Gossip Session: Newbies

This week, we're getting into all the newbies from your favorite housewives shows.
On Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, we unpack Britani's fairytale fantasies and Bronwyn’s unexpected reunion with her daughters' grandparents. Over in Potomac, we can’t get enough of Stacey’s hilariously enthusiastic reaction to her bunk-bed setup on the cast trip. And on RHONY, we’re thrilled by the fresh energy Raquel brings, though we can't help but wonder: what's still missing from the mix? Get ready for all the latest tea from the Bravoverse in this #chaotic episode! 

Check out Sam on Deep Dive with Jamie Stein covering Tamra Judge's Autism "Diagnosis": 
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tamra-judges-autism-diagnosis-w-sam-katz/id1562015854?i=1000675210688

Chapters

• 3:15 Britani from RHOSLC
• 19:09 Bronwyn RHOSLC
• 39:34 Mia's new friends
• 42:32 Stacey from RHOP
• 46:42 Giselle's shift from RHOP
• 49:12 Karen's DUI
• 54:35 Racquel on RHONY
• 58:26 Ubah and Brynn
• 1:02:17 RHOC
• 1:04:33 End of Vanderpump Rules
• 1:09:04 Prayer to get you through the week

Transcript

00:00:29 Unknown: Today we are doing a hashtag chaos episode. Come with us on a journey of I kind of feel like it should be like a newbies journey. That's when we were talking about doing this gossip sesh. I feel like newbies may be a nice thing to talk about because we've got, you know, three or four Bravo shows playing out right now, all with like these interesting newbies that might be too hard to go into one of them fully, but like might be cool to talk about each of them or some of them. Yeah, I think it was time to take a break from the format and do another gossip session. So, yeah, let's just dove in Salt Lake City has been airing for a few weeks now. There's a bunch of newbies. I don't even remember the one girl who's like Whitney's friend who showed up in the one episode and then we've not seen her again. Well, she they were kind of like testing out new people to see who had story, who made sense. And it became clear sort of the the two that they wanted to follow, which were Britney and Braunwyn. Yeah, that's pretty typical from what I've heard in the production end of things is like they cast a lot of people and then as they're filming, they decide who the housewives are. So they often don't cast these women as friend or housewife. They decide, like either midway through or even in post-production after they shot everything. So, yeah, let's start with Britney. She's a friend of mine, although she's been getting a lot of airtime. Her journey is that she is still Mormon. She's divorced, but still Mormon, right? Well, I think she came in as Heather's friend. Right? Like she kind of came in as someone connected to Heather. Yeah. It seemed like she still had some attachment to Mormon roots. Is divorced and seems to be her story is about like finding love, finding romance, this sort of idealized version of, you know, Prince Charming fantasy fairy tale. I get the sense that she, like, has this idea of, like, what relationships should be that isn't necessarily grounded in, like what's real or possible, and then leads her to what seems to be like create these like different romantic dramedies for her. So currently we're seeing the one play out with The Osbournes, our first our first Salt Lake City Osmond appearance. And it's not any of the famous one. And no, it's the evil one. It's a see roll. OSMOND Yeah, I think it positions Heather in an interesting way after having done our episode on Heather. If you haven't listened to it, check it out and have you read her book because she's really like a voice of reason, a Britney. But it's interesting because I think she is in a good position to do that because she was Britney like reading her book, especially leading up to her marriage. She was definitely Britney like had that same mentality, understanding of marriage and like fantasy and romance. I think in the last episode she was like, This might sound harsh, but you got to stop, girl. And also, Britney doesn't have a good relationship with her two daughters. I guess she's like on the outs with them. Do you remember how old she said they were? They were older, though, right? Remember? Yeah, I can't remember. I think what you're saying is really interesting, because I think Lisa is the one who in her confessional kind of gives this like hot take that she thinks. And I think this kind of leads back to our Heather episode as well. She she says that she thinks like maybe this whole thing that Britney is doing is part of like the way she's internalized, like patriarchal views based on Mormon religions, which was really interesting to me for Lisa to say, because I think we don't really get Lisa ever being critical of Mormonism. And this felt like a moment where she was admitting that, like there is this expectation that Mormonism puts on women that like their role is to find husbands and that should be like their main goal and the driving force for them. And we see that with Britney. It does feel like her driving force is finding this like fairytale man and that like, that's the thing that's going to make her happy as a man. And so I thought it was really interesting that Lisa was the one that was naming that, because I just think she like is very unlikely to be critical of Mormonism. Yeah. Lisa continues to fascinate me in that aspect where I'm like, I don't understand. And anything about Lisa's religion or her take on religion or Mormonism because is like doesn't fit in with anything that's traditional. But she claims to be and I'm kind of jumping around. But what I found was interesting was just to get into Bronwyn, you know, the whole dynamic of her knowing. Bronwyn Daughters, parents, let's pin that because I want to like go into that really deeply. I want to separate it first though. Okay, so, but yeah, but just to touch on it like it was very interesting because it seems like she's very steeped in the whole Mormon religion and the whole community, which I was like, Oh, okay. Like sometimes with her, I'm like, it doesn't seem like she goes to temple. She doesn't really wear garments. She drinks like we've seen her drink. She has an alcohol brand like it. None of it makes any sense. And even I think when her son went to mission, you could tell even her son was kind of like, yeah, you know, you do the fake Mormon thing, mom, but I'm like, why does she get away with it? And nobody else does. Sometimes I just don't understand that whole dynamic, really. Right. There's something we're not we're not being told about, like what's really going on there, because there is a way that she is not following the rules but is still considered a good enough Mormon. And it's unclear why that is. And I think it's what makes Lisa so unrelatable is that like, you know, she holds Mormonism in this high regard but then doesn't actually follow the rules and then we're supposed to like it makes it confusing for me, at least as a viewer, to be like, well, I it to me it feels like you're presenting something very false or fake to me that I can't connect with you around. Yeah, I know there's a lot of Lisa Stans and like, I want to stand her because she does have good lines and like sometimes good takes. But I don't know, every season I go in like wanting to give Lisa the benefit of the doubt. And she just seems to spiral out every season where I'm like, I, I don't get it. Well, yeah, actually, the things people really like about her is how willing she is to just kind of, like, make fun of herself Like, when she sings, like, we're all poor. Like, she's like, I'm so good, and, like, she clearly knows she's not, like, a good singer. And we all know it, but we love it because we love that she's willing to, like, put that out there in that way. That's so funny and relatable. But then when we bring the religion of it all in, it just like creates such a wall for me. Definitely. And she's definitely like both concerned about what people think of her. I mean, I liked how she treated Britney just to get back to Britney in that Milwaukee check trip where she's like, text him and say he's a jerk. And then when Britney came in, like, yelled at her for ruining her relationship with Jared, I was just like, Oh, girl, you write that. You write it. And then, oh, my gosh, when Jared shows up to the the Mafia party, I am starting to understand why Angie is center snowflake, even though I'm pretty sure they just did it to mess with us. Angie is kind of bringing the season together in an interesting way. I think the Mafia party was like, I mean, it being her anniversary didn't really make sense, but otherwise I was all about it. But yeah, Jared Walking into that party and her