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The Padres, Chargers, and NBA Playoff Breakdown w/ Tom In Montana
We dive into San Diego sports with special guest Tom from Montana, exploring the current Padres season and their impressive bullpen that's fueling playoff optimism.
• The Padres are showing promise with a 22-11 record and a remarkably strong bullpen posting a 1.65 ERA
• Fernando Tatis Jr. is demonstrating improved plate discipline while maintaining power, hitting around .340 with 8 home runs
• We debate the all-time greatest Padres, with Tony Gwynn unanimously recognized as the franchise icon
• The Chargers' draft picks align perfectly with Jim Harbaugh's run-first philosophy, selecting RB Amarion Hampton and WR Trey Harris
• Junior Seau, Dan Fouts, and LaDainian Tomlinson headline our all-time greatest Chargers list
• NBA playoff discussion covers the surprising Pacers victory over the Cavs and the Knicks' overtime win against the Celtics
And welcome everybody to another episode of Real Talk. Doc, you doing all right today.
Speaker 2:Yes, sir, yes sir, I sure am yeah.
Speaker 1:All right, and today we have this, is, this is we might as well rename this one as the San Diego episode, because we're going to talk a lot of Padres, a lot of a lot of Chargers in this episode. We'll get into the, the NBA playoffs the Eastern Conference right now is ridiculous. We'll talk into just the West with the Warriors and the Nuggets. Okay, see, we'll talk about all that a little bit later, but first joins us. You don't know where he lives. It could be Montana, colorado. You never know where he is, but he's a huge Padres, huge Chargers fan. Tom, in Montana, slash, colorado, joins us. What's up, tom? How you doing?
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's good to be here, guys. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it, and I am in Montana and this is where I'll be for the home stretch of my life.
Speaker 2:Oh, absolutely, brother. Beautiful country. I heard Good job on that brother. Welcome aboard.
Speaker 1:Thank you All right, all right, so let's go ahead and hop right into it. Tom, I know you're familiar with the NHL playoffs and everything that's going on, so what are your thoughts thus far? Just with the playoffs and I believe we're in the round two at this point, but we had some great that. This first round was pretty incredible. Uh, overall with the Stanley Cup playoffs, what do you think?
Speaker 3:well, you know it's tough to beat playoff hockey. You know hockey's my third sport behind football and baseball. But uh, I do love the playoffs when it gets into the this time of year in the NHL. And you know the Avalanche is my hockey team but they, you know karma bit them in the you-know-what. I was disappointed when they traded Mikko away midseason near the trade deadline and I thought I was a mistake then and I'm no expert on hockey, I'm not trying to say that, but I knew. You know Mikko Ratner was a tremendous player for the Avalanche and you talk about coming back to bite you and the you know what. That's what happened in game seven against Dallas. So that was a collapse on the Avalanche there. And but you know hockey, playoff hockey's about as good as it gets.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, absolutely, brother. You know. Let me interject real quick, marlon. I'm not really a hockey fan per se, brother, but I'm a member of the Atlanta Flames. I really played in the late 70s, early 80s, before they moved to Calgary. But what a game last night. A double overtime I think it was, or sort of highlights. I could see your excitement there and it's one of those things where I did pay attention to Canada versus USA for the record. But I appreciate all the hockey knowledge. Keep it coming, brother. But that game last night, from an outsider's point of view per se, that was exciting, man, just being a sports fan, go ahead, brother.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's the thing I love about women, about hockey man, them guys are warriors.
Speaker 3:You know, you see a guy get injured, you think he's out for the year and then an hour later in the third period, here he comes, he's back on the ice. I mean, these guys lay it on the line. But I look like you, doc, full disclosure. I probably don't watch more than five or six regular season hockey games in a season, but then when playoffs come around, I get a little more into it and start watching a lot more this time of year. Okay.
Speaker 1:Another one. Okay, all right, so we'll get into Go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 3:Well, you know, I follow the avalanche during the season and I'll catch a few games when they're on the regular TV channels that I get up there. But it's not a league where I go out and spend my hard-earned dollars on any kind of package to watch every game, like I do my Padres and my Chargers.
Speaker 2:Oh, absolutely Right on, brother, so we'll hop right into that.
Speaker 1:So, speaking of the Padres, here we are about a month and a half in, if not a little bit more. Padres 22-11, you know, doing pretty good. Dodgers are, you know, first place right now 24-11 doing pretty good. Dodgers are first place right now 24-11. But looking at this team now, what are your thoughts so far with the Padres season, how it's turned out here in about a month, month and a half stretch?
Speaker 3:well. As you know us San Diego sports fans, we only know one kind of optimism and that's cautious optimism. So I am cautiously optimistic. You know, it's like the injury bug just killed me. I mean, you're used to dealing with the Chargers but the Padres coming out of the gate Right off the bat. You know Jackson Merrill being out, luis Arias that scary collision he had being out, corona worked out.
Speaker 3:The team held together. And the thing that has me most excited is the bullpen. You know, right now we're sitting with a 1.65 ERA and we've still got a couple guys already coming back. We've got a very solid pen. We've got a good rotation. Pavetti's been a great pickup. Narvis should be coming back sometime, not too far down the line. You've got the king from the Yankees that we got last year. He's off to another good start.
Speaker 3:I'm very optimistic about the pitching staff. If we keep hitting the ball and keep playing smart baseball, we're aggressive on the base pass. I'm optimistic. You know, the Dodgers are the Dodgers, you know, and that's this. Here's the thing, what I love about baseball. You can go out and spend a trillion dollars and I can't even criticize down here because the padres have spent a lot of money last couple years. But it all comes down to that seven game series in october and, uh, if you got a strong bullpen, good rotation, you got four solid starters and a solid bullpen, you can beat anybody in a seven game series well, tom, I gotta ask you this real quick, and you too, marlin, are you surprised that the way the pitching has gone?
Speaker 2:Because from the outside looking in, this is a brutal division brutal, you know and you guys are doing it, man, with your pitching staff. Comment on that. It has to shock you, because nobody thought this would happen with the pitching staff and the bullpen.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm surprised, a little bit surprised. I mean, the bullpen was strong last year but not as strong as they're coming out of the gate this year. And then we lost a couple of guys During the offseason. I was a little concerned that the Padres and saying, hey, we can't spend any more money. But they've put a good product on the field so far and the bullpen's been a huge part of that. Like I said, nick Pavetti's been a great pickup. He's what 6-1, I think, when he's pitching tonight, when he's trying to get through that rain delay against the Yankees, but he's had a strong start. Michael King has been outstanding. And who's the other? I'm missing a starter Marlon, who's our third guy that's doing really well Shoot, I have to look it up.
