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As I've been."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":1038.49,"endTime":1039.69,"body":"I've been doing a similar thing with the"},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":1039.69,"endTime":1041.49,"body":"Kindle as I've been reading these suspense"},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":1039.69,"endTime":1041.49,"body":"books."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":1041.49,"endTime":1043.49,"body":"Like, every time something feels like a clue,"},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":1044.05,"endTime":1045.01,"body":"I highlight it."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":1045.25,"endTime":1046.01,"body":"And then by the."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":1046.01,"endTime":1047.93,"body":"At the end, I can go look at my Kindle notes"},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":1046.01,"endTime":1047.93,"body":"and."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":1047.93,"endTime":1052.49,"body":"And you can see kind of chronologically how"},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":1047.93,"endTime":1052.49,"body":"the author has built the red herrings."},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":1052.49,"endTime":1052.81,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":1052.81,"endTime":1056.17,"body":"Because you can see where the clues"},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":1052.81,"endTime":1056.17,"body":"were planted and, like, what they were trying"},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":1056.17,"endTime":1057.17,"body":"to lead you to believe."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":1058.13,"endTime":1062.57,"body":"And so I find that really helpful when I go"},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":1058.13,"endTime":1062.57,"body":"back through to be like, ah, okay, this is how"},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":1062.57,"endTime":1064.56,"body":"she structured the mystery or whatever."},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":1064.64,"endTime":1065.28,"body":"Love that."},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":1066.48,"endTime":1066.96,"body":"Cool."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":1067.2,"endTime":1067.76,"body":"So go."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":1067.76,"endTime":1069.36,"body":"Go study your favorite books, guys."},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":1069.92,"endTime":1070.64,"body":"Good luck."},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":1070.64,"endTime":1071.28,"body":"Have fun."},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":1073.52,"endTime":1077.48,"body":"If you want to build a successful, fulfilling,"},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":1073.52,"endTime":1077.48,"body":"and sustainable writing life that works for"},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":1077.48,"endTime":1079.28,"body":"you, you've got to get on our email list."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":1079.6,"endTime":1082.64,"body":"Sign up now to get our free email"},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":1079.6,"endTime":1082.64,"body":"course, the Magic of Character Arcs."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":1082.64,"endTime":1086.28,"body":"After seven days of email magic, you'll have"},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":1082.64,"endTime":1086.28,"body":"the power to keep your readers flipping pages"},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":1086.28,"endTime":1087.12,"body":"all through the night."},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":1087.44,"endTime":1088.44,"body":"Link in the show notes."},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":1088.44,"endTime":1089.2,"body":"We'll see you there."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":1089.6,"endTime":1090.24,"body":"Bye."}]}