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NBA Finals Recap, Othani's Debut, Bills Predictions and Crawford/Canelo Preview w/ Twizzy in CA
Three sports enthusiasts dive into a passionate discussion about basketball, baseball, football, and boxing, covering everything from playoffs to potential dynasties and all-time greats.
• Analyzing the NBA Conference Finals with OKC poised to close out Indiana in Game 6
• Debating whether OKC has the ingredients to form the next NBA dynasty
• Assessing potential landing spots for Kevin Durant and Giannis Antetokounmpo
• Discussing the Lakers' future and whether investing in aging stars like LeBron is wise
• Breaking down Shohei Ohtani's Dodgers pitching debut and his impressive velocity
• Examining the Buffalo Bills' championship prospects and how to keep Josh Allen healthy
• Previewing the Canelo vs Crawford fight and why Crawford's hunger gives him the edge
• Ranking the greatest boxers of all time with compelling cases for Ali, Mayweather, Lewis, and others
Our guest Twizzy brings unique insight as the uncle of Kenny Clark, the longest-tenured Green Bay Packer entering his 10th season with the team.
And welcome everybody to another episode of Real Talk. Doc, you doing all right today.
Speaker 2:Yes sir, yes sir, I'm delighted to have our next guest man Do the intros, brother, I'm ready.
Speaker 1:He's a huge Dodgers fan, but I feel like he wants to give our Padres, my Padres, some love sometimes, but he just can't because it's in his blood. He is a huge Bills fan and he's a Green Bay packers fan, so twizzy joins us. What's up to his oh, lakers fan too as well. I can't forget about that. So what's up to his?
Speaker 3:how you doing hey, what's going on, fellas, how y'all feeling today?
Speaker 2:oh good man, thank you for joining us. Man means a lot to is he very knowledgeable? Love all your takes on adam, shine and other shows.
Speaker 1:Let's go absolutely so all right, so we'll get into, of course, some NFL. There's always some NFL to talk about. Mlb Otani had his debut yesterday. We'll go ahead and get into some boxing as well, towards the end, and, of course, some NBA. But, doc, I think Florida may close it out tonight. What do you think?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think the Florida Panthers are going to close it out, which is surprising, man, because people have been underwriting this team or underselling this team, if you will for years, even though they won it all last year. You know, it's one of those things where we're talking about the state of Florida, a football state. You know high school, college and pro, and then you know basketball with the Heat and baseball with Tampa Bay Rays and the other team. But this is hockey in Florida and, to be fair, you know, conor McDavid, you know, hasn't delivered the goods. You know, hockey is Conor McDavid. He was the best player in the sport.
Speaker 2:You know, some say since Wayne Gretzky or Mary Lemieux or Sid the Kid, sid Thrill, sidney Crosby excuse me, but it's one of those things, marlon and Twizzy, that Edmonton just didn't get it done. Are they going to lose tonight? And they're already down 3-2. They lost at the crib twice in Edmonton. You got to give Florida credit, man. I don't have a clue who some of their main players are, but all I know is Connor McDavid, allegedly the best player in the sport. I say Alex Ovechkin, but this young kid man is going to be the face of the NHL for years to come. So, yeah, props to the Florida Panthers brother. That's all I got on that.
Speaker 1:Absolutely All right, Perfect, so all right. So we're going to go ahead and get into some NBA action. The series has been going back and forth, back and forth and Game 5 was yesterday and OKC did take it. Halliburton got hurt a little bit, so we'll see what happens with that. But, Twizzy, I'll go ahead and start with you.
Speaker 3:What were your thoughts on the Game 5 and just the series itself as a whole? Well, as far as the game, you know you've seen that Halliburton, you know he was hobbled. You know that calf was a problem and he's the engine that makes them go. So you know that's going to be a problem. And of course, with OKC, their defense is so smothering, you know, and they're so long and lengthy and they, you know, cause so many turnovers. You know, when you ain't got your floor general, you know feeling healthy, that's going to be a problem. But you know, as far as the series is concerned, you know it's been actually an enjoyable, watchable series. But you can see the dominance of OKC when they're really focused, when they're really turned it on. I just feel like they're just head and shoulders of the better team. Feel like they're just head and shoulders of the better team. You know it's like the Pacers are somewhat a diet version of OKC. And you know you put the.
Speaker 3:What did Cat Williams say? A 300 Chrysler looks like a Bentley until a Bentley rolls up. That's right.
Speaker 1:And that's pretty much what that is right there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, doc. Well, I tell you, gentlemen, gentlemen and Twizzy, that's a great analysis in and of itself, but you got to be fair and say that the Pacers blew game four and game five, four at the crib for sure. You know, last night we can kind of give them somewhat of a pass, getting their OKC's at home, even though Rick Carlisle blew the game by not playing McConnell, given that his star player, tyrese Hallenburton, was hurt. You know, I mean, they couldn't stop McConnell. There's a lot of decisions that Rick Carlisle, who's won a chip in Dallas, veteran coach, a great coach, he was our coach by the OKC coach the last two times. Man, you know, paces go up 1-0, and then OKC ties at 1-1, and then the paces go up 2-1. But you can't lose game four at the crib, man. And then last night the paces should have won, should have, would have, could have, I guess, twizzy. But it's one of those things where, you know, you let Williams go off for 40. Not SGA Williams. There has to be some kind of adjustment.
Speaker 2:And I mentioned O'Connell, the little kid. He was red hot, they couldn't stop him at all. And then of course, siakam and all that. But it's one of those things where you've got to give OKC the credit. They won 68 games, you know, and they were 29-1 against the East. But this is one of those things where and I grew up watching you too, twizzy where, if you have a little aches and pains, just lace it up and go For Tyneese Halliburton, who I think is a superstar, unlike some other people, for him to have zero field goal attempts. Most of all of his points come up from the free throw line. That's not good. His team depends on you.
Speaker 3:Go ahead, twizzy. You know I'm also looking at guys like Neymar and Turner when they're at home, you know you figure them guys are supposed to play better. I mean, when Neymar gives you seven points in that crucial turnovers, you know that's just not acceptable when you're at home, especially. But as far as you know, that's just not acceptable when you're at home, especially. But as far as you know, giving that game away, doc, I look at it like this um, okay, cj, that first game away, you know they should have won. Yeah, so that's right. So that evens up the score as far as that concerns. So you know I, I'm that's how I just look generally. Look at that. That they both gave a game away. You know each other and that evens it up.
Speaker 3:So you know, now we got to get to just who's the better team and just like I said before, when you go player for player, and one player that's really been disappointing for me in this series has been Chet Holwell. Yes, he missed crucial free throws, his rebounding for a guy his size. What I will give him credit for is his defense has been decent at times where he has some black shots, some good black shots, but overall he's been up and down and for a guy of his talent, you would like to see more consistency. You would like to see more out of him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, marlon and Twizzy. That's a good point on Twizy's part because he was the first pick of the draft three years ago out of Gonzaga, had some severe injury problems his first two years in the league and was hurt this year. But at 7'3", with the ability to pull up a J and all that, I need more physicality to put on weight. So OKC is winning in spite of him. Now little is said of OKC's bench gentlemen, and I think the fact that their bench has come up I mean, dort is a starter. He had two huge threes down the stretch when the Pacers pulled within, you know single digits Dort hit two threes. That was clutch.
Speaker 2:But I think OKC's bench came to play man, and I say that because you know sometimes Hardenstein has been a liability defensively against Pascal Siakam. He's had some putbacks and all that, but you knew what he was getting when you got him from the Knicks. But you've got to give OKC credit to Izzy, in spite of Chet Holmgren, as you referenced, because I'm in total agreement with him and I think they're going to close it out tomorrow. Man, they're not going to mess around and go to game seven with the Pacers and shown an affinity to come back. You know they run and gun like you do in Venice, or rock apart, you know made or missed shots. So OKC is I think they're going to close it out tomorrow. It's more plausible for them to do that, but you know you guys hear Doc's take on that in six.
Speaker 3:I can't disagree with you because holly burton is hurt. Go, go, go go ahead. Marlon, let me hear you yeah, so I did.
