Sutton Stracke from Real Housewives of Beverly Hills

This week, we’re diving into the fabulous and fiery world of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills star, Sutton Stracke! From her legendary one-liners—“Name ‘Em,” “Let the Mouse Go!” and the unforgettable “Jealous of what? Her ugly leather pants?!”—to her transformation from a friend-of to a full-fledged fan favorite, Sutton has solidified her place in Housewives history. But beneath the couture and quirky charm lies a deeper story. Her recent trip to visit her mother gave us a rare glimpse into her ongoing struggle for validation and attention—something that seems to play out not just in her family relationships, but also in her dynamics with the other women. Tune in as we unpack Sutton’s journey, her unfiltered moments, and why she remains one of RHOBH’s most fascinating personalities!

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Chapters

• 3:28 Sutton's trip to visit her mom
• 18:14 Sutton's divorce and money
• 23:33 Sutton's relationship with her father
• 34:11 Sutton's relationship with Garcelle
• 39:06 Sutton's need to put down others
• 47:54 Dorit being calculated
• 53:47 Sutton's future
• 58:09 Karen Huger update
• 1:01:57 Summer House

Transcript

We're back! so one thing I want to say before we get started is we have reached 10,000 downloads. I don't even know that many people that could download that many of our episodes so that means people I don't know are listening and that's so cool. I know. I think that was, like, the weirdest thing in starting this was, like, starting to get DMs from people we didn't know and I was like, wow, like, people like us? And even if you don't like us, like, that's fine. Yeah, we take haters. We still want you to listen and we still want you to comment. And fight us. We haven't gotten done, like, a lot of fights yet. No, no. But, like, we're open to it. Yeah, we are. today we're getting into maybe one of the most unhinged of people. In a lot of ways. She goes back and forth from like fan favorite to like, you know, people really fight about her and a lot of people were fighting about her this week. Um, Sutton Strack from Beverly Hills Housewives. Um, Uh, the question I wrote at the top of this was how, cause like, I really like Sa'in. I've always really liked her, but then obviously she has these episodes or these fights where you're like, oh God, she's losing me. And like this week with Dorit, which we'll get into was one of them. But, um, so I wrote, how could she both be the voice of reason and somehow be the most unhinged person on the cast? Well, I think what's interesting about her is that I think she totally lacks awareness and in some moments it is so fun and funny to watch. And in some moments it is so frustrating and so, like, mind-blowing that this person, like, lacks this much ability to recognize the shared reality. so let's start with her background. We got a lot of Sutton's background on this recent trip. Just recently, yeah. Yeah, to like visit her mom. Um, I saw like a creator Kind of did this video where she was like very much like criticizing that the show did this trip because she was like It's weird that like the whole cast didn't go. It's weird that like it must have been really triggering for Kyle and Garcelle to be like thrown into her like family dynamic that way. Just kind of criticizing the whole thing. I do think it's really interesting that like Kyle's friend had recently committed suicide and like that really threw her marriage off and like we didn't really get anything from Kyle like mentioning that. But I mean, it was a weird criticism, I guess, because a like real life, like real talk, real life. I've gone on trips with my girlfriends where it's like we go to visit their family. Or we go to their hometown and you know, we stay at their family's house because it's cheaper and like, you know, you get in the mix of their family dynamic all the time. So I didn't think it was like outside of the norm of like what would happen in real life. A, B, I think it would have been really weird to have all the cast members go because It just it felt more intimate and we got more interesting story with it just being her close friends. And it was really nice to have them break away and do this, side trip while Dorit and Kathy and Bo's And Erica went to that dinner because to me I got a lot out of that dinner and like it was nice to have Kathy kind of like You know, get into the dynamic without Kyle. Like, I thought that the whole producing of it was really interesting and really good. Um, and I kind of wrote to this creator and I was like, so do you not want reality TV to be good? Well, I think I can see what that person is saying and I think Garcelle and Kyle, they weren't forced to go on this trip. They have choices. They have autonomy and I don't think they would lose their job if they were like, I'm not comfortable going on this trip. And if anything, they both seemed way more than game to do it because Like, they were getting in the mix of it, right? Like, they're both kind of intruding into the dynamics between Sutton and her mom and, like, seem more than happy to advocate for Sutton's needs and, like, try to get into that so much. I can see what she's saying where that could, like, given both of their experience, you know, Garcelle having lost both of her parents, um, Kyle having gone through this recent Suicide experience with her friend where, like, there are, you know, situations where this could have been triggering for them. One, we didn't hear either of them voice that. And so, like, you're, you know, that- Creator is making a lot of assumptions that that's their experience when we don't, you know, if they're, we can only go off their experience being what they share with us. And they, I didn't, did you hear anything like that? I know. I know they were all kind of like, it's weird to be going to the house that your dad committed suicide in. But I didn't get the sense they were like, we don't want to go. And if they had said we don't want to go, like, again, I think like that would have been respected and understood and just. Supported and validated in a lot of ways. So I don't know if I totally agree with this person who's putting what seems like a lot of assumptions on like, what they assume, you know, Garcelle and Kyle's experience of this situation was, I will say. I totally agree. I think it is more interesting that they split it up because of what it brought out. I do think not having the other women participate in this limits their ability to hold empathy for Sutton's experience because I think – What we got as viewers of seeing this relationship with her mom and hearing more about her father's suicide like. Had me be able to hold a different understanding of her of the way she behaves and like how this is like patterned and trauma and like where this is coming from that. Gives a different insight and it doesn't mean that Sutton shouldn't be held accountable for certain things, but you know, the other women not participating in that and then like the minute they come back having to go to this 4th of July conference. Party at Dorit's who was like the last person Sutton had conflict with like had Dorit had that insight like would she have pointed out that alcoholic thing you know like would she like maybe she would have behaved the exact same way but if there was this more insight well you know. On that trip Sutton shared that like her dad struggled with depression and one of his ways of coping was with substances and alcohol. And we see her mom clearly maybe struggles with some alcohol, you know. It's mid, I think there's one scene where it's like morning and she's pouring a glass of vodka like straight for herself and so like clearly alcohol is used in this family as a means of like coping with different emotions. And it was very clear on this trip what that means and so Again, going back, going, you know, coming back from the trip, going straight to this party at Dorit's house, Dorit not knowing any of the context of what they've just been through and, you know, that that's probably left