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We dive into upcoming sports seasons while exploring the greatest teams of all time in college football, the NBA, and boxing. Our special guest John joins to share insights on the Cowboys, college football sleeper teams, and his predictions for the NFL season.
• MLB updates on heated divisional races including the Padres-Dodgers battle and the surprising Milwaukee Brewers' dominance
• Arizona State and USC identified as potential college football sleeper teams that could surprise in the playoff race
• Notre Dame and Texas among teams expected to regress despite high preseason rankings
• South Carolina QB Lenoir Sellers emerges as an early Heisman favorite with comparisons to Cam Newton
• The 1995 Nebraska Cornhuskers crowned as the greatest college football team ever with their 52 points per game average
• Detailed breakdown of the NFC East with Cowboys predicted to win the division despite Eagles' impressive roster
• Analysis of the Micah Parsons contract situation and Jerry Jones' negotiation tactics with star players
• Debates on the greatest NBA teams ever including the '86 Celtics, '87 Lakers, and '96 Bulls
• Discussion of all-time NBA starting five lineups featuring legends like Magic, Jordan, Bird, Wilt and Kareem
• Top boxers of all time ranging from Muhammad Ali and Sugar Ray Robinson to modern greats
And welcome everybody to another episode of Real Talk. Doc, you doing all right today.
Speaker 2:Yes, I am, yes, I am. I'm proud to have our guest. Do the intro, brother.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, absolutely. So this is my good friend, john. We've been going back and forth for probably close to 10 plus years now, just on all different sports and just having different debates here and there. So John joins. He's been on Marlin vs Marlin plenty of times and now he is on Real Talk with us. So, john, how you doing man?
Speaker 3:Doing great man. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2:Absolutely brother, Absolutely John, it's a pleasure.
Speaker 1:Yep, so we're going to dive right into it. This is the last episode of our predictions for the divisions. We have the NFC East so I know John's a huge Cowboys fan, so I have a lot to say just about the NFC East. We will get into some college football. We have some football, we had some football last week, but it really starts this weekend, so we'll dive into that as well. And then I have to throw in a little bit of NBA too. So but, doc, I know a lot of NBA or a lot of MLB has been going on over the past couple of past couple of weeks. So anything that you may want to talk about, get off your chest or anything absolutely, brother.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of uh races, hot races in in the major league baseball. You know, the san diego padres and the los angeles dodgers are in a heated race in the national league west, you know, um, I think the dodgers are up one game and it's one of those things where that's a highly contested division race because Manny Machado and Fernando Tatis and those cats are battling with Tani and Freddie Freeman and Max Muncy and those guys I'm interested in that. It's down in the stretch now. And in American League East, Toronto Blue Jays are leading their division over the powerful New York Yankees. You know, I think Stanton hit one out today. Of course nobody here ain't judged, and that's a highly contested race. You know, the Yankees are playing for not only the wild card but they hope they can overtake the Toronto Blue Jays, you know. And then, of course, the best record in baseball.
Speaker 2:Out of nowhere, John is the Milwaukee Brewers man. You know they recently had a 14-game winning streak. Two weeks ago before they got snapped. They had the best record in baseball, you know. And that's surprising. In the National League Central, and of course, where you're at, the Texas Rangers are always a threat. I love your manager, their ex-San Francisco Giants manager who won three with the Giants and he won a chip with you down in Texas Arlington. So there's always highly contested races in late August going into September. You know what.
Speaker 3:I'm saying I hear you, I don't think the Rangers are going to get. I love them dearly, I just don't think they're going to get their pitching under control. It's just still going to always be an issue. They have the bats, just never the pitching. But the, but the Mariners to me, I still think the world series is Mariners brewers. That's just my, that's just my prediction. I think the Mariners in the playoffs and play him right now.
Speaker 2:Cal Riley hit his 50th last night and this is a catcher, marlon, you knew he had some power last year. I think he had like 28 or 30 or something like that but he's off the charts this year, challenging Aaron Judge in the American League as far as the best home run hitter. 50 home runs for a catcher A demanding position. I never played baseball, john, like you and Marlon maybe, but you know, catcher is Johnny Bench to me is an all-timer and Kyle Rowley is threatening you know to be one of the best ever in the history of the sport. 50 home runs, you know. Yeah, absolutely. But I agree with you relative to the Mariners man up there in the Pacific Northwest. They sometimes get lost, john, in Marlin, but you got to keep an eye on these guys, man. That's King Griffey's old team, king Griffey Jr. You know each row. So, yeah, props to the Mariners. Good point on that, john.
Speaker 1:Yep, absolutely. So all right, oh, go ahead, john, go ahead, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:No, no, no. I think that the thing is and that's something I've just always noticed a lot in baseball. I didn't play baseball at a highly competitive level I'm talking Little League but I noticed this though in Major League Baseball, it's like the weather has a huge aspect. Some teams simply get and relax when they can play in cooler weather, and some teams are dominant in hotter weather. I don't know what it is, but you kind of watch how some teams are like oh, why does this team just get hot, like right around September? Or why does this team just get that Like the Rangers did that in 2023 when they won the pennant? It was just kind of like they just like, once it got cooled down, they just suddenly just got this burst. And so sometimes you see these teams that are better when it's hot. I don't know if Milwaukee does that as it gets cooler before them. Do they keep that same energy they have right now? I don't know. It's going to be interesting to see.
Speaker 2:Oh, man, that's a very good point, because you know 162 games, john, in Major League Baseball. That's a big-time grind. You know the weather does play a factor. So whoever wins the chip in any particular year, they've earned it. You know so. When you mention the Brewers, man, I'm an old baseball head, I'm an old guy. I remember robbing out Paul Molitor and those cats you know, back in the day, and you know it's one of those things, pete Vukovich. But yeah, that's my take on baseball. I'm all into it, man, even though my Atlanta Braves, john and Marlon not doing too good. I'm pulling for Marlon's Padres, but it's one of those things. A bad, bad year for the Braves. But I digress, man, Football season's coming up. Go ahead, marlon. That's my take on baseball. Right, good job on that, john, though.
Speaker 1:Football season is here, it's coming up and we have, like I said, we have some games in week zero, but week one officially kicks off thursday and there's no nfl, so they can take advantage of thursday, friday, uh games, which they have. So but, looking at this, we want to see some sleeper teams. So if I were to tell john I'll start with you, if you could just tell me just some sleeper teams right now in football, of course, we have the big name texas, ohio state, georgia, penn state but some sleeper teams, or even some teams that are maybe ranked 12, 13,. Whoever Is this, a couple sleeper teams you think have a shot to make it far in this playoffs coming up this year.
Speaker 3:In the playoffs make it far. The one team I think can do it just because of scheduling and the way they don't really have a rival out there is Arizona State. They're number 11 right now. Have a rival out there is Arizona state. They're number 11 right now. I think that they just they don't. They don't run into a lot of the bigger schools that they have to go through a process to kind of get beaten so they can make it slip into the tournament a little easier. They'll make it a little further than people will project them to make and I'll say it like that. I don't think they can compete with the big boys in a in a in toe-to-toe tournament, but they'll make it there.
Speaker 3:A lot of the sleeper teams that you're going to see that kind of disappeared. Last year, like I think that a sleeper team that kind of snuck in was Texas. I know they're a big team but they snuck in because no one predicted they were going to go beat Alabama and beat these teams. They just kind of did it. It was their first year in the SEC and they just kind of showed up and they just kind of showed up and they made it all the way to the tournament. That's why I consider them kind of a sleeper. They were a big sleeper. Everyone thought they were going to do big, but no one thought they were going to do that good. I think that's kind of how Arizona State might pop up and be like oh, this team isn't bad, they have a nice fundamental. I just Scadaboo the running back for the rookie for the Giants, who was a big all-world running back last year.
Speaker 2:They should have won that CFP game. I think it was against. I want to say it was against it was the Texans or Notre Dame, but that's neither here nor there.
Speaker 3:They got the call with Texas. They lost the call with Texas.
