. They're so good. They're a bit slicker. Heartbreakers used vocal harmonies, too, but these are a bit slicker and both in the delivery and the production side. They they add a lot to it. Yeah. Yeah. All right, the next one, Love is a Long Road. Good song, not a great song. Yeah, this is the one that I said was just okay. Yeah, I get it, but you're also coming off of 2 fantastic songs. Yeah. It's hard to come off those 2 high points, and then you're like, okay, this song's going down a little bit. But I still think it's a good song. It's, like you said, just not a great song. Yeah. Sounds a little more like arena rock than the last 2, too. And I can't help but say the long and winding road. Yeah, it's not timeless. You know, it sounds like it came out in 19 89. The others sound like they could have come out in any year since the invention of the electric guitar. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Couldn't put it better myself. And then that leads to the more underrated track, A Face in the Crowd. I really like the vibe of this one, I think. I think, like, I keep saying a goth band, but I could picture, like, a goth band or something covering this. Yeah. It was like a ballad, but not in a boring way. Yeah. Yeah. It was definitely It was more a Bob Dylan song, I think we were saying during Yeah. I remember on a recent Behind the Bastards episode, Robert said something like, nobody likes ballads. I'm like, well just picky about ballads. I like them when they're done good. I don't like it when half an album is ballad. Oh, yeah. We're looking at you, the eighties. Yeah. Yeah, this was like a this is the one that i called the underrated song um although like sean when you said it was dylan usk while we were listening to it i started singing i won't back down as bob dylan hey baby ain't no easy way out we're doing like blonde on blonde dylan there yeah i i could i could do like really late era dylan and I think the picking on the guitar on this song I think really stood out. I think that's what makes it just a notch better than normal. I also liked how sometimes when you expected the vocal melody to zig, it zagged. Yeah. Yeah, I think it was my favorite non-hit song. Yeah. Of the 2 songs that aren't iconic monster hits, this was the better one. But yeah, it was the underrated gem. And like you said, kind of like Dylan, Tom Petty in a lot of ways reminds me of if Bob Dylan could actually sing. Yeah. Well, didn't He toured with Dylan for a while. Dylan was in the Traveling Wilderberries. Yeah. His voice does have a few of the quirks of Dylan's. He just controls it better. Yeah. Well, Dylan's always been very nasally. Yeah. And so is Petty. Petty's a little He has some nasal Ask things. Yeah. I want to swing back to I won't back down real quick because I wanted to talk about the the Sam Smith controversy. Oh, yeah. So in 20 15, a pop artist named Sam Smith released a song that had basically the same vocal melody. I should have played it for you. You know, we'll circle back to that. Yeah. Yeah. Because I know that guy. He did the. He had the song with um like uh at the body shop doing unholy yeah that's the song with uh ken petras yeah remind me at the end decide b to play that one but Okay, and then the last one, Running Down a Dream. Just one of the coolest rock songs ever. The guitar riff on that one is just It's the epitome of cool, in my opinion. Great driving song. I also liked how the acoustic guitar really only came in after delivering a line from the chorus. Running down a dream. Never would come to me. Yeah, it really works with dynamics, which I think makes it a more powerful song. Yeah. Well, and that steady beat that the drummer has on it, where it's like You know. Yeah. Makes it And the drummer on this one, I think he's simple, but a lot like Ringo, he's just the backbone of it. Yeah. Yeah. On my cover of, I won't back down. I thought about like jazzing up the drums. It just doesn't work. No, I like one thing I liked too, is like an, on the verse, I liked like the little, like subtle, like there'd be like a single, like slide guitar note after delivering like a line from, uh, Delivering a line of lyrics, and then there'd be a little bit of an echo effect on his voice at the end of the line. Those 2 effects, the slide guitar with the vocal echoes, just sounded really cool together. Yeah, I agree. Guitar solo at the end ripped. I liked the eighties synth pads. They added a lot of texture, especially near the end. Yeah. all right so yeah that was uh side one um we will definitely talk about this more once we listen to the side but since we've you and me listened to this album uh a week or 2 ago and we noted that this side i think is the most heartbreakers this album is and we were you when i came over um or was it the other way around no i came over on sunday we were listening i'm talking about dave dave came over uh the next side uh doesn't have quite as many like recognizable songs like that you'd see in like a greatest hits collection or whatever and i think this is the side where uh they experimented a little bit more yeah this one like i think yeah the other side justifies it more as a solo record like the first side could have been like, those could be heartbreakers songs. The other side you can just see, Oh, okay. This is, this is why this is something different. