Travelcast with Igar Garai

E13 - Aida and Toni: Embracing Nomadic Life, Travel Safety and Relationship Growth

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Ever wondered how it feels to leave your stable life behind and embrace the nomadic lifestyle? Join us as we sit down with Aida and Toni, a couple whose adventurous spirit led them to full-time travel. From Aida's first spontaneous trip to India that sparked her wanderlust, to Toni’s transformation from a career-driven individual to a globe-trotter inspired by Aida's fearless solo adventures, their journey is filled with eye-opening experiences and personal growth. Discover how they took the plunge, sold their possessions, and never looked back.

Navigating the world as a couple presents its unique set of challenges and rewards. Aida and Toni share the secrets to maintaining harmony on the road, balancing detailed plans with spontaneous adventures. You’ll hear about their thrilling hitchhiking escapades across Europe, the importance of trust and communication, and their strategies for financial and mental preparation for long-term travel. Their stories highlight how different travel approaches can actually strengthen a relationship, making their journey together even more enriching and exciting.

Safety is paramount, especially for women traveling solo in diverse regions. Aida’s experiences in India and other places provide invaluable insights into women's travel safety. Her tales of resilience and resourcefulness in challenging situations offer powerful lessons on respecting local customs and trusting your instincts. Finally, we explore their future travel ambitions, including an extensive itinerary through Europe and Asia, and discuss how they plan to keep the magic of travel alive while possibly finding a new place to call home. Whether you're a seasoned traveler or just starting your journey, Aida and Toni's story will inspire you to chase your dreams and explore the world fearlessly.

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Igar

Hello, dear travelers, and welcome back to another episode of Travelcast. Today we have not one, but two incredible guests, ida and Tony, an adventurous couple who have traveled extensively, both solo and now as a team, and made the bold decision to leave behind their old life to travel full time. And well, they arrived oniday 13th to my apartment, they started their trip on 13th and now, guys, welcome on episode 13 of the travel cast and thank you for joining. And, guys, can you please start telling a little bit about yourself, about your background?

Aida

so I will start first. I think so because, as tony say, always, I'm the boss of the couple, but I'm not sure about it. So, uh, about my background, I just I can define myself that I started like seven years ago. I started traveling and COVID, I'm so sorry but fuck me so I had to stop and I thought that I needed to continue with it. So that's why we started to travel again, but in this time I met Tony, so now we are traveling together. It would be like a fast summarize of my short life.

Toni

In my case. First of all, thank you, igor, for this opportunity, really appreciate it. And my background was really different than Aida, because my objective since I finished my degree was to be the best in my job, so I tried to be prepared for everything to be the boss from sales in my company. So when I arrive there, I say, okay, I'm here, but that's all. It's not what I imagined. So after I met Aida and we, I think together we both think, okay, if you don't like your life at the moment, I don't like my life, why we are gonna try to live another life or to see other type of life around the world?

Igar

so for that reason we started one month ago yeah, sweet, sweet and long journey to go in front of you guys, right, yeah, well, um, well, um, I know we have, yeah, both of you guys, but I also know that, yeah, and you either mentioned that you started your travels like before, before you met tony and like um so in general like how, how like, why did you start, how? Why did you like, how did you start? Why did you start? And, and, uh, yeah, and maybe bonus question will be for you what did you start first, like couchsurfing or traveling?

Aida

it was couchsurfing. Yeah, uh, yeah I. It was fun because I met one guy in tinder and he explained it. He explained it to me that there was an app that was couchsurfing better than tinder.

Aida

Yeah, so he started to tell me that oh, wow, I think I need to to try it. So I started couchsurfing as hosting people, and also I felt that my my life in that moment was super good for the Spanish standard that your parents expect from you. Like, I live by myself. I just went here before I bought like a Mercedes Clase A I live by myself in the city center of Valencia and also I had a good position on my job. So I just started to host people because I felt that something I missed something in my life and I realized that, uh, I really love to see all the good vibes that people just bring to me when they were there. So I decided that I was going to host more and more and more. And suddenly there was one host that changed my mentality. Like he was traveling with a motorbike around Europe.

Aida

So I saw that there was other kind of life, that instead of working every day, just enjoy the life. So I just met him and after like one month I had one month free at my job and he asked me if I wanted to visit India with him Because he was traveling with a motorbike. But like one week after of leaving my house he just left the motorbike in Italy Because he was from Italy and after he started like a big trip without the motorbike in.

Aida

Asia. So I said, okay, why not? So my first trip was to India. So after 22 days in India, I just I remember that I was doing a scale with the flight in Moscow and I started to cry Like I didn't want to come back to my normal life.

Aida

I just wanted to trip and enjoy the life and be outside of the bubble that everyone's tell you that you have to be. So I decided I was going to save money for five months, six months because I wanted to start my trip in summer I'm a summer person, not a winter person. So, uh, I saved money. I sold all my stuff, even my car. It was one year only all my shoes. I had more than 100 pair of shoes. I was, yeah, super fashion and cool and, uh, august, the 16th of august, I decided that I was going to leave, uh, to quit my job and everything. I started a new life. That's why I started the eight-month trip until the COVID in the Philippines. So it would be a little bit the background of why I started to travel.

Igar

And India. Like, yeah, like. I have a question about India from many perspectives, yeah, like, and trip in details, but I want to just jump directly for the woman, because it was a solo traveler in India and in general I wanted to open like like this topic, how it was for you, your experience as a female and pros and like cons.

Igar

I mean like what you was like wow, amazed, and like what something, what was like dodgy, because I know, like I heard different stories and just want to know your stories as a female in india, as a solo female and again like it's first country, as you said, maybe not first, but I mean like for yeah, for the big travel. It's like even in my mind, like I was like crap, like even I would like, before going.

Aida

Okay, it's like something already a little bit different, you know so yeah, so for the first time that I was in india, it was for the 22 days and I was with Italian guy, so it was a smooth and easy because he traveled a lot, so we he was just being the boss of the trip, so I just was following, all right.

Aida

But when I started my solo trip that I was almost three months in India it was totally different. But I always say the same if you're a woman, you have to be a smart when we are traveling. I mean, I did hitchhiking, I use couch surfing always, and you just need to be conscious where you are, what kind of clothes you wear, how you respect the country and the people that you are in that moment. And also you have to listen yourself. That's, for me, is the best thing listen yourself what you feel and if you need to change your mind in one moment, just do it. Also something that it was really useful for me. I used to work in automotive sector, so I was surrounded for men all the day, so I have a strong character. So when I was abroad, for example in india, I didn't feel that men were more than me. I just felt the same like, for example, if I try to take a tuk-tuk and they try to scam me because I'm a woman, I'm white and I'm from abroad.

Aida

I just asked before one local how much is the price for the tuk-tuk and when I went there I negotiated with them like listen, I'm up from abroad, but I know that normally the kilometer it's I don't know 10 rupees, 1, 000 rupees, you know that's kind of so I'm regarding the safety. For example, I use couchsurfing a lot, so I was always with a local even women, men and I have to say that I didn't.

Aida

I didn't feel that I was unsafe there. I had a good experience also hitchhiking in india yeah, you did so yeah, yeah, the only thing is the north it's, uh, more poor than the south. So I totally recommend, if someone goes to india, if they want to, if they want a cultural shock, go to the north.

Aida

But if you want to go just as smooth, trying to understand, how is the people how is the people and everything go to the south and just going up step by step with your mood and also, maybe the first days you will hate ind but you will fell in love with. India.

Igar

And then you kind of like challenges, also female, you had. You said like nothing really, you felt unsafe, but like Not in India. Very nice okay, good, good.

Aida

Not in India, maybe around other countries, yeah, and other countries and other countries again maybe in sarajevo.

