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The Final Doc Mock. NBA/NHL First Round and Dodgers outlook with @RaiderEst
Doc, Marlon, and special guest Est deliver an entertaining, knowledge-packed sports roundtable covering playoff hockey and basketball, NFL draft predictions, and early baseball season observations.
• Est shares his Stanley Cup predictions, initially favoring Edmonton and Carolina but now leaning toward LA Kings and Tampa Bay based on hot goaltending
• The hosts debate hockey greatness, with Wayne Gretzky still holding the crown despite Alex Ovechkin's impressive career
• Lakers' disappointing playoff performance against Minnesota gets analyzed, with Est expressing frustration as a longtime fan
• OKC and Boston emerge as consensus NBA Finals favorites, though Doc makes a case for Cleveland in the East
• Ja Morant's off-court behavior raises concerns about his future with Memphis despite his immense talent
• Doc presents his complete NFL mock draft, predicting Cam Ward first overall to Tennessee
• Travis Hunter and Abdul Carter generate debate as potential #2 and #3 picks
• Est provides betting insights throughout, noting shifting odds on prospects like Loveland vs. Warren at tight end
• The Dodgers and Rangers get early World Series consideration based on their competitive early-season series
• Hosts share their bucket list baseball stadiums, with Est revealing he's visited all but four MLB parks
And welcome to another episode of Real Talk. Doc you doing all right today?
Speaker 2:Yes, I am man. I'm honored to have our guest with us and you'll do the intro. I'm blessed with this, yeah so he's very well known.
Speaker 1:He talks to Adam all the time about the time when he called for the first time 20 years ago. He loves bringing that up every single chance he can get. He's a huge Dodgers fan, lakers fan when we're relevant, and of course, the Raiders. So S in Oakland joins us. What's up? S how you doing, man.
Speaker 4:It's great. I'm glad to be on here with you guys Looking forward to it. I'll let you know that I've never heard about this podcast before. I didn't know Marlon was still doing podcasts. I thought he was giving this up, but at least he had Doc in here to kind of carry him through this. So good job.
Speaker 2:Doc, Not much, brother. Welcome aboard, man. Hey, you're a wealth of knowledge, especially here on the West Coast with your Lakers, Raiders and all. It's a pleasure to have you aboard, brother. Let's do it, Marlon.
Speaker 1:Absolutely All right. So we're going to start off with Hockey S. I know you probably have some bets. I'll just start with this. The playoffs are going on right now, but who did you have preseason making it to the Stanley Cup final?
Speaker 4:Preseason, I did like Edmonton a lot and I also liked Carolina a lot. I thought that both of them had some strong squads, some good experience. Edmonton it just seemed like it was a team that was due to win until they started facing my teams in the first round of the playoffs. Now I've changed my mind, but yeah, so those were my early on picks to kind of meet up in the finals.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right. And as we see everything going on right now as it stands, who do you see making it to the Stanley Cup final at this point?
Speaker 4:looking at the standings and all of that, so what I did prior to the playoffs starting was what do I look for in hockey is hot goalies. Who are the goalies coming into the playoffs? Who are hot? Call it a homer pick if you want, but I love my LA Kings. My LA Kings are Darcy Kemper. I thought he was just coming in hot. He's looked great. The last two months of the season he's been on fire. So I mean it's a long shot, but I think the Kings could possibly be in the Stanley Cup finals out of the West, along with either.
Speaker 4:Probably Colorado would probably be the other team that I really liked out of the West. So those are the two teams that I had coming out of the West and then in the East, tampa Bay. Actually I like them a lot. Tampa Bay is playing hot. They're just an experienced team, a team that's been there before they won a couple years ago. So it's a team that they aren't the number one seed because you've got Adox. Obechkin Capitals is the number one seed out there. Yeah, so I mean it's hard to go against Obechkin because the guy is just amazing. The guy is just awesome. But just as a whole, I like Tampa Bay a lot.
Speaker 2:I love it All right. Well, ray, I tell you, man, that's good hockey knowledge here. You're a big ant. You're really making it good for me and Marlon, as far as you know relevant to the sport. But it begs the question. You mentioned Alex Ovechkin, ray, and since you're a hockey nut, I just got to ask you, man, you know Mario Lemieux, the great one, wayne Gretzky, gordie Howe, you know, if you had to start a team, who would you take right now, today?
Speaker 4:Out of all the players that are playing in the NHL today. I mean Ovechkin's too old to start a team with now. You just sit back and you appreciate what he's done as a player. But I mean I would say right now I would have to go with oh, there's a lot, conor.
Speaker 2:McDavid, maybe Conor McDavid, I don't know.
Speaker 4:Yeah, well, the thing with with Connor McDavid is that he his injuries scare me. He gets injured. He gets injured quite a bit. But there's a lot of young guys are coming up. I mean, you look at Connor Bedard out of Chicago. I mean this is a guy who was a rookie last year and had a bit of a of a sophomore slump this year in Chicago, but that's a guy that I see with a lot of talent, who should be able to bring Chicago back into some prominence. So that might be my pick.
Speaker 2:Well, I tell you to close the hockey discussion out, man, I mentioned some of the names in the past from a historical perspective. I mentioned Gordie Howe. Of course, Mario Lemieux he had some injuries late, but what Alex Ovechkin is doing now is enormous. It's otherworldly. Do you still think the great one is still the best ever, or do you think Alex Ovechkin has taken over that throne unheard of your call.
Speaker 4:Here's my thing, doc, is that there will always be Gretzky for me as a Kings fan I mean I grew up with Gretzky, watching him I think the game is a lot different these days. I mean people will say that the goaltending is better these days, but I just think the players are faster, better. It's just kind of relative. I mean I would still take Dreske over anyone, right.
Speaker 2:If you ever ask me yes. Okay, all right Good job Thank you Mark.
Speaker 1:And this is we go deep into hockey. So far. I know you said you've never heard of this podcast, but we're almost on episode 50, doc, I think we've got a couple episodes left, uh, and then we're on episode 50. But big ant, we actually had a great segment with ant talking about his yankees a giant some draft talk and, of course, some hockey, and of course, eric and long island joins us um about a month ago as well. So as you are our third guest to talk intense hockey with us, because typically, obviously, we just scratch the surface with the hockey.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, and if you have not listened, you can always go back and listen on the Apple Podcast app if you will, spodcast app, if you will. We're not on SiriusXM yet, but we're working on that. But all right. So, switching over to NBA, we have let's see the Thunder play today, daki, as you just said earlier that the Lakers just started. So we'll actually just start with the Lakers really quick before we get over to some of the other games before we jump into the draft. So, doc, what were your thoughts on the Lakers in that wetting of the bed over the weekend against the Timberwolves?
Speaker 2:Well, it was thoroughly disappointing, man. This is Laker Nation and they're at the crib at home. You didn't expect a flat performance like that. The lead for Minnesota got up to 27 points. Now they're rectifying the situation somewhat tonight, up 13-5.
Speaker 2:I got a silent TV going but you know you got to agree Red Ass. You didn't expect that, man. I expected them to go 2-0 at home. They expected them to go 2-0 at home. They're the number three seed. You worked hard to get the number three seed. You had some pratfalls during the season but at the close of the year you weren't worried about that. You're still the number three seed. So to answer your question, marlon, you know where is LeBron. Is he still affected by the injury? You know the supporting cast Vanderbilt, hashimura. You know especially Austin Reeves, who's a viable three. He might even be a two on this particular team, given LeBron's age. It was just shocking, man. But this is the playoffs and it's a series, so I'm just hoping that they're even staying out and take it from there on the road in Minnesota you know, esteban, yeah, I mean I agree that that was just a very disappointing non-show by that team.
