{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":13.84,"endTime":16.904,"body":"Hey, writers, welcome back to Story"},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":13.84,"endTime":16.904,"body":"Magic, the podcast that will help you write a"},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":16.912,"endTime":18.2,"body":"book you're damn proud of."},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":18.32,"endTime":19.128,"body":"I'm Rachel."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":19.224,"endTime":20.408,"body":"And I'm Emily."},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":20.584,"endTime":25.56,"body":"And today we are talking about the"},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":20.584,"endTime":25.56,"body":"four pillars to author success with our very"},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":25.6,"endTime":27.288,"body":"good friend, Emma Desi."},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":27.384,"endTime":28.408,"body":"Welcome, Emma."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":28.504,"endTime":29.5,"body":"Hi, Emma."},{"speaker":"Emma 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