Sarah Roberts: ‘Wild Apprentice’

Welcome to episode 37, season 3, of the Teacher Book Club Podcast!

This is a recording of our most recent Instagram live special author chat for Earth Day, with author and eco-journalist Sarah Roberts!

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Tara had the pleasure of speaking to brilliant author Sarah Roberts about her new non-fiction children’s book, ’Wild Apprentice.’ Tara asked her our Teacher Book Club questions plus a few extras! It was great hearing all about the ideas behind the book, the research that went into it and the amazing stories Sarah had to tell from her career. We hope you love listening to it as much as we loved recording it!

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SPEAKER_00 0:09

Hello and welcome back to Teacherbook Podcast. My name is Tara. You may know me as Tara's Teaching, and I'm here today to share with you the latest live author chat that I had only yesterday. Hot off the press. I'm really excited to share this with you because I had the best time talking to author and eco-journalist Sarah Roberts. Her new book, World Apprentice, is incredible. It is beautiful, stunning to look at for starters, but is packed full of incredible facts and information about some of the wildest jobs you can get in the world. I think it's going to be amazing for children, so inspiring for them to find out about all different kinds of jobs to do with the environment and to do with animals. Sarah was amazing to chat to. However, unfortunately, our live chat didn't actually record the audio. So on Instagram, for some reason, there was some kind of fault with the audio. So if you were to go back and watch it on Instagram, uh, you won't be able to hear anything. So this is partly why I am sharing the podcast episode so soon after, because luckily I always do a backup and I always record on my iPad as well. So luckily, this means I can instantly share this podcast episode with you so that you can actually listen to the wonderful chat I had with Sarah. If you really want, you can also watch it at the same time. You could be, you know, really technically minded and play the podcast whilst watching the live chat, if you so wish. Just a thought. Uh but I really hope you enjoy it. And before I share it with you, I'm just going to read the blurb of the book, just to give you a bit more of an idea of what Wild Apprentice is all about. Are you undeterred by mud, swamps, creepy crawlies, and wild animals? Would you like to delve into unexplored caves, traipse through dense jungle, or dive deep beneath the ocean's waves? Then this is the book for you. Written by wildlife expert and eco-journalist Sarah Roberts. This epic guide to the men to the many fascinating, adventurous careers that exist in the world will have you frantically searching for your passport and rummaging for your rucksack. From big wave surfers and marine biologists to paleontologists, explorers, sailors, and wilderness medics, you'll learn which super skills are required, read words of wisdom from real life experts, and encounter fascinating facts, astonishing animals, top tips, and much more. So there you go, it's an amazing book, as I have mentioned. So I hope you enjoy learning all about it from Sarah. I'm good, thank you. How are you?

SPEAKER_01 5:30

I'm good, thank you. Yes, how's it going your time?

SPEAKER_00 5:34

Yes, oh good, thank you. Have you travelled back home today?

SPEAKER_01 5:38

Yeah, as if I look a bit dishevelled, I've I've kind of got back in the house that half an hour ago.

SPEAKER_00 5:44

Well, you've done well then. Amazing.

SPEAKER_01 5:49

And it seems like I might have brought some weather with me here. It's super sunny, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 5:53

It's lovely, yeah. We're doing alright.

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Uh uh.

SPEAKER_00 5:57

Oh much for having me. You're welcome. I'm really excited to talk all about Wild Apprentice. I've got it right here. This beautiful, beautiful book.

SPEAKER_01 6:09

Yeah, I mean, our our illustrator, um, she Marina Um Vanderwalt, she's amazing. You should check out her other books too. Oh, I will absolutely stunning, but it really, really pops, and that I can't take credit for that. That is her and the scholastic team of the art department, but yeah, gorgeous.

SPEAKER_00 6:25

Incredible, yeah. No, it definitely pops, definitely eye-catching, that's for sure. It's absolutely beautiful. So, we're here to talk all about it from your side as the author. Did you want to start with maybe a little summary, a bit of kind of an idea of what the book's about first?