Speaker 4:I will say this though, Marlon I mean I'm not like you. I don't look through everything with purple and gold-colored glasses. I'm a very skeptical Laker fan. I love my Lakers. I grew up with the Showtime Lakers. I absolutely love my Lakers. Yeah.
Speaker 4:I've hated the Lakers for quite a while now. I I wanted them to get rid of LeBron back in 2021, after that season, and they won their bubble championship Congratulations. But I was already tired of his antics back then, just a lot of. After they got bumped from the playoffs after the 2021 season he wouldn't even go shake hands with the other teams. Just stuff like that just rubs me wrong. So I wanted him gone a long time ago. I wanted him just to keep Anthony Davis and Alex Caruso after that season and just blow everything else up Anyway. But that's neither here nor there.
Speaker 4:Here we are with this team. I love the Luka trade, absolutely loved it, and I thought, okay, here we go, we're going to have something rejuvenated. But you know this team. They played great down the stretch of the regular season, able to get in that three seed. Honestly, I was expecting them to be in the playing game the way they were kind of playing before the last few weeks of the season, but they were able to do it. So they give us Lakers fans some hope going into the playoffs. But then they just completely crapped the bed in that and notice, I said crap because I figured it was a family-friendly show.
Speaker 4:But, they just were a complete no-show. Yeah, they're up right now and I do expect them to have a better turnout this game. I think that LeBron and Luka won't let this team have another letdown. I think it'll probably still be a close game because T-Wolves tasted blood and they're going to be hungry. They got all the confidence right now. So I mean, everything is on all the pressures on the Lakers in this game.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, ray, having said that, you know, given that you're a true Laker fan, I'll call you a true Laker fan. But it's one of those things where, if they have their heads together and JJ Redick got this team rolling, how far can you go? You know, do you need more from Jackson Hayes, who needs to step up other than the big three? You know, especially the big man. He got out physically, he got pumped.
Speaker 4:You're calling how far they can go and can they retribute going forward? I mean I think they can make it to the Western Conference Finals. I don't know if they can make it to the NBA Finals.
Speaker 4:I think OKC is just they're way too tough of a team, I mean the Lakers depending upon where the scenes go, will probably even face OKC in the semifinals and Western Conference Finals. But you know, I don't know what probably going to face okay, see the semifinals and western conference finals. But uh, it's, you know, it's I. I don't know what's going to happen with this team. But yeah, I mean honestly, I think what what really hurt them was um was what's his name? Um, the big guy from um williams. When, when, yeah, when mark williams failed his physical, that hurt them.
Speaker 4:I was really excited when they were able to trade for Mark Williams. I mean, I think Dalton Connector will be a good player down the line, but I felt right then, and there, mark Williams is what they needed and unfortunately it just didn't work out. So they have what they have. I mean, they get some good play out of Rui, they're getting some good play out of a lot of these guys, but it's just no consistency in this team whatsoever. So I think it's going to hurt them in the long run.
Speaker 1:Good response, brother. Going over to the East, and the only other one that might be somewhat remotely interesting is the Knicks and the Pistons. But Boston's up, cleveland's up and of course the Bucs. They just played their, they are, and the Pacers are actually 2-0 with that one and Damian Lillard I know he's back, coming back, but we'll see what plays out with that. But looking at everything now S I'll go ahead and start with you who do you have making it out to the finals out of the East and the West?
Speaker 4:I mean it's impossible to go against OKC and Boston. I mean I know it's chalk, I know that's what everyone says, but I mean the way those two teams are built, the way they've played all season long, the confidence they have coming into the season. I mean look at what OKC did in that first game against Memphis. I mean 50-point loss by Memphis I mean that right there.
Speaker 4:And then I thought maybe Memphis might have some heart tonight coming back. They still lost by 19 points in that game tonight. So yeah, I mean I think OKC is an absolute juggernaut and Boston Memphis might have some heart tonight coming back. They still lost by 19 points in that game tonight. So yeah, I mean I think OKC is an absolute juggernaut and Boston I mean. Yeah, I mean I know they have some injury concerns. I mean Tatum is doubtful for tomorrow night's game, but still, even if Tatum isn't there, I think they still have enough to be able to get past in the first round. They got the confidence of defending world champions, they got the experience. So yeah, I mean I can't go against Thunder and Celtics.
Speaker 1:Doc, who do you got making it to the finals.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm sticking to what we were, you know, prior to the season. That's OKC and Cleveland. I think Donovan Mitchell and Mobley and the other cat, you know they got a bench. And remember, Ray, about two months ago they went to Boston TD Garden and we fell down 22 points and came back in the second half and won. That means a lot. That carryover means a lot. You know, it's not because I hate the Celtics more respect to them because they won it all last year. But I think there's something about this Cleveland team in the East that they could do some damage there. Matched up in the seven game series, they are number one seed for a reason.
Speaker 2:Now the Knicks are in trouble, marlon and Red Ass. I say that because Kay Cunningham stole one in New York at Madison. That place was jumping too, because when they came back and tied I said the Knicks are going to win. You got to give credit to where credit is due and the Knicks that's a third seed. They might not, you know they might go down three to one to that red hot Detroit team. You know I love Kate Cunningham, love that Oklahoma State and the West. That's where they have to do the two-mall and OKC is just too tough.
Speaker 2:But living out here in LA and ready to have some basketball, the Clippers have shocked people. You know 37 games played by Quine Leonard and it looks like he has fresh legs, man. You know we all frown on the low management and Quine Leonard's history of injuries. But this guy's balling man 39 last night. And we know the history of James Harden Falling apart and blowing up in a hot spot, a big spot. And here they are. You know took one in Denver. Now Denver has some internal issues, the five to coach, with three games left in the season. Who knows what's going on in that locker room. But Murray and Joker did play and so did KCP I mean Porter, you know. So you know I got to give the Clippers credit. You know this is Lake of Town. But, ray Desch, I think you'll agree this is shocking to see what's going on with the Clippers and they're like 18-3, 19-3 the last 22 games and the Lakers beat them. But you know, just keep one eye on the Clippers and see how far they can go.
Speaker 4:Your take. Yeah, no, I'm not really that shocked by the Clippers. I think they have the pedigree with the players to make a long run if those players' heads are in the game. And for the Clippers, for a lot of those players it's just completely mental with Kawhi and with Harden, if those guys can keep their head in the game then yeah, I think they can go far.
Speaker 4:I'm not a big fan of Chris Dunn, though. I think Chris Dunn is more of a liability on that team than anything else. But I mean I'll put it this way when the Nuggets were kind of really backpedaling into the playoffs, I was ready to bet against the Nuggets first round. Once they fired Malone, I couldn't bet against the Nuggets anymore, just because I felt that that was going to rejuvenate the team a little bit. Of course I think Jokic had to sign off on that firing, so they're going to get a new blood. I mean a lot of people have been high on Coach Adleman for quite a long time, so they want to see what he has. So I mean this is him trying to win a job essentially. So I mean I think if he has a good showing then he's going to be able to be that head coach of Denver, and I'm not going to be surprised if this series goes seven games.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I hear you, man Marlon, real quick before you move on. You know Johnny Moran from Memphis. They drafted this guy four or five years ago to be the leader, to be the man, to be somewhat of a team player. And this guy, all he does is a distraction. He's been suspended two or three times and he does the gun salute and exploding bomb and he had to get blasted two games in a row. How far is Memphis going to be putting up with it? It's a talent, he shows flashes, but can they realistically think that John Moran is what they want? To take him to the next level? Because this is embarrassing man, yeah.
