20. Sleepaway Camp III: Teenage Wasteland (1989)

🥛🍨 MA! I’M GOIN’ TO CAMP!

That’s right, sweaty. CryBaby and Bowie return to campy fun time with Sleepaway Camp 3: Teenage Wasteland—a back-to-back sequel that’s equal parts sleazy, problematic, and… surprisingly fun?

This episode our hosts dig into the Camp New Horizons rebrand, Angela Baker’s deeply unserious wig-and-sunglasses disguise, and the revenge-hungry cop hot on her trail. Along the way, they unpack the film’s messy “rich kids vs. underprivileged kids” experiment, calling out its blatant racism, classism, and nonstop “yikes” moments. So hop in and get ready for some peak slop, Baybee!

Transcript

Welcome Back

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Angela is kind of a woke warrior. She's kind of, she's dark woke. Dark woke, she's dark. Woke 100%. Because it's like, every now and then she kills somebody for something. I'm like, Angela, that was overreacting. And then every now and then she'll just be like, and you're a dirty bigot. And I'm like, you know what? Tea? What is your book of Well, hanging out with your Smartest and Funniest Friend. You know me, I'll kill anybody, but. Hey, cuties, and welcome back to Horror Icon, your queer playground for all things scary, sexy, and stupid. You know me, I'm crybaby, the spooky slut from your wettest nightmare. And I, uh, by popular demand mm-hmm. Am still trans and still Bowie, kayas damn fucking right By popular demand, unless you're on Instagram, everyone else, the most popular demand, but Instagram, that's all right. I don't, that song is still going, uh, just in the fact that I get like PTSD when I open it now. Sure. It went from avoiding it for my mental health to now, like it is my Angela Baker. Yeah. Okay. I fear, I open it and it, it goes say no to drugs, you know, that's the vibe it gives me. Mm-hmm. So, well, Bowie, might I say you're looking very, um, sunkissed today, sun. Me and the sun went to third base. Yeah. Yeah. I can, I can tell. Yeah. Yes. I was trying to recapture the, the joy and the, homoeroticism of, uh, the first one. Mm-hmm. The, the baseball game. Yes. I'm, I'm very much getting that. Mm-hmm. Very much so. We got exactly one boy crop top in this film. Mm-hmm. So, oh yeah. I did appreciate it. That boy crop top. Yeah. For the few moments that we got it. For those of you who are only listening and not watching Bowie did their makeup today looking very Sun Point, very, um, bu very rustic, very much like we're about to tussle in the fields. Yeah. Uh, because I knew you weren't gonna be in drag, and so I was like, well, I gotta, yeah. I gotta, I gotta do something. But you are though, you're in, in, anyway. I threw a quick beat together. If I just say Arab drag, that will not, no. We need context for that until, until we get into, I swear to God, I'm not, just whatever you're picturing when I say those words. Please. Yes. If you haven't seen this movie yet, please it, it, it has a purpose. Um, I'll just say right now without the context. Very loosely inspired by a character in this movie. Mm-hmm. A little bit of a naughty, naughty girl. Mm-hmm. Um, and that's that. Just a quick eye. I got called into work again, which is great 'cause Money in the Pocket, but also time out of the, hourglass Boo. His boo. Oh. Like Sands through the hourglass. Yes. Well, welcome back Bowie. I'm so happy to have you. I'm so happy to be here. Yes. And welcome back everybody. Thank you for joining us in on this adventure of Sleepaway Camp. This, it just keeps going. This franchise baby. I am. Part of me is so taken by this experience because it's been a long time since I've Marathoned, so to speak, a franchise that I haven't seen before. Mm. Mm-hmm. Like the only film I had seen in this was Sleepaway Camp, the first one, proper. Mm-hmm. Sleepaway Camp proper. Mm-hmm. And so I feel like each time I go into one of the sequels, I feel a little excitement. A good amount of dread trepidation. Yes. Um, fear, very nervous. Yeah. But I will have to say with Sleepaway Camp three, teenage Wasteland mm-hmm. I was pleasantly surprised Yes. By how much I actually enjoyed the experience of watching this movie. Which is funny because we had talked about before that this movie was filmed back to back Uhhuh with two. Mm-hmm. And it felt like a totally different thing. It felt like it was at least a year apart, like filming wise. Yeah. It was weird. Uhhuh like, the minute it started I was like, I had to keep reminding myself. I was like, there was not an actual year between these films. Yeah. This was the next day. Exactly. It feels totally different. It, it's really interesting. And I wonder if part of that is just budgetary constraints. Mm-hmm. Because I, like, I, I don't think they made the decision to make this movie until After they had already started filming the second one. Right. So it was, from what I've read, a very like last minute spiel. it does feel like a totally different movie. Yeah. Me personally, despite how intensely problematic there are, it things are of it. Yeah. I still have to say, I actually think I liked this one a little bit better than the second one. Yeah. Yeah. No, I don't disagree. Mm-hmm. I liked The Kills more, except I will say, girl, you can't have these cunty kills and then go back to just hitting people with logs. It's so played out. Mm-hmm. I can't do it. Especially, I mean, it is kind of camp how long they take often. Mm-hmm. Just, it's, it's giving Lizzie Borden 40 wax. And it's like, you can't do that back to back with like a really cunty campy kill. 'cause then it's just like, oh my God, this again. Yeah. And well there's also too, there's a lot that I thought was hilarious about this movie. Mm-hmm. And I think. That most of what I found hilarious was not meant to be found hilarious. Certainly not. Which I think is part of the, the joy of sleep awake camp. Yeah. I've found that in all of the movies thus far. Mm-hmm. It has been, oh, I don't know what you thought with that moment. Mm-hmm. But I enjoyed it probably for an entirely different reason. Mm-hmm. Exactly.

Problematic Content Warnings

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Now some content, uh, warnings. Oh God. Some heads up for, is this the first time that we've had to do that or did we do that a little bit with the first one? I don't think we did. I just, because this one is just so blatantly problematic. I feel the need. 'cause I feel it's almost like. It's not full trauma, but we're definitely going in that direction. Yeah. Actually, yeah. Now that you mention it. Yeah. Which it feels weirder. If you don't go full trauma, then it, uh, trauma is trauma if you don't push it all the way. Mm-hmm. It like, to, to say, this was the first film so far that I audibly gasped and not for a Oh, positive reason. Oh. Oh. I had, I started a yikes counter. Oh, did, oh, did you? For every time I reflexively automatically was like, yikes. Just like, oh, they said that. They sure did that, did that multiple times. Multiple times, sure. Did at least three or like, or three. Three too many. Three too many. Yeah. Arguably one would say, would say, um, so yes. Um, what were, there's so for my friends who are familiar with like eighties horror and stuff like that, like, we are no strangers to racial stereotypes. Terrible statement to have. I know. Terrible. But like, you know, obvious. Like we, it's to unfortunately be expected. Mm. This film, my goodness. We have a, a, a handful of slurs with a hard R, in this film. Among other just like lines of dialogue that are, that are racist as fuck, as well as depictions of characters that are racist as fuck. So I just, I have to acknowledge that now before we start talking about the movie. 'cause there is a lot of that shit in there. And it is quite jarring if you're not expecting it. And, you know, watching it for the first time, I sure wasn't. Yeah. Uh, and I will say that like, I don't know if it's better or worse because of the, the way the plot is set up is like, so it's not out of nowhere. Mm-hmm. In the way that we have this weird plot set up that we'll get into, I'm sure. Mm-hmm. Um, I mean we can even talk about it now. It's nothing too spoily. Just like I literally did the frame of the camp of like, what's going on? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. My first line that I wrote down was literally a cast system. Yeah. Like I was picturing that, that Brooklyn GIF or Beyonce. Yeah. But it was me going A cast system system. Yes. Sweet listeners. This film dabbles in class dynamics in a camp setting. In a camp setting. We have rich kids and we have poor kids. We have rich kids and we have slur, slur fodder is what we have. Yes, we do. We do. But we don't realize that yet. Not yet, no. But we do know, like just from first glance you're like, oh, we're gonna be getting some tokens here. You know, I have to tell you, I wrote down in my notes, I said, when I said I wanted more characters of color, this is not what I meant. I recommend was excited, put put them all in the poor kids group. It was like, oh, this is exciting. It's immediately, seconds later I went, oh, I think I take it back. Yeah, I think I took it back. I think I took that back. Yep. There were a few things actually in this movie that I said, well, you know, I know what I said from the second movie, things I would like. Yeah. I take them all back. Yeah. It's funny too, 'cause I was thinking about my trepidations after, uh, of talking about this second movie. Yeah. Because I'm like, wow, Angela's kind of a prude and I don't know, like, I was like, there's a lot that I enjoy about this, but like I, some of the stuff that she's saying is just like stuff where I'm like, yikes. Why would you say that? Mm-hmm. Girl. She is. She is. She is. Sandra d Yeah, I was gonna say sleep sleepaway camp too is Sunday morning service compared to this one. Um, and I know we're laughing about it. I don't say that lightly. It's shitty. But I will say I, there are some moments, like brief moments of like a little bit of catharsis. Yeah. Where like somebody gets what they deserve and I'm like, okay, I fuck with that. Obviously I can do without all of the slurs and shit. so before warned everybody, um, yeah. It's also a very sleazy movie. we thought the last one started from the jump with the nudity. Yeah. I was, I, again, I kept having those little moments of like precognition where I'd be like, oh man, it seems like maybe we're not gonna get full frontal nudity a lot in this movie. And then seconds later, all the girls walking around the cabin literally seconds, all the girls take your shirt you gotta take off. Yes. Everybody off. Literally synchronized titty showing literally it was like watching dancers movies. Yes. Throughout this space just to broadcast their beacons of they it's fleas. It's truly breasted. Bubbly. She breasted bubbly. She breasted bubbly. Yes. God. And that's all for better or for worse. Mm-hmm. Um, ultimately I did again. Overall enjoy. Mm-hmm. The experience of watching this movie. Mm-hmm. Do I enjoy this movie? Mm. Nah. But the experience of watching it, I had a good time. I was also high, so I, I was a full on, I was giggling from the jump. Yeah. It, I mean, I probably, honestly, ideal conditions. Yeah. I would say. I would say so. Yeah. Do you have anything else to say before we get into Hmm. I just, I love, I love Pamela. I just think she, I think Pamela is wonderful. She's serving, yeah. She is serving in the dirtiest, roughest wig I have ever seen. This is not a spoiler, people, it's on the fucking poster. Not to make editing harder for you, but Please, I, I beg if you could Uh huh. Y can you put in a picture of Danny DeVito in the Ango Gian wig from Always Sunny? cause it is the same wig. It's that like triangle. I don't know if I've ever seen it. It's so good. And it was the first thing I thought of. I was like, who put her in that party? City? Hard front. Funny. I thought of, I thought of the fucking seia bob from America's Next Top Model, I'll blame Tyra for that too. Yeah. I'll blame Tyra for that week too. Yeah. I'll blame Tyra for, for Pamela's. Oh boy. Oh boy. Indeed. But I also didn't really enjoyed it because it was so bad. Anyway. Yeah. They weren't, I mean they weren't trying to, they weren't like, oh, I'm sorry. Did everyone not love this wig? Yeah. I think this is just a movie where you have to kick your shoes off and surrender to the fact that everything you're seeing on screen is a choice that somebody made to put on film. I will say, if you don't experience movies that way, I've started doing that. Movies, any kind of media where you, where you go in and you think, okay, whatever we're about to see was purposefully filmed. Mm-hmm. Directed. Acted and edited. Edited, perhaps most importantly, edited Exactly. And is in here on purpose. Exactly. And when you go in with that, it makes it even, it makes it so much even better. You're like, it makes it so much better. Wow. I really wanted to believe this was a mistake and it really wasn't. All right.