Aida

Sarajevo for the spanish people uh, I had one incident with with one guy. Uh, he was from gout surfing. I went there at two in the morning. He tried to have something more with me. I just went to the kitchen because he tried to touch me and push me to have something. So I went to the kitchen, I take a knife and I say my mom is not going to cry, do you want that George cry? And he just watched me like okay, I think she's crazy, but in that moment I was crazy.

Igar

This is good. I mean you don't understand the words.

Aida

The listeners can't see me, but I'm 1 meter 50. I'm super small so imagine you even 1 meter 50? Yeah, yeah, 49, I think. So yeah, 1 meter 50, because normally when there is a meter, I just close it so yeah, in that moment I just did that and I left the house and it was fun because I forgot my bills for the malaria, because I was going to go to asia so I had to asia, asia.

Aida

So, um, I had to come back to the same flat that I told the guy listen if you don't stop. And I took the pills and after I just went to a hostel that they didn't speak at all English, so I was using the translator, and also in Mykonos, I had a huge accident with a motorbike.

Aida

I was talking with the guy in the motorbike because he picked me up from the bus at 12 at night and we were talking and I think that he was expecting to have something else with me and I just said that I was lesbian.

Igar

Mykonos you know, is like I was lesbian, I couldn't ask you?

Aida

no, it's like you're a lesbian. Yeah, Also, I was doing my trip, I was carrying like a photo book in my some pictures with some friends, like with one friend that was really close, like if I had this kind of situation I can say, okay, I have girlfriend. So in that moment he turned the face to me. That was behind in the motorbike and we crashed with a wall. So, yeah, I had all my knee like for two months with a hole and everything.

Aida

Yeah, yeah. So on that night it was the end of the season summer season in Mykonos. Everything was closed and I didn't know where I could go. So at the end I just were there without sleeping, like just waiting the morning at 5. Like I need to take a bus and just leave in this place. So they would be the two more difficult situations in the trip but, apart from that, everything was smooth, super smooth. But being smart always, yeah, I totally agree with that.

Igar

Oh yeah, and coming back to that indian trip, yeah, yeah, just want to also briefly touch again, like, because it's like it was your first steps and everything, how like it was in general impact you like your life and your mindset and like your, yeah, personal growth, uh, spiritual, yeah that for me, the, the change in my life.

Aida

That's when, when people say that, no, I start traveling to try to find myself, and this bullshit that nowadays everyone says, uh, I didn't went there because I wanted to find myself, it's just. He told me I'm in india and I say, okay, why not? I'm from spain, I always ready for a party, so I just went there and the first impact I didn't think that I was going to India just you know, I was not conscious so, yeah, I was not conscious that what I was going to find.

Aida

So the first feed that put in the airport in india was like fuck where?

Igar

I am really. Is it bad yeah it's done.

Aida

Yeah, super bad. And even when you go outside it's like there was not electricity, maybe some lights, the roads, they are not finished, they are with sand. Uh, if you want to take a bus, there is no bus stop, it's just you, you I don't know, you write the hand and maybe, maybe the stop, yeah, but sometimes you have to jump inside this is where I experienced this kind of vibe in sri lanka.

Igar

Yeah, that on the way jump these people, yeah, yeah it was fun.

Aida

Also, the guy, uh, the italian guy uh, he rented a room. When we entered in the room, when we entered in the building, I think I haven't seen in my life this kind of building. It was just a disaster, I can't describe it. But when we were inside the room it was like, okay, I think this is a fancy room, but I don't see the fancy. Yeah, so every day there were, there was something new, like, for example, the cows, uh, eating car box on the street, children without clothes around, um, guys, just there was fun. Because there was one day that there were one group of guys just playing cards in the street. I was surprised because they were not working and I'm very curious. I just went there and I asked them why are you not working? I mean, it's one in the morning, afternoon, and they told me we work this morning. We uh earn enough money to survive, so why are we going to work more today?

Aida

so they live day by day and for me it was like whoa, no inflation for guys yeah, and also, for example, we went to take a train and everyone was waiting there smiling like, and I asked them the the train should be here and they tell me, no, why? Because it is written that, yeah, it was written. But, uh, it could be maybe in one hour. Yeah, yeah, but in one hour I want to be. Yeah, but we don't give a shit where you want to be in one hour. So it was like cultural shock from Europe that everything is organized, you have a nice children, you have everything, and there was a chaos, a madness, a mess, but you start to love this madness. You think that you are too organized in Europe and everything was well there. I mean, works well for them. I think it was the Cultural shock that I had. I just felt in love.

Traveling as a Couple

Igar

Good, very nice. Yeah, and like, you see, after all years, after years, and now now you guys, yeah, tony, welcome back. Uh so yeah, like, and so far, after years and years, you guys like met and like decided to travel together for now. And uh, so, tony, how did she convince you for this lifestyle, for this madness? To tell me?

Toni

your intro and how and how do you got convinced for this? Is a good question, because I met her when she started the first trip. So it's like in that moment I thought wow, that is unbelievable, that first, first ever that in India.

Toni

And she said how is possible a girl under 1.50 start a trip alone with a bag and so on? I said, wow, it's like my mind exploded. And after one year and a half, more or less after the COVID, we continue speaking and so on, and I was free at that moment also and I say, ok, if in that moment I like it, why I cannot do it by myself? But for sure, the answer is clear, because I'm not going to take any risk if I do it alone. And I say, OK, we are going to do it together because I trust in her, she has experience. She was in a madness countries like India. So we said, ok, we are gonna start together and I trust in her. And we are here and we started in Europe. Because the story is really funny, because Ida said you're talking now, sorry about trip now.

Igar

Yeah, because it's also your first trip now. Yeah ok for me to don't miss, maybe I just don't know something. It's like already?

Toni

no, because in my case, I have never been abroad I mean abroad, in europe.

Toni

For sure, I know all the countries, but after this month I can confirm that europe is like uh, everybody is standardized. So we are really similar in all the countries in europe. And we say, toida, explain me. Okay, considering that you are organized, you are a structure. You need everything in your life. You need also the same bed, you need also the same food. You need the schedule every day, controlled by you. Okay, we are going to do it in this way. We are going to start in Europe. That is similar.

Toni

You feel, how is live in a in another country? Who is to share even a bed, who is to share a home, who is to work or who is working couchsurfing? That is my first time also, and at the moment I'm really happy with it. I also the hitchhiking, so at the moment everything is running properly and well. So it's like the pilot trip that we will say in order to jump to asia. So we'll see. At the moment everything is running properly. We will see nasia because, after all the comments that I just said, I don't know if I will accept the next part of the trip, but at the moment I can confirm that I will be with him well, like, but cool man, like, uh, excited for this, for this switch and for this lifestyle.

Igar

Let's see, and like it's actually very smart also from from uh, yeah, from you to to make this smoother. Yeah, like kind of to to find this like okay, here's some europe anyways. To still explore. Yeah, still like, with all similarities, we still see the difference, like something can be something, even by pictures, by building. Yeah, people complain, hey, europe like similar, yeah, somehow historically based, but like traditional, some food or some details or some small behaviors.

Igar

It's always something different, and really different and yeah, values and like, even like past, you know like and so on and so on. So like kind of, yeah, like still some, and nature wise, yeah, interesting, very interesting yeah, and interesting, very interesting.

Toni

And how do you feel so far, after a month? Yeah, perfectly yeah really happy, all cool. Yes, I don't regret about anything, considering that I quit my job and now I'm traveling without earning money.

Igar

So I can say and like, in general, how does this like traveling as a couple? Well, it's maybe more question to you like, how is traveling as a couple you feel difference than like when you're solo, because again, you in this travel, you as a boss, you organize, but again when you're solo you're also kind of your boss. So like, how do you feel the difference for?

Aida

you, for me, yeah, for me the worst of being a couple traveling Is the pressure that I have on myself.