Speaker 1:Me personally. Obviously, it's tough whenever you have a talent that's like that. Obviously, if he was a guy on the bench or a role player, it would be a different story. But because he is that damn great and, in my opinion, he has not peaked yet. He's only going to get better. He's a knucklehead, he wants to be a thug and a gangster and this and that, but it's like you won, you won and you're out. Of. You have a mansion, you have this, you have, you won and you're out. Of. You have a mansion, you have this, you have that.
Speaker 1:Why do you want to go back to that life and act like and hang around with certain people and Instagram Live and guns Like why do you want to be around? It doesn't make any sense to me, but I guess that's his way of solidifying himself, making himself feel better, feel cool, feel whatever, but it's. I mean, he is a great talent. Great talent, obviously, and he hasn't reached his potential and, um, you know it's, they'll put up with it. He'll just keep getting fined, but you're not gonna let go unless you do something. You know, uh, henry ruggs, ish, um, you know something stupid like that. You know they're gonna put up with him. If he just wants to be a fake thug, they'll just. They'll just put up with it well where it where it is.
Speaker 2:your take on that, because that particular draft with Zion Fat Boy in New Orleans and John Morant being number two, that was a waste. That's a waste man, especially Zion. I'm a big man and I played this position. You might not see him play 82 games the rest of his career. They shut him down at the end of this year because of his hurt. But John Morant is the face of the league, should be the face of the league. He's handsome, talented. Your take on him real quick, morant. I mean right ahead.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean, like Marlon said, I mean you've got all the talent in the world, you won the lottery, you are one of the few people on this planet that can play in the NBA and you're just absolutely throwing it all away. It makes no sense to me, but I mean you got a lot of people around him that are not giving him the best advice, I guess, and it's just really sad. I mean you look at that whole draft class and a lot of the first-rounders aren't even in the NBA anymore. That entire draft class was just such crap. And I mean, honestly, maybe the best player out of that draft is Tyler Hero. Yeah, that's right, but yeah, he's just a complete knucklehead. Would I want him on my team as a player? Yes, would I want that headache and distraction? Hell, no, there's no way I would want that on my team. But yeah, it goes to show that a lot of these guys, they have God-given talent with nothing between their ears.
Speaker 2:Yeah, good response, brother. Back to you, mark, good job.
Speaker 1:All right, and so just tuning in. Right now, the Lakers are up 25-10. So up by 15. It looks like they might run away with this one and we'll just see what happens in Minnesota if the Lakers can handle business, All right. So, everybody, the draft is two days away. We've been going at this for what? Six months now. This draft, Doc. So just talking about some of these guys and where they're going to end up, just all that stuff. So, Doc, you finally released your Doc Mock on Twitter, so if you have not checked that out, go ahead and check that out.
Speaker 2:Is it Melanor? Is your Twitter name Doc is?
Speaker 1:melanmorecom. Well, not your email doc.
Speaker 2:Oh, oh yeah. That's my twitter handle melanmore. Yes, oh yes, I'm still in the 70s, right excuse me and, if you don't mind me, asking what.
Speaker 4:What does that handle mean? Anyway, you're, you're dr fal, and what is Mellon Moore? That is true.
Speaker 2:Well, that's my wife, Melissa, and her handle is MellonMooreAtEmersoncom. I just use that. I might change it in the near future to Dr Falcon, but yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, marlon, your goal before the start of football season is get Dr a new Twitter handle, a new email. Okay, all right. He can have that email.
Speaker 1:Nobody cares about the email, but yeah, we'll see if we work on that Twitter handle. Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1:So yeah, so that is on Twitter. So yeah, we're just going to hop right into it. S I know you said you have some bets that you have as far as the first round of the draft. So, as we go through these picks, if you have a team or a person that you have, just go ahead and spit out whatever bet that you have. So, all right, I believe the first pick, obviously Doc is obvious. You know who is Tennessee taking number one, sam Ward, brother, doc is obvious.
Speaker 2:You know who is Tennessee taking? Number one? Tam Ward brother Quarterback, university of Miami. His size, 6'2", 215, 220, something like that Armed talent. He was off the charts. He could move around in the pocket. He played mostly in the shotgun at UM, coming from Washington State. But the guy has it all. He could play on the center and showed that in his workouts and in some of the other plays that he had worked him out. So he's going number one to Tennessee. The Mayo boy that was a mistake three years ago. So that quarterback, the incumbent, so yeah that boy, All right.
Speaker 1:And then, as we go to number two, this is where I think it gets a little interesting. You know Cleveland, they obviously need a quarterback, need some help in the offensive line running back receiver too as well. Who do you think Cleveland takes at number two?
Speaker 2:I think it's going to be Abdul Carter, but you can make the argument. Travis Hunter is going to Cleveland. The reason I say Abdul Carter, gentlemen, is because the edge rushers in that division is important. You're in a division with Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow, with all that offense, and opposite Miles Garrett. I put Abdul Carter there. I can understand Travis Hunter. You know the GM said he's like Otani or Babe Ruth or whatever, and that's fair. But this is the league, this ain't college. We'll see how it goes playing both ways in the 17-game season. But to answer your question, abdul Carter, okay.
Speaker 1:Est. Any thoughts on first or second pick?
Speaker 4:No, I mean it's going to be one, or I mean Campbell will definitely be first and then either Abdul Carter or Travis Hunter going two or three. I mean it's going to be those are the top three.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then going to number three, shador Sanders was the top person you know a month or two ago and now it looks like he's dropped quite a bit. But the Giants they obviously do have two quarterbacks Still need a quarterback as far as the future, need a little help on the offensive line, running back and some interior defensive line. So who do you? Got Doc for the New York Football Giants at number three?
Speaker 2:I got them going Travis Hunter man, because this is New York, you know this is a big city and Travis Hunter's not afraid of the big spot. He was number one recruit in the country just three years ago or four years ago and went to Jackson State and then transferred the last two years with Colorado and Coast Prime. So I got them taken without all the smoke screen. This is a pure athlete in the draft that we've seen in the last 20, 25 years. You know the hand-eye coordination is otherworldly, ray or S. So I got him going number three to the Giants, you know big city.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right, esteban, any thoughts?
Speaker 4:No, I mean, I can't argue with that. I mean, travis Hunter, the guy's a, he's a generational talent. He can play. I mean, the only thing is he wants to play both ways. And you just got to wonder, over a 16 game season, especially for a team that's as bad as the New York Giants, if that's actually smart to have him go both ways. Just tell him that, hey, we'll have certain packages for you here and there, but that's it. It's not going to be you on the field constantly, yep.
Speaker 1:All right. So as we go to number four, the Patriots, giants and Patriots spent a lot of money in free agency. Some would say Patriots won that. So Patriots are number four. Of course need help getting that offensive line together. They need a weapon. I think we thought that shoot. What is his name? Dk Metcalf may go there. We thought we're hearing AJ Brown trade rumors there. So where do you see the New England Patriots picking at four, doc?