crying, as Heather says, is a war widow was classic housewives to me. And it's interesting, like the dynamics of it all, because it was like Whitney and Justin who invited him to come clearly like them knowing this was going to cause Britney to freak out or have some kind of reaction and to me speaks to like some feeling I have about Whitney wanting to, like, play this role of, like, instigating people or getting them to react, but then being able to, like, hide behind things. And we see this even like in, like her coming in and being the truth teller and being like, I know this is going on, but it's their fault. And it's like, well, you're actually the one bringing it to camera. So like, it's such a deflection. And this fell almost like part of it because I think Whitney was getting a lot of heat and they're sort of like, well, look at that crazy person over there. Look at this person who's causing more drama so you don't have to like, look at where I'm stirring up things or where I'm accountable for things. I mean, I give Whitney a pass in some ways of that because she makes great story happen. But yeah, even in the aftershow, they were like, Oh, Jared already had his alpha in. Like he was going to come regardless. I was like, No, Justin was so messy, inviting him to the party when she was there with another guy. Like, there is no way to justify that. But yeah, I mean, I feel that way about the whole Whitney prism Alibaba, which Alibaba is a moment this season. I mean, I have never seen it. It's like the Chinese version of Amazon, but the side by side of the two pictures being identical and how they show it every time it comes up is freaking hilarious to me. And I think at this point, Whitney admitted, like without admitting that, of course she gets her she gets her jewelry from Alibaba. That's like what it is. it costs $0.02 to make and she charges $50 for a necklace like and what's crazy to me is like, if that was coming out again, this was like 1 to 1, like reality TV producing. If that was coming out and it was hurting my business, you better believe I would be not talking about it. I'd be squashing it, I wouldn't be doing anything. So there is a grain of truth to me with Lisa Barlow being like, You just want people to feel sorry for you. So they buy your hair like necklace because like, why are you talking about it? Because every time you talk about it, they show the side by side and it makes it more and more obvious that you buy your jewelry from Alibaba. But yeah, I mean, I don't know if Lisa Barlow tipped off the blogger or not. I mean, didn't Monica get fired for doing stuff like that? And now they're still doing it? Like what? This seems to be a big thing in Salt Lake where they want to bring in a lot of these, like outside sources of social media, podcasts, things that don't happen like you say, like on the screen, and use that to create drama with each other, which to me can be a little exhausting. It can be because I mean, obviously it produced an amazing scene in that mafia party. But I'm also like, I'm on Whitney side that like, why is Lisa reacting that way if she didn't do anything wrong? But then Lisa always going to react that way no matter what. And I also don't see why Lisa Barlow would have a motivation to do that. So I was kind of like, Hey, well, to me it comes down to this place for Lisa around like religion and good versus bad, where it's sort of like, well, if you're going to tell me there's something bad about me and I don't have a reaction or defend myself, then I'm accepting that I'm bad. And I think that's really intolerable for her to sit in like the gray area of actually like, no, if you didn't do anything, if you didn't do something, you don't need to prove to somebody that you didn't do it. You know, like you can just trust yourself. And I, I don't know that she has that, like, compass in her that can, like, tolerate like that. Like, I can't have this or I don't need to have this reaction. MM. And like the whole Angie and Lisa Barlow being on the phone all the time and she made the comment about Lisa's son always playing video games or whatever. I mean, Mary said in the aftershow, she was like, I didn't think that that was calling her a bad parent. And I could see where it came off that way. It was definitely coded in something to get a reaction out of. Lisa Well, I guess like if you're comparing like my kid doesn't do that, then there's something you're saying of like me and Mike, I'm a better parent. Like, even if you're not saying it, you're saying it. I just felt like. The whole point of it was that Angie was saying, like, Lisa calls me all day, every day. And to me, that reminded me of Shannon Beador, like energy vampire and like it's constantly strategizing, constantly figuring out how we're going to handle this, how it not's a part of Lisa, where I'm like, Can you just chill? Can you chill? I don't think she can. I don't think that's like her energy at all, like. And I think that's probably part of how she, like, stay so finished. She just has, like, all this energy. And it's like, even if she's not moving, like, all of the things inside of her are still moving and reactive. And so she's constantly like burning calories even when she's, like sitting, eating fast food because she's just got like all this, like, anxious energy that, like, it can't it's like bursting at the seams and her. Yeah. Which I do want to mention. Our new mission to get a sponsorship to go to Bravocon from Wendy's. Frosties, get yours. Yeah, get your frosty. Lisa Barlow We love your addiction to Wendy's. I, I'm like, I am too scared to go to a drive thru because I lived in New York for 14 years and going through the drive thru just feels like so many things could go wrong and I could just embarrass myself. For some reason. It's one of my irrational fear, but I'm thinking for our Wendy's sponsorship, I'm going to go through a drive thru for the first time. I love that we have a year till bravo. God. So yeah, I mean, face your fears. Yeah. If you guys want to see us at Bravo, God, you know, follow us on Instagram so we can get that sponsorship. So, yeah. Anything else about Britney? I like her in the sense that I do think she's like bringing things. But I think when I think about her as a person, I just get this very icky feeling around like the way she like, centers men and perfection and fairytales. And it makes it very hard for me to feel any connection or like see any of myself in her. And to me, I know I've been telling you this, Jenny, a lot about how she very much reminds me of Sheena, the way she like centers men in the way like it feels like all of her energy is about getting male validation, and it can be interesting to watch, but it touches something very icky for me that makes me want to be like, No, get away. Like, there's something about you that I don't trust. I think that, like, you would throw me under a bus for a man and like it very much like that kind of girl is a very hard girl for me to connect with. And you saw her do that with Lisa Barlow, right? Because as soon as she got back or in some kind of good graces with Jared, she was like, Lisa, you caused all this? And she's like, Yeah, I was really opposite. I think maybe because I grew up a little bit more like fantasizing about romcoms and stuff. So as much as I see that as toxic, it's more something I can like relate to in a sad, like, Oh, I hope this girl has a journey and I like what her do but I also just love the mess. Like the mess that she brings is like even her at that first trip when she's like, I need to announce to everyone I am now official with Jared and like Mary being like, Who are you? Who is Mary is the MVP. When she went up to her date and was like, Hijiri, yes, Mary, we finally are getting this side of you that I feel like that I want. Yeah, I have to give kudos to producers because like I said, there was so many things that I was like, why is Angie Center Snowflake Why is Mary Full Housewife, even though she's not even in the opening that they shot? But as the season goes, I'm like, okay, I see it like, Mary is carrying something that she hasn't carried her whole time on Salt Lake City, like a voice of reason that I would never have expected from her. I think it has to do with her and Robert Senior separating. They haven't said anything like that, right? I don't know. But I feel like they have. I mean, it's wild that that's like not addressed at all because it doesn't need to be because we feel it in her energy. Yeah. Freedom. Well, I almost feel like we're. They ever together. Almost. Because. Didn't she say he always, like, lived separately? Kind of. They had the guise of being together and it feels like that's been, like, lifted. Like, they