SPEAKER_01 6:40

Yeah, well, so it's kind of born. Do you know what? It's a really long-winded idea. Um, I my background is is working with wildlife, um, and I haven't really had a straight-line career, if you will. I've I've sort of spun in many different directions um serendipitously um into a few different careers of which are featured in this job, which we'll talk about featured in this book, which we'll talk about. But um I I started going into schools as as part of what I do um probably about nearly 15 years ago now when I first started. Um, so although I work in the field of wildlife, I also spend about two or three months every year visiting schools. And I found that when I was talking to the kids and the teachers, they really didn't know a lot of the jobs that I I was doing and a lot of the careers that that I'd sort of talk about, they didn't know they existed at all. So for me, it was it was kind of um it's a book that is designed to be useful uh for for children, for parents, for teachers, um, to showcase really all the the realms of possibility that is out there if you want a job that is outside of the ordinary nine to five um office kind of um job, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:57

Yeah, that's amazing. And I always think a lot of children, if they love animals, they instantly think that they're gonna be a vet when they're older. But this is amazing because it shows there are so many possibilities if you want to work with animals or be outside, whatever it may be that you're interested in. Yeah, there's so many more options than being a vet.

SPEAKER_01 8:18

Well, I mean, even the vet the vet job itself, like we we've in this um this particular book, we've got about 10 different jobs. I'm hoping that we'll be able to branch out and do more series and more series. But I mean, even in the in the vet itself, when I talk to kids and they say they want to be a vet, I'm like, well, what kind of animals do you want to look at particularly? And they think, you know, what do you mean? And you could do big cats, you could you could be marine vet that specializes in in seals and dolphins and sharks, even like there's so much more to it. So I think it's just kind of like opening the the door of all the different possibilities, especially um, I mean, this is designed realistically for key stage two, although I have had a lot of kids that are a bit younger that are attracted to it about the book two. Um and we've also had interest in in sort of year seven year eight, too, um, because it's it's not a big read, it's it's got every detail of what they need to study it and and what the job consists of. But um the idea really i is just to give them a sort of blueprint, something I never had when I started my career. I I was I always say to kids, I was super lucky because I I early on knew that I wanted to work with animals. I knew I wanted to have big adventures, I loved playing out, I knew I wanted to be in the outdoors, um, but I wasn't entirely sure how to get from A to B because nobody around me, especially my family, they all have. I mean, you you've seen the name of my Instagram channel, it's um Sarah's room. Yeah, um, I've just seen somebody's put no audio. Are they able to hear this alright? Oh no. Maybe comment again if the audio is not.

SPEAKER_00 9:54

Yes, let us know if you can't hear.

SPEAKER_01 9:56

I can hear you.

SPEAKER_00 9:57

I can hear, yeah, we can hear each other, so hopefully. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:01

Of course. Oh god.

SPEAKER_00 10:03

If anyone can tell us, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:04

Yes, yeah, yeah. Um, so so yeah, so basically, um the idea really was was to make things a bit easier so that if kids learn about these jobs at an early age, then they know, you know, what to specialise in.

SPEAKER_03 10:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:20

I I I learned early that I needed science, and I wasn't particularly uh good at science in the first place. Like I had to work on it, but because I know I at the end of it I might have this adventurous job that involved travel and involved animals, it was a good way of keeping my focus.

SPEAKER_00 10:37

Yeah, that's brilliant, amazing. So you're obviously an author, but tell us a little bit about your other jobs as well.

SPEAKER_01 10:44

Yeah, so as I said, I think there's a few jobs in here that I've had experience with. Um, so I started out um in in sort of field research. My background's animal behaviour, and I started out as a as a shark biologist, really. Um, and and I was working out in the Bahamas for a while until I got bitten by one of the subjects, one of the sharks, um which which meant I couldn't go in the water. And when I couldn't go in the water, I had to find another way of being useful, and that's when I wrote Somebody Swallowed Stanley, my first kids book. Yeah. And it led me to start going into schools. And then I um yeah, I went from from that to working in the African bush for a little while as a field researcher. Um, and then I went to work in Canada as a grizzly bear guide, working um, yeah, taking people as close as you can safely get to see grizzly bears in the wild. Um, and in all of these different locations, I I was sort of collecting more and more stories, uh, be that written ones, but then also I sort of started filming that side as well. And then that's that led into the journalism. So then I kind of branched much more into the environmental journalism as well. Uh, so I travel a lot still and and I'm able to visit some amazing places and cover lots of different stories from uh human wildlife conflict with tigers to uh shark fishing um and climate change technologies, all different uh variety of uh of things. Um but I guess under the same boat, everything's just kind of born off curiosity and that that want to tell and collect stories, really.

