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The Blue Jays - A Team That Inspired

Camilla & Ted Season 1 Episode 26

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Although they didn't win the World Series, the Blue Jays won our hearts.

A team that inspired us with their stories, their determination, and their grit. 

Camilla and Ted talk discussed what it means to be part of a team. 

How a team, and its leadership, can show their commitment and support through the highs and lows. 

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Welcome to another episode of From the Park Bench, where an artist and an athlete sit, observe, discover, and inspire the communities of arts and sports. Because we believe that arts and sports matter and play a huge role in shaping our youth. Will we connect? Will we collide? Will we achieve common ground on the topic today? Find out as we talk from the park bench.

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Good morning, Camilla.

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Good morning.

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How are you doing?

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Good, good. I'm always I just want to be, I just want to take a moment of appreciation. I'm always so grateful to be in this room. I'm I'm I'm grateful to come in here with you and with Matt and just this environment. Like it's what sometimes in my life is like chaotic with everything. And when I come in here, like it's always like, oh, we have to do this. And you know, like uh but but then when I come in here, I'm I'm so grateful for it.

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No, it is. It's like a little world unto itself. Because when I walk out here, I'm like, oh, I have work to do today. You know, it's yeah.

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And and do you feel refreshed when we walk down the hall? I do. Like, coming in or going out. Going out, re-energized.

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Aaron Ross Powell Yeah. I mean, often we're talking about the last episode that we recorded. So in some ways, yeah, yeah, for sure. It is a special space and you know, it's it's a fun little bubble to be in. It is. Yeah.

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And the connections that we make with people and the conversations that we have, I I just yeah, I'm just grateful for that.

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Yeah, same. Same. Can I can I also say yes, same? I'm I'm the same.

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Yes, of course you can, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not a competition. I'm just like I'm I'm just uh um stating my appreciation. Like you always want to start with an appreciation. So I just want to say I appreciate you, I appreciate the space, I appreciate Matt, and I just appreciate being able to do this.

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Aaron Powell All right. I appreciate uh it's not a competition. No, but I agree with you. I agree with you. So I have a little, you know, funny story. Not a funny story, just a st uh a story. And uh because that would have been a good segue into our episode, but I'm gonna chop it off. I'm gonna do this improperly. Okay.

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There is no right or wrong, Ted. Everything you say here is a very safe space.

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Aaron Ross Powell Exactly. Exactly. Good. Okay. So here's my thing, isn't this crazy? But um one of the things that uh I've noticed recently that kind of gets under my skin, and it reminds me of the conversation that we had um a number of episodes ago about people talking loudly on their phones. So a little pet peeve I have is when you get in line at a store, and I'm thinking about Dollarama. Everybody's been to Dollarama, and Dollarama has these sort of long empty spaces where um you file into after you're in line, right? So you're supposed to stay in the sort of cattle area in line, follow everybody, and then when it's your turn, you go.

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Okay.

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But there are some people that are so anxious just to get there and pay for their stuff, they kind of follow me to the counter. Oh, yeah. So that personal space, yeah, that's true. I'm just like please stand back there. Like 100%. It'll take you three seconds to get here. Just be a little patient. But but maybe it's more about personal space in general. When people are just in such a hurry to get something done, it just you know ticks me off a little bit. But do you find that? Like is it when you're in those spaces?

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Aaron Ross Powell, Jr. So I do, and I and I want to say something to that.

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Now was that you behind me?

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Okay, so this person, we'll call him Bob. Okay. Bob came up and and he didn't basically follow the unwritten rule. Like there is a rule that you're supposed to wait there. It's it's like in a drive-thru at Tim Hortons, right? You you let the other person like if you come in from the street, like you go, I go, you go, I go. It's it's not written anywhere, it's just an unwritten rule. So there's an unwritten rule to stay there and then wait when the cashier says cashier number two, and then you go to the cashier, right? So Bob didn't follow the rule, right? So in your mind, you're like, Bob's rude, right? Bob's behind me, he's in my space, Bob is rude. Now, if you were to turn around and say, Hey, Bob, like go back to where you were. Bob would be like, Ted, what's your problem? You're rude. And then you're like, You think I'm rude? Like, you're rude. So these are the things like, what do you do in that moment? Do you communicate? Because you would come off like a person that's rude, but in your mind, he's rude.