Speaker 1:I didn't prep you guys for this question, but obviously we see where everything is trending. Most likely okc and six. We, we see this team. They're a very young team. Uh, you know, you have your sgas, your your your chats, yet you have all your guys. But do you do, when you look at team, do you see dynasty with this team? Do you see them maybe winning three out of four or something like?
Speaker 2:that Wow.
Speaker 1:What do you see when you see this? I mean, they're there, 68 wins on the season. So what do you guys think? I'll start with you, twizzy. What do you think? Dynasty on this? Or are the Lakers or N or nuggets, or somebody at golden state going to be back in the finals?
Speaker 3:um, man, that's a tough one because the west is so tough. But and and the fact that you know pressing the set of such a cupboard of goodies with draft picks and and draft capital, you know that he can use to go out and get pretty much any piece that he wants. But the one thing that I see that's very glaring for the team and a lot of people say it's a second scorer. Well, I don't really believe it's a second scorer, but I think it's a second ball handler. They don't have another guy like Williams. Williams isn't a ball handler. He can score, but SGA has so many duties when it comes to the ball handling side of it and, um, they need a guy that can, that can relieve him with some of that duty.
Speaker 3:And and he can get some of that uh, off the ball action come around screens, because he's such a great mid-range shooter. You know he come off some of those screens. You know, hit him right in the pocket on time, bang, that's, that's automatic. And and you know less eyes come off some of those screens. You know, hit him right in the pocket on time, bang, that's, that's automatic. And you know less eyes on him. He didn't have to do anything from the top of the key with, you know, four or five sets of eyes on him.
Speaker 2:That's a good question. I mean good response there. Brother Marlon, to answer your question, that is a tough one, man, because remember, dallas took this team to seven games, you know, and it could have went either way. Well, okc blew them out. You got to figure Houston, especially if you get Giannis or Durant Houston I love the coach, emi Odoka that's too far ahead. But yeah, they have the potential to be a dynasty. But let's let them win one first.
Speaker 2:They are young. I think SGA is 26. And some of you I know Williams is in his third year, so that puts him at 24. Holger is 24. It sounds good, but you got to figure. It begs the reason that the West you know whether it's San Antonio if they get the Greek freak, or Durant like his roommate, or Houston, or even the Lakers may have to make the right moves. I hear Luka's in great shape. It's just too far ahead in advance. But to answer your question, they could. But I think the West is going to catch up, man, it's just the way it is. And of course you've got to put in an injury factor relative to Chet Holmgren. You've got to do that.
Speaker 3:So yeah, well, doc, not just relative to Chet Holm holding the whole team, because you know, once you start making those deep runs year after year, yeah, I'll contend that that's that that becomes wear and tear on on the team. You know, essentially you know three or four of those runs and and that's a whole extra season that you've played at at the highest level. It's not like regular season ball. You play another season at the highest of levels. You know that we're in tears and you've seen that on those dynasty teams. You know, you've seen that with the, with the warriors.
Speaker 3:You know where, even with the infusion of a durant, you know injuries still hit them. You know when they were making that run, you know they still had, uh, uh, players like uh, clay thompson hurt and even durant hurt. You know, yeah, and that's how you know, end up losing it to Toronto. So you know dynasties, you know it's hard to tell, but if you want to, if you want to say they have all the ingredients in the making, they absolutely do. They have all the ingredients in the making. Now can they? Can they cook up the? Can they cook up the pot and put it on and put the plate on the table? That still remains to be seen.
Speaker 2:Well, marlon and Twinsley makes a good point because these guys are well over 100 games played. And that last dynasty, I think, was the 2000, 2001, 2002 Lakers with Shaq and Kobe. And you see, in 2004, they were so wiped out, they got swept by Detroit, a team they should have handled given that they had Carl Malone in that fourth round and Gary Payton, but it goes noted, man, it's hard to do. You know, those guys for the Lakers were in their mid-20s or Shaq was in his late 20s, I know Kobe was in his early to mid-20s at that time it's just hard to do. And then Twinsy brought up Golden State. Man, you know Curry started breaking down during the regular season during those dynasty years. So you like to think that they can keep it going because they are an exciting team, marlon and Twizy, but it goes noted. Everybody else is on vacation, they're playing 100-and-something games and it takes its toll because you know Denver is coming back with Joker, arguably the best player in the sport.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 3:Unquestionably the best player in the sport. I said it like this Doc SGA. He's the most important player in the sport right now, but Joker is the best player good point.
Speaker 2:Good point, brother, good point all right.
Speaker 1:so when we look at guys like kevin durant and, uh, yannis, there's a lot of rumors around, especially with kevin durant. They're saying, well, maybe miami, uh spurs houston. So, uh, doc, do you see yannis or katie possibly getting moved? And and if you're yannis, I would think you may have, because he's younger, he may not be the best shooter, but he can do everything on the floor With Kevin Durant. He's 36 years old, he's injury prone, he's up there, he's not 26, so he's 36. What value do you think some of these guys have? I don't know if they're going to go. Nowadays you get guys that go for four first-round picks, but what value do you think somebody like a Giannis and a KD would have and where do you think they may go?
Speaker 2:Well, multiple ones. You saw Bridges get five ones in return, and he's not even an all-star. I think in Durant's case the age has to be a factor Twizzy, because he'll be 37 this year. Not only that, was he willing to, if you will be the number two guy, and maybe to Minnesota and Anthony Edwards being the one, Does Durant still think of him as a one? The first option, you know. So his ego might say okay, I'm going somewhere where I can be. You know still the man, whether that's San Antonio with Wimba Yama or down in Houston with Green, I don't know man, it's interesting. He's an all-timer Relative to the Greek freak. He's younger. I would wish that he stayed at East, maybe to the Knicks or somewhere like that, but that's pretty much the same thing. You got Milwaukee, even though Dane's out next year with an Achilles. I just think that if he comes West, being younger, houston would be the better fit and I again would take up multiple ones and some players for a value trade. But who has more capital than OKC? They're about to win it all. It's Chimp and they got ones up the yin-yang.
Speaker 2:Do you really want to add Durant or the Greek freak? Come on, I mean, it sounds good. You know Durant did it at Golden State added up there and they had just one or two. I forget Twizzy, but to answer your question directly, marlon, and give Twizzy a chance. I think you know both guys. You know, ego aside would be a plus to whatever team, but more Durant with the ego, he still thinks he's a one. You know a first option guy and I'm not so sure these young teams feel that way. You know, go know a first option guy and I'm not so sure these young teams feel that way.
Speaker 3:You know, go ahead, twizy. Well, I mean, as far as Durant is concerned, you know, I think that he'll be okay wherever he goes. I mean, he blended in with the Curry and the Clay team. Yeah, he had Kyrie, you know, on his side, you know he had Westbrook and Harden, I don't think that that would be the issue.
Speaker 3:For him. I don't know if he's going to get a chance to go where he wants to go. He has a no-trade clause, only one year left on his contract. A team trades for him the next year. That's $51 million off the books. You'll be able to maneuver and do a whole lot with that, you know, and so I feel like he can go pretty much anywhere.
Speaker 3:I mean, that wants to clean up and I, I would a team like memphis, who seems to be, you know, cleaning out their closet for whatever reason. I wouldn't be surprised if, if they went there, just if they forced him there, just for something like the expiring contract. But I'm pretty sure if he had his choice of things you know it's like a team like san antonio wouldn't, and I'm pretty sure he wouldn't mind going somewhere like there. But for a greek freak, I don't see him being moved this year.
Speaker 3:Um, okay, he's been pretty loyal to that team um, without even needing to sign a contract. He signed multiple, I want to say three, three different contracts with that team. Um, I think that was just, uh, his frustration. You know he might have been frustrated with losing and I understand that. Who doesn't understand that? You know, and sometimes you lash out and I think that was more of that and then, once the dust settles and he starts really weighing his options, you know, you come, he might go. I feel like he comes back to the fact that milwaukee is his best option, you know, and until he feels like they're not in his corner anymore, he's gonna stay there, I believe.