Speaker 2:I got to go on Will Campbell, the preeminent offensive lineman in the draft man. Will Campbell is a former LSU All-American, first-team All-American, two-time All-American. I don't care about his short arms. You pull other men to tackle to protect the franchise quarterback, drake May, and you take it from there. You can draft a running back in the second round. I've heard Ashton Gentry. I even heard Ted Toyer or McMillan to give him a big weapon. But remember they've got Stevens that running back and he's serviceable. But you've got to go tackle. I think the last game, ray, that Edson Marlin, craig May did suffer an injury and didn't play. I think the kid that stepped in there I forget his name but they traded him off with a big arm. But I'm going Will Campbell for the Patriots to protect Drake May.
Speaker 1:Okay all right. And then number five, we've got Jacksonville Jaguars, and some would say this is where the draft begins, with this fifth pick. So Jacksonville needs a lot of weapons, a lot on the defensive line. They definitely need some receiver help too. So where do you have?
Speaker 2:Jacksonville picking Doc. I got to go on Mason Graham, the big wrestler, big defensive tackle, out of Michigan. You know, 315, 6'2" and he's one of those guys that uses leverage, uses strength and he can actually pass rush a little bit. They drafted Trevon Walker out of Georgia, the top pick, a few years ago and you know they got to help that defensive line man in Jacksonville and you can move weapons also in the second round. So Mason Graham goes number five to Jacksonville.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right, and then S Go ahead. Yes.
Speaker 4:What's interesting, real quick, about Mason Graham. So this is probably one of the first bets I can talk about. So this is probably one of the first bets I can talk about is that last week I did bet Mason Graham under 6.5 in draft position. It was minus 150 for that. What's happened now is, with all this possible trade talk going on with Jacksonville, a lot of the books have now moved it to Mason Graham over under at 5.5 because they're wondering whether or not Jacksonville is going to trade that pick and if Ashton Genting is going to end up going number five. So now, if you look at a lot of the books, mason Graham is over 5.5, is minus 300. So that's saying that a lot of these books are thinking that Jacksonville will probably trade out of that spot or maybe even stay there and take Genting instead. I think this is where you're going to be seeing Ashton Genting come into play with 5 and 6.
Speaker 2:That's interesting, ray. That's a good point on that man from a gambling standpoint. But I think Jacksonville, from the outside looking in, should stay where they're at. They need players, they need bodies, you know, and you know you need premier bodies. But it goes noted. Raider, that's a good job.
Speaker 1:All right, and then S, we're going to go ahead and kick this over to you. And then, raiders, you need help in every position. I mean we can go from the quarterback, offensive line, receiver, tight end. You're okay in tight end, but defensive anywhere you can think of even the punter. I think you had a black punter at one point. So you know who are the Raiders going to get at number six? Who do you want? Who do you think you guys are going to get?
Speaker 4:Oh, I mean, if genti isn't taking the five, it's going to be, uh, ashton genti going, which I'm fine with. I mean, he's a, he's a, a safe on barkley. He is uh. Jameer gives some last year in the draft. He is the difference maker at running back. Um, I mean, I think, uh, if they're able to trade down out of that spot, I'd be happy with that as well. But I think I would also be happy with Mason Graham too. I think Mason Graham is the kind of player that could be Aaron Donald-esque. I'm not going to say he's Aaron Donald, but he could be that kind of player where he takes up a couple of guards trying to block him from that inside position, freeing up Crosby on the outside and just giving a lot more opportunities for that defensive line to wreak havoc. Okay.
Speaker 2:Ashton Gentry is the kind of player, marlon, that can change the fortunes of a franchise, especially with the new quarterback, geno Smith. It's one of those things where Pete Carroll had Marshawn Lynch in the Pacific Northwest. You bring Ashton Gentry to Vegas and go with Brock Bowles, who's an all-pro, and his rookie a tight end. Now you've got something, because the Raiders do have a decent offensive lining. Colton Miller at left tackle on the Raiders, I think you'd agree, man, the offensive line performed admirably well. So you add Ashton Jry to that and it's all world. The only thing I would say to help out Max Crosby, if you go, jalen Walker's edge or defense or maybe a corner. So that would be my 1A or 1B if you will. If you go Will Johnson or something like that on the back end, but offense fails, you've got to score.
Speaker 4:Here's the other thing I was also thinking about.
Speaker 2:Doc.
Speaker 4:You've got to score. Here's the other thing I was also thinking about, doc, is the tackle out of Missouri.
Speaker 2:Mimbau, yeah, armin Mimbau, yeah Mimbau.
Speaker 4:With him. I think in the NFL he's going to be a better right tackle than he will be a left tackle. So if you're able to get a contract for Colton Miller and make him happy, you put Embau on the right side, you have two bookend tackles right there for the next 10 years. That will really help Because I mean, geno Smith isn't going to be there for very long. You're going to have a young guy coming in soon to take over this team and you're going to need that offensive line solidified. So if you're looking down the line and you go and bow there at the six pick especially if Jenji's on I wouldn't have a problem with that either.
Speaker 2:Well, that's fair. I'm going to say something real quick. Remember this running back draft class is deep. You've got two kids from Ohio State, quentin Judkins, and then you've got Ferris and Henderson, I think is his name. Henderson has more speed, you know you worry about injury, but that's good. If you attack the line he'll come back in the second round ready to ask and get you running back. Yeah, that'll be a good job on that. Yeah good point Okay all right.
Speaker 1:And then now we go to number seven, the New York football Jets. Rodgers gone, Adams is gone. I think we signed Tyler Conkley, I believe his name is for a tight end. Definitely needs some help on the offensive line. Defense, too, as well, needs some help on that defensive line. So, Doc, who do you have the Jets picking at seven?
Speaker 2:To be honest with you, I got him taking Jalen Walker out of Georgia. This guy can play off the ball or he can play in space, but he did his damage against two Texas games last year, having five total sacks. So you can rush him and play him all over the field. Former Buckets Award winner this past season. So I'm biased because he went to Georgia. Given that Aaron Glenn is a defensive guy, I just don't think he'll take Will Johnson that high at seven or something like that, Maybe a tight end. So let's say Jalen Walker, to be honest with you, and 1B or 1A would be Tyler Warren, the Penn State tight end. But I think Jalen Walker is the answer here. Remember they're in the division with Josh Allen, the MVP of the league. Yes, he was.
Speaker 1:Yep, Yep and then S. I'll get your opinion on these last two picks. After this. The Carolina Panthers are picking number eight. They have eight picks in the first five rounds. Just a ton of picks. So they obviously need help, definitely on the defensive side. So who do you think the Panthers are going for, Doc?
Speaker 2:Wow, the young quarterback, Bryce Young, needs a target ball in the radar. I think Tyler Warren, the big tight end, to help out whatever he has as a receiver. You can't go wrong there. You saw what Brock Bowers did as a rookie, Bryce Young was the first pick in the draft for a reason. I think the big tight end, who's an athlete, played everywhere and I just landed at Penn State. I think he's going to be a 6'6". You know, to help out the young quarterback.
Speaker 1:Okay S thoughts on the Jets pick and the Panthers pick.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so the only thing is, Doc, I want to get your opinion on this. What do you think of Mike Green over Walker?