CryBaby's Breakdown

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We're diving on in officially to sleep away. Camp three, I I need you to understand teenage wastelands the same way as the second one. I ha I laid it out, you know, uh, quotes, characters. Uh, at the top I always have themes and there is nothing written. Yeah, there's thehy because I got to a point where I said, is there a single theme in here? No. Besides racism. Besides racism and purity culture. But even that was like not, here's the theme. Angela just wanted, Angela was phoning it in. Angela just wanted to have a good time and she on the way's I thought this would be the one. Yep. Alright. No girl. Well, time for a cry. Babies breakdown. Mom going to camp. You heard me. Sweaty. Sweaty. Our campy obsession continues with sleepaway Camp three teenage Wasteland and our sassy slasher. Angela Baker is back to chop wood and bitches. One year after the camp Rolling Hills Massacre, Lillian Herman, two incompetent and deeply inappropriate camp owners attempt to resurrect the blood soaked grounds under a rebrand camp. New Horizons. Mm-hmm. Which sounds like a conversion camp. Girl, sorry. No, you are absolutely right. It's kind of outta pocket, right? No, no, no, no, no. This Stanford marshmallow experiment of a summer camp promises exploitation of the class divide, marketed as an experiment in sharing. I wrote that down too. Oh, fucking what? Stanford marshmallow verbatim. but while the Camp Fas kumbaya class Harmony, a third counselor arrives to add some tension. Barney Whitmore. And boy does he, Sean's cop dad whose wife left him for a foot doctor. and he's grilling some hot dogs and he vows to exact his revenge by killing Angela Baker without due process. But he'll have to find her first, because apparently nobody in this world knows what Angela looks like. between that cop math, some sunglasses and a terrible wig. Why don't you let your parents see a pretty eyes? Yes. Mm-hmm. Angela infiltrates the camp and meets our bounty of stock characters from bigoted rich brats to dated racist stereotypes, each destined to meet their demise at the hands of the Angel of death. But the thing is, Angela is simply trying to have a good time at camp. And these pesky cheerleaders, fornicators and drug takers keep harshing her vibe, leaving her no choice but to murder them in ways that sound better on paper than they look on screen. And still these trauma esque meat bags, including the cop, earn their fates until we are left with our final girl, Marsha and her boy, toy Tony, the exoticized, underprivileged stud from East La Underprivileged. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Them using that word so often in that movie. Oh yeah. So you're underprivileged, huh? Mm-hmm. Girl, girl. You can't just ask people why they're underprivileged. They're underprivileged. So after Angela generously decides to let these two lovebirds live their lives, Marsha exacts her revenge by attacking Angela stabbing and incapacitating her just long enough to drop the real twist. She's got a boyfriend back home. Sorry, Tony. Why did the, why? I don't know. I dunno. We end with Angela in the back of an ambulance having just killed the two paramedics who are loudly debating whether or not they should just kill her Hippocratic Oath. More like Hippocratic Oath. Oh, And as the sirens fade into the night, one thing is clear, you can rebrand camp, but you can't rebrand Angela Baker. You can take the boy out the girl, but you can't take the the girl out the camp. Camp camp Boy. I was gonna say, I'm like, Reagan, Reaganomics Reaganomics. Yes, yes, yes, yes. So, Jesus, that's, that's essentially a sleep away Camp three, I gotta say, you know, this movie being what it is, I will give it its flowers for the craziest one-liners. Mm-hmm. Perhaps of the whole series thus far. I would agree. There's some great ones in the first one. Some pretty All right. Ones in the second one, but, oh my God, this one, it's just like throwing shit left and right. Fun. Yeah. From that first scene, you're like, okay. Yeah.

Bitch the Pot

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Alright. So bitch in the pot, we've already talked about this. This was filmed back to back with Sleepaway camp too. Oh, we were off camera. We were talking about names. Yes. And. I mentioned that I had something to share about like how these characters were named. Yes. I don't know why they went with this, but, Hmm. Most of the characters, with the exception of the reporter, and I think the cop mm-hmm. Their names were pulled from either the Brady Bunch West Side story or the monsters. WW this is what you get for pre-production being over a weekend. Mm-hmm. Everybody was high and drunk and going, Do y'all like musicals? What do you think? Yeah. Every, like, every What do you mean? Every character? Except for Tawny, the Reporter, which is a name. Which is a name. Yeah. Which I personally feel is probably like homage to Tawny. What's her face? Who, yeah. Dance on whites, snakes, car. Yeah. I was thinking of that, that girl. Yeah. And then Barney Whitmore, the, the cop. Yeah. Everybody else. I, and I confirmed it. I went through, I pulled up each, each show and what their characters were, and I pulled up the cast list and I was like, damn. Yeah. We got six of the Bradys, two of the monsters, and then a, a handful Sure. Of the, the west side stories, although I will fight somebody, the person who, the person who made it. Marsha and Maria. Mm-hmm. I will, I will fight them in the street I told you after, you know, I'm bad with names, so I was locked. I was like, I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonna know all the names of these characters. Mm-hmm. And then I was like, they're doing this to, they got you with Marcia and Maria with the, with the Brady sister. And the uh, uh, how do story do you solve a problem? Story. Story? Another wrong musical, another one, another Maria. Equally, I think it fits equally as well. Yeah. And cut to Sleepaway Camp four. They have an entire group of characters inspired by the nuns from Sound of Music. Yeah. And then like Sweeney Todd or something. I don't know. That'd be, that'd be lit actually. Yeah, I would, oh, you know, Ooh, if I'm getting, I'm a little giddy about this. I don't know why, but I'm just like, I, I don't know what the future holds for the next sleepaway camp movies, but how fun would it be if Angela is like the cook for a camp? Oh my God. And she Sweeney Todds that shit. Oh yeah. Yeah. And they could even do a little throwback to Shery. Ooh. You know, that's what was, I mean, not that Angela would do that, but you know what I'm saying? That's what was missing from this film, Shery. Oh, yeah. We, we had too much racism. Not enough pedophilia. Don't worry. We have a little bit in there. Don't worry. Oh, yeah. Like, girl. Okay. Anyway, moving along. So, oh, we talked a little bit about the deaths. Mm-hmm. The script originally contained more elaborate deaths for the characters, but they had to be changed, of course, for budgetary reasons. They like, just get up with the log again. Yes. Yeah. An example. Um, and I think you'll love this because you just love her fucking one-liners. I do. Herman the, one of the, the owners. Mm-hmm. He was supposed to have a flaming poker shoved into his crotch with Angela proclaiming a weenie roast. Why did we not Come on. I know. Have I not lost enough in life? Uhhuh, you take this away from me. I know. I'm so devastated that we didn't get that. Ah, weenie rose. Oh, weenie rose. And when we get to talking about how he dies and like, all that stuff, that would make a lot of sense. We has a first name. It's o it's H-E-R-M-A-N. Yeah. Yeah. This film. It was originally given an given an X rating by the MPAA, due to the gore and violence. And the director said in an interview, we ran into a problem with the moral police American ass wipes on Sleepaway Camp three. They got a fly up their nose about the Cindy death scene and also the way Lily one of the camp counselors died. Those folks have no sense of humor or adventure. An MPA, a representative called Simpson to tell 'em that the woman who screened the film became physically ill after she watched Lily's lawnmower death scene. You know what's so funny is that I kept thinking during this movie that it was kind of both like two and one in that it went back and forth between like you will see the full death and like it's hinted at. Exactly. So like you don't see her fully put the lawnmower on her face. You see it's like a, the body after a split second. Yeah. And, but you do see, uh, friend o's exploded face. Yeah. Yes, yes. So I kept going back and forth and I was like, which are we doing? So I thought maybe that was also a budget thing, Uhhuh. So I was like, we don't, we don't have all the money to make another fake head. Yeah. But that's so funny to be like the moral police, the moral ass wipes. Yeah. I, damn, it's so funny 'cause I was thinking the same thing too. 'cause I noticed there was a good small handful of deaths mm-hmm. That would like show like a split second to cut away real fast. Yeah. And that was one of my main, notes of like this film and how it's like. Edited mm-hmm. Is that the editing to me feels very weird around the death scenes. Mm-hmm. In a way that's almost kind of like anti climactic. And I wonder if this is why, if they probably had them, edited a different way and then they had to change it up because the MPA, which is crazy because there was literally full on sex in the last one. Right. We watched her ride that man for quite a long time. Yeah. And so the fact that this one's like, it's too bloody. You gotta, it's too bloody. You gotta make it her niche. Yeah. You can't. It is like, and it's, you know, it's, now that I'm looking at it, the only deaths that the people that the MPA seemed, uh, to have an issue with were the white women. The racist. The racist. Especially the big racist. Is one of them the racist? Yes. The big racist tm. Not surprised it was the eighties. Ah, so this one, this is gonna be a little canon update for the sleepaway camp. 'cause you know how at the end of new info, uh, sleepaway Camp two, what was Molly? Mm-hmm. Um, it was just kind of like a freeze frame and we're just like, what happened to Molly? Like, did she die? Did Angela kidnap her? Whatever? Well, in this film, Tawny, the reporter says that there were 19 deaths. Yes. In Camp New Horizons. Mm-hmm. Uh, nope, sorry. Uh, rolling Hills, formerly Rolling Hills. Yes. Formerly artist Former Hills. The is formerly known as Rolling as Rolling Hills There were 18 kills in the movie Sleepaway Camp two, which confirms that Molly did in fact die. Wow. In between films. Yeah. Because there's just that like, cut. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Interesting. So those are, those are the facts that I got for this one. Mm-hmm. A lot of them, to me, the facts that I pulled for this one were facts that just made things make sense. Yeah. You know? Yeah. It made me understand like the things that I was perceiving in this movie, like, why is this edited so weird? Yeah. And I, and I always love hearing about like, censorship stuff and stuff like that, because it really is, so, it reminds me of the, the politics of banned books of why books get banned. Mm-hmm. 'cause you, you would think, oh, it has sex in it, it has bounce in it. And then you actually like, dig into why books are banned and you're like, how, how does this make any sense? Mm-hmm. If they have such weird explanations. Well, so of course movies are the same way where they're like, the tit, the titties, the underage titties are fine. Yeah. You, uh, the, the sex is fine. The lawnmower thing is a pro this, how dare you do this. Yeah. Alright. Are you ready for the rotten tomatoes? I'm fucking ready, ma'am. The lowest so far, 22% tomato meter. It's been going down steadily. It's been going down. And 30% popcorn meter. Ooh. Mm-hmm. So we're down with both. I think that might also be like the closest the two have been. I think so. To each other. Yeah. Everybody agrees this mediaship. Everybody was like, I So for the critics reviews. The bad review. Mm-hmm. Think of the Sleepaway Camp Trilogy as a live action version of the itchy and scratchy cartoons that the Simpsons kids love to watch so much. Kind of, kind of genius. Not wrong analysis. I think so too. Was that Roger Ebert? Probably. Um, we'll just say, yeah. This was definitely Ebert Miss thing. The good review. Sleepaway Camp three is a fantastic follow up to the previous sequel, and even if all the jokes don't necessarily stick the landing in the end, Pamela Springsteen is once again a superstar in this underappreciated sequel. That was the most interesting review that I can find. I, yeah, there's not many. I mean, yeah. It's, it's, it's a weird one. Mm-hmm. Because it's like, by far not the worst thing I've ever seen. No, but it's also not, it's not great. Like, am I gonna watch it again after this? Maybe like in a couple of years. Yeah. I'll get high and be like, Hey, y'all wanna see something real trashy? Yeah. Someone's like, man, I really wanna watch a summer camp slasher, but I can't do Friday 13th. Mm-hmm. Again. Yeah. What do we watch? And I go, well, what's your, we'll slip away camp one, but yeah. Like what's your, what's your, uh, bar? Yeah. For, for quality here. That's always a good question. What is your bar? Are you ready for the audience reviews? Yes. I chose these because I, they contradict each other. Like they're, I feel like if these two people were in the same room, we would get to watch a debate. Just like the Bible. Just like the Bible, yeah. Give it to me. Man, I will never understand why anyone defends this sequel in this series. Don't get me wrong, I love the first one. It's where I get my profile picture. Don't you know? But part two and this one are so damn lazy and full of disappointment. Plus, Angela is the worst killer in a slasher that I've ever seen. Her one-liners are bad, but they're also delivered with such boredom that I could barely fight the urge to. Fast forward, I could go more into how this movie angers me, but what's the point? Hard disagree. Can I give a a probably scalding hot take, please. I think I like if we're talking about Slashers and I'm thinking about like what, what current slashers or what, blah, blah, blah. I think I like Angela as a slasher more than I like Art the Clown. Honestly. That's fair. But like, I feel like that's, I feel like not liking Terrifi is like, because Terrifi is so in right now. I have complicated feelings about it. Yes. But if I had to pick one, me too. I love that bitch. I don't know. I love her too. There's far worse, far worse. Slashers. I would agree. I would. Have you seen the trailers for Scream seven? Hello? Uh, hello. Have you seen Fucking uh, God dammit. I'm talking about this movie again. The Fucking Undead Fishermen from, I'll always Know what you did last summer. Come on. Angela is not the worst. And actually, I was thinking about it while I was watching this movie. Yeah. Uh, specifically towards the end, I was like, God, I love Angela. She's just so fucking fun. I mean, I You just can't think of a comparable No, I would say you can't think of a comparable slasher. Yeah. 'cause most of the other slashers, like, they're either whodunits or they're like undead, zombie people. Yeah. You know, the, the only one that I think even comes close, and you really don't know it's her until the end is Jason's mom. Yeah. Because she's got that very like, like waspy. Like, what's wrong with all you people? Yeah. And she also doesn't show up until the end. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. She's a friend of the Christie's. Hmm. Interesting. Yeah. So I, I hard disagree. I think Angela don't disrespect Angela's name like that. No. And I think that especially for someone who has her, has her profile picture. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Mm. Now here's, the good review. The, the good, the good one. Am I the only one who thinks Angela is just an incredibly brilliant villain? No. Okay. It's mediocre. Can't be fun, but at least it's a fun film. Pamela Springsteen is actually quite incredible in this true, whether intentional or not. The way she portrays Angela is ingenious. True. She's a witty, crazy murderous legend. True. Despite others' opinions, the sleepaway camp experience is not complete without this installment. True. I would agree. I agree with all of that. Yes. I just love, like, as I was picking them, I was like, one is immediately like Angela's the worst, and then the next one is just like Angela's the best. Arguably every single fucking slasher movie, you just go on Letterboxed and you just watch the girlies fight. Mm-hmm. This is the worst slasher film I've ever seen. This is the best slasher film I've ever seen. Mm-hmm. Back and forth and back and forth and back and forth in that. Cuties is what's so great about horror. Is there something for everyone? And there are some things, things all the little better are for no one. Yeah. Few and far between. And we can all generally agree on them. Yeah. This movie is not one of them. World peace. World peace around shitty, shitty horror films. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Oh, I also wrote down, um, this was just a short little, like five star review. Someone was like, please bring the rating up. LOL. So real. So real. So just a quiet little honestly. Can I, after I read that. Five stars. Literally. I'm like, you know what? I get you take that up from a three to a five. Yeah. Kick that baby up. Kick that baby out. Listen again. After Scream Scream Seven exists now. Mm-hmm. We could, I I think we could bump her up. Have you seen Scream seven? No, I refuse. Me too. Okay, cool. Um, and for, for all of the reasons. Yeah. And the thing is, I am not going to make people feel like they are bad people for watching this movie, simply because the state of the world right now is a fucking nightmare. Mm-hmm. And I know that there's people who really value this franchise and it brings them a lot of joy. And returning characters Exactly. Are big. Exactly. Yeah. So I understand why there's still this pool for people to go see it. Yeah. I personally am not seeing it. Point one, I am 100% in support of Melissa Rera. Mm-hmm. I think they did her fucking dirty. Yep. And I personally, I loved her character, especially in Scream six. She like really, like, I was like, oh fuck. Like I love this woman. Yeah. Key example of fucking the narrative and your film for your shitty politics. Exactly. Exactly. So all of that bullshit, all of the production bullshit. It's just like the ai, the, yeah. I'm like, I personally do not want to see it. But no ethical consumption. I know. All, we all, yeah, that's exactly it. We all have shit that we sit down to consume and go. That is, whether we know it or not there's again, no moral judgment on the people who saw a scream But I personally, I won't and I will support people who also make that decision.

