What Every Overthinker Needs to Know About How Their Brain Actually Works

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This episode is about the neuroscience of overthinking, why self-trust is hardwired into your brain, and what's actually happening when you can't stop second-guessing yourself.

Dr. Amy Albright has spent 32 years studying what happens when you blend neuroscience with spirituality. She was an atheist undergrad studying the brain when she had a massive spiritual awakening on an acupuncture table that changed the entire trajectory of her life. She went from believing science could explain everything to knowing it never will, and she's spent the decades since weaving both worlds together to help some of the most powerful leaders on the planet perform from a completely different place.

In this conversation we get into where intuition actually lives in the brain and why it's connected to body awareness, what happens neurologically when you shame yourself versus when you speak to yourself with compassion, why overthinkers often have a brain hotspot that's hijacking 30% of their cognitive power, how neurofeedback therapy works and why it can feel like a psychedelic experience without any substances, and what it actually means to source your ambition from love instead of fear.

If you've ever known the answer in your gut and talked yourself out of it anyway, this conversation is going to reframe everything.

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About Dr. Amy Albright: Dr. Amy Albright is an expert and trailblazer in human potential, bridging business strategy, neuroscience, health, and spirituality. By integrating cognitive, emotional, physical, and spiritual intelligence (IQ, EQ, PQ, and SQ), she brings a revolutionary approach to human evolution. The power of Dr. Amy's own extraordinary brain and energetic capacities have helped countless individuals and businesses achieve massive success while operating in greater alignment with their core values. As CEO and co-founder of Holon, Dr. Amy has partnered with Dr. Drew Pierson to create groundbreaking programs that combine advanced neurofeedback technology with transformative personal and spiritual development practices. Through its proprietary methodologies and extraordinary tools of technology-assisted brain learning, Holon measures and modifies brain activity via bespoke protocols that optimize performance, resulting in rapid growth, freedom, clarity, resilience, and potential for visionary leaders. Dr. Amy also offers professional speaking and facilitation for aligned organizations worldwide.

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What if a big part of your intuition is actually biological? Today I'm talking with Dr. Amy Albright, a leader in neuroscience, human potential, and spiritual intelligence, who's helping high-level performers rewire their brains for clarity, confidence, and alignment. We break down what's actually happening in your brain when you feel anxious or stuck, how intuition wires into your biology and how to access it without forcing or guessing. And this is not theory, this is real, measurable transformation. So if you want to trust yourself more, make better decisions, and stop second-guessing everything, this episode is for you. Hello, Dr. Amy. Good to see you, love. Hi, thank you so much for having me on the show. You are so welcome. I am obsessed with what you're doing at Hulan. And when I was introduced to you and I got to dive through and see unexpected connections that we both have and shared a past client and just so many synchronicities. And of course, in this time period, it just couldn't be any better, any sweeter to be talking about neuroscience and the brain and blending spirituality and all the magic you do. So everyone can get to know you a bit. I would love to hear how this came about. It's actually a really long story. So 32 years ago, I was an undergrad and I was an atheist studying the brain. And I really felt like that if we could understand the brain, that we could understand the human experience. So I thought it was all found maybe in neurotransmitters. You know, what is it that we're experiencing? And then unexpectedly, I had a massive spiritual awakening experience, which is again really unexpected. I want to hear about that. Yeah. My audience wants to hear about that. Yeah, yeah. Well, and you know, it's like, was I looking for that? No, I was an atheist. I wasn't, I wasn't even on a seeking path. I wasn't open. And the door got flung open. So I call it my Big Bang. And interestingly, what it was was first off, I interacted with my grandfather for the first time in many years. He and my dad were estranged. So I was kind of informally estranged from him, although we had no, we just weren't in contact as much. And he said two things. I didn't know that you've been so sick, and I want to send you to acupuncture. And then you need to come around because I have things to tell you. Very mysterious. Okay, so I figured what's a little more poking and prodding? I've already been through the medical system, chewed up and spit out. I had been so sick my whole life. And so when I laid on the acupuncture table the first time, again, as an atheist, this guy's putting needles in. I'm like, whatever. He leaves the room. And I have a feeling, I'm not saying that I did, but I felt like I levitated. I felt like I sank through the table. I heard voices in the room in a way that was not disturbing. Like by, you know, like I would imagine that if it was some sort of a psychiatric break, I was thinking this through with my logical mind, that it would be scary or weird, but it felt completely natural. And then I could also trace out those meridians exactly as they are mapped on the body without ever having seen a map of the meridian system. And so when I came back in, the guy was confirming, yep, that's the meridians. So I can't really explain to you what it was like, but it's kind of like the moment that I first held my son to my chest after he was born. It's like this feeling of being exploded wide open. And I knew two things. One, that there was a God, which is a really big thing for an atheist to come to. Big time. And being willing to set your ego aside about it because your whole community, friends, family, everyone knows you as that identity. So that's huge too. Yeah, totally. And then the second thing that I knew was that science would never be able to explain everything that I was experiencing, or just in general, everything that exists in the world. And so what ended up happening after that is I started to study anthropology, which is essentially the study of what it is to be human through time. And I was studying indigenous ways of healing and shamanism and all those kind of things academically. And I kind of parallel path that with the academic studies of neurosciences and was on a prep course to be a PhD professor, studying the brain for the rest of my life, which that didn't end up happening either. Um, but when I to bring the story back around to my grandfather, when I went to go see him that next time and thank him for this incredible opportunity to receive acupuncture, he began to teach me consciousness. So I was 18 years old and I shifted all in one month, or maybe even one week, I don't remember exactly, but from an atheist that did not have any access to spirituality based on my upbringing, to really being able to hold the non-dual, very inclusive point of view that science is very real, but that also that there is a higher power and how those two things got woven together, and also receive consciousness teaching