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah. So we got, uh, feel a whole lot better. You're so bad. You probably think this song is about you. You're so bad. Depending on you. Yeah. Uh, that's the song depending on you. So bad was actually the 5th single from this album. The Apartment Song. I can't see through the tape here. All right for now. All right for now. A Mind With a Heart of Its Own and Zombie Zoo. A Face in the Crowd was also a single. Oh, was it? Yeah, it was the 4th single. So You're So Bad is the last single that was released on this. 5 singles off this record. Yeah. I don't know if it did as good as the other ones. Yeah. It's just 3 of them became huge monster hits. Yeah. I'm trying to see where it peaked just out of curiosity. It is funny. Oh, I don't hear any singles on this. It had 5 singles. Oh, it peaked at number 5. So it actually peaked higher than I won't back down. It just didn't have the longevity, I guess. Because I think I won't back down peaked at 14. Oh, and we listened to the Jokey track off of YouTube. What did you guys think of the Jokey track? It was fine. It is a good thing to have on the CD, but yeah. It was funny. I would have been really annoyed if I got an original copy of the CD because they didn't put it at the end of Running Down a Dream. They put it at the beginning of Feel a Whole Lot Better, so you can't just choose to skip it. Yeah. Which means you also can't put You Feel a Whole Lot Better on, like, a mixed CD. Yeah. Not without getting, like, Audacity out or whatever. Yeah. That would suck. Yeah. So, I don't know. It's funny, but whoever decided to put it at the beginning of that track, I think, might be in league with Satan. I mean, it still would suck at the end of Running Down a Dream, though. Probably the press next. Yeah. I liked the random animal noises. I liked what I thought was a sample from a movie, but you said it was a bandmate fucking around. Yeah. It said it like making cow sounds or something like that. Yeah. It was funny. I'm glad it exists. Not essential. Yeah. Yeah. Background of barnyard noises credited to Del Shannon. So, yeah, just his bandmate fucking around. All right. Let's throw on side 2. Here's side 2. Thank and for i won't back down is very very like uh well let's open usual let's open up with that like uh like the the sam smith song uh stay with me uh They say Tom Petty sued him over that. I personally don't think it was Tom Petty because there was an interview where he said, you know, I've been in the music studio enough to know that things like this happen. And, you know, a lot of times you catch it before it gets out. But this one got out. So I'm understanding of it. And he said we came to an agreement. So Tom Petty got songwriting credits for that song. But since they didn't sue the Red Hot Chili Peppers over the same thing, basically, I don't think the lawsuit came from Petty. I think it came from his label. Yeah, probably. That's my theory. What song was it that the Red Hot Chili Peppers? Let's see. It was Mary Jane's Last Dance sounded like. Which song did that sound like? I can hear it in my head. Oh. I like French spike lip paint and music is my aeroplane. It's my aeroplane. Yeah, I'm not very familiar with the Chili Peppers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's the song. You can bleep all that out. But yeah, I'm sad that I knew that. But yeah, Sam Smith, very different musical territory. He says he never heard it. His team claims they never heard it, which I don't believe that. I can't believe a producer had never heard that song. I mean, he is really young, so. Yeah. Oh, it's Danny California that allegedly ripped off Mary Jane's Last Dance. Oh. It does sound really similar from what I heard, but. I don't know, like, I don't remember that song. Yeah, Petty didn't sue, so yeah. But to me, that little bit, that's so, like, buried. How the fuck did they find it? that's so like buried how the fuck did they find it like the chords for e minor d and g e minor D, G, E minor, D, and C. Yeah, it's very common chords. Yeah, it's like almost all songs have a fucking E minor. Yeah. So, yeah. Because it's easy to fit with things and easy to play. Yeah. I saw a Reddit post when I was kind of reading into it. I saw a Reddit post that said somebody's like, hey, I noticed that Sam Smith's Stay With Me sounds kind of like Won't Back Down. Does anybody else hear that? And the first comment said Tom Petty heard it. All right, so we're back from side B of Full Moon Fever. Well, just for the record, though, staying with me sucks. Anyway. Yeah, it's not my style of music. Yeah, I know. The breathy piano ballad era. I suppose it's good for what it is, not my kind of music. We listened to it for 30 seconds and I almost fell asleep. Yeah. Yeah. All right, so we're back from side B of Full Moon Fever. What did you guys think? I got a fever! It was pretty