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NFL Schedule Release! The Lakers & LeBron, Dodgers, Boxing & More! w/ Twizzy & Est
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We argue about where the Lakers go after a sweep and whether the next era has to start now with Luka fully in control. Then we bounce through the NBA playoffs, NHL chaos, the NFL schedule release, a Dodgers check-in, and a deep boxing run that turns into a real debate about what the sport is missing.
• Lakers crossroads after the sweep and what moving on from LeBron would change
• Building a contender around Luka with the right role players and defensive effort
• NBA playoff reactions: OKC dominance, Knicks momentum, Spurs threat and key matchups
• Disappointment teams and stars who do not scale in the postseason
• NHL playoff picture, betting angles and why Carolina, Vegas and Colorado stand out
• NFL schedule release: Bills expectations, Falcons concerns, Chargers reality check, Raiders rebuild outlook
• Rookie quarterback timing and why offensive line readiness matters
• Dodgers vs Padres race, aging roster questions and pitching health for October
• Three dream boxing fights to see live and why certain classics still matter
• Why boxing feels broken: protecting the “0,” ducking contenders, promotion and network issues
• Favorite fighters draft and what makes a boxer unforgettable to watch
Welcome And Sports Rivalries
SPEAKER_00And welcome, welcome, welcome everybody to another episode of Real Talk. Doc, you doing all right today?
SPEAKER_04Yes, I am. I'm doing fine, man. We're blessed to have two individuals that know this stuff. Let's do it.
SPEAKER_00Absolutely, absolutely. So uh we we did it a couple weeks ago where we had two guests on. Uh we're doing that again. Uh, and these two guys, you know, uh uh we we we care a bond uh with one team in one sport, but we don't really are I don't rock with one of them, and another one I don't like at all. So um uh Aston Oakland joins us, so of course we rock with uh Lakers, don't mess with them at all because the Raiders and then the Dodgers. And of course, Twizy. Twizy always loves to talk about my Padres and talk about my Chargers too as well. So he is a uh he's he's a Lakers fan, Dodgers, and of course, builds with with some family ties to Green Bay. So Ant, I'll start with you. What's up, man? How you doing?
SPEAKER_01I'm good. So I apologize uh ahead of time because I'm sitting outside of a tape, and um the the far out here in the Bay Area, which is the uh the train that runs near here. So I'm gonna be hitting mute on times when the train runs by, but uh glad to be on here with Twizy. I absolutely love this guy.
SPEAKER_00Absolutely. What's what's up, Twiz? How you doing, man?
SPEAKER_04Welcome aboard. God bless both, thank you, gentlemen. Let's do it. Go ahead, Molly.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, how you doing, Twizy? You doing all right?
SPEAKER_03Oh man, we're doing outstanding, man. I'm so glad that you guys got me on here. I can't wait to get into what we're about to get into.
Lakers Swept And What Now
SPEAKER_00Absolutely. So, of course, the uh we were gonna record yesterday, but the NFL schedule did drop uh about an hour ago, so we will dive into that a little bit later. Um, but we're going to uh start with uh some a ton of NBA action that's going on. Uh but before we dive into the actual playoffs, uh we have three Lakers fans on this podcast and document, and it's you're surrounded by the Lakers fans. So um Twitch, I'll just go ahead and start with you on this one. Uh we got swept, it was ugly, it was nasty, of course, no lookup, but it is what it is. We have LeBron, one of the best to ever do it. So, what are your thoughts on where we go from here? What's next? Does LeBron try to sign a team-friendly deal? Uh, do you want him back? What are your thoughts on uh where the Lakers organization goes going into 2026-2027?