Character Roll Call and Kills

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Mm-hmm. let's go over the characters real quick 'cause we have a lot of them. I'm ready. I'm I'm fucking ready man. This time I'm gonna go, we're gonna go over them. I'm also just gonna talk about how they die. Yes. So we can talk about the deaths and all that stuff real quick before we get into it. So first and foremost, of course, our babe Angela Baker is back. We know because it is spray painted on at least two surfaces in this movie. She is hiding in plain sight and everybody's like, wow, I can't believe she's such a criminal mastermind. I know. Sunglasses and a wig baby. So we have Angela back. The next, the first person we see is Maria Milkshake n Castro, which I'll tell you right now. Mm-hmm. As a starting kill to a film. Mm-hmm. Impeccable. I, okay. I hope so. Because when I watched, this Kill Yeah. When I watched this full opening scene, I immediately texted you and I was like, oh, that, that's, that's when I said I was just like, I just started sleep away. Camp three. Mm-hmm. It's wild. All I have to say is milkshake. She got her milk shook. Yeah, she got her milk shook. She got her milk shook. The reason why we say milkshake is because Maria, within 30 seconds, topless telling her mom to go fuck herself, turning to camera. And we see a tattoo on her chest right above her tits that says Milkshake. Next. Tattoo. Next tattoo friend. Tattoo. Let's go. Go friend. Tattoo. Uh, I'll be the milk. And you gimme milkshake. Milkshake. The zoom in was just so I know her. Turning to the camera and then it was, it was perfect. So good. It's the exact trash that I want. Yeah. And then Angela just finds her and runs her down with a garbage truck. She does. And like, and, and, and crushes her in the back. And then we get our great, like rock opening. Exactly. I I'm gonna say like this, I had very high hopes after this opening scene. Yeah. I had very high hopes after the scene. Yeah. If I feel like if the whole movie was like that without the overt and casual racism mm-hmm. This would be a banger for me. Her sitting in the island of New York. Shirt with the wig waiting for the bus mm-hmm. To go to camp in front of the wall. That spray painted Angela is back. And the same orange spray paint that fucking snow boy is using throughout the film. Oh, impeccable. Impeccable. So good. Yeah. So Maria milkshake, nicaro gets run over by a garbage truck. Oh. And uh, Angela ends up, uh, impersonating her. Yes. Yes. So they have the same bad wig. Our next character that we meet is the reporter, Tawny Richards. She was serving something. She, I don't really know what her face card. Yeah, it was, I wanna look like that in drag. It, it was journalism. hear me out. I feel like that's a Kaia character. Like I saw her, that a KA character and I like, like, I feel like that's actually Katia. Yes. Yes. And the reason why thi this also had me cackling, when she tells Angela, she's like, you look kind of old, you look a lot older than these other kids. And then Angela's like, yeah, a lot of drugs. Oh, so drugs. Huh? You know, where I can get any coke like out of pocket like that. You know, like you do, like you do when you find somebody to a child, to a child who's like, yeah, I've struggled with drug use. Oh yeah. You know where I can get some coke. You smell like a crack head. That, that had me on the fucking ground. That and the, and the, she just turns to the camera and starts talking about the horrible violence that happened to give us the background for the last movie. Yeah. And then the counselors being like, what the fuck are you doing? And her being like, yeah, what violence sells? We gotta give them the violence. Yes. I was like, okay. I, she's turning it this diva. Yeah. I loved her. Tawny, Tawny, Tawny. I think it was like Tawny Richards or something like that. Yeah. And um, I also, I'm quite fond of the way she dies too. I find it so funny 'cause Angela does provide her with, the fix that she's asking for, but it's not quite coke. It could be just straight, comet or Ajax or one of them, or Ajax or something completely else. It was a cleaning product. We know that. Yeah. Yeah. Her, her talking to herself, cooking it up. Yeah. In the supply. Think about doing drugs is you never know if your stuff is pure. And you know what? You kind of, that's kind of what you get for walking up to a child at summer camp asking and asking, Hey, you know, where I could just, I just need a little bit, it's been a shit day. I can't drive home without Mommy's my, and she just pulls over on the side of the road to casually snort the whole fucking bag that she gets to. I'm like, oh, this addiction has gotta be a little outta hand if you can't drive home. Yeah. If you can't. Exactly. Whew. So yeah, she ends up getting poisoned that way. Fun fact, that car, apparently they had to rent it. It was so expensive that the director didn't let anybody touch it. Valid. He drove it from point to point valid, and he went through extra efforts to make sure that no fake blood got on it when that bitch died, which is why she opens up the car door and just mm-hmm. Falls out and just, she goes, wait, wait, wait. It's like when you feel like you're gonna throw up in an Uber. Exactly. You're like, I I'm outta here. Yep. I'm outta here. You hit the eject button. Yep. Uh, yeah. So that's Tawny. I love Tawny. The next people we meet are Herman and Lily. During the interview, they are the camp owners, I, I gotta tell you, that actor playing Herman is an alien, trying to be a human being. I don't disagree. I don't know what's happening there. He was, he was like, I was like, oh, this'll be like a callback to Mel. And it wasn't because it was like, I don't know what being you are. He, to me, I get, I get very leprechaun vibes from him. That man is a leprechaun. The movie or the species of creature. The species of creature, okay. Like that man is a leprechaun, that motherfucker, so Herman, the way he dies, he gets beaten and impaled by a log by angel. He really should have gotten weenie roasted. He should have gotten weenie roasted. And then Lily gets decapitated with a lawnmower. Yeah, pretty good. And I definitely we're carving out some time to talk about that death scene later. I literally said out loud to myself, I love sinister. exactly, exactly. Real ones know. Oh God, God. I was like, the trash is funny. But then she got with the lawnmower and I was like, oh, this is good. Yes. This is glorious. This is, yep. So Lily gets decapitated with a lawnmower. You hate to see it. Um, Cindy Hammersmith is, hammered ham baby. She is one of the rich kids. She is the most casually racist character in this film. Well, I cannot imagine being that actress mm-hmm. Who, like, you get your lines given to you and you're like reading them that day before the, and you go, uh, you want me to say this? This is my third line or something? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Like, no, her third line is literally, no, I think it's her second line in the whole movie is her laughing and just being like, but he's Mexican. Oh, I wrote that down. Yeah. That was one of my, yikes. Um, Sydnee Hammersmith, she's the racist one. She gets dropped from a flagpole creative and yeah, I think it's a fun sequence. Yeah. I enjoyed that one. I thought she was just gonna leave her up there like a weird waspy crucifixion. Yeah. I. Uh, I thought that she was probably gonna drop her 'cause I'm like, God damn, like this shot is taking so long. Yeah. Of her, of just Angela pulling on the rope with just them yelling back and forth. And I'm like, oh, they're showing us this to like, indicate how high she's pulling her, so that way when she drops her down, they can justify her being dead. Right. So yeah, she gets dropped from a flagpole, flagpole drop a, I love how she's like, why are you doing this to me? And Angela's like, because you're a cheerleader, a fornicator, a drug taker, a nasty bigot. But besides that, you're nice, you're nice. Drop the way she says, you're nice. Mm-hmm. It's so, it was so good. Uhhuh. It was so good. Mm-hmm. It's like, I love that the first strike is that she's a cheerleader. Yeah. I wanna know that story. I wanna know why does Angela specifically, what team did she not get on eight cheerleaders? Yeah. Yeah. There was a whole other movie that we didn't see that involved cheerleaders. I know. I want that movie. Yeah. Angela tries out for fucking, what are the cowboys? The cheerleaders, the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders. Dallas cheerleaders. Yeah. Yeah. That's harder than the fucking military it seems like. Oh, I bet. Uh, Jan Hernandez from Palm View, Arizona, she is very infantalized in like the way she is written and played like mm-hmm. Very sweet pea. She gets bludgeoned with a log. She sure does. While topless, of course, an unfortunate, boring kill. Mm-hmm. Oh, and by the way, so, the first group of campers that I'm introducing, these are all the rich kids. So Cindy is a rich kid. Jan is a rich kid. Uh, Greg Nima is a rich kid from West Hollywood, California. No, Hollywood, California. Yeah. He's not gay. He's from regular Hollywood, not West Hollywood. We go, he gets axed in the chest later on in the movie, along with Anita, Peter Doyle. Mm-hmm. He is from Texas. He's the one that gets his face blown up by the firecracker. Yikes. Yikes. Indeed. Bobby Stark, our final, oh no, our second to final, rich kid, uh, he's from somewhere in Illinois. Mm-hmm. And he gets his arms pulled off. I mean, I would've loved to see more of that moment. Me too. But it, me too. Yeah. It was pretty good. And then we have Marsha Holland, who is our final girl. She's from defiance, Ohio, and she survives. Now let's move to the bad kids. Our naughty, naughty teens. Societally naughty. We have Arab pronounced Arab pronounced Arab, uh, which is from West side Story, one of the sharks or the jet or something. Sure. She gets decapitated by Angela. We have snow Boy. Oh, snow boy. I love snow from, uh, he's from Chicago. Shy town. Yeah. Bird alive in the tent. Have Anita Ham. Yeah. She gets axed in the chest with Greg Naima. Yeah. Riff. Riff. Riff. Impaled with stent p tent spikes. Yikes. Tony De Herrera. Mm-hmm. Our, our beefcake from East La Tony, he survived. Thank God. Thank God I love Tony. And then the last two characters I have, we have Barney Whitmore, who is Shawn's dad from the last movie. Mm-hmm. Which I do agree. I think that's a very fun insertion, It's funny how incompetent he is. Ugh. I know. He's like, I'm here. Uh, in hopes that she'll show up to kill her. Yeah. And then doesn't realize it's her for the whole fucking first chunk of the movie. He was hoping to Kyle Rittenhouse that shit. Uh, I think that just gave me a heart murmur. Sorry. Sorry. Speaking of heart murmurs are last characters of the paramedics I iconic. Iconic scene, him looking dead, almost dead to the camera. Mm-hmm. And going, she doesn't deserve to live. Why don't we just kill her? Kill her. And you can see the other paramedic kind of looking like, is that how you're gonna do the line? Read like the other guy's like, like he looks pretty caught off guard. Mm-hmm. And he's like, oh, I, uh, sorry, I didn't know your game. That's kind of crazy. Go with that. Yeah. Um, yeah. Never underestimate the angel of death. Taking care. I love that business. Of course, she has to end the movie with just a cheesy ass line. Has to, she has to have the last word. Yeah.