don't need to, like, prove that they're together anymore. I don't know. That's the sense I get from it. And maybe it's some like unconscious thing I'm connected to in her that like, there's this sense that she's like cut the cord with him and that's given her a sense of, like, freedom. Oh, I totally agree. Because in the aftershow, she said something about like a good husband. Wouldn't, you know, just validate what you think they would call you out if you were wrong or something like that? And I was like, Are you still married? Like, where is your husband? What is your marriage like? So that brings us to our next newbie, Braunwyn, which she spells it differently than the other braunwyn we've had. So I've been spelling her name on taxes, brown wine, because it's just easier. Well, I feel like the first episode I was, I was very hesitant about her. And then slowly I think she kind of won me over. I agree. I think the interactions with Heather has been hit or miss for me and I feel like she is very direct. I think she kind of can be a voice of reason sometimes. She like slips into that. Heather Dubrow Condescending tone. But other times in the aftershow, I think she did a better job explaining the whole situation with Heather than she did actually in the show. I don't know, like I'm rooting for her, but those first couple episodes I was like, Oh, this is just another fashion girl that's going to be trying too hard I don't know. But should we get into the daughter storyline? Yeah, I think that's the interesting. That's to me what made me really start to like connect and be interested and excited about her. So I guess at the airport, she's with Lisa. They're on their way back from Wisconsin. Correct? Milwaukee, Milwaukee, wherever they were. I'm sorry, middle of America. I apologize. It is all very unclear for me, but they're on their way back in in the airport. She's Lisa says, oh, your daughter really looks like you two to Braunwyn. And Brian was like, No, she looks like her father. And just kind of like quickly shows a picture of the father and Lisa's like, Oh my God, I know the parents. And then we get this like store had we gotten the story before. But I don't remember if we got it before, but we get the story about like what had happened with her daughter's father and how when she got pregnant in college, they kind of made they like made them break up. She went away. They refused to let him have a relationship with her. Am I getting those facts right? Yeah. I think the producers did a really good job of revealing the story because she when we meet her, we learn that she has this daughter that she's had out of wedlock when she was at what's the famous age and. Yeah, and she it threw her whole life into chaos and judgment, I guess. She grew up Mormon as well. I mean. Right. And it seemed like it it was very like, okay, this is a part of my life. And and her daughter is not technically her husband's. It was sort of explaining that dynamic. But, you know, we didn't know how much that was going to be a storyline. And then, you know, then you get the whole story when Lisa does this reveal basically but that old. Yeah, I mean, Lisa gives a different version of the story than Braunwyn in the aftershow. She says that the parents told her that they thought she miscarried and that after the show, I don't know if we mentioned that the father died, you know, shortly after, I guess Gwen was born. And then she said that the father's wife was trying to get hold of Braunwyn. So that's also confusing. At what point did he get married? There's so much that doesn't really track. I have a hard time trusting Lisa's version of this because from and I guess this is still like we're getting he said she said and there's something probably in the middle that is a truth that you know and everyone's truth is like whatever they want their truth to be in a moment. But what Braunwyn says is that, you know, so she goes home and talks to her daughter and her daughter reaches out to them. So clearly there's lines of communication, right? Because Lisa told Braunwyn that the grandparents were feeling really badly about this cut off and were really ready to reconnect. And so then Braunwyn goes home and tells her daughter, and then her daughter reaches out. And what happens is that, you know, the daughter receives a response back that felt a little chillier and didn't feel like they were really wanting to connect. They were like, if you're ready. And I guess the daughter kind of interpreted that of like, Oh, well, I've always been ready. You're the ones who are not ready. And so you say this makes it feel like you're putting something on me that isn't mine. And I so appreciate it for such a young person how like insightful and emotionally aware she was. And I don't know, I just I think that interaction with her and her daughter really made me connect with Braunwyn maybe connect with her daughter like this felt so real. It felt so filled with so many conflicting emotions for both of them. Like I could feel braunwyn conflict around. I want my daughter to have a relationship with these people and I resent and have this really negative association with these people. And that's such a conflict. And then the daughter also being like, I want to know my dad's family and have a relationship. And these are people who have rejected an abandoned me my entire life. And I just felt like that was holding those different emotions in such like a beautiful way. Her daughter is very emotionally mature. It did make me like her more just seeing how she handled it because she picked up on something that was very true. Like if they want to make a relationship with her, they need to make more of an effort. And for them to just put it on her, like, if you're ready, let us know, send us a text. It was like, no, like what you think was time. At least put it like wanting to make everything more flowery than it is. Like for Lisa to come and be like. They're sorry. They're really. It's like one. Is that your place? Like, should you be like. To me, it feels like you're overstepping some boundary here and then you're pretending things are better than they are. Which is like the person who gets hurt in that is the child, right? Like there's no one else that gets damaged by this but this. Like kid who made no choices and made no like, has no responsibility for this situation. And I feel like Lisa would have a really hard time taking accountability for that. And it feels very similar to her relationship with the religion of like, I'm going to put flowers on this thing that like is it there's a lot of people who get hurt by this thing and you putting flowers on it makes those people's hurt like invalid. And so it felt very similar to that. I could see where that would be. A rift in Lisa and Brown ones, which I think we saw in a preview for next episode that they are going to have some kind of conflict, but that that would put some rift between them because I agree, I felt like Lisa wasn't really holding space for Bron One's experience I liked how it came up so naturally. I think that's so rare on housewives and it's a good juxtaposition for what's going on with New York Housewives, where it's like this is a small, intimate community where these people know each other. They have a community, they have a church, they have a religion. They have so many intersecting things that it just makes the show flow so naturally in the storylines flow so naturally. Even like Justin texting Jared, whether or not that was messy or not, like he is friends with Jared and it shows up in like again, it just it didn't feel forced. Whereas sometimes I feel like everything on New York Housewives feels so force. I want to mention to like the newest episode. Our Braunwyn speaks with her husband about it, and I saw like Beach Therapist had written like he sort of cut her off from that conversation. I interpreted it a little bit differently. I think the conversation was having to hit a lot of different topics. The fact that establishing he comes in and out for work, setting up this big all cash trip and then getting into the conversation about the grandparents. I imagine that part of the conversations about the grandparents probably went on for like it could have gone on for half an hour for all we know or longer. And I just got the impression that the, you know, post-production staff was like, we need to wrap up the scene because he ends the conversation being like, we've talked about this enough. Like, you know how I feel. And I think best therapists, like pick that up as being like, you know, sort of shutting down the conversation. I kind of felt like it was like, okay, this conversation's gone on too long. And they found a good line to, like, end