Aida

Because, for example, if I made a bad decision in my first trip, it's a decision for me, but now it's a decision that affects also to Tony, so even that he's trusting me all the time, like it's normally if you do things normally that you can make mistakes I have a little bit depressive, like, for example, if we are doing couchsurfing and the host is not as we expected, that maybe it's you know, the, or it's boring, or it's, you know, that's not the, the thing that you expected. I felt maybe a little bit not guilty, but not a little bit guilty, not um a lot.

Toni

but you feel like you are responsible yeah, it's just I'm the responsible.

Aida

But yeah, I think everything is going also as smooth because, for example, the first day that he did hitchhiking, I just left him to do it because I did already and I wanted that. He felt in that moment the sensation of doing it for your first time and he just took the first ride in two minutes.

Igar

Two minutes so, but where you've been, uh it was in switzerland no, no, but you was hiding, or what?

Aida

yeah, I just. I mean it's, it's, it's easily to hide me okay, okay okay so yeah, two minutes.

Aida

It was super good, super good. But uh, apart from that, maybe sometimes I miss, like when I was traveling. Uh, I'm uh the kind of person that I'm happy being alone. I don't need to have people surround me like I can go to have dinner by myself to the cinema. I enjoy these moments. So, for example, when I was traveling by myself and I was doing cacao surfing, there were some days that I tried to be in hostels because I wanted to be free of talking with people.

Aida

I didn't want to be nice I just want to be introspective, yeah so what happened?

Aida

that? Now we are a couple, so I never feel alone and sometimes I need these moments of being by myself in introspective way. And at the beginning it was harder to explain him like listen, this is going to happen to me because I know my personality. But we found that it was easy because it happens the same with him. So he sometimes needs also to have moments to have by himself.

Toni

And I think for me it's really easy Because everything that I live right now is new, so I don't expect anything, because if you expect and something happens that you don't expect, it's like you fail. So I try to leave the trip like we will see what happened. I know the responsibilities for her is too much sometimes only to choose the place, to choose even the host and the place that we are gonna leave or whatever, but for me at the moment it's really easy because I don't expect anything. I trust in her and at the moment everything is running softly, always it's easy.

Aida

I mean, for example, traveling with him is super, super easy.

Toni

I'm trying to be adaptative, yeah he never complains, never only.

Aida

He reminds me that I have to drink water but it's the only thing that yeah, drink water, the only thing that.

Toni

Yeah, actually, I hear you already so no, because I say, when we started the trip I said, okay, I'm gonna do a trip that could be the best trip of my life, because I'm with 34, so I'm not younger, as you can imagine. I feel younger, I see okay, I'm gonna live the trip like an adventure and don't think too much, because if you don't think too much and you try to live like your normal life, it's not an adventure. You are gonna live like always in a different place and in a different home.

Toni

If you are gonna try to have the same schedules, the same food, the don't know the same customs that you have, it's not make sense. You will be no an adventure.

Igar

So no, it's an adventure because I am a data people yeah yeah super easy, but it's actually very interesting what you say, like about, yeah, like your approach for the travel is an adventure. And yeah, because I also wanted to ask how do you gain? Both of you like you decided, okay, hey, we're gonna quit the job, like with all this life, sell whatever, like you sell, or like move from apartment and so on and so on, all these private things you should be done and like, as you told me, uh, today or yesterday, that like, uh, yeah, it's like you cut and kind of know back, just like you go back for short period of time for personal reason and then like again come back to, to the road. Uh, so, yeah, like, and, for example, tony, for you also the question well, it's maybe for both of you how you face this uh, daily routine. Like that is like completely change again, sleeping, not in the bed. Yeah, like eating, as you mentioned already in conversation, not your protein.

Toni

You know your yoga, slimmer exercises.

Igar

Yeah, like I mean your routine, you had like stable routine and your life, you had your career going on, all stuff was going here, there, all you know. So like how is for you this change, and for both mentally, physically also?

Preparing for Long-Term Travel Adventures

Toni

yeah, that is a good question is because, before starting the trip, I think a lot about this in order to avoid to be like a bloke by myself to enjoy about the trip. So what I did is okay. I have to think that when I started this trip, I have to value other things. So what I value the people that we met, the countries that we visit, the weather that we find, the food that sometimes we can eat, but normally the typical food is bread with cheese. So it's like we, we, it's what we validate every day. Yeah, okay, for example, that we met to you. Yeah, really great.

Toni

I'm not able to validate the things that I did in my normal life. It's not. It's not make sense. I will destroy the trip in two weeks because, since the beginning, you are not in your bed, you are not in your bathroom, you are not in your showers, you are nothing. Even you use the same clothes to sleep, that to to live in or to do six, seven. So that was one of the point be mentalized before starting the trip did you prepare yourself long time or how was this transition?

Toni

because that trip has been prepared for two years. Okay, but when I say two years is not by me, I mean not for my mentality. It was just to prepare the trip in order to be able to quit our job and leave without needed a job. I mean without a salary.

Toni

So we prepared during two years about saving money, invest money in different assets and say, okay, after two years we are prepared. We also quit in our life, of the social life, because, considering our jobs, we were able to go on the weekend you can imagine wherever or take something every day, even take all the meals outside. And we decided, okay, our objective is clear, we have a path. We have to focus on it okay. Okay, we are going to do it.

Toni

I know it's difficult in this society because for sure you'll receive a lot of comments against you, because for sure many people close to us say you are crazy. But if you have good job, you are 34, you have to think about child, you have to think about enjoy your life trip to new york, trip to get a trip to philippines or something like that, if you want to enjoy one month. And I said, yes, this is the rat run, I don't know how to say, like you are doing every day the same. So we prepare in that part, I mean two years. The money part I said I know it's correctly, but the money part the financial part.

Toni

But at the same time that I'm preparing the financial part, in parallel I'm preparing myself to launch the trip I mean to go abroad. So it's like you, I'm mentalized about everything. I'm not able to say okay during two years, but for sure the last month or two months before starting, I was thinking okay, tony, don't think a lot, don't think twice the things. You have to be with the flow. Don't try to have everything organized. If not it's not make sense to start a trip like an adventure. If not, you can start a trip like a normal person go abroad, go to europe and I don't know, meet the people and that's all.

Aida

And for me just the opposite I'm alive I mean when I feel the butterflies in the stomach like something is going to happen. It's just, I feel, happy. So, for example, these two years that we were super organized, that we were having the goals and challenges of every day to have a student and what we have to do in that moment, for me were just a little bit strong and also I was depressed. I know that the goal was to travel, but it was too much for me, so now I'm just the opposite. I'm.

Aida

I'm just in a bubble like well, I don't want that it ends, so I need more adventures that's something that also I talked with him that I don't know if I put too much pressure in this trip, uh, but I remember when I traveled, like eight years ago, seven years ago, we, I live more adventures than now. Everything now seems super normal. So I can't wait to go to asia to to feel like, okay, more adventures, more risky, more you know but also could be because she already lived this type of thing for me, for example everything is an adventure even to be here absolutely recording the podcast could be an adventure.

Toni

Yeah, but maybe next year when you call me again because this podcast is going to be successful and you say, okay, you're going to record it. The second one, maybe it's just it's not the same adventure, so for her it's the same. Now, hitchhiking for me was an adventure. For her is okay. Uh, yeah, one trip entirely with hitchhiking, so it's not the same event. For me, couchsurfing is an adventure yeah for her.

Aida

It's not an adventure. I want to hitchhike a boat.

Igar

Oh, that would be awesome yeah, my friend, my friend did so yeah I have yeah, yeah, he did from, I think, turkey, to somewhere. He's from Brazil. Yeah, and he did to I think I don't remember, maybe to Bolivia Somewhere. He couldn't make it to. Brazil, but to somewhere there close, you know. So yeah, I need to actually find him and put him on podcast. No, I just need to do that and you will hear the practical advice.