from a man who had been meditating for about 40 years every day at that point and had studied all of the great teachers. So, not a normal 18-year-old experience, but that's kind of what set it off. And there's been a lot of really uh unexpected twists and turns that have had me weave this together now in this particular way, where, you know, it really is this deep, deep touch point into the depths of what it is to be human and uh a spiritual point of view, along with really and truly the nerdiest of neurosciences, not brain theory, but actually changing brains in this laboratory that we have here, so that people can be really profoundly impacted by letting go of their trauma, by aligning how their brain is working. I mean, just stepping into their optimum reality in every way. So it's yeah. Amazing, amazing. Okay, if you're listening to this and you're like, wow, I'm just like, you know, going to my regular day job. I'm not doing anything wild and crazy. When is God gonna come talk to me? Give it a beat. All right. Don't compare. We're all on a different trajectory. And as the second you become open to it, consciously or subconsciously, you are inviting that shift in. Cause Dr. Amy just shared she wasn't inviting that if she didn't know, right? She's just living her life. How did your healing journey play out after that? Because you had said you had been uh treated for a while with whatever you were dealing with. Yeah, you know, I wish that I could say that it just got all better. My grandfather sent me to acupuncture every week for a year, and I can say that that definitely helped. I got off of the seven medications that I was on at 18 years old. Um, and I began to believe that I would live past 30, which I had not been convinced of based on how terrible that I felt and just, you know, the history that was there. But I would say that I've still struggled with kind of these autoimmune, you know, Lyme disease, upstein bar, like kind of all the mold exposure, very it's a lot, I think, of the highly sensitive folks end up with a lot of these kind of stories and and medical diagnoses or I call them labels. So I really feel like I'm coming down to the bottom of it just in this last couple of months, if I'm if I'm honest. So yeah, after a lifetime of, I think that, you know, I went through, I'm I have a doctorate in Chinese medicine, and which means that I had to study both, you know, modern medicine and also the ancient medicine. And um, and then I did not stop my studies. And I think that my not being well was a huge part of what has absolutely just perpetuated my studies of all of the different sorts of healing modalities that exist. So I'm really grateful for the journey. I've recovered from the medical traumas that I've walked through, and I'm and I'm really ready to receive being well at this pay at this phase of my life. And so it is. Thank you. Thank you. You're welcome. And, you know, one thing that we do in the Brilliance Method Collective and all the different events that I hold is we see that vision for anyone who's asking. So, you know, you just painted a picture of us, of you being energized and whole and leaving that behind and it being another, another flag in the moon for you to say, here this works, this works, and I am here, I am healthy, I am strong, I am safe, I am protected, I am loved. And that becomes your truth, and it already is. Thank you. Yeah, I think that it, you know, as a as a woman and as a practitioner, I always felt a little bit embarrassed about it. If I can be honest about that, like, you know, how is it that I can help other people in these truly miraculous ways with their physical health? And that I was having such physical health challenge. And um, so it's just something that was that was always there as a not only a pain point of living in that kind of a health picture, but also just feeling um, yeah, like I said, a little bit embarrassed or a little bit uncomfortable with that disparity. And then just recently I got a bunch of genetic testing done, and I'm like, right, now this makes sense. I mean, wow, did I get dealt a really difficult hand genetically? So, you know, I just accept that as my uh as a very humbling teacher. And also that, like I said, it just has is encouraged me to grow in ways that I would not have grown and learn things that I would not have learned otherwise. And I've just used all of that to help people, you know, because I do get incredible results for folks. So I'm I'm so grateful that that that's been the case. Me too. You didn't label anything as shame, but what you're talking about, I feel is so relatable to so many people who feel like shame or imposter syndrome or hypocrite or anything, even to that extreme. And the beautiful thing about shame is the second you shine just a tiny bit of light on it, it starts to go away because it does not like to be looked at. And also so many people blame themselves when they are healers. Not that you did that or are doing that, but so many people go, wow, I should be able to overcome this, you know. And I, uh one of my dear friends, she's a professional intuitive healer, and she's lost a lot of people she loves in her life to cancer and different illnesses. And I've never seen her rocked. I've never seen her not have faith that if we're born on time, we leave on time. And also, especially when you're talking about non-duality, I believe, and tell me if you do, that there is a sense that our our script is written, you know, that the the timelines, they're already there. If we were meant to experience this, we're meant to experience this. And to a certain degree, there's so much freedom there as opposed to lack of free will, because we can feel more at peace about whatever we are experiencing. And if we're gonna go through treatment on something or we're gonna go through something traumatic, yes, we're gonna feel all the feels and hopefully do some of the work that you are providing and facilitating at Halan and in your private practice. But on our way there, are we gonna suffer and scream kick and scream, which is what I did for a really long time, or are we going to surrender and go, maybe on a spiritual or subconscious level, I might have made some of these choices so that my spirit can grow and have this experience. So maybe don't beat yourself up. I had cancer when I was 24. And it was a big, big shift in my life, a big part of my spiritual awakening. We have kind of a fun, similar story. I was 19. We'll we'll maybe we'll get into it later. But so many people asked me, why did you get cancer at 24? Right. And I didn't have a genetic history of cancer and or wasn't predisposed to it. So it's interesting when you're young, when you're a young person dealing with illness, you're constantly questioning why am I sick? Why did I get sick? And I think sometimes we don't know the answer because it's part of our spiritual path. What do you think? Yeah, I totally agree. I literally in my birth chart, if I'd had I've had several different astrologers look at it, which by the way, I didn't used to believe in that either. But then I realized like that's just it's another version of science that's just not well accepted. Um, but when I had people look at that, I can, it's in my chart that I will have health issues. And that it's also in my chart that around 50, which is how old I am now, everything will change and everything's gonna open up really wide. And by 52 or and onward, it's just like the very best years of my life. So I was meant to walk through a huge amount of challenges. I also have a a lot of Saturn influence. There's a lot of things going on in