Speaker 2:Well, he's 28 or 29, more thanlon and Twizy, and I love the Greek freak skill set. But remember they did pay him the max. I believe they did pay him the max. Now, having said that, dane's out all next year. He got hurt during the postseason, so now, with Middleton, older than me, it seems like he's been in the league forever. And Dame, you know. Now it's all Giannis by himself. Lopez is old. Is Milwaukee the right fit for you? As you referenced Twins, did he come back to or does he want a fresh start to start over, with young people giving that Dame's out? The main guy. They got Dame for a reason. He's gone. You're called Twins.
Speaker 3:Well, I mean even with Dame. You know, sometimes they look it seems as when he was out they played better. I mean not relative to that playoff game, I mean that playoff series, but in the regular season they won many a games without Dane, you know, just because of the defensive end and if they could replace some pieces, you know they'll see and remember Middleton got moved to Washington. I want to say for Kuzma Remember Middleton got moved to Washington.
Speaker 2:I want to say for Kuzma, remember they got Kuzma, that's right, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 3:So you know, I still don't see them contending, you know. But in the East, you know, you never know what a GM can do. You know, and with the new luxury tax, you know it's going to be hard for players, for those superstars, to stack each other. So maybe Giannis feels like when Dame comes back he can hold down the fort till Dame comes back and try to make a run then.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, I love all this NBA talk fellas. I didn't mean to cut you off Twitty, because I got to get this off my chest. Marlon, if I may, with both of you being Laker fans, with both of you all being Laker fans, do we go after Durant or Giannis? Do they have the capital to do that? They just got Luka. You know how much time does LeBron have? These are fans. I'm not even a Laker fan. I live out here, but these are things. I ask my wife, who's a number one L Lakers, LeBron. You mentioned 100 games plus games in the duration. How much does he have to tank for Laker fans to say, okay, this is our year, your call. Do they make a move, Both of them?
Speaker 1:Of course it's win now, because LeBron may have a year, maybe two, left. You have Luka, who we still don't know if Luka's going to stay. Most people say, oh yeah, he's going to stay. We don't know if he's going to stay. He can go right up to Denver and go up there and be fine and play with Joker. Of course it's Wynn now. Do we have the? I don't think we have the money. We're going to have to start taking pay cuts. Lebun doesn't want to take a pay cut. Luca got screwed out of 116 million dollars so he's obviously not looking forward to any restructure, nothing like that. So I don't know. I don't know that katie would want to come to an la, because if he comes to la, we already don't have a bench, which means that now we're really not going to have a bench, so you can't have these old guys 36 and 40, out there as much as they are KD's already injury prone.
Speaker 1:Lebron has dealt with injuries in this stage of his Laker era, so I don't know what we're going to do. I really do miss AD. I was telling everybody out here in Dallas that you guys have a great player in Anthony Davis. When healthy, he's top five on both ends. I'm still sticking to that. But when healthy, he gives you everything and then some. He's just, at this point, 31 years old. He's a little bit older and injury prone. So as a Laker fan, I don't know where to. Yes, we have Luka and that's fine, but aside from a year or two, I don't know where this team is going to go. We need a superstar. We need somebody young. Kd's great, but he's 36. It's almost like we need to blow everything up and rebuild once LeBron leaves. Go ahead, twiz yeah.
Speaker 3:Go ahead, twizzy man. Look, I just don't see it. I don't see how we can make the money happen. As you referenced, lebron James will take a pay cut and I just think we're buying our time until LeBron retires. Once we got Luka, I think we should have just started the I am the King, lebron James retirement tour and gave him his flowers. He finally did everything he got to play with his son. He finally did everything he got to play with his son. He's got the rings, he's got the records. There's just nothing else to accomplish.
Speaker 3:I don't believe in just my philosophy. You don't invest in 40-year-old athletes. I know everybody's going to point to Tom Brady, but if you drop a glass bottle 100 times and 99 times it breaks and only that one time it doesn't break, I mean you're not going to go around telling everybody look, you can keep dropping it. You can drop a glass bottle Just because Tom Brady, at 40 years old, won a championship. You know he's the exception to the rule, but 99% of the time you invest in a 40-year-old athlete as one of your top two or three paid athletes in a salary cap sport that's going to come up for failure every single time, and even for the greatest. I don't care who you are and you know that's just my philosophy on it and it's not anything against LeBron in particular. It's just like I said now he's 31 or 32, you know we'd be having a different conversation, but we'd also be getting a different LeBron James.
Speaker 2:Well, twizzy, and I'll close it out with this morning, lebron is food's's goal. The name is there. You're not going to go deep in the playoffs with this player, as great as he is in the numbers and stats. This is still los angeles, you know, and it's up to rob palinka to say, okay, we need a big a and then b, we need a defender to defend the wings. You saw what Caruso's doing in the playoffs. I don't even know why he got rid of Caruso to begin with. That was Kobe's guy. Trained him defensively and offensively. It's just amazing. I hate to say it, but on the outside, looking at it, lakers are a mess right now and, I think, towards your own record. You didn't like the signing to begin with. He got you a chip in 020 during the COVID year. But you want sustained excellence and I'm not so sure of Lucas. That guy. Go ahead, gentlemen.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, absolutely All right. So before we go ahead and get to some MLB, we're a little behind on schedule, but before we get to some MLB Twizzy, you're starting all-time five. You're putting together a starting five all-time. Who do you have? And then you can have a six-man off the bench too as well. Who you got?
Speaker 3:Man? That's such a difficult question. Of course I'm going to go with Magic at my point guard man. I'm going to have to go with Jordan as much as I love Kobe. I'm going to have to go with Jordan as much as I love Kobe. I'm going to have to go with Jordan as my starting two. I got to do it At my three boy. I tell you I'm going to have to go. Larry Bird. I'm sorry I got to go with Larry Bird. The intangibles are just too much and he's going to keep the ball moving and he's going to play hard in those defense.
Speaker 3:At my four, boy, it's probably going to be this. You know what? At my four, I'm going to go with Charles Barkley.
Speaker 2:Whoa, you know what?
Speaker 3:I'm going to go with Charles Barkley at my four because I'm going to get some shooting out of him, because I'm going to need at my five, I'm going to go with Shaq at my five. You know, and I think and look for record I believe that Kareem is the greatest player of all time, but when I'm putting a starting five together with all timers, I could do it without Kareem. Now, if I'm starting a franchise, it would have been Kareem from the start.
Speaker 2:I agree with three of them Magic, jordan and Bird, even over LeBron, because I'm old enough to remember Bird is a rookie here. You do too, twizzy, but I got to go with Wilt at my five, wilt's my five and Duncan's my four. I thought about this question, marlon, because you asked somebody else that earlier I had Carl Malone, but I'm going to put Duncan at the four, and Wilt's numbers are so shocking, twizzy, you just can't ignore him. You know, and you say well, big Cap Wilt. Later in the school, wilt was a damn near 40. You know that's not fair. But Wilt, when you average 50 and 25, you score 100, and then, not only that, games are 78 points and 48 rebounds. That's just sick. And he led the league in assists. You know, and I love Big Cal, me and my wife talk about this all the time, twizzy, for the record.
Speaker 1:But there you go right there I had to put darken at the four, even though carm alone previously and then willed at the five.
Speaker 3:You know, love it. This is a great dialogue. Baby, bring it. Of course, this is the first. Go ahead, go ahead to us. No, I'm just it's no. It's really no wrong answer to it when you, when you, when you include the names that you that I just heard, it's really no, I can't be mad at that. If you gave me that, I would be just fine with it too.
Speaker 1:Yeah absolutely right on this is random and off topic. I don't know if you guys know, but today's adam's birthday and uh it's. Oh, I didn't know that yeah, and they had the anniversary show today too, so I wasn't. I was gonna try to call in today, but I couldn't. So if you guys do call in this week, make sure you wish him a happy birthday, which was obviously today, so, um, all right yeah uh, so some mob action.
Speaker 1:So otani is uh back his debut twizzy. What you think, what? What did you like, what did you not like? Talk to me what. What's um, what you feel about otani I mean you.