Speaker 2:Is it you, Darvish? What's up with you, Darvish?
Speaker 3:No, darvish has been hurt. You know I'm almost oh. Well, and I think at Darvish's age, because the same thing kind of happened last season. I'm almost, and I have no inside knowledge, obviously, but it seems to me like this almost might be a plan that the Padres are doing, where they're holding him back the first couple months of the season so that he's still fresh in October.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay. Well, you guys swept my braids in week one or first three days of the season with two shutouts. But I've always loved Tatis and Marlon. You know this. I've always talked to you about Fernando Tatis. I think he's a Hall of Fame talent. I like his skill set. I like the way he looks doing well on that, tom. Comment on the focus relative to Tatis this year, not in the past.
Speaker 3:Well, tatis has taken some hitting lessons from his father. From what I've been hearing in the offseason and I've been watching and you can see he's been working on keeping that front foot down. He seems like he's more patient at the plate than he's been in the last couple years. He's utilizing the whole field more, and then he's still showing the power with eight home runs. I think he's off to his best start. I think he's hitting about 340, right now 335, somewhere in there eight home runs Wow.
Speaker 3:And then Machado. The last couple years has started out kind of slow and then caught on. He always ends up around 275 at the end of the year, but he's off to a good, decent start too. So Dylan Cease was the guy I was trying to think of. The other third guy, yeah, cease yeah.
Speaker 3:He's a little shakier start. His ERA is above five right now, but he's a solid starter. But yeah, I like Machado's been coming out of the gate real well. Tatis has been on fire. You've got guys like, well, we need Jackson Merrill back. He was off to a sensational start, got the big contract and pulled a hammy.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Get him back in there. Iglesias at second base has done an outstanding job going in for Crono. He might be winning that job the way he's hitting, so we'll see how that pans out.
Speaker 1:Okay. So Tom I'm sorry, Tom, real quick. So, as we look at this team, obviously we're on the right path, but knowing what we've been through in the past, where we have some teams with Soto, we've had some other great teams too and we have some bad teams in the past 10 years is this, would you say, is this the best team that we've had, this best Padres team we've had in the past 10 years?
Speaker 3:I'd have to say it is because of the bullpen and the pitching staff doing the way it started. If everything stays the course like it started, then I'd have to say it is, and the chemistry seems to be working. I don't know what the deal was when we had Soto. There was just something funky going on in the clubhouse between the big four guys. I don't know who was the I don't know how you put this delicately the bad apple in the bunch, but there was some kind of funky chemistry going on in the clubhouse. You could feel it. You know the press conferences and whatnot.
Speaker 3:But they all seem to be having a lot of fun right now and getting along real well. So yeah, I'm optimistic.
Speaker 2:Well, that's good, brother. Tom, I'm pulling for you. You know my Braves beat the Dodgers last night. You can't take none away from the Dodgers, you know, but they're a super team right now and everybody has them. But it's more interesting if teams like the Padres and Arizona and the San Francisco Giants who's playing otherworldly in that division. So good luck the rest of the way, brother Good luck.
Speaker 3:I appreciate that, doc in that division. So good luck the rest of the way, brother. Good luck, I appreciate that, doc. You know that's the thing. National League West is loaded this year, so that's good. You know, if you want to be the best, you've got to be the best Now, speaking of what's our outlook for this year.
Speaker 1:I mean we've had some great stacked teams the past, you know two, three years. Is this World Series or bus with this Padres team right now? Every year is a.
Speaker 3:World Series or bus Every year. In the era that we're in right now, with the money we've spent the last three or four years, I feel like this chapter that we're in, be it a two, three, four-year chapter, is every season, and last year we really should have beat the Dodgers in that series.
Speaker 2:I mean you know.
Speaker 3:But that's where I go back to saying you know, as a San Diego sports fan, you learn that the only kind of optimism is cautious optimism, because they're going to pull the rug out from underneath you at some point. And you know, you had 24 innings without scoring a run after having the Dodgers' backs up against the wall. That was heartbreaking.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Right on brother.
Speaker 1:And this is where Doc loves to jump in and we're going to do some history right here. Of course Doc loves it. Tom, I know you love it, and I wanted to make it hard for you guys. I wanted to only give the top 10 Padres of all time. I mean, we could easily do 20. We can go all day with this 20, 25, 30. But your top 10 all-time Padres baseball players. So, tom, I'm going to start with you and Doc, you'll follow.
Speaker 3:Okay, all right Now I decided to go by position. So I'm basically going to field a team with my top 10. Go by position, so I'm basically going to field a team with my top 10. And to start off, I got to go with the first Padre of all, the guy, the big guy that came into the team 1969 inaugural season. Big Nate Colbert, at first base, you know, played for the Padres 69 to 74. He had the home run lead for the Padres at 163 knocks. He held that record until last year when Machado passed it. So that's all you got to know about the big guy over there at first base. Coming into San Diego for our first season in 1969. I was six years old and Nate Colbert, he was my guy over there in those early years with the Padres. So that's my first guy. We're going to go back and forth here, or do you want me to name?
Speaker 1:my whole roster. You can go ahead and name the whole roster and then from there Doc will go ahead and name his and we'll finish up with that.
Speaker 3:Okay. So I got Nate Colbert at first base. I'm going to go with Roberto Alomar. At second base had Biff Roberts. You know a couple other guys that were solid Padres. At second base I went with Roberto Alomar. Shortstop. There could only be one name, ozzie Smith. And speaking of Doc's Braves, doc, the greatest defensive baseball player I've ever seen was Ozzie Smith against the Braves.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Day game, probably 1978. Hot shot up the middle. Ozzie, moving to his left, already into his full dive Ball, hits a rock, does a 45-degree change of direction. Ozzie reaches back with his bare hand, grabs the ball, hits the dirt Up. Boom, first base, greatest play I've ever seen. So that's my shortstop Ozzie Smith Third base. I'm going to go with my guy that was out there playing as we speak Matty Machado. Kim Caminiti gets special.
Speaker 1:Kim Caminiti wow.