Speaker 2:That's right.
Speaker 2:That's right. That's right. That's a very good point. Yeah, they did, and you know he made the roster for the Giants. I like the way you picked up somebody on the West Coast Out here in Los Angeles. I think USC is kind of a dark horse. They got a five-star quarterback in Lincoln Riley. He had to show up that defense. So their schedule is not too daunting, marlon and John. But if you had to pick a sleeper, a team to come out of nowhere like Arizona State, I would say USC, because they do have some five-star talent on that team, especially at running back. The young quarterback I think is going to have to perform. You know, but I'm from the Southeastern Conference. I think this kid, the quarterback, lennar Sellers, keep an eye on that. John, 6'5", 240, out of South Carolina Gamecocks yeah, he is. He's like a Cam Newton clone. As far as physical abilities, he did good last year. I think this year on the Beeman they can be a team to be reckoned with in the SEC. You know, luckily my Bulldogs don't play South Carolina this year, but you get the point that this is a big team. They play for Beeman, Beemer and I think South Carolina may be a sleeper, marlon and John as far as coming out of nowhere and making noise and potentially being a CFP. Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 3:They have a good shot. There's also the fact, like I said, it's just hard In the SEC. It's kind of like cannibalism. Before you get out of there you play so many good teams, like last year. You could make an easy argument that Georgia should have been in the tournament playing there. I don't know if they were better. I don't know if there were teams that were in the tournament that weren't as good as Georgia. I don't know, but they're capable because they beat Texas. They beat teams that beat other teams in there. So it's hard.
Speaker 3:I think a lot of these kids you see them. They come out and they pop in the NFL. You're like I didn't realize that guy was that good. Well, yeah, I mean, he played a team by the amount of talent there. It's a different level of talent and speed down there. But I do think that there is a little bit of arrogance and a lot of people are also overlooking Penn State. Penn State still has a solid defense, while they don't have the same developed offense. Penn State still has a good shot because, again, they're going to go through Michigan. They'll play Ohio State. Yes, they'll play those teams, but they have a shot to beat those teams and they really do.
Speaker 2:Well, james Franklin bothers me, to be honest with you, john, as far as in a big spot, this may be his year where Drew Allard, a former five-star recruit, a quarterback. He was one of the top three players in the country coming out of high school. You know I'm a recruiting geek and I think the singleton, the running back, the big running back, he's going to help out Drew Allard, and you know you can make a case. But they got to play at Ohio State and usually that's a bugaboo for James Franklin. So we'll see. And, marlon, you mentioned the Thursday and Friday schedule. I don't know what BYU has on Thursday, but I'm certainly pulling for Coach Prime at Colorado on Friday night. I think they play Georgia Tech. It's going to be interesting to see how they can replace Travis Hunter, the Heisman winner and also Shadura Sanders' son, a quarterback on a collegiate level. You know understand they went with a transfer from somewhere instead of the five-star freshman quarterback. So props to Coach Prime. Moving on, man, let's see what he got Friday night. This is big boy stuff. Now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, big weekend, absolutely, yep, 100%, all right. So now, doc, I'll go ahead and start with you on this one. So if we're looking at teams, obviously we know some of the big names that were in the playoffs made it deep in the playoffs. If you were looking at a team that's probably going to regress, a team or two, who do you think it would be?
Speaker 2:It would probably be Notre Dame man, because they got to play at the University of Miami, right out the gate, and that's Carson Beck, the former Georgia quarterback. He's ready to show his wares. Notre Dame lost a lot in the draft. Xavier Walsh was safety and went to the Falcons, but they still had Jeremiah Love, the running back. I don't know who Notre Dame's quarterback is going to be, right out the gate on the road in Miami, but last year, remember, they lost to Northern Illinois in one of the shocking upsets in all time. So I like Marcus Freeman, but they lost a ton of skilled people. But they do got Jeremiah Love, who some people think is a Heinz mechanic.
Speaker 2:But it all starts at quarterback. To answer your question, you know I'm a Georgia Bulldog fan. You could take and make a case that Georgia, with their schedule you know, got Alabama and Texas at the crib and Athens Gunner Stockton is somewhat of an unknown. We got five-star athletes all across the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. But it depends on quarterback. Maybe we take a step back, you know. So yeah, there, you go right there and Notre Dame and Georgia.
Speaker 3:I totally agree. I also think Oregon set to take a step back to the amount of talent they lost last year as well. I'm talking West Coast teams, looking at that, the other team that I know people don't want to say it, but Texas, I think Texas, texas, while they have a great amount of talent, it is a very different game. They look good. They look good on paper. I just don't know what the amount of talent they lost from structure of offensive lineman, defensive lineman. They lost a shout out from a book but a call of Simmons down there but they can't. But they have a lot of talent. They have a lot of talent that just disappear from all American players on the, on the, on the interior, and I think that really was what made texas of such a such a monster team to play, was they always could get pressure on you, no matter even with four guys, and that it made a lot of players look a lot better.
Speaker 3:But so many losses. The secondary wide receiver quarterback yes, you have arch manning, I get it, but he still never. He's never started a game in the NCAA. He's going to start on the road against Ohio State. That's a heck of a homecoming part your first time to start out in the game. I mean, that's just like I don't know, that's a lot to ask for a freshman, for basically a freshman in the game.
Speaker 2:Well, that's interesting, john and Marlon, you'll agree, because most people have Texas in the top two or three in the country based on the Manning name. I'm willing to agree with you, except Colin Simmons and Anthony Hill Jr. Those guys are five-star talents on defense, john, with all due respect, and I think the fact that they recruit really well as far as five stars you know. But again, the quarterback position, arch Manning going into the horseshoe in a huge game, maybe the biggest game early in the year, I just think that you know that's a little bit daunting to see the safe, given that he has a short sample size to do that. And remember, ohio State has Jeremiah Smith, possibly the best player in the country at wide receiver, I heard. So yeah, that's a good point there.
Speaker 3:Ohio State also has a great recruiting class coming in. They're replacing a lot of their talent, but they get the option of playing texas at home, and that's what I mean. That noise level is just different and so when you come into, that's your first game at quarterback on the road national audience it's a little bit different. I'm not saying that texas won't be good, I'm just saying I think they regressed a little bit from that kind of experience team that you saw walk out in the field. Yeah, texas is always going to be loaded with talent. I just don't know if their talent is experienced enough to handle that environment. That's just my opinion.
Speaker 2:That's fair, john, because Matthew Golden, who's the fastest player in the country, he's in the league now. And of course they lost Love for the Cowboys. They were starting blue, I mean no blue Blue, the running back for the Cowboys. Blue, isaiah Bond, blue.
Speaker 3:Isaiah Bond. I forgot. I believe they lost. What was it? Four starting linemen on offense, yeah, and three on defense. Three on defense. It's a task, like I said. I know they have the talent behind it and I know they're always going to be stacked and recruiting. They don't even have to leave the state to do that. But the hard part is again just on the road and then the route they have to take to the SEC. I think it's a daunting task in my opinion. That's why I think they regressed a little bit.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, John. I respect that Good yeah.
Speaker 1:Perfect, all right. So now, as we look at some of these players we did mention, you know Texas and Arch Manning. If we talk in Ohio State, you know Jeremiah Smith, or even you know Jeremiah Love from out of Notre Dame. If you guys can think of an early Heisman candidate for this year, john, I'll go ahead and start with you. Who do you think is probably going to win the Heisman this year?
Speaker 3:I think you nailed it on the head when you said Sellers. I think he has the resume to do it. The other players that are really out there you could say Ryan Williams at Alabama looks really good like as a young receiver. And you could say Jeremiah Smith at Ohio State All great players but they're young and usually Heisman voters tend to go with the senior that stayed longer in school. That's why I think the North Sellers will probably get it. That stayed longer in school. That's why I think the North sellers will probably get it.
Speaker 2:But I've heard people say what's Cade Kovlick at?
Speaker 3:Clemson. I'm not sold on him yet, but we'll see those two will go head-to-head. That'll be a rivalry game.