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Yeah, yeah. I mean, of course I would never say that.

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But why not?

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Because it's not that important. It's just a thing that But shouldn't Bob learn?

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Like, isn't it more like a learning moment? Like maybe Bob.

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I mean, he we need to speak to him. No, I think it's but it's just the way people do it, right? Some people are in such a rush. Yes. And then they follow you, and then the cashier, you know, three or four down opens up, but what are they gonna do now?

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Like someone is just no, you know what? It it is it is a pet peeve. Like he was in your personal space. Yeah. And and good for you for not saying anything. Like, do we say something? You know, it's not worth it. It's it's that's the Teflon part of it. You're gonna have things, you know, throughout the day where things like erupt you or just get under your skin and and it it's that it's that just let it go teflon approach.

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But Bob, if you're listening, you know. We don't mean anything by this. We would really appreciate if you would just wait your turn.

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Or just in general, everybody know that don't go to the cashier until the cashier says, cashier number two, please. Winners does it best, or when they have the light, like you really need to be.

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Yeah, you have to wait exactly. So it's Dollarama's problem. That's what I'm saying.

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It is Dollarama. Yes, yes.

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Who should be a sponsor of this episode, by the way?

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Yes, Dollarama, yeah. If if we want, we can get yeah.

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Yeah.

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Okay. So that was uh yeah, my bigger I love that.

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That was a rant. Well, well, good for you for being the bigger person. And uh you are um validating your um your feelings of being like cramped in your space and and and bothered.

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Yeah, it's a small thing, but I thought it was worth talking about. It's filled some time, and this is amazing.

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It's not just a time filler, it's it's how you feel and exactly.

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It's it's the emotional part of my being, and I really need to express that in this space, safe space that we're in. Okay. So on to the episode. Onto the episode. Yep. Perfect segue. So I mean, there we're recording this, um, so you're gonna hear this is gonna be probably a couple weeks after it's happened uh at least. But uh the big Blue Jays uh run came to a sad end for all of us Blue Jays fans. Uh but what a great ride that was to just be a part of it. I mean, I have I mean, I I think I've mentioned a number of times, I'm a huge baseball fan. I love baseball, I play baseball. I went to the World Series in '92, '93, and uh loved loved sports. And I've kind of been out of it for a number of years, just not really focusing. Like life takes over, you're not doing the things. But I did get pulled back in, and I love this team. Like these guys are amazing. So it was it was quite a ride, and it was disappointing to lose, but um but yeah, it's more than just obviously um winning and losing, but uh because sports often is boiled down to that. But but these guys were just such a joy to watch. Like you really not just pulled for them, like it felt like you were on the team. It was really cool. What were your feelings about the whole thing?

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Well, I um I don't watch sports, yeah. Right. Yeah. And and I am one of those bandwagoners, right? That like maybe and and sometimes uh a fan would be like, oh, you you're just here, like, you know, you're like, and and that's true.

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There were a lot of them this time.

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Yes, there were a lot of them. And so I got sucked in to um to the energy and the hype, and I was in it. And this time, more than in 9293, yeah. I remember 9293, I didn't even pay attention. Everyone's like, let's get in the car and go to Toronto. I'm like, okay. I didn't I wasn't even watching the game. This time I watched the game. Yeah, I really paid attention. I was looking at everything, and the whole bring it home, bring it home was everywhere. So, from a marketing perspective, I mean, they did a fantastic job. And it wasn't just a marketing to sell, it was just that feeling, that energy trickled out coast to coast.

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It did.