Speaker 2:That's too high Small school guy with excellent measurables. I don't know if he's a workout warrior at the combine he's 6'4" about 250. Marshall is a small division school and he has small division. People have come in the league and dominated man through the past but I would not take that chance. He's not even slated to go in the top ten. You've got to go with the sure thing to answer your question, man. Nothing against him. It's just that the big school guy who played in the big spot in the SEC is more plausible than Mike Green, who might be a project. Who knows, maybe it would be a Charles Haley or something like that. You know, I don't know.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, no, no, I just yeah. That's a name that I've seen just like all over the place on these the mock drafts and he's someone I've been looking at with the draft position because he's someone that if he's under 17 and a half on his position pick is at a plus 270 right now just juicy number. I think it's something that might take a little stab on, just because I think he's something that people might get excited about and might want to just take a flyer on. But anyway, but yeah, doc, I can't really go along with those picks that you're talking about. One that you mentioned was the tight end Warren. Now, I've been hearing a lot of chatter and I actually made this bet last week of Loveland actually getting drafted ahead of Warren at the tight end position.
Speaker 4:Loveland. He went from a plus 250 to be the first tight end pick and he's now sitting at a plus 105 to be the first tight end pick. There's a lot of teams that are chattering about him. But again, I mean, here's the thing with a lot of these mock drafts, with a lot of the information that's coming out from teams If a general manager is telling you what they're going to do, then odds are they're probably lying. But yeah, I've been hearing a lot of chatter about Loveland over Warren as the first tight end pick. So I did put a little bit of money on that because I like the odds. When it was at plus 250, 250 and now that it's dropped down to 105, I mean I'm really loving that. Clv. But yeah, I think you're spot on with both those choices that you have in your draft.
Speaker 2:Well, that's a good observation real quick, Ray, because Loveland did stretch the field his junior year, but he had a significant injury this past year and his numbers weren't there, so people fell off on him. But now he's coming back. I don't know if testing in the off-school workouts or pro workouts has elevated him, but this guy can stretch the field at 6'6" 6'7", you know, Even more so than Tyler Warren. The thing with Tyler Warren is his hands and the route running. But Loveland, when he won the Maddie he was a weapon downfield, you know, with quarterback at Minnesota, now McCarthy. So it goes, noted man. That's a good point on your part there, brother, Good job.
Speaker 1:Okay, esten, I'm actually going to start with you on this one. I think this is probably the most interesting pick in the first round. The pick number nine the New Orleans Saints. What do you think the Saints are picking, or who do you think the Saints are picking at nine?
Speaker 4:I think it would be easier for me to tell you who they're not going to pick and, doc, I know this goes against you they are not going to be taking Shador Sanders at this spot. I've been hearing a lot of stuff from New Orleans that it doesn't sound like that, but again, that's. We're just coming out from New Orleans, so it could be a complete red herring and them just trying to throw people off but, I, really can't see them taking Shador in that spot.
Speaker 4:I think they have a lot of other issues on that team that they need to deal with before going for their quarterback. Yes, I know that the car is hurt and his availability for next year is up in the air, but yeah, I just but I don't think. I think Sanders' stock is dropping pretty far. I wouldn't be surprised if he falls out of the top 15.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's fair. Now, bear in mind, given Carr's injury, all they got is Spencer Rattler and some other cat. So the Saints people, they would love to do a standard. The name saves them a ticket holder, but it goes nowhere. I have no clue why he's dropping like a rock. I saw him at Colorado take a beating and still kept getting up. So that's neat to hear out there. But that's a good observation there, brother, people might see Jackson Dart at nine, who knows what? Kelly Moore, but he's got to get a quarterback. He was an ex-quarterback himself. So it goes noted.
Speaker 1:Absolutely All right, champs Bears picking at 10. Need a little bit of help on that O-line. They did make some free agent pickups and I think they got the trade with the Chiefs O-lineman. So, doc, where do the Champs Bears pick at 10?
Speaker 2:Well, given that Caleb Williams did develop bad habits because he was under the rush and they did address the interior offensive line, I got them taking Armand Mimba out of a big tackle out of Missouri. Now he is a pure right tackle, so they need an offensive tackle more than they really do. Now he is a pure right tackle, so they need an offensive tackle more than in Raider S, because this guy is 6'6", 322, and Missouri All-SEC Moves his feet well, sinks his hips, he has long arms, he has good punch at the point of attack with his hands and he went under the radar for a little bit and he tested a 4.91 at the 40. So you know he's an athlete. So I got him taking the right tackle. Armin Minbaugh If you put him on the left it might be problematic, but keep him at right where he played in college.
Speaker 1:Okay, alright, and then San Francisco 49ers. They're up and picking at 11. Mark Bicali's 49ers. So who do you have? I don't know if they're doing a little mini rebuild, it's retooling. If any rebuild, it's retooling. If you will, there's a lot going on in San Francisco, but what do you think they pick at 11?
Speaker 2:Well, they got to take care of Purdy first, structurally, the contract and all. I don't think he's worth $60 million with that guy. But if Debo's gone and then the other cat got hurt, you know the other receiver I got him to take a tutorial of McMillan the 6'5 receiver of Mike Evans' clone to keep him on the West Coast. He went to Arizona All-American. This guy's cash rate is sick. I don't know where all his talk is right there. That's where he doesn't like football 24-7. He never heard a problem like that. Maybe a guy likes literature or art or music. You know you don't want guys being machines, but to say that some scouts say he doesn't think football 24 to 7, I think it's a wash. This guy's a pure talent with size and I already referenced his catch radius. Yeah, about perfect.
Speaker 1:Okay. Thoughts on that.
Speaker 4:What's interesting, though real quick, about this one, is that a lot I think there's a lot of people who are listening to that chatter about McMillan and his love quote-unquote for the game, and when you look at the betting market, what's happened is this For a long time, mcmillan was odds-on favorite to be the first receiver taken. He was, I think, at one point, a plus 400. Matthew Golden was at a minus 350, and that's where I got Matthew Golden at. Now you look at it as of today, matthew Golden is a minus 222, and McMillan is a plus 255 to be the first overall wide receiver taken in this draft. So I mean, yeah, if we're looking at the betting market, then a lot of people aren't agreeing with you, doc, that McMillan's going to be the first receiver taken. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, just look at the tape, you know you don't drop nothing. And his quarterback play at Arizona was questionable at best. And he still put up numbers, just like Brock Bowles. You know, if you got the skill, you got the skill, regardless of who played quarterback. So yeah, good point, raider S.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right, and S I'll go ahead and kick it over to you. We have the Dallas Cowboys and obviously Parsons is one of the big things in this offseason, but I think something came out today that, um, that Jerry Jones is going to try to make some trades. We'll see if that happens. Uh, but what do you think? Dallas goes at 12?
Speaker 4:Yeah, no, I mean, I think, uh, I think if Dawkins right with McMillan going there to uh toers, then I'd see Cowboys going offense, whether it be either Amari Hampton or going with the speedster Golden, that receiver right there, you might see the back-to-back receivers go off the board right there. They need some help on the offense. They need to get some weapons for Dak. I mean you got a lot of naysayers out there about Dak, still and always will, but unless you get him some weapons for Dak, I mean you got a lot of naysayers out there about Dak still and always will, but unless you get him some weapons then you can't really tell what you have there at quarterback.
Speaker 2:Good point, brother. I got him taking a Marion Hampton Good reference there. Brother, you know they need to run it back and they haven't had it once since a young Ezekiel Elliott, Tony Parler, had flashes. He might have had a little over 1,000 yards three years ago but they need somebody. You can argue that since the Martin kid at right guard retired and the other guy right, tackle Smith, maybe they go O-line, but I got them taking them out of Hampton at 12.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right. And Doc 13, the Miami Dolphins, some would say I mean with the offense. You have Tua, you have Waddle, you have Hill, you have the running back. So on the offensive side it seems like they're fine on the offensive side, but that defense does need a little bit of help. Some Jalen Ramsey news is out there. So where do the Dolphins pick at 13?