Aida

I'm waiting for this. What about?

Igar

playing huh boats. It's easy. Let's try the play. That would be awesome, but I think some private one easy, some small guys.

Aida

We wanted to start the trip like going to the airport and take the first flight that was available. But the problem is that was the 13th of august, so every everyone was there and price wise would be a different like yeah, yeah, so at the end we couldn't. But yeah, I'm looking for this kind of adventures now, or maybe doing some work away or woofing that we I haven't done so you can start dumpster diving.

Igar

Also, adventure, I bet I challenge you to find a good food for us bread and cheese. But yeah, talking to challenges, again, I don't know if I opened fully this topic or not, because I can several times already touch because in general long-term travel, even for pretty experienced travelers, sometimes you sometimes, like you know, you have this feelings of the you miss home, you miss some like routine. I had many times that like I missed, not like for me. Just come back for one day, like I wanted this feeling that, hey, my home, my routine, my stuff, then I'm ready to go, you know, but to have this small reset and again, um, yeah, like, uh, did you have any difficulties so far with the? If I miss something, I don't know with? Yeah, with these feelings of you know, of you missing, or you, no, not at the moment, or you or you feel some not scariness, spookiness, as we use this word in this podcast.

Toni

Yeah, not at the moment, maybe because we are in the beginning of the trip. We are only one month. Maybe, if you make me this answer, when we are in Asia or in India, two months, maybe I will miss a lot of things, I don't know. But here at the moment, it's being super smooth and it's also because maybe our mind was prepared, because after two years yeah, this is actually very important, those are really hard, two years. I have a word for her because she lived like in a structured life. For me.

Toni

It was really easy and I like it. I love it that type of life. But after two years we are already being prepared for it. It's like we are clear for sure you miss something because we are already being prepared for it. It's like we are clear for sure you miss something because we are humans. But if you have clear the objective and you work really hard for it, it's like okay, it's what I want.

Igar

It's what I fight for yeah any difficulties so far, some challenges you already faced, like Like these challenges that make you fire.

Toni

No, all good, A bit shy.

Aida

No, no, not shy at all.

Toni

At the moment in other countries we were. We can speak sometimes depending on the country. One country is more expensive, other more cheaper. The people are more.

Aida

Other is safety, other less is more expensive, other more cheaper. The people are more Other is safety other less. Yes, Some countries they were good, other were when. So?

Toni

maybe we don't connect properly some of them, but at the moment we're really adapt to you.

Aida

We don't Mean, we try to adapt to everyone that we have around.

Igar

That's Difficult and how is this part like of you being 24-7 with each other you already mentioned that like there's some personal space like sometimes require. How do you manage this? Like you know, balance kind of between at the moment we are managing really well, yeah, what we did normally, considering that we are making couchsurfing.

Toni

Sometimes we are not together because she is with the course. Sometimes I'm alone, or maybe when I go to the bed she has, there is his, her space and I'm my space. I'm speaking, I don't know, with friends or with the family.

Aida

She spoke also, so we try, like when we are alone, to have time for each one yeah, also he knows me pretty well, so he only watching my face has enough to know how I feel. So after three years well, almost four, almost four living together, we had a lot of challenges at home, like like, for example, living with my parents, also three months because we wanted to save money and this stuff.

Aida

We changed three times of flat in three and a half years, but not in the same city, in different cities. Also, I have changed it to time of job, he changed it to time. So we have been a lot of things in our lives, so we know each other really well.

Toni

Maybe for that reason we are too adaptive.

Aida

Yeah, yeah, because we change a lot.

Toni

We try always to do new things, to improve yourself, so it's like you are always facing new things Also we are super positive persons for some people we see always a good point of everything.

Aida

We don't see the the bad points of the things.

Toni

Of course, if you need to analyze them, to correct them, to improve something, yeah but normally we always say even if something wrong happened, we say say okay, this is wrong, but for sure will be for something and we will improve thanks to it, thanks to the situation.

Aida

I think it's written in our profile in culture. We feel like someone asked me if the glass was half empty or half full and I say I just drunk the glass. So, that would be a little bit the explanation of us.

Toni

We try always to have our space. Imagine if she needs to write, she writes. If she needs to read a book, she reads, that's all.

Igar

And what like any arguments you had? Like, how did you face them? If you had any, I don't know, misunderstanding Between us. Yeah, during the trip, the trip again like more, like kind of, because for me okay, where are all these questions coming from? Like, I experienced traveling with friends and with partners different, like, and for me I would even say like. For me, like, let's say, travel with friend and partner, I would say quite relatively similar from perspective of density. Maybe with partner it's even easier because you kind of more each other already know and adjust and kind of you know how to speak and friends like you can be like motherfuckers with each other, can be like stupid, you know, like, and everybody push this blanket to each other.

Igar

I want to go here and there and like like some random it's always random bullshit, but then like it's collecting and that's why it's like for me it's really kind of personally metro topic maybe for some reason. This like how, how people manage, and so far, what I see from my experience from people I talk, uh, like, yeah, like, yes. Like communication that we usually communicate and express. But again, I believe also communication is nothing without other side, doesn't matter which side. Like it's not about lose or win, it's more like about accept other person. Opinion person can say can be mad, can be angry, doesn't matter, but if you like counteract on this stuff it's like creating a conflict and nothing will be solved. So for me so far there's two things kind of more acceptance, but also way of speaking. I can like conversation with each other. So they kind of this is what I'm trying to find different opinions, solutions, stories, yeah, yeah.

Toni

But I think in our normal life, before traveling, we are a couple that maybe the word is not discussed is debate, debate everything, and we speak a lot. And even we have we are really I don't know hard minds. So we are I don't know how to say, but we are always defend our point of view, estaborn A lot. Even if I feel that I'm wrong, I will defend it. Why not? Maybe she lost or she doesn't?

Aida

mind. It's super hard to fight with him. He's super intelligent and I win, so for that reason before the trip, I mean the normal life.

Toni

We discuss and we debate, we speak a lot and if she want to win or she want to demonstrate me something, she need to fight, she need to find, fight and find all the proof to make me just to to say, ok, you are right. So we speak a lot and thanks to that, I think in this trip is also an advantage, because for everything we speak, we have a good conversation, we debate and we say, okay, this is better for that. No, no, I don't think so sure. And finally we reach an agreement. So I think it's not in this trip, it's because in our normal life, after four years living together, we are a couple that speak a lot, and that is really important.

Aida

Yeah, also, we understand each other a lot, the kind of necessity that have each one. For example, if I know that it's a stupid example, but if I know that he in the morning needs to eat like protein for me maybe I don't need the protein and it's stupid for me, but if I know that he needed, uh, we try to buy at the supermarket any yogurt or this kind of stuff. So, and, for example, he knows that for me it's super necessary a coffee in the morning, so he tried that also, I have the coffee. So it's like we respect a lot each other. We take into account a lot the feelings and the behavior, everything of the other person, and sometimes even I could say that I put him first than me and also he does the same with me.

Aida

So I think it works. Uh, because it can't work?

Balancing Planning and Going With Flow

Toni

you know, it's just and also because we are abroad. We are alone and we are the best friends that can be together so we don't support each other, who is going to do it? It doesn't make sense. So for that reason, I think we are stronger now, because we are supporting each other a lot. And trying to be happy, trying to have fun, not to be be sad not to miss anything for example, there are days that you are traveling and you are not high.

Aida

You are not always high, but, for example, he is more a balanced person. I'm always up and down, up and down well, you laid in.

Igar

Sorry, yeah, yeah, but even more even more so.