good. I think I liked the first side a little more, but I do think there was like some hidden gems. And then there weren't any bad songs, but there were a couple songs that it was just kind of like, oh, all right, this is here. But yeah. Well, me and Dave were debating on which Beatles song the first song on the side sounded like. Yeah, and that was just a cover. I wouldn't have opened with the cover. I think it would have been fine near the middle or the end of the side. Yeah, I think You're So Bad would have been a way better opener than that. Yeah, that was a better song. You're So Bad was my most enjoyable song of this listen through because I've heard the 3 big monster hits so many times that this is the song that really stands out to me. Yeah, I really like that song, actually. I think my standout on this one is the apartment song. That one was good, too. That's a fun song. Those are really fun. Those are my 2 favorites on this side, honestly. Well, and I'll talk about it more when we get to it, but I found the lyrics to the apartment song to be really relatable. I'm a person that likes to spend a lot of time alone. So the line where it's like, I feel okay most of the time, but I just feel a little lonely tonight is something that happens to me a lot. Yeah. Comparatively, between sides, I would say they're both distinctively different. The first side is almost like, these could have been Heartbreaker songs. And the second side, to me, was more like, these could have been Wilbury songs. Oh, I have something on that. By the way. We'll get to it when we go song by song, but I have something on that. Yeah. yeah like I don't yeah I don't think it was as strong as a side but like there wasn't a song I disliked yeah nothing I would skip if I was listening on a compact disc yeah this would be a straight through no skips album yeah yeah I agree with that it's a it's a good time like even the weaker songs I hate to say the weaker songs are still enjoyable so yeah yeah At worst, there's like, I don't know, 3 or 4 songs on the whole album that are fine. Honestly, the cover is probably the one that I thought was the weakest. Yeah, probably. He probably could have cut the cover and been good. Yeah. Well, and that's the first one on the side. So yeah, let's talk about that. It's a, it's a bird song, right? Yeah. The birds. Yeah. Go birds. Yeah. There's like a good rock and roll song. Um, To me, it sounded like Here Comes the Sun. And I said it sounded like If I Need Someone, which ironically are both George Harrison songs. And Tom Petty was working a lot with George Harrison at this point. So, yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if George Harrison, like, suggested it to him. Like, yeah, no, there's just several times like throughout it where I just kind of sang little darling. And I was like, if I needed someone to love, you're the one I wouldn't think enough. Anyways. Yeah. Like, this one was, out of all of them, was the one that didn't sound like a Tom Petty song the most to me. You know what I think it was? I can tell the song started with a 12string Rickenbacker. Yeah. And that was what the Byrds played all the fucking time. And George Harrison played in early Beatles songs. Yeah. And it sounded like an American Beatles song, basically. I think Yeah, I think it would have been better in the middle of the side rather than kicking it off. The side opener. Yeah. I wouldn't have made that choice either. Like I said, probably could have been left off, but they probably needed a song to fill in space. Yeah. It was fine. It was fine. Yeah. Next one, You're So Bad. Highlight of the side for me. Highlight of the whole album on this listen through since I've heard the 3 monster hits so many times. So here it is. You're like, this side sounded like traveling wildebeest. Yeah. Wildebeest. Wildebeest side. The wild thornberries. Yeah, the wild thornberries. He actually wrote, this was the first song he wrote with Jeff Lynn of the Traveling Wildeberry. So he, so that's why it sounds so Wildeberry-esque. Woolberry. Woolberry. Nice. I liked how. Somebody will be annoying in the comments about it. I have to correct you. Well, you know what? I mean, nobody leaves us comments. Yeah, no comments. But someday. Don't bury my fucking nuts. Yeah. One thing that I really liked about it was his vocal delivery. I like how, like, going into the chorus, he would slide from, like, a snarl to, like, a sweet kind of Dylan-esque melody. Yeah, yeah. Like, just on the flip of a dime. It was a good song. Yeah. Really good song. For some reason, I really like the way he delivers, my sister's ex-husband can't get no lovin'. Yeah. That's so great. Yeah. I have a sister with an ex-husband. I have a sister with several ex-husbands. I also like that it's a song about how his sister married a yuppie and stole all his money. Yeah, that's great. I liked the acoustic guitar at the beginning. I kind of like the vaguely country vibe to it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think this probably should have been the side opener and maybe it wasn't until the label went, let's put a