Speaker 3:Yeah, great third baseman, but I'm going to go with Machado, Of course. Greg Nettles did some good time over there for us.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Good point Outfield. I'm going to go with Dave Winfield, of course. First Padre to hit 30 home runs at 34 knocks in 1979. Fernando Tatis, there's no way you can keep him off that list. And then the greatest Padre of all time, mr Padre, you know who that is. Yep, tony Gwynn. Tony Gwynn is a lifetime .338 hitter. I mean, you guys know all the numbers on Gwynn is a lifetime 338 hitter. I mean, you guys know all the numbers on Gwynn Over 3,141 hits. Listen to this stat 9,288 at bats. He only struck out 434 times. Wow, 10,000 at bats. You know I always say I would give anything. You know, when they started doing that goofy shift in baseball, I would have given anything to see the look on Tony Quinn's face if he walked to the plate and they tried to pull that shift on him.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:So that's my starting team, and you know the old game that Mad Dog likes to play. You know one game and life on the line. I'm going to put Jake Peavy on the mound for the first seven innings. I'm going to go to Goose Gossage in the eighth and then I'm going to have Trevor Hoffman close it out in the ninth.
Speaker 2:That's good, brother. Oh, these names, man, wow, you know I just down at Petco Park and you know I mentioned my Braves right there and I stood by the wall, tom, and the names were shocking, man, I wasn't aware Ted Williams played for you guys. You know, yeah, steve Garvey was on that World Series team, you know. So there's a lot of names and you got history that not many people are privy to. You know, here on the West Coast Everything's dodgy, dodgy, dodgy. But you guys got history. But here's mine in American order, tom, and it's one of those things where you name a few of them.
Speaker 2:Tony Gwynn is number one, that goes without saying, man. Tony Gwynn is number one, that goes without saying, man. Tony Gwynn was a machine, arguably the better sitter. Ted Williams, tony Gwynn I'm taking Tony Gwynn over Wade Boggs and Ted Williams and all that. Number two for me is Ozzie Smith. He's my guy number two. Number three the big guy, dave Winfield. I loved him before he went to the Yankees. You know, I'm old enough to remember when George Trotman threw a lot of money at him. You guys are crestfallen and heartbroken when he left San Diego. Dave Winfield, you know he could have been an NBA player or a tight end in football. He was a tremendous athlete at that time. You know, I agree with you. I took a picture when I was at Petco Park, nate Colbert, you know, that's four right there. You know, mccovey. Mccovey ended his career with yeah, with the Padres.
Speaker 3:That's right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Willie McCovey. Yep, yeah yeah, yeah, and here's a name and this is, I don't know when it happened, big trade, but Gary Templeton. For me, before he went to Cardinals, he started with the Padres, marlon and Tom and he was smooth man, gary Templeton.
Speaker 3:He came to the Padres from the Cardinals in the Ozzie Smith trade, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 2:I got to put Gary Templeton in there. He was taller than Ozzie, had a bat. People forget how good Gary Templeton was, you know? And yeah, yeah, I think that's six. So, yeah, so it goes. Noted that I'm going to go. Ted Williams, number seven, you know, and might have to put Steve Garvey in there. Eight, who should be in the Hall of Fame this is on our side looking in now, because Garvey did make the World Series and Ted Williams is Ted Williams. That's seven and eight Jake Peavy, you mentioned him. Nine I'm going to throw another name at you. I'm not too privy to the history, but how about this? Tom Kurt Bavacqua? What about that, kurt Bavacwa?
Speaker 3:baby. So he was the pinch hitter. You know he made his name as the guy coming in off that bench. He had some clutch pinch hits in that series against the Tigers in 84.
Speaker 2:That's right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Kurt Babakwa was a local favorite. People in San Diego loved him.
Speaker 2:Marlon.
Speaker 3:I shocked you with that one.
Speaker 2:Go ahead, tom. I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 3:You gave me the chills with that one, Doc. That was.
Speaker 2:He killed the Braves a few times too. In Atlanta Fulton County Stadium I said what the hell of a name, who's this guy? And it was Kurt Babock County.
Speaker 3:Stadium. I said what the hell of a name.
Speaker 2:Who's this guy? And it was Kurt Kravakor. Yeah, you remember.
Speaker 3:Doc, we used to be in the West together. Yes, we did.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we did. That's funny how that worked out at that time 80s, late 70s. You're right about that, Tom. But, if you ask me my all-time two favorites, it might surprise you. It's not Ozzie Smith, but it's Tony Gwynn and Dave Winfield. Those are my two favorite Padres on the other side of the coast, on the outside looking in, you know, from Atlanta. You know I love Dave Winfield, I love Tony Gwynn. You know Ozzie Smith is a two-way, if you will. But go ahead.
Speaker 3:No, you're right on the money, doc, and Tony Gwynn, of course, is my all-time favorite, but Dave Winfield was the first Padre that really gave us something to be proud about, because you know we were coming to a expansion team in 69 and didn't have a whole lot of success. And then Winfield came. He was the first real superstar that we had on the Padres.
Speaker 2:That's right.
Speaker 3:Yeah. And you're right, the Yanke. Yeah, and you're right, the Yankees. And that was heartbreaking because we didn't have that kind of money back in 1979 that paid Dave Winfield. He took off for greener pastures and nobody could blame him. Back then they weren't making these big contracts like they are today. When a man got paid, he had to go get paid.
Speaker 2:Yeah and Marlon for the record, what the Dodgers are doing right now. Tom get paid. Yeah, and Marlon, for the record what the Dodgers are doing right now. Tom, and I remember George Steinbrenner started this madness of buying teams and doing that to know. That's why Winfield left and Reggie Jackson left the Orioles and went to. He only won a year with the Orioles, but for the Dodgers it was mass spending. It was the Yankees, you know. So, yeah, go ahead, marlon, alright. So. So, yeah, go ahead, mark, all right.
Speaker 1:So we're going to go ahead and jump into some NFL action. Of course we're going to talk a ton of charges, but before that, some news that broke actually today the Ravens are actually going to release Justin Tucker, obviously with the whole news, with the, you know, the Sean Watson stuff that's going on. So he's out. They did draft a kicker which made you kind of think, okay, he's probably going to be on his way out. What else? Julian Edelman he got votes to get into the Pats Hall of Fame. We'll see if he gets into the actual Hall of Fame. We'll see what's going on with that. That's it. I haven't heard any news about Kirk Cousins, doc. Anything going on with him over there.