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Their commercials beforehand, Eugene Levy doing the voiceover. Then they had like the weekend doing the voiceover. And I I'm I'm getting chills right now. Like it really, it united the country coast to coast to coast. Like it was, it was I everything about it was so fantastic. Like, like I was in it. I was in there emotionally. I was like crying, laughing, stressed. I felt it all. I felt like I was part of it, even though I don't watch baseball.

SPEAKER_01

So why do you think that is? Because you're not, you know, spoiler alert, you're not a huge sports uh viewer. But what do you think? What pulled, I mean, you've mentioned a few things, but what really made you think of it?

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Like and and we had this discussion before with some some other people that like non-baseballers. And I think it was the storytelling. I got to know all the players. You know, like there was one player on the Dodgers team that he had a personal matter, so he wasn't playing. And then they all had his number. It was beautiful. Like, and and then they did like little um exposes on on some of the players and just about them. And there was one player, he he had an empathetic. What was his name? He was the one that did the the slider. He kind of has a mulberry.

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Bernie Clement. Yes, Clement.

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Oh my gosh. His face, like he's such a solid guy. You can see it in his face. He even went up to one of the broadcasters, was really stressed because it was he's like, Are you okay? Right. He said to her, Are you okay? I know. What a guy.

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I know, I know.

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So it's the storytelling, it's the people, it's the emotion. I was just, I was in it. I was, I wanted to see it. I was stressed, and I was experiencing it with loved ones too. So it was a moment that we had together, and it was something to talk about. And honestly, there's a void.

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100%. It's I want to, there's another question I want to ask you, but but I I felt the same thing, but from a different perspective. Because I've watched plenty of, you know, pro sports, championships, Stanley Cups went a World Series. But this one did feel different. And I think back to 9293, and I love that team. I love those guys. Great memories watching along the ride here, just thinking back. But this was different. And it it's hard to, I think the reason you mentioned, because they always tell stories. There's always interviews, you always learn about the players. But these guys just seemed different. It just seemed like there was no ego. No. And I think it was from their manager on down. He was just uh I I read something that said he didn't have a single team meeting all year because the team just knew what he expected. Like John Schneider. I think it's John Schneider. No, that's that's the what's the manager's name? I can't. That's terrible. I should know. But but he's amazing. Not enough for me to know.

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Well, there was there was a lot of people that that that like I didn't know before, but now I know, and I even forget their name, but it's not a not their name. It's how you're not gonna be able to do that. Yeah, no, no, exactly. Exactly. But but I feel like the team itself, and you what when you're in a team, whether it's sports or or in an office situation, and the group of people that you're around, you are you you've been united for a reason, for a circumstance. All those all those players got drafted to that team and they all mesh together. You don't necessarily have to be best friends. You may not even like the people. Yeah. Same with an opposite situation. Yeah. But I think with the Jays, with this particular team, and they and they were saying it all along, they were all really good friends. Yeah. Like they were close. And maybe that's the difference, is that you you don't know when that's going to happen. And that's that special something that we all felt, or there was a there was an energy. When they showed Roger Center all blue, yeah, and then and then you seen the crowd in there and and and just those commercials that they had, although I was bought into it. Yeah, I don't know. It just I I felt it.

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And it was genuine too, the the stuff that players were saying at the end. You know, it wasn't sound buddy, it wasn't uh sports cliche. It was how many times and I hear this more in sport now, but the guys say, I love the guys on this team. Like it it was real. Like it was not, it didn't come across as as that to me. Like I have one quote here, just want to say, so uh Bo Bichette, who we're hoping come back who comes back next year, he's like, Oh, yeah, yeah. I wish we could have wanted to get together. I wish we could have shared that moment together, but just to share the moment with everybody is so special, even though they lost, which was amazing. I know. And I heard one, I think the gal you were talking about that had her arm, I can't remember her name either, City TV Girl.

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Yeah.

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She had said that she can't recall, I believe she said it, that the team stayed in the dressing room for hours afterwards. They didn't want to leave. And they just lost the World Series. It's crazy.

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It is, I know. Oh, there like, yeah, n it it's not about winning and losing, and and we'll kind of get to that too.

