{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":13.84,"endTime":14.384,"body":"Hey, writers."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":14.414,"endTime":16.318,"body":"Welcome back to Story Magic, the podcast that"},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":16.334,"endTime":18.23,"body":"will help you write a book you're damn proud"},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":16.334,"endTime":18.23,"body":"of."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":18.31,"endTime":23.974,"body":"I'm Emily, and today I am talking about"},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":18.31,"endTime":23.974,"body":"querying with book coach and editor Abigail K."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":24.062,"endTime":24.614,"body":"Perry."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":24.702,"endTime":25.598,"body":"Welcome, Abby."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":25.694,"endTime":27.63,"body":"I'm so excited to be talking to you today."},{"speaker":"Abigail K Perry","startTime":27.79,"endTime":28.502,"body":"Hi, Emily."},{"speaker":"Abigail K Perry","startTime":28.566,"endTime":30.23,"body":"Thanks for inviting me on the show."},{"speaker":"Abigail K Perry","startTime":30.31,"endTime":33.826,"body":"I'm so excited to talk, talk about querying"},{"speaker":"Abigail K Perry","startTime":30.31,"endTime":33.826,"body":"and to support your listeners."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":33.978,"endTime":37.57,"body":"Awesome. 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