Speaker 2:No, it looks like we're going to try to keep him in case Penning's injury problems resurface. But he's the most expensive backup in the history of the sport. Real quick on the kicker in Baltimore. What an absolute disgrace. You got it made. You had a chance to go down as one of the best kickers in the history of the sport and you do some nonsense. You know, I think they're going to throw the book at him. Roger Goodell, after the Deshaun Watson debacle where people think he got off kind of easy. I think that Tucker, he's in his later last career, you know, late years anyway. Well, how stupid can you get? And Tom, he's a kicker, he's not a quarterback. So it's one of those things where you can be replaced. Go ahead.
Speaker 3:It boggles my mind that these guys can make such bonehead decisions with that.
Speaker 3:And well just to be that kind of. It's just dirty, you know, Act a fool like that, you're getting treatment and you start getting all weird with the women. It's just disgraceful and I don't understand where these guys come from and how they can be that careless with their careers. Yeah, I don't know what to say about all that, but especially coming off of what happened with Sean Watson, you know You've got to be real stupid to think that you could continue to behave that way when you're in there getting massages from these women and all that trouble that Watson got in, and then to turn around and be accused of the same stuff. And it sounds like so many women are accusing him that it's probably true, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you guys realize this, but last year he kept missing kicks that he normally would nail, you know, 50-yarders and all that and that's when. I was like something's up with this. Obviously, none of the information was out yet, but we knew something was not right with him. But it seemed as if everything was starting to come out. So they ended up drafting a kicker, booted him out of there. So uh he'll. He'll probably never play again.
Speaker 3:So it's funny that you mentioned that, marlin, because when, when, when the news came out that this stuff was going on with the, with the treat, with the therapist or massage therapist, yep, the first thing I thought it was oh, so that's why this dude was missing. All them kicks because that, because they, that stuff's all coming to light way before we hear about it.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3:He already knew he was in trouble before we heard about it, and so it started to make sense. It's like a golf swing. You know that kicker, you start getting stuff in your head where you can't focus on that kick. You know it's easy to get sidetracked and he clearly was not focused. Yep.
Speaker 1:Mine was not right.
Speaker 3:All right.
Speaker 1:so we're going to go ahead and jump into the Chargers draft. I'll just ask you this real quick, tom. I didn't think we were going to go running back first, but we did it. Now I kind of understand the pick, seeing I didn't really know much about Hampton, amarion Hampton. Seeing what he did in North Carolina, I love it. I think he'll be a great addition to Najee Harris. I do love that. And of course we had to go Harris or a receiver and we ended up getting Harris and seeing what Dart was able to do at Ole Miss throwing the ball to him and seeing what he was able to produce, I like it. So our first two picks I'm okay with. So what were your thoughts in general on the draft?
Speaker 3:Same thing. You know, the best thing about this draft going into it was the confidence I have in the front office. Now, you know, so I can sit back and relax a little bit, trust these picks Because you know, look at them guys we got. Last year we had Tareeb and Cam Hart in the fifth round. Both of them had excellent rookie campaigns. So I trust the front office. Now I was a little surprised when they took Harris, even though we have a great need of wires here. I was surprised because Will Johnson was still on the board, a cornerback out of Michigan, and we do need some more cornerback help. I'm still waiting to see if they're going to sign Asante, since they didn't really get a corner in the draft. But we'll see on that one. But I'm happy with it.
Speaker 3:One thing that stood out about Trey Harris was his hands, and after the trouble we've had with Quentin Johnson dropping passes, trey Harris has tremendous hands. He doesn't drop too many balls, so that was, I think, a good pick. Same thing with Hampton solid running back. I mean, this is what Harbaugh wants to do. We're going to run the rock and so they're going to go. He tried to do that last year with Gus DeBoss and JK.
Speaker 3:And JK got hurt and so he wants to go with two backs because he wants that fresh legs in there. You know rotating series and whatnot, and I think with Hampton and Najee Harris we're going to be lethal if we can get the blocking down up front and that right side of our offensive line is going to be tremendous. So and we went out and got that big 340 pound kid from Oregon, jamar Caldwell.
Speaker 1:So we need a good.
Speaker 3:I think he's kind of the prototype nose tackle. Throw him in the middle of the line. You know a lot of these other guys. I'm not going to pretend that I know too much about them. Kyle Kennard the edge out of South Carolina. He was SEC defensive player of the year, I believe, so that's a good thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:It's obviously a good conference. Doc probably knows more about him than I do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, tremendous speed coming off the edge man. And it's one of those things where he's underrated because he got hurt a few games, but he's a player, twitchy athlete, he's real twitchy, so yeah go ahead Tom no, that's good.
Speaker 3:That's good to hear because, like I said, first time I heard his name was at the draft and then I went and did a little research on him. He seems like a good pick for a fifth round, I think. And then, you know, got the wide receiver out of Auburn, so another guy with good hands.
Speaker 1:I'm a little surprised.
Speaker 3:We haven't made any real big signings in free agency other than that guard from Philadelphia. But we'll see. Like I said, you know I trust his front office more than I have in years past, so I'm feeling pretty relaxed.
Speaker 1:And another thing that's interesting too, and I'll let you go on a second, doc. We have not. There are certain teams that gave, you know, three-year, four-year, five-year deals. The biggest contract that we've given is only a two-year deal. Most of our deals have been one year, you know, two years if they're a decent player. So we're definitely not interested in having a long-term marriage with any of these guys, unfortunately. And Keenan Allen is still out there. You said Asante Samuel is out there. Keenan is still out there too as well, and you know there's some other great free agents too. But it seems, just seeing what we did in the draft, I think we're going to be kissing Keenan. Goodbye, go ahead, Doc.
Speaker 2:No, I'm just saying, gentlemen, this is interesting because, much like the Padres, the Chargers is in a brutal division man, with KC, denver's on the up and up. Don't be surprised if Denver makes serious noise in the playoffs and the Raiders with the running back and Geno Smith and Pete Carroll, don't just tell us all. So you guys had to bring it. And remember now, tom, I know it kills you, you probably didn't sleep for two weeks. You know your quarterback is the big cannon. He threw 400 touches in the postseason game and I'm very familiar with Ladd-McConkie's potential being a Georgia fan. So Coach Harper's going to run the rock to help out your elite quarterback. I still think he's elite and he needs help running game and all that. And Ladd-McConkie's not a one, he's really a two, so that those two running backs can catch the ball out the backfield.