Speaker 2:You'll probably have two Heisman Trophy candidates going head-to-head and that literally might decide who gets the trophy between those two. Yeah, I agree with that brother. Keep an eye on Nussmeyer down at LSU too, you know, because he has some skilled people. Lsu always has receivers man always, you know. Look at.
Speaker 3:Jamar Chase.
Speaker 2:Yeah, always. Yeah. Arch Manning, if he walks into Columbus and wins, I think you can vault him to the top. But you mentioned Jeremiah Love. He's a beast man, marlon. He's like B John Robinson when B John Robinson is at Texas. That's how talented this kid Love is. But again, for Notre Dame it depends on the quarterback. But you asked about Heisman Right now, jeremiah Smith, the receiver, all world man. You look at some of the receivers that came out of there in recent years and this kid, he trumps all of them.
Speaker 3:They say he's the best as a freshman. So we'll see.
Speaker 2:It's wide open, but you've got to lead with either Love and Notre Dame, marlon or Jeremiah Smith, arch Manning, we'll see. We'll see there.
Speaker 1:You go right there and the last question before I get to my uh complicated question is going to be a very thought out one, but the last question before that is uh, john, I'll go ahead and start with you. Uh, final four predictions, uh, on the for this coming up college football season, and who do you think is going to win it all?
Speaker 3:wow, that's a hard one, man. That's. That's a you know, you know I hate, you know I hate going out and and putting putting that out there because it's such a hard prediction. There's so many things that happen, from injuries and everything else. Man, that's difficult.
Speaker 3:Um, I really do like I really I really think, if you're just talking from from a shot standpoint I mentioned, I mentioned, uh, penn state earlier ohio state will be there. I don't, I don't have any doubt. I think they will beat michigan this year. Just, yeah, it's my opinion, uh, I think they will. The other team you gotta throw in there and you never, never, give them a dog, the dog fight is georgia. I think georgia just georgia just looks tough on defense, on offense they just look like a grind-out team.
Speaker 3:I think you could see two Big Ten teams and two SEC teams in there, and that's literally why I kind of pick Texas to be there again. I think they'll be there, but I think they'll regress. That's my opinion. I pick them to regress also. I think they could be there just because of the amount of the amount of votes they get. If they go and play tough games against tough teams, they can still make it into that tournament as long as they don't ever get destroyed by anyone. I think they're in that conversation still to win it all. To win it all, I'm still going to go with Ohio State again.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's interesting, john. I'm going to go with Clemson man, tj Parker, and the other edge rusher. They got Clemson, georgia, ohio State and Texas. Those are my four. I mentioned Notre Dame, possibly making a regret Now if they walk into Miami and beat Miami and Carson Beck on the road then you got to because the rest of their schedule is garbage being independent, but I just don't see Miami losing at home, right out the gate, at Carson Beck, on the road, then you got it because the rest of their schedule is garbage. You know to be an independent, but I just don't see Miami losing at home, right at the gate, at the crib. But anyway, I digress, you know. So you got my four right there Real quick.
Speaker 2:John and Marlon, we got to get some respect for these monster matchups. Alabama, at Florida state, you know, mentioned LSU at Clemson and Death Valley, a violent place to play, walking down that hill touching a rock. Of course. Ohio State, texas, you know, and it's one of those things where men are made. This is why you play the sport, marlon and John, because you go through hard summer practices and workouts to play games like this as a five-star, or a four-star if you will. College football beat us over the head with magnifying games out the gate, and I might even be missing one, you know.
Speaker 3:Right, there's some great football on Saturday. I mean I don't think I'm going anywhere. I don't think I'm going anywhere. I'm watching football because it's just, and, and the crazy thing is the magnitude of these games. They're equal to like the NFL openers. In my opinion, the talent level you're seeing is pretty similar to most of these guys you will see on Sundays. That's why I love college football so much is just the immense talent you have and the way that now they have to play each other. It makes it great.
Speaker 2:Well, let me ask you this, john Marlin. With all due respect, john, who's under more pressure to win it all this year or win at a big? I think it's Kelly at LSU. Ryan Day is just winding at it. Kirby Smart's won two. You can make a case of Sarkeesian. The Clemson coaches won two or three about four or five years ago battling with Alabama. Who's under more pressure? Is it Marcus Freeman at Notre Dame? I think the kid, the guy, the coach Kelly at LSU. He's lost every game since he's been there in week one. The only reason.
Speaker 3:I didn't pick Nesmeyer to be a Heisman Trophy candidate is because of that. I don't know if his system or his brand of football is taking on there. I'm not saying that he's not a good coach, please don't. There's no insult to him. I don't know if his brand of football has taken hold at LSU, because when you watch them they just don't look polished and that's the thing. Like Sarkeesian teams you saw him when he was at USC, you saw him when he played on his team still look like they know what they're doing. Kelly's team this year just seems like last year didn't seem like they understood the concept of his game. Like sometimes they were just a little off. I don't know what it was, it was just like when they're. But when you're playing Texas, georgia, alabama, ole Miss, you're playing some teams You've got to come with a chin strap on and so just being a little step off makes you look like a bad team. They're not a bad team, they just didn't look like they were in cohesion.
Speaker 2:That's just my observation yeah, he's never would have been a big game coach in my opinion. As far as preparation, that's a very good. Lsu has skilled people. Marlon, that's football heaven down there, tiger Stadium, the state of Louisiana in and of itself. So good point. On that, john, something's missing there, the. On that, john, something's missing there.
Speaker 3:The mix is not right. They can recruit right out of Texas, right in southern Louisiana. The recruiting base they have, you have a national. That's the same recruiting base that Joe Burrow won with. They're not lacking talent. That's why I said I just think it's a coach. In my opinion and I'm not trying to knock the guy it just seems like something isn't clicking with what's going on from his X's and O's to the display on the field. They don't understand the concept. Or it's gone or it's just not.
Speaker 2:There's no connection there in my opinion, that's right and real quick, marlon. If I may, lincoln Riley out here in USC, the big city of Los Angeles. They're on his ass. So he has to make a move fast. Trust me, he's out. This is Marcus Allen has to make a move fast, you know. Trust me. You know he's out. You know they were all. This is marcus allen. This is oj simpson school matt leiter, reggie bush. You don't flounder around and out here in five years and think you're gonna be okay. So yeah, there you go. Go ahead, marlin I love it.
Speaker 1:I love it. This is, this is great stuff. Guys, I'm sitting back just listening. Just it's amazing. So, all right, so we're talking about lsu, texas, the big schools, um, we can go on. And on ohio state, you know, notre dame, if you guys can think and I know this is there, there are a million different answers that you can give but the top five best teams of all time, when you think of just the, the, the, oh five, uh, usc trojans, or Doc, your Bulldogs a few years back. So there's been a lot of great teams and, doc, I know you can go back to the 60s with this question, but just the top five, doc, I'll go ahead and start with you on this one Top five college teams of all time in your opinion.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, of course I'm biased and John, you might agree with this. 2022, Georgia beat TCU 65-7,. You know, and that's after overcoming CJ Stroud and Ohio State. That team was loaded man. Mikel Williams, malachi Starks, n'kobe Dean, all those cats, you know. Jalen Walker was the number one pick for the Falcons. That team was loaded. Stetson Bennett, jalen Carter was the number one pick for the Falcons. That team was loaded. Stetson Bennett, jalen Carter yeah, jalen Carter, philly, all pro, he was the main starboard. Marlon on defense, right there Now look at what he's doing with the Eagles. So I say, the 2022 Georgia team. Remember Ohio State should have beat Georgia, but the kicker missed the 50-yarder and propelled Georgia and once they got past Ohio State, they annihilated TCU 65-7. 15-0. I'll start there.