Sutton in a more raw, emotionally vulnerable place. You know, it's clearly part of why that, like, moment was so triggering. Well, and I guess for me, I don't feel if all the women were there, the scenes and the things that happened would have made sense as much. I don't think you could have brought the whole group into that house. Totally. What happened with her dad? And at the same time, I think that's what makes it interesting for the audience is like we have knowledge that they don't have. Mm hmm. And it layers like, you know, context to it. And also it was well produced in the way of different than New York, where it's like, OK, they sit at a table and everyone like trauma dumps. Like Kyle and Garcelle were there with Sutton and experienced her life and in turn audience experienced her life with them. And then we come back into the group dynamic and we see it playing out and not all the women have that knowledge. And that's really shows the importance of building real friendships and like building a vulnerable moment that she would have felt comfortable to invite you on. And like there is no world where she would ever have that, at least right now with Dorit, like at all. Mm-hmm. You kind of see, and I want to like get into the Dorit of it all for sure, but like even with Sutton coming to Dorit and being like, I'm going to be there for you in your divorce and blah, blah, blah. It was kind of like forced. And like to me, I don't think Sutton has, you know, in the sisterhood conversation of it all, like has really genuinely made an effort to like pull Dorit aside and actually get to know like her situation at all. Um, which is interesting because I think there is a lot of parallels between both of their situations and maybe that's also triggering Sutton and she's not like letting herself be aware of that. Um. But yeah, I think they've done this on other shows like Heather Dubrow and like, um, Gina went on that trip to New York and hung out with her family. So I was like, I don't think this is out of the realm of what Housewives does. I think Housewives has always been about families and marriage and kids and like. Mm-hmm. That's when the show is the best. And then you come into those group dynamics and you get so much more context. To me, I don't understand, like, the fans or the creators who are like, we just want those, like, Round table fights dinners like. Then what else are we watching? Yeah, that's exhausting. That's why we need to make sure like they have their. They have their partners on the show. They have their families on the show. When you get to see different sides and different levels of vulnerability, because I think you're absolutely right that like, if Dorit and Bose and all these other people were on that trip, like. I imagine we get a different, more guarded Sutton. Like, there's a different way that she ends up behaving with all those different people in her home. That would have made the impact of some of those scenes really different and maybe feel more like forced and like inauthentic. Yeah, so let's get into the dynamic with her mom because I feel like I am ready to hear what you have to say about the mom because obviously we get a lot of the mom and then there's this like reveal that she's a therapist. And you're like, wait, what? So for anyone who is like, how is this woman a therapist? You have to hold in mind that therapist is like a role and it's a job and it is very different than how people show up in their family situations and oftentimes people... Who become therapists come to it because they kind of, like, have gone through their own stuff and want to, like, understand more whether that's, like, Themselves, their families, their dynamics, their, you know, their role with emotions. But it doesn't mean that they are like well-adapted copers or well-adapted integrators of What they are preaching or what they are working with with other people. I was like the saying like those who can't do teach and so. Sometimes those who can't experience their emotions can become therapists because they want to and they can't and this is a way to get close to that experience. I read somewhere that the mom does work with people in the VA so You know, veterans, which to me would be really interesting and make a lot of sense just because I think a lot of times veterans do, you know, a lot of times that is like men, um. And the approach with men may be very different than the approach with women and it may be easier for her to work with Men in the South, I imagine, even more so than men anywhere else, but, like, men in general are often taught to, like, dismiss their emotions, not, you know, not have emotions, and so that must be something that's very familiar and interesting. comfortable for her and so i i want people to be very careful to make the assumption that her mom shows up as a therapist the same way she's showing up as a mom because That's probably not true. It is so much easier to get into someone else's emotional place and hold empathy and Share in that experience when you don't have any personal connection to it than when it is with your own family. Yeah, and something you had said to me once when someone in my life was like going through like their therapy journey and I was like, this person's becoming more of an asshole. And you were like, well, therapy really. Just makes you more of what you like authentically are or like bring out. Maybe I'm phrasing this wrong, but like bring out more of your authentic feelings, emotions and like Like, who your real personality is. And so I want to say, like, I give her credit because she knows who she is. Like, throughout all of the, like, conversations with Garcelle, Kyle, and even with Sutton, she's like, I'm not a nurturer. I'm not, like. Lovey-dovey. I don't, like, get the purpose of saying I love you every day. Like, she's very clear in the way she is. I think, you know, there is an interesting clash where Sutton is trying to make her different than she is. And like we could get into that more but like, you know, she's kind of saying this is who I am like in a sense like kind of take it or leave it and like I'll give you what I can. And to me that is like kind of emotionally mature in the way of like I am who I am, like Sutton, like, you know. Right, like they can all give her the script to say I love and support you, but is that validating to Sutton if that's not really, like, that's not how love is shown for this woman, like. And I, you know, she, the, you know, Sutton's mom Reba gave like a very, what felt very vulnerable, you know, of her own experience as being a child, like that her parents didn't say I love you. It was interesting that she focused on like nobody told me I was pretty like that felt like something that like I was curious to know more about like why that felt really important as opposed to like. You know, what Sutton was asking for, which was like, tell me you're proud of me. And there's something, it makes me think there's something about Appearance and women and something deeper there that we didn't get to explore that like me as a therapist I'm like, ooh, there's something there that's really interesting because Sutton was a dancer and, like, she married Rich and this went very different than, like, what it seems like her mom as, like, a working woman and, you know, being what I assume is maybe, like, One of the providers in the family, it sounds like it was really different. And like, I wonder how much that was like valued and encouraged by her mom in some ways. even the dynamic of that she has this old southern mansion in Augusta and her mom lives in the back house was kind of weird to me. Because obviously that main house is like probably empty most of the year and the mom lives in this back house. I bet the mom doesn't want to live in the main house is my guess. I would, I would assume that too. I don't feel that it's like Sutton putting her mom in her place or anything like that. She seems quite content, but like the dynamic of it was weird that it was like almost not called out or not an issue in a way. Like I was like, okay, um. And also it's like she