Speaker 3:I mean you like the velocity and spin rate. Well, you know he only threw the one inning. You know what I mean and I didn't expect a lot because you know this is basically his uh, his, his, uh, warm-up. It just just his rehab start. You know, this is just basically using the, the major leagues, as a rehab start instead of going down the triple a, and that's just what it is. You know he has to build up those innings, get used to that new elbow, that new arm, and once he does that, you know, get him up to two more innings.
Speaker 3:He threw that simulated game about 44 pitches Yesterday. What did he throw? About 20, 22 pitches, something around that. He looked at decent, you know he looked like oh, he got up to 101 miles on the gun. I mean you can't be mad at what you saw for the limited time that you saw it. And once he builds his arm up, hopefully the next start we'll get him around and what we're going to do is we're going to use him in the playoffs is when we're going to need him for at least one start of a series. We get Snell back, we get Glass now.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:We get a few of our arms back. Hopefully. Tanner Scott is starting to look a lot better. He was giving up our supposed free agent acquisition closer, Wasn't doing so great just at the start of the year. He's starting to come around. Hopefully our arms will be ready. I'm not worried at all. Our bats are going to be there. We know that. Our bats are there. With Freeman and Betts and Muncie and Teoscar, I mean come on, those guys. And then I mean Will Smith. I mean those dudes are having a tremendous year. Yeah, I'm not worried about this guy.
Speaker 2:Well, the Padres are leading 1-0 right now and, Twizy, as you referenced, you guys are world champs man. You know, this is just early June or mid-June, I think those guys you referenced in the pitching staff you're still in first place and you haven't been playing your best baseball. But to answer your question, marlon, this guy is one of one, you know tiny, and I just take time out of my day to watch the Dodgers, even for a few innings, because you can argue he's the best player in baseball. Some people he says Aaron Judge. You know, so we'll see. You just like to see the great players do the thing and they signed him for a $700 million contract, although it's backloaded, twizzy, to be a pitcher and, you know, be a hitter, we know we can do it with the bat Hell. They got three MVPs, two at Anaheim. So it's one of those things where, going down the stretch, starting slow, they're doing the right thing. Marlon, to answer your question, bringing them along slowly, if you will, and the Dodgers haven't been clicking on all cylinders. That's what the three people start out A and O, twizy, and it fell off Getting swept by some team, I don't know, some little team back here, maybe Cincinnati, but you know, you guys are world champs.
Speaker 2:I'm not worried at all about you. I think Manfred and you'll agree with this too that he needs to market his sport with these star players better than he does. I think Otani has a little commercial with something, but that's it. This is special that we're watching out here in the West Coast Marlon and San Diego has Tatis and Machado. That National League West is brutal. I didn't even think the Giants were that good until I look at the stands. Damn the Giants. And now they got your boy Devers.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So, going down the stretch, this is the best division in baseball, and I didn't even mention Arizona Diamondbacks. You know so. You know they're up there too. But the Devils trade in and of itself was massive, much like the Luka trade in NBA, but more so baseball, because you know this guy here. He can affect the game in so many ways and he's not tripping, playing on first base with San Francisco, I heard I don't know why he was tripping in Boston. I love Cora but Twizzy, you know, sometime in the clubhouse things go on. But this was a massive trade within the National League West. I know I got off topic, but go ahead.
Speaker 1:All right. So, Twizzy, are you ready to give my Padres some respect? Absolutely not. Are you nervous about us in the slightest?
Speaker 3:at all. Why would I be?
Speaker 1:Come on man.
Speaker 3:I don't understand what the problem would be. Why? I mean, if you couldn't get it done last year, when would you ever get it done?
Speaker 1:Hey, two years ago we did. Was it two years ago, and I say this all the time that was our World Series when we beat you guys in the playoffs Two, three years ago, I believe.
Speaker 3:And Doc, did you hear what he just said? Yeah, and that's the mentality of why they'll never get one, because they got a manufactured World Series out of Division League Series. That's right.
Speaker 2:That's a good point.
Speaker 1:Marlon, Y'all a big brother, we're little brothers, so yeah, that's where we're at.
Speaker 3:I'll just put Marlon, you know oh yeah, it's all love.
Speaker 2:I just got to take a shot at the little brother, padres it's all love it's all love, but Marlon, let me ask you, marlon, let me ask you, are you expecting more down the stretch to catch up and pass the, the Dod, the archers? No, you know, I don't know where. I don't know where rio is, you know he ain't played all year, but you got cease the pitcher and you already mentioned some of your bats or the injuries just robbed you, I don't know. You had injuries somewhere yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1:I don't necessarily think we'll pass them, I mean, especially without tony coming back. I mean that's that's definitely asking for a lot, but it's it's probably going to come down to see him in the playoffs and, and so if we just stay consistent overall in the season, we may come up to them in the playoffs. And at that point it's like, okay, well, we've been here before and we beat them before in the playoffs, and I think it was last year when we got embarrassed. I think we were up shoot, I think Two to one, yeah, yeah, and then we got embarrassed and they came back and just handled business as they typically do. So that's really all what it comes down to, you know, because we can take care of business in the regular season. But you know, once we come time for September, october, that's when we need to play our best.
Speaker 2:The trick part about this is and Twizzy, you'll agree, prior to last year's championship run, the heat was on Dave Roberts bad. They were talking about getting rid of his ass and then all of a sudden he went on the run and won it all. Now he's. They're talking about Hall of Famer, for you know baddages. So there you go, right there. You know, because he did blow some playoff series, mostly to my braids in 021. You remember that one, but you got us back in 0-22, I think, or do I? Got it reversed, Something like that. Yeah, you knocked us out and we knocked y'all out, but he was on Dave Robbins and now you don't hear nothing, you know. So you know, it's one of those things where good job, and I got one last question for Twizzy before this.
Speaker 1:But, doc, I know we typically record on a Monday, so I know you want to recap the Yankees and Red Sox, so Florida what's on? That.
Speaker 2:It's an absolute disgrace and this is the time to show. We get it off your chest. The Yankees are in first place, of course, but you can't get swept by a team in turmoil in your division and you got to give Alice Corr and those guys credit for doing that, because you know you just. And they beat them two out of three at the previous weekend. So the Red Sox have the Yankees number and even with Stanton coming back, I don't think that's enough because all they got is Max Reed as a pitcher. But to answer your question, I was all into the Red Sox-Yankees series, arguably the best rivalry in all of sport. But you can make an argument, but you got to give where credit was credit was due.
Speaker 2:I think the Red Sox, despite the trade, I think they're 1-0 and 2-0. But they're on a four or five-game winning streak after sweeping the Yankees man. These are the Yankees and Adam Schein you know he glossed over it because a lot of Red Sox callers get in the business, but this is a major accomplishment, man, and it begs the question whether losing Rafael Devers will put this team in the tailspin. Not yet. It's a long season, but there was something going on there and Bregman's not even playing. I think Bregman still hurts. So there you go, right there. I love the series, but shock, sweet, sweet gentlemen, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right. So, twizzy, the last question for you on baseball. So if you can go to three ballparks around the States, it doesn't matter where it could be I'm sure Petco's one of them but three ballparks in, whether it's an old ballpark, new ballpark, whatever three ballparks in the States, where would you want to go?
Speaker 3:I mean you got to go Fenway. Yeah, of course you go Wrigley. Yeah, man, I don't know. I keep hearing that ballpark up in Seattle Beautiful, and I've never been to Seattle. That's one of the states that I haven't been to and I wouldn't mind going to see that.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Good response, brother. I've been to Dodger Stadium several times through the years several and that's the most beautiful ballpark, with the mountains and blue and all that. But I had to pick three. Man, it would be Wrigley, it would be Fenway and Yankee Stadium. Man, you know you can make an argument for the one in Baltimore, camden Yards, I heard that's beautiful, despite the Orioles falling to pieces. I heard that's beautiful. But Yankee Stadium is Yankee Stadium. I could stay there all day and just look at Monument Park, you know. But Wrigley, fenway, yankee, full top, go ahead, martin.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, all right, all right. Now some NFL action, of course. Season's getting ready to start. We have the Hall of Fame game in a month and a half. Less than a month and a half, chargers will be Detroit. So we're getting there. It's right around the corner. So training camp is here in about a month, if I'm not mistaken, so a little less than a month. So we're here. So all right. So Twizzy is a Bills fan and he is a Green Bay fan, so I know the story. So Twizzy Doc will love this story. But explain to him, or tell our audience how are you connected to the Green Bay Packers?