Aida

Um, the days that maybe I'm a little bit down, he's always supporting me, and the days that he's balanced, but a little, a little bit less balanced, I try to up him okay. So it's just a good combination. It's like he's more structured, more organized, a little bit serious. Even that well, he's making always jokes good jokes. I'm just the opposite, like the madness of the relationship. So I think that that's why it works.

Toni

Yes, it's a balance, we are a balance.

Igar

Sweet Good, good, it works. Yes, we are allowed. Sweet good, good. And uh, I I think you, tony, already mentioned, like in a joke but I want to get deeper in this that about organizing this trip. Yeah, like that you already say. You already said that either you're a boss, yeah, in this trip you're a boss you're managing, you're like booking, planning and balance the planning. So I wanted to ask, in general, how do you balance these plannings in general? Because, like also Tony, as a person who's organizing, likes to know what's gonna be, who's organizing, like to know what's gonna be, yeah, and with the flow of the travel, just let it go.

Toni

Let how it be like how how, how both of you like, because again, it's a teamwork anyway.

Igar

Yeah, you you're doing the decision, but you told me like that you always consult, you always verify, not consult, verify, but kind of informing him hey, this is a host potential, this is a place. But point is like how all these things happen between you also communication, or he just let you be do whatever you do I live in the middle like yeah, tell me uh, if I was traveling by myself, I will find the host like one hour before going to sleep.

Toni

Yeah.

Igar

Sleep you mean the same day, or like yeah, the same day.

Aida

I'm like the last minute request, so I'm this kind of person because I don't. I'm so sorry, but I don't give a shit to sleep outside. I did it in my trip no no not yet.

Toni

That's one of the point that I thought before starting the trip. I cannot imagine if I gave her all the responsibility, all the power, I will be in a park at 12 in the night waiting for a host.

Igar

And finally, we will sleep in the park At the moment it doesn't happen like this. Imagine how you feel your body next morning. You will feel that it's all working.

Aida

You know all pain will be there so, um, I try to do it a little bit more. Uh easy, like um, I request one day, two days in advance. I also publish in the trip.

Igar

So you get older. You know, yeah, yeah, yeah 30 plus. You know as you plan your life yeah, I'm planning.

Aida

I'm planning the life now with one, even two days in advance, depend of that is the balance yeah, but the rest, no the rest, we are trying to go with the flow that's the thing and what I do by myself.

Toni

For example, I don't push her to find a host or to find a hotel during this is another man.

Igar

In my opinion, it's another. What the name of it? Magic? Um, let's call it art because, like I also, like I have this problem that I'm opposite. I wanna, or like, manage, control and know this. I think not the problem the same, I think this you maybe it's even man, shit like that.

Igar

We are logic mind thinkers and we want, like all by by you know logic, you know so, and and for me, like, I like, like when I know what the fuck is going on, and so like, how do you like, if you, if you want to finish, please finish but.

Igar

I also would like to hear this side how you let it be, not, not again, not from perspective ego or something, but it's again, it's your natural, that's how you live life and now you need to. Okay, let it be. But how do you manage your feelings? Also, fuck, I'm not doing anything like, for example, even like this yeah, I have these things. Shit, I didn't plan, I don't, but we go shit. I want to participate more and like I mean, you know, yeah, so do you?

Toni

yeah, no, but I think in this trip I am enjoying in another way, I mean my normal life I enjoy to organize everything, but I say, okay, I'm going to live, organize or enjoying in another way, For example, not to do nothing.

Igar

How, how, how is that how you program it? No, because I trust in her.

Toni

Okay, but for sure. Normally I try to have sure that we have at least two days, guarantee that we have a bed, but after two days. That we have a bed but after two days doesn't matter. So I try not to push her in order to say okay, let me know when I'm gonna sleep next friday. It's not make sense, because we are now in sun and we don't have to be honest we don't have in lithuania, for example, now, so it doesn't matter, we have bed.

Learning to Share Responsibilities While Traveling

Toni

Bed tomorrow, it's enough. Because I couldn't imagine before starting the trip. I thought that maybe one day I will not know anything, and now for me it's enough, one or two days. It's because my mind changed. I'm more adaptive and I said, okay, I'm going to enjoy not doing anything. Even I can be honest.

Toni

I started with a psychologist, psychologist, psychologist. I started in honest, I started with a psychologist Psychologist. I started in order to work by myself, how to do it better, because for me it's impossible not to have everything organized, not to help everyone in their life. So before the trip, one month before starting, I started sorry, sorry, again with a psychologist in order to work by myself and I prepared some exercise and so on in order to say, ok, the life is not what you think is the life, try to enjoy in another way, because enjoy without doing nothing is also good. And sometimes I can see her looking for a host, looking for a hotel. I said, being honest, I feel sad because she's working a lot. But if I'm egoist, I say wow, it's unbelievable, I'm the king of the trip. I don't do anything, I have a bed, for sure, I have the next meal prepared. If not in the supermarket, I will prepare, by myself or not. So I'm thinking in this way that I am enjoying not doing nothing.

Igar

This is maybe selfish, but at the moment, in this, trip is what I have to nothing and accept the kind of. But, like in general, do you manage some responsibilities or you take kind of all on you and I mean or like Tony helps somehow, like you ask help somehow, how it all works.

Aida

So when he started For him also to learn, for example, yeah, yeah, yeah, from even this perspective, to so, for example, when he started with the psychologist, we said that I was going to try to manage all the trip in Europe and. I was going to show him how I was doing everything Like it seems simple but, for example, just reading the profiles and sending a personalized.

Aida

it's simple when you know how to do it yeah, yeah, yeah because you check, check, okay done, you know yeah all tasks you know, yeah, you try like yeah, and it's the same like for example, when you have read like 100 profiles, you know which one you are going to connect or which one not, and also writing like a good request that accept you. It's also hard because you have to read the profile, connect with the person in just one message and also um trying to see what cities they are interesting in our trip. If we are going to go hiking, if we are going to be tired after to change to other place, or this kind of stuff that normally you don't consider, but they are challenges in your trip. Like, for example, if you today in switzerland you do a hiking of eight hours, tomorrow you are not going to change the host because you are going to be tired to take a train or take a bus, so this kind of thing.

Aida

So I'm teaching him at the same time. For example, if I read 10 profiles and I send two requests, I only show him these two profiles I'm the first filter and after I allowed him. And also, for example, if we are checking, like next countries that we can visit, maybe I can just check two or three and I show him, hey, what can we do, or this stuff.

Aida

So it's like I'm the first filter and after he start with everything, because I would like that in Asia he start to manage also the profile and all this stuff. I mean, he is super ready, he is a smart person, but I wanted that he enjoyed to travel without any obligation, that, for example, for him something that is necessary is just to eat, for example, in the best restaurant, but not the best restaurant yeah, it doesn't mean like the most expensive, it's just the the better restaurant for us like good atmosphere, good vibes, good food and cheap.

Aida

So it would be a good quality. So normally he needs to look for it. Now I don't allow him to do that. It's like okay, we are going to walk on the street and we will feel the vibes of the place and if we like it, we will pop inside. That would be.

Toni

Sorry, I'm the responsible only in this trip to find the best places to dance and stuff.

Igar

Yeah that's the responsibility I gave.

Toni

This is good, good, you can see here the combination of the mix between us. She's the responsible for the most important things, or maybe the 50% of the important things, and now I'm the responsible for the could be the most important things, or maybe the 50 of the important things, and now I'm the responsible of the rest, that is, to find some places, because I need that he feels useful you know, because if he's not doing something yeah it's like oh

Aida

then man get depressed, you know so I'm fine trying to find a place for dancing. It's super hard.

Toni

I have to say so yeah, he has a challenge.

Aida

So, yeah, yeah, this is another thing what you guys do yeah, like you have.