talks a lot about how she like really was proud of Christian and all of his success and like that Sutton was married to him and that was like her success was that she married Rich, like almost like You know, Kyle's mom, Big Kathy. and at the same time, I think, you know, she's like trying to build this business in Beverly Hills and like have these fashion shows and be like, Mom, look, I had to pick out like the fashion It was like, I'm sorry, Sutton, but that was like so pathetic when she's like, I have to pick out like the fabric for a dress. It was like. She was trying to make her like her business seems so much more like hard than it is. Like you have a hundred assistants. You have Avi following you around no matter where you go with your dog. Like, I I'm sorry. I just can't think that you work like. As hard as you're trying to make it out right now. But at the same time, like to me, I think it's interesting that she feels that she needs to kind of like almost show that she could be as like Legit as Christian or business when I feel like that's not who she is authentically. That's not what's gonna make her happy. I actually think the most I've seen her be happy and like genuine is when she's talking about Dancing and like her art. And I know she like sits on the board of the ballet or whatever, but like to me, I'm like, you're following all these things in a way to almost prove okay, yeah, I married rich, but I can make my own business. I feel like she's actually an artist and I think I don't know if I see her like running a modern like dance studio Or actually just doing modern dance again. Like, I think that she's, like, truly an artist that should, like, be creative with no strings of, like, making money or being successful. And she will be happy. Well, she doesn't need it. She doesn't. Anita is in reality, right? Like there's something of like she wants to prove that she's willing to work and that she works for her life. But in reality, like Sutton, your business exists because of what you got from your divorce. Like, that business wouldn't exist without that. And like, there's some denial she's holding around The privilege she carries because she got this huge divorce settlement and even in, you know, the recent fight with Dorit where she's starting to talk about like wallets. It's like, oh, your wallet is huge, but you didn't. Like, that's not your earning directly. The way that you're holding how you should earn money is not what is actually happening here. And like, I respect people who like, you know, if you are a housewife and like, Got money from a divorce. That's, that's fine. Like that's, you know, there's nothing wrong with that. But what becomes wrong with it is where this becomes like I worked really hard and I earned this in some sort of way that isn't authentic to like what feels like really happened here. Yeah. And if there could be this, like, acknowledgement of, like, yeah, I, like, got all this money but I still want to work and that's really important to me to, like, do something... And I do think she's trying to hold on to this part of her that like does something creative by like creating fashion and these kinds of things. It doesn't feel like it's totally, like, connected to her because it does feel like her roots in art are not fashion Like I almost wish she like became like an art dealer or like, you know, like Did something that felt a little more connected to like what her history is, but it does feel like there's just this constant need to like be validated and to prove herself, but then also sitting in this place where she does like kind of. Act like she's above everyone else like I'm better than all these other women. That feels like a, it feels very icky and it feels very like not connected to each other. It feels like there are two different parts of her that play out. Dorit's like two sides of I don't know which Sutton I'm gonna get or whatever that she was so triggered by. But yeah, I almost wonder like if she was doing something like that where she was more authentically just happy. I almost feel like her mom would be more proud of her. I think the more she tries to strive for this, like, business woman, look at what I'm doing, the more her mom's like, okay, like. Well, I also think that her mom is proud of her. Right? Like, I think this is just a woman who doesn't know, right? Like, I think her mom does love her and is really proud of her. I think that What I felt was really interesting was they were having a conversation about Sutton's father and Sutton was like talking about how she still felt like angry at her mom because her mom was there the day that he killed her. And, you know, she does the mom never told her the whole story of what happened. And I get this sense. And obviously, I don't know, because they haven't shared enough about it, that Sutton's mom had. had a very different experience with sutton's dad than sutton has with her own dad like there may have been abuse there, you know, whatever, however his like depression and potential substance use impacted the marriage like. There was likely some darkness there that Sutton's mom, like, feels very differently. And she kept, you know, Sutton kept being like, don't you miss daddy? And she was like, no. Like, she's like, I don't. My experience is different and this feels like a woman who's been through like a really hard life. And I don't get the sense that she doesn't love Sutton. I get the sense that she does. But that, like, expressing emotions just isn't something that she does. And it's not something that is natural or comfortable for her. And yeah, this, like, trying to shove... A round peg into a square hole, right? Like, it's not going to fit. Like, she's not going to be able to show up exactly how you, you know, when I'm working with clients who are like, How come I can't get my parent to like do this for me it's like well you're asking them to do something that's not within like you have to work with people and their limitations and their capacities you can't change them you can change your expectations of them you can change sort of like. What could be enough? Like, what does, like, love look like here? What, where, where are the signs that there is love? Because I bet there is. Like, even to me, Sutton's mom living in the house behind Like, that's her wanting to have a closeness with Sutton without, like, making too much change because this is an 80-something-year-old woman who isn't going to move to LA if that's not where she wants to be and, like, her career and her life and everything. You know, her friends and family are probably all based in Augusta, but this is her, like, showing, like, I want to be close to you, Sutton. Like, I live in the house right behind your house, like, which also puts her in her position to, like, watch out for Sutton's house, right? Like, that's her showing love. I was surprised Sutton was so unable to kind of put herself in her mom's shoes in some ways. Like, if you're married to... Well... You were surprised Sutton couldn't put herself in somebody else's shoes? Well, I guess because, I feel like her having gone through a marriage and divorce, like she has to have some capacity to understand like being married to someone who has that level of mental illness And sticking it out and going through all this stuff that they, I'm sure, went through was probably really traumatizing for her mother and, like, Really difficult. And there was some times where I was kind of like, she's clearly telling you like, there's things about our relationship that you would not understand. You wouldn't want to know, right? Like, you just don't want to know those things about your father who's dead, who isn't here to, like, talk about his experience. She's trying to put reason to something that doesn't have meaning. Logic, you know, I mean, suicide is like there it's there's not a, you know, reason that you could put and be like, OK, now I'm some like somehow OK with this, like there's not. And like, she clearly needs to do like a lot more work in therapy to move on from that. Um, I think we saw when she came on the show too, she