the scene. I don't know. I think it was true, though. It does feel like then they let it end with him saying that. And I think that does speak to something that his because it did feel like a very curt response from him. So whether that was like influenced by production or influenced by his own window of tolerance around like tolerating conversations about something like this that holds a lot of emotional weight in their relationship and his relationship with her daughter and all these different things like the way it came off to me is kind of similar. I felt similar to bish therapists around. They're like, Ooh, this felt like he hit some window of tolerance and needed to shut this down, but. Now, partially it's like not fully about him and it feels like him shutting it down made it about like what he could tolerate as opposed to like what Bronwyn and Gwen are going through. And yeah, we don't have enough information to know exactly what all that meant, but it felt like using that moment to close that scene out made it seem like there's a place where he, like, wants to shut something down that's emotional. And I think that's the interesting thing for the audience to like, because they could have easily just used a different line to end the scene. Right. Like I've worked on scenes where I'm like, this is the easiest like ending scene line that just like wraps up the scene. And I'm not putting like deeper thought into like what the meaning is. Whereas, like, you're only seeing so little of sometimes these conversations that we could have easily ended the scene with him saying, you know, I'm leave it in your hands, like do what you think is right. Would you have interpreted the whole scene differently? And, you know, so actually, that's why I'm like, I have meaning and they make us like make a stand because reality is really just giving us snippets of someone's life. We are making bigger assumptions about people's dynamics based on like what the produce producers are showing us. In some ways, that means us as an audience is putting a lot of trust in producers to show us what they like, what feels important for us to make those assumptions. So for them to show us the scene where he's like, okay, we're going to shut this down. Feels like they want us to, you know, see something about this relationship. And sometimes it is that and sometimes it's it's this is the easiest like to finish a scene. I got to be honest with you. That's what I'm like. It would be great if every day, all day I could every line pass and put together like the perfect thing to illustrate somebody's relationship. But sometimes it's like you don't have the time and luxury in the lines in the in the scene work to even do that. So, I mean, I think the overall thing I got from him was that he's very angry about the situation. He's very angry at the grandparents. He thinks that I think Braunwyn and the daughter is giving them more grace than they deserve. But I think for Braunwyn, she's like, If this is going to be better for my daughter, I'll give them the grace. I'll put my ego aside. And I think his concern was, I don't want Gwen to be hurt. And I think that came through regardless of what he said. I'm interested to see more of him in general, I always think like when there is such a significant age difference in a relationship that that equals some sort of power difference. And I guess that's why that scene where he's shutting down that conversation, felt powerful to me because it felt like, oh, he's already like older. He's already like the one who clearly, like, kind of came in to the relationship with, you know, the financial like I think she said she had a good job and had money but clearly he is like the breadwinner and the financial provider of the family. And that gives him a lot of power to say like what goes and what doesn't go. And so when we have the scene of him, like shutting down a conversation, we're like, oh, so he also takes on, like, emotional power in the relationship. And that could be true or could not lay out one scene. You know, we're having to, like, extrapolate a lot from what I've seen. And one last thing I want to mention was the amount of dog poop at her home was insane. Well, it's so interesting because to me, it speaks to like how we can put out this front of perfection. But underneath they're shit, literally. I like behind closed doors, there's going to be shit. You know, she's inviting Heather over to try to resolve whatever their, like, tension is that has been building since the first episode. And they're both kind of coming in with some demand of the other to apologize for their behavior. But neither of them think that they fully need to apologize. And so Braunwyn kind of goes like, I'm sorry and does this. It's like, what feels like a I'm sorry, but apology, I guess. I don't know that she actually says but but it's like, I'm sorry. And I'll say that because I want us to, like, be okay, as opposed to like, I'm sorry. And I actually can see that something I did has hurt or wounded you. And I don't know who needs to apologize because I think they both just like have built this tension and resentment towards each other for what's clearly like what I think is some like counter transference towards each other. Like they see something in the other person that isn't based on anything the other person is doing and more based on some like vulnerability and sensitivity in them that's being triggered by something about that person. And oh, got I feel like I'm speaking very manically. This is the chaos episode, though. But I feel like, yeah, they both kind of came in with this demand of an apology when I don't think either of them actually needed to. They could both just acknowledge that like, there's something in you that's triggering me, and I don't know what's going on. But then there's this demand. Neither of them meets the demand. You know, Heather makes says you're making me sing for my supper. Like, I have to apologize to come on this trip. And Braunwyn, like, kind of did I kind of agreed with her. I was like, yeah, she kind of is, like, expecting you to fall on a sword to be invited into a group. And like, you know, the underlying dynamic of that is they're going on a cast trip. And if Heather doesn't go right, like she doesn't get paid for those episodes that air where she might not be in them. And like it's a bigger thing than just like friends right now. It becomes money and career and like these things are seeped in, like really big things that aren't being said in the surface. And, you know, the scene ends with Heather walking away, which I do think is kind of Heather's coping mechanism of like something is intolerable and I don't want to look at it, so I'm going to walk away from it and not actually, like, deal with what's going on here, which like I do have some qualms with Heather about that being her mode of dealing with conflict. It was reminiscent of that scene last season with Whitney when they met. Yeah. No, I you know, I came into that wanting to be on Bronwen side because it did seem like she was making a genuine effort. But then I turned at some point. What I've always liked about Heather is she's like an every girl. Like she feels like a fan that got put on the show. And even on Ultimate Girls Trip, she was very much like, I can't believe I'm here with these other housewives. And I've seen a huge turn in her this season. And I don't know if it's, you know, her glow up with those mpic or you know, getting Monica off the show, which she totally did. I mean, her and Lisa banded together and made sure Monica didn't come back. And maybe that gave her a different kind of power dynamic, because sometimes with Braunwyn, I am seeing her being like, I'm OG and you're new and like, you should be giving me more deference. And I thought that was interesting because I haven't seen that kind of vibe from Heather ever. So that's been a little bit of a turn for me, but at the same time, she's not wrong in some ways. I also think another dynamic with the cast trip is it's a couples trip and Heather is the only one who's not in a couple, which I thought felt a little unfair and intentional. Right? Like I'm going to intentionally make this a couple's trip so that Heather can be like it makes sense for Heather to be excluded. And I mean, the whole fight is basically like you were gossiping, I was gossiping. And at some point, I don't know if this was the aftershow or because I watched the after shows yesterday. She is like, we all gossip. I was doing the same thing in the car. Heather was saying that and I was like, So why are you so mad at Braunwyn for doing it? But I think it's because she's like she's like, I would say that to Whitney's face, like