Igar

What is it how you can call it goal? Or my goal yeah, to have a proper dance of Salfa in every country, in every country More than 37 countries so far. Already yeah, oh, I see 30 countries, but can it? Be, let's say, on your first attempt in this country, or it can be if you come back also, for example, in Bulgaria. It was two times. Yeah, in Bulgaria it was two times times for example, if in poland you will not do it, we have to come back we must yeah, so but this is also counting.

Igar

It's not shouldn't be from like. I'm first time in this country and I need to do this uh, I went in my first trip.

Aida

All the all the countries that I visited. I danced for the first time in this trip is the only one that in Switzerland we couldn't find it and here we still haven't danced.

Igar

If you, cannot find it.

Aida

You should put it on the street yeah, I mean we will, but if not we will have to come back to dance.

Financial Planning for Long-Term Travel

Igar

But it counts.

Toni

Cool, cool, cool and also one of the important points. I learned how to dance these two years. It's not only hard due to the finance part, also for the dancing part. For me, I learned during two years in order to be able to dance with him in this trip, because, if not, I'm only the.

Igar

Exactly. Oh man, man, this is very good, this is very good stuff, so yeah, I'm a beginner, but okay, I can do it.

Igar

You have to know the videos in instagram yeah, for instagram it's always cool, you know, plus some effects, and then you look like you can cook the part you like. Yeah, and I saw like one trick like of the tick tock. I just like super fast comment that, uh, when you record dance like this, and when you move the camera, uh, with the dancer, just something, you it was a mimi kind of like hey, how professionals record them, you just shake your phone and they dance and it's totally different because it's like effect, it's like this camera moves, like but yeah we have to do that yeah, you can try we need to see we are master, yeah, yeah well, and another stuff.

Igar

What I wanna touch again, all accumulating, you guys quit a job, you travel as a couple and you're gonna travel god knows how long yeah, like endlessly. And how is your like this financial part, like you already mentioned, that you save some money like for for the trip to have, and in general, like how do you manage your finances? Maybe? Like how like do you have some, let's say, limit of spending per month? Or like what you do with your budget? Or you just keep going until it's finished, or you still have some passive income, what is still coming to. Don't completely fuck you up for future. Yeah, like how it's all this, this thing, and I know that in couple like can be like sometimes cheaper, sometimes opposite. You know that like is you still have one budget but you spend this for two. Yeah, but in the same times as a two, you spend less because it's two of you.

Toni

Yeah, so if it's like yeah, I guess we don't have a clear budget no I mean we don't have like okay, this is the budget, it's like 1 000 euros per month. We try one thousand per month, each one per each, each one. Yeah, and at the moment we are controlling last, just not to move out, yeah, considering that, for example, we were in switzerland.

Igar

That's super expensive, yeah, that's what I want to say how so far is this for euro and also now euro we?

Toni

know is more expensive, yeah, but we prepared it.

Aida

Yeah, I mean long history would be like two years ago. Yeah, you are bossy tell us why you started to talk about money, no, I just. We decided.

Igar

You have budget in your hands.

Toni

Everything started was curious because everything that started. Imagine I'm studying business economy, I study all these type of issues or subjects and she studies quality and chemicals and food something like that. And one day she comes home and says okay, I saw a course about financial freedom. I said you look for a course. Yeah, I saw a course and I said, ok, is it cheaper? And she said I don't remember the cost.

Aida

I like to learn random things.

Toni

OK, we can do it together because it was cheap and we are two, so it's cheap. It's split up in two, OK, we can start. And suddenly we start together a course, online course.

Aida

We started to read how to create passive income. Also, how to change your mentality, like reading books, like for Padre Rico, Padre Pobre, yeah.

Igar

Padre, yeah, I know this, we reached the Different books the Secret of the millionaire mind.

Toni

We read three or four books and we followed the online course and we said, okay, I think we think together that this could be easy. I mean easy, we can follow it. It's not easy because you have to work hard, but if you follow the rules you can do it.

Aida

So we started to invest in cryptos the moment that they were super low. Also, we started to invest in startups Vegan ones, yeah.

Igar

Yeah, me too. Beyond meat minus 90% Fuckers, We'll let you know.

Toni

No, I'm just like. It's my pain.

Aida

And the biggest challenge was that we started to buy houses.

Igar

This is very nice.

Aida

So nowadays we have four houses and they are rented, so that's the passive income that we have. I mean, we didn't buy the four houses. The bank is paying the houses and also the person that is inside the little one kiyosaki explain yeah that's the way to do it. So that's why, when we are saying that we spent two years super hard working on saving money, it's because we bought four houses.

Toni

For sure. The major part of our budget is the saving money that we save, Working a lot, gaining earning money and also living with her parents. But the other part could be saving 60%, 70% and the 30% could be passive income. And we were really hard to get the, for example, the houses, Only for the information that you can imagine.

Aida

some days we were in 10 houses houses just visiting the houses in one day one afternoon we were sometimes with a rental agency to see and to visit 10 houses yeah so we have seen more than 300 houses just to to find the four right ones for us in that moment and we were mastered, like in three months, to know what houses were good, which ones were bad, or also you have to have all the numbers to see if you are winning money or not. Also, you need to know, for example, when the construction was made, the neighbors that were around. All this stuff, the documentation you have to study the right area.

Toni

Yeah, because, depending on the area, sometimes you are able to get more cash but you have to spend or you have to invest more money. So, depending on your situation our case, we were not able to invest a lot of money we were able to invest a little bit less money, but with a more profitable percentage rate. It's not as much cash but you have a good rate in comparison the investment and the money that you receive. So it's depending on your pocket or your idea or, I don't know, your background.

Aida

You have to study properly the area to find or to focus the right flat yeah, also we bought uh acciones in in my company and they were super, super good.

Toni

So, yeah, it was a strong year also, we put money every month in photos indexed assets that this one is yeah, but stop there.

Aida

That, for me, the most complicated thing is. Like two years ago we didn't know that all of these uh paths were you know, we met each other.

Toni

We spent a lot of money. Yeah, because it was everything after the covid. So we were every weekend in a hotel different hotel in the Mediterranean coast. We were always outside taking everything. I mean, monday go to the sushi, tuesday go to the Italian, friday I don't know Thailand, so it doesn't matter. So in summer we said two years ago, okay, I'm gonna check how much money we spent outside and I don't remember the name, I don't remember, but it was crazy.

Toni

You cannot imagine. Some days we wake up at home, we take a breakfast in one bar in the same city, we take after the lunch in another city and we finish the night in another city, sleeping in the hotel there, because after the coffee was like, okay, we have to leave, because maybe in one year we are again close to our home and we get and we earn money. So imagine the mind has changed a lot to say, okay, we are not able to spend money, we have to spend money in houses, we have to pay taxes, we have to study more, we have to read books. We are not able to go outside in the weekend.

Aida

Because I didn't know where I mean. I know what is Bitcoin, but I didn't know how it works and everything so. Bitcoins, fondos indexados also, uh, how to buy a house and the startups that were growing in that moment, uh, all kind of investments that we try to do so. But it was overwhelming because I only wanted adventures.

Igar

Yeah, I wanted to live adventures For you like I, don't have any budget and I always close to her say okay, please.

Toni

The objective is clear. The goal is to have a good trip, not to be worried about the money. I mean you could be. You need a budget Because if not you are lost. But okay, we are working for it. Please Relax, because sometimes she was really overloaded about our life.

Toni

Yes, you say how is possible I not able to go in summer, that we have 30 days I would? I don't know, I go, I would like to go to New York, I would like to go to Philippines, I go to go to India. And I said, no, we cannot do it. We will do, but but at the moment it's not the time.

Aida

So for her it's like wow, yeah, for me it was too much, it's too much.

Toni

We had many, many crises Because sometimes even your friends or your colleagues, the society is also pushing you, but not in a wrong way. I mean they try to support you or to give they well, they want to have fun with you right, yeah, it's the simple reason.

