{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":0.24,"endTime":0.82,"body":"Foreign."},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":13.44,"endTime":16.984,"body":"Hey writers, welcome back to Story"},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":13.44,"endTime":16.984,"body":"Magic, the podcast that will help you write a"},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":16.992,"endTime":18.056,"body":"book you're damn proud of."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":18.128,"endTime":18.936,"body":"I'm Emily."},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":19.048,"endTime":20.36,"body":"And I'm Rachel."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":20.52,"endTime":25.032,"body":"Today we're going to talk about the"},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":20.52,"endTime":25.032,"body":"market challenges of genre blending."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":25.176,"endTime":29.712,"body":"So this one's coming to us as a listener"},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":25.176,"endTime":29.712,"body":"question, which we do 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