my chart that show that I have a hard journey to walk and that that's a part of the ripening and the maturity. And it is, it is part of the divine plan. It's not, it's not anti-that. Um, so yeah, absolutely I agree. Yeah, I love hearing that. It's true. Like, if we are born on time, then wouldn't there be a map or a blueprint or an outline or some clues that we could find to give ourselves peace? You know, my husband always gets so annoyed when I'm like, Mercury's in retrograde. And he's like, Mercury's always in retrograde. I'm like, no, like the whole point of knowing, of having the awareness of what's going on with the planets is so you don't feel like you're cursed and everything sucks in your life. It's like, no, there's this shift happening and we get to be present to it, especially seeing, okay, in your chart, somewhere around 50 and after, you're gonna be experiencing this release and all of that. So it gave you something to look forward to. Yeah, in my opinion, too. And I will say, when we're when we're 19, that feels like forever away, right? Uh so yeah, you walk with so much grace, Dr. Thank you. Thank you. You're welcome. I want to hear more about your grandfather. Oh, yeah. He was a wild card. He was an inventor. He patented something back in the 1970s that changed the family's course in a huge way. Are you allowed to say what it is? Yeah, it was a it was the it's called the shift kit. And it is a product that you can install into a regular car and turn it into a high performance street racing car, just with it's a very, very simple modification to a transmission. So um, yeah, so he had, you know, like a I grew up, I did see the factory a few different times, and he had, you know, that all going on. So he was a very brilliant in in business in that way, but also really walking the path of discovery about consciousness and like I said, deep meditation. Um, for that number of years, he was good friends with the Maharishi, which is who brought the transcendental meditation movement to the United States. Just a really interesting character. And I remember back when I was 18, and I would start to show up because he had things to tell me. Like I said, it wasn't a conversation, it was me receiving the transmissions. And what would happen is that I felt like my eyes would kind of roll back into my head, and I'm like really having a hard time staying awake for it. And I asked him, you know, can I I want to take notes. I need notes. And he said, I don't want you to write any of this down. This goes immediately into the core of your bones. You write it there as you hear it, and that's it. He was so he was a very strict teacher in that way as well. But so grateful. And he helped me, um, he actually sent me to some development workshops and things like that that were intensives, like two-week long, 12 hours a day to get through kind of like the ego dissolution process and to help us understand. And and again, this was a part of my training at 18-19 that we are creating around reality. And there weren't very many people saying that back then. You know, what were you doing, like S training or something? It was actually through Star's Edge International. It's a it's avatar and and related trainings. So it was not of the mind, it was definitely an energetic training. Yeah. So I'm really grateful for the course that he set me off on. You know, I'm that's a that's a lot of originally how how things got shaped inside of me and and what really helped me to expand and grow really early in my in my path. How beautiful. Grandfathers are so special. What was his name? Gil. Gilbert. Gilbert. Aw. Yeah. They are so special. Robert Scheinfeld, who wrote Busting Loose from the Money Game and so many other amazing books, he was on the show and his whole life path occurred because of conversations he had with his grandfather. And my grandfather has been coming through more and more, even I was at a I was at a hotel this week leading a retreat for my clients, doing holistic work, goddess work, energy healings. We're just gonna have Barnaby in the episode right now. And my my grandfather was a drummer, and the lamp next to my bed started making beat sounds like do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do. And I looked at it, I'm like, oh, I just assumed the next door they were doing construction and the drill had a certain rhythm to it. And then I lean and I keep leaning in, I leaning in, and I hear it coming from the Lucite Square. If anyone's not familiar with Lucite, it was really popular in the 70s and the 80s, used as like a it's it's almost like a plastic glass with bubbles. And my grandparents had Lucite all over their house. So when I saw the lamp in the hotel room, I was like, oh, my grandparents would have loved this. Anyhow, it's just coming from this sound. And then the second I noticed it and I said hi, it stopped. And then the beat changed. And it was a beat where he wanted me to like play back with. So then I'm like jamming out with this lamp. I know this sounds crazy, but I'm jamming out with this lamp for a while. And I just felt his presence so strongly. And I just listened and like, what's the message here? Right. And the message is to be present, to follow your rhythm, to listen to your heart, and that no one who has ever left is truly gone. And I just felt happy about that. So yeah, thank you for sharing about your grandfather. Yeah, totally. I'm I'm happy to hear about your story as well. And I think, you know, for what people would want to understand is that, yes, some people might judge that as crazy or as as woo or whatever. But when we look again, what I, you know, what I studied anthropologically is that that is normal in come in cultures and in societies where we lived close to the land and we understood everything was interconnected, right? When we didn't get trained into separatism, which is a lot about religious indoctrination and kind of historical events where we put took God outside of people and outside of earth and put it above. Um, and that's, I think, where we lost track of a lot of that interconnectedness and the ability to receive signals. So a lot of what it is that I have done in addition to coaching, executive coaching and strategic advising some extremely powerful CEOs and leaders in the world is help them to come to their intuition. And maybe they don't want that necessarily for the intention of talking to their deceased loved ones in any way. Maybe they want that for business, for performance, you know, to be able to know how to make those right moves. Or maybe they want to know how to navigate their relationships and their connections better. But it doesn't really matter. Intuition, regardless of what it is that we're inspired to utilize it for or where we believe that it comes from, is actually hardwired into the brain. And it's in our epigenetics. It's as a part of our DNA. Real quick, if you lead a team and communication has been harder than it should, I can help. I bring mindfulness and compassionate communication training directly into companies through custom workshops, keynotes, and leadership intensives. Go to elesiasky.com, hit the contact page, and you'll see exactly how to reach me. Whether you want a workshop, consulting, or leadership training, it's all right there. So fill out the form and let's get your team breathing again, being kinder to each other and not taking things personally so that we can move forward with your mission. Now let's get back to the show. If we think about it, our intuitive ancestors are the ones that lived longer because they knew where to find the food and where danger