like brought up her dad's suicide a lot. So it's something that she like acknowledges and she's working through. Mm hmm. In a way that I don't see a lot of women like her age doing. So I give her like a lot of credit for that. I mean, even filming this whole thing and like having this conversation with her mom. Is huge. So I want to like give her flowers for that. It is interesting going back to the like money of it all. Um, it's interesting that in a way Dorit married PK. Not for money like she's not like gold digger or what you would think of like what Erica Jane's been portrayed someone else she's had like conflict with. Um, but like Dorit has always been like, okay, he didn't want me to work. So I raised the kids and I bought a bunch of designer clothes and like lived my best life. And I think that's sort of something deeply triggering for Sutton. About that because with the wallet question there's an after show too where she goes on this like whole rant about Dorit and how she's like, you know, portrays her wealth in a fake way and that bothers her. And I think a part of it is because Sutton married rich, got all this money, had all this prestige, was like the perfect southern wife. but it didn't end up being a happy marriage. But on top of that, like she's always trying to be like, I'm on the board of the ballet and I do this and I do that. Like she was constantly within her marriage, justifying her position of being just a wife. In a way that like Dorit never did. Dorit was like, I'm just a wife. I get my like designer labels. I, you know, take care of the kids and that's my role and I'm cool with that. And like, I think that's very triggering for Sutton and that's why she was like, well, my wallet's bigger than you because at least I married someone who was like legit rich and not someone who was like a con man rich. Well, I think we saw something similar where Crystal, you know, Was married to this man. They, you know, have what, like, look like a really happy marriage. But Crystal was really just, like, a housewife and socialite. Like, right? Like, it didn't seem like she had, like, a job or whatever. Something that was earning money to bring into the family, you know, Rob was the main provider and like, they seem to have this like, kind of like really good marriage and it did seem like there was something about That that really triggered Sutton. And even like last season with Kyle, it's interesting that the argument she gotten with the name or whatever, part of that was like, why I was so unhinged with the name conversation was because Christian's moving to London and like tries to outline Line this like whole situation with Christian moving to London and how that's going to affect her. And like Kyle's like, you're divorced. You're not together. Why does this matter? I don't get it. And it's interesting now to see Kyle in that situation with Mo. If Mo was like, I'm moving to Greece, bye. Like, Kyle would kind of flip out. Um, so it's interesting now to see her kind of in that position of son, but there is an aspect I felt like even when she was saying Christian's moving to London, I can't like handle this where she's like, Even though we're divorced, there's still this sort of connection with Christian that she likes to utilize in some way, whether it's like a society thing or just knowing like I. And she's talked about how like Christian pulled the rug out from her like they were having problems. It was almost a similar thing to what happened with Kyle. Like she kind of was like, I'm not happy in our marriage. You need to like change. And he was like. She, you know, made some moves and he was like, no divorce papers like and she was like, holy crap. And he was so much more powerful than her. And I think she's probably never dealt with like the hurt that. Hey, the first time I really came to you and said, we have problems and we need to fix this. Not only did you not address what was genuinely upsetting me, similar to what happens with her mom, you then just divorced me and like moved on with your life like. You shut down and withdraw, Drew, like, just like mom does. And probably just like dad did, right? Like, if he's someone who was experiencing, like, deep depression, he may have in moments been able to show more love and affection towards Sutton. And then had these moments where he withdrew and like it felt like that was being taken away from her. And when you get into all these arguments, which I'm dying over, like, our document that you wrote up of all of her fights, um, Sutton versus Dorit, Sutton versus Crystal, Sutton versus Erica, Sutton versus Kyle. Kyle. Um, and Dorit again, I guess came back around. Um, it does seem like in all of these arguments, which each one is like more unhinged than just looking at the titles of them, leather pants, magic, Mike. Name, um, let the mouse go, classic housewives fights, It seems like there's a constant both need for like attention and validation, which makes so much more sense now that you've seen the dynamic with her mom I've also felt like in a lot of different situations, like even in the Western party that happened this season. It seemed like the season or the show or even like that conversation was like very much becoming about Dorit again because like a lot of these scenes have become about Dorit or Kyle and Dorit. And whenever that happens, I notice like Sutton pipes up and is like, okay, now I'm going to say something. I think this happened in Viper Room too. And it was like, she just needs to constantly like insert herself in a way that like everybody else just sits there and is quiet until like. It becomes relevant, but she'll just, like, like, bulldozer into a conversation in a way that's, like, look at me now, people. Like, I gave him the sisterhood thing. She was like, what about sisterhood? And it was like, nothing about her argument made any sense. And it was like, not consistent at all. And to me, it just read like, Nobody's paying attention to me and I need to now have a moment in this conversation. So I'm just going to start spouting out random shit basically. Well, and if you go back to every single, like, or at least all of these bigger fights, like, the let the mounts go, where that came from was... they were, they went to Lisa Renna's daughter's party and there may have been this guy there who, um, felt uncomfortable with. So she told, um, Dorit that it was like she was worried about this and then during the event she said I'm gonna freak out and then Dorit kind of calls her out in the middle of dinner and makes her feel like kind of targeted in this way and I feel like that's. There's like sort of two things I see with her this feeling of like either being targeted or this feeling of being left out and so it's interesting that like when the focus is on her in a negative way she does this but then also when the focus is not on her she does this. And it feels like such a like a arrested development thing because the way that she expresses her emotions comes from such like. This, like, what feels like a childhood tantrum. Like, it always feels like she's having a tantrum. And then what's even more interesting is all of the women were... Usually at least 90% of the women positively reinforce it by, like, running to her aid to be like, what's wrong? Are you okay? Like... The letting the mouse go one I think is the one where it didn't happen but like with the ugly leather pants they're at like this birthday party everyone got Garcella gifts she didn't get Garcella gifts so suddenly she's having a tantrum because she realizes she's like Being left out of something and maybe being seen as something that she's not maybe that's also part of it like this idea of like, because if we go to the crystal thing like crystal says you violated me and there's this idea of being seen as like. Someone who would violate and then with like the let the mouse go there's like this idea of being seen as like going to ruin something right she like there's a feeling of embarrassment that Sutton has and then reacts to the embarrassment in this. Or even with, like, the magic mic, right? Like, she's