Speaker 2:You know I really didn't watch the ACC on our calendar but from the clips this guy can hit the home run, in addition to having power, so you can go second in the division. Or you know you can win it Because KC, even though he's after the tackle the. You know you can win it Because KC, even though he's drafted to tackle the division's right there for the Chargers to win it all. You know I mean win that division. You know what I'm saying. This is a big step for you guys Go ahead.
Speaker 3:Tom, I agree. No, I agree with you 100% and you brought up some excellent point about our guy Herbert. You know that's two games, that probably his two worstoff appearances, so that's a concern. Going back to running the rock, I think Harbaugh knows the way you're going to beat the Chiefs with Mahomes and the way you're going to beat the Broncos with Mix. You've got to ball control, You've got to run the ball and keep the ball away from these guys. So it's going to be about possession, time of possession and controlling the clock and all that kind of stuff and wearing people down and I think with the addition of that big guard from Philadelphia and putting next to Joe Altamira on the right side, they're going to move some people.
Speaker 2:Well, makai Bedton had a great year with the Chet I'm with the Eagles, excuse me one at all. And after being injured, really, with the New York J me one at all. And after being injury-ridden with the New York Jets, you put him inside the guard and he was a damn borderline all-pro. And you know I love Joe, all the massive tackle from Notre Dame. So you know you guys are going to have that big offensive line. I see O'Marie Hampton and Najee Harris having tremendous benefits from that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and both of them stay healthy. I don't think Harris has missed a game that I can think of in the last several years, since he's been with Pittsburgh, and I don't think Hampton missed any time with North Carolina. So I think they're going to be. I'm excited, I'm excited. You know it doesn't sound as sexy, you know running the ball, but, boy, when you've got a team that can run the ball and demoralize the defense with that front just wear them down. It gets really fun to watch when it starts working.
Speaker 1:Absolutely Okay. All right, so now we're at the last question I got for you, tom and Doc. I'm going to actually start with you. Do you have all of the positions for the all-time Chargers?
Speaker 2:No, no, I'm just doing straight 10 from my point of view, popular point of view. And you know, tom, this is just from seeing you guys in Atlanta or NBC back in the 70s and 80s. But I got to start off. Number one Junior Seau. He's Mr Charger for me. Yeah, he's a tremendous Seau. He's Mr Charger for me, you know. Yeah, he's a tremendous linebacker out of USC Hall of Fame. Of course, hey, daddy, I had some problems with CTE and all that, otherwise he'd still be here. But nobody wanted to play against this guy.
Speaker 2:Number 55. Number two Dan Fouts man. And before it was Vogue for 4,000-yard passes. Dan Fous was the first one to do it, not Marino Dan Fous. He would throw five TD passes and lose because of the defense with properties. But Dan Fous was Mr Football in San Diego and in the league, as far as you know. And then when you went to Cincinnati in that playoff game, it was 57 below, so that wasn't fair. But Kellen Winslow is my number three fellas, kellen Winslow Sr. You know, you see all these great tight ends now. Before all this happened, kellen Winslow was putting up sick numbers. Who can forget that Miami overtime game in 81? You know? And when he blocked the kick. It was damn near dead. It had to be carried off. Whew Kellen Winslow is my senior, is my number three as far as charges go. Number four and this might throw some names at you, brother John Jefferson, you know JJ.
Speaker 3:Oh man, I feel like Doc can see my page.
Speaker 2:I got it, you'll see in a minute, you'll see in a minute. Yeah, john Jefferson Marlon was a sick athlete, tremendous. I believe he went to Arizona State. I'm not sure on that.
Speaker 2:But JJ was something else Marlon and Tom knows. And okay, so I'm going. Old school Chuck Muncy, man from Cal, played with Steve Bartoski at Cal. He was one of those big running backs with speed. Chuck Muncy, the goggles. You know, this is before Eric Dickinson had the goggles. Chuck Muncy was a machine number 46. And then I'm going to go. Yeah, he was something else, man, 4'5" speed at 220.
Speaker 3:Gilbert is my next one, yeah.
Speaker 2:Gilbert, gilbert Sr. If you had to take a defender off those wretched defensive teams, marlon, I'm telling you, gilbert Sr was a playmaker on those teams at that time, you know. And then you got to go, and this is just off chalk. You know, because I'm a big guy. I used to like Louis Kelch a big nose tackle. They had to weigh him, marlon, at the weigh station in San Diego. 300 pounders before 300 pounders was not Vogue I'm going back, but Louis Kelsey was it. I think there's eight. Number nine I'm going to go.
Speaker 2:Natron Means, man out of North Carolina, natron Means, number 20. He was it man, big guy number 20. I think he was it man and he's a big guy number 20. And I think injury has ended his career. He might be number two or three on the rushing list in the career franchise, but I don't know. But I used to love Nate Tremese and number 10, I'm going right now with your guy man. You know I got to go with Herbert, justin Herbert, franchise player elite. So there you go, right there, man. That's my top 10 from the outside looking game. Go ahead, tom.
Speaker 3:That is an excellent list, doc. Every guy that you mentioned, and I wrote them down there. That's my paper, so you know I'm not just following you.
Speaker 3:Every, almost every guy you named is on my list. I went by position, so I had to leave a couple of those off. I went with Fouts at the quarterback just because, like with everything you mentioned, doc, he was the trendsetter. It was not a nobody throwing the ball 4,000 yards in a season until Fouts came along and started doing it on a regular basis. 43,000 career yards, 254 TDs.
Speaker 3:So, I went with him over, you know, and Rivers and Herbert have been outstanding, but I had to go with Fouts on that one Running back you've got to go LT LeDain Thomas and he's a tremendous rise. And then I went real old school with my second running back, a guy you guys may have, doc I'm sure has heard of him Dickie Post, number 22. He was a 5'9", 195 pounder that averaged 4.8 yards a carry.
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 3:Back in the early 70s, that's right. He had John Hadle handing him the ball and he was my. When I was a young kid he was my favorite running back coming out of the back for the number 22 Dickie Post Wide receivers. I had to go with Bambi. Lance Allworth Hall of Famer 19.4 yards per catch, 81 TDs.