CryBaby Yikes Count & Angela's Ethos

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So that's a quick rundown of all of our characters. Yeah. Um,, Let's get into it. Let's talk about this naughty, naughty movie. Oh boy. And I'm gonna start just by saying my yikes counter. Mm-hmm. 14. Yeah. Yeah. I, I couldn't count there. It just got to a point where it was just kind of coming over me in waves. That's fair. There was like a couple of scenes where there was like three yikes. Mm-hmm. That happened within 30 seconds that I consolidated into one. Mm-hmm. It, the yikes counters actually probably much higher than, than 14. Yeah. But there's a lot of yikes in this. Everybody. Lots of Yikes. Because there are lines where you're, again, and we had this issue with like the second one that really ride the line where you're like, I'm not sure. If you're doing this in a weird, like, satirical way or not mm-hmm. Because they, it would seem like it in one moment, and then the next moment you'd be like, oh, absolutely not. And so, like for instance, Cindy mm-hmm. The white girl just drop in the end slur left, right and center. Mm-hmm. So casually. I so casually. Um, and then having her, you know, be absolutely destroyed by Angela mm-hmm. Is like, it's hard to feel like, it feels important because Angela's killing everybody. Mm-hmm. And so they do have her say like, you're a bigot. And it's like, but girl, you would've killed her anyway. Yeah. It's kind of like what you said with the last movie, with those two kids who are like taking photos of the girls undressing where it's like one of these isn't quite like the other. But I will say in this movie, there's just a lot of deplorable action beyond the bigotry and, you know, it's, it's a broad spectrum of, of Indecencies that Angela is punishing these people for Yeah. And, and meanwhile, last movie we got a, a big fat slur counter of what? One, maybe two. Oh, the friends and gay guy over there. One. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think, I think it was once, yeah, that they just randomly we're like, oh, this is the eighties. We gotta put that in. Yeah. Honestly. So this one I was kind of expecting that one from which we got one of the boys, but then we got it from Arab. Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But we got just friend and gay. We didn't get the guy over there. Right. Friend and gay. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, but, but that, but that, it's like a very minor inconvenience because was it R Riff who was doing the, with the, with the, um, boombox? He had the boombox. Oh yeah. With playing the garage band loops on the, the very small inconvenience of a man playing his radio and then her just standing up and she's not even like screaming or whatever. Her just very being like, like being like, you were just the rudest man. Like, that's like, it felt like that, but like totally different language. And I, what I also realized, and this also made me quite angry, and I'm not sure I. Why it was written and acted this way. But I'm also not surprised because this feels very true to life. Mm-hmm. When she says that to him, when Cindy says that to riff and he responds by saying, fuck you, and he shoves a pie or whatever in her face. Mm-hmm. He's the one that gets reprimanded. Mm-hmm. And he's the one that's wrong. Mm-hmm. And Cindy doesn't get any kind of nothing. Not a talking to nothing. Lily is just like, riff. How dare you. Yeah. And you know that she knows that it's not an issue because when Angela is leading her away, she just keeps talking. She says it again. She just keeps being like, as if she has like a rat problem, Uhhuh. It's like, you know, you just, it's just so frustrating. and I wish, you know, the last one I think had more, theme appropriate kills. Whereas this one, sometimes like obviously the guy getting blown up with his own firecrackers mm-hmm. But her on the flagpole is like, not really, it, there's, there's no, and, and, and most, I feel like of the deaths were like that, where they didn't actually have anything to do with like, camping With what? No, with, with what their perceived sin was. Oh, I see, I see, I see. Um, or, or any kind of, you know, adjacent thing. 'cause, you know, I was thinking to myself, I was like, okay, so Cindy's gonna get an elaborate death. Oh, I right. But I was like, huh, this is the, this is the choice for her death. Yeah. Hmm. Yeah. 'cause the, the way that the, again, the way this is edited, I don't know if it if this is intentional, but it kind of puts Cindy. Front and center in terms of like people we pay attention to from the rich kids. Mm-hmm. And I mean, part of it's her problematic behavior, but I felt like she was gonna be a bit more of a problem Yeah. Than she was. I mean, she was a huge fucking problem for us. But I mean, yeah. Yeah. But I thought that she was gonna be like a bit more of a problem for Angela. Yeah. But it, you know, and that ended up not being the case. And also you can tell that Cindy, this just popped in my head so I have to say it. When she, when they're doing that fucking trust exercise and she stops and she's like, time for a ciggy. That girl, that bitch is not a real smoker. No. She takes, she takes one hit and she drops it on the ground and steps on it. I'm sure. Does any smoker knows that you would rather die than put out a cigarette that you just lit for a turtle? Fake behavior pose your behavior feels a little fake and gay. Yep. Feels a little making gay. but I did, I did enjoy her read when they were asking, when fucking Lily's, just like, what's your favorite movie? She's like, I don't know. Movies with good acting like The Care Bears. I wrote it down having her two movies that she mentions. Yeah. What was the first one again? Being Care Bears and Gone With The Wind. That's what it was Gone with. The Wind is the most waspy, bigoted. I'm so like pure Girl culture. That's actually like a huge bigot. Like huge Cook. Yeah. Was so, and then the guy being like, being like, oh, uh, movies that make America Make America look really good. Rambo three. Great movie, Rambo three. And then they reduce Rift down to just being stupid where he is like, Hmm, I like movies with tits and blood. Yep. Yep. Although, I will say there is some like slight interesting political stuff in there that they give Angela that is kind of like, I think about if, if it feels so weirdly, like timely now in an unfortunate way. But when she, when she's like, you don't look 17, you look much older. And she's like, the town I grew up in didn't have any fluoride in the water. And I was like, what a line. Like what a line Like mm-hmm. Yes. It's so good. Yeah. It's such a stupid line. It's so good. Or when, when the Tawny is like you, you look crazy and she just says massive drugs. Mm-hmm. Like, how can you not love Angela? I know she's trying. So she is so like nerdy. Mm-hmm. Like dorky, like really trying to be like an icon. And she's just so you can tell middle-aged woman codis, she just like at the root of her character, she just wants to have a good time at summer camp. She does. And I think I definitely caught this more in this movie than I did in the previous movie. Mm-hmm. Of just how emotionally attached she is. To having a perfect summer camp experience. Yeah. Like we got a little bit of it before, but esp even with this, with the flashback fantasy, we do, we do have another flashback in this one. Thankfully it's not quite Silent night. Deadly night too levels of like, oh my God, please stop. It's not the same footage. It is, it's, it's, it is red instead of blue. Uh, so that's a change. So there's something, and, she has a massive blue like fucking county fair like ribbon thing on her neck that says Mass bovine glitter number one best in show. But in that flashback, I, I did have a little bit of PTSD from the second one where I'm like, oh my God. Not again. Not again, not again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was almost at the exact same point too. Yeah. It was like two thirds of the way in. I'm like, oh my God, this is not happening again when it's starting to drag Uhhuh. But when, you know, she talks a little bit about just like, you know, I've been abused, I've been bullied and, you know, misunderstood more times than I can count. But that's what's so great about camp is just like, we can come here and just love each other. Um, and I'm just like, okay, I see the shallow attempt at like, you know what this all is. It's just like Angela. Does not wanna kill these people. She just wants to have a good time and they're getting in her way. Yeah. You know? Mm-hmm. Which makes me want to ask her, what's your ideal camper, Angela? That's herself. Yes. But like, who would you not be killing also? But then I guess we kind of get that because it's like Marsha and Molly, she likes redheads. We both like, oh yes, it's redhead. Her perfect camper is a redhead, is a, a pure of heart redhead who says things like, Tony, are you in a gang?