SPEAKER_00 12:16

That's lovely, and that's great for children to know. Actually, you might start doing something, but it can lead to something else, and yeah, there's so many possibilities.

SPEAKER_01 12:25

Absolutely, yeah. It's not it's not just as simple as um, yeah, you you go to school, you get a degree, and you walk into one job, and that's you've done for the rest of your life.

SPEAKER_00 12:34

Exactly. Yeah, definitely. Amazing. So, which job featured in your book is your favourite and why?

SPEAKER_01 12:42

Oh god, that's so tricky because it's I know. And the thing is, even I was reading like when I was researching these different jobs, even I was sort of thinking maybe I need to switch career. Yeah. I mean, for me, I guess the paleontologist, realistically, is is one that I I think had had I not been inspired so much by Jaws, it would have obviously been Jurassic Park. So I think for for me, the paleontologist job, there's just this idea that you are gonna be in the most remote locations on the planet at times, like in the tundras, and and you could be ex you'd be the first person that would see or touch these these finds, these creatures that have died a long, long time before. Um, and then you've got to get to name them as well. I don't know, I think we're in such a weird time right now as well, with um the way technology's going. I know Steve Batcher would hate me for even saying this, but I I'm so intrigued to see where where it goes with Colossal and these new ideas where they're trying to um yeah bring de-extinct. It's not really correct because they're not really bringing dinosaurs back from the past, but they are you know utilising this DNA and these finds to potentially create new things, which is even more weird. I don't know. I think it's quite yeah, we're in a weird, crazy time to be alive. So yeah, I think maybe paleontologists would be up there. I think if not pro surfer, but I just don't have the skill set.

SPEAKER_00 14:09

I wish I could, but I've seen you've been skateboarding though, surely the same sort of skills.

SPEAKER_01 14:15

Oh yeah, look, I I would be mediocre uh at best. Um nah, I I I I the these athletes, the the the sort of fearlessness and the commitment to the training and the cause, it's insane. But I yeah, I love I love researching that. That was and the ones that you know I didn't know as much about Bruce Taylor as well. That was a really cool one to resort. And Wilderness Medic as well.

SPEAKER_00 14:42

Um yeah, I think I'm a bit of a wimp, so I think I would struggle with a lot of the options, but I think being a journalist, I think I would love that being able to write and kind of be creative and to travel. I love travelling, love seeing new places and learning new things. So I think for me that would be essentially it's collecting stories, right?

SPEAKER_01 15:10

And telling stories, so yeah, it's uh I do love that that part of my job. Yeah, I love it.

SPEAKER_00 15:17

So my next question is what was the best part of the book to research and write about?

SPEAKER_01 15:24

I love the fieldwork fails. That was I pushed so hard to have the fieldwork fails in there because having been bitten by a shark, I know that the kids love to hear that story, even though it was quite pathetic, it was like one meter lemon shark. It wasn't, you know, I've got all my limbs. Yes, good. It it's it it's such a good callback mechanism, it gets everyone back in the room because you can empathize, you can imagine it, you can really put yourself in that perspective. So for me, to get the the field work fails, like I I interviewed um loads of different people. We we had Charlie, the explorer, who had ended up in a Russian prison, and he's basically been planning this route for years to go down this Siberian frozen river, and it just so happened that the trip started, and then the Ukraine-Russian war broke out, and he he got arrested as a spy. Um insane stories. I have another friend of mine, Jack, um, who had he's a biologist in the book, Jack Randall, and he's you know done a few series with Nat Geo and Disney Plus, and he he's his fieldbook fail is when he was in the Amazon and he was um doing some research with with um um anacondas and he picked up the wrong end. Um there was uh there was essentially a pit where all of the snakes were breeding, and uh they'd found it him and another researcher, and they were going to study these snakes, and as they were removing the said snakes from the pit, he he picked up the the the business end. Oh wow and uh promptly got bitten and ended up with sex they're not they're actually non-venomous, but but it was such a deep bite and such a kind of wet and humid environment that um yeah, it really got him there. But uh wow.