almost embarrassed with herself for wearing pants and wanting to have been put- wanting to be asked and then isn't asked and- Then this like tantrum ensues and everyone coddles it, right? Like they all positively reinforce it, which is interesting because I, my guess is her mom never reinforced those sorts of things. Like my guess is when she had tantrums like that growing up, just based on like what we've seen. Scene of Reba, she would like actively ignore it and probably reject her, but I bet her dad would reinforce it. I bet her dad would come in and kind of coddle her, and maybe that's where this got positively reinforced at a young age. But it does feel like this thing where she's like tantrum and then I get coddled and then I get to look like the victim or I get to look like the one who's You know, didn't do anything wrong or the one who, you know, is upset and needs, and needs support and needs emotional, like, Right? Like, needs everyone's emotions to be focused on me as opposed to looking at that, like, I'm actually behaving really badly. Right? then the aftermath of that is like her being misunderstood. And then she'll bring out like anything to kind of justify it. Like, I think in the like, I don't see color fight with, um, Crystal that just like went on and on and on. She brings up like her dad's suicide, too. It was like kind of didn't really have anything to do with anything. And then with the Kyle name of fight, the effects of that was going to the dinner party and being like Christians moving to London. And that's what I was really going through. And it's like, OK, but like that conversation wasn't about Christian going to London. So maybe that is the backstory. Maybe that's like what was going on in the back of your head. You know, and even like I, we haven't mentioned this, but when Dorit got, you know, the robbery happened. And then Kyle goes over her house and she's like, I've had a hell of a day. It's like she just cannot handle sometimes in the like the the the spotlight is not on her. It feels like it's like a threat to her right like there's like a threat if other people are getting people's emotional support or getting other people's empathy it that feels almost like threatening to her like if they're focused on somebody else. Like, I'm gonna lose something. Like, I'm gonna lose. And it's really interesting to me that her and Garcelle are so close. Because I feel like I see Garcelle as someone who's really intelligent and self-aware and, like, able to, like, understand things. And yet it feels like Garcelle... Doesn't see this in Sutton or doesn't hold her accountable at all for these like, you know, how can you not go back and watch the show and see that like, she like what it's very clear she's having a tantrum about right like. There it's it just seems like obvious when you watch it like this is a person who's losing it to get attention because they don't want to be seen for in some negative way. And you're enabling that a little bit, Garcelle, and that, like, makes me sad for Garcelle, like. Well, it made me surprised when Bose became so close with Dorit and Garcelle was sort of like minorly threatened by that. Like it also seemed out of character for Garcelle because she's like Dorit has never had someone to stand up for her and that's worked in everyone else's favor. Well, but it's weird to me because I'm like, Garcelle, you do the same thing with Sutton. Like you're, you're just as much Sutton's. You know, back up as Bose is to Dorit, so. But the thing with sudden, she's had other people back her too, right? Kyle will back her sometimes. Yeah. Other people would come to her defense and not just Garcelle. I think Garcelle was her main sort of like spokesperson, but she had other people who would come where Dorit's always kind of been like a lone dog, especially after the fallout with Lisa Vanderpump like. Even in her relationship with Kyle, like, Kyle is not a loyal person. Kyle can blow with the wind. And so she's never had someone who just, like, unconditionally backed her, like, Not even her husband. Yeah. I guess he did a little bit, right? Like, in some of those first seasons, he did stand up. Remember, he stood up to Erica for her, and that was kind of nice. But in general, she's never had, like, a girl to have her back. And That kind of came at the advantage of everyone else of being like, okay, Dorit is the problem. And now we have someone being like, but wait, like, That's not true. Like, I can see that, like, there's multiple things happening here. Like, Sutton is clearly upset, and if she's upset, she should go home. But this is still Dorit's party. If you're going to stay at Dorit's party, then like, you shouldn't be doing this thing that you're doing with Sutton in her home. Well, and I think I had to go back and watch that scene with Dr. Jen and Erica, and I just want to say flowers for Dr. Jen. I have loved Dr. Jen. She used to have a show on VH1 called Couples Therapy. Mm-hmm. She needs to be back on TV. Actually, like my dream show is like a Bravo like healing retreat with the most like unhinged characters and it's Dr. Jen. Jamie Stein, obviously, because I've already asked him, I was like, would you do reality? And he was like, if it was the right circumstance. And then like one other crazy person, I don't know who that person would be, but like he Bring in Esther Perel. Bring someone, like, real. Like, I want, like, someone who has, like, credentials and, like, I want to bring in, like, a. Dr. Jen has credentials. But she's kind of known as. Like a reality therapist, I feel like she doesn't work with like regular people like it feels like to me she her shtick is like I work with celebrities and reality stars and like that. I mean, has she not fixed Erica somehow? Like, Erica's like kind of fixed. Like, I mean, Erica does. This has been a redemption season for her. I never thought I'd be like, she's the voice of reason. But then again, the focus isn't on her, so I don't know. Like, if we started bringing focus on concerning things about her history, she might go back into her defensive way as well. I think it's easy to have a redemption and like a good season when all the drama isn't particularly focused on things that you are emotionally vulnerable around. Her storyline is like designing her house, so. Right, she doesn't really have, she really is more of a friend of at this point in the scene. I don't know, she's bringing, I mean, that scene with Dr. Jen where she kind of calls out Sutton and she's like, she's very triggering to me because. Of, you know, the way that she, you know, reacts and then how everyone, you know, runs to her side and I was like damn she had Sutton's number and I mean in some way she's had her number all along because. There was, like, this aspect of, like, fine, like, high society and, like, southern ways that, like, always kind of bothered Erika. And she does have that. Like, I mean, in the fight. Well, it's interesting because actually at the beginning, Erika seemed to really, like, like Like, if you go back to watch like that first season Sutton came on, there's sort of like a respect Erica has for her. I think it switched pretty quickly because I think Either the season or the season after that, Erica started going through her legal troubles and Sutton inserted herself into that in a very aggressive way that, like, was meant to make her look good and, you know, make other people look good. Less than, which I think is a big dynamic there, right? Like that I am the hero. Look, I can come in. I can offer you support. I can offer you help. I can offer you resource. But if you cross me in the wrong way, I'm going to like cut you down. And with Erica, I mean, she was operating in that same sphere that Sutton was in when she was married to Tom Girardi. So I could see her kind of like at least at first being like, oh, yeah, we're both in the same circles. Both being from the south too, like probably grew up like Erica's mom is not so dissimilar from Reba. Lots of parallels. Well, getting into the recent Caviar Caspia, which apparently that place is closed, by the way. I looked it