Speaker 2:Well, that's the main reason I got him taking Will Johnson the number one cornerback in the draft out of Michigan. I don't care about the 40 time or the lack of that. He didn't run, he turned on the tape and when they won the natty two years ago it wasn't even an issue, or a year ago. So I got him taking Will Johnson. As you referenced, marlon, nothing wrong with the offense, even though there was some noise about Tyreek Hill, but Jalen Ramsey's tripping, or they're tripping with Jalen Ramsey. They need a corner back Again. This is a team that's in the AFC East that plays against Josh Allen. So defense, defense, defense. They can score from time to time, but they got blown out at home because they couldn't stop Josh Allen. So Will Johnson's my pick.
Speaker 1:Okay, and then we have the Colts at 14. Need a little bit of help everywhere in the trenches. So what do you think the Colts pick at 14?
Speaker 2:Well, I got them taking the big safety from South Carolina, nick Iminori. He tested, well you know, out of South Carolina and they drafted the edge Latourour out of UCLA last year. So let's go safety with that man because you know you're in a division with CJ Stroud and this cat is a great player and athlete. But I got him taken. Nick Emmanuel, worry the safety out of South Carolina.
Speaker 1:Okay S thoughts on Miami and the Colts pick.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean Miami I can't argue with. I think they're going to need that defensive back and that's a tough defensive back in this draft, so I can't argue with that. But I did bet Indy on this one to go with a tight end, whether it be Loveland or Warren, if they're available for them, I just think that you need someone out there who is that safety net for Richardson.
Speaker 4:I mean this guy, he cannot stay on the field and they need to teach him to stay in that pocket a little bit longer, go through his reads and find that tight end. Who's going to be that security blanket for him? And I think that might be the way that the Colts will go in this draft.
Speaker 2:Right on brother, Good analysis.
Speaker 1:Alright, Doc, as Adam would say, your Falcons, they are at number 15. Some news is going around with Kirk Cousins. I think teams are calling and asking and it seems as if the Falcons want a lot in return for Kirk Cousins, and rightfully so. But you definitely need some help on the defensive side, definitely D-line and edge and everything. So where do you guys think you're going? At 15?
Speaker 2:For defense, defense, defense. Gentlemen, I got them taking the kid out of Georgia. Mike L Williams, 6'5", 265. He's a Provan Walker clone. Might even be a little bit better against the run. The guy that Jacksonville first picked four years ago, mikel Williams, is a former five-star recruit man. He's long arms, you know, runs a 4.75. Don't be scared about that. Remember Terrell Suggs ran a 4.78 coming out of Arizona State and he's a Hall of Famer. So Mikel Williams is my pick here. Man, we need somebody opposite Leonard Floyd, who we signed three weeks ago in free agency, same school, so he can learn under him. He's a little bit wrong. He needs to develop a secondary move. But this is the former team captain and when you got that from Kirby Smart, you know the work ethics there and the raw skills are just too good to pass up here. So Michael Williams with his size goes to the Falcons.
Speaker 1:All right, and then S thoughts on the Falcons' pick at 15?.
Speaker 4:Yeah. No, I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if they actually draft a Jackson Darvish here, since they don't realize they have a quarterback. That was good. No. I can't see anything wrong with that. The guy I would love to see them get is Donovan Ezuruaku, Just because I want to hear Doc pronounce his name. That's the only reason why I want him on the Falcons.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the kid from BC led the nation in sacks. He's a player man. Is he a one-year wonder, though? He slated to go late, but that's interesting, long as he's an edge. You know, I butchered his name many a time, fellas.
Speaker 1:So yeah and S? I got a treat for you. Hey, doc, who is the star receiver over in Detroit? What's his name?
Speaker 2:Amari St Brown. Right, yeah, amari St Brown. Okay, yeah, yeah, that's it Amari St Brown. Aminra Doc. Aminra Aminra. Aminra. Yeah, yeah, that's another name I put you Good job.
Speaker 4:Actually, doc, it's a thing. I heard Jim Miller today on the radio call him Amonra. It was all one word Amon, ra, amon.
Speaker 2:Ra, that's right, jim Miller, I love him.
Speaker 1:All right. So some would say the Cardinals are in the same boat with needing some defense. Who do you like the Cardinals at out of 16, Est?
Speaker 4:I mean I think they're going to go. I mean they need help all over the place on their defense, but I think they might go with the defensive back, go with Barron out of Texas. I think he'll be a good spot for them. I mean Doc, I think, with Barron. He's also a guy who's a little bit wrong. He played all four years in Texas but really wasn't until what maybe last year that he kind of really came on as a legit player. They have so many holes on defense that I'm just going out of name it could be one of like 10 people.
Speaker 2:That's right. I got them taking Shemar Stewart the edge out of Texas A&M. Excellent size. They need somebody to rush to pass you to in a division with Stafford. So yeah, they need hell holes everywhere, but this is a dangerous team man. They put some unexpected victories last year with that receiver Harrison, so apparently the quarterback Murray has gotten his act together. There was some questions about him studying, but I got him going defense.
Speaker 4:I think Murray hired a Marcus Russell as his quarterback guru, so that should help him.
Speaker 2:Marcus Russell, that's right, brother.
Speaker 1:All right. Doc, so we have about another 13-ish, 15 or so picks left, so you can go ahead and run through and who you have for your mock draft, and then we'll go ahead and get into some baseball before we close out. So, starting with number 17, with Cincinnati, Cincinnati has edge defensive problem.
Speaker 2:They can score and they're tripping with Henderson the edge rusher, they don't pay. Mike Brown is known, the owner is known. If they're tripping with Henderson the edge rusher, they don't pay. Mike Brown is known, the owner is known. If they're not paying, I got them taking James Pierce Jr, the edge rusher, out of Tennessee to help that defense. Just a little bit man, because they were giving up points. You know, one time Burrow threw five TD passes and lost on a Monday night or Sunday night, whatever it was. But yeah, james Pierce Jr Did a bang with number 18 to see how it's getting Jahan Cam on a big linebacker to 45 to 56 to Alabama and he just got to play in space, you know, and all that.
Speaker 2:So I got him taking line. He's another Bobby whatever is that long time linebacker on Seahawks. He's another clone of that, but just a little bigger. Bobby Wagner, yeah, bobby Wagner.
Speaker 2:Number 19, the Buccaneers I got them taking Jadar Barron, the Jim Thorpe winner, out of cornerback out of Texas. The Buccaneers need somebody else that's opposite Antoine Winfield. So yeah, I got them taking corner. Number 20, the Broncos I got them taking Coaston Loveland to help out the young quarterback there in Denver. And you know the topic tiny that we discussed earlier in Michigan. You know, helping out the quarterback, knicks, the Steelers, here we go. I got them taking Jackson Dart out of Ole Miss. You know Aaron Rodgers, who we're all tired of the drama queen, they're tired of stealing the quarterback. Mason Rudolph is the only quarterback on the roster right now to speak. You know, and y'all high school quarterbacks are better than Mason Rudolph. This is the Steelers man. You know. I don't know why Aaron Rodgers is tripping. They want him and he's still holding up. So I got him taking Jackson Dart, the young quarterback who might be the best pure pass in this draft. Don't laugh. The Chargers, your Chargers, marlon at 22.