Speaker 2:Keenan.
Speaker 3:Allen. I went with Keenan Allen as my second wide receiver and then my third wide receiver, john Jefferson. Everything Doc said John Jefferson was tremendous. He, he made, he was, he was acrobatic uh, before acrobatic was a thing and he was, he was before. Uh, odell Beckham and all these guys making these tremendous one handed catches and stuff. John Jefferson was doing that back in the seventies, that's right, and he averaged 17.2 yards per catch.
Speaker 3:Only played with the Chargers for a few years had 36 touchdowns. He's 70.6 yards per game, which is still number one in the Chargers' history as far as yards per game that you play. Tied in was very tough because of the gentleman that Doc mentioned, keller Winslow, all-timer. But I had to go with Gates. I had to go with Antonio Gates with tied in yeah, yeah, 116low all-timer.
Speaker 2:But I had to go with Gates. I had to go with Antonio Gates with tight ends, yeah, yeah 116 TDs all-time.
Speaker 3:I mean Gates coming in. Another basketball player come in, played very little football and learned the position and became one of the all-time greats Defensive line Louie Kelcher. Louie Kelcher, number 74. This guy was tremendous. I was him. I had to choose, so there was a line they had with him and another guy on the list, fred Dean.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And then Gary Big Hands Johnson, who got the special mission, but I had to go with my other two, with Louie Kelcher and Fred Dean. I went with Jamal Williams, who was the purest nose tackle that we've ever had. And then don't forget Leslie O'Neal. Leslie O'Neal was tremendous. That's right, yes, so that's my defensive line, my linebackers I went with Woodrow Lowe. Woodrow Lowe was tremendous back in the day, back in the late 70s.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 3:Sheldon Merriman lights out. Yeah, oh wow, I gave Billy Ray Smith a nod. Billy Ray Smith had some tremendous years.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And, of course, probably my all-time favorite, charger Junior Sale. Rest in peace. Number 55. Everything you want in a football player just tremendous.
Speaker 2:Oh man.
Speaker 3:Vincent Pax. I went with Derwin James, current Charger. Got to give him a nod. He's on my list, rodney Harrison. Rodney Harrison was one of those guys. The rest of the league hated him.
Speaker 3:Everybody else in the league hates him unless he's on your team. If he's on your team, you love him. I loved him when he was on the Chargers. I hated him when he was on the Patriots. Gilbert was my cornerback and the other cornerback I'm going to go with. I'm a gold school Doc will remember this name Speedy Duncan. Speedy Duncan, back in the day Wow.
Speaker 3:Yeah, buddy Woo, and he was not only a great cornerback but he was a tremendous returner. So that's my team, that's my, but a lot of those guys. Chuck Muncy special mention. Nathan Bond me the special mention. Nathan Bond, special mention Great name.
Speaker 2:Doc, well done, oh man, but you know, lt. I don't know how I didn't think of him, but Daniel Thomas is arguably a top four run in the history of the sport. If you just go off numbers, you know he led the league in touchdowns one year, marlon. I remember watching the Raider game with my wife and he scored four and ran for 239. I don't know if it was rookie year or second year, so I got to put the Dana and Thomas up there too Real quick.
Speaker 2:Tom, those are great names, man. Sean Merriman if he had not had a health issue he would have been a Hall of Famer, without question. I just love that man. Leslie O'Neal I forgot about. Oh my God, that's why you guys are charged. I forgot, man. This guy was great. Gary Big Hands Johnson, to go with Fred Dean, who ended his career at San Francisco. That was a hell of a defensive line at the time, marlon, and I'm telling you good job on that, tom, good job. Now I want to give a shout-out to Wes Chandler. Wes Chandler was smooth at that time too, with Fouts. Wes Chandler, brother, yeah, so yeah good job.
Speaker 3:It was hard to leave Charlie Joyner off that list, that's right. They had Charlie Joyner, wes Chandler and John Jefferson. I believe Chandler came in and was kind of the replacement for JJ after they traded Jefferson. I'm not really sure what happened to Jefferson. I know we were devastated when we lost Jefferson and then Wes Chandler came in so he kind of came over and saved Well the owner at the time, tom Klein.
Speaker 2:Mr Klein didn't want to pay. He didn't want to pay Fouts. I remember that that was your owner.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he had no trouble paying money for his racehorses, but he wouldn't pay for his athletes. And when he got out of the business and sold the team to Alex Spanos. He said horses are a lot easier to deal with than these players, which I thought was a moronic thing to say. He had more interest in being a horse race guy than a football owner.
Speaker 2:Oh, wow, you went back, brother. I mean, who could forget Bambi, you know, and John Hadle that's before my time. You know, Bambi was a machine man in AFL, you know you guys had some names, man, some great ball players, you know, going back to the 60s in AFL, you know. So, yeah, good job, tom. I love that exercise there. Of course I'm on the onside looking in, but these are the names I still watch. Yeah, thank you, brother.
Speaker 3:I couldn't name, I would have a hard time coming up. I mean, I'd have to go do some research to come up with a list that good for the Falcons, just because I'm too much of a homer.
Speaker 1:That's right.
Speaker 3:That was a great job by you, Doc, coming up with some names for a team that you don't root for like you do your Falcons.
Speaker 2:Thank you, tom. It was fun on that, marlon. Good job, marlon, for thinking about that, no problem, yeah.
Speaker 1:You guys don't know how many people I'm going to send this to back home. I'm going to send it to my dad, my uncle, so many people back home and they're going to love it and this was perfect. So, tom, anything else before we get you out of here today?
Speaker 3:Well, tell your dad. I said hello. I got the privileges of Marlon FaceTiming me for more of the Chargers games they were attending. I got to say hi to his dad on the whole FaceTime, wow.
Speaker 2:And I said hello.
Speaker 3:Great Chargers fan, great man. So tell him I said hello.
Speaker 1:Sounds good, will do, will do. We appreciate you, tom, and we'll be talking soon during our training camp and OTAs and all that.
Speaker 3:Thank you, tom, thank you, you have fun, tom, god bless, Thank you. God bless, God bless guys.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much I enjoyed it All. Right, man, you have a good one. Man, that was fun. Yes, it was, that was fun.
Speaker 2:Yes, it was.