was. Right. And so they lived close to their intuition in that way as a survival method. But now that we've kind of become insular in so many ways and so lost in our minds, we have actually made it very scary or dangerous to be inside of our intuition. And there's a lot of um uh cultural programming too about people, you know, this must be craziness or something. Um, and it reminds me of when, you know, the the church basically made it illegal to for to believe in gravity and said that that was an anti-church thing and that people could be killed for believing in gravity. You know, I'm even back when I first started into school, there was not a real understanding about neuroplasticity. And now we understand that neuroplasticity absolutely happens, you know, for adults, but we didn't used to believe in that. It's like, it's like a uh, it's almost like the Santa Claus thing. Like we don't believe in Santa. It's like, well, whether whether our thought constructs can hold something with the science that we have to prove it at the time, um, we see evidence of those things. And just to dig a little deeper into that neurosciences and and neuroplasticity, we have been seeing that neurofeedback therapy, which is the core of what it is that we uh offer as far as how to augment and accelerate brain learning and really change and sculpt how a brain functions. Neurofeedback therapy got invented in the 1960s and was proven to be clinically. Efficus, which means that there's some kind of learning happening, right? There's some kind of something that's different. Um, but you know, it was highly, highly debated that that neuroplasticity was real until maybe around the almost the year 2000 or like 1995. Like it really, maybe even then it was still debatable. So we can we can have scientific evidence of something happening for 40 plus years and still be in denial of it because of a limited frame of our mind, which is so fascinating that we can like that's happening more and more right now in the world. Yeah, that's crazy. Okay, I want to go back to what you were talking about how about intuition and where it lives in the brain. Could you teach us a little bit more about that? Because so many people who listen to the show want to trust themselves more, develop their intuition more. What's happening on a biological or cellular level or neurological level? Yeah, absolutely. So a lot of the capacity for intuition exists kind of over here behind the right ear in the right parietal area of the brain. Um, and so that area is it's actually amazing for two things. One is for being really in connection with one's body. So we see elite athletes having an incredibly strong parietal area on the right side. But we also see that that is true for highly intuitive people. So if we think about how that works, um, perhaps it's our ability to sense ourselves that helps us to know how to be really masterful at moving our body with sports, but also really masterful at knowing what we know in our body, because so many of those intuitive feelings come through the body feeling, right? Versus, you know, and not to say that the parietal lobe doesn't also help with vision because it does, you know, special sight. Um, but I think that um that the a lot of that is um, it's fascinating because we basically have the connection to our body being a very important part of intuition. And and so just getting connected in that way. Another really important part of the uh how it works neurologically is inside of, I'll say, coherence in general. So coherence has been made somewhat of a sloppy term, I'll say. And I think that neurologically it's a very, very exacting term, and it's not a term that anybody in, you know, the research institutes, even the atheists of the world, understand that there is a such a thing as coherence in the brain. And so we're gonna just talk about it at that level for a moment and then I'll expand it out into the spirit more spiritual understandings. But coherence in the brain is literally communication. And so we don't want areas of the brain screaming at each other, and we don't want them giving each other the silent treatment. We want them communicating in an optimal way, uh-huh, and with the right timing, and so that things work, which makes sense. It's kind of like a team, right? You know, we or a family or whatever. We want to be able to communicate well. So that is made one of the major underpinnings. But one of the things that we see that goes into that is that the brain often will develop a hot spot. So people who tend to ruminate about a specific, like whether or not they're doing a good job or what's going to happen next, waiting for the shoe to drop, or just always feeling like they are push, push, push, go, go, go, and they don't know how to get off that hamster wheel and actually chill out. Um, those folks often have what we would call maybe a hot spot. It's a it's a it's a hot singulate, an area of the cortex of the brain, which is the wrapper of the brain that can actually pull about 30% of the horsepower of the brain, or the lit the literally like the wattage of the brain. And so when people have that going on, it can be a huge block to that coherence, to the rest of the function of the brain, because there's a huge limbic system uh undertow happening all the time. There's a lot of that mammal fear stuff that's going on. So it's far more complex than that, in all honesty. And we have to know it at a much deeper level than that to be able to actually safely and effectively help people to augment their and improve their intuition by working directly into the brain. But I think that's a good first glance. And it's absolutely innate, you know, as we even if somebody comes into one of our programs and they're not asking to be intuitive, they end up being much more intuitive. That doesn't mean, you know, again, like having a jam session with their grandpa on the bedside table with the lamp, not like that necessarily. But they've they end up being in tune and being able to track what other people are feeling and experiencing and maybe have far more serendipities or have more of a sense of premonition, you know, or being prepared for things. And that's because we've basically quieted the noise neurologically and helped to increase that beautiful communication and coherence in the brain. So I'll stop there. I know I just said a lot of things. I'm following. And like you said, that helps people in business. It helps them make better decisions. It makes sense why executive leaders work with you so that they can trust themselves more. And, you know, that Spidey sense when you walk into your room and you can feel the energy and you know whether you have to shift it or whether you have to ground yourself or you know who to talk to, who not to talk to, it helps you in every aspect of creating your life, whether you are in corporate America or corporate anywhere in the world or an entrepreneur. And I'm so happy you shared what you shared, and it makes so much sense because when I am teaching intuitive development, I always start with mindfulness that we have to be present. So hearing you explain that essentially that hot spot, which is I'll just blanket label it as anxiety, if that's fair, right? Yeah. So when we have that anxiety, then what I'm visualizing as you're talking about it, it's almost like a magnet, right? And it's just like pulling your focus, pulling your attention, debilitating your self-trust. And so when we can set that down or change the neural pathways or heal it in some way, and we could be completely present with whatever technique anyone is using. Uh, you were you