Marcia and Tony Romance

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Okay, let's talk about them. Actually, there was, there was a moment that I was like, God, is this a fucking afterschool? PSA? It's like, are you in a gang? Yeah. Everyone where I'm from is. Mm-hmm. And the only way to get out of it is to move. And her fucking going to, to their credit, showing her being like, upper class and privileged being like, well, you can always move. And being like, yeah, I guess. Mm-hmm. Be like, why don't you just move? I know. That's why it's, it's so clear that she is totally fetishizing and exoticizing him. Yeah. It's, are you in a gang? Yeah. Oh, but I, uh, what, because I don't know, because we have, we, we always have like the. Kind of foils or mirrored pairs of like Angela and Paul. Mm-hmm. And then in the second one, we have Molly, Molly and Sean. And Sean. Mm-hmm. And they're kind of like an improvement mm-hmm. On Angela and you know that situation. And then we have now Tony and Marsha. Mm-hmm. And the, oh my God. The fact that we have a man who asks for consent to kiss her. I felt crazy. I clocked up, I was like, in my sleep boy camp consent. I clocked up. I like in my sleep boy camp. Yeah. I was like, oh my God. Like, okay. Mm-hmm. Some sort of credit for, for making one of your stereotype underprivileged kids. The one man in the, these movies so far, far, the one asking for consent, Uhhuh. Crazy. Very impressed. I was very happy with that. Insane. I, I think it's, I found it interesting. I remember getting excited when I saw this too. 'cause like at this point we're so used to like girls that have sex mm-hmm. Being dead and they have sex and then they die. Yeah. They have sex and then they. And then Marsha, while they're just like making out, after Tony asks to kiss, she pulls out a condom and she's like, if we're gonna make love, at least wear this. And he's just like, I'm moving to Ohio. Oh my God. I was like, and safe sex practices in my sleepaway camp three. Mm-hmm. Unbelievable. Mm-hmm. I was like, okay. And suddenly someone on the team was like, guys, we gotta get somebody in here doing, doing safe sex. It's so wild too, because the prev, the movie just before this, probably filmed two weeks before this. Yes. We have the, you don't have AIDS or nothing, do you? And that's called growth and that's called growth. We grew, and even if that was only in one week at a pre-production, we grew.

Bobby with the Chaser Vibes

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but then also we have. White boy. Uh, weird, kinky white boy. Yes. What a strange character. It feels like we're getting to a point where we're running out of ideas for young teenage boys because they go, this, this guy is kind of gonna be like Paul. Mm-hmm. Where he's weirdly insistent with Angela. Mm-hmm. Whereas he barely knows her, but also he is gonna have a weird kink about getting tied up. Yeah. And it will work for our, our kill later. But other than that, I actually am quite a big fan of this actor's performance in this character. Oh yeah. Because the amount of closeted DL conservative men that I have accidentally hooked up with or that have made passes at me. Oh no. So many of them behave like that. So many of them. Okay. That's crazy. Perspective. Behave that. So like I was literally having like flashbacks. 'cause of course, you know, like doing OnlyFans and shit like that. Like I get. Shit all the time. Chaser type shit. And that, that particular brand of just like, I am very much into this and I'm very much into you, but, you know, I have like this, this weird kind of like, energy about it because it's like, oh, I never really get the chance to do this. And also like, you're not gonna tell anybody, right. Because I'm gonna be in politics when like everything Yeah. The line about I might lose an election one day. Yes. Is so like everything about his performance, to me it's like, it, it felt so deeply personal to like a, a certain brand of man that I unfortunately mm-hmm. Have to navigate mm-hmm. Frequently. Mm-hmm. So yes. Confusing. Not far from reality. Not poorly acted. Yeah. I didn't think I, I I, it felt very grounded in like the character. Mm-hmm. It was just his, his, his motivations, whatever they may have been. Were like, uh oh, we're doing this again. We're doing another Angela I'm chasing, which. We're probably gonna talk about the same thing. Go for it. Say it, say it. Say, say it. I was going to say I hadn't really thought about it in this way before, but I was gonna bring up the fact that they don't talk about the trans thing at all in this one. No, she is Angela Uhhuh. She is a girl and we never get the he she thing. Mm-hmm. Even the fucking cop who's looking for her Yeah. Is not doing the light roll. He's respecting turns straight, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. No. And so then if you add in that character. It makes it a chaser thing, even if you don't, even if they don't talk about her being trans. Mm-hmm. It it, if, you know, if you've seen it from the beginning mm-hmm. And you know, then you're like, oh, this does have a layer here of like, specifically your That is exactly. You're the one he wants the brand of man. Yeah. That would Exactly. Yeah, exactly. They never, they don't talk about it, but there's like a small little like allusion to it when we have the synchronized titty party, right. Where they had, like, I swear they choreographed putting on those sweatshirts together. They know it was like, it was so smooth, perfectly framed, double titties, mm-hmm. And you know that the minute that scene starts, when you see Cindy in her lingerie leaning and waiting for the bathroom, you're like, oh, we are in T City. Here we go, Uhhuh, time to resume the mayorship of Titty City baby. And then Angela. But with Angela in there, she's wearing her very conservative undergarments. Mm-hmm. Which, you know, if you've never seen, if you've only seen Sleepaway Camp three, that just reads as conservative. Yeah. But if you know the story, like, you know why she's so covered up. Yeah. But yeah, you're right. Like I think the, the parts of Bobby and Angela and their dynamic that is in between the lines. For me is so fucking queer. Mm-hmm. So fucking queer. Yeah. And this movie's always, these, these movies have always kind of like danced around the edges of that. Mm-hmm. Which I don't think it's completely unaware of with throwing around the f slur all the time. But, um, but yeah, there's, I mean, there's really something, there's a numerous video essays by queer people who just, you know, you start to, you start to go crazy after a while that you see so many pieces of media that you start to put the pieces together and you start to feel like a conspiracy theorist. Mm-hmm. Until you realize that Yeah. Since the dawn of media, there's been minorities and, and queer people specifically working on these things, who, of course it's going to be influenced by them purposefully or not. Mm-hmm. And so you see all these like, queer motifs and, and things. And as a queer person, you clock them and you're like, I feel crazy. how do I explain to this person? That this movie is not just about a campy slasher mm-hmm. At summer camp. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. Like, it's actually got a ton of queer themes and is about, you know what I mean? It just feels you feel crazy. At least I do. Yeah. Like every movie I go into, I'm like, please don't let this gimme a fucking crisis, because I'm not gonna know how to talk to it normally. Mm-hmm. Talk to people about this normally. You're right. And even just thinking about like, the Hayes code And how James Whale was very, intentional with how he coded certain things. Yep. Because you couldn't show anything queer, homosexual or whatnot. In films back in the day. Mm-hmm. And I think he's so masterfully, James Whale directed Frankenstein, everybody. Mm-hmm. Um, uh, he so masterfully found ways to bring that queerness on screen in a way. Mm-hmm. That's like if your team, and if you know, you know, yeah. And that has, I think that tradition has very strongly carried through, necessary or not. Yeah, there's just so many movies that. You go into and, and you wonder, especially older movies where we don't have like director interview interviews or they couldn't talk about certain things where you're like, how much of this am I just putting onto it? Or is like actually baked in there? Yeah. Because I see it, you know what I mean? Like, for sure it's gotta be in there. Mm-hmm. And you know what? I don't think it matters. No. You know, and we've, we've had the conversation before about intent versus impact. Yeah. Of course it's nice to know that something was intentionally built a certain way. Yeah. Like did you see the, the little article I sent you about the guy who played Buffalo Bill being like, oh, I don't think I read that yet. Yeah. I was supposed to read that before. It's the article, I think, by them. Mm-hmm. Um, and it was him being like, he wishes that Yeah. That character, which is like, you know, it's, it's complicated. Mm-hmm. And I think he turned that role out. Yeah. I think he did what? Like, you know, he, he, he performed that role. But like, yeah, it was interesting to see that pop up 'cause that 'cause Son of the Lambs is so much that version of intent versus how it's received. Mm-hmm. And we have so many different theories and feelings depending on who you are and your history and identity and all these things. So I saw that and I was like. Ooh. Mm-hmm.,

Lily's Garbage Lawn Mower Death

1:03:26

Can we talk about Lily's death with like the garbage and the lawnmower? I, that's of all of the kills in this movie. Mm-hmm. That's the one where I'm just like, I need to know what was going through Bowie's mind when they watched this scene. That was the number one where I'm like, Bowie, please tell me. Please tell me. Yeah. Yeah. I was eating that up because I mean, it was giving me not to keep bringing up Silent Night. Deadly night too. Garbage day, but went garbage, garbage day. It was like, like a lot of things went through my head at once. And a lot of them were like other horror movies. Mm-hmm. So it was like garbage day. And then I also had the, like, I love sinister. Mm-hmm. Because I see a lawnmower now and I go, yeah. I'm like one of the best physically triggered Oh so bad. That movie. There's a reason why it keeps popping up on lists of like, scariest movies based on poles of like thousands of people because it's fucking scary because it's so upsetting. And yeah. Her fucking getting, her fucking, getting tossed into that trash. it was giving me, it was also giving me that, the, the outhouse kill. Mm-hmm. It was very much like, like the drawn out. Yes. Yeah. And from garbage, you have come into garbage, you will return. Mm-hmm. Because her talking about all this stuff about like the money and how it Yeah. Burying the garbage because it costs so much money to do waste disposal. And Angela's speaking up for the waste disposal workers of the world and going, it's really not that expensive girl. Listen, Angela, Angela is kind of a woke warrior. She's kind of, she's dark woke. Dark woke, she's dark. Woke 100%. Because it's like, every now and then she kills somebody for something. I'm like, Angela, that was overreacting. And then every now and then she'll just be like, and you're a dirty bigot. And I'm like, you know what? Tea? You know what? Yeah. Go on. Go on. And like, I love, I love a, a falling in backwards with the legs out, but then even better when it's just the head mm-hmm. When it's just the head sticking out. And again, I thought, just like with the flagpole, I thought she was gonna leave her. And then I love a shot where you, where it's blurry to start with. Mm-hmm. And it's in the back. And so you just see her like loony tunes pushing this giant mower into frame. Yep. Everything about it was perfect. It was so good. I loved it. I loved it so much. And I'm like, okay, how are they gonna do this? And her just like, picking it up, picking it up, and just dropping it on her head like, damn. Here's what I loved about this death scene. It was so fucking campy because mm-hmm. She very clearly, very easily. It could have just gotten up. Mm-hmm. And walked outta that trash pile. Sure could have. But she was just lying there screaming her head off. And I wrote down the line that had me cracking up. 'cause before they get, she gets thrown into the garbage pit, she was talking about like going on this cruise and like, that's why they're not spending all this money because her and Herman are supposed to go on a cruise. And Angela's like, did you buy a ticket yet? And she's like, no. And then that's when she gets thrown in the pile. And as she's screaming and as Angela's slowly but surely, like burying, you know, piling dirt on this woman in the trash. You hear her scream. I wrote it down. Yep. Um, you hear her scream, I changed my mind. I bought the ticket. And you can go with us. And I need to know if that was, that has to be improv. What's so good about it is I couldn't tell if it was one of those lines that was actually said in the scene or like adrd after. Oh. Because it is so like you don't really see her saying it. It's like kind of blurry and you, and it's like all you see is Angela digging the dirt. Yeah. There's something so good about it. Where there, there are these moments of sleepaway camp in, in all the movies that kind of make them worth all watch, if not a repeat watch. Mm-hmm. Is these little moments where it's like. It pure camp, like you get the camp. Mm-hmm. And that was one of them. I was like, this scene is it? Yes. Because if you weren't paying attention or you were talking to someone over it, you wouldn't hear it. Mm-hmm. And that's a shame because big old shame or just you can come with us. No, I changed my mind, I bought the tickets. You can come with us. So good things like that. And also like for instance, Herman fucking stumbling out of the tent and being like, come on, my old lady doesn't give it to me anymore. You know? Mm-hmm. He's just random one off lines. He wearing his long Johns getting just like smacked. Well, and that's another one that goes on so long, like Yes. With the fucking, and then I love when we cut into the tent with uh, Jan and she's like, Herman, what's going on out there? But you clearly see the shadow of these two figures and one is beating the other one with the stump. She's like, what's going on in the shittiest little tents you've ever seen in your life? Mm-hmm. A little pop tent, a little Cub Scout. Mm-hmm. Situation. So fucking, yeah. Uh, that's another thing that Sleepaway Camp does sometimes that I adore and I think makes. The camp when it is campy is the shots that are really long for no reason. So I think the first one that we got is during the fucking boating accident in the first one. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Where she's like screaming and instead of it being like, ah, and then cutting it just, ah, it goes. And I'm like, you know what? Actually I ate this up. Yeah. And then, oh, then like the baseball game. Yes. Very long. Very long. Very long. And then you have, I know I said the, the log beating scenes are played out, but when you watch her just run after this old man tripping on his fucking pants mm-hmm. It's so good. It's so good. It's just matter of a fact. There's no style to it, there's no pizazz. It's just matter of a fact. Wide angle. Just watching it happen. Loony tunes type shit. Yeah. I feel like in the background, I expect it to be like exactly like everybody, just like with her in the tent, like, what's going on? Mm-hmm. What's going on? That