I Whitney is my friend Braunwyn is not our friend yet. Like she hasn't earned this like ability to talk shit behind people's back, which is what we all do anyway. So it's kind of like she wanted to like haze her or something where she didn't see. I can kind of understand how there's like mistrust of new people after everything she went through, both with Monica and then I think like on top of that with like Jen, I think there's this way in which she's trying to be more guarded and like with Jen where she was, like, so loyal to a fault. Like, right. Like, could do no wrong. It's almost like she's overcompensating now, and that's creating, like, this icky thing between her and Braunwyn and, um, braunwyn. Then I think she admitted, I mean, even going to Angie and telling her that that was so convoluted and it's like, why didn't you just let, like, we used to already knew about this? So it's like, Yeah, Lisa was going to confront Angie anyways. So why did Braunwyn need to get involved in all of that? She's been doing some things that are messy, so like I see where Heather is coming from. I just wish like the whole scene had played out, like Braunwyn coming in and being like, you know, I came in too hot, like I was stirring the pot. And then you threw some comments that made me want to stir the pot even more. And we just need a fresh start. We need to like clean slate. I think Heather would have been more receptive to that. I think when it came to the whole apology thing, it was like apologies don't repair anything either. Like realistically change behaviors, repair things like, right. Well, apology can repair if it feels genuine and like a genuine apology is followed up by behavior. And I think like Heather handled this, handled the situation with Angie quite well because Angie said, I feel like you're a different standard for Lisa than me. And then Heather was like, Wow, let me take a step back. And I think about that. You'd never said that to me before. So I thought she did a good job with Angie handling that. So we'll see where they go. I, i it makes sense that Heather's not on this cast trip just because I wouldn't like seeing everyone with couples and heather not being a couple. I don't mind that sometimes people get excluded from trips or things when it just doesn't make sense. I think when it's forced, it's more of like, why? But we'll see how it plays out. I'm sure it's going to be a mess. Yeah, overall, I'm really liking this season and again, like I'd love to do a deeper dove into Mary one day. When, when, whenever you're ready. Oh yeah, she's darkness to me. But I'm going to be honest and I might be there because she's really turning the tide for me this season. And all this stuff with her son is really interesting in the way that she's both like acknowledging and not acknowledging his issues with addiction and being willing to show us, like, the struggle she's having of a mom with a kid in addiction and the cycle of enabling that you can get into with that. That is like as a mom, it is so hard to set the boundaries. You need to let your kid hit rock bottom and get the help that they need when they're struggling with something like that So I just like want to send her some like vibes around that of like how challenging that is and validating that. Yeah, I'll be interested in that segment at the reunion because I'm sure she's going to have a lot to say and it won't be easy. So I finally caught up on Real Housewives of Potomac. I've been seeing all these memes that this season, like, you know, people aren't vibing it. But I actually watched all four or five episodes that are out in two days, and I love this season. It might be one. I actually think that Maya saved the show. I think it was really going downhill this season that she came on. It was like about to crash and burn. And I feel like she kind of came in and saved the show a couple seasons ago. I take that as a hot because I go back sometimes Maya just ex me I mean talk about when you said Britney X you like she asks me so she does me. But usually the people who like you bring a lot. Oh yeah, I mean her with this ink guy and I talk about episodes, what I do, I am fascinated by the, the Jacqueline. Jackie Yeah, yeah. Gordon Like, I definitely want to break down some like triangular quadrangular we can bring ink in there, the kids, the paternity of it all. Like, there's so much there. Oh my gosh. When last season, Mia revealed that Jacqueline's boyfriend had raped her. And that was a life changing scene for me last season. And then I think I was texting you when I watched the first episode, I was like, Is that Jack? She back? I guess it was like, Wait, they're friends again? And then she revealed ink hit on her. At some point I was like, Can these two women not overlap? Like, my understanding is they kind of like grew up together. They've known each other since childhood. I can't remember the full story. I have to go back. Yeah. Jacqueline's family. Jacqueline Radia Yeah. And so it makes sense that they kind of have like this enmeshed codependency with each other. And then it feels like the show has created like a power struggle around that. And I wonder if there always has been like there's always been sort of like a competitive nature. I need to go back and rewatch some like scenes around this before we dove more deeply into it. The, the fight with the other. New woman who I don't remember her name about who's me as sidekick Larry. So there's two New Jersey nets here. And Kay and I know Kay was it was was there last season. And I'm just having a really hard time, like, differentiating, like, their relationships with people. Yeah. And there's another new girl who was friends with Karen who hugger, but then showed up to Giselle's event even though they were having the two events. But we've only really seen her in two seasons, so she really came in. Yeah. I don't know that she's like an actual part of it. Maybe she was another. Like, it's like, let's see how where she falls. And I think Jesse or K are full time, are they? No, Kate is full time, which it took me a couple episodes to realize because she had her whole moment with her fiance or no, they're not engaged or just boyfriend girlfriend. Mm hmm. And she had, like, a full I mean, I barely watch the credits, but I think K is full time, which really shocked me. And then we haven't even gotten into Stacie, who is the other full time Stacy I love like. Yes, yeah, I love welcome vibes. Yeah, she's QVC but like quirky and she's Christian, but like she doesn't get offended by things. So she's a bit of a stabilizing force because sometimes for me, Mia can drag the show down to a lower level, like, where's Stacy? But this is what I love about Potomac is it is like this high, low. I feel like it's always been that a little bit like think about the first seasons with Katie and her like bad wigs, like she was so low and then it was like all about Karen judging who is high and who is low. And that felt like what it was established out of. Like, Karen is the queen who comes in and decides if you're good enough and if you're not good enough, she'll try to train you to be good enough. And if not, then like you'll either eventually leave the show or not. Oh, yeah. I mean, I feel like the Housewives was founded on, like, rich women doing rich women things. And what's interesting to me now is like Salt Lake City and Potomac are sort of always been like poor housewives in a sense. Like that sounds so derogatory. But like the fact that Salt Lake City goes on their cast trips to Milwaukee, I'm obsessed with I love it. It's almost giving me crap. Will they ever get a good cast? Will they ever get to go to Europe? Like, No, I don't want them to. I want them to go to the most random places and do the most random things. And then Potomac is sort of similar, like Lake Norman, like never heard of it. I believe it. But I mean, it's interesting to see them. I loved when they walked in and it was all these servants and it kind of felt like just like an Airbnb. And I was like, so she just hired a bunch of servants to like pretend to be in this Airbnb basically. And the bunk beds when think they were concierge, not servants. Okay, let's go. Okay. Sorry, that was real. Ramona. Ramona. Singer of me. Sorry. Concierge butlers. You know, I live in California, so every other day there's a word I'm not supposed to use and I got canceled. So I'm used to it at this point. But anyways, so yeah, I mean, I like that they go to random places and everything. When Stacey came in and was happy about the bunk beds, that's when I was like, I love this girl. Like, I love how excited I get. It was her first girls trip and she came in and saw the bunk beds. It was like, I've always wanted