Speaker 2:Number five, number four the 2019 LSU team with Joe Barrow, you know. Jamar Chase, justin Jefferson they were averaging 50 a game blew out everybody. Sec championship game blew out Georgia. And then then they, you know, they walked through everybody. Joe Burrow was the first pick of the draft because of that one season, you know. And okay, number three 2011, the Alabama team with Mark Ingram, Julio Jones, rolando McClain, mount Cody on defense. Mcclain was all pro for the Raiders. Hard linebacker yeah, of course you know about Julio Jones, that 2011 Bama team. Nick Saban that was the second end of a back-to-back. They won the 0-10, too, look it up, okay. And number two 0-4,. Usc Reggie Bush, matt Liner, lindell White Some of the linemen that they had went pro, you know.
Speaker 2:Sam baker left tackle, you know, but that team and oh, four, not the old fire team that lost to texas, the old four team. That was great. They were blowing out everybody in the pack 10 at the time, man and you know. And they went back to the natty and lost to texas. But was that really a great Texas team? Or was it just Vince Young? So, yeah, I got to put 0-4 up there. Number two, number one done that. 95 Nebraska team. There you go. Florida, 62-14, or whatever it was. Tommy Frazier, lawrence Phillips you know they had when they tell you to put 62 points on Steve Spurrier's team at Florida, that's something you know, tommy Frazier. And then that was a back-to-back title from Nebraska, nebraska. But Tommy Frazier, man was a was a man among men, more boys, you know. And then Marlon, uh, that 95 team, you know yeah.
Speaker 2:Insane man. Lawrence Phillips was a beast, Uh, but you know.
Speaker 1:I'm old head.
Speaker 2:You know just missing. The Phillips was a beast but you know I'm old head. You know just missing the cut was the 85 Oklahoma team with Jamel Holloway and Bosworth. You know they had a nice little running back. You can mention the 76 Pitt team with Matt Cavanaugh and Tony Dorsett. You know I'm missing. The USC team of 78 with Charles White who won the Heisman that year. You know some'm missing. The USC team of 78 with Charles White who won the Heisman that year. You know some of the great Miami teams John with Jimmy Johnson and Michael Irvin, you know was a star receiver. So there's a lot of teams out there. The Nebraska team in 83. You know what.
Speaker 2:Mike 71. Yeah, 71. Yeah, baby. Yeah, you know Johnny Rogers. So yeah, yeah, 71. Yeah, baby. Yeah, you know Johnny Rogers. So yeah, but I'm sticking with. You know my five Georgia, LSU, Bama at three, Number two is USC and then 95, Nebraska team led by Tommy Frazier. I think that's the best team ever, man. You know that team was loaded, yeah, but go ahead.
Speaker 3:John, you actually won't get any argument from me because you stole my number one team. That's just my number one. The craziest thing they have the highest margin of victory of any team in NCAA history since World War II. Like literally, that's their crazy record. They average 52 points a game and only allow 14.5. That's insane.
Speaker 1:That's sick.
Speaker 3:The greatest comment I've ever heard one of the defensive linemen in Florida. They said he knew he was going to lose. They said they ran the double option. It was in the second play. He said he looked up and he realized that all the linebackers for Florida were on the ground and all the offensive linemen were on the ground. Nebraska was in their huddle and that's what he said.
Speaker 3:He knew we were going to lose at that moment. That's his domination. The only reason I'm starting backwards is because of your. The 95 Nebraska Cornhuskers will probably never get the flash and NFL contracts they had from there because it just it was old school style football. That probably won't return, but it was still beautiful to watch.
Speaker 3:The number two team I'm going to go backwards is actually the 2001 Miami Hurricanes. Yeah, wow, that team with Ed Reed, sean Taylor, I mean Vince Woolfolk, I believe they had six Hall of Famers now on that team that ended up playing there. Yeah, and it was Clinton Portis at running back Willie.
Speaker 2:McGahee, yeah, willie McGahee.
Speaker 3:You had a team. That just what was the wide receiver? I forgot his name. Oh gosh, andre Johnson. Andre Johnson, I couldn't remember his name. Yes, you all said Jeremy Shockey at tight end. That team was that team was. They beat the Nebraska Cornhuskers in that game and that was. They just demolished them and there's no disrespect to Nebraska.
Speaker 2:They just were that good. Jonathan Velma was on that team. Yeah, 100% yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm going to throw in that 2018 LSU team. That was, I'm sorry, the 2018-19 team that won. That was the. That championship was so the odds of them winning that season. It was insane. The talent they beat. I think they were one of the greatest ever. They have to be thrown in there After that. This is a tough one. I would throw the USC because you put the 0-4 USC team there. I actually think the 0-5 USC team was better, but I think they just Texas without Vince Young is not there, but that Texas team has to get some love on that too, so I got to throw them in there. I got to throw that 0-5 Texas team because, just head to head, they won.
Speaker 3:Now, if you play that game 20 times, does that same outcome happen? I don't think so, but they won that day times. Does that same outcome happen? I don't think so, but they won that day. They're the better team. Call it a game. Um, yeah, number five, number five, the final, the final one I can get. That's a. That's a real hard toss-up for me. I really like a lot of the alabama teams in the 2000s. I mean they have some really great teams, but you got to go way back and I'm going to still go 71 nebraska over that. Oh, that's the, that's the one. I'm going to put a number top five.
Speaker 2:Yeah, johnny, johnny Rogers, yeah, heisman yeah.
Speaker 3:My dad gave me a gift of old football basketball knowledge and I watched it and learned from him and man, I actually love the old style football, the triple option and speed options. I mean it's it's still beautiful to me to watch.
Speaker 2:That's a good point relative to the 05 Texas team because remember they had the offensive line was massive man. You know they had big, big Leonard. What was his last name? 6'7", leonard Davis, leonard Davis. They had Justin Blaylock, a left guard. The only reason I know that Blaylock played for my Falcons that year and you know Vince Young was the third pick in that draft that year. You know, overall and they had some defensive linemen on that team that was massive and big. So yeah, good point on that man.
Speaker 3:Yeah, a lot of starters came out of that secondary as well, and Richard Kilbrew at linebacker should have played it, not injured. You know, sergio Kendall, those guys like that, but he got injured for the linebacker yeah. He had a fractured skull. He's a local kid here in Dallas. He got injured, never played in the NFL, but still that team was stacked.
Speaker 2:Yeah man, Leonard Davis, Big Len. They call him Massive, Massive man. When I say massive, he was 6'7 and like 350. At that time he was the biggest player to enter the draft in years or enter the league Big letter. He was Good job on that, John, yeah, Perfect.
Speaker 1:This is great. This is great. All right. So now we got some NFL to do and then I have a little bit of treat at the end with the little NBA. So on to the NFL. John, you're a huge Cowboys fan. I know it's been an emotional roller coaster. We'll talk about the Cowboys last, but first I just want to start with Philly. What are your thoughts on Philly? Do you think they're going to, you know, win the division again? And I know that there's that stat that's out there that says that, you know, nobody in the NFC has repeated for division winners. So what are your thoughts on Philly and what they're going to do this year and the additions they made and all that?
Speaker 3:Out of pure tradition. You know I cannot stand that team in Philadelphia the pigeons as I call them. This just I don't. But they had a spectacular year and they found the perfect balance last year. But there's this thing, if you ever notice it, whenever Dak Prescott gets injured, the Philadelphia Eagles won a Super Bowl Last time when he broke his ankle against the Giants, they ended up going to the Super Bowl as well. They're essentially without the challenge in the NFC East. They get a lot better. I don't think they win the division this year. I think they have a really good shot at doing it. It's just really hard to do the back to back NFC's. It's just a super competitive division. I think they can test for it and I think they might even go to back to Super Bowl, but I don't think they want to do NFC's.
Speaker 2:Wow, that's interesting, brother. That's interesting because I beg to differ with that, because not only did they replenish the draft with an injured N'Kobe Dean, a linebacker, the kid from Alabama, jahar Campbell.
Speaker 3:Insane Jalen.
Speaker 2:Carter. Yeah, insane. They lost some corners but they got defense coming back. Man Jalen Carter. You know I like Zach Braun, big Jordan Davis. That division's brutal. Now Don't get it twisted, because you still got Jaden Daniels in Washington and you know there's rumblings out of the Giants they're going to be better than they used to be. I mean the.