SPEAKER_00 17:11

So getting to speak to all these amazing people and hear about their incredible lives and stories that's great.

SPEAKER_01 17:17

Yeah, I love the stories.

SPEAKER_00 17:19

Yeah, what a brilliant way to get to research. You're not just sort of you know cramped into the room, you know, on your computer, you're getting to go out into the world and talk to people, that's great.

SPEAKER_01 17:29

Yeah, I mean I'm hoping um we've got a link in the back of the book, which is um there's there's actually if anyone has the copy of the book, there's a QR code to scan. Yeah, and it takes you to a link for a podcast. So we're just in the final stages of you know editing and putting that together, but the interviews with the different specialists and different jobs and advice on how to get the jobs. Um so if you've enjoyed any particular one of these stories, then then hopefully in the next month or so you'll be able to scan that and then you can find the the podcast.

SPEAKER_00 17:59

Amazing. Oh, that's great, yeah, lovely. Yeah, children all love that.

SPEAKER_01 18:07

Yeah. I mean, it's the thing is it it's it's a great starting place as well. Um, I know one of the questions you wanted to talk about was uh how to inspire kids to write more non-fiction. Yeah and and this this book really just opens up the realms of lots of different characters and lots we have um you know people through time in each of these books. We have a uh an example of of somebody that's done the job, like wild legends. So we've got Dwayne Field and the Explorer section, um, who you know was the first black bit of Britain to reach the North Pole. Um, we've we've got Andy Cotton who broke his back surfing Nazareth. So there's there's these tidbits within the book that kids can then go away and do an entire you know piece just on those sections. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 18:56

Yeah, that's brilliant. Yeah, thank you. Um so do you have a favourite fact or maybe surprising detail from the book? There's a lot.

SPEAKER_01 19:05

There's a lot in this book. There's absolutely absolutely packed, I would say, with variant different things. Um I would say probably oh, it's so tricky. I I I mean, I'm I'm still in awe of the fact that you can study dinosaur poo, you know. I never really realised that the poo was something that still exists. So, you know, morbidly, probably that is that is up there for me. Yeah. Um, but I think, yeah, I don't know, like I think with the explorer section, the places that we've not explored yet, the places still left to see. Yeah, you know there's some interesting spots there as well. Um, but yeah, I I don't know, like there's there's too many to choose from. There are.

SPEAKER_00 19:56

I've I've cherry-picked, I've got two that I've written down. So I loved the fact that Greenland sharks can live up to 500 years old, and I like that you've put that this is kind of since Henry VIII was on the throne. That's how old that is.

SPEAKER_01 20:15

Absolutely. I mean, there's there's so many facts that we couldn't get into the book, but I mean most of the Greenland sharks are basically blind as well because they have little parasites that live on their eyeballs and eat their entire eyeballs throughout their life because they just don't need their eyes down there in the deep um because it's so dark. Yeah. Um, you know, and then you've got, like you said, that that they were around when um Henry VIII was there. Well, there's also that really great story about Ming the Clam. When you look at the climatologist section, although the climatologists, you know, they are you often associate them studying ice, but well, they're also looking at living creatures too. And you know, there's a famous example recently where they were looking at the the large uh clams that they'd taken from um, I think it was the Antarctic shelf, and when they open them up, they realise they'd just sort of accidentally killed one of the oldest living creatures they found, which is over 500 years old, which was around when the Ming Dynasty was around. But you know, this it just kind of every every different fact it really shapes what we think we know about these different places, you know.