cover right here. Yeah. I don't know. There's no hits on this one guys. Like at this point in my life, this is the song off this album. I am most likely to put on, put on a mix. All right, next one, Depending on You. I depend on you. This one was just okay to me. There were some things I liked about it. I liked how the chorus really built up because at first it sounded like a singer-songwriter song just with the full band, and then it just layered a bunch of stuff on the chorus, and it sounded huge and soaring. I liked the guitar solo. All the guitar solos on this record are great. Actually, this song sounded a lot like waiting is the hardest part to me. Yeah, yeah, it did. I liked the, like, I thought the organ had a nice little counter melody at the end, especially. Oh, yeah, yeah, that was interesting. It was a good, it was a decent song. It just wasn't, you know. Yeah, kind of like Love is a Long Road on the first side. That's kind of how I feel about this one. I liked it more than Love is a Long Road, but yeah. Just not essential. Yeah. next one like uh the apartment song like i said before i kind of relate to the lyrics on this one high energy folk rock almost like almost like uh peter gabriel's first album yeah uh great song yeah uh boogie woogie yeah i like this one a lot too like steve said it was probably like between you're so bad in this song this is probably my 2 favorites on this side i love the huge drum sound on the bridge too And, you know, it does kind of kind of remind me of when I first moved out into my own apartment. I remember the first night I laid my head down, closed my eyes, and then I could hear the people below me fucking. Yeah, I like I like the honky tonk piano on the fade out and wish that they had waited a little longer on the fade out so I could have heard a little more of it. Yeah, I like the brick. You're talking about the breakdown to the. You know, that was fun. All right, next one. All right for now. It was all right for now. For now. In most universes, I don't think I would like that style of song, but I like Tom Petty doing it. Yeah. This song made this album break my no more than one ballad rule, but at least it was short. It was like a 2minute song. Yeah. And it was And it was sweet, and it was on a different side with a lot of songs in between it. I would say it was more of a lullaby than a ballad. Yeah. It was pretty. And I always like it when a song like this has a title that implies that it won't be all right later. Yeah. It's all right for now. When a song that could be a We're Gonna Make It song is a We're only making it for now and we won't make it later. I like the contrast there, a little bit bittersweet thing, but it was, yeah, all right. Yeah, it was a good lullaby. For now. I think I liked it a lot when I was a kid. Yeah. Next one, a mind with a heart of its own. There's a nice Oh, go ahead. I will say this is probably the most forgettable song. Yeah, I was going to say it was like a nice shot of energy after All Right For Now, but it was like the least remarkable song on the record, I think. Yeah. I'm like, I don't remember what this one sounded like. Yeah. Like it was a great way to keep the energy up, but it felt like almost that was like its entire purpose was where it sat on the album, not as a song of its own. Yeah. I said it was a nice driving song because I remember it being a little bit faster paced. Yeah, kind of old school rock and roll. I think it would fit in with the Wilburys. Yeah. And then last one I think is a great album closer. Yeah, it was fun. This one was a lot of fun. The beginning sounded like the kind of song that they would commission for like an eighties horror comedy, like a Ghostbusters or a Monster Squad type of thing. I could see kids in the early nineties, like, uh, putting this on at like, I don't know. I never went to school events, but like prom. Yeah. Um, or like the Halloween dance. Yeah. Yeah. I liked it. How, how the sense kind of sounded like the synth stew on an eighties Alice Cooper song. Um, I thought that was, that was pretty cool. Um, I liked though, like how the rest of the song sounded kind of like the Halloween rockabilly style song, just with like eighties production values. Um, I also really like the line, sometimes you're so impulsive, you shaved off all your hair like, you look like, sorry. Sometimes you're so impulsive, you shaved off all your hair, you look like Boris, you look like Boris Karloff. You look like Boris, oh my god. You look like Boris Karloff and you don't even care. Yeah. Yeah, that was the funny line. That one was really funny. Yeah. I also liked how in the back, like in the backing vocals, there's like the Monster Mash style. Yeah. And Roy Orbison is on this one. And it seems fitting for Roy Orbison. Yeah. I mean, it's a little gimmicky as a song, but it's a really fun gimmick and like a really good album closer. I would probably put this on like a Halloween mix. Yeah, yeah. And then I guess the backing vocals on this was done with a group called the Trembling Blenders. I don't know who that is. It's probably the Traveling Wilburys. Yeah, and I think it You can honestly tell that he didn't record that song to be very serious at all. No. It was fun. It was a lot of fun. If you have a song called Zombie Zoo, no one's going to take that fucking serious. Yeah. He's like, this is never going to be a single. And that kind of sums up this album. I mean, I think it's basically Tom Petty and a bunch of his friends having fun. Yeah. And honestly, that's one of the best origin stories for an album I've ever heard. Well, and the fact that it's Tom Petty and his friends having fun. 3 iconic monster songs. Like, another 3 just, like hidden classics and then everything else is at the very least a lot of fun. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's the thing is like when you got songs, like I won't back down free falling and running down a dream, like everything else is going to seem a little bit lower quality. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Although apartment apartment song, um, you're so bad and facing a crowd did, you know, those were all really great songs too. So yeah, I'm, yeah, I'm not discounting those songs. It was just kind of like, yeah, it's, it's kind of funny that it's, it's something that would, uh, on a on a lesser album would be standouts is kind of what i'm saying yeah you know like any of the songs that weren't singles probably would have been like huge on another album yeah like i'm i'm glad this album did come out too because i'm glad his career didn't just languish um As far as I'm aware, it was pretty much thriving right around the time he passed. Yeah. I also liked learning around the time he passed just how many people in the local punk and metal scene were just like, oh, Tom Petty. Yeah. Speaking of suing, wasn't the killer song people Didn't they say that Sonic sounded a lot like American Girl? Which one? Are you going to be mine? Oh, Jet? Jet. The one that I've always heard that that one was ripping off was Lust for Life. Yeah, I heard that one too. Yeah. But, I mean, the beat is like a Bo Diddley beat. Yeah. But anyway, sorry. I just remembered that one as well. All right, that was Tom Petty's Quotations solo album. I think they probably could have slapped And the Heartbreakers on it, and people that aren't us probably wouldn't have noticed the difference too much, like casual listeners wouldn't have. Yeah. Which, I mean, they put the songs from this into their set list. Yeah. It's less gritty than a Heartbreakers album, but not by a lot. Yeah. Yeah. And leading up to this, I listened to the first 4 – the first 4 up to damn the torpedoes. And yeah, I mean, especially on the first 3, uh, it had more of a, a chunky bluesy vibe to it. And this one, I think I'd say it was more, I don't want to say pop oriented commercial. It was like, I don't even know if I'd say commercialized. Yeah. There, there were parts, there were parts that, yeah, did remind me of like the, Like Peter Gabriel, that first record of his, that was high-tempo folk pop. The biggest difference I noticed is the drummer. The vibes are very different between drummers. Stan is a heavy hitter on the Heartbreakers albums. The guy on this record was just very uh efficient yeah i guess if you're kind of not vibing with one guy that's a way to make an album just cut everyone else out yeah cut him out and then include everyone else and i think that's what it is uh it might have been more the producer than tom petty because the producers just didn't like the the heartbreakers drummer uh but i think tom petty and him also butted heads uh and it From the interviews, it didn't even seem like they disliked each other. I think they just disliked working with each other. Stan went on to produce a number of big hits with Don Henley from the Eagles, right? Mm-hmm. And God bless him. He ended up playing in in Mike Campbell's, uh, current band dirty knobs as a fill in for a couple of shows. So I think all is, uh, well there. And he said that he would perform with the heartbreakers on a different occasion. So did, did he leave the heartbreakers after this? He eventually, yeah, he stayed with them until, I think. Um, and yeah, he said he didn't like playing the songs from this record. i bet by by 94 i bet they were only playing the 3 big monster hitch though i don't know i think i would have put up with it i would have too yeah well i mean uh what what song like uh when was uh petty's second solo album good question let's let's look because he It's almost like instead of calling it a solo album, just fire the guy that you didn't want and just keep Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. From what I understand, Tom Petty didn't like Confrontation, so this was basically just him putting it off. I still love it that they recorded Mary Jane's Last Dance for the Greatest Hits album, and it became one of their biggest hits. It's a great song. Yeah, but that's so risky to record a new song for a Greatest Hits album to present it like it's already a hit and then to have it actually take off. Yeah. Yeah. I admire it. Yeah, the chutzpah of that. I think it's funny in the I Won't Back Down video, it starts