Speaker 3:Giants pass rush looks insane right now With Abdul Carter Thibodeau, abdul Carter Dexter Lawrence.
Speaker 2:Dexter Lawrence out of Clemson. Yes, that's a scary pass rush, but it all depends on Dallas man. You got George Pickers now brother, the opposite of CeeDee Lamb and Marley. I know you was getting to this question. What are you expecting out of Dak John right now, today, if he stays healthy, because when he plays they win 12 games, you know when he's called.
Speaker 3:Every time Dak comes back from that injury man, when he misses a season he comes back sharper. If you actually saw him I actually saw him do their practice in Frisco at the star. He looks a little bit lighter Like. He looks like he's probably dropped about 10 pounds or so. But they say they said Dak, they said the joke that Dak has abs now because he's running more. So he's more of a mobile quarterback.
Speaker 3:I don't like him running, because I think that's when he gets injured. But he tends to come back whenever he gets injured or misses part of the season. He comes back sharper, giving him George Pickens. I think Dak's ready to go off.
Speaker 2:Well, you guys are down there in Texas from the outside looking in, man Pickens is the all-world. He came from Georgia. His hands, you know he got Ferguson. You know the kid, the rookie blue, I think is a stud Marlon, down there in Texas. You already know about him. He was down there Defensively. John, come on now. You got Bland. You got Diggs coming back.
Speaker 3:Diggs has been cleared. They have Chevelle coming off. He's on IR right now. He should be coming back. The thing thing is, defensively they they seem to have a. I'm going to tell you this look at the look out for the Cowboys defensive rotation. Not just, not just Michael Parsons, because they got Dante Fowler from the Redskins. He was their leading pass rusher last year at eight sacks. He's now. He's now Michael Parsons backup. So their defensive rotation has gotten better. They have a lot of good rookies coming in. Marshawn Keelan is in his second year. He's coming back from injury. That team does look good. The thing is only one question Can the Cowboys stop the run? If they can't stop the run, it doesn't matter how good their pass rush is, because I don't need a pass against you. So they have to figure out how to do that.
Speaker 2:The big kid from Michigan has been a disappointment. Big, massive guy two years ago, first rounder. But you got some size man you drafted Anthony, I mean the kid Booker. Alabama at right guard, zach Martin retired but the world wants to know what the hell is going on with Micah Parsons and Jerry Jones. This is big boys. This is big noise here. Marlon, you can win. I know you want to ask the question. I just steal it from you, brother. This is why don't you pay him? You know 12 sacks four years in a row, one of the three players ever to do it. Why are you tripping with a kid in his prime at 26? I want to know. On the outside looking game. It's on the news everywhere. Go they be where. Go ahead, john Marlon, it don't matter.
Speaker 3:Marlon, I'll let you go first. You like the answer.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no. This is your team, this is you. Trust me Go ahead.
Speaker 3:Okay, so from what I understand I'm not sure if you had, and I give this as a point of reference the Cowboys have their documentary on Netflix if you haven't seen it America's Team.
Speaker 3:One thing Jerry Jones is really big on is he walks into a man. He's kind of like the old Texas oil guys. He walks in and shakes a hand, calls a business. He still says that he agreed to make Michael Parsons the highest paid non-quarterback in March. He said he had an agreement with him. He's done.
Speaker 3:What the issue is now is allegedly is that Michael Parsons' agent said he wasn't involved in those talks and he doesn't want to have them. So he said Jerry Jones alleges that he sent the contract over to them, that they rejected the contract because he wasn't involved in the negotiations. So it's now two hard-headed opinions that Jerry Jones says I'm going to keep my word, you're going to keep yours. But he doesn't want to bring in the agent involved in it because he thinks the agent's just going to try and rack up more money. That's unnecessary and so he's trying to get away from that.
Speaker 3:The hard part of this is is that michael parsons is a dallas cowboy for the next three seasons, whether he likes it or not, because at the end of this year they can franchise tag him and they can franchise tag him again in 2027. So he's going to be a dallas cowboy here. He doesn't have the ability to leave, so he can be mad, but he's going to be here, and that's how Jerry Jones views it. So he's like hey, I'd take this deal right now because it's not going to get cheaper for the Cowboys but it's not going to get better for Micah Parsons either.
Speaker 2:See, I didn't know that. I didn't know he was under contract for two more years. Forget this year, you know. Now it begs the question, and, marlon, I think you'll agree Can the Dallas Cowboys go where they want to go without Micah Parsons? You know the other players in the locker room when they're off of contracts they see what. Now he's tripping with Micah Parsons. Do they want to go through? It's a locker room thing. Now it's so bad that he wants out. He wants to be traded.
Speaker 2:That's not good in the locker room, john, you know you don't want to go into the season on the road in Philly with this hanging over your head and other players looking at this a premier player so when they're off a contract, your take on this whole deal. Man, it's bad going into the season.
Speaker 3:I think that the hard part is you also have to realize that Jerry Jones loves drama. I mean, he truly loves making us so proud of this. We saw this last year with the year before, we saw it with Duck, then we saw it with CD Lamb. They held out right before the season. Literally two days before the season he re-signs them. He just likes the.
Speaker 3:The thing is is, whether you like Dallas Cowboys or not, jerry Jones is kind of like reality television. You want to look away but you're going to watch it anyway. And he makes the drama that when you walk in into philadelphia they're gonna watch. They have to watch the philadelphia eagles do their ring ceremony, which is like christmas to philly fans because they get to what they get to do their ring ceremony in front of the cowboys. But they're gonna do that. And then he has the drama of what's the? What's the headline everywhere on the news how is michael parsons? Michael parsons gonna perform? Is he gonna suit up? Is he mad at jerry? So he loves that. And that kind of media attention generates ratings which he then sells, which he then makes into marketing. He can sign Micah Parsons right after the game, before the game, slide him a contract, do whatever he can do that, but he likes the headlines and I would bet, I would bet, probably on Tuesday they make an announcement that he re-signed him. Wow, wow, on Tuesday they make an announcement that he re-signed him.
Speaker 2:Wow, wow, that's a good response. Yeah, I heard that before that he loves this kind of attention. And Marlon, here we are. You're a little charged as my little line of Falcons. We're tuned in to this drama here, as John referenced, because they did it American's team with the star, you know, yeah, and I got Cowboy fans that are sick of it, but it goes noted, man, none, cowboy fans are dialed into this because you're not talking about a 31-year-old Trey Henderson for the Bengals, you come out a 26-year-old in the prime. So good response, john, good job.
Speaker 1:Anybody that ever got cut.
Speaker 1:I'll let you go on a second, john. Anybody that ever got cut didn't make the roster. They had all their roster cuts. Today, so early in the morning, you're hearing about this person got cut, that person got it. Didn't matter who it was. That didn't, you know, make the team or made the team.
Speaker 1:This is, this is the biggest story. And in Dallas it's just. You've seen this happen with CD and you've seen it happen with Dak and it's you know when is it going to happen? And he wants to stay there and and teams can request to trade all they want to. That doesn't mean they have to do anything. If you don't show up, you're going to get fined. So you can request to trade all you want to. Most likely it's not going to happen. Mclaurin did the same thing. He ended up getting his deal, which was great because it's a week and a half before the season starts. So down there in Washington, which we're getting ready to talk about in a second, like it's good that they have their guy and they're moving forward and they're all about business. So this is, it's a circus, it's a clown show and Jerry just wants all of the attention and this is the $10 billion you know franchise If Jerry really wanted to.
Speaker 3:Really and I'm just going as crazy as I know Jerry would do something like this, and this is his old shoot from the hip, old Jerry Jones. You could see Jerry Jones waiting a couple years, waiting right now, not re-signing Michael Parsons doing the franchise tag and then, when old Arch Manning's coming out of Texas throwing someone and getting the first overall pick for him, I could see Jerry Jones doing something like that.