Speaker 3:Oh well, yeah, See, I'm not. I mean, I'm just. My nephew is the longest tenured Green Bay Packer as of right now. In fact this will be his 10th year. We got something planned for him, so we'll be having a big bash in a little bit for his 10th year. And Kenny Clark? Yeah, man, it's been a beautiful, blessed thing man. He's put in a lot of hard work. You know, he went to UCLA and he was drafted. I just happened to be with our boys, patrick and the Rat, back in the day at the draft party for the Rams at the downtown LA, at LA Live, and, man, I was hanging with those guys and I was telling them about it and I looked up on the TV and right when I was just happened to say it, my mom and my sister and his mom and Kenny were all standing there on TV and I'll be pointed and yelled hey look, there's my mom. Green Bay Packers drafted. And I don't think those guys believe me at first, but now, after so many years have passed, it's been pretty obvious.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that's good man, that's good. You know Kenny Clark, out of you a big defensive lineman. But being a Bills fan, it has to trouble you that year after year you pick to go to the bowl or the best fans in the league, arguably along with Steelers and Cowboys that year after year, man Josh Allen gets grief for not leading his team to the bowl. You know how do you feel about that man, with all the weapons you have. He just won the MVP. What are you expecting this year? Of course you know with the rookie. What's his name? Maxwell Harrison. A corner, a secondary out of Kentucky, go ahead.
Speaker 3:Twizzy man. Oh man, doc man, you know, year after year we have everything that we need when you really want to come down to it. But, like you just referenced, with Maxwell Harrison, you know we got all SEC guys. Yeah, we went real heavy on defense TJ Sandy, landon, jackson, deion, walker. You know all defensive linemen I mean our offense scored the most combined points playoffs and regular season, including the Super Bowl winner. Out of all the other teams we scored the most points. So it's not our offense. I know a lot of people want to focus in on our lack of a number one, quote-unquote number one receiver, but you know, points is not what we're lacking. It's always been our defense since Josh Allen's been there. You know gave up that play in Kansas City with 13 seconds.
Speaker 3:You know it's been an offense for forever. You know all that. You know special teams it's always special teams. Defense Hasn't been our offense, even though a lot of people like to focus on that. Hopefully, with these additions this year it's going to put us right back in there. I have no doubt that the Bills will be number one in the AFCs and win that division. We'll see if they'll be good enough to beat out the Ravens and the Chiefs. The usual players are looking like the usual players the Chargers and to be fighting for that number one seed.
Speaker 2:Hey, hey, hey, hey hey.
Speaker 3:You know what Quiet is kept. This is not the same Chargers, and I'll give you that. This is not the same Chargers. This is not the Chargers that can lead the league in offense and defense and still miss the playoffs. That's not that.
Speaker 2:Well, marlon, I think you'll agree, marlon, that the 13 seconds that everybody remember Twizy just referenced, it's not 28-3 Falcons-Patriots, but that's a coaching decision. How do you feel about your coach Twizy going forward, man, because he blew some things? It's not always the player's fault. Your take on that man.
Speaker 3:You know what? Um, last year was probably his best year where he had the least amount of glaring errors, but yet still, you know, it's just one of those things you've got to show and prove and where he's been showing and showing and showing is that maybe he just can't get it done with a lot of the some of the, some of the coaching missteps that he's had over the years. You know, not just one year and sometimes you know you are like you referenced earlier, you're a Dave Roberts type of manager, type of coach, where you can learn from some of your past mistakes and, you know, end up being a two-time world champion yeah. Or sometimes you're just a Dale Harris type, where Dale Harris was the coach of the Lakers yeah, and Shaq and Kobe was there and he just couldn't get them over the hump. And what did they do they? You know, they got a Phil Jackson and that very same first year Phil Jackson, everybody thought it was going to be two, three years down the line. No, it was that year and they went on that dynastic run.
Speaker 3:And maybe McDermott is more of a Dale Harris than a Dave Roberts and maybe he does need to be replaced with somebody that can get it done. Now, who that is, I don't know. We don't want to end up in one of those situations where you fire your coach without a plan. So for now he's the guy, and I'm just hoping that he'll learn from some of his previous mistakes. But we have all the tools. We have all the tools, guys.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, marlon, real quick, if I may. We had Clover in Texas, you know, on the show and she mirrors what you're pretty much saying. You know she's a diehard Bills fan too, down in Texas. But two things, brother, how far? And I asked Clover this question how much can you expect Josh Allen, even though he's a big boy, to take the beating that he does running the football and being pretty much Superman now 17 weeks? And beating that he does running the football and being pretty much Superman now 17 weeks? And two, what the hell is going on with James Cook, my guy out of University of Georgia? Is that somewhat of a distraction? Those are two big things going forward, especially this year, with Josh Allen not getting any younger. But the James Cook thing being a Bulldog fan Twizzy bothers me. You know what is going on there, you know.
Speaker 3:We're going to have to figure out a way to get them paid. We got to. I mean that's pretty much. I mean we don't want to upset the apple cart. You know we want to keep the ball rolling and you know, just like that sign that God carries into the stadium every week yeah, everybody eats when James cooks. So we've got to find a way to get them paid. And that's directed right to that second question.
Speaker 3:As far as Allen, we've got to ease up on him some. We want to use it as a threat for sure, because it is such a threat, it is such a weapon. So we want to always make that in the back of our opponent's mind. That, you know, at any moment in time, you know this guy could come ramming through or he could hit the outside with some speed, you know. But at the same time you know we want to, we want to protect our investment. He's our most important player, he's the, he's the engine, he's the thing that makes us go. Without him. We know that our Super Bowl chances, you know, decrease tenfold. So obviously you want to keep him upright. And in the NFL it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when, when you put yourself out there that many times. So we need to produce that, and getting James Cook paid is one of the big ways we can start doing that.
Speaker 2:Well, is it an ad-lib thing relative to Josh Allen? Or is it design players plays? Because you saw what happened to Cam Newton big, strong guy. Physical Might even be a little faster than Josh Allen, but is this an ad-lib thing with his instincts and I love him, mvp, yeah. Or is it design players via the offensive coordinator, whoever he is?
Speaker 3:A little bit of both.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:We like to run that, we like to run the quarterback. You know we like to get him in there and I'm pretty sure Josh has the go-ahead to audible out Right, and every time you see him do that in the shotgun, and, and or he'll, we'll run that, uh, that run pass option, the rpo, and, and he'll keep it. But you know, we it's a way to do it and and keep him out of harm's way at the same time. But, like I said, you know, one of the first ways that we do that is making sure that james Cook is in the backfield and we're feeding him the ball, because once he gets going it just makes it more difficult for the, for the defense, to key in on Josh, and then he can go ahead and do some of that spectacular plays.
Speaker 2:That's a good response there, brother. Yeah, I like it all of the two man. What are you expecting out of him? He was all pro, I think, last year. You know, a manager aside, a poor man is Aaron Donald, but Matt Milano has to stay healthy and this is on the outside looking in man. You know I love you D, but injuries have killed you going against KCs and the Baltimore's. You know.
Speaker 3:Last year we suffered injuries again. We had a lot of new faces. We switched out our whole secondary. You know, once again we got some more new faces and those rookies that we mentioned previously. They're going to be a big part of that. We got some other cats that we got in free agency, but you know, I'm really looking to them, rookies. And, like you said, ed Oliver. You know I'm hoping that he can have that same production with less snaps. I'm looking for him to play some less snaps. And then we got Joey Bosa. Yes, you know.
Speaker 3:I know Molly loves that. Yes, when he's on the field he's a beast. He's a man that you have to put two sets of eyes. You've got to have four eyeballs on that guy or things aren't going to go good for your quarterback. His only problem has been staying on the field. Hopefully that was just him being a charger and being charged. Now that he's a bill, he's washed that stench off and he can stay healthy.