earlier, you mentioned transcendental meditation, right? So just having that, whether it's 20 minutes a day, just cycling, uh, right? They call it a wash cycle, just like rinsing, releasing, being present to it, not focusing on what the words mean, you know, just just really just being here now. And then when we however it is anybody wants to be here now, then all of a sudden your light bulb gets activated. And then that energy is just coming through and you're so present to your own being, whether you hear it, you see it, you know it, you feel it, you just you just become it and easier. So also you said intuitive people live longer. No, our ancestors when when we were hunting and and nomadic or even farmers, we really had to um understand what was going on. And the indigenous folks would say that they could hear what was coming for the for the weather by listening to the whispers in the wind, right? And that weather, if they got caught in it, could kill them, right? And so they had to go and find shelter, and they would maybe do that enough in advance that they could walk one or two days to where there was a better place to just survive that storm. So how we do, I'm sorry, you're right. We do live longer in that way if we're living in that indigenous way for sure, with our intuition. And maybe we could say it's the same thing with modern living as well. Who knows? I haven't thought about it. Yeah, yeah. And then whether it's longevity or it's just we have the potential to be safer if we listen to our intuition. That's right. Yeah. I mean, I that's one of the things that I found in my first year of practice. So people would come to me. I was a primary care provider in the state of California. And people, when they were coming to somebody that practiced Chinese medicine 23 years ago, which is when I got started, they were usually either they had been given a disease name that was really scary that might end in death. They had been in massive amounts of pain or physical pain, or they hadn't been able to conceive a child, which is a different kind of pain. And so we were always seeing back then, I would always see these really desperate and difficult cases where they had not been able to find help anywhere else. You know, just realizing that those folks, they would, they would come and I could tell them, if I could speak to them what I was seeing about what was going on for them, often their body would either spontaneously resolve whatever the health condition was, or it would be easy and I could get it to shift with, let's say, you know, three or four sessions instead of a year's worth of work, because their body was now aligned and understanding and being heard, right? Because it was holding a message for them about something that they were pushing away. So I think in that regard, going back to your point about the intuition, you know, and longevity, definitely our experience of safety and well-being, it all goes together. And when we hear what's going on in our what, why our body is having that issue, then we have the ability to resolve it and heal it from the spiritual, emotional, or even just the 3D practical level. Gosh, I love this conversation so much. Good. Good. Good. It's amazing what can happen when people live in alignment and that we have pain and suffering from the resistance to the alignment. Yeah. That part. Yeah. Yeah. How did you create Hole On? And could you share just in a little more depth what it is? Yeah, sure. You know, my colleague Dr. Drew Pearson and I started working together about 15 years ago. And we had a traditional brick and mortar office. People would come to me for typically the executive coaching and strategic advising that I was doing. And then they would also stop off while they were in our office to his one of his rooms and he would do these applied neurosciences, so um neurofeedback therapy. And so what we realized is that as we were working with these leaders, that that they would benefit by working with both of us, basically. So he would put in new neural architecture, and then I would show them how to use it. Because, like I like to say, you could have a Ferrari in the garage and not know that it's there and not know how to drive it, right? So being able to have both of those is actually really essential. So let me describe what neurofeedback therapy is, because I think that that's an unusual term for most folks. Neurofeedback therapy is the ability to give the brain feedback about what it's doing. So imagine we have this thing called the brain that's controlling every thought, every motion, every capacity, all of our intellect, all of our cognition, our entire experience of reality is being regulated by what our brain is doing or is being expressed through what the brain is doing. And we've never really been able to get feedback about how that works. So imagine if you wanted to improve as a dancer and you'd never been able to watch your the way you point your toes in the mirror. You know, you you don't have the ability to get that feedback. So neurofeedback therapy is going, uh, it goes into the, it gives the brain feedback about every last bit of how it works. So on a practical level, what that looks like is wires or some sort of sensors put onto the scalp that are so sensitive that they um sense what's happening inside the depths of the brain. Those, the information of that is going over to a computer. And then the computer is feeding it back to the brain in very, very little milliseconds, like maybe a 40 millisecond loop. So how that information is fed back is either through sight and sound. Like maybe you can watch and basically play a video game with your hands in your lap, just using your brain. Wow. You know, there's another way that we can do it too, with eyes closed. And now you're just hearing something. And on those eyes to close, it often ends up feeling like a psychedelic journey for a lot of folks, which is really interesting. But again, there's no, there's no entheogens. We're not serving psychedelic medicine. It's just the brain responding to itself and learning. Let's say if you get down deep enough into a meditation, you cease to exist and or you begin to see imagery, right? Or you have a kundalini rising experience. So those are the kinds of experiences that we help people to achieve with eyes closed, not only because they're a beautiful, life-altering experience, which is absolutely true, but because it's also showing the brain how to use, how to function in a certain way, how to create these beautifully formed gamma waves that begin in a certain area of the brain and move towards another area of the brain, for instance, in the right timing, in the right amplitude, you know, all of that. And what that does is helps the brain to function in a very, very beautiful and um foundational way, no matter what we're doing, for instance. So it's all the different waves. We can also, with eyes open, train almost all of the different structures of the brain now. We're really getting so many um new advancements in the last five years that we can train um a tremendous amount of the actual substructures of the depths of the brain directly, which is amazing. So it's incredible, it's incredible work. And it really is the real-time changing of how the brain is functioning faster than the mind can perceive. So it's not the mind controlling any of it. That's amazing. So I imagine, and now I'm like, I want to go, right? I'm like, I want to go, I want to send my husband to go. So for everyone who's watching and listening who's wondering, is this for me? Why would somebody come and experience this type of uh would