Speaker 3:Wow, it wouldn't be out of character for him, because then Dak's contract would be up. You have a young quarterback come in and he loves that. He loves putting the Manning in the Cowboys jersey and having him walk around and get the ratings off that. He'll love that all day.
Speaker 2:That's a new one. Good point on that, john. Never thought of that. A lot of people never thought about it, but it goes noted, brother, yeah.
Speaker 3:If I'm wrong, we can. We can tag this show, Remember I called it, yeah, so looking at the other team.
Speaker 1:We really don't have to dive into the Giants, but we can. But looking at the other team, the relevant team, that's there. You did say that you did not think, john. You did not think that the Philly would win the division again. Are you thinking a team like Washington, with as good as they played in their rookie uh, with their rookie quarterback, do you think that team is going to make it? Or do you think they'll probably have a sophomore slump? Uh, well, jayden daniels will have a sophomore slump. What are you thinking about washington?
Speaker 3:I. I think that jayden daniels will experience the same thing that cj stroud experienced that after teams have 17 games of looking at what you do, well, they go against that. Um, I don't think like they just re-signed Scary Terry to his deal. They got that. I don't think that they have. Like if you look at the games they won last year they beat a lot of backup quarterbacks. I think the only starting quarterback they beat this year was Joe Burrow, the quarterback. They didn't play a lot of starting teams. They had a pretty easy schedule.
Speaker 3:This year they're going to play a tougher schedule and I'm not sure if that defense can hold up. Their best pass rusher is Von Miller. Shout out to Minnesota High School, von Miller, going out there. But Von Miller, he's my age, he's 36. That's your best pass rusher. I don't expect them to keep that pass rusher up for 17 games. The reason why? I just think I think they have too many problems at running back. I think they have too many problems at Debo Samuels and Scary Terry wide receiver. Okay, great, but how do you get in positions in games where you can utilize your strengths? Are you going to play from behind and pass all day, or I don't know. The team to me looks disorganized, it looks discombobulated and I just don't really trust them going against tougher teams.
Speaker 2:John, it goes noted man. Now, the only thing on my end that I'm scared about Jaden Daniels. He's not a big guy, he's really thin and he runs. He is, you know, this is not Josh Allen at 247 pounds or 250. This is Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 2:You mentioned they got rid of the running back. Robinson to the 49ers. You know, and you know teams do do tape and film work, marlon, you know, and John made a good point. They figure you out. I thought CJ Stroud was going to make all pro in his second year based off his rookie year, but this is the NFL the injury, 17 games and he's doing all that running. That's my concern on him. Now, debo Samuel might go out there and show his ass and do good, as well as Terry, scary Terry, as you referenced, but the running game, that's going to be problematic because you know, to me I like Robinson, you know, and he's gone Defensively Von Miller DeSoto, texas big football powerhouse, 36, as you referenced, you know, I think they got a nice little corner or safety, I forget what it was, but this is the NFC East man, you know.
Speaker 3:I also thought that Washington really could have. I was sitting watching the draft and I was sure Washington was going to draft Jihad Campbell because I thought he could have been a hybrid kind of pass rusher, non-pass rusher and really Fix. I thought they botched the draft. I think Washington draft horribly. If Washington had draft better, I would have them in a better. I think Dallas' second-round pick is better than Washington's first-round pick in the previous draft and so I think that there's a. I don't think that they did well to replenish what they lost and I think they're kind of riding the high of hey, we had a good first season, we're coming back and building this team, but that doesn't mean the NFL doesn't adjust the hard part. The reason why there's always a different team that wins in the NFC East is because they all get better every year. They all draft well, they all go out and get free agents. It's a hard division to play in Well agents.
Speaker 2:It's a hard division to play in. Well, the commander is drafted and I'm a draft geek Josh Connolly, the big offensive tackle for Oregon. It does nothing for me. I know you've got to protect the franchise but, as you referenced, they need defense. They need edge rushers and they could have got you John Campbell. Or they could have got Maxwell Harrison, the cornerback, out of Kentucky and went to the Bills Something to show that defense.
Speaker 3:Or Mike Green from Marshall. Yeah the edge rusher. I thought it would have been a great pick right there, but I just think to me that's going to be their Achilles heel. And when your best pass rusher went to Dallas and he's a backup now, and then they have Armstrong, who was the other side he was a rotational player from Dallas. I don't think that you can survive in the NFC East with that measure. Pass rush, I mean right now the Giants have a better pass rush and defense than Washington, in my opinion?
Speaker 2:Well, absolutely. And here you go, marlon. I have to scare you, let's go. You're on the hot seat. Give me the order of finish in the NFC East, top to bottom, one through four, right now, today, august 26th, go ahead, john.
Speaker 3:Oh, okay, me Okay, I'm going to go. Cowboys, eagles, commanders, giants.
Speaker 2:All right, all right, we referenced some of those teams. Commanders, giants All right, all right, we referenced some of those teams. You know the Giants thing, marlon, the rookie quarterback, darn Jackson, darn. Now, russell Williams had a decent, but they're high on him. And remember Saquon's in Philly. You know, everything in the preseason, gentlemen, is kind of bland, boring, but nobody shows their stuff. So if you're going to put the kid out there he's going to get blown up. So they'd be better off starting. Russell Wilson I know people clamoring for Jackson Dart. He looked good, but you know you don't want to get him killed. So yeah, I'm going to go. Marlon and John, I'm going to go Philly man in Dallas in second and Washington in third and Giants fourth. I just can't discount Philly, john. I'm sorry man.
Speaker 3:There's also this thing in the NFL, and I'm just saying this as a guy who's been a lifelong Cowboys fan son of a lifelong Cowboys fan If rosters won Super Bowls, the Cowboys would have 50. The Phillies roster is great, but to play 17 games without injury to keep all those guys healthy, I don't know if that happens. I don't know if Saquon stays healthy again. I don't know if he gets an injury. I don't know what happens. What does that team look like without Saquon? What does that team so? That's why I say I can't discount what happens, because it just. I've just seen so much of the NFL. When that happens, we're like that team was perfect. Why didn't they make it? It just didn't, and that's why I'm looking at Philly. That's how I think of Philly right now.
Speaker 2:Well being, the NFC East, would you say. Jalen Hurst is underrated. People don't even consider him a top-ten quarterback. This guy's been to two Super Bowls Marlon and John and won one. I know he's not a pure, pure throw, but he makes enough plays on the ground and AJ Brown where they actually won the bowl. We're not talking about a strut here.
Speaker 3:I'll give him this. I'll give him this. I think he is over and underrated at the same time. I think a lot of people put him into the top five and I don't think he's a top five quarterback and a lot of people put him in the foot to say, you know, he's a complete bum. He's not a bum, he's not. The hard part to evaluate aj brown, I mean, uh, the higher degree buyer of him is when he plays as a quarterback, not with his talent but with as a quarterback, because a year ago, in between those two super bowls, he basically tampa bay threw him in the playoffs and throw him in man-to-man coverage and said, hey, beat us and us. And he couldn't because they literally just stacked the box and said, hey, you're going to beat us in man-to-man. Aj Brown left injured and he was done and there was nothing else they could do to me. That doesn't mean that he's a bad player, that doesn't mean he's that. It just I can't put him in the the Joe Burrow the conversation.
Speaker 3:So he's. So I think he's a great player. I think he's a great character, great, upstanding guy, Other than playing for a horrible franchise. I think he's a great guy, but I just don't put him up there. I do think he does get unnecessary knocks against him, but he has an odd throwing motion sometimes when he plays. But out of play action man, that guy is a monster. His play action read is just destructive. But once he gets Saquon it's really hard to stop him. It really is, because you have to account for too much.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a good point, that's a good response there, man, Just give me top ten. Man, I'm not even asking for top five because I wish I had a young quarterback like Michael Penning. The jury's still out a small sample size. But Jalen Hurst man, he did it in college, Martin. I think they led the offense in Oklahoma and led the nation to a top five when he came out and then, I guess, to the league. He just doesn't get the props for my. No, he's not a pure thrower, John. So yeah, I'm not putting him in top five, but give me top 10. Might even nine you know.
