{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":0.24,"endTime":0.82,"body":"Foreign."},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":13.44,"endTime":14.216,"body":"Hey, writers."},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":14.248,"endTime":16.264,"body":"Welcome back to Story Magic, the podcast that"},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":16.272,"endTime":18.184,"body":"will help you write a book you're damn proud"},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":16.272,"endTime":18.184,"body":"of."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":18.272,"endTime":19.192,"body":"I'm Emily."},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":19.336,"endTime":20.46,"body":"I'm Rachel."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":20.8,"endTime":23.432,"body":"And today we're going to talk about"},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":20.8,"endTime":23.432,"body":"book marketing, but we're not going to give"},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":23.456,"endTime":24.22,"body":"you advice."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":26.17,"endTime":27.058,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":27.234,"endTime":31.922,"body":"Again, if you listen to our last"},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":27.234,"endTime":31.922,"body":"episode, we just talk and record it."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":31.946,"endTime":32.386,"body":"We do."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":32.458,"endTime":34.882,"body":"So what we're talking about right now."},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":34.986,"endTime":37.65,"body":"Emily, was like, I'm not telling you"},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":34.986,"endTime":37.65,"body":"what my questions are."},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":37.69,"endTime":38.45,"body":"I'm like, cool."},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":38.53,"endTime":40.91,"body":"I guess we're just gonna chat about it."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":41.77,"endTime":42.978,"body":"It's fantastic."},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":43.074,"endTime":44.13,"body":"This is real."},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":44.25,"endTime":47.506,"body":"We're real people with just real"},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":47.578,"endTime":48.47,"body":"conversations."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":49.29,"endTime":51.378,"body":"This is really just how we catch up"},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":49.29,"endTime":51.378,"body":"every week."},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":51.434,"endTime":52.626,"body":"Exactly. 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