you call it therapy protocol? Yeah. Yeah, neuro the neurofeedback therapy. I mean, so it's not just only available in our facility. It is widely available. Typically, it's it's used for getting through pathology. So sleep problems, ADHD, you know, kind of the anxious and depressed spectrums of feelings, you name it, and it can really make a difference. The people that come to our laboratory, we have less than 30 people a year in our most elite program. Um, we work with three people at a time, and they're really interested in the bringing together of the brainwork with the spirituality to be able to make massive and rapid advancements in their life so that they can accomplish their mission, which in our case, for who it is that we allow into our programs, it's always people that are working for the depths of greater good. Because we, you know, we the equipment that we have and what it is that we offer is top, it is top in the world. Um, some of the software and the hardware that we have is not available anywhere else, um, not even at the research institutions or, you know, major uh laboratories. So we we bring all of that together and it's not an inexpensive thing for us to be able to host or do. Or have, you know, my colleague is the head of neurosciences. So for him to have learned all of that has taken him decades. But what we want is that biggest leverage point for the greatest change for people, for all people. So if we can bring those incredible folks into this laboratory that end up impacting millions of people's lives, then we have uh effectively been able to help more people through our work. So there it is. I was just gonna ask you what drives your mission, but I think that's it right there. Yeah, it's it is absolutely how much advancement can we have in consciousness and awareness, how much love and deep wisdom can we bring forward neurologically and also in a lived experience and and be able to reshape how we how we work, how we live, you know, how we think about uh how we work inside of capitalism, for instance. It is the biggest and broadest reaches, you know, how we treat each other as humans, being able to restore ourselves back to um knowing, not just thinking about, but knowing about the interconnectedness of all things. These are the kinds of things we have really lofty goals and and huge ambitions. And um, you know, within the individuals, we're able to create literally miracles. It is, it is incredible to see the change. My heart just feels so called to do this. I absolutely will be applying at soon. I, you know, it's so interesting because earlier you used the word transmission. And then you talked, you know, and previous to that you talked about your grandfather and what he created, and you essentially have your own shift kit. Oh my gosh, that's so amazing. That is so amazing. Yeah, you know, it's um what it is that my colleague and I do here, as far as the brain, literally is not done anywhere else, not just because of the hardware and the software, but because of the because of the methodology and how we did that. Again, he's the lead on neurosciences, but he would bring to me a theory about how something works based on massive data from Stanford and Harvard and places where they're doing really amazing research. But they're doing, um, they're doing it inside of a limited scope. And so he would bring that theory to me. And then I would tell him, okay, I think that these are what those tools are actually doing. And then we would test it. So it's it would bring it into a whole new level of of um life, basically, because it it starts to answer how we are spiritual beings in ways that, you know, those major in the research institutes are there, a lot of them are actually studying spirituality. I don't mean it that they're not, but um we the innovation that we have is is um is incredible here. It sounds like it. And I I recently read Dr. James Dody's Into the Magic Shop and have only recently learned how the heart and the brain have such a deeper relationship than we could have ever imagined, and what he was doing at Stanford with the Dalai Lama. And I was sad to hear of his passing because I had thought, oh, I want to have him on my show. And having this conversation with you today and hearing what you both are doing at like the next level is just makes me so happy. Like, I'm like, oh, I didn't miss it. There's like this is here, this is out there, and we can experience this. And I know you have like a five-day intensive. I've looked at so many things on your website. So uh I want to get a little more into some of what you're doing, but people I can feel people leaning in right now. Like, how can they get involved? Because not everybody who applies will, you know, right chosen. Right. Yeah, definitely. I mean, I think that in the future, we're going to be launching more and more programs that are more cost effective and bring people through not just an education about the brain at the real level of what we learn in our laboratory. Not a lot of the stuff that's out there about the brain honestly is not as accurate as I would like it to be. I can imagine. It's a little frustrating. Um just being able to bring people through not only the education of that, but also the the spiritual depth. So there are our programs that we have had in the past and plan to relaunch. There are new programs that are coming. So, in order to, I think, stay the best thing to do would be to stay in touch. And going to our website is a great way to start. As soon as you come to the website, there's actually a really incredible tool. And I'm very excited to share that tool with you and with your audience. So it's the whole on breath practice, is what I call it. It's not exactly a meditation, but it is experience like a meditation when you receive that download. So if you go to the website, which is wholeonexperience.com, then you can get this uh free whole on breath practice download. And with that, there's there's a couple of really tremendous things that happen. This breath practice actually shows you how to utilize your energy field, how to align yourself to create an immediate neurobiological sense of safety is the first step. And then the other one is is an embodied knowing of the interconnectedness. So, and this isn't, you know, based on um visualizations, actually learning how to use the work with your energy anatomy so that you can maximize its function. Um, so it's a it's a really simple practice. And once you have learned it in the recording, which is about 20 minutes long, then you can actually utilize it all day long, eyes open, as you move through your life to bring yourself back to again that neurobiological safety and the knowing, the feeling of the interconnectedness, which is such a gift. And it's free. It is, it's free. I really, I mean, it's it is a foundational tool. It changes everything. So, so just so you know, non-meditators or people who have always struggled to meditate, the feedback that I typically get is whoa, what just happened? Um, I've one I've heard multiple people that don't know each other say, I feel like I'm an amoeba right now. I feel like that I'm kind of jelly and my edges are not distinct. Like the way that I could, like the rigidity that they didn't know that they were holding melted away. And then I've also heard meditators say, That was the most profound meditation I have ever dropped into. And so I really, I Really encourage people to utilize it and to share it. And if we can all remember our own actual neurobiological safety, like if we can actually have that feeling, that's a tremendous gift. And to be in the