Speaker 2:Emekia Buka, to go with Ladd-McCunkey. Ladd-mccunkey's not a one, he's really a two. Emekia Buka could be a wide receiver, one just walking in. Just one in that. At Ohio State I know they had a freshman there that was dynamic, but it was really Emekio Buka. The last two years they carried that program at that position. So he goes through the charges Number 23,. The Packers Got to take him. Kelvin Banks, the All-American tackle from Texas. You know you can put him at left or right. He's struggling pass pro against Georgia at left. So if he starts at right to protect Jordan Love I wouldn't be mad about it. But he's got excellent size and hand usage, long arms and he sinks his hips.
Speaker 2:Now the Vikings. I got him picking the big defensive tackle, kenneth Grant 337, 340, 6'3" out of Michigan. You know the Vikings can score and I just think that their offense is okay with Justin Jefferson 3-40, 6-3 out of Michigan. You know the Vikings can score and I just think that their offense is okay with Justin Jefferson. But they need to stop people. You know Detroit ran all over them twice. I think both running backs ran for over 100 in one of those games in Minnesota. So that puts an end to that. If they get Kenneth Grant, number 25 is the Texans. I got them taken. Here we go. Ray, that's Matthew Golden man. He slipped this far because other teams have other needs. This guy ran a 4-2-1. Tank Dale is very injury-prone and I think this kid here is going to help out CJ Stroud tremendously. You know they lost Diggs in free agency so they need a receiver to help out CJ Stroud. He needs someone to throw to. That's healthy and I love Dale, but he's injury prone.
Speaker 2:The Rams Mike and the OC Rams number 26 in picking the draft. Tyler Booker, the massive guard, 350, 6'4", 6'5", whatever case he may be in, out of Alabama to protect Stafford. You guys saw what happened in the NFC Championship game when the Eagles ran over the Rams' offensive line literally. And I think Stafford in his latter years were like this Big guard, massive. You know. Road grader Number 27 in the Ravens, the kid out of Georgia, the safety, malachi Starks. You know this guy started from day one at Georgia and this is another captain Kirby Smart. This guy's work ethic is otherworldly. He can roam sideline to sideline. He's a poor man as Ed Reed. You know when Ed Reed came out of UM in 02. But Malachi Starks is going to do wonders with the safety that they already have there for the Ravens at 27. Number 28, the Lions. Here we go. Radius Donovan Ezeraku, the edge rusher from Boston.
Speaker 4:College Good job, Don Good job.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this cat here. They need somebody man. They got somebody from free agency last year to try to replace Hutch and it didn't work out. You know Hutch is coming back so he's going to be healthy, so I got him taking the edge. The big guy, the edge rusher from Boston College, the commanders at 29, is Walter Nolan. This guy is a big defensive lineman at 320, 6'4", 6'5" out of Ole Miss. The commanders lost Jonathan Allen, their cornerstone defensive tackle in free agency, and they need somebody to play defense. Nothing wrong with their O down there. They can score, but they've got to stop people from starting with their defensive line. I know Dan Quinn. Dan Quinn likes D linemen.
Speaker 2:The Bills at 30. America's team, buffalo Bills, according to Adam Schein, I got them taking the receiver, luther Burton III. I know it's back-to-back years, gentlemen, that they picked a receiver, but the Florida State kid was pretty much a bust and I say that even though he's a rookie and he's going into the second year. You just didn't see nothing that could help out Josh Allen. But I think Luther Burton III is a speedy guy in Missouri, an all-SEC first team, he was number one recruit in the country three years ago. He catches everything. His catch. Radius is sick and he even ran the ball because he's such an athlete. That helps on Josh Allen, you know, because Dalton Connect up there I mean no, dalton Kincaid, excuse me, was tripping late with injuries and drops and I think Luther Bergen will help the Bills do what they need to do. Help John Solomon in the throwing game.
Speaker 2:The Chiefs are 31. Eric Harmon, defensive tackle Oregon. The Chiefs is another team that has to play defense because their defense is getting older in the 250 line. In fact, jones is great, he's a Hall of Famer, but he needs somebody inside and Derek Harmon, out of Oregon, is 6'4", 6'5", 3'15", something in that ish. They need somebody in the middle there to take it from there and to rush the pass and stop the run and to finish it out.
Speaker 2:The Eagles, mike Green, edge. You remember Brandon Graham, retired after the Super Bowl. So even though this guy is a project, he's an edge rusher with abilities and he really doesn't have to be a star so much. Because they got Nolan Smith and Jalen Carter and big Jordan Davis to school, this kid, mike Green, can learn another. Again, it's a small guy, a small school guy, and I like his measurables, so you're not asking him to be a first-team All-Pro his first or second year, because he got all the veterans. They just want to bowl. But Brandon Graham did retire and that team's built on defense, you know. So Mike Green goes 32 to the Eagles.
Speaker 1:Okay, I love it. Esteban. Thoughts on 17-32?.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean at that point I mean the draft you're really looking at just best available what your team needs are. I think this year the draft is kind of odd because I think there's a lot of depth at positions but not a lot of stars at the positions. I think he can get guys that'll be solid for for quite a while Maybe. Maybe not the all pros, but just consistent guys, guys that'll just be there forever, the ones who adopt bring your lunchbox to work type of guys and and just solid players, and then it's. I think I think that that's that's where the draft is interesting this year. But otherwise, I mean, like everyone's been saying, the draft doesn't start until pick number five this year. Yep.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yep absolutely.
Speaker 4:But just one last thing on the betting angle, though. This might possibly be my last year of betting the NFL draft, because it's getting tougher and tougher. With the way the books are doing it, their odds aren't as good as they used to be. They would release a lot of these things two months in advance. Now a lot of the stuff didn't trickle out to maybe a month in advance, but not even a lot of stuff.
Speaker 4:And really bad odds really. The stuff has been coming out last week on draft picks so a lot of the edge that we used to have on these picks is really gone because these sports folks were just getting lit up from betters who were draft geeks like Doc and who listened to Doc. But yeah, so it's going to be interesting. But the one final thing that I have is I decided to take a flyer of under two and a half quarterbacks taken in the first round. I think it's going to be Cam. I think someone will take a flyer on Storr and there's going to be a lot of people talking about moving up to the back end of the draft to go with Dart, but I think the thing that's come out is Shuckley Doc. I think Shuckley a lot of teams are talking about, are falling in love with this guy and they know that they could stay there in the second round and try to get a guy like him rather than trying to move up in the draft and losing draft capital.
Speaker 3:That's a good point on that man, the kid out of Louisville, ain't no joke man, people like him, you know, and he's fine under the radar until recently. So you might see some surprises. The draft is full of surprises, especially at the quarterback position. So, yeah, it's a good observation there. Shlough, whatever his name is, shaka, yeah.
Speaker 1:All right, so yeah. So finishing out everything, obviously, baseball season. We're about a quarter of the way through the season, coming up on it. So S I'll just start with you. What were your thoughts initially on the season? On your Dodgers, are you thinking it's going to be Dodgers-Yankees? What were you thinking preseason for this baseball season?
