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For me I'm like extremely motivated by"},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":2182.0099999999998,"endTime":2185.13,"body":"competence."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":2186.25,"endTime":2191.22,"body":"So like if it doesn't feel right that you"},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":2186.25,"endTime":2191.22,"body":"like, then I struggle."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":2191.38,"endTime":2195.42,"body":"But that's why I love revisions is cause they"},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":2191.38,"endTime":2195.42,"body":"make me like I'm coming at it with an answer"},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":2195.42,"endTime":2197.38,"body":"versus like just moving forward."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":2198.58,"endTime":2199.9,"body":"And so it's far more rewarding."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":2199.9,"endTime":2200.46,"body":"It's easier."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":2200.46,"endTime":2203.7,"body":"I find flow state in revision so much easier"},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":2200.46,"endTime":2203.7,"body":"than drafting."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":2203.7,"endTime":2208.5,"body":"But it is fun to discover that I can find it"},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":2203.7,"endTime":2208.5,"body":"in drafting because I didn't think that was"},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":2208.5,"endTime":2208.8199999999997,"body":"possible."},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":2209.54,"endTime":2210.34,"body":"Now you know."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":2210.74,"endTime":2211.46,"body":"Now I know."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":2211.86,"endTime":2212.5,"body":"All right."},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":2213.62,"endTime":2217.34,"body":"If you want to build a successful,"},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":2213.62,"endTime":2217.34,"body":"fulfilling and sustainable writing life that"},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":2217.34,"endTime":2219.46,"body":"works for you, you've got to get on our email"},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":2217.34,"endTime":2219.46,"body":"list."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":2219.99,"endTime":2223.0299999999997,"body":"Sign up now to get our free email"},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":2219.99,"endTime":2223.0299999999997,"body":"course, the Magic of Character Arcs."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":2223.0299999999997,"endTime":2226.71,"body":"After seven days of email magic, you'll have"},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":2223.0299999999997,"endTime":2226.71,"body":"the power to keep your readers flipping pages"},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":2226.71,"endTime":2227.5899999999997,"body":"all through the night."},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":2228.23,"endTime":2229.1899999999996,"body":"Link in the show notes."},{"speaker":"Rachel","startTime":2229.1899999999996,"endTime":2229.91,"body":"We'll see you there."},{"speaker":"Emily","startTime":2230.5499999999997,"endTime":2231.1099999999997,"body":"Bye."}]}