SPEAKER_03Um, you know, it's time to turn the page uh as far as the Lakers are concerned with uh LeBron. This is um now Lucas team, um, and we got to start building towards that. When I started looking back a couple years ago and I seen the roster that Luca took to their finals against uh Boston there and ended up losing. Um but when I look at that roster, that roster isn't filled with guys, you know, that are all stars and all NBA players. And he took those guys to the to the finals in the West. Um if we put appropriate guys around him, you know, that can uh situate his skill set, you know, uh make him more efficient, you know, and we can get him to play some defense or or at least give more effort on that end. We don't need him to be an all-NBA player, but uh all NBA defender, but we do need him to give some effort on that end. You know, I I really feel confident that within the next two years here, um, if we do that, but we cannot do that if we're gonna hold on to LeBron for the simple fact that he just sucks up too much air in the room. We all know that. Um he was fine for for for 30, 40 games uh taking that back seat. But is he gonna be able to do that for a whole season? And um his mentality going into the season, I'm concerned about that because if he's on the uh the LeBron James, I am King retirement tour, um how how much is he wanting? You know, to win a championship, you have to have players that really want it. And once again, at 42 years old, he's not part of our future. Um if we were talking about a 32-year-old LeBron, this would be a completely different conversation. But at 42 years old, um, with retirement, you know, one and a half feet out the door, um, with we have a new superstar, and you know, I don't want Luca to have to answer questions like, are we gonna recruit are you gonna recruit LeBron? At some point in time, um those type of questions from reporters are gonna get he's gonna get top tired of that. And um we have to give him the keys, and and that starts with getting rid of the old guard. Good response, brother.
SPEAKER_04Good response. Go ahead, Raider ass, your call.
SPEAKER_01So I'm glad you guys have Twinzy on because he speaks very eloquently. I just need to ask a quick question, Marlon, does your mom still listen to your podcast? Because if she doesn't, all I gotta say is fuck LeBron, alright? Get this guy off my goddamn team. I am so tired of LeBron. And like like Twinzy was saying, if this is the LeBron James farewell tour, he is not Kareem. He is not Kobe. He does not have the right to do that on the Lakers and just hold them hostage for another season to allow him to get his flowers from all the other teams in the league, to allow him to get his rocking chair or whatever they're gonna give him and gifts whenever he goes and visits these arenas. I don't care about that. What I care is about my Lakers and their future and them moving forward. Yes, I agree. We're we're not one player away from being in the finals next year. We need to start rebuilding with Luca, with Austin Reeves, with Rui, with these guys that we have, um, Vanderbilt even. I mean, I think there's there's some good role players. Earlier this week, I was on another uh radio show that you guys might know. I mean, I know it doesn't have the uh the gravitas as uh as Real Talk does, but um I was talking with the host guy named Adam. And he was talking about LeBron. Who are you gonna replace him with? Who do we need to he's a role player at this point? We don't need someone big name to replace him. We need someone who's gonna go out there and be that role player to help this team grow. We don't need a a 42-year-old like Twizzie was saying. We don't need that old man out there who might only play what he might get lucky to get 60 games out of him next season. Who knows? But uh this team needs to start building. I was not a big fan of JJ Reddick when he when they uh signed him as a coach, but I'll say he, you know what? He showed me something this season. I thought he did really well, especially in the month of March with the Raiders, with the uh the Lakers run that they had. I I I hear my respect, and I'm I'm okay with now with JJ Redick and helping build this future. But you know what? I don't see that future with LeBron, and I hope he doesn't come back.
SPEAKER_04Well, on the outside looking in, Marlon, if I can weigh in real quick before you, because you're a Lakers. I I just think that two years ago should have been LeBron's uh, you know, Coupe de Grand. He's holding you back. These are the Lakers, gentlemen. This ain't the Atlanta Hawks, you know. It's one of those things where I expect the Lakers to make big moves like making a run at Giannis or the Greek freak. You know, with 52 million per year, as you referenced, uh Swiss, it's just too much where your money was tied up to one guy who's over the hill. He's a stat compiler, you know. I want to see the ball movement. You know, unfortunately, Luca got hurt. You know, it's good that you beat Houston, and you got to give JJ Reddick kudos for that, as Rader has said. But Marlon, you know, this is this is not the uh, these are the Lakers. This is not a celebratory thing, and you're hoping he comes back. I blame Rob Palenka for putting out a statement that he's gonna give LeBron time. I don't like that kind of thing then, because that that's that's open to him coming back. So from an onside outside looking in, gentlemen, these are the Lakers. In the past, you got Big Cap, Kareem, you know, you got Shaq coming in here, you got Palkasol. Now it's time to make a run at the Greek free. You know, I'm tired of LeBron too. Let's go. Your take, Marlin, real quick.