with Tom Petty with a box and he opens it and it's a guitar player. If I thought Tom Petty was more of an asshole, I would say that was really analogous of him with the heartbreakers. Oh, they're in my little box! All right. So, yeah, probably one of the first albums I remember like from my childhood. I was kind of a late bloomer with music. I didn't really get into music proper until I was like 14. And I think it was like Linkin Park that got me into it. And it's weird. I've tried to revisit Linkin Park and I can't stand them. Yeah. Yeah. I remember I remember liking them in high school, not being able to not being really able to stick with them into the second album. And then looking back, it's like, oh, this wasn't my thing. And I think I just needed to find something different. Yeah. Well, when I was a teenager, the lyrics really connected with me. But as an adult, that's just not at all. No. And then, of course, I listened to, like, Disturb and Godsmack, and then I discovered Metallica and everything before that. I was kind of like, eh. So I remember There was a point in time where Because I knew at that point I liked my dad's music. I just didn't think it counted because it was his music. And there was eventually a point where I'm like, well, no, it's my music too now. So once I got over that, then I realized in retrospect I liked a whole bunch of bands. you know? My parents were mainly into, like, folk rock and soul. So, like, Dylan, Simon, Garfunkel, then, like, The Temptations and The Supremes and stuff like that. And so it's like That's all music that I like and that I really came to appreciate after I was done trying to find my own stuff. But my own stuff ended up being more like When I was hanging out with my cousin and he put on The Rock Station, I remember not really jiving quite as much with the Disturbed and the Godsmack. But then when The Offspring would start playing, it'd be like, Oh, hey, I like this. And so It's kind of how I fell into punk, like when like the Hard Rock Station would play like The Offspring and Green Day being like, I like how this is different from everything else. And then diving into that. I'll say this about my dad. He hated punk music, but he told me that he'd go to punk shows, you know, just to go out. So I think that he probably saw a lot of your like favorite bands and just hated them. Yeah. What's funny is like the first punk band I was ever aware of, even before I heard them, was The Damned. Because when I was a kid standing in line for Phantom Menace tickets, there were some people right ahead of me who are basically like me now. And they're talking about music and they're like talking about The Damned. And I was like, this sounds interesting. I'm going to put a pin in this. And eventually I did. And I found them and they kick ass. I will say this. There is one punk band my dad did like. The Ramones? No, the shittiest. That's funny. To those out there, that's kind of a local, or would you call them a regional band at this point? They're a local band to us. I would say local. Local, yeah. Megaton played with a lot. We shared bass players for like 2 seconds. And I don't know, the metal scene did not like Megaton, but the punk scene did. So I like to joke that we were like Omaha's Corrosion of Conformity. Yeah. Well uh like speaking of like parents uh likes and dislikes my dad was like uh he like like i he introduced me to like queen and credence clearwater revival even though he hated the song suzy q because when it came out people because of our last name people would call him suzy q So he fucking hated that song, but he liked Creedence Clearwater Revival. But then he liked other shit that I couldn't get behind, which is like Gloria Estefan. I'm like, what the fuck, dad? But I remember one of the first tapes I stole from him was Doors Greatest Hits album. And I remember listening to the shit out of it and then buying a bunch of Doors albums and stuff like that. My mom would always tell me that my dad was stuck in the seventies, but once in a while he would latch onto something off the wall. He liked Amy Winehouse a lot. Hey, she was a good singer. She was a great singer. Amazing pipes. It's really too bad she died so young. Yeah, she was incredibly talented. And that's really one of the more tragic pop star stories or rock star stories or however you want to frame her. She was chained to the rhythm of the night. In the jazz era, she would have been on fire, I think. Yeah. Well, it's interesting about her, too, is she would, like, perform with the specials sometimes and sing special songs. So ska singer? I don't know. Yeah. You know, I will admit I didn't even hear of her until she died. Like I never heard. Her career was so short. That is, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah. She's in the 27 club. Yeah. She's like the last prominent member of the 27 club that I can think of because I can't think of a musician after her that died at 27 or at least a prominent one. And then one more story about the funeral is Sandy's brother-in-law came up to me and said that, I don't know how he found out, but Sandy