Igar

Yeah, it's like not blame to people, but yeah and we say okay as well.

Aida

Yet we have to think clearly that the objective is clear so nowadays for the trip, we have passive income, but it's not enough for europe so yeah, yeah, yeah so it's just a little help. So we we saved money for the trip. I think that when we were, when we are in asia, maybe in some places is enough with the passive income, but we will see.

Igar

So that's the way that we financially well, guys, like I would say it's very mature and like very mature, because it's like not easy decision and like fuck it's long, two years like to plan and to do and to really work fucking hard on it. And again I can imagine, like personally, how was between you, like like the because it's not easy, but like I don't know, shake your hand like for this effort, because this is like heavy stuff.

Igar

This is difficult but very cool. Yeah, like, I think it's a very smart step and again in future, anyways, I can pay back. You know, know, like this is future what you will have, and then you also can travel. Because many travelers do like, oh, I live like one day life, blah, blah, blah. Yes, and I always repeat this young people like well, like, not necessarily young, it's not always young, but especially this, who is I? I call them the same how I call radical vegans like for me, this is radical travelers. Who is like, sleep anywhere, dumpster diving something, okay, this is for fun.

Igar

Adventure one year, two, five, okay, five, fuck it. But what after? Like all your life like this, like it's like anyway, you will end up at some point where you like should say, fuck, where am I and like, what should I do? Where should it do? Yeah, maybe somehow on the way you will find solution. I don't argue with this. I don't know the future, but when you know that shit, in your case, I have four fucking houses, something like should be really fucked up. Happened in this world. Like to don't. These houses will not give you like stability later on as well? Yeah, but if you have nothing and you live one day, even one day, can like take you the same way. Yeah, so it's like the same red trace to survive and like just to survive. So it's not really adventure, not really joy, just surviving from another perspective.

Toni

But yeah, from you have different views in front of you, maybe another and also here you can see the combination in like a couple because, for example, before not before I started the trip I mean, when we started thinking about start a trip together, she said, okay, but we can do it as as I did it in the past. I mean, she doesn't think, she didn't think about anything about passive income, about saving money. She said, okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go abroad, that's all. And I said, okay, this is true, we can do it because we have money in the bank. We can do it and spend all the money and burn the money, burn the money and I come back, I come back at home. But I say, okay, we are going to do it in a proper way, we are going to do it in a proper way.

Toni

We have to, we have to plan everything because, imagine, if we go abroad, we have some problem, we spend more money that we are able to do, or maybe the trip finally will be, I don't know, one year, no more. For example, two years, three years, four years, we don't know. When we come back, I would like to have something. Yes, exactly. So that is another point that we combine together, because it's like we will close. She wanted to trip without nothing. I wanted to trip with uh with some passive income. So we work together to have like a middle path between us.

Igar

Yeah, I think this is like. For me, this is the same, like one thing is amazing memories and everything but I I'm kind of have this fear to come back and start from fucking zero and again this fucking step, fucking job or something, this like come on, like you know, I'm travel, not for this, like I also wanna, because one thing is again well, it's all different. Yeah, like it's all really individual, but yeah, like travel and having some passive income, even if it's small but still passive. So support you to some basic basic things. And uh, and again, when you come back for something like, but imagine if you like come back to nowhere literally, and kind of you need to find some place, I mean all these basic steps, it's annoying for me, for me personally, like I really it's again them, it's like it is sword again them. You know like kind of like, let me do something else really in life. You know it's like it's like you play a fucking game the same mission. You know like in gta, the same mission you know, like in GTA.

Planning Long-Term Travel Adventures

Igar

The same. Come on, I don't want to play this, I want to play another one, yeah and what about your future plans? How, like you mentioned a lot of Asia, asia. So like what are your?

Toni

And after all, you go to like Latvia in Europe here, now, yeah, and like what is your after all you go to like latvia in europe, here now, yeah, but like what is your let's say, big plan for your big trip, because you have big trip plan, yeah, kind of we always say that we don't have plans? I'm considering that. But let's say like this. I write the both for sure only one day before, but the idea is to finish in Lithuania, latvia, estonia, could be Finland, I don't know. Maybe one day or two days. Denmark, denmark, for sure, because we have the last trip there, the last flight from Denmark to Alicante, so we will visit Denmark for sure.

Aida

Yeah, because we have to go to an appointment to Spain. We will be there around two weeks, so we will visit Denmark for sure?

Toni

Yeah, because we have to go to an appointment to Spain.

Aida

We will be there around two weeks and after we start in Istanbul.

Toni

that is the closest and cheapest area in Asia and the easiest way to get a flight from Spain, from Europe, to Valencia.

Aida

So at the beginning we thought maybe to go to India, because I think Tony is ready to go there, yeah. But now we are talking about a lot of people about the stunts, so maybe we start with all the stunts, but I still not plan that's.

Igar

I think that's a good thing. So anyway, approximately, or like Asia, or like Middle East.

Aida

That's the thing. Tony wants India, japan. I want Sri Lanka, india. So China, japan. Sorry Tony, india, sri Lanka.

Toni

So we will see We'll have time to visit all of them.

Aida

Everything. Yeah, I don't know.

Igar

Yeah, maybe strategically always will be most like unpleasant is like long comebacks and then if you want to go back and start, continue.

Aida

This is maybe more tricky, but I think you will figure it out the only thing that I don't want to feel is like when I was traveling my 8 months, I went to Philippines and there was one moment that I didn't feel surprise of the things.

Igar

So in the moment, well, it's another challenge for you, because, yeah, this like surprise yeah this sparkles yeah, they will be not forever.

Aida

Yeah, I know so maybe, uh, when we don't feel these butterflies.

Igar

Until you start skydiving.

Toni

Yeah, so maybe we decide to stop in one country and stay for two, three months like to have a normal life abroad, and after maybe just to start again but, at the end I I mean we don't know what's going to happen, because the idea was like, after visiting all the countries that we have in our mind, we could, we can check which one was the best or which one you feel like you fell in love or you have better feelings and say, okay, why we cannot go there and try to find something, to discover most the city and also live like a local work there, maybe to open a business together but anyway, when you know, when you are traveling, you learn a lot about all the cultures and even you can see the necessities or the requirements in every country.

Toni

And sometimes we speak about it and say, okay, why we cannot get something from each country and maybe see where is the opportunity like for example today we saw here that there are not vending machines, so it could be, for example, one business that you can do it here.

Aida

But yeah, we will figure it out how it works.

Igar

But I think that's great, we will have opportunities for sure and the question why do you look like to the asian direction, let's say, not like africa and south america? I think north America? I know the answer. But South America and Africa like in general.

Toni

generally speaking, Latin America was also thought by us.

Aida

Yeah.

Toni

But the main reason, for sure, is because she lived for months in India and she explained to me that we can live there. And she said okay we have to go. We have to go to Asia 100%, and after we will see if we go to Latin America, for example, africa. At the moment we don't feel.

Aida

I also think it was my fault, because when I stopped it for the COVID I couldn't see Vietnam, thailand, bangladesh, nepal, so it was like in my list and I don't know. I think tony didn't have any expectations, so I tried to push a little bit him in order to follow a little bit my dreams but, yeah, I mean if he tomorrow just tell me like uh I would love to go to canada or africa.

Igar

Uh, we will change yeah, yeah, I got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, maybe australia also because for this, why I I asked this, uh is for this reason of sparkles, because, like I think, well, I also haven't been like this. That's my reason why I want to go to Asia. For this reason, for these sparkles, because Europe here for me, like you know, get bored somehow, even though, like Balkans, surprised me nicely, like I was like yeah, okay, nice nice something, but like scandinavia and stuff I still didn't go and like just for nature.