Speaker 3:That's all right, I agree with that. I agree with that. That wouldn't be an unfair assessment and I think to me he gets more credit. If you're comparing comparison, you can say, for whatever reason Brock Purdy gets more credit for being on a stack team than Jalen Hurts gets knocked for. Like Brock Purdy without a stack team probably isn't that good. Like Brock Purdy without a stack team probably isn't that good. Jalen Hurts to me, I think he's still a serviceable, decent quarterback. I just don't think he's the elite passer that people think he is when he's not. That's just my opinion.
Speaker 2:But there you go, marlon, I like it. Yeah, there you go, I like it, okay.
Speaker 1:All right. So it's getting close to closing time here, but a couple quick questions for you guys. But a couple quick questions for you guys. So, doc, I'll go ahead and start with you on this one. I know it's just like how we did with the college football NBA. So top five NBA teams of all time. Now I know, doc, again you can go back to the 60s or you could turn around and say this OKC team from last year, so which I know you're not going to be in there, but but yeah, you're very broad when it comes to this, so go for it, top five teams, john and Marlon.
Speaker 2:I'm going to start from the top man. The 86 Celtic team with Bill Walton, bird, mchale, parrish, dennis Johnson, you had Rick Roby. You had, of course, carlisle, the coach of the Pacers. That team was so stacked, john, and I remember you blew through the East, blew out everybody. A great Milwaukee team with Sidney Mellon-Creeve, you know my guy, bob Lanier, blew through the Hawks Detroit before the Detroit Pistons were the Pistons. That 86 Celtic team to me is the best in the history of the sport.
Speaker 2:You can mention some teams in the 60s with Bill Russell, with, you know, koozie and all that, but I'm taking this 86 Celtic. Number two would be the 87, just a year later, the 87 Lakers. You know they had depth, man. You know Michael Thompson, mike McGee, and that's not to mention Magic, kareem, big Cap and Worthy and Byron Scott. That team had depth Michael Cooper. So I'm going to say 86 Celtics and 87 Lakers. You know the top two. And then you got to put the 96 Bulls in there Because you know the 70 winners. That's something else, man. Anytime you mention Jordan's team with Dennis Rodman and Scottie Pippen, people forget how good they really were. You know they toyed with people. You know that's number three. Number four yes, I'm going to go back in time and put the 72 Lakers in there with Will. You know Jerry West, you know Kuzman, that team John won 33 games in a row, which is unheard of in the NBA, even back then. Never to be broken. 33 games and this is a big win.
Speaker 1:I'm a willed guy you know, oh, I'm a willed guy.
Speaker 2:That 72 team. Yeah, that 72 team, marlon was monstrous. And then, of course, you know number five, you know, being out here in LA, I think the 0-2 Colby and Shaq leaders went 15-1, some sick number in the entire playoffs. You can mention some other teams, maybe the Golden State team, but those Golden State teams they can't battle Shaq you talking about Draymond Green at 6'8", 6'9". So I'm putting that Colby and Shaq team. I think it was 0-2. It had to be. They beat the Patriots. They were 15-1,. Marlon and the whole season dominated everybody, you know. And so yeah, so yeah, I'm going with it. They had Ori on their team, fisher. So yeah, there you go right there. Those are my top five. Go ahead, john, yeah.
Speaker 3:Oh, wow, okay, that's a hard act to follow, man. That's really tough. I'm going to go way back, because I said my dad used to teach me about old basketball. I'm going to go back to number five. I'm going to put the 66, 67, 76ers with as well. They had 68,. They had 68 wins on 13 losses that season.
Speaker 3:That was one of those, one of those dominant teams ever as well the, the, the, the. When you're talking about basketball, this is where it's really hard. Whenever somebody says ever and I hear people say greatest ever, and I was like, if you don't have a conversation, in that conversation I don't know what to tell you. That man was designed like basketball. The rules of basketball would have been totally different if they met that man and it was designed. But I digress from that. I'm going to then put Los Angeles Lakers, the team there that was just Kobe and Shaq. You just can't, it's just unstoppable. I can't do anything with that.
Speaker 3:Then my list is just kind of your list, but backwards a little bit different. I put the 87 Lakers right there, right behind them, at number three, and the 86 Celtics at number two, but my number one team has to be the 95-96 Bulls. I just the versatility of that team and the ability for them to just crush and destroy teams that were like you watched them, it wasn't basketball anymore, it was just watching this team just I mean ruin careers. I mean, patrick Ewing is not. It was a much better player than his playoff record will show. But this guy, michael Jordan and his teams, just showed up and you saw the team without Michael Jordan, and that's why I think it's most impressive is you saw them the year before without Michael Jordan and they got. They were good, they were a really good team. You saw them with Michael Jordan. They were unstoppable and no one knew what to do with them, and I think that's why I think that team is the number one overall.
Speaker 2:And Marlon. The East, as John referenced, was brutal back then, man, as far as that team with Jordan and Pippen and all that, people forget that New York Knicks team with Anthony Mason and Charles Oakley, you know, and Ewing and those cats, xavier McDaniel and the Pacers with the Davis boys and Miller, benny and Shaq, yeah, benny and Shaq. Yeah, those are Eastern Conference teams. That's arguably one of some of the best teams in the history of the sport, but Jordan walked through that that one year. So that's good, especially the Knicks man, and I'm an Oakley guy, mason, oh yeah, they could not see Jordan.
Speaker 3:It's like Jordan. I apologize to anyone who's a younger viewer, who may not have watched a lot of these games, but the basketball is just different there. When you have a man in the paint that can control that paint, you can't drive down the lane. These guards getting easy baskets today driving in the lane. There's nobody there, they will get thrown to the ground and they get a ball smacked back in their face. It's a different type of basketball.
Speaker 2:Well, no flagrant back then, and you can hand check. Jordy's getting thrown on his head before they got hard, as Grant and those guys, because Detroit Mahone, we forgot about Detroit.
Speaker 3:If you did a top 20, a couple of Detroit Kings would be on there, no doubt in the 80s.
Speaker 2:But not top five, yeah right, no, no, no, you're right. Very good point. So there you go, marlon, I love this. Take man with John, go ahead.
Speaker 1:Okay, and then the last basketball question. John, I'll start with you on this one. If you're creating your all-time starting five, so you know one through five essentially, and I've been throwing a six-man If you got a one through five, if you just you know, whoever you know, from Wessel Westbrook to Oscar Robinson, steph, whoever- Magic one through five.
Speaker 3:Who do you? Got One through five. I'm going to start at the point. I got to put Magic there. I mean it's between him and Big O, but I got to put Magic there. He has some versatility. At number two, I got to. Maybe I got to go with my sixth man. I'm going to throw Kobe in there as my sixth man just because he's my favorite player growing up. But Michael Jordan is still going to be the A1. He's a great shooting guard. I got to throw him there.
Speaker 3:And then I know this might be offensive again to the new school players, but I'm going to throw in an old school guy, elgin Baylor. I'm going to put him on there just to throw that in. He never gets enough love, but to me, one of the greatest pure basketball players ever, just with your skill, talent, everything, it's amazing. And he worked a day job while playing in the NBA. Just thinking about that. Then I got to go. Now, just with the two towers, I'm going to go Kareem and Will, and that's the. I don't need to explain why those guys are there. That's just the to me. I think that team right there, you couldn't beat them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's very good and I love Will Marlon. Will averaged 15 and 25 and didn't win the MVP. They gave it to Russell 15 and 25. You know, it might have even been 26.
Speaker 3:He also had the quadruple double 54 points, 27 what was it? 54 points, 38 rebounds, 27 assists, 25 steals. Will was incredible on the ball defender too, even at 7-1, he would steal the ball from guys. People forget about that, but just insane athlete, insane strength. There's a whole story that they tell about Wilt Chamberlain saying that he was playing against Larry Bird, a bunch of other guys after he was retired at one of Magic's pickup games and he said there will be no more layups in this gym today and proceeded to block everyone's layup while he was retired. I mean that just the guy wasn't safe, just sick.