Speaker 1:All right. So, man, I don't even know where to start. If we want to just look at the NBA, we can look at the Bucs with Giannis going up against Halliburton's dad. We can look at the Knicks taking care of business and beating the Pissons. What else the Warriors winning in Game 7. The Lakers blowing three games straight, or however many it was. Or we can go to the Denver Nuggets, and James Harden is James Harden of old in Game 7. I mean, I don't even know where to start, doc. Where do you want to start in this first round?
Speaker 2:Well, I got to get this off my chest and I'm glad you brought up Halliburton. Stan. What the hell are you doing and that's not to turn him on one of you what are you doing on the floor heckling an opponent? And Giannis the Greek freak held great restraint after a bitter loss emotional and you're going to heckle this guy and show him upside, talk and smack. So yeah, he snapped back at you. Giannis is a classy guy. Stay your ass off the court. We know your son is a superstar, even his son. Halliburton said that your father was out of line and he had to apologize for his death. Think about that. You know you apologize for the reckless action of your father, you know. So this is getting off my chest. I need to ban him for the next season, the entire season, from attending Pacer games or road games, because it just can't happen. Suppose Giannis went off and wailed on him or hit him.
Speaker 2:Giannis would have been sued from here to you know what you know, but coming off a game which he just lost. So Greek Freak held great restraint off his cat. You're supposed to be an example to your son. Your son has to apologize for your crazy ass on court. Stay off the court, dude. You know much like um um the kid in memphis man. His father gets involved in all that you know, yeah, john moran's dad.
Speaker 2:But as far as uh, that's it's, it's a disgrace and the patients should have acted on this. They don't want to piss off Halliburton, I guess, but the parents have no business on the court. You know that close the basketball is closer than the NFL. Obviously, the NFL is off in the distance as far as the fans go and they can't access to the field. But this is embarrassing, you know, it's a reckless thing. And if Giannis had hit dude because he was in his face, the Greek freak's face, and Greek freak had to say something to defend his manhood, defend himself, he just had a bit of loss, supposedly a hit dude, dude would have sued Greek freak Yanis for whatever. So props to Yanis for not willing. But what a disgrace, marlon, for a parent to get on the court heckling an opponent like that, you're acting like the child and not the parent.
Speaker 1:So yeah, and of course he's not going to go to any games. He's taking himself out of going all of the games and like, well, I mean, just go sit. I understand you want to be, act like you've been there before, act like you've won before. You know, as Giannis said, said we've won a championship. They haven't. So it's it's unfortunate that you have to do that and and as hollaburn has to go and speak up for his dad, as you said, it's pretty crazy. So, um, but okay, yeah, looking at the warriors warriors took care of business. They I thought they would have handled it in game six. It took them game seven. But this is going to be a good matchup with them against the Timberwolves, which took care of business, against my Lakers, and the Lakers have so many problems I don't even know where to start. But this is the better matchup I think that everybody wants to see. A 6-7 is a better matchup, in my opinion, than the 2-3 Rockets and Lakers. It's going to be a dogfight with these two teams.
Speaker 2:Well, that's a good point there, but I can't let the Clippers off the hook. I've got to get it off my chest there too. Relative to James Harden, you take only eight shots in game seven. You know eight shots, man, in game seven. Think about that. And you're known for being a prolific scorer. He did James Harden things. He did it in Houston, he did it, and Brooklyn Nets did it with OKC.
Speaker 2:This guy's not a big-time player, man. You know Quine Leonard, some of the other cats, you know Dunn. They just didn't show up, man. You expected more and they got blasted. Everybody. Come out to Lakers tomorrow. They were down by 27 going into the fourth quarter in game seven of an NBA playoff. Twenty-seven, that's high school stats, and James Harden's going to carry that. Monarch's a great player. He'll be a Hall of Famer because of the prolific scoring. But in a big spot, I'm nowhere near James Harden man, and they're going to end up getting rid of Ty Lue, because this is back-to-back years now where they've blown up, you know, and I just can't believe they did that, the Clippers. So yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1:So now going into some recent news In the Eastern Conference, I don't know what's going on in the East. I mean, we got the Cavs, who everybody thought they were probably just going to coach, especially with what they did in their last game or one of the games, beating the Heat by 50 points. But the Pacers are. Should the Pacers have a little more respect on their name? I mean, look at what they're doing. Still in game one which is huge in the series against the Cavs, Well, that's a good point.
Speaker 2:Nobody really knows. Nobody but Tyrese Halliburton man. You know, they got Billy Turner, they got Nimro. I think I pronounced his name right Nimhart.
Speaker 2:They got the yeah, nimhart and the guy, pascal Siakam, who has run a ring with Toronto, I think and he's a veteran People are beginning to see that this Pacers team can score and they were scoring at will on the road. Threes, twos going to the rack. Cleveland had to make adjustments, man. You know Halliburton's 6'5", 6'6" he's a little bit taller than Mitchell. Mitchell went off, man. But props to the Pacers and Rick Carlisle.
Speaker 2:I think they got embarrassed last year's postseason. They really took it out on Cleveland, who's number one seed, you know, at home you can never lose a game like that late. And props to Mitchell for having 33 or 34,. But they're missing Gar, they, they. And Mobley was disappeared in the fourth Garland's hurt. He got a like a toe injury or something that's dangerous for a basketball player. But I don't see nobody slowing down the Pacers. You know they got their one and they could do it again, cause you can't keep shooting. You either have it or you don't. And the Pacers, they, they, they can score. I and the Pacers, they can score. I was shocked too, you know, so yeah there you go.
Speaker 1:I look at this from a football standpoint. When people say I would prefer not to have that first round by, or I don't want to sit my people in week 17 or 18 because I want to be ready and I want to stay ready, whereas the Pacers I believe their game ended. I want to say on Wednesday, I believe Wednesday, thursday maybe, and here they are. They played yesterday, I believe. So sometimes when you have that long of a break because the Cavs swept them, they had over a week off. So sometimes you have that break too long of a break, you get comfortable and you're thinking, ok, I won 60, however many games. I don't know if that is the case, but this is why people don't want to get out of the rhythm. They want to keep going. They want to keep playing and keep that chemistry and that momentum going.