Igar

I want to go like this society of eyes and cities maybe not even though stockholm also surprised me, motherfucker, like in a really good way, fuck like really nice city. But anyway, and uh and yeah, in south america I've been to the brazil super nice and like I always want to back and like explore like rest of countries. The same what you have for Asia but the same reason in Africa. For me it's a big question and I'm like fuck like really curious Because it's so fucking different.

Toni

Like everything is different.

Igar

It can be from really difficult condition to really good condition there and I was like, wow, and I don't know, and even culturally wise, religiously wise, like I mean everything. So yeah, this is, I think, another sparkles a lot like. I think africa can give travelers a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think there is even lately also Instagram these videos with guys who cross Sahara or something on this train popular I think. It's kind of everybody jumping on this train nowadays.

Igar

So when you just go by train through all this earth, you know and making Instagrams the backpack of 8 kilos but cool well, anyway wanted to ask you, you know, slowly, slowly wrapping up and like one of the question I have is, in general, like for other couple thinking of hitting on the road together or, like you know, solo travelers transitioning to couple travel, what advice can you give them so far?

Toni

for their couples. Yeah, can start together.

Toni

Yeah, they have to speak a lot yeah what they feel yes, they have to understand each other, because I always say the same if she said something, there is a reason behind. So I have to understand why she think or why she choose that plan or that host or whatever she choose. I always think that there is a reason behind and I have to understand, at least to speak with her and say okay, but do you think it's not better to get this one, or to change or, I don't know, to do it in another way? So the most important is to understand each other and speak a lot and try not to be angry. You understand what I mean. It's not like a discussion, like you are fighting. You are only trying to understand and at least not try to convince the other person, because sometimes when you try to convince, you are creating a fight or a hard debate. So just better, if you understand, try to speak.

Aida

And also you have to understand that both of you, you are traveling. So it means that if you are tired and if you are in a down day, or maybe you are angry because you are tired of walking or carrying with the backpack and everything you have close to you, one person that is in the same situation as you. So you have to think in both like, okay, I have to be a strong because I'm not the only one in this trip. It's like I can't act as a child. If I was by myself, I can act like a child. If I want to cry, I cry. Just say, oh, fuck off everything. But when you are with traveling, when someone traveling, you need to know that his in this case, his mood can change with your mood. So you need, of course, you, you can be angry, you can cry.

Aida

You can do everything, but you need to understand that it has to pass fast and quick. It's like, okay, you have a moment that you can be depressed and after you have to be up again Because there are two people, that they are traveling together.

Toni

And one point is clear If you don't understand that, you don't have a good relationship in a normal life. Don't try it In a normal life? Don't try it. No.

Toni

Because you will die in two weeks or less than two weeks. Because you are going to discuss about every decision, because now you have more challenges. You have more decisions every day because when you are working in a normal life, the hardest decision could be what do you want for a dinner? Could be the hardest decision. Could be what do you want for a dinner? Could be the hardest decision. But now, when you wake up, you have a lot of decisions to take.

Aida

Yeah.

Toni

So if you are not prepared for the normal life, for sure you will not try it.

Aida

And also you have to think that when you are fighting with the other person, like or having a disagreement, you have to think that the other person is or having a disagreement. You have to think that the other person is not having other kind of opinion just to you. It's not. It is because he has other kind of opinion and you have to listen the opinion, because maybe he is right and you are wrong. So 50, 50. Yeah, 50, 50, but you have, you have to understand that you, in our case, we are 34, you know, you have to think a little bit outside of yourself, yeah, so.

Aida

Well said, well said, that's our recommendation and just to respect others. Other thing is just respect yourself, like you as a person. You have you, you have necessities, so you you can hurt the other person, but don't try to do the perfect life for the other person. First you have to be yourself, be good with yourself, stay in peace and after you could be your best version for the other person. That would be. And also some space, always, always. We need a space Like a person. You need to analyze how you are watching everything and how the other person is watching.

Toni

That would be the summary.

Igar

Good summary, yeah, would be the summary. Good summary, yeah, very good summary. And extra question to you what like piece of advice to the women, like for the female travelers who especially go into such exotic destinations like India, or like, yeah, we mentioned this India a lot, poor india, but yeah, don't read the news yeah don't listen, the people that give you suggestions but they didn't leave, uh, their homes in all their life, because nowadays you don't ask, but everyone is giving you suggestions like yeah, true

Aida

oh, are you going to go to that country? Do you know? I have a neighbor that was friend of a friend of a friend of a friend that he was. She was there and something happened to her. No, listen, no, trust yourself and try to be a little bit smart. For example, uh, when I was traveling in India by myself, I also had a ring, is it? A ring.

Igar

No this is a ring.

Aida

Ring. So I was wearing a ring because in some places I was in tiny villages and they asked me do you have a husband? And I said yes, and how are you here? And he is not here. And the magic sentence was because he's working in a congress like close to the city that I was and he allows me to be by myself around here and after he will come here to pick me up.

Aida

So, yeah, it's not the best. I mean, I'm an autonomous person, I'm over empowerment, the women and all this stuff, but you have to be smart sometimes. You have to forget your. You have rights and you have rights in your country you have some ideas. You have your ideas in your country. But if you have, if you go to a country, you have to cover yourself.

Aida

You have to cover yourself so try to be the smart the more smart that you can, and also follow your instinct. Nowadays in cities that, with the commodities that we have in our cities, we don't listen to ourselves. It's not necessary because you are not in a bad situation or in a risky situation, but when you are abroad and you are by yourself walking around in a street empty at 11 at night, yeah, listen to yourself and trust yourself I would say and no more.

Aida

I just also, for example, if you are doing hitchhiking and imagine that you are going to write and one car with four young guys, stop the car and say we are going there, do you want to go with us? Maybe nothing happens, but don't take the risk. Just say that you are going in the left side. They will ask you are you sure? Because you are in the wrong way of the street and you will say oh, I'm so sorry, I didn't know that I will change. So act like if you were idiot. Yes, idiot, but yeah, it helps. It helps Sweet yeah very, very practical.

Igar

I would say yeah, definitely. Yeah, it's practical. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah very practical.

Toni

I would say yeah, definitely, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Igar

Cool guys, thank you. Thank you for joining. You know high five. Thank you. Yeah and yeah, can you tell the people where they can follow your adventures, like how they can maybe contact with you? I don't know some social media, so.

Toni

We have Instagram our account, I don't know Some social media. We have Instagram Our account. I don't know if it's easy to say, but it's two. I mean with number two, tronatsch. I can spell it it's T-R-O-N-A-T-S. Tronatsch and you can see there our personal logo, ida designed and you can follow our adventures.

Igar

Nice, I will put the link here in in the description.

Aida

Yeah, to Tronat, it's because in. Valenciano.

Toni

it's like crazy people that they don't think about what they are doing and there is a curious story behind, because when we started, even when we were not a couple, we started drinking a wine that the name was Tronach. And it was like a I don't know how to say a payaso, a clout, a payaso cloud, cloud. So we say, ok, why not if we started drinking wine called Tronach and we are crazy couple.

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Aida

So two Tronach around the world. So yeah, that's cute that's a good story and also it's Valenciano that for us, is our city, so the language of our city, so it was different. Yes, All right.

Toni

I hope everyone liked it. Yeah, just to have the second one after Europe trip.

Aida

Yeah, imagine, yeah, right, imagine that after one year traveling, hey, where are you? No, no, we broke up.

Toni

Okay, no problem.

Igar

problem, yeah, we can do two podcasts yeah then I will have some more people and then more people stories to listen what happened? With this couple. It's gonna be like a talk show like this, like on tv, you know, yeah, cool guys. Thank you all for listening and, yeah, see you in the next episodes or somewhere around the small planet. Have a good night, I guess. Bye, bye, bye.