Speaker 2:And Marnie, this is real talk, man, he could have been an all-world volleyball player. He was a track athlete at Kansas. He played so long ago, john, that people don't really appreciate the numbers. His numbers are so sick, monty, and it's shocking. You know, and you mentioned the quadruple-double. I just nobody would break his records in over six years. You know 15-26, the only man to score 100. He led the league in assists, john, as a center, as a center.
Speaker 3:I bring this up. When people bring up the fact that they say that Nikola Jokic is the best passing big man they've ever seen, I was like guys like you know, ever is such a strong word. Let him have his era. But I'm sorry there isn't a center today that could stop. If you put Carl Anthony Towns and tell him to go, stop Wilt Chamberlain, wilt Chamberlain's scoring 100 today. Like I don't think people realize how like Wilt Chamberlain would score 100 today. No one in the paint is physical enough to handle him. No one. That's right, and it's just. The game is different. That's all I can say. But he is an immense talent and I don't think he's appreciated enough in modern basketball.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. You know everybody pulls the threes. Now it drives me crazy. But to answer your question real quick, I know we're short on time. Marlon, my Magic at the point. Jordan at two. Larry Bird at the three yes, I said it, larry Bird, he was that good, I watched it. Three state years of winning MVP Destroyed the East and I was living there at the time. Number four I'm going to go with Will. I'm going to go with Big Cap at the five. You know Will is athletic enough he can play the four. I can make an argument for Tim Duncan man, but for top five ever. Those are my five right there Magic, jordan, bird, big Will, the Stilt and Big Cap, kareem. The numbers with Kareem, the Skyhook was indefensible. He's six-time MVP, six-time champ.
Speaker 3:Two-time college champ as well. Never lost a game. He only lost one game in college, that's it 33-1.
Speaker 2:Sick. So yeah, there go my top five, Just the big men alone. Nobody can match Big Cap and Wilt, you know. But I'll go to my grave saying Larry Bird. If it weren't for the back injury late in his career, Bird would be a top three or four player. Notice I didn't put lebron at the three. I put buried above lebron.
Speaker 3:Yes, I did so there you go. I'm not disrespect, I'm not disrespecting lebron, it's just I I don't consider him. It was regardless of stats. I just don't consider him in that top five category. He's top 10, but not top five in my opinion that's fair.
Speaker 2:That's fair. This has been great, fellas. This has been great. Good job morning. Anything else, yeah, great Good job, marnie, got anything else.
Speaker 1:Yeah, One last thing, really quick. I know he was he, John. I know you listened to a little bit of the boxing segment that we had last episode. Do you want to hear about that? You want to give like your top 10 boxers like that.
Speaker 3:If you want to run through that real quick, yeah, go, go for it. What do you? What do you got? Oh man, my thoughts on boxing is kind of weird. I want to put Mike Tyson at 10. And I know that might be low for a lot of people, but I grew up in a different era of kind of watching boxing. I know he was kind of feared, but I just never. I wanted him to always have greater epic matches. That's the only reason why I say that. But then after that I'm going to put Roy Jones Jr and throw him in there. I think he's great. He was always one of my favorites. I was always torn between him and Bernard Hopkins and putting him in there, but then I have to throw in this is going to upset people again Floyd Mayweather I'm going to put him at number eight all the time. That's fair, I think.
Speaker 2:Floyd Mayweather, I'm going to put him at number eight all time.
Speaker 3:Floyd Mayweather is going to be my number eight, but he's still a great fighter, just not my greatest ever. Followed by that, I'm going to throw in Sugar Ray Leonard. Sugar Ray Leonard, to me, is just an incredible boxer. I can't say anything bad about him. I thought he was one of the all-time greats. He could easily be top five and kind of runs in there.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:It's hard to get that after that because it gets down to a lot of different guys, because then you go down to the old era of who's going to do blah, blah, blah. I'm not a Rocky Marciano guy, I just doesn't. I think Joe Lewis has to be on that list. Yeah, joe, joe Lewis has to be there and in really in the top. It's hard to even get all 10 out here. I'm trying to think of who else, who else I should put in there, cause I feel like I'm disrespecting a lot of guys by doing that. You have.
Speaker 2:Marvin Marvin's Haggard. He has Sugar Like we had Sugar Ray Robinson, who was in the 40s.
Speaker 3:Jack, Johnson Top three. I would put Sugar Ray Robinson in top three with Ali, and then after that it's like a George Foreman and Joe Frazier, after we mentioned in there too, like they have to be, and then I mean it's I'm trying to think. And then there's Archie Moore too. There's a bunch of rock boxers that I can throw in there.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, jack Johnson, that's hard man.
Speaker 3:Right at all times. Boxing is such a long tradition of athletes that it almost feels disrespectful to put one guy in and then take the other guy out, but that's my best answer I can give right now off the top of my head.
Speaker 2:And remember Marlon Jack Johnson, at that time the first African-American heavyweight. He had to go through hell just to hold that title, beating the White Fighters and all that. Galveston Texas, yeah, galveston Texas. But John makes a good point, marlon, you know, sugar Ray Robinson, sugar Ray Leonard, you could put Joe Lewis, all that, muhammad Ali, just put them in any kind of order. George Foreman was 74 and 5.
Speaker 3:George Foreman fought 67 fights between 1967 and 1973. 67. And he was literally just destroying at a heavy weight, just destroying grown men. It was when he fought the Rumble in the Jungle and everybody knows about it. People don't realize how long like he was just destroying guys and they wouldn't even last in the ring with him and Ali took him the full distance that had knocked him out right before the end of the fight. That's insane.
Speaker 2:And we didn't even mention Marlon Evander Holyfield was a four-time champ.
Speaker 1:Oh, everybody.
Speaker 2:Riddick Bowe, all those cats Didn't duck nobody. You know so this is a four-time champ, you know so, this is a four-time champ, you know so? Holyfield, I don't know man, the boxing is messing me up. I love the middleweights. Tommy Hearns, roberto Duran, all those cats, oh I forgot about him. Yeah, see, that's just too hard. Marley John did good to name 10. I'm just bringing up names that people could have various opinions on throughout the audience and radio. Land out there. You know, hands are stone, you know.
Speaker 3:I just feel like I'm disrespecting the tradition when I go and leave one guy out. It almost feels disrespectful. That's the only thing I've got to be careful of.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. So there you go. Don't forget about Bernard Hopkins, you know?
Speaker 3:Oh, that's a B-hop, doesn't it?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, so good job on that, john. B-hop doesn't matter. Oh yeah, so good job on that, john. Wow, I could sit and talk to you all day just on boxing alone.
Speaker 3:Forget the NCAA. That's how me and Marlon met. Man, we just sit around and talk yeah.
Speaker 2:Good job.
Speaker 1:This has been great man. John, we'll for sure get you on soon, probably at some point midseason.
Speaker 3:Talk about see how all of our teams are doing and, and hopefully my chargers aren't in last place, but you know we'll see, I got Herbert on fantasy, so I hope he does well.
Speaker 1:Uh yeah yeah, we'll see. Man, we will definitely see. But um yeah appreciate you for joining man Doc. This has been great Uh my pleasure, guys, this was a Thank you, my pleasure.
Speaker 3:I appreciate joining you.
Speaker 2:No problem.
Speaker 1:All right, that was amazing man.
Speaker 2:Doc you got anything else for us? No, man. I hope all the audience of radio land enjoyed this man. You know I this is great. And and to round it off with boxing, I got it, I did.
Speaker 1:That's it, I'm done yeah, all right, everybody enjoy week one of college football and and we will have our predictions week next week. So we're going to give our predictions for our over and unders, our win totals. We're probably got to get s? Uh back on uh for that one and that way we can just give our all of our bets and prop bets, all of that stuff, and super bowl predictions, all of that. So next week will be our predictions week before the season starts, and other than that, that's all I got. We will catch you guys next week, peace, peace.