SPEAKER_00 21:18

It does definitely, and I mean that perfectly brings me on to the second one I've written down. So during the Triassic period, temperatures in tropical regions sort of 50, even 60 degrees C, and no ice existed at the poles, even the seas were as warm as your bath. I mean, we can't even imagine that now. That's that's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 21:40

Well, do you know what? I I I I've covered it. I don't know if you uh I've been uh on this podcast which is called That's Just Wild, where we look at lots of different topics and you know and and cover those for different directions. And I think the one that always sticks with me is the grower bears, you know. So you've got grizzly bears and polar bears. Which can interbreed, and if it's a male grizzly bear and a female polar bear, it makes a groler bear. But the oldest living groar bear specimens that we found were from Ireland. So and every living polar bear today has some of that DNA in them. So the polar bears actually, the the start of the polar bears that that came from Ireland in the UK. So the whole idea of what we think, you know, the earth has always been changing, the climate's always changed. But that's the amazing thing about if you become a climatologist, because it's not just a study of the future, it's the past.

SPEAKER_00 22:34

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that mix of geography, history, and uh love again. Another section in the book, how it features kind of which subjects it links to, which is lovely because, like you say, you know, you had found out what you needed to study, needed that science, so actually that's how you have it.

SPEAKER_01 22:53

I I was that kid in school um who would do the chemistry sessions with her teacher sat next to her with lots of coloured pens after school going, this is how this chemical reaction works in the world.

SPEAKER_00 23:04

Yeah, it's hard.

SPEAKER_01 23:06

Yeah, yeah, but I mean, if you know what you want to do and it's gonna get you from A to B, then you're suddenly a lot more motivated to see through that pain, you know?

SPEAKER_00 23:14

Yeah, absolutely, yeah. If it's gonna get you there, then it's worth it.

SPEAKER_01 23:18

Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_00 23:20

Absolutely. Um, so my next question is what do you hope um that readers will take away from the book? What do you want them to remember the most?

SPEAKER_01 23:28

Honestly, I would love them just to to realise that there is more possibilities out there than they are led to believe, and that you don't have to fit a mould, you don't have to, you know, work within the confines of of what you've been told, you can trailblaze your own job um and and and make a career, you know, without even necessarily doing just one of these. You like I have done, you could be doing an intersection of a few of these. Yeah, so I I just hope it broadens your minds and and really inspires you that if there's something that you enjoy doing now, you can make a career doing it when you're older.

SPEAKER_00 24:05

Yeah, yeah, definitely. I think it definitely will do that. I think yeah, children are gonna be truly inspired and think, actually, yeah, there are so many options, there's lots that I can, you know, it broadens their horizons, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_01 24:17

Definitely, definitely.

SPEAKER_00 24:18

Yeah, amazing. Um, which job from the book have you already experienced? I know we've talked about a few, um, and which would you then like to try?

SPEAKER_01 24:28

Yeah, so I mean, in the book I've done, I would say, the biologist job a little bit, the marine biologist job a little bit, the journalist job. I'm probably a little wildlife filmmaker, although I'm mostly in front of the camera rather than behind it. Yeah. But I've had a good taste of all these different sections. Yeah. Um again, you know, if in another world I would have loved to have gone into pro surfing, like that would have been. It would have been to remember. I've always wanted to sail all the way around the world, so probably try to stay all over there. Um but I think you know what actually, because when I did the grizzly bear job, we had to do a two-week um extreme medical course first because I was still working with these great big predators, um, and you're in a remote environment. And and so we did a wilderness medic course, and I absolutely loved it. Um but I you know came off the back of it really hoping I was gonna walk into a helicopter crash because you practice the scenario. But now it's all gone from it. It's like the worst thing on the planet is oh god, I really hope I never encounter someone with a broken leg or something because I can't remember anything about splinter. Um but I do think the wilderness medic is such a varied and exciting job. Like it can take you onto film shoots, it can take you onto expeditions, it can take you just in and into field research. And I I think actually, if I was gonna pick any of it, maybe Wilderness Med Medic.

SPEAKER_00 25:54

Yeah, really cool, yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_01 25:57

And to be able to still travel and do all those things, absolutely, uh, and yeah, just get that adrenaline kick every time something goes wrong.

