{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":13.76,"endTime":16.744,"body":"Hey, writers, welcome back to Story"},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":13.76,"endTime":16.744,"body":"Magic, the podcast that will help you write a"},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":16.752,"endTime":17.944,"body":"book you're damn proud of."},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":18.032,"endTime":18.936,"body":"I'm Rachel."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":19.048,"endTime":20.12,"body":"And I'm Emily."},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":20.28,"endTime":26.488,"body":"And today we are talking about writing"},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":20.28,"endTime":26.488,"body":"process, the individualness, the individuality"},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":26.584,"endTime":27.648,"body":"process itself."},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":27.784,"endTime":29.296,"body":"With some very special guests."},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":29.328,"endTime":33.184,"body":"We have Carissa delay and Jamie Vendara on the"},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":29.328,"endTime":33.184,"body":"podcast today."},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":33.272,"endTime":33.76,"body":"Welcome."},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":33.84,"endTime":35.472,"body":"Thank you so much for joining us."},{"speaker":"Karisa DeLay","startTime":35.576,"endTime":36.64,"body":"Thank you for having us."},{"speaker":"Jaime Vendera","startTime":36.76,"endTime":37.392,"body":"Absolutely."},{"speaker":"Jaime Vendera","startTime":37.456,"endTime":38.48,"body":"Thank you for having us."},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":38.6,"endTime":43.312,"body":"Of course, you both are the hosts of"},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":38.6,"endTime":43.312,"body":"the Always Right podcast, which we love, and"},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":43.336,"endTime":45.84,"body":"we have been guests on earlier this year,"},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":43.336,"endTime":45.84,"body":"which is amazing."},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":45.92,"endTime":49.26,"body":"So we're very thankful to have you on with us"},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":45.92,"endTime":49.26,"body":"today."},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":49.72,"endTime":51.74,"body":"Before we dive into process,"},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":52.28,"endTime":58.068,"body":"would you tell us about yourself, your writing"},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":52.28,"endTime":58.068,"body":"journey, your books, and a little bit about"},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":58.124,"endTime":62.052,"body":"the podcast?"},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":58.124,"endTime":62.052,"body":"And let's have Carissa, would you want to go"},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":62.076,"endTime":62.64,"body":"first?"},{"speaker":"Karisa DeLay","startTime":62.94,"endTime":64.2,"body":"Sure, I guess."},{"speaker":"Karisa DeLay","startTime":64.78,"endTime":66.916,"body":"Yes. 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Thank you."},{"speaker":"Karisa DeLay","startTime":2959.33,"endTime":2960.218,"body":"Love it."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":2960.354,"endTime":2961.034,"body":"Awesome."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":2961.162,"endTime":2963.386,"body":"If you want to build a successful, fulfilling"},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":2963.418,"endTime":2966.938,"body":"and sustainable writing life that works for"},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":2963.418,"endTime":2966.938,"body":"you, you've got to get on our email list."},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":2967.074,"endTime":2970.594,"body":"Sign up now to get our free email"},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":2967.074,"endTime":2970.594,"body":"course, the Magic of Character Arcs."},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":2970.682,"endTime":2974.562,"body":"After seven days of email magic, you'll have"},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":2970.682,"endTime":2974.562,"body":"the power to keep your readers flipping pages"},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":2974.626,"endTime":2975.49,"body":"all through the night."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":2975.61,"endTime":2976.594,"body":"Link in the show notes."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":2976.642,"endTime":2977.49,"body":"We'll see you there."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":2977.61,"endTime":2978.33,"body":"Thank you so much."}]}