probably told him I had a podcast and he asked me about like punk bands. And we had a nice conversation about the Brian Carroll band. The Jim Carroll band? Sorry, the Jim Carroll band. But, yeah, he talked about how much he liked Catholic Boy, and I was like, oh, man, it's too bad that you live in Minnesota because you and Dave would probably have a great conversation. Where in Minnesota? Right in Minneapolis. Hey, maybe we can visit him when we go. It's only 5 hours away. He told me about a collaboration that Henry Rollins did with William Shatner, and I thought it was the one. You can't get behind that? Yeah, but he said he did a Christmas song with him, too. Nice. I should probably check out. You know, there's a whole series of books that were supposedly written by William Shatner. Tech War. Tech War. Yeah. And like, I think they're actually like a ghost written by somebody else. Almost certainly. Yeah. They just slapped William Shatner's name on it. I've never read them, but somebody told me that he wrote some Star Trek books and like his solution to defeating the Borg was just basically turning them off with a big off switch. And then he also did have I would love to get a hold of it. He did release an album. of like covers and he did like uh he did iron man on that one i think i think he did iron man he also did um uh space obviously by bowie yeah he's like ground control to major tom i unironically like his uh has been album oh has been is a great album in fact we're gonna do that on this podcast yeah uh, his version of common people, I think is even more biting than the original. Yeah. And I, and I do like that. I can't get behind that song with, um, Henry Rollins and Adrian blue on guitar. Yeah. King Crimson's Adrian blue. All right. So yeah, that was Tom Petty. Um, rest in peace, dad. I, uh, you gave me a lot. I would pour one out, but we're inside your house. I wouldn't be a musician without him. I already pissed on the floor, so, I mean, go ahead. In all sincerity, your dad was a great guy, and I could tell he really supported you, like, just from the few interactions I had with him. So he was a great guy. He was a great guy. He introduced you to a lot of great music, and he really positively affected a lot of people. So, like the world is worse off without him. Um, my dad, uh, one of the, one of the people that, uh, got religious and actually like, you know, read the book and became a better guy. Even it's, it usually doesn't go that way. Usually when somebody becomes a Christian, they tend to use it as a weapon rather than a armor. Yeah. Yeah. To steal a phrase from rush. Yeah, I hope your family, I hope his memories bring you more joy than pain. I think so. I think so. Yeah. I said during the eulogy that, you know, as sad as I get sometimes, I mean, sometimes I'll just stop and laugh about something silly I remember about him. So, you know. I don't think death is the end. So, yeah, I think he just moved on. And one of my friends said that her sister had a kid on the same day. So that's probably my dad. Yeah. Good luck with that. There's like there's like an old there's like an old Irish funeral prayer that says I am not gone. I am just in another room. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's exactly how I see it. So, yeah, I mean, like if my dad was reincarnated, I'm pretty sure he'd come up, smack me and say, what the fuck is wrong with you? Yeah. I mean, that was his baseline with me. All right. So next week we're going to do Craftwork Autobahn, another one in his memory, and then we're going to wrap up the season with the best of bread. The breast of bread. It's about a bird. None of us know what it sounds like, so we have no idea if we're going to hate it or not. I've purposely not listened to anything bread-related. I'm sure there will be one song that We will probably recognize At least one song. Yeah, I'm sure I've heard something when flipping around the radio while driving through rural Kansas to help a French move. But yeah. Yeah, even though it was my album, someone gave it to me and I never listened to it. You know, what's funny is I was flipping through his collection and I haven't brought it home yet, but I will soon. And he has 2 copies of Frampton Comes Alive. Yeah. I have a copy of Frampton Comes Alive. Isn't the joke that it just shows up in people's collections? So I guess he somehow got my copy. Well, they said it used to come free with boxes of Tide. All right, if you want to check out our music, we're in a band called The Illiterates. Probably won't be out by the time this airs, but we're going to be on a compilation, and we're recording a kick-ass version of our song, House Came Crashing Down. And we're also on a Christmas compilation. Where we covered John Cale's Child's Christmas in Wales. Yeah. And then we got a live release. You guys did a really good job with that. Thank you. You're on it. Sure, I am. Your electric guitar comes through a lot better than the acoustic. And then, of course, yeah, previously released material. You can find that on my website. 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