SPEAKER_00 26:06

Yeah, definitely amazing. So, have you got any children's book recommendations that you could give us?

SPEAKER_01 26:13

Yes, yeah, so um my top three would be um firstly Catherine um Rundle the Explorer, yes, one of my old time favourite.

SPEAKER_00 26:21

Same absolute favourite.

SPEAKER_01 26:23

And I love the message behind it. I love the the whole pretense of you know you can find and and go to the and and you know it's a little in the explorer book, but you can find these amazing places, but the minute you start telling people about them, it's not gonna be that natural, incredible wilderness. So, you know, you've got to keep your secret spot secret. Yeah, um, so so that one I love.

SPEAKER_03 26:45

Yeah, right now.

SPEAKER_01 26:46

I really, really love Dr. Zeus so the places you will go. I used to carry that round with me um on all my trips just to keep me grounded because I really feel like as an adult, you have a whole different appreciation for that book where you're like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I I know what spread I'm at right now. Yeah. Um yeah, definitely. Um, and then probably John Classen, um, which is uh the Who Stole My Hat, the one with the fish. Yes. The one with the fish is my favourite of all of his.

SPEAKER_00 27:16

I mean, they're dark humour.

SPEAKER_01 27:18

They are dark humour.

SPEAKER_00 27:19

Yeah, I like that though.

SPEAKER_01 27:21

And you know, again, important message don't steal things, kids. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 27:26

Yeah, brilliant, amazing, thank you. So you touched on writing tips to kind of get children writing, and us as teachers, obviously, we teach children writing every day. And I think non-fiction is actually quite tricky to teach and to support children with, um, particularly kind of like the research side of things as well, and then getting that research and getting it into written form. Um so yeah, if you've got any tips, that would be amazing.

SPEAKER_01 27:53

Again, you've got to start with inspiration, right? Yeah, yeah. You can't get people, they have to be excited from the get-go, and it's the same with me, you know. If if I'm looking at a new book, if the topic doesn't catch my attention, if it doesn't blow my mind, you know, it's the hook at the start that that will really um motivate you to go away and do the research and and look at it from a different angle of a different take. But my other thing would be to get your hands dirty, get the kids to write about real experiences that they've had and start from there. Because if it's relatable, then it's easier for them to start putting words on a page and to start imagining it for other scenarios. So, you know, if you're if you're wanting to talk about climatology or you wanted to talk about different things, then have the kids you don't have to keep writing as a separate topic, you don't need to keep English separate from science. No, absolutely the more that you can intertwine and blend these, then they're writing it. I I think that the memory sticks better for the kids and the experience sticks better, and then it applies more when they come up to research it because they have a relatable experience as well.

SPEAKER_00 29:04

Yeah, that's great.

SPEAKER_01 29:05

Yeah, so essentially get your hands dirty and make sure you've got a good hook.

SPEAKER_00 29:09

Yeah, yeah, definitely. We're working on that a lot actually in my school at the moment, having that hook, just the inspiration, then the children have so many more ideas after that.

SPEAKER_01 29:20

I mean, go and listen to that just wild podcast because each one of those episodes we crammed it with so many different topics and different little hooks of different species, and we could really expand on any one of those topics.

SPEAKER_00 29:33

Yeah, that's great. And like you said earlier, actually looking through the book as well and thinking, yep, this person, I want to find out more about them or more about that job, where can I go through that?

SPEAKER_01 29:44

Absolutely. I mean, you've got to I think you have to have uh it's gotta evoke some feeling in you really to to want to go away and and and expand on any of these subjects, it's whether it's fear, curiosity, humour, yeah, you know, excitement, it's gotta evoke something in you.

SPEAKER_00 30:00

Definitely, and I think when children have that desire so many times, like they just go home and then they want to do even more, and it's so lovely. They'll bring it in the next day. Look, I've found out some more facts. It's great.