a bunk bed and it was like, Okay, Stacey, is it for me? I feel like she was definitely not happy about it, but she was like, I have two choices. I could either look like a better nanny or I can just like pretend to be excited about this and like, get into, like the the kitsch of it all. And I so appreciated that instead of being like the person who complains about the rooms, she because she did make some jokes that made it seem like, okay, she's not happy about this, but she's willing to go along and get along and play along and make things fun because she recognizes that this is like a couple nights of her entire life and she will survive a couple of nights in a bunk bed and I just really appreciated that vibe. Like, that's such a fun vibe, especially when you're with like a carrot hugger who is just like going to complain about every single thing not being good enough. And you need that person who can just like, you know, allow you to breathe fresh air around that. Yeah. And when Karen was like, so all the girls think you're boring, she also handled that so well. I did not really root for her in the Ashley argument where she was mad that Ashley called out her friend because Ashley did say friend and also girl, you already shot a whole scene with this guy. He's obviously going to be part of the show. He's obviously part of your storyline. You're the one who outwardly said to Ashley, like, I'm going to be vulnerable and tell you my life story right now. So it's like, really, I get this feeling that she's like, put off by Ashley and that. Why she got upset about it more than like that actually did that thing. Yeah, there's something going on because also she brought up the whole bunion thing and their house and it was like that was hilarious. Mhm. Well it, it makes me wonder about their kind of parallel stories about their like divorces and being with these, you know, being black women with white men. And there's something that feels parallel there that's not being spoken and maybe they don't have language for it that feels like it's coming out for me and like what feels like maybe Stacey's tension towards Ashley and why she was, like, calling her out that way. That's a really good point, because they do have a very parallel storyline, especially with her still living with her ex. And I get the sense from Stacy that she's done with the marriage, but she's not done with the lifestyle. And that doesn't mean like financially, I think I'm more saying, you know, the fact that they go out together and they're presented as a couple and this family, they have a daughter. Yeah. Like this whole idea of like, it's the three of us and we have this, like, family, and we show up in this way. And if we're not together, that has to change. And it's interesting the dynamic with her new friend, because I say that an air quotes friend because I mean, it seems like she is jumping into something and I mean, she's lucky. This guy is like no sex because they can't jump into anything too serious. But it feels like she's rushing it. I, I kind of not sure if I root for that relationship because I like her. So yeah, I mean, I don't have too much else to say about Potomac. I have one other thing to say, I guess, about Giselle, who's not a newbie, but it feels like we're seeing a new Giselle this season. I think a lot of people, a lot of mine are kind of talking about this, about being Robin being gone. But I actually have a hot take that I think a lot of this softening in this changing has to do with the loss of her father. And I think there's something going on with her there that is making her change the way she shows up. I think that grief process is likely a big part of it. So I just want to put that out there for people to maybe hold a little more space around what Giselle might be going through and that like her behavior is less likely about Robin not being there and more likely about going through grief not only with her father, but also all of her children are leaving. You know, her role as a mom is changing. You know, she's used to having her three daughters in the house and they're all leaving the nest. And then I just want to create a little space that like this this softness from Robin is in about like I need friends. I think it's about my life is changing. I'm losing a lot and I need to engage in my relationships a little differently. And I think she, you know, approached Karen with a lot of grace. And I actually was really upset that she threw the women out the way she did because I totally and she apologized and oh, that was great. That was grief. Like, I don't think she was doing that out of anything like this event was about her dad dying. It felt like these women had agreed to come. Then Karen intervened and, you know, the women were caught between a rock and a hard place. But I think her reaction was like, this is my grief, and none of you are like acknowledging my grief. And so I need to push you away. And the fact that she apologizes tells you that it's like, okay, she's recognizing her behavior in a different way. Well, and I think the response to the tax being like, you guys can just go to Karen's event. Like to me, if that was a friend, I would be like, I'm not going to care. It's a bad like that text to me was a very vulnerable Jezebel and to me I was kind of upset that no one picked up on that except Karen's random friend. But what I didn't like was that, you know, Karen wasn't really held accountable. I mean, they did have. She never said so. Yeah. I mean, I take my husband's favorite character on. I know is Karen and I don't fully understand it, but that is shocking to me because she's having a bad season to me. Karen's DUI, second DUI, and now she's facing all of these charges. I'm just shocked. I'm like, why is Karen being held to such a different standard than Shannon? But on O.C., like, Shannon Bradshaw is getting raked over the coals for this DUI, her first DUI. I mean, she did hit a home and it was not any DUI is questionable. Let's just be clear. But Karen is just getting a pass to me. And the whole idea, like you guys will see, I'm going to get like this whole thing. She thinks she's going to get redeemed by court or whatever. Like, no matter what, you were driving drunk and you put yourself and more importantly, other people in danger and like to not take any accountability for that, I think, is why. I think it's why some of the women constantly want to bring it up because they want like and I appreciated Mia just being like, you need to like take like I feel like meal was having a real vulnerable conversation with her in the car. She was just like, you need to admit this. Like, you need to just be more humble about this. And Karen could not take it, right? Like, instead, she's taking this is like you're attacking me. And anyone who tries to hold Karen's feet to the fire she takes is an attack. She's so in deep denial. She has such an intense feeling of entitlement. And this like, you know, the things I wrote were like denial, entitlement, grandiose sense of self. Like she thinks she is something like above everyone and not just on the show, I think kind of like in the world. Well, even the shade about the nonalcoholic drink at her birthday, I mean. Yeah, Giselle's shady, so I guess I can understand why people took it that way, but I was like, it's normal to have a nonalcoholic cocktail. Like, I didn't think it was that weird. And the way that she phrased it, like, when she's being the grande dame, she's sober, you know, like, that's the way it's controlled. Yeah. I mean, I can see Karen's and that she is facing this insane legal process, and she cannot. She cannot. She can't say to me in that car I did anything wrong. And I get that she's in that tough place where I'm more concerned for Karen is like her fighting this. She's going to go to jail. Like, I don't understand her whole mentality of fighting this. Like the fact that Shannon took responsibility and pled guilty to me is like she saved herself. And to me, I'm like, Karen might not be on this show because Karen might be in jail. Mm. And I don't think Bravo is going to. I mean, I will they put her in the same channel as Jen so that they can all, like film there. No, because Elizabeth. What's her name? No, A.J. This girl Jen is unfortunately in federal prison, so it won't. But I would love that storyline. Like prisoner in prison. I mean, some Real Housewives of orange jumpsuits. Oh, so we'll see. I don't know. I mean, I don't know if Bravo will excuse somebody going to jail for a DUI. I mean, Teresa went to jail for tax evasion, but. But that didn't put anyone in danger, right? Like a DUI, like you are really putting other people's lives in danger. And her excuse of grief, I