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Yeah.

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But um, oh, there was something that you said that I wanted to touch on. And and oh, what makes it different? Like why we felt it, and I think maybe the sport itself. So one thing that I was talking to someone about this was in hockey, they're kind of um suited up, right? You don't like it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And and and it's maybe it's cold, and I don't know, but I I don't feel as connected to to a hockey player, like even watching it on TV.

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Yeah.

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And and same with like basketball is kind of flashy. It feels like it's you know, just kind of untouchable, but there's something very grounded and approached. These are these look like just people off the street. Like, even look, I know it sounds horrible, but their physiques, like, do you know what I'm saying? They they just look like average Joe's.

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Yeah, like Alejandro Kirk and Z.

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Yeah, just like people. And I think that's what makes it so like connectable, is that you see these tall, massive basketball players in their fit and a hockey player. But these are just like, I'm coming out and I'm just I don't have much on. You know what I mean?

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Yeah, no, a hundred percent. And I think that these guys were they felt Canadian. Most of them, or if not all of them, were not Canadian players. Yeah. But it felt like a very Canadian, stereotypical, stereotypically Canadian moment. They were just like the just the whole thing. They just they just really represented Canada. And they talked about that a lot too, that they were proud to represent the country. Yeah. And I think that was real. I don't think they were just saying it.

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It's just a special moment. It was genuine, authentic. And and the winning and not winning, one of the things with that quote was I think one of the, I think it was the picture that said, I lost the World Series. Yeah. No way. No way, Jose. Like one person dropping the ball, one person not doing anything, you are there as a team. So just Brene Brown um is always talks about blame, like pointing the fingers. And when something happens, you want to blame someone. It's almost like an energy and a feeling. It's um simply put, it's like a discharge of that uncomfort and pain. I need to put blame on some, I need to put blame on someone to make this make sense.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And in a situation like that, or in any situation, when there are a ball does drop, you want to be like, who did it? Yeah, who's responsible? And the fact that he said that, you know, he made there's mistakes happen. People are people are people. I mean, you're under such stress. You're gonna like things just happen. But you're a team. And it's not one person that that dropped the ball.

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Yeah.

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It's it's a collective.

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Yeah. And I think after that moment too, I read that um, because to be honest, when the game was over, I can't watch the celebration with the way. I just for me, I just have to turn the page. But I was I enjoyed watching it later. But um but I'd heard that Vladdy immediately hugged him or said, basically saying, it's not you, man. Like it's the whole team. And I think the whole team feels that way. And again, that's very Canadian to me. Like I think it's not exclusively Canadian, but it feels that way. But in contrast to that, so this is why you know it's a game. And the best team did win. The Dodgers scored more runs, of course, they win the game. But they're the one of the pitchers on their team, Blake Snell, was the opposite of what you just said about Jeff Hoffman. Because the previous, he's a really uh good pitcher, and the Jays beat him twice. And after the first time, they were interviewing him and he was saying, Well, they got lucky, or like he was he was not taking any responsibility. It just felt especially in the face of the blue Jays, it just felt icky. It's like, come on, man. They just just say it was your fault. You made a mistake. It happens. He just could not. So it really, in contrast, really made w who the Jays were even more amazing.

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Yeah, like the people, the leadership, like it's a team just like you you see in the workplace. Like it's it's it's the leaders, it's the camaraderie, it's the transparency, it's the authenticity. It's it's all of that that makes a good culture. And and that is what like that container. Yeah, go ahead.

SPEAKER_01

And I know I was thinking when you were saying that too, about how it's similar to work. In baseball, they play every day. A couple of off days, but they're going to work every day. So maybe that's what the playoffs does too, because they had to have a travel day, go to east-west coast. But in hockey, there's more days off. In basketball, there's many more days off during the playoffs. But in baseball, it's every day. Put your work boots on and get to work. And that's what this team was. So maybe that's part of the reason why people felt connected for all the reasons, one of the reasons. But yeah, that really I thought about that.