Speaker 2:Well, see, yeah they got their age 200 places to do and it's one of those things where the Celtics had some time off. That East is unpredictable. Now the Knicks got their home court advantage. I couldn't explain that. You go on the road after getting blasted by the Celtics four days in the regular season, yet you were down 20 and they showed the gumption. Marlon, you got to give major props to the New York Knicks, down 20 in the third Midway and they came out and won in overtime. People criticized it, but myself included. With the minutes these guys played, they proved to be having heart and in shape for an overtime game on the road in Boston against the defending world champs man. So that Eastern Conference thing, this thing is interesting, man, you know. So yeah, the Knicks got to get major props. That just happened tonight Tonight 29 points by Brunson.
Speaker 1:The game ended in overtime 108-105. Huge, huge game. And I look at it like this the Lakers and the Knicks are going to be the two biggest franchises in the NBA. When these two teams are relevant, it's great for basketball and I think when you have a rivalry like this the Knicks and the Celtics in playoff basketball it doesn't get any better than that. So I love it and I'm here for it. And you know my team got demolished, so I mean I'm here.
Speaker 1:But another team, another game I'm looking forward to and they're actually playing right now as we're recording this the Thunder and the Nuggets. And I'm thinking of Russell Westbrook, a guy that's. You know you like him on your team, but you hate him if he's not on your team. But sometimes, too, when he is on your team, he drives you crazy because of some of the stuff that he does. And looking at him now he's going back to OKC in a playoff environment. I'm just rooting for him. I'm with Chad on this one. I definitely would love to see an upset here and see what the Nuggets can do and make some noise against the number one seed in Thunder and see what the Nuggets can do and make some noise against the number one seed in Thunder.
Speaker 2:Well, I think SGA is going to have something to do with that, though, you know, to cancel out Westbrook's carelessness it's the first ballot Hall of Famer, but he's out of control at some point, and this is where SGA and Dort and Allen this is where they come in. Plus, they're at the crib. You know it sounds sexy, because Joker's the best player in basketball in the world, they say. But SGA had a tremendous year and he wants to prove to the world he's deserving of MVP that he hasn't won yet, but he wants to outdo Joker for obvious reasons. This is a physical team. Remember, they got the big guy out of Gonzaga a few years ago and he was hurt last year, hurt his hip early this year, and then they got Hardenstein and his name escaped me the big, tall, 7'4".
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I know who you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:So they got size and they can score and I love that kid. He's standing but he can shoot the three. You know Everybody's going crazy over the guy in San Antonio, and rightly so. He's a unicorn. But don't forget about the big guy for OKC, man Mark Few had a machine up there and Gonzaga and he's doing it. You got SGA and Thornton and Allen and all that. They got a bench. So I think they're going to handle business in six games Chet Holmgren.
Speaker 2:Yeah, chet Holmgren man, he could be another unicorn. The NBA's in great shape as far as big, skilled, big men. So, yeah, don't sell them short. And then Hartenstein can bang the Knicks don't really miss them, but Hartenstein was a banger with the Kn man on run latch and Harnstein was a major problem for that. He was a major reason for that. I got okay seeing six. That's a good observation for your point.
Speaker 1:I think it's very safe to say that just looking at either, because this is a very tough matchup for him. As you just said, it's no guarantee. A lot of people were banking on the Thunder and the Cavs in the finals. But you can, obviously, with Pacer still in the Knicks and you know we'll see what the Knicks do the Warriors we haven't really talked to the Warriors yet in Timberwolves with Anthony Edwards versus, you know, jimmy Butler and you know what are you going to do defensively. When you got Gobert out there on the floor. You know because you know what are you going to do defensively when you got Gobert out there on the floor. You know because you know you're going to have a pick and roll with Steph Curry, you know, with Gobert in front of him, so that's going to be a very interesting one. So I think that's one of my favorite matchups too as well in this semifinals.
Speaker 2:Well, let's talk about that real quick, marlon, because Anthony Edwards seems to be on a mission. He's been mouthing off and managing to get on and win a title first, before you start talking about the old-school cast. But Anthony Edwards did a number on LeBron. He did a number on Denver last year. They seem to be focused to the point where they can make some noise. Man, today, julius Randle's playing out of his mind. He didn't play this good for the Knicks. He's a third wheel. He's a third wheel in that offense and Randall's putting up numbers. Al Fisker's going to the Lakers by himself, you know, but Randall, you know Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 2:Gobert, who looked like Will Chamberlain, you know, when your guy, the coach Redick, didn't put a big body on him, you know, just to make it interesting, he had 27 and 24. Gobert's not like that. He's a defender and a rebounder, but that's another talk for another day. So, yeah, they got some weapons in Minnesota and it's going to be interesting how Golden State, who really doesn't have size, I think Green is what, 6'9 at best and that's stretching it. So I think Minnesota can win this thing. Now the shooters Butler, jimmy Buck, is a player you know and of course, curry is a Hall of Famer, but Minnesota Gobert, looking like Will Chamberlain man, and all that 27 and 24. You got Dort Allen and Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 2:I can see them winning in five games, man, to be honest with you, and I love Jimmy Buckets, but you know, it's one of those things where they just don't have it. Mooney is tall, but I think Gobert is going to cancel that out right there and he's going to take over that thing. It's a young man's game and he can go to the rack and shoot the three. He's developed up a three. I think Minnesota's going to win in five and Dort is underrated. So there you go, right there. He's very instrumental in what they do. And I mentioned Randall. Randall is going to do the number on green or whoever they put on him and take it from there. Brothers, you know five games. You heard it here first Minnesota T-Wolves.
Speaker 1:And selfishly, I would love to see all of these games go to seven, I mean especially with the Eastern Conference ones. You know that's not ending in four, probably won't end in five, so we'll see for both of those games. But yeah, I just want to see some good basketball down the stretch. Obviously we're down to the end. We got the women's preseason that started and Kaitlyn Clark had a game at Iowa against a Brazil team. She went off. That was just a great thing to watch. So it's some good basketball going on right now. I love this time of year.
Speaker 2:Yeah, uri's had a double-dub for the other game in a preseason game too, so that rivalry is going to continue. They've got some great players in that league. Now, man, you know the first pick of the draft, paige Becker. We're going to see what all this is about in the coming months. It goes noted, man, this is hoop seven for me and you.
Speaker 1:We'll see, Doc. That's all I got for you, man.
Speaker 2:You got anything else? No, sir, this was a great show. That's all I got, brother. Thank you.
Speaker 1:We'll catch you, guys next time. Peace, peace.