mean, after how many seasons I was like, I'm and the whole thing with Ray well it's an entitle you to not be accountable for your behavior. She needs to leave, right? I if I hear another season of her being like like leave him, then leave. And if you're in such a bad marriage that you are getting drunk and crashing a car, do you need to leave, girl? You in danger and you're putting other people down as well. If you're on, if you're drinking because you're unhappy in your marriage, then you need to leave your marriage, right? Like you're making choices. You're a 61 year old woman like you. You have money, you have capability to take care of yourself. And you're choosing to do these different things because if because she doesn't want to take accountability, because she doesn't want to really look at herself, and I think a lot of her identity has been built on like having this marriage. Our marriage is an institution, quote unquote, as she says. And like that, her image is more important to her than her actual, like, feelings and her actual experience of life. Yeah. Agreed. So yeah, we, we can wrap up on that. Yeah. Jake is going to have to come on and justify. Your husband's going to have to justify this. He actually has not been watching this season, so I don't know that he would be happy with her this season. Yeah, I've been actually I walk on my walking pad, so I love that because that's the best way to exercise housewives and walking pad. So Ronnie, I mean, there's not a lot to talk about. So we have a new girl, Raquel. Woman She. I love her. I mean, Raquel. Love, Raquel. Love a woman in the arts. Love a woman who is taking up room in a white male space and succeeding and thriving. Love her vulnerability. The story about her, like changing her name and her family and her father, like so vulnerable in a non trauma dumpy way. And I thought that was really interesting that that story only came out between I can't remember who exactly she was talking to. I think it was Brant. And was it Uber? It was talking. No, it was inside because that was I'm sorry. No, CI was not part of that conversation. And I felt that was really important because I think Sy makes the demand of trauma dumping where I feel like she was having the conversation with just two people as opposed like I want everyone to hear my trauma and like hold like let that be the reason why I behave a certain way. Instead it's like, no, this is just a part of my story and a part of my experience. And so I really appreciated that. Also, like love seeing her relationship. I love the women on motorcycles. It's so cool. I just love it. Yeah. My only critique of Raquel, which isn't really a critique of Raquel is that I feel like the show is in need of a Britney, like a messy, messy mess with like in Rebecca minkoff. But she won't give us the Scientology of it all. I don't know what I don't know enough about Rebecca minkoff to understand like, like one episode, they were like, Oh, you're so breastfeeding And I was like, she has a baby. Like, I don't even know that. She talks about having postpartum in like a, what was a Parisian nightclub and her husband nursing her like, I want more of that. Why was that moment like? It so drifted over. I was like, What? What's good? Yeah, there's a lot of talk about outbrain try to coach Rebecca to, I don't know, be some level of a housewife, which wasn't a good look for Brett for Bren. But I think Bren is also looking at the show and she's like, This is a snooze fest. Like these women are not housewives. And I kind of like don't disagree with her sometimes. So it's tough. But yeah, like as much as I love Raquel and Jenna, Lyons has said she only really came back to the show because of Raquel joining, which, I mean, I like having two queer women on the show and especially their connection and the things they talked about. But I'm like, the show is in need of a hot mess. No one puts their marriage out there. No one puts their life out there. Jessel is the only one giving anything this season about her personal life. And I'm like, it's a struggle. And like, it's forcing the women to have all these weird conflicts that don't even feel real, that are forced, because nobody's bringing anything of their real life to the table. Like, as much as I like Brynn, I'm like, We don't see you dating. We don't understand this relationship with Gideon who's so hot, like, pleased. I am. Like, what is it like? Bring something. I like the fact that she left Jess's party to get a spray tan was like, you do not care. Like, no. Like, none of these women care about the show. I can't even stay for a whole party because they have to go get a spray tan. I feel like I would have really liked this show if it was like the real influencers of New York. And then we still had some other more OG version of Rhony, which definitely needed some re re re configuration. But yeah, I'm just yeah, I'm having a hard time connecting with the women. I'm having a hard time understanding their connections with each other. Right? Like they just seem like, here's a bunch of women, put them in a room, let's see what happens. And they're all just like, What? Who are you? I don't know you. And it's like, I think that's why we were so put off by some of the trauma dumping last season is because it didn't feel like they had authentic safety and connection to share their deeper things. And so when they did share it, it felt like it was being forced. It didn't feel like it was coming from the authentic place. But it felt like it came from Merkel this season. And after they've done that, it's like, now, where do you all land and all the I don't know what any of them are fighting about. I don't know why they all hate Brin right now. I don't, you know, understand the dynamics of it all. And to me, that speaks to because there is an authentic connection between them. Yeah. I mean, just to briefly get into the uber angry black woman comment, because Brin went on social media and basically was saying that there's a whole half of this story that we never heard that actually started the prior season when Uber was fighting with Aaron about the sunglasses, which was like an insane fight, by the way. And she was going to producers saying, Please don't edit me as an angry black woman. And it was a big concern, I guess, of Uber's. And so Brin and her in that conversation that happened off camera in the Hamptons, which is also really frustrating, was Brin basically validating, you know, her fears and being like, let's talk about it? She was like, it didn't come off the way it was portrayed, basically, that Brin was calling her an angry black woman. She was more discussing a topic that had already come up. That's her version of the story, which she wants to tell in the reunion. So we still don't know the whole scope of it. I don't know. It wasn't a good look for Brin. I didn't like that. But at the same time, there is a quality to Uber that we saw last season where she's very concerned with how she comes off on camera and it's making it very hard for her to be a housewife because I think Jenna brought up that there was some incident last season where she showed up and didn't know they were filming and so didn't have glam or something like that and totally lost her whole mind that no one told her that. And it was an early, I think like test shoot, like it wasn't even didn't even end up on the show. And I think it came up during the reunion, I want to say and then I mean, obviously now we're hearing about this sunglass moment and then the finale was all about how Uber didn't want to talk about her new boyfriend in Connecticut. And I'm like, in this goes for all the women. I'm really not just singling out Uber. It feels like all the women are blocking story or anything about their real life. Like I know nothing about size marriage. I know nothing about Brown's dating. Like, you got to bring something to the table if you're going to be on a reality show. And I just think for casting, it's tough now. Every day everyone's very savvy. They want to protect their personal life, which I get. But it's also like then the show is, Don't work, right? We're in this like Metta Place with housewives where it's like, okay, they know the game now. And so they have more power and control over story, but it's impacting like the stories. Feeling disingenuous. Yeah. I mean, I give Aaron credit for breaking the Bitcoin storyline. I mean, that scene with Abe was probably one of the best scenes that I saw, although it still felt like we were only getting half the story. Again, like if we saw more of her relationship with Abe and the dynamics, like even Abe talking to Jana at that party and sort of inserting himself in the dynamic with Erin was kind of interesting. Um. I