Speaker 2:Give me a win-one-loss record 13-4, 12-5. What do you got? Who's your first game to start it off?
Speaker 3:We got Baltimore, baby, we got Baltimore, that's prime time. With a doozy Damn. Right when we left off With Baltimore, we left off with a doozy we left off right where we left off.
Speaker 3:Yeah, with Baltimore, you know what I'm saying and we took care of them in the playoffs and I see us doing that again. You know a solid team, but if we were to lose to them, that's okay. They're a Super Bowl contended team. They'll be there at the end. One of the last four teams, no doubt. And man, overall I mean 12 and 5, I'm not looking for to go all out in the regular season, right, you know? I think that for the Bills and the Bills fans it's going to be. Our season starts when the playoffs starts in January. You know that's when our season is going to start.
Speaker 2:That Baltimore game.
Speaker 1:Twizzy is that the crib or is it on the road? Oh, my goodness. I will say it is a primetime game. That's all I know. It's either Sunday night or Monday night football. It is a primetime game. I think you a. I will say it is a primetime game. That's all I know. It's either Sunday night or.
Speaker 3:Monday night football. It is a primetime game, I think you know. I'm not sure if that's at the crib, but I believe it is. I want to say that it is yeah it's at home.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, you know you know, Lamar Jackson pissed off.
Speaker 2:Go ahead, Marlon.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's at home so now I feel like the league messed up, which is this is going to be a great segue. I feel like the league messed up a great opportunity to have the Steelers play the Jets. So now obviously Steelers and Jets swap quarterbacks and all that stuff, so that should have been a primetime game, but obviously they didn't know what Aaron Rodgers was going to do at that time. So, twiz, I mean, with you having the Packers connections, do you still kind of follow Rodgers or are you rooting for him? What's your take on that?
Speaker 3:No, I'm not. I mean I've never been a huge Rodgers fan. Of course you respect talent, you respect what he does on the field, but I mean, I haven't followed him any more than I follow any other quarterback. You know, I pay attention to him. Obviously we pay attention to the league, pay attention to all the quarterbacks, yeah, but um, as far as anything beyond that, no, you know, I don't think that. Uh, like I said before and it's like I said, it's nothing against him personally. You know I don't bring the personal things into when evaluating team, but, like I said before, with the ladies in the prime, you know, the same philosophy applies here I don't invest in, I don't believe in investing in 41 year old athletes.
Speaker 3:Now, as far as the Steelers are concerned, I understand why they did it and I understand that you know getting a understand that getting a discount at only $13 million, that's a huge discount. That's something LeBron isn't giving them. So it's not a huge investment, just one year, but it still puts them in the same position next year. So they're still not answering the question and if he has anything in the tank, like they're hoping, then they don't have the draft capital that they're going to be able to move up. That's their kind of. They're not the kind of team that sells off their future drafts to go up in the draft to get one particular player. That's something that would be unprecedented for them.
Speaker 2:Well, twizy, good response, man. These are the Steelers, a huge fan base, arguably the top one in the league, with Dallas, and you guys, the Bills Mafia. I think Aaron Rodgers did them in justice by. You know, even a nose tackle, defensive tackle that I love. You know, cameron Hayward, I think his name is said. If you want to be with us, be with us. If you don't, you know, the brain remains to be seen. Marlon, what's going to happen here? I think that game's in New York week one. You know we saw the Jets last year where he was missing reads, even though the arm talent is somewhat still there. His footwork he relies on arm. He's not young anymore, you know. And what about the Steelers' offensive line? Who's used to run blocking Marlon? Now they got a pass block to protect their own man. And plus, run blocking Marlon, now you got a pass block to protect the old man. And plus you got Najee Harris. So who's the Steelers running back to protect Aaron Rodgers? Twizzy? You know, I don't know that's just my take.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, so all right, so all right. So now to my favorite this is probably going to be my favorite segment in all the episodes that we recorded, because we rarely talk boxing segment, and in all the episodes that we recorded because we rarely talk boxing. So now we're going to dive into boxing. So, uh, we do have a big fight coming up soon with canelo and crawford. Um, so twizzy, your thoughts on that. Did you think the fight would happen? Did you? Yeah, is, is it? Is it happening a couple years late? What are your thoughts on the fight?
Speaker 3:I mean just, I mean you got Canelo and Crawford right now. You know two of the top three, four names in the game. You know, after Crawford beat Spence he really elevated himself to that level. You know Canelo's always been there, yeah, for some time Now. You know Canelo. He's a four-division champ. Quite some time Now you know Canelo, he's a four-division champ.
Speaker 3:You know he has WBO and the WBC, wbo, wba super middleweights. You know championships. You know what I'm saying. He was stripped of the IBS but he got that back after his last fight against Skull. You know, now, as far as the fight is concerned, I think that Canelo is just a little past his prime, even though he happens to be the younger fella. He's 34 years old and Crawford is actually 37, three years older, but he's much hungrier. He hasn't had the opportunity of the spoils and the riches of the sport in such a way that Canelo has being the face of the sport. And you know you can look right at that. You know, just look at the last few fights that Canelo has had and I mean he fought Skull and between the two of them they only had a 445 punch output and that's the lowest since cocky box numbers have been taken.
Speaker 3:They haven't taken cocky box since 1985. Canelo only, even though he won the fight, he only threw 152 punches. That's his lowest output ever, and while his opponent threw 290 punches, you know that's still combined for the lowest output ever, as far as the numbers are concerned, in 21, whereas Crawford had that super fight with Spence in 2023, and he knocked him out, you know, in the ninth. There, you know, and he pretty much dominated that whole fight. And even though he's the smaller guy and they'll be fighting at 168 pounds, you know Crawford's the smaller guy, but he walks around at the weight of 168. So, so, so he's used to having that weight on him. Now let's see if that affects his movement, or, you know, his, his, his technical, uh expertise and his footwork.
Speaker 3:You know when he when he's in there and his technique. But overall, you know I'm looking for Crawford to really get in there and his technique, but overall, you know I'm looking for crawford to really get in there and and get in there and punish canelo a little bit, because canelo doesn't want to throw punches and and if he's not gonna, if he's unwilling to throw punches and put out a good output, you know how is he going to keep crawford on them, off of him, even though he's he's a smaller fellow. You know that's one of the reasons why he didn't want to fight his mandatory fight and he was stripped of the IBF super middleweight was because he ducked David Benavidez. Because he knows, coming up against somebody like David Benavidez, a young, hungry guy who's 180 pounds walking around, so he's going to have a stronger ability. He didn't want to face that.
Speaker 3:I just think Canelo's gotten too comfortable with his position and this is just a fight that he can't pass up because of the money. So Crawford should really punish him. I'm looking at that and, hey, even though he's a smaller guy, I see him winning Punishing decision. I don't think he's going to knock him out, but I think he'll punish him for 12 rounds and he'll get a unanimous decision.
Speaker 2:Well, twizzy, I agree with you relative to Crawford man. You said the key word hungry, and, marlon, this means a lot in that particular sport man. This fight should have happened three or four years ago, much like Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather when they finally fought that fight in and of itself know who Crawford is man, but I think the fact that, being boxing fans like me and Twizzy, I think Crawford's going to win. He's hungry, he's ready to have this thing, it's an it factor. You know a major fight and Canelo in my mind. You know Crawford is just as fast, if not faster, than Mayweather. Mayweather's more of a defensive guy. Remember, canelo lost to Mayweather, but I think Crawford's going to win. This one man Maybe don't even go to jail. I think seven or eight rounds, because hungry is a bitch in boxing the one-two, even though he's 37, and what he did to Spence. I just think that Crawford's going to handle business, marley.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, all right. So now this will kind of give you to an idea of some of your where you guys feel the best boxers are and all that stuff. So I'm going to start with you, twizzy, so your top five boxers of all time. If you can't narrow it down to five, you got to give me six or seven, I get it. So I mean, because I don't want to start naming names, I just want you to just go ahead and just go and give me your top five, six boxers of all time.