connection, like not thinking about it, but actually experiencing connection, that is that's the foundation of everything. That's the foundation of the release of pain and suffering and the allowance of our intuition and our joy to come forward. So it is such a gift, and I really want for everybody to just have it. Please, for free, go. Well, it'll it is on your website, which will be in the show notes. And your website is so beautiful, so inviting, so warm. And even when I went to it, I was like, oh my God, it feels like home, like going through it and being there. And, you know, there's there's something about what you're sharing that I feel at least is like a remembering of who I am, and to slow down and to give myself a gift of even more presence and to release any punishment, you know, and that's not why that word's coming through. But like that word is coming through of gosh, we're so friggin' hard on ourselves. And like, what does that do to the brain? It's terrible. I can actually answer that. So oh my God, I want to know. Are are sitting in a you know a chair and their brain is connected to this hardware, like I was saying, and that software is then telling their brain back how they're doing. If somebody is inside of a negative narrative, I don't know why I'm not performing that well. How come this little video game thing isn't working the way that I want it to be right now? Why am I not doing that? Should I breathe differently? Should I, should I flex my heart chakra bigger or you know, whatever it is they're thinking to themselves, like they're just making up all these stories or they're talking about the self-punishment. Their scores will continue to decline. And then as soon as they start to tell themselves, wow, great job. Brain, you're learning right now. It's okay if you're not doing it perfectly. Look at you, you're learning. You keep on showing up. Then their scores begin to immediately improve, right? And this is the interface of the mind and what it is that we tell ourselves and the brain and how it actually functions. And the brain, it doesn't matter. I'm like, we see the top performing of whatever in the world, really. And those folks often got there because they have pushed themselves from fear and they have shamed themselves and they have not allowed themselves to have reward. And what we allow is a shift so that they can actually source from love, positivity, um, and their fullest capacity. That's really where we're all going to leave the legacy, live the life that we want to live and leave the legacy that we mean to live, to leave behind us, is inside of the positive, love-based possibility. Uh, we don't get there through shame. I mean, we know this, but it's actually in how the brain is responding down into that 40 millisecond, you know, time frame. So, really giving ourselves permission to step out of the fear and into a different fuel source that's cleaner burning and ends us up where we want to be with the journey along the way that is the journey we want to have. And why do you feel like this is more urgent now than ever before? I mean, it's like uh we're watching uh we're watching things crumble faster than ever before. I mean, I think in recorded human history, it's never been such a wild time. And we are also in an age where we can't necessarily know what is true or how to process what is true. And so we really need to be able to feel that in our body and to be resilient enough to not become incapacitated. Because if we are incapacitated by the fear or the pain of what we're seeing, we're not able to help. It's like being a drowning lifeguard. Is that what happens when the mind and the body are out of sync? Yeah, totally. Um, we can basically be returned to just a stress case, you know, meltdown or dissociating, dissociating or whatever the strategy is that can happen for someone. Um, if and then from there, we're not able to help, right? And so it's not, you know, I think a lot of people are feeling guilty if they're feeling good right now because there's so much insanity. Like if they personally had a good day or a good week, they might feel shame over that. And I would say, please don't, and utilize that capacity that you have to be to be helpful. And even if we don't know what that means in a given moment, if we are poised on the in the side of the present moment in a certain way, uh, without tension and without having to try or any of that, just poised, what can happen is that we're on the doorway of a miracle at every moment. So what can happen is actually infinite, and we can't possibly predict the role that we will play. We can't possibly know. And so living into that and being able to rest deeply into ourselves and into our wellness and into our sense of trust in life itself, even when everything seems to be and maybe falling down around us, is key in order to be able to be truly helpful for each other. My husband and I have like this secret shame because 2020 was like really awesome for us. And you know, so many artists, he's he's a musician. I mean, he couldn't perform, you know, out in public and whatnot, but God, we had a great year. And we we we traveled, we moved, we sold a house, we helped with all these amazing philanthropic efforts. I started my business. We were just able to give so much and do so much while keeping ourselves safe and maintaining, you know, safety and and health within our family. And 2021 was hard, but 2020, like amazing year for us. And, you know, when people reflect back, you know, when they say, like, man, 2020, worst year of my life. And and a lot of people had the worst years of their life, you know, they lost people or uh were really sick or were really isolated, depressed. Like I worked with a lot of clients that year. I know how hard it was for everybody. And I was like, I didn't understand how much I loved it until you just explained that right now, because what we created from it and how we were able to help and him going live every day and just playing music for people who were stuck in their houses, you know, and me creating my courses and you know, us doing these live streams. We gathered, I have a production background, as you know. We've talked offline and I was part of a team that gathered major celebrities that everybody in the world knows. And we did these live streams and raised a bunch of money. And God, like it was, it was so fun. And now it makes sense like why I can why it was so rewarding to me while everyone else was suffering. And I, and thank you, Amy, for what you shared because I feel like I can set down the guilt that I've had about that. That's powerful. I'm so glad that you can set that down. Nice. Yeah, I would say that 2020 was an extremely hard year, and it's not that any of us wishes that upon the planet again, but I think it was a year of a great awakening because I know that so many people in that time period woke up to and got aligned in a different way. So I feel like what you're describing is a lot of alignment and the ability to express yourself and your ability to help people through that alignment. And it feels amazing to help people. It does. It does. Well, I want to wrap up with this last question because a lot of my audience might not be as familiar with biohacking and what that is. And especially, you know, I kind of nerd out and watch what's happening at CES and I read about different health things that are going on, but biohacking has gotten really crowded. And I'd love you to share a bit more about how Halan really stands out in that market. Yeah. You know, I was a part of biohacking before the term was coined, like over 20 years ago. So