Herman and Jan Ick Factor

1:09:43

whole thing gave me the ick. Oh yeah. Like the relationship between those two. I thank you. I was like, like, like, oh, this is another Mel, um, situation. And then it, and then, and then we moved off into the stratosphere. And I can't believe, like, I was trying to figure out. How I, I'm trying to figure out his game, right? Mm-hmm. Because, like I said, he's a fucking leprechaun. Everybody like, man, he not a human is not really fuckable. And so the entire time we gonna pause on that, it's so true. Just that one idea. He is not fuckable, interpret that however you will uhhuh, but there is no better way of describing him. Yeah. Unfuckable unfuckable yet with a Playboy bunny belt buckle. And that's how he, he got that he won't stop touching. He like kept shaking it in Jan's face during like the opening ceremony or whatever the fuck it is. Hmm. And he's like, I, it's just, I, Jen, you could do so much better, girl. You could have anybody in that camp. No, she could, I was like, is he giving her money? Like, what, what's happening there? Yeah. Like, it was, it was the same kind of thing where it's just like with Mel and me, where it's like, how did he pull her? Mm-hmm. But significantly more disgusting. Yeah. And when Angela tells her, you know, your husband sleeps around. Mm-hmm. Just a little, just a little, a little big because you know. Angela's Petty. Mm-hmm. And I love that she's petty Crocker baby. She's like, I can't have you. Petty Crocker. Petty Crocker. I can't have you going to, uh, your death not knowing. Not knowing. So I'm gonna do you a favor and let you know, oh, you're a man. He ain't loyal. With like 17 year olds even. Yeah. Worse. It's just, it's disgusting. It's, and it's like, it's so, it's so cringey too, so watching him try to fuck is so uncomfortable. It's like imagining someone trying to fuck one of the Seven Dwarves. Yeah. Or like the fucking Lucky Charms. Yes. Mascot. Or the vibes, I don't know. A Keebler elf, you know? Yeah. Not, not just in a, in a vibes sense. It feels like a, a being that is, would be interfered with if you were to engage with them in that way. Yeah. It's irresponsible. Yeah. It's irresponsible. It is like the, like the Michelin man. Yeah, exactly. Like we're just Yeah. And we're gonna leave it at that, everybody. Yeah. That's, that's, that's, that's Herman and Jan. We'll leave it at that. I did enjoy, um, overall though, I feel like this movie was like way more balanced. Mm-hmm. In terms of like. The action and how Angela like moved throughout the space. Mm-hmm. Thankfully, we didn't like go into. Mm-hmm. There were like a couple of chasing scenes. There was one in particular, the one with Marsha after she finds Lily's decapitated body. Mm-hmm. Um, where I'm just like, oh God.

Sean's Cop Dad Who's Life Left Him for a Foot Doctor

1:12:43

And we got who, like, someone explained to me the laziness of the end of that scene where she, where the whole setup is confusing. Yes. Thank you. So did she fall down and hurt herself on purpose? Because at first I was like, oh, she's faking it. And then you see that her ankle is bruised. Yeah. And then she's limping uhhuh the rest of the film. So you're like, okay. So she hurt herself on purpose to get them alone, but then after she's like, does the big reveal of the dead body. Um, and then he comes back in, in, at what cop university did this man graduate from, because the way he walks in and is like, Angela, oh. And then he just stands there and first of all, she's got her hands behind her back. You're a, I'm sorry. You're a, a police officer. Uhhuh. You see a woman who is now killed 30 some odd people. Mm-hmm. Uh, and you don't immediately try to subdue her. Yeah. Exactly. Did he, did he wanna die? It was kind of giving me like, I have nothing live to live to before. Just fucking do it. I mean, his wife did leave him for a foot doctor and his son was killing it. It's a real bummer. I love too, how it's so stupid. I, it's like, it's, it's very, like I see the script being written here mm-hmm. When he's like, so how you gonna kill me? Battery acid, leeches a drill. I was like, how long is this gonna long? Yeah. Are you gonna long cut my head off? Like, he literally, every single one literal, he recaps the kill count from the previous movie. Are you gonna barbecue me? And then say some line about don't do drug, like, and Okay. I just love how her response is like, no, with a gun. A gun. It was giving the drill. It was giving the drill A drill. Yeah. A gun because it was mirroring. Like, what are you reaching for back there? A gun? Mm-hmm. No, a drill. Mm-hmm. Um, and he, and she just shoots him. He just let her do it and he dies. And there's kind of like this vibe to Angela that almost looks like, she's like, is he really not gonna Yeah. Like, try to stop me or, and if he's a cop, where's his gun? Uhhuh. Like, which, like, listen, I'm not advocating for that, but you're telling me a man. Who's kind of here on official business, but really here because of revenge, because she wants to fucking kill a bitch. Because he wants to kill a bitch. Doesn't, isn't armed. Yeah. In any way. Yeah. What is happening? Yeah. He's just dead. I thought he was gonna be a bigger problem too. Yeah. I thought him and Cindy were gonna be the big problems of this movie. Yeah. But it was, it was kind of anti-climactic, uh, his whole death, unfortunately. Except for the I do love the No. A gun and I do like that shot of her. Yes. Very good. Like straight into camera. Classic Angela. Um,

The Irresponsible Portrayal of Riff

1:15:34

but if I can talk, I don't like how she gets the gun. Yeah. That whole, okay. So remember how I said that there's like some kills that there was. Mm-hmm. There's one kill specifically where with this character, I'm like, yikes. Yeah. Um, and that's riff. Yeah. With the fucking, with the tent spikes, because I'm like, that with a doubt has happened in the real world. Yeah. To black people. Yeah. To, to more than one. Yeah. That one was particularly tough. Mm-hmm. Also, nevermind the fact that he, almost every time we see him, he like whips out the gun. A weapon or a knife. Yeah. And you're like, uh, yeah. I don't know. I don't know about that. He's definitely the most irresponsibly portrayed character in this film. Yeah. Unfortunately. Yeah. Um. Yeah. And, and it's, it, it sucks. It, it's very, very unfortunate. 'cause I do think that without, with his character being handled in a more respectful way, which is weird 'cause it's not even a good kill. You know what I mean? We have plenty of good sleepaway camp kills in the, in the, in the, in the storytelling realm. Mm-hmm. Of like, why did curling iron? Mm-hmm. How did you think of that? Um, it's not one of those unique, interesting, it's, it's only slightly, it's just brutal. More, more improved upon a log. Yeah. Know what I mean? So it is brutal, but not fun. But you know what I do, I have an asterisk to this though. Uhhuh Angela, this queen. Yeah. This stunt queen stunt. Can we talk about how she just throws a tape cassette in there and it's just her rapping about how she's gonna fucking kill him. This was yet another moment that I, that I wrote in my notes where I said, listen, I know literally on the podcast not too long ago, I said, we gotta bring back funny raps. In horror movies. This is not what I meant. That's not what I meant. That's not what I meant. Angela Eminem's weird niece, like coming in here, like trying to get in and her like clapping the beat. Yeah. In the back. It's, it, it got me though. I'm not gonna lie it because I just imagine the cut scene. Well I'm just, you know, it's similar to like, okay. Little backstory whenever I watch a horror movie, right? Mm-hmm. And the horror movie villain is like hiding. I always, when I see that happen, when I see the killer, like jump out of, or whatever, I think about the moment off camera with the killer like tiptoeing. I think of the same thing. I'm like, when did Angela record this? I'm like, I'm very, I'm like, I want, like, I'm so stuck on the extra effort that she went through for this gag. Yeah. For the bit. I'm Mama for the Vine. Angela might have a career as a drag queen. it's gotta be a spectacle. Mm-hmm. And we should have known that with the curling iron. That's true. The curling iron was the first, uh, the first of it all. Yeah. And the, and truly the audacity with the garbage truck, she didn't have any fear that anybody would watch her. No. Chase. I was wondering, I'm like, is nobody in the city responding to this, like a teenage girl getting chased down with a garbage truck? Not one. No one checked up. Nothing. Not one. Nope. And then she just, and that's what happens when you're underprivileged. That is, nobody cares. Nobody cares. Well, you know what? The garbage truck Nope. Is driving down this an empty street. A city with empty streets. Mm-hmm. With a woman, a, a child screaming, following her into an alley. I gotham City type shit. Very much so. Like, like she, you know what? Very much