SPEAKER_01 30:12

Yeah, no, I love that. I love that. I I'm I've been lucky enough to sort of do some schools that I I do a lot of school visits, as I said, and some schools and they're multiple days, and it's really, really fun to sort of obviously first day nobody knows who I am. Second day, I've got like half of year four or half of year three. We found the short facts and we've just watched all the shorts, have we seen this have? Um if you get them expired and get them inspired, then the work actually comes naturally.

SPEAKER_00 30:44

Yeah, amazing. Um so what is next for you? What is coming up in your world or in your book life?

SPEAKER_01 30:52

Um, so in my world, um it's actually quite a weird and scary time right now because I'm about to kick off a film tour which I've never done before, and it's on a it's it's actually based on something that I teach in school. So I do a topic in schools called Into the Grey, which is an entry into the world of environmental journalism. But now I'm taking that on the road with a full-length documentary on trophy hunting, and it's it's essentially taking a topic that we feel that we know a lot about it, we feel very passionately and very strongly about it, but actually I want to broaden your mind and open it up and show you that maybe it's a little bit more complex than we think, it's a bit more grey. So um I'll be taking um into the gray the hunt on the road. We have a panel talk afterwards, um, where we've got scientists and we've got experts and we've got storytellers joining us um on the panel to discuss it further. And um, so we've got one on the 13th of May um in London at the Frontlines Club, one on the 20th of May at Cambridge um at the Attenborough Building. I'm in Cambridge. Oh, please come. I'd love to.

SPEAKER_00 32:00

Where did you say it's when did you?

SPEAKER_01 32:02

Uh 20th of May is going to be at the Attenborough Building at the um Cambridge Um Conservation Institute. So um wow. And um, and then we've got another one which is going to be in Bristol um with Wild Screen um at Bristol Mega Screen on the 21st. But I'll be sharing all that all over my social media. Right, yes. Do come drink. I would love to have a drink after that. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, so so they're they're coming out, and then I've also got um two more books. So them is um uh in the sort of art department of scholastics right now. That's that's the next title. I don't know if I'm allowed to say that. Well, there you go, it's all them. Um so that's um that's on the topic of biodiversity, that's similar age to Stanley, uh Colin and Wilson. Um and then I have another uh Key Stage 2 book. Um, if you guys have heard of the series um Animalia, which do those amazing um almost I would just say coffee table books because the illustrations are fantastic. Yeah, they have um uh sort of younger age group books that for Key Stage 2, Key Stage 3, and um they have different guest uh writers. So I've done one on Deep Sea, which is going to be coming out later this year. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:11

Oh lovely, lots going on then. How exciting?

SPEAKER_01 33:15

Yeah, lots to look out for.

SPEAKER_00 33:17

Oh amazing! Yes, and I'll I'll see you in Cambridge.

SPEAKER_01 33:20

Please pop my email. Like give me a message afterwards. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 33:25

Yeah, thank you. Oh well, thank you so much. It's been lovely and just amazing to hear all about your job and the book. It's fantastic. So thank you.

SPEAKER_01 33:34

Oh no, thank you so much for having me, it's been a pleasure. You're welcome.

SPEAKER_00 33:37

And Earth Day is tomorrow, so this was perfect timing.

SPEAKER_01 33:40

Yes, happy earth day and to you.

SPEAKER_00 33:43

Thank you, speaking too soon. Hi, there we go. That was my lovely chat with Sarah Roberts. I'm so glad you were able to listen to it after our slight technical difficulties. Uh, when we were actually doing the live, we had no idea really that it wasn't working. There was one person that commented saying that there was an oral audio, but no one else had said anything, and we we thought it was fine. So sorry if you did end up watching it live or have tried to look at it on Instagram, but thank you if you've headed straight here and listened to it instead. So I really hope you enjoyed it. Sarah was amazing to chat to, she's got so many incredible stories and has obviously lived an amazing life travelling around the world and experiencing some incredible careers. So I really hope that this inspires children. I really truly think it will. Um, there are so many amazing jobs out there, and I think it's great that Sarah is promoting that and sharing with children through this book all of the amazing possibilities of different careers that they could experience and hope for. So thank you so much for downloading and listening, and I will see you again very soon.