up because I just wanted to see like how expensive it is to actually eat there and. R.I.P. R.I.P. Um, but anyways, uh, I mean the the drinking of it all I found kind of interesting because yes, I saw a lot of people defending Sutton in this fight. And in some ways it's fair because yeah, Nini said worse. Other housewives have said worse than my pick on someone whose wallet matches yours or whatever. It's more just, like, icky. Like, to me, that line just felt like it didn't make Sutton look good. Like, to me, that's not, like, I guess like what maybe Sutton is missing is that the audience is mostly not seriously rich people. And so being a diss that you're poor is like, I don't know if someone told me I was poor, I'd be like. Yeah. Got my card. Like, true. Like, does that make me less than? Like, does it make her less than that her wallet is? Like, And the idea that money equals, like, value in the world, like, that makes me look down on Sutton personally. Well, and honestly, a better criticism of Dorit would have been like, OK, you're going to criticize my drinking. Meanwhile, your husband is, struggling with alcoholism and you're still drinking and you say you want to fix this marriage. You know, why don't you look in the mirror? Right, there's so many other ways she could have talked to, like, there are plenty of faults in Dorit. And the drinking is one of them, which is interesting that that's what they're fighting over because I feel like even with that dinner with PK, I mean, she ordered a drink and he kind of was like, I'm fine with it, but it's like, You know, if you're really supporting your spouse in a sobriety journey, you're not going to order a cocktail in front of them. Like, the same thing with, like, Lindsay and Carl. if you do really want to make a relationship work with someone who's trying to be in recovery, you kind of have to only drink when you're not around that person or be in recovery yourself. I hate to say that in a way because it's like you should be authentic to yourself and like choose your own journey. And I think PK is like obviously realizing that that's fair for Dorit, but it's also like, okay, well, if you want to save your marriage, like You do have to make sacrifices too. So like, I see both sides of it, but like, to me, that's really what you should be calling her out on. And I don't think like, and I think. Sutton being like and this happens a lot with a lot of housewives on on just in general where it's like They want to distinguish a drinking problem from, like, an emotional problem. And I often find with these women and in real life with women and myself included, Sometimes it's like drinking gives you that excuse to be emotional or say the things that like you feel like you can't say or like Be over the top or like just explode in this anger or emotion that you've been like bottling up. And to me, that's Sutton's real problem. Like. Whether that's drinking or not drinking, I mean, it's more about the fact that you, you have these outbursts and they're not healthy, um, than how much alcohol you've had before that. Um, but also, I mean, like, Dorit is saying she's a drinker. I mean, Sutton drinks at every scene we've ever seen her in. So I understand that, Sutton wants an apology and maybe she deserves one. But at the same time, like I'm struggling with like understanding where like Dorit was entirely wrong either. Well, DeRae definitely does have, with Sutton particularly, which is interesting because we see it again if we go back to that initial fight in the first season that Sutton came on and the, like, let the mouse go where it did feel like Dorit was trying to push Sutton's buttons and it felt that way in this scene where it's like she comes to the party, uh, She says this thing after coming off of a reunion where Dorit did, Dorit and Kyle, but Dorit did make insinuations that Sutton may have Might be an alcoholic and then makes this comment. It does feel like she's trying intentionally to push Sutton's button. I think. Dorit sometimes kind of seems dumb but is actually really smart and I think Dorit sees that Sutton is someone who when you push their buttons they act out in ways that are Erratic and that can benefit the other person when there is conflict going on like if you're the one kind of acting out, and I'm staying calm like who looks like the bad guy here the one who's acting out the one who's like. Getting hysterical. in that whole scene at the Fourth of July party, Dorit was remaining really calm the whole time. And it made... Sutton looked more erratic, like, more, and it, and I think it made Sutton more and more erratic that Dorit was calm and, like, okay, leave, like, don't call me a bitch in my house and go, like, whatever, like, No, I totally agree. I think Dorit has been having a stellar season and being very authentic and like showing a lot of her life and in a way that I haven't seen. So I've given her a lot of credit, but I think I liked the way they edited That handbag exchange because it was so awkward and cringe and I was like, what is happening that I kind of do see Sutton's side like she was poking at Sutton like intentionally. Um, in a way that was really awkward and I actually think- And look, Sutton is still responsible for her behavior, right? Like, acting out in this way that she was acting out is very juvenile and very- Like, like a child having a tantrum and, you know, you're a grown woman. Like, yes, I can see where these comments and these things could be triggering and upsetting for you. And if you wanted to leave, you should have just left and not Stood by her doorway crying, trying to, you know, garner attention and garner favor so that people see you as the victim and the other person as the bad guy. And like, I don't know, that doesn't feel good either. So to me, it's like neither of, they're both kind of behaving pretty badly this season and a lot of like. In different ways, but like in their own ways, they're like behaving from this part of themselves that is truly trying to seek Attention and trying to, like, seek something that, like, there's got to be better ways to get this need met. Well, and I think her calling Dorit a bitch was not nice, but like the like what she said to Sutton about her drinking maybe did justify a like, you're just being a bitch. Because I mean, even with the handbag, like you are just kind of being a bitch. Right. Yeah, you shouldn't call someone a bitch in their own home or whatever. But I felt like by Dorit saying that, like it initially shut her down and was like she knew Sutton's reaction. And to me, I feel like. How calculated is Dorit because a part of me is like, okay, she knew if she could poke Sutton that she could get her to storm out. And then she could use the same argument on Sutton that Sutton used on Kyle about leaving Bose's party and saying, oh, look at you do the same thing. We're seeing Dorit really like sit back and be like, she goes so low, like how calm she was in that caviar caspia and being like, she goes so low. It's strategic. Like there is definitely like An element where I'm like, okay, this is a different Dorit because the Dorit we saw in the past, like with Garcella or something, she would go on and on and on with these like monologues, right? And we're not seeing this. So to me, I'm like... She like watched herself and studied and like realized where she was ineffective. And I think she also recognized that she was falling out of favor with. The cast with the fans and needed to show up differently this season. Like I know a lot of people think it's related to PK and the divorce and I'm sure that's like playing into it. But I think that she knew her job was at threat and that she needed to show up as a different self. And she needed to be more of a chess player. I don't think she's been a chess player. I think she's been like a distractor, right? Like her monologues tend to like distract from her point and like make it hard for people to want to engage with her. Made it difficult for people to want to understand her or relate to her. I think even with like Garcelle, her like intentionally going up and