Angela as a Villain

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so what actually, I think Angela would be a perfect Batman villain because every Batman villain is so draggy. Yeah, that's true. Every Batman villain is so, which is so funny because Batman is so, like, I'm Batman, you know, very broody, very straightforward. And then you have fucking villain's like Calendar man. Calendar man. He literally, literally kills by dates on the calendar. That's fine. He's like, calendar man. And then you have the Ridler, of course, riddle me, this Batman, and then the Joker, who is, you didn't have to do all that bunkers. Yeah. You didn't have to do all that. And Harley Quinn like, mm-hmm. She would fit in as a Batman villain. She really would. What would her Batman villain name be? I guess it has, I guess Angela of death. Angela of Death. Yeah. Yeah. But it, it would be Angela of death. Angela death. Yeah. Angela of death. Angela Death. Yeah. Angela f death, no one's, no one's ever pronouncing it right. And she's so pissed. And that's half of the reason why she kills them. She's always wearing like a dare shirt, t-shirt. Oh, no. I think these movies did more to help the, uh, quote unquote war on drugs than dare ever did. That's true. That's very true. You're a drug taker. Say no to drugs. You're a drug taker. I also just love all of the extra effort that she goes through at the end with like the little camp activity where she's like, Marsha's, in one of these cabins, you go, you better go find her. It brought me back to one of my favorite parts of the second one, which was the cabin. Mm-hmm. Of dead bodies. Yeah. She's like, we're gonna have fun. Yeah. We're everything's on display. Everybody come check it out. But you have my god, two minutes to find Marsha. Otherwise she's dead. If you run away, I kill you. Mm-hmm. If you hurt me. Mm-hmm. I kill you. He's, so, as she's tying them up, it's under the guise. They're just like, yeah, Barney says we're doing another trust activity. And they're like, where is Barney? She's like, I don't know. Wait, is that him? No, I don't think so. Wait, is that him over there? No. Oh wait. There he is. Fucking cuts him down from the tree. Bitch. Great of you to drop in. Oh girl. Girl, what is this clue? I can't Like what you, I can't. What do you mean? What do you mean she, how is she doing all this? Without anybody seeing her? I don't know, but I'm eating it up. I know. I do love that whole sequence though. The ending sequence. Yeah. Got me a little bit locked back in. Mm-hmm. Except, I mean, the two axes in the chest were kind of like, yeah, that's some jigsaw shit. Mm-hmm. That's some like predicting human behavior. Mm-hmm. Knowing exactly where they're gonna be. Exactly who you're gonna kill. Yeah. Yeah. And sort of like muddying your ethos. Mm-hmm. It's like, I thought you said that you were gonna put. We gonna let them go. Yeah. Although I love how she's like, but these two are kind of boring if you ask me. Which, I mean honestly, kind of fair. Because I forgot that they both were in this movie. Yeah, but that's also because they just were, I think they might have too, they weren't really given that much screen time. No. We had quite a few characters. Yeah. And then I would forget because they were separated into, I was gonna say, it didn't help that they were all split into three groups. you know what I do? I wanna spend a moment just to talk about mm-hmm. The, we get a little final girl subversion in this movie, I think. Mm-hmm. It's not our typical final girl, but this bitch, not only does she fuck, but she cheats on her boyfriend. Why was that in there? I'm very curious as well. I, I like, I, I like, I, I, yeah. Why? Well said. Why is like, why was that a choice? I don't hate it, actually, but what I do hate is I hate that it makes me not like Marsha. Yeah. At all. Yeah. And I don't wanna not like the final girl. Maybe Tony is our final girl. Tony is our final girl. Mm-hmm. He's pretty. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. What are your thoughts on that? Apart from just why? I had the same thing where I was like, how dare you do this to me and to her. Mm-hmm. Because I don't know. No. Like, part of me was like, are they doing this to be like, oh, Angela never should have let her go, because actually she's a huge slut. That's what I'm wondering. Yeah. She's on her boyfriend. Yeah. Um, and so it's supposed to be like a no's perfect. And like her, her logic is flawed anyway, because she was like, I'm only letting them live because they're. Uh, pure of heart. They're nice, they don't do anything wrong. But it's so sudden and so random, and then it immediately ends. And I'm just like, I don't, I don't, I don't know what this is meant to do. I think for me, it puts the final stamp on, oh, all of these rich kids fucking suck. Mm-hmm. You know, part of me wonders. I'm like, oh, is that a little bit of a commentary of just like, damn, even the rich girl that we thought was gonna be virtuous and, and um, you know, like treat this kid with respect even though she was totally fetishized in the fact that he was in a gang. Yeah. You know, I, I think it was just kind of like, oh no, like all of these rich kids fucking suck. Mm-hmm. And this is just how she sucks. Yeah. Yeah. It, again, it's one of those things where it's like we keep going back and forth in and out of this, of the point of the film. Yeah. Is there one, are we trying to actually talk about? I don't know. No. Or are communities, are we just trying to do something a little bit different? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I'm like, I, uh, uh, I don't, I don't know. I don't know. It's like I actually, I personally love the idea. Of having a final girl who doesn't fit that final girl mold. Mm-hmm. But I just don't think it was intentional enough for that. No. It's almost like they were trying to do what cabin in the woods did mm-hmm. With their final girl. Mm-hmm. Without actually doing what cabin in the woods did with their final girl. Right. You know? what else do you have to say about this movie? I did love the little callback too. Like I said, it was already like he was a little callback to Paul, but when she told him to meet her at the cabin heard yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. I was like, oh, can we please get another decapitation naked decapitation moment? Mm-hmm. But of course it had to be a different kill. But I did love that little moment. Mm-hmm. Because it made it feel like they knew, they remembered, yeah. That they had a, another weirdo blonde that was, uh, chasing her. Mm-hmm. Back in the day. So I did, I did appreciate that quite a bit. Me too. Alright.

The Boo Review

1:25:49

Yeah. I ready to move into our wrap up segments. Yes. Let's start with our boo review. How scary is the big bat of this movie? I feel like it's gonna be the exact same like qualifiers that we've used for the past two of just like, we're talking about like, the big bad is racism. It's terrible, classism, terrible. A caste system. Terrible. Yeah. I, I wasn't, there really weren't any moments in this that I wa because I honestly, I told you I didn't write down any themes. 'cause it weirdly felt inert in that way. Yeah. Like, there are political references. Racism does happen. Classism happens. And yet it, it didn't feel like any of those things. Yeah. Like Angela is not killing for those things. No. They're just there. They're happening. Yeah. They're just there. It's like, they just like, salt made it into the movie a little bit. Yeah, exactly. So I agree. This one was very like, not even the cursory amount of like, damn. That's crazy. Yeah. This is just, you know, even in the second woman, Angela fucking with the outhouse puts her in the outhouse. I, I was frightened. Mm-hmm. Scared. Yeah. There was nothing about this that No, no, no, no, no, no, no. What is your scariest or most uncomfortable moment of this movie? So we talked about scariest and me not thinking anything was scary, but we had, we both had several moments I threw slash uncomfy because this movie is not scary. Yeah. So something that, like, one that I would try to avoid in my everyday life. Yeah. Yeah. Because it was, it was, it was uncomfortable in the way of like. Some people like movies to be pure for them mm-hmm. That are pure escapism. Other people really like movies that they can relate to mm-hmm. And feel like are happening or relevant. Um, this was one of those movies I was like, it's not that I don't think that there should be very real problems that aren't happening in my horror movies. In fact, quite the opposite. But the, the casualness of the racism, bigotry, uh, all of that. It does kind of get to you. I wrote down, honestly, when Cindy drops the hard r so we're in the same boat there. Yeah, we are. Because it it just, it it hits you, but then it's also so casual. Yeah. Which is, is reflective of like so much. Yeah. Right now, unfortunately, it just feels, it feels like a garbage truck has run over you. Yeah. And you don't really know where it came from. Yep. Or when it's gonna stop and before you get a chance to, uh, compose yourself and re yourself, it just fucking hits you again. It hits you, it backs up a couple more times and drives over you again. Yep. Yeah. Okay. I'm glad we're in agreement of that. Yeah. I Do you think you could handle being in this movie? First of all, I would be in the underprivileged group, 1000%. Me too. Right. Um, and I, You know, the other movies, the, the kids were kind of interesting maybe to hang out with or mm-hmm. You know, whatever. But even Angela, I wouldn't even really be able to hang out with Angela and the other two movies. There was a certain level of hangout ability with Angela. Yeah. This one is like, she is not once ever like, friendly almost. You know what I mean? Yeah. There's no, there's no downtime for us to connect. Yeah. So I would either, I feel like I'd be either killed right away mm-hmm. Because she'd be like, something, something, something's going on with this. But the only thing that I could rely upon would be my, I'd have to leverage the trans card. Yeah. I'd be like, girl. Yeah. Listen, listen, I know more than you'd think. I know we have to stick together. Yes. Honestly, fair. I think, uh, what did, I wrote down, I said, I do think I'd be safe because compared to the ship bags in this movie, I'm a delight. Mm-hmm. What I will say, just mind your business and catch those fish. I would probably have joined Angela. Yeah. On her endeavors. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I almost got the vibe. Did you get this vibe? I almost got the vibe for a second. I don't know why that Marcia was gonna join her. Yeah. I don't know why with Molly. I never got that feeling. No, no, no, no. There was a moment. I don't know that. I was like, no. I thought the same thing. Yeah. But whatever. Fascinating.