just as a piece of context, and what is biohacking in case someone just wanted to add that. I mean, I would say that it's kind of that idea of utilizing a tool or a method to be able to really change how your health is at a level that maybe feels almost like a cheat or like, you know, you get a you get ahead in some way. That's kind of, and a lot of the times it's very high tech, right? And so I think, you know, my my sense of what biohacking has come become to be as an a part of the industry, which I was formerly a part of it for quite a while, is more competitive, more ego. It's kind of it's kind of the same thing as what existed before. It's it's kind of like people can compete with their spirituality as well. So people can compete with, you know, their heart rate variability or, you know, how many ice baths they've done this week, or whatever, whatever it is. And what I would, what I would like to say that really biohacking is, if we, if we pull back and really look at it, is it's the capacity to augment our consciousness or our awareness in ways, because that's what all of those machines and methods really do. Somebody is probably never brighter and clearer than they are, maybe 15 minutes after getting out of a cold plunge, for instance, to go back to that example, right? Um, and so if we do these kinds of things, not in an egoic way to compete or compare or to punish ourselves or whatever, but because it feels good and we feel called to do it and we notice how we feel more alive, alert, wise, aware after, then we're really utilizing the medicines that kind of come through those biohacking methodologies for the goodness of our own body instead of kind of more of a self-punishment. And we're also using it, um, utilizing that so that we can expand our consciousness, which I believe as soon as we're doing that, we're actually really benefiting all of humanity, all of like the greater good, right? Even if we don't take action, our expanded awareness um makes that difference. So um I think that that's a very spiritual approach to what biohacking is. I don't usually like to use the term biohacking because it sounds very chop up and not nice. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Sounds like anti-healing. Um, but I think that it's really consciousness in in disguise, you know, is a conscious consciousness methodologies in disguise and we can live into it deeply in a in a spiritual way. And I think that that's a really unique perspective in the space for sure. Thank you. It's a it's a totally different world than thinking of ourselves as an inanimate object that we can treat like we're a robot, which is kind of part of that mainstream medical model, basically. Like if there's a problem, you either kill it or you cut it off. Or if there's a, you know what I mean? Like the way that we might think of ourselves as parts, like most doctors, most MDs now don't actually treat the whole person. They only know pulmonology or they only know whatever it is, right? They they're a specialist, gastrointernists, but they, but if you ask a gastrointernist a question that's actually a part of a system, which it's always a part of a system, they don't necessarily know how to answer it in terms of systems. So I think that biohacking is more reductionistic in certain ways. I'm so glad that it's out there because I think it can be a bridge for so many folks to find something more. Absolutely. Yeah. And I don't know that everyone understands that specialists aren't extremely well versed on the system those specialized organs or systems are connected to. And I remember when my godmother was in the hospital, you know, we had all the different the lung person, the heart person, they're all just coming in, right? And like, are they even talking to each other? Because we're like, we're writing notes, we're comparing charts, and then I would have, I would remind one of them what the other one said, and they hadn't even known. I'm like, oh, it just makes us spin. So to know that there's other options out there in addition to what we're what we're doing, uh, not telling anyone to please, if you're sick, go to the doctor, go to the hospital, take care of yourself. Please, please. But you know, it's uh I feel uh part of my message at least is to encourage people to also consider holistic approaches, homeopathic approaches, to look at how things are all connected. I am uh a huge fan of acupuncture and Chinese medicine and just all of it, massage, anything that can help us. As I I mentioned offline that I have this uh sound healing table that has now been uh gifted to me and delivered to my office. And I'm so excited for it. My my friend, who's he's uh part of the Temecula Neurological Department, uh, I think he runs it actually. He created the sound healing table that has like this water bed in it with all these crystals and these different things. So when you are hearing the frequencies, it travels through your whole body uh to receive healing. And I'm gonna be using it to help with lymphedema in my arm from having had cancer. And I've tested it, it had great results. And like we just don't know until we know, right? Until we like get sick of doing the same old shit that maybe didn't work before, like all the times I've wrapped my arms and you know, all the stuff. So, anyhow, I'll get off my my my high horse about it. But yeah, no, uh sound and and uh you know, vibration and what that does. It communicates to the water of our cells, it's communicated through the fascia that wraps through our entire body underneath the skin and around each organ. Um, it's incredible. I mean, we we are really limited, I think, in understanding the power of sound, but it is incredible what it has provided in clinical results for decades, you know, if not millennia, really, right? Sound and and music and vibration and drumming and all of that were one of the oldest medicines, not only for helping with maladies, but also entering into trance states and being able to get downloads. So it's powerful, potent medicine. And I support you in uh your discovery and your healing of your arm. I believe in you and your body's ability to heal that even all these years later. Thank you. Thank you, sweetheart. Is there anything that we didn't talk about that you want to talk about? I would say it's so important for people to recognize that we don't know everything and that we are walking, living, breathing miracles, a part of a huge system of miraculous and not well understood mechanisms. And that even in the darkest hours for our own personal journey or as a collective, that we are to remain united and to deep have that deep trust and faith in a bedrock of reality that is there with us through this time. And for us to be able to remember that we all have a really important part to play in this, and that we deserve to be relieved of our suffering. And that sometimes it takes more suffering to be able to realize that we can be relieved of suffering. And so I invite everybody to go ahead and just like you did today, relieve yourself of suffering, relieve yourself of shame so that you can be freed up to be even greater and be the light that helps, you know, that coherence field that helps to uplift everybody. And it's so important, especially now. Thank you. I just had this hit that exactly what you just said is gonna be like etched in iron on the side of a building. Everybody needs to hear that. Yeah, thank you. You're welcome. Be sure to connect with me at patreon.com forward slash the brilliance method. The only way I'll know if you're loving the show is if you leave a comment, five stars, and subscribe.