apologizing and wanting to like bring. Like, we've never seen her, like, really try to apologize and connect with Garcelle. It's always been her coming to Garcelle in a very defended place of like, I know you don't like me. I know like, and so her being like, I can't keep approaching Garcelle like that because people like Garcelle. And if Garcelle doesn't like me, it's going to be hard to have inroads in this group. And I think that's true. Well, and something that was interesting to me is PK being like, OK, this arguments that we have, they go so low and we both go after each other. And I'm like. Something about him saying that was really fascinating to me because I can see that from him. I don't think I've really seen that from Dorit. And so I'm interested in like, is there a side of Dorit that we've just like never seen? I think so. I fully think so. But maybe that's another podcast. We should do it later. But yeah, I think that Sutton has a lot of work she needs to do on herself around Processing trauma, both the trauma of her father's suicide, but then probably the deeper trauma of like having this childhood with, you know, a mom who could not meet her emotional needs and. And part of that, I think, requires Sutton to be able to be aware that now how she plays out on getting her needs met is by acting out in the hopes that, like, People will come and validate and coddle her in a way that mom didn't. And I think people are already starting to wear a little bit on her tantrums. I know for myself, because yeah, I don't, I remember when something came in, I was like, oh, I don't know about this lady. She seems like a lot. And then I think it's interesting because I really like Garcelle. So I think Garcelle liking her made me like her. I was like, okay, like, their dynamic... Gives me an inroad to Sutton. And then Sutton, like, Jennifer Tilly is so fun. And, like, this is, like, her best friend. Like... Interesting people and fun people seem to really be drawn to this woman and so there is clearly this part of her that must be so fun and so Great to, like, be around. And I also think she's very emotionally needy and probably tends to find relationships with people who... Are used to filling in the role as, like, emotional caregiver to others. Like, I get the sense that maybe Garcelle is used to doing that, is used to being, like, putting other people's needs before her own and being like, okay, I'm okay with, like. Like, Sutton's emotions needing to take up all the space in the relationship and I wonder if Jennifer Tilly is also like that. Which almost like I think parallels her relationship with her husband who created the Simpsons. I think she's made some like maybe connections to that. I mean, she says in that after show, like, yeah, Sutton is kind of unhinged and whatever. And then Sutton's like, what? And Jennifer's like, you know who you are. Like. Or at least Jennifer seems to know who she is and just like accept it and like be like, but she also doesn't seem to be taking it on and she doesn't ever, at least we haven't seen and she's very fresh, but we also haven't seen it with Garcelle. Like they've never been the target, which I think is because they are people who can like Give her the validation and support that she needs as a way to like avoid ever being like, they probably know like when it's safe to call her out and when it is not. Like, dealing with someone who has those sorts of mood swings. Yeah, I mean, total side note, but I'm dying to know who's, like, spreading the rumors that the cast doesn't like Jennifer Tilly because... I feel like that's definitely one person that's spreading that for some calculated reason and could be Dorit. But yeah, I mean, I agree that she's I feel that she's good for reality TV, but Yeah, I think overall she's great for, I think she is a great reality person, like, because she has such big emotions, I think we need, like, I don't want to see an even-keeled person all the time, and I don't want to see an emotionally healed person sometimes. Do I want to see her be in a therapy session with Dr. Jen and being called out and being able to take that? Like, yeah, that would be, like, cool to see and I think... It would be nice to see her make some progress. I also am very aware that like a woman this age, a woman with this experience, like her level of ability to gain like self-awareness, situational awareness, like these different things and break these behavioral patterns is like And it's not that it's not going to happen. It's that that is going to take a lot of work. And so, like, even if we got to see her on that journey, that would be like ten like, like, look at Erica. I'm sure she's been working with Dr. Jen for a minute now. Like, yeah. We're, we're talking about seasons of work that, that it would be nice to see from her. Well, and what I respect about her and all these arguments and tips and tats that she gets into, she resolves them quite, quite quickly, is able to sort of move on and like There's a lot of things she does sort of take on the chin that at other times in house in Beverly Hills Housewives, at least they tend to harbor on things like I Erica getting drunk at that Merce like dinner in Spain was one of the most hilarious things ever. And like I could definitely see another housewife being like, You ruined my dinner. And Sutton was just like, she was drunk and it was funny and like moved on. Like, so there are times that, you know, I can tell that she kind of lets things Right, she has her triggers she has her things that are more deeply personal than that right like I don't think Erica touched any of her vulnerable buttons and so that made it easier to be like. Okay, this wasn't totally appropriate, but, like, I don't need to, like, hang on to this in any sort of way. Yeah, she does let the mouse go in a lot of ways, so I give her credit for that. You know, she doesn't hang on to things, but it's, and, but what's interesting is that. Or at least gives the mouse, like, a long, like, A long leash like where it seems like she's letting it go and then if she's upset again, she might bring it back. Like, the drinking thing where I was like, oh, I totally forgot this was even a thing. But it's interesting how the women notice these patterns with her and call her out or at least, like, acknowledge them because I think often, like, We've seen Kyle how many seasons and now we're just starting to like understand any of her patterns or anyone starting to understand them. So I like that there's sort of like a very. A very direct journey that you can follow with Sutton. I think reality TV is good for her. She's like very vulnerable. She's, you know, obviously Like even Garcelle going to talk to her mom, I was like, wow, Garcelle, like you're going to go and like mediate this situation. I think you said like you would have cried if you were Garcelle in that conversation. Though I do think also Garcelle was, because people are like, maybe Kyle should have, because, like, Reba seemed to like Kyle, but I was like, but Kyle couldn't do that, because Kyle, one, again, is too, like, blowing with the wind and wouldn't have the cojones to, like... confront Reba in the way that that Garcelle did and one of the things that was really beautiful about that with Garcelle is like she just seemed to be like she and it. I guess it speaks a lot to her relationship with Sutton. Like, she was just like, this is just who this lady is. So I don't need to take it personally. Like, this isn't about me. And I think that must be a lot of how she sees Sutton. Sutton's behavior is like, oh, like, I don't, like, I don't attach myself to that because that's maybe one, like, I see, like, the bigger picture of who someone is but also, like, it's not about me. I would love for her to explore her relationship with validation and why she needs it so much. which is tough because when you're on reality TV, you're gonna get validation, good or bad. But yeah, I would like her to explore that and maybe do something that's just genuinely For her in a way that fulfills her creatively, like a dance routine or starting a nonprofit around dance