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And and from a leadership perspective and and from a creating uh like like a culture of safety, you know, people often use like you you even kind of mocked it, like the the term safe space, you know, yes, I'm creating a safe space. But there is something to that. It's real.

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Yeah.

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Creating a culture of of acceptance and authenticity can work in corporate, in where where stakes are high. Baseball is a m like talk about a business. Yeah, stakes are high. Yeah, stakes are high to win. Stakes are like there's money attached to it. You talk about corporate cutthroat, sports is the same way, it's still cutthroat. So, so empathy and authenticity can exist in those situations. Corporate, you you have to be a certain way in business. Like you can't be empathetic, you can't be a leader that shows emotion and transparency. That's not true. You can. Where stakes are high, you can still be uh like that that good human.

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Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It's um it's interesting too because you know, if you play pro sports or kids that dream of playing playing pro sports, you want to win the World Series or the Stanley Cup. So for them to be that close and not win, and pivot almost immediately to the fact that they're it was a team they just wanted to be a part of. Like Ernie Ernie Clement says it's the best year I've ever played in sport. Like I I'm gonna miss these guys. I know. Right after losing the thing that he probably dreamt his whole life about. It's crazy. It is. It's crazy. And I think that's where sports is definitely you know, is it's whether, you know, for better or for worse, it's the sole focus. You just want to be a champion. You just but and and one of the things I thought about too is the one of the common quotes is of in whatever they say, that no one ever remembers who finished second, which is probably still true. Yeah.

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I guess we're emotional, but it's that's not true in this case.

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But people are it probably still is because when they but I I I thought what you just said. Yeah, and then I thought more about it. It's probably still true. They're gonna remember the Dodgers one, but Canadians will certainly remember this. They will remember this one.

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And and and what it gifted us, there was um a love of the game. And I even want to say romance. There's um so fever pitch. So I I was uh I I referenced that movie because uh there's there's so many similarities to it and and like a synergy amongst it because it there's like superstitions, yeah, stats, and and just a love, this this romance and love of the game. And I think what it gifted us was we all came together for this love of the game, those that have been there the whole time and those that have just come in, like us bandwagoners, but we all came together and there was this united love for something wonderful.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. I mean, it it's it's it is sort of lightning in a bottle. It was pretty incredible. And and having been a lifelong sports fan and baseball fan and blue jays fan, it's interesting to be a part of it and think about it from different perspectives too, because I personally my favorite sport is baseball. Like I love lots of sports, but I can watch any two teams play baseball. So so I have a a love for it. So to kind of see it happen and what all went on, it was even more not that I'm winning this one, Kamala, but it but it was it was more I just felt it. It was just so good to watch the game. I didn't I mean I cared who won.

SPEAKER_02

So from a relationship perspective, were you a little jealous? Like were you like, hey, this is my sport. I've been here all along. Or was it like, isn't this awesome, right? Isn't this amazing?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I think it's great when people do kind of latch on and see how wonderful the sport is. But um Yeah, no, and I think too, like when we kind of bring back to kids and and sports, there are gonna be a lot of kids playing baseball now that didn't want to play before, didn't even know about it. Like I grew up in the 80s and I feel like I like baseball because I like baseball, but maybe the Blue Jays had a part to do with that because I wanted to be Mark Icorn, like I said in a previous episode. So so you do want to emulate and be them. So there I think they're gonna be a big boom, like the baseball baby boom. Yeah. Um there's gonna be a lot of people playing baseball, I'm certain of it, after this for sure. Aaron Ross Powell, Jr.

SPEAKER_02

I mean I don't think I'm gonna pick it up, but I can see No, but but you you are but I I know I I I see what you're saying like.

SPEAKER_01

Maybe you want to go to a Blue Jays game.

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Yes, I think I do. I think I do want to. Yeah. But but there was something that that it was yeah, there was just it was a wonderful time, and and and the next day I I I did I did feel empty. So I'm glad it happened. It it sucked that they lost sucks that they lost, but at the same time, it was just a wonderful experience.