don't know. Well, we'll see. I've heard Romney gets better, so. Right. Well, we're going to put it out there that it is going to get better and we're going to enjoy the rest of the series. Yeah. I mean, I keep watching. I mean, sometimes I like a lighter show, so, you know, whatever comes up. Yeah. Oh, I also want to mention there's so much to talk about with O.C., so let's not get into all of it. But Sam was on Deep Dove with Jamie Stein, a lengthy episode in this podcast as well, and she talked about Tammy Sue Tamera, Self-diagnosis of Autism. So we're not going to get into all of that because I honestly barely have much to say about it. And Sam covered it way better on Jamie Stein, so please listen to that. I do think Tamara is having a bad season. I rooted for her to come back to the show, so I still believe in her as a housewife, but she's got some accountability to work on. And then Heather Dubrow, I also feel like this is kind of having a hard season, so it'll be interesting how she shows up at the reunion. But yeah, maybe we'll do another recap after the reunion because there was a lot going on this season and then Vanderpump Rules. There's been a lot of rumors about it might not be coming back. There was a lot of rumors that they were filming at Sur like shoots for the servers that are working there And they were like, No, it's for another show, it's for a spinoff. And I was like, I never believed that story. I always thought it was for Vanderpump Rules. I think a show will come back with the name Vanderpump Rules. I just don't think it's going to be main cast. I think it's going to be new people. And they're also saying Lisa Vanderpump might be taking a step back. She also has that Hulu show. So that might be a reason. Also, Jamie signed it and does need the show. Yeah, Jamie Stein did an amazing episode called She Will Not Be Named about bits of Vanderpump, which is very long because he start started and stopped at many times because her which powers. But listen I agree with a lot of his what he said but I fully love Lisa Vanderpump swishy powers and I would love for us to do a deep dove into her. We can bring out like this other side of her that like where? I don't know. I want to join her coven. I do, too. Like, I agreed with everything you said, and at the same time was like, I want Ed with dark powers. Take me into the coven, please. I want the witch vibes. Ariana is going to be on the Macy's Day Parade. I don't know. Does going back to Vanderpump Rules serve Ariana in any way? Probably not. But also there was like, I think was Lala, the one on her podcast who was like, Well, I don't think we need another season. I don't think there's any more story to tell. And she's kind of holding this ground of like, I will not be friends with Ariana, I will not be friends with Katie. And so they keep talking about someone sabotaging the the the negotiation. Negotiation. Thank you. And I don't think it's lala, but I do think like they're all kind of sabotaging it by like disconnecting, but like also that's fine. If that's like what's good for them, why don't they all just go, do you know Katie's got her podcast? Lala is probably going to get a spot in the Valley eventually. Like, you know, she keeps infiltrating into that group enough that her and Sheena will get there and, like, let it. Let it go. Just. It's okay. I feel like the ending of last season was enough for me. I agree. I it's tough to see where they move forward. I think the show makes sense of new people following people who work at Sur and the old cast comes in where it makes sense, which unfortunately does mean Schwartz and Sandoval more than any other cast members. I think Sina what Catalina just shows up anyways wherever she can get, wherever she can be on a camera. But the thing is, I just don't want to see anymore. Like, I'm sad that Sandoval is even in the new traitors. I'm hoping he gets, like, kicked off very quickly because I forgot about that. I'm just. I don't know that I need to see any more. Sandoval I'm like, I'm good. I'm good on him. So Raquel finished her podcast, so she's slinking off to Arizona or something. I'm not sure, although I still don't understand this lawsuit and her suing Ariana. I just I can't get behind that in her, Helling. Journey. But apparently Sandoval announced on his podcast that him and his new girlfriend Victoria are moving in together. And they were like. Yeah, mom and Dad moving in together. And I was like, Oh, it. It just hit something in me because I'm like, they used to call Sandoval and Ariana, mom and dad, and that was their dynamic. And he just found a new girl to replace Ariana and he's just following the same pattern. And it put me out on a level that I can't even get into. So I'm not and I understand why you're saying I don't want to see Sandoval work, because that would be the storyline, right? I don't think he's changing. I don't think he has any motivation to change. I still don't think he thinks he's done anything wrong. Like I think he was like, now I'm more infamous than I was and that's great. That's what I wanted. And so I don't think he has any motivation to change or be a better person. And so like, yeah, I don't care too to see him stuck in his, you know, same Arrested Development place that we've seen him for me since the beginning. I know you had some different feelings about him from the beginning. Yeah, well, he called me maybe. I mean, Jax has come out as bipolar, too. I think we may have spoken about that. I will give him credit. I listened to his podcast where he talked about his diagnosis. And the one thing that resonated for me was when he was talking about being medicated and taking medication. I think that's the most difficult part of those kind of diagnosis, just as an outsider who knows nothing about it. And I gave him a lot of credit for being willing to talk about it, be following through with it. So I think this season of the Valley is going to be really rough for him, but because it already had already shot this summer when all this was going down. But I don't know, maybe I'm getting conned by Jax. I'm getting jacked, but I kind of like. I think he might be turning a page. I don't know what's the name of his new podcast? Like a man, my or something? Oh, God. I think it's got them in the mind of a man, which I don't love the name, but I will say if it's anything like the podcast that I listened to with him talking about the bipolar diagnosis, I'm kind of for it. I mean, he also I've seen some clips where he was talking about some girl was writing and being like this guy. He seems like he really likes me. But then he goes me sometimes. And he was just like, Yeah, he's sleeping with other women. That's like, what's happening? I'm like, you know, sometimes I'm like, I do think that he gives good advice because if he gave that kind of because he knows, because, you know. So to me, I'm like, I know everyone was hating on the reveal of this podcast, but a it makes no sense that he's still doing a podcast with Britney too. I actually think if that's the kind of advice and things he's going to talk about, it could be very entertaining. But anyways, I want to end the podcast with some cleansing because I don't know about you or anyone, but the state of the world's Halloween compacted with the election just feels like my brain is not right. So Sam definitely knows this prayer, but growing up, we used to have this like on the wall and it was something we said a lot. It actually is the Serenity Prayer and they use it in AA, which I didn't know about. You like way later as a kid, I was like, this is such a typical, like Irish Catholic family kind of thing that we have. We say that AA prayer and we don't even know about it. So I'm going to read it and everyone was off for this coming week. God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. And if not, God, try to grant it to yourself. Yeah. The universe. Mm hmm. Goddess. Goddess? Yeah. Goddess. Catholic. No, it doesn't. It also could be Karen Hugger. The dame, the dog, the dom, the grand dom. Adam the grand dom. Grant me the serenity. Wait. One more take. Do it with the grand dame. Okay. Grand dame. Grant me the serenity to accept the things I. I cannot change. Like the fact that she got a DUI. The courage to change the things. I can like going to court and trying to fight it for some reason, and maybe stopping alcohol and the wisdom to know the difference, which she clearly does not. Right. Thank you, Jenny. Okay. And put in your requests as. Yeah. We had a trailer for Southern Charm. We had a trailer for Beverly Hills. Lots of stuff come in, lots of stuff coming. So keep the requests coming. We've got a lot in the hopper too. See you all in two weeks.