Speaker 3:Man, it's just so hard. I mean, you know, the Burt Sugars of the world would tell you guys like Rocky Marciano and Sugar Ray Robinson, marciano and Ray Robinson. So you gotta, you gotta always show love to Jack Johnson, the first black heavyweight back in 19,. Yeah, I mean Hagler Hearns.
Speaker 3:I mean, oh man, I mean uh uh, uh uh, taylor, uh, just, it's just so many different names that you can go, of course, mayweather, if you want a new Paki Howell, only guy to be eight division champion. I mean, there's so many different names but my top three, of course. I'm going to say Ali, you've got to have Ali, he's one of my top all-time. I'm going to put Maywe Ali in there. Yeah, he's one of my top all-time. I'm going to put Mayweather in there, okay, and I'm going to put Lennox Lewis in there. Wow, okay, two more, two more. I will put oh my goodness, my guy from Detroit. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2:Tommy Hearns, Tommy Hearns oh.
Speaker 3:Joe Lewis.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:I will put Joe Lewis in there and man for that fifth spot. Wow, there's so many different guys you can go with.
Speaker 2:Wow, oh man Come on, come on, twizzy, maybe Cesar.
Speaker 3:Chavez, maybe Cesar Chavez, wow, wow.
Speaker 2:There's too many weight classes. Marlon, that's a good response by Twizzy, you know, that's a good response there. Man, Ali's my number one guy, and you know. But then you got to make it. Marvin Hagler beat Sugar Ray, Marvin Hagler's two and Sugar Ray Leonard three and you got Evander Holyfieldfield, who's a four-time champ, you know. And uh, somewhere I gotta put mike tyson. You know I gotta put that in there because for the youngest heavyweight champion he was just destroying fools. People say tomato cans, but it was the people at the time. You know, with all these outside stuff he still made it business to knock out people, you know. So you can make a case if you wanted six or seven for some of the Jack Johnsons and the Joe Louis's. But I would say Ali and Marvin Hagler are my top two man. Sugar Ray Leonard needs to get respect, though you know he did enough to beat Hagler, even though I think Hagler won the flurries at the end. Twizy, you remember that fight.
Speaker 2:The middleweight division ended up itself during the 80s. Marlon was so sick. You have Roberto Duran, Tommy Hearns, who had the hardest punch, you know, for that division. But I'm sticking with my five. Man Holyfield is, he's unassuming. They wanted to fight 90 when both of them were really young. But remember, Kaisa got accused of rape. You know so that fight 90 didn't go off, and you know so. There you go right there on my top five, Even six.
Speaker 3:It's so many different names, man, it's hard to, I mean because you're leaving out Roberto Duran.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Junior Archie Moore. I know it's tough, it's so funny.
Speaker 2:I know it's tough.
Speaker 1:I'm going to throw a name at you. I don't think either of you guys said it but Bernard.
Speaker 3:Hopkins. Yeah, see Bernard Hopkins, the executioner.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he started late and still was dominant. He was well into almost 40,. You know, oh man, but he, you know, he beat Delahoyer and Shane Woodall. He beat everybody, he beat.
Speaker 1:Trinidad.
Speaker 2:Trinidad, trinidad was the man.
Speaker 3:Felix yes. Man, I remember all those fights, man, like it was yesterday.
Speaker 2:Good point, marlon. Good point on that. But I'm sticking with the top five. I know the old school guys. You know my uncles and my deceased granddaddy swear by Joe Lewis, you know. But if you do that, you got to put Jack Johnson on the enormous strain. He was the heavyweight champ, you know Death threats, beating white people and he still won. You know Now, off the field, it was a fool, you know, but it was one of those things where you can't forget Jack Johnson. So yeah, it's just too much. I'm sticking with that. You can ask 10 people and 10 different questions, you know, I mean 10 different responses.
Speaker 3:And you know what, doc, they'll all be right.
Speaker 2:Yes, absolutely, and I hate that. Martin Hagler was my man in the 80s and he just died what five or six years, just awesome in the 80s. And he just died what five or six and just awesome shape heart, heart problems, really heart disease, something, and then, of course, during that era, sugar ale and you got to put him in there too. But man, these guys, of course, ali you know, and then another one.
Speaker 1:You got another one I'm just throwing out to george foreman yes, george foreman, you can't.
Speaker 3:I mean not only. Not only did he dominate in the 70s, but he came back in the 90s and he beat uh moore. Yes, he did and and knocked him out, and, and, and became a 40 year old champion. He was one of the ones he put him in the tom brady category of a guy at 40 years old still winning championships in his sport.
Speaker 2:And you know, Marlon this is somewhat a correlation with Mike Tyson said, if he had fought George Foreman, Foreman would have mopped him up. You know, the power is just too awesome, you know, that's what Mike Tyson said. And this is Tyson, whose power was unparalleled, you know. You know, Ernie Chavis was a hard punch, he gave all he fit, you know. But Foreman, his power was shocking, you know. And so, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1:And speaking of Tyson, I know he's enjoying all the money that he got from botching and doing what he had to do. Whatever was in his contract with Logan Paul, Jake Paul whatever brother it was, I know whatever was in his contract said he couldn't throw none of those haymakers that he normally can throw.
Speaker 3:I know he is. He's probably enjoying every single $20, $30, $40 million he got.
Speaker 1:I know he's enjoying every single bit of it.
Speaker 3:Marlon, Doc, you don't want to hear my take on Tyson. I don't have the same. I don't romanticize him the same way as everyone else does Okay, right on, brother, right on. Just because, like, look, he was the third best heavyweight in his era at best. Wow, man, what do you mean? Wow, holyfield beat him twice. Yeah, he was so upset at Holyfield he bit his ear twice.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, he did.
Speaker 3:That's how bad he was getting beat. After Lennox beat him, he sat there and said he's going to fade off into oblivion is what he said. He was talking about how his kids are going to look at him. He looks like a monster. He looks deformed. Yeah, both eyelids were split open because Lennox Lewis, they were coming up at the same time in the same gyms. You know Lennox Lewis and Holyfield. They both went to the Olympics where Tyson did not.
Speaker 2:That's right.
Speaker 3:When you look at them, they fought each other. They fought the same competition. What Tyson did have was he had spectacular eye-pleasing, basically eye-candy type knockouts, and there's no denying it, but I don't anytime he came up against someone who had a resistance or force.
Speaker 2:You know he failed that test over and over again In Tyson's defense and we can talk about this all night. But he was a little past his whatever you know. They should have fought earlier Tyson and Holyfield and as far as he dug Riddick Bowe, I give you that Riddick Bowe was another one powerful. He wanted to fight Tyson. Tyson ran for him and fought Razor Ruddick, somebody like that. I forget who it might have for Razor Ruddock or somebody like that. I forget who it was. It might have been Razor Ruddock, but it goes noted.
Speaker 2:It was Bruno. Yeah, but the hand speed Tyson had when he was in his 20s was unparalleled. Man. People don't talk about his hand speed towards you know, boxing His hand speed was ferocious for a power puncher you know.
Speaker 3:But what made Tyson so lethal and what made what he stopped doing and it ended his career was the head movement and the feet. His head and his feet movement were exceptional in the pocket. He could stand in front of you with little subtle movements of the head and little subtle movements of the feet and get inside, even though he was a shorter man, and force taller guys to fight inside. Guys, and only a guy like a Riddick Bowe and a Lennox Lewis were the type of guys he didn't want to fight because they knew how to keep him off of him. But those are two of the most skilled guys at that size ever to fight. Other guys don't have that kind of skill to keep Tyson off of him. His side movement and head movement at Tyson it made him elite, along with the strength, power and speed that he displayed in every single fight.
Speaker 2:Well, twizzy and Marlon. Riddick Bowe was a guy that was intriguing because he destroyed Holyfield twice. You know, holyfield beat him once in a trilogy. But this is a guy who had it all, man. You know power, speed, hand speed and all that and then he just disappeared, man, after losing to somebody and blew up over 300 pounds. He retired early, twizzy, I believe. What happened to Riddick Bowe?