Speaker 4:through the World Series last year. I am still just riding this high. I am confident, I am cocky. I don't care about what's going on with all these other teams in the NL West. It's all about the Dodgers. Everything is going to run through LA and that's all that matters. Now here we are in late April. I'm the kind of guy where I don't look at the standings until the end of May. I do pay attention to the Dodgers' record a little bit and I know where they're at. But I also know that other teams in the NL West are tough. I think whoever wins a World Series this year is going to be coming out of that NL West.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a good response there, brother. That division is brutal, man. San Diego, unexpectedly, you know, is doing extremely well, you know. And then, of course, the Giants, out of nowhere. And then you got Arizona, Got to give a shout-out to the Mets, though Nobody thought much of this team. And here we are in first place in the NL East, gentlemen, you know. And here we are in first place in the NL East, gentlemen. It's one of those things where keeping an eye on the Phillies is a mess right now, as we speak. Hopefully my Braves will wake up in August, I don't know, but the NL West is running that. What about American League Raider S? Your call on that?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean American League is a lot different, because I think there's about four different teams right now that could possibly make runs and, of course, the Yankees. You look at why the hell is this looking in my mind right now? I mean Baltimore. No, no, no, not Baltimore. Right now, baltimore is having a complete collapse.
Speaker 4:I mean they gave up 24 runs over the weekend to Cincinnati. Yeah, I mean, their batters are just bad. Their pitching is bad. Yeah, I don't think. I mean, honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the Orioles finished in last place in that division. The Tampa Bay might even have a better record than them.
Speaker 2:But, yeah, cleveland, maybe the Guardians, I don't know.
Speaker 4:You know, the Guardians have been playing strong. They've been playing strong, and I think that AL Central is a very weak division, but Kansas City they can come on strong, but they too have been slumped a little bit. Their bats have been slow.
Speaker 4:But, yeah, sorry, completely missed my mind. Texas, oh Texas. Yeah, you look at this past weekend with that Dodgers-Texas series that they had out there in Arlington. If that is the World Series matchup, sign me up, and I want it to go seven games, because if those are going to be the games going on, then I will take it. I mean, doc, I think you and I are out of the same mold where. Give me a pitcher's duel any day.
Speaker 4:I'll take a one-nothing game with some high drama, great defensive plays, players coming in clutch when they have to. When you have a series that is just every at-bat is just high drama then that's what we live for as baseball fans, and I think Texas and the Dodgers would give that to us.
Speaker 2:Well, we just had that and that was a great series. Remember the manager for Texas. He's a Hall of Fame, he's great man. They just won it all two years ago. So yeah, I agree with that, brother. Good job on that, yeah.
Speaker 1:Now one last question for you, ess and Doc. This is a question for you too. If money was not an option, you can go to any any three mlb stadiums that you want to, and this could be the old stadium, a new rebuild, any three stadiums and you probably have been to one or two of them, but any three you'd want to go to. Um, if money was an option, where would you go?
Speaker 2:oh, shoot, yankee stadium, wrigley field in chic Chicago, and call me crazy, but I would like to go up to the Pacific Northwest and that beautiful stadium in Seattle. You know because I've been to Dodger Stadium. That's historic. So yeah, Yankee Stadium, Wrigley Field in Chicago, and then the one in Seattle I forget the name of it, you know. So that's beautiful. Up there, though, Mariners, yeah.
Speaker 1:Esteban.
Speaker 4:So I only have four stadiums left on my list to be to have gone to all of them.
Speaker 1:I know Texas is one of them.
Speaker 4:Yes, the one there in Arlington is one of them. The other one is the new one in Atlanta. I went to the old Fulton County back in the day, but I haven't been to the new one in Atlanta.
Speaker 2:Beautiful.
Speaker 4:The third one is Coffman Stadium in Kansas City. I haven't been there. And then the fourth one, for some reason and what are you thinking about, Doc is T-Mobile Park up there in Seattle. Yeah, I've been to Seattle a number of times, but it's always either been during football season or the Mariners are out of town. So I've yet to see a baseball game in Seattle, and it's not that hard for me to get to Seattle from the Bay Area. So I've decided that Seattle is going to be the last one I'm going to go to. I'm going to hold off on that one for the very end, but yeah, so I guess the three for me would have to be Arlington, Atlanta and KC, just so I can complete that bucket list. But of all the stadiums that are my favorite besides Dodger Stadium is PNC Park and Pittsburgh Duck, If you get a chance to make it out there.
Speaker 4:To that one. I mean, that is probably the most beautiful stadium in all of baseball.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and too bad the management. They don't care about winning. They got a superstar pitcher and he's going to leave after you know, free agency starts, but yeah.
Speaker 2:I will keep that in mind, man, I'll keep Marlon real quick. I think, cam, being yours, as old as it is, it's still beautiful in Baltimore. I got some relatives that live in Baltimore and you know that's one of that would be 3A. That's historic. They were one of the first, you know, to have that old school brand new-ish, you know. But you got gotta see Yankee Stadium and Wrigley Field in Chicago, you know. So, yeah, good job on that.
Speaker 4:Hey Doc, actually I got a trivia question for you, since you like this kind of stuff. What is the third oldest National League ballpark? The?
Speaker 2:third oldest.
Speaker 4:Yeah, the. National League yeah because of course you got Wrigley and you got Dodger Stadium as number one and two which is the third oldest?
Speaker 2:wow, that's a good question.
Speaker 4:Let me think, here I'm going to ask Marlon, because Marlon doesn't even know who's in the National League.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's right. I would say Bush Stadium in St Louis, because Marlon doesn't even know who's in the National League. Yes, that's right.
Speaker 4:I would say Bush Stadium in St Louis, nope, that's in Coors Field in Colorado. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 4:What did the Cardinals play before then? The Cardinals got a new stadium. I believe it was in 97 or something like that Wow. Yeah, so the third oldest National League is Coors Field in Colorado.
Speaker 2:Oh, you got me on that one brother. Yeah good job on that one. Wow, yeah, petco Park is beautiful too. We just went there recently with my wife to see the Braves, and downtown San Diego is beautiful, marlon, as you well know. Petco Park is beautiful too, but I had to put Dodger Stadium at the top because I've been there so many times. That's the San Gabriel Mountains, that's blue, that's that, and they don't need any trip on it.
Speaker 2:They kind of feel sorry for me being a Braves fan. Now, if it's Giants fan I'll have some problems. But they give me respect, man. But Pecklepuck is beautiful.
Speaker 4:Doc, let me tell you this You're what? 6'4", yeah, about 3'25", no 3'4".
Speaker 1:Oh man.
Speaker 4:Okay, Give or take. Now, if you walk in there wearing a Braves jersey, no one's going to say anything to you. You walk in there wearing a Braves jersey, no one's going to say anything to you. Marlon, who's 5'2", 110 pounds I mean, he's going to get his ass kicked wearing a Braves jersey, all right, oh, padres, that's right.
Speaker 2:Oh, bless your heart, man. Yeah, good job.
Speaker 1:You got any more jokes S?
Speaker 4:Any more. Well, since we had to restart the podcast since you screwed it up earlier I mean, oh my goodness time for somebody to get cut off.
Speaker 1:All right, uh, s you got anything else for us for our hang up on you?
Speaker 4:uh, I mean, if you want to talk about, uh, this this weekend with the english premier league and my new castlele Magpies, but you guys will be interested in that. But yeah, I think we're good Cool.
Speaker 2:All right, it's been a pleasure. Raiders, thank you for joining me, and Marley man, this is one of the top three shows ever. Your knowledge is sick, especially about hockey. Thank you so much.
Speaker 4:I appreciate it. I love you both, even though you know I only give you shit because I love you.
Speaker 1:I know you do.
Speaker 4:Oh man, I went the whole show without tossing up until the end. That's right.
Speaker 1:And since you did, thank you so much for that shithead.
Speaker 2:Oh, I love you guys. All right, appreciate everybody for joining.
Speaker 1:We will catch you guys next week. Peace.