or like Something very genuine that's not prestigious, like that's not about being on a board, that's not like come to my big performance, just like doing something for the joy of it. And with her dating stuff, it's like, I'm interested in her dating. I love that she's been dating on camera. I find it all very fascinating, the matchmaker. But even with that. I kind of wish they put her on the Love Hotel show. Oh my god, yes. But I'm like, the most interesting part about her dating was when she made out with the driver. And then the fact that they all were like... Oh, she was trying to embarrass you by saying you made out with a driver. And it's like, I want to see her date the driver. Wait, was that Tori too? That was Dorit too. Dorit pushes her button. She has from day one. Like, Dorit, like, knows this woman's buttons from, like, the... It's so interesting. Yeah. It is interesting. And to me, I'm like, why was that something to be ashamed of that she made out with her? I'm more interested in you making out with a driver than you telling Jennifer Tilly, I want to marry a billionaire. It's like you already were with a billionaire. You can buy your own jewels like. No, you don't need a billionaire. Why? And again, like it goes back to I guess Christian just loved you by like buying you stuff. Mm hmm. But like that's not love. Like it's just so clear in her dating journey that she doesn't know herself. And that's her real problem, right? Right. Yeah. Yeah. Or the fact that like she wants to, like, disown herself to be something that she thinks is more socially or whatever acceptable, right? Like, there's this deep part of her that's just, like, I... Like these parts of me but I don't think they're going to be as validated or accepted and so I have to like go down this path that I think is expected. Yeah, and that's why she has a list as long as like, you know. Timbuktu, yeah. I know. Um, but yeah, so I guess everyone like sound off on your thoughts on Sutton. Yeah, I mean, either way, we love Sutton. We want her to stay. We definitely don't, like, by no means are we advocating for any change in her status right now. I just think we want to, like, keep seeing this play out. Yeah, definitely. but anyways, is there other Bravo news that we haven't hit on in the last like two plus weeks? I mean, obviously there's the Karen of it all. Oh God. Why did I block that out? Because it's dark. Uh, well, okay. We had a conversation where I said she's going to get a year in jail. And I said six months. And it's probably going to be both. Like she got a year. She got a year. She'll end up serving six months. Yeah. Maybe less. But like the whole antidepressants of it all. For people who don't know, antidepressants are not addictive. They, you, you need to titrate off of them or you can have a reaction. What we saw in those videos is not a combination of what antidepressants and alcohol looks like. Well, what's crazy too is like apparently she was saying she went off her antidepressants to go into rehab and it was like, what? Like what doctor, what doctor was like, do that? Unless, like, maybe she was titrated off of them. Maybe she was on, like, a very low dose of something and it was like, okay, one month go down and then you're off and, like, But any doctor who was like, just stop taking it when you go, like, that's negligent. Well, also, I was convinced that she was going to blame it on Ozempic because you can get really fucked up on alcohol when you're taking Ozempic. That would have been a lot more. Yeah, like that would have been a better argument, honestly. Been like I had, because I know people who've been on Ozempic who had two drinks and it feels like four. Right, yeah, that would have been a much better argument. Instead, now she's kind of like, it feels like what she's wanting to do here because Ozempic, I feel like for her and her grand dame status doesn't like look good, even though we all know because it like came out on the show. Yeah. But I think for her, it's easier for her to, like, use her mental health and her grief as a way to try to garner sympathy where less people are going to have sympathy for someone who's like, oh, well, my Ozempic made me Right. Like, I feel like the, the way that we look at Ozempic versus the way we're going to look at something related to mental health. Is going to be a different, like, sympathetic lens. The problem is she's using it the wrong way and it's making her look even more like she's trying to divert accountability. Well, and I'm very interested in the fact that like, A, everything I've seen just tells me like red flag, like she's an alcoholic for sure. But then I'm also like. It's so fascinating to me that she has this like totally different personality that we've not ever seen on the show. Just like everyone talking about the drunk phone calls they get from her and everything. I'm like. I don't feel like Karen's Karen's I guess. No, I don't think we've ever met Karen. I think we've only ever met the grand Dom. Yeah. Which is why Giselle gave her that name or whoever Andy gave her that name whoever did like she got that name because there were people who knew like this is a character you're playing for the show. And so I do, um, as we, you know, sign her off into her new journey in prison, I will say, I, you know, kudos for playing like You know, she's an actress. She's been playing a good role for all these years, but Summer House has been great too, by the way. And I'm loving, yeah, we're going to have to cover someone for Summer House. So hit us up on that. Yeah, I really want to cover this duality between, like, what's happening with Paige and Craig and Lindsay and Carl. Like, I'm curious your thoughts on this. We should talk about that next time. Well, I love that all the women in the house are reacting to Lindsay being pregnant with like their own timeline of like having a baby. I feel like it's so like. Yeah. Yeah. Being like, should I care? Like, and I feel like when you tell people you're having a baby, you know, like other women are going through their own mental about how that reflects on them. And I just find it interesting that we A, do that at all and B, how it's like played out on Summer House in like a really interesting way. Um, but anyway, so a lot more to come and, uh, we appreciate you guys listening. 10,000 downloads. Yeah. We need some ads. Yeah. If you want to sponsor our podcast, hit us up. Jenny's about to have our first baby. We need to like get that money flowing. Because we're poor. We're poor eats. Oh, yes. Oh, poor eats. I am a poor eat. We are poor eat. We relate to poor eat. I wish that's what poor looked like. Me too. I wouldn't even mind if my house was in foreclosure if it looked like Dorit's house. Right, exactly. Erica's rental, like, oh my god. Oh my god. Erica's, like, sad house is, like, my dream house. Right, that's, like, my dream rental. If you ever want to feel poor, watch a scene in Dorit's house and then count. We did this once. Count how many chairs there are in the background. There was a scene with her and PK like on a couch. And we could see like a full dining room, then a full outside dining room, then like a seating area. And I was like, she can house like 200 people in her house just seating wise. I mean, it makes sense because she's kind of like, as a socialite, she's probably used to like throwing parties. And I think, again, for a Dorit episode, I do think there's this like part of... Dorit that didn't necessarily marry PK for the money but married him because of, like, his connections in the social world, like, and her connections allowed them to be, like, what she maybe felt would be, like, a power couple. Oh, yeah. I mean, the couple that I knew who was friends with them will like live next door to them was saying like basically like, yeah, PK always wanted Dorit to be this certain level. Like he wanted her on Housewives. Like he fought for her on Housewives. So it's interesting now that he's like, oh, I don't like her being on Housewives. But yeah. Anyways. Well, thanks for listening, everyone. Yeah. We love you all. Check in with us in two weeks. Ciao.