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It was it was definitely a gift that They gave us and with all the stuff that's going on in the world, it probably make it e made it even more special just to have that wonderful thing to watch alive, a real thing that's happening as opposed to the other distractions that are going on in the world right now. So it was wonderful.

SPEAKER_02

Um Matt, do you have anything you wanted to add?

SPEAKER_00

I was I'm definitely like uh bandwagoning this season for sure. Um I was not really a big baseball fan. I lived in Toronto for three years, uh like 2008. And we used to go to games, um, but it was more about you know, a day out in the sunshine and having beer and and rather than actually paying close attention to what was happening. And it wasn't until I went to a baseball game with like a really big fan that I kind of got it. Um it we got really great seats. We were like five rows from the field right in in front of third base, and this is before they had the the net, so we were like prime foul ball territory. And like this guy knew so much about baseball. We'd be we'd be talking, having a conversation. Someone knew would come up to bat and he'd say, Hold on, and he'd put his glove on, and then the ball, he'd hit the ball right to us. Really? Like he he knew he was like, Well, that guy with that pitcher, and like, oh yeah, the foul's coming to us. And and that's the cool like I really found that neat about baseball. Like the there's uh like statistics and and there's a lot to really sink your teeth into about the strategy and the game, and and it it was that game that that I kind of got it, and I became more of a fan after that. Um, and then this run with the Jays just kind of sealed it. Um I was in Toronto last week. Um, and so being in in the city too, the buzz, everybody was talking about it, every Uber I took, we were talking about it. Every restaurant I went to, we were talking about it. It the the day after the what was it? Was it game five that went to like three in the morning?

SPEAKER_02

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00

Game four. Yeah, so it was like the the day after that. Um it was like the whole thing. It was game three, actually. It was the first game in LA. Oh yeah, yeah. It was in LA, that's right. Yeah, yeah. In LA. And the entire city was tired. Like everyone you met was like, oh, coffee. Were you up for the game? Yeah, I was up for the game. Like it was such a a moment, you know, that everybody, everybody was a part of. And and I think that's what makes these these runs special, is is it's a coming together, it's a it's a shared experience that that the whole city and and really the whole country was a part of. Um and yeah, I think that's really special.

SPEAKER_02

No, you so true. Like it it united us, but every to your point, everybody was affected. Halloween was affected. Dates, like, like people going out for dinner, that was affected. Because they're like, is there a TV screen here? Yeah. Businesses were effective. People were lining up at 1 p.m. in in restaurants in Toronto to like lining up to be able to watch the game there that night.

SPEAKER_01

Well, Roger Center was opened for the three games in LA, and it was mostly I mean, probably full, but which is amazing. So they watched it on the screen.

SPEAKER_02

It's uh they're watching on the screen, and they were sleeping at Union because the train stopped. And and it because it went later, people were actually sleeping in the station because they couldn't get home. Like it affected people's lives. And that is just so cool how you can come together for something so great. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_01

It's it's more than baseball, though.

SPEAKER_02

It is, yeah. It's bigger than us. So yeah. But uh, but yeah, we would love to hear um if anyone has any um experiences or or any thoughts to share about the World Series.

SPEAKER_01

Well, one thing I would like to say too, because as Matt was talking, I thought about I have lots of baseball memories, but where he talked about where he was sitting. I remember one time I skipped class, sorry, high school teachers, uh, and went down to the Blue Jays game and just bought a ticket that day, sat by myself with the my headphones on, listening to Tom and Jerry, the old announcers, and it was amazing. It was behind home plate. It was amazing. But I would love, I mean, that's very specific to not World Series, but everybody has a sports moment like that, and maybe to the theme of baseball. Yes.

SPEAKER_02

If you want to share those, that would be Yeah, we would love to hear it. Um, from theparkbench.ca, you can send us a message there. Um and yeah, let us know what you think of the episode and what you thought of that wonderful time that we all got to experience together. So thank you, Matt. Thank you, Ted, and thank you everyone for listening and chat soon from the park bench.