The Horny Hall of Fame

1:30:14

Are you ready for the Horny Hall of Fame? Mm-hmm. Who's the sexiest character? It's probably a, a, a tie for me between, snow Boy and Tony. Oh yeah. 'cause he's said because I like the vibe of Snow Boy. Yeah. He's just like, he's just like goofing off. He's, and he is got this little punk vibe to him, like the bleach chair. Yeah. He's definitely, he's like a Dollar Store. Billy Idol. Yeah. Yeah. And he is kind of just like keeping to himself mostly. Yeah. Um, and then Tony, I mean Tony. Tony, yeah. Tony is everything you would want. Mm-hmm. And he fucking asked for consent. The bar is he asked for is so low. Yep. Yep. Me when I'm in a gang, but I know to ask for consent when I ask for consent. I, okay, so for me, is it, you can say Herman, it's okay. Yeah. I'll support you. Yes. Unfuckable nothing, nothing turns me on more than something that is unfuckable. Me and my lawnmower have a great, we have a very intimate relationship. Very intimate relationships. Um, no, I actually kind of have, I have two runner ups and then a winner. Right. My two runner ups, my two runner ups are Riff and Arab. I just think they're both, um, I wanted more of Arab. I wanted more of Arab too, and RIF to be different as a character. I wanted rif to be different. Yeah. But just like, mm-hmm. He, I find he's a, a very attractive man. Vibes. Yeah. And then oh, the, the sweatshirt within the cutoff. With the cutoff and like when Yeah. Like when he gets out of the tent and he's like stretching and like bopping to his music. I'm like, hold on, he's a bi. Yeah. Yeah. He's a vibe. Um, Arab, I just, I, there's some, I can't say that name and take myself. I know. Seriously. I know. Um, just think I just love a bad girl. Yeah. And bad girl. I just loved like the teased hair. Mm-hmm. And just like everything like her, I, I, I liked Arab, but she deserved more. I am also very much team Tony. Mm-hmm. I mean, he's the beefcake. That's what he is there to do. He's there to be attractive and safe people. He was the closest I think we had to Gino. He was Gino and I miss Gino. No one's ever gonna outdo Gino at all. Let's be honest. No, sorry guys. What do you think is the hottest death of this movie? Let me, let me look back at my, my things. I, I'm the kills were, you know, like I said, they were half like mm-hmm. Really interesting and half just like, yeah, like honorable mention. I love the firework one actually. Yeah. I thought that one was pretty cool. Do you want me to tell you mine? Yes. What I think the hottest death is? Yes. Funny enough, I think it's Bobby when he gets tied up and gets his arms ripped off of him. Very true. It is a little true little erotic. I also love how he's just like, think again, this is something that I've heard. I've heard these closeted fucking ass men say to me like, thanks for doing this. I really appreciate it. Bra as, and I love how he's like, so when do we screw? I thought that was so fucking funny. I just love when Angela's puttering around in the background mm-hmm. And not responding. Mm-hmm. When someone's talking to her. I would say the other one that I consider hot is just when she kills, the girl that was with Herman, because she has that moment where she's like, it's a good thing you're dead in a few years. Your breasts are gonna start sagging like crazy. Yep. And I'm like, thank God we have weirdly queer coded Angela back for, for a moment. For a moment. Um, because I just, I love when, when Queer Angela shows up for a moment. Yeah. Just like talking about tits. I'm like, yeah. Oh, that's so funny. Yeah. Yeah. I would agree with you just hefting up a naked lady. Yeah. Yeah. And here's the thing. I would also put like. And Jan is also very attractive. Yeah. She's probably rounding out the top five. No, you know what? She fucking likes Herman. Yeah. But she points away from that. She's kind of, it kind of seems like she's being groomed a little bit there. That's fair. She, she's, she's doomed by the narrative. I fear She is doomed by the narrative. I fear. How horny would you say this movie is? Well, there's much less sex in this one, weirdly. Yeah. There's a lot of, there's nudity, but not very titillating. There's sex nudity. No. Um, and, and the, the one like, like sexy part that we start to see quote unquote is Herman. And I was so like, like ly gagging. I was so turned off actually. Oh, I could not. And then I kept thinking about having to film that scene. I know. I was thinking about that too. I was like, I was like, how impressive. First off that we have this beautiful woman right here and I'm unable to be in any way, shape, or form interested. And, you know, taking in the beauty of her figure. And the part I had, I had like a moment where I was like, what a beautiful shot this is of her boob Uhhuh. There was like a moment. Yeah. And I was like, wow, what a beautiful shot of her face and her boob. And then he comes and, and then he comes in, duh. Literally fucking jaws. I said, you get your fucking face away from her beautiful boobs. And then when they fucking, um, they, I see what they were trying to do here. I don't think they did it well when they go to that closeup of her unzipping his Yes. Fly. And then they go to Angela unzipping the tent. I don't think they did that well, but I was just, I was so uncomfortable when they were doing that. I'm like, girl. I also loved that bit, but it also again was giving like weirdly vaginal for Angela. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, okay, we're okay. We're still doing okay. Okay. Okay. We still have no idea what Angela's identity is is happening. Yeah. Angela say, Angela's just a menace. Yeah. I love it. Angela is unfuckable in the other way of like, I'm scared she will not be fucked. No, she will not. You will not fuck her. Absolutely not. Unless she wants it. I bet Angela would be an excellent dominatrix. So true. I feel like if she, if we could rein her in True, yes. I feel like she would be, use her powers such a for good. Yes. Dominatrix. I feel like people would come out of their sessions truly healed. Yeah. Her rope work is fantastic. Yeah. Uh, she knows, she knows the banter. She does does, she's good at setting boundaries. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Alright. I hope that in the next two sleepaway camp movies, we get a little dominatrix. Angela, we're already getting there. I feel, feel like we're so close. We just need a high pony and some latex. Judy, Judy, Judy on the boobs. Oh, Judy. I miss her. Judy, some things I miss her too evil, but wasn't tossing around slurs. I will also say like, as much as like, I had a good time watching this movie, I had two thirds of a good time watching the second movie. Mm-hmm. Both of them still make me really miss the original. Yeah. I, I don't think I've ever. Ached and yearned this much. Yeah. For the original before in a franchise. Mm-hmm. So I just have to put that out there because I mean, it's just, it's very, it's unique. Yeah. You can't, you can't do it again. Especially 'cause even if they wanted to, they can't because obviously she has to grow up and so we can't just keep doing this is how it works. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, yeah. And so, yeah. It's hard to recapture Yeah. That lightning in a bottle. I'm glad they got it though. At least the once. Yeah.

Dumb Bitch Juice

1:37:32

Sleepaway camp three camp or cringe. Cringe, yeah. Mostly, yeah. With, with bursts of camp as a treat. Yeah. I would fear we started with Full Camp Uhhuh, we drifted into like, oh, we're getting shaky. Yep. And then this one was like, oh, girl, we're falling off the wagon. Yeah. It's not even like, weird politics now. It's just like, Hey, you wanna put a line in the script? How about you? Yeah. How about your cousin? What's something you always wanted to say to your mom? Like, like, okay, but there, Jesus, you know, Angela by herself as a character. Great. Yeah. If you cut everything else out, great. Wonderful. Um, but everything else around her, abysmal. Agreed. Mostly abysmal. All right. What is your best dumb decision, or your favorite stupid line of dialogue? God, I mean, I mean, it's, they're always during kills. Yeah. And so, you know. Mostly Angela, but you know, love the garbage. Mm-hmm. Line about you can come with us. Mm-hmm. Um, just any of those one-liners are just so good. Her little one-liner to Cindy. Long-winded one-liner. Oh. The 'cause you're a cheerleader and you're a fornicator. A drug taker, a nasty bigot, but beside that, you're nice. Yeah. Just honestly all of the, I have such a hard time picking 'cause they're all so good. That's true. I wrote down one. I actually think I'm gonna change it though. Lemme see if I have the one that I wrote down for like, my favorite is mm-hmm. From the lawnmower kill. Yes. It was the ticket line. The, yes. I changed my mind. I bought the tickets. You can come, because that literally I was gawing. Mm-hmm. But now that I think about it, I am going to have to say my favorite thing is just like that first opening minute mm-hmm. With milkshake. Mm-hmm. With a ma I'm going to camp. Mm-hmm. Ma arguably is the day I'm going to camp. Opening scene, ending scene. Both the same tone Yeah. Of like, camp, just ridiculousness. Ridiculous. Yeah. I just, I think what really gets me. Is the milkshake tattooed on the titties? I know it's, mm-hmm. It's so trashy, but it's like one of my favorite things I've seen. I just hope those are her real tattoos. Me too. Because otherwise it's less fun that it's like someone thought it up. Yeah, exactly. It's better being like, I'm sorry. I hope that they, you know, what I imagine is that like they're casting and they just like, have a lineup of girls, almost like a fucking, like, you know, like a kind of thing. Yeah. A police lineup and they have them all take off their shirts. Mm-hmm. And they're just like, Hmm, you, you, what was that? Say? Milkshake. Milkshake. You're in. Come on. You're trashy enough to be, you're in, you're, you look trashy enough to be an underprivileged child. In my classist fucking film, I will say the line that I hadn't mentioned that is probably one of my favorite lines, is, thank God there'll be one less idiot in politics. Yes. I Very good. Very good. Angela. Very good. Angela. Very good. Angela. Angela, very good. More of that, please, please. Thank God. All right. Final question. How dumb is this movie? In all senses of the word. It's very dumb. Very dumb. Whether you mean politically. Mm-hmm. Uh, campy. Mm-hmm. Ooh. Production value. Dumb. Yeah. Very. It's a vapid, a stupid ass movie. It's stupid. Worth a watch. Yes. But you're going to lose some brain cells. Yes. Yeah. There's, it's slop, peak slop. It is. I, I would say, classic, classic franchise. Yeah. Type shit. It's like the exactly. Classic third film in a franchise when you derail so completely, you're starting to go off into the gutter. We've truly lost the plot. Yeah. 'cause it's like, you know, you've shot yourself in the foot, it's gonna be the same person kills other people for two hours. Mm-hmm. You know, give or take. Just like, how do we engage with that and Yeah. And I think there's a reason that the past two have been like a tight 70 minutes because there just ain't much there to do. Mm-hmm. They're like, well, it's been a few minutes since we killed somebody. Yep. Better get Angela in on that. I feel like the only way to go from here would be to turn Angela into the protagonist. Mm-hmm. Give her a foil, give her somebody who's awful. Arguably also send her to space. I please. That is one of my favorite things from the late eighties and the early nineties. Uhhuh, I have two things. Two phenomena in, in horror Yeah. That I am so enamored of. Yeah. And I find I'm so tickled by one toxic waste as a plot device. I love, we gotta bring it back to, we need to bring back toxic waste. We do. Um, just casually in like metropolitan areas, whatever the case may be. Mm-hmm. I've like obsessed with it. Yes. Two horror franchises in space. Baby, I fucking love. What about, I love going to space. Yeah. Jason X people can say whatever they want about Jason X. Have you seen Jason X yet? Yeah. Jason X for me, massive success. I will take it. I don't think I'm in the minority there, but I will take it over Normie, like the first, like four, I will take it over Manhattan because that man, that movie baffles me. But I guess they couldn't call it Jason on a ferry. Yeah. To Manhattan. Mm-hmm. Uh, they also couldn't call it Jason goes for a swim. Nope. In he does that all the time in the Hudson. Like, I don't. What? Yeah, like, I don't know. So I will, I will take the space one because at least I'm like, yeah, he's got a career now. Yeah. Astronaut. Yeah. He's an good for inter dimensional. Inter dimensional, inter plainer being, well, that's the same thing. Why not? Why not? Uh, Jason takes Manhattan though. It doesn't include, it does, uh, include toxic waste, right? Yes. And it also, another one of my favorite tropes that we get The vaguely like the dream powers telepathic Dream power girl. Love that love. We shouldn't get on this boat type shit. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, but I more whim whimsical than like final destination. You know what mean? Yeah. Like when she's just like looking out the window and there's like a drowning child outside of it. It's like, oh yes. That type of shit. I eat that. That's true. And people are like, why is that happening? I'm like, don't tell me it doesn't matter. I don't need to know. Yeah. I don't need to know. They're just spicing it up. Yeah. Yeah. She's just now she's infinitely more Interestingly. Yeah. It's like, you know how sometimes she add paprika to your chicken? They added, they added telekinetic powers to this. Telekinetic powers are the paprika of horror films. Yes. So true. Carrie versus Jason baby. So true. Mm-hmm. I think, you know, I really do think. It would've performed better if, um, Schindler's List had ha had put, uh, powers into their main character. Yeah. You think so? Yeah. Dream Powers. Yeah, absolutely. Dream Powers. Dream powers. Schindler's List. Dream War. I only bring that back up because I mentioned it in the last one where you said, I can't believe you brought up of a normal movie Schindler's List. How do you take a normal movie and make it interesting? Put some paprika on it. Just a little, little bit. Something I don't know. Yes. Is it gonna hurt? And if that, if not that space, great space. First paprika, then space, then first comedy, then tragedy, first paprika, and then space.

Sign off and Farewell

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Yes. Beautiful. Well, on that note, Bowie, where can our listeners find you and a pineapple under the sea on Instagram? Begrudgingly. Begrudgingly. I am technically on there. I've, I think I've just been posting. The occasional, uh, art that I've been doing. I don't know. The, the self portrait that you posted was lovely. Thank you. yeah. I do Art. That's a, that's a thing. I'm trying to do more of that, um, does not involve my face or mm-hmm. Uh, brain power beyond, you know, just making something to make something. Yeah. For sure. So that's on my Instagram. And then the other place is my, uh, TikTok Beautiful. Which all my stuff is at knife presenting. Mm-hmm. Um, like femme presenting or mass presenting, but a knife. But a knife. Yeah. Absolutely. Mm-hmm. And you, dear Sweet listeners, can follow me crybaby at crying without the GN Public on Instagram. Mm-hmm. And of course, give horror icon a follow W-H-O-R-R-O-R Icon Pod. next up, uh, is, uh, I didn't queue this up actually. Is it, it's the fourth installment. What's it called? It's weird because the next one chronologically is return to Sleepaway Camp. That's right. And then, and then there's Sleepaway Camp four. So they're like doing like the Survivor, I think it's called. we will return to Sleepaway camp with you. Sure. Return to Sleepaway camp. You sure will. Um, I know zero about that movie. Absolutely nothing. I have no clue. So, um, cannot wait for that one. until then, cuties, were ready for this ride. Don't be scared unless you're into that sort of thing. Oh, bye.