Speaker 3:I mean, he didn't have a heart for it. You know how boxing is. You have to have a heart for boxing. If your heart is not in it, this is not the sport that you go through the motions. You'll pay a violent, deadly price. Yeah, and many guys have Came out on the wrong side of it. That's right. That was like rigged by me. He was one of the great heavyweights that just didn't fulfill his complete potential.
Speaker 2:You get out of there, out of the Bronx, marlon, I'm telling you, man, when I say he walked through and took Holyfield's best twist, you saw the fight. Holyfield had no answer and he looked bloodied and beat. But he did beat him once. I think he beat him the second time but lost the third badly. So yeah, and then of course, Lennox Lewis. So yeah, there you go.
Speaker 3:I love this box of dialogue man, Lennox Lewis, is the only man to avenge every loss he's ever taken. You know every man, the three losses that he had. He came back and avenged each and every one of them.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Who is that cat he lost to in shocking fashion? Who is that one guy out of nowhere, steve Roman? Yes, what the hell was that?
Speaker 3:Well, just like McCall, he touched his chin. And Lennox Lewis, that was his one flaw. Bugaboo, yeah, that was his one flaw. You hit him right on that spot. He's liable to go down for you.
Speaker 3:He had a lion, that's why they called him the lion. And you know it took me a while to for him to grow on me, being that he was from the other side of the pond, so coming from New England, I was being from Britain, so he didn't really grow on me. But after watching his fights, going and doing some studying, watching some of his old fights man, how he beat up guys it was clear that he's undeniable, he's one of the top heavyweights and he's probably the top heavyweight of that era yeah, of Tyson era that everybody loves. But you know he didn't have the spectacular knockouts the way that Tyson has. He's just much more pleasing to watch.
Speaker 1:Wow, this has been good, fellas Good this has been great we can for sure have whenever the fight. When is the fight? Is it September or October?
Speaker 3:No, it'll be September. That's when they always have the what's it Some Hispanic holiday for the independents.
Speaker 1:Mexican Independence Day.
Speaker 3:I don't want to speak and misspeak on it, but it is some holiday, that's the same. Yeah, that they fight and fight. There's always a big fight at that time, and that's when you expect Canelo, that's when you expect the Mayweathers, that's when you expect the Super Fights to happen, and hopefully they'll put on a show and, like I said, I'm looking for Crawford, also a four-time champion himself, to come out. And Canelo, hopefully he's engaged and he'll throw some punches, and if he does that, we should have us a doozy fellas.
Speaker 2:I love it man, oh man, the names Marlon, sugar Ray Robinson, who had like 173 wins. That's how often they fought Marlon, yeah, I looked at his record. I was like damn. Sugar Ray Robinson, and of course, recently with Sugar Ray Leonard man, he doesn't get no prize, so he beat them all, Although I think Mar Marvin Hagler this is a guy who won the Olympics in 76. I was 14. And he had some things, had some substantive periods, went through divorce, but I think you'll agree he's underrated man. You know To fight Marvin Hagler, duran well, he lost to Duran once and he came back and destroyed him. And then Marvin I mean Thomas Hearns, who's the hit man that right hand hits you. You're out. He walked through Thomas Hearns with the speed you know. So, yeah, I had to mention Sugar Ray Leonard there. Yeah, I mean this is good.
Speaker 3:You gotta have Robert Durant in there also.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:That's the thing that those guys, all of them you mentioned how many times they fought. They fought in their primes. That's the difference between. These days, everybody wants to duplicate that Mayweather success and they're all holding on to that O making sure they don't want to get that loss. But the thing is that Ali Frazier, just like Hagler, hearns, degrant, ray Robinson, ray Leonard, all those guys took L's, but we still look how they're revered. Look at the reverence that we speak when we speak their names right now.
Speaker 3:They fought everybody After all these years, and it doesn't matter that they have an L or they beat. I mean, this is sports. You come up with you One day you're not going to have it. Somebody's going gonna best you, you know. I mean, how do you come back off of that? Yeah, that's the test of a true champion. But these young cats don't understand that and and what they're doing is they're missing their opportunity to become great, great legends because they're just scared to take that zero. They're scared, they're so worried about failing that they don't think about the success.
Speaker 2:Oh man, this is great stuff. Where would you put Mayweather real quick before we go Twizzy? I'm interested. As you referenced man, he's 50-0, but his style was kind of ugly defensive, much like Prano Whitaker. But he could tag you too, you know. And he did run from Pacquiao when pacco was destroying everybody, you know. But I don't know, I don't know. He's undefeated. You gotta put him somewhere in the top 10, I guess.
Speaker 3:Overall, well, he yeah, I mean he, he has, he's beaten 23 I want to say world champions. He's got the most uh uh victories over world champions, more than any other champions. Every, every. They say that he ran from people, but I never understand that, because I thought every important fighter that pacquiao fought, he fought and beat and he beat pacquiao. But um, and then you have to consider this that a a lot of people forget. You know, mayweather has two Hall of Fame careers. He's Pretty Boy Floyd had an 80 plus percent knockout rate, but the problem with Pretty Boy Floyd was he kept breaking his hands.
Speaker 2:That's right.
Speaker 3:And after breaking his hands so many times, and combine that with a promotion dispute with Bob Arum he was having a dispute with Bob Arum over his contract he retired to pretty boy and then he came back as Money Mayweather, but this time he decided that he'd be more a defensive fighter and what he wouldn't do is he wouldn't punch as hard as he possibly could, because when he did that, he would constantly break his hands.
Speaker 2:I didn't know that.
Speaker 3:That's right. That's why he became such a more defensive fighter. He decided to become the villain at that point. Obviously, it worked out in his favor when we see his overall record he's the highest paid pay-per-view fighter and when, at his height, he was making more money than the Peyton Manning and LeBron James and he was doing it without advertising dollars and sponsorships, because they didn't want to hitch their names to him.
Speaker 3:He was getting it all out of the sport. Yeah, that's true, you got to give him his credit, and a lot of people are trying to replicate and duplicate what he did, but they're not doing it properly. You have guys like AD oh, my goodness, what's the kid's name? Never mind, there's a bunch of youngsters out there trying to duplicate what's his.
Speaker 3:Oh, my goodness, what's the kid's name? Never mind, oh yeah, there's a bunch of youngsters out there trying to duplicate him and they're just not able to do it. They're not able to do it like Tank Davis. Javante Davis is one of those kids that are trying to duplicate what he did, but Tank just took a draw. Now he no longer has that 00 by his name. Now he has a draw. Now he no longer has that 0-0 by his name. Now he has a draw. We'll see how he bounces back from that this is good stuff.
Speaker 2:Good stuff. Twizzy Wow. God bless you, twizzy yeah.
Speaker 1:I knew he was into boxing, but I was like, let me just double check and make sure Boxing is my favorite sport.
Speaker 3:That's my favorite sport.
Speaker 2:Oh man, I could talk to you all day brother.
Speaker 1:After the fight, which was going to be obviously September 13th that's going to be after week two of the NFL season We'll get you back on in. We'll have a lot to talk about.
Speaker 3:Anything else you got for us before we get out of here, Twizzy? Oh no, man, Just thank you for having me on. You know I love the conversation, man. Much love to you guys and your families. And, man, you know I've been having a beautiful time watching these sports and hopefully we'll get an nba champion soon enough because, uh, the nba seems to want to drag this thing out till august or october that's right.
Speaker 2:That's right, thanks a lot.
Speaker 1:Hopefully, padres will see you in the playoffs. Uh you hey, you take care of joey bosa and also josh palmer too as well. Take care of both Bosa and also Josh Palmer too as well. Take care of both of them. Josh Palmer's a receiver. Take care of both of them. You guys got them. Hopefully we'll see the Chargers may see you guys in the playoffs. I think Justin Herbert is a better quarterback than Josh Allen. What?
Speaker 3:else, I got a lot for you, man.
Speaker 1:I want all the smoke man.
Speaker 3:But hey, we appreciate it. Hey, hey, you know he's got the better. Coach Doc, we'll leave it at that. We'll throw him a bone.
Speaker 2:He's got the better.
Speaker 3:coach there we go yeah.
Speaker 1:All right, Tootsie Appreciate you for joining, I appreciate it All right, we will catch you guys next time. Peace, peace.