SPEAKER_00I I I I'm a little torn because I when I look at the series against the Rockets, um, he was able to show when we went up 3-0 that he can still lead his team and he can still uh you know take over when he needs to and all that. But however, you know, that Rockets team was not KD, they're a little fraudulent here in there for the Ronald 5 because I mean for the most 40 display style. Some would argue the greatest of our time. But I do think it's time. I do think we need to next phase. Unfortunately, it's I don't think it's gonna be worth this much, but it's gonna get at least cost of$40 million first. There's no way the broad can I don't know that the broad needs need to five for die. Yes, it's a billionaire reads of price for die, and you can't tell me if Austin Reeds is gonna make$40. So I don't know that he's gonna want to do it in front of a deal like that. But in a perfect world, as you were kind of alluded to it with the whole uh farewell tour, it would be so perfect if we can go back to even where it all started. Well, we do that probably not. But in a perfect world, I think that would be best for him. Go ahead and do it where uh where it all started and in your career that way. So I think that would be best, but yes, I I do think it is time um, you know, it's it's it's it's perfectly robust. If we're not getting at least of the website files every year, somehow it's fine. So um it's time to make the moves and create a thing, see if we can you know do something different other than what we've been doing because we have not been getting to where we need to get to as a Lakers organization. So that's uh that that's where I stand on it.
SPEAKER_01Marlon, Marlon, if I if I could uh hop on real quick and just say this to quote the great Marcellus Wallace in Pulp Fiction when he's talking to uh Bruce Willis, yeah, pride. Pride only hurts, it never helps. That's right. Fuck LeBron in his pride, fuck LeBron James. I'm sorry, uh Marlon's mom for my language, but yeah, I'm I'm I'm I'm done with you. I'm done with Marlon, I'm done with uh LeBron. Well, look look look at it like this.
SPEAKER_03You know, LeBron James had eight years, he had two Western Conference finals, one finals appearance, one championship. And and in that championship, he needed that rest. I'm I it i i uh it still counts as a ring. Um it's a unique, it's the most unique ring. I can't, it wasn't the Lakers who caused the circumstance, the whole world had to deal with it. So I'm not gonna knock anybody for the circumstance. Um, but they needed that rest as the old team. That was six years ago. When you look at and analyze how they, when LeBron played at his best during the Houston series, um, that was when he had multiple days rest. The games that it was only one day rest between games, um, he didn't fare so well, and his efficiency was really down. And you could see at the end of games how he he that's why in the first half you saw the Lakers be able to compete, but then in the second half, in the third quarter, at the end of that third quarter, every single time, they just took off, and now it's pretty much end game. Um, LeBron's age, I mean, I know everybody wants to say he's fighting it, he's beating him up, but honestly, he's actually not. LeBron James doesn't affect winning the way he used to, and I would rather start rebuilding with a 27-year-old Luca than a 29, 30-year-old Luca.
SPEAKER_04That's right, and I'll close with this, man. You know, it's one of those things, gentlemen, where Father Time is undefeated. He'll be another year old as Twizy Reps and be 42. Who's to say he won't miss significant time coming out of training camp and play only 40 games? Now you're talking about some serious things going into the same questions next year, going into 2027-28. So, yeah, let's go, man. These are the Lakers, as I referenced, man. Used to make a big moves that shocks everybody. So, because listening, because you know, it don't sound like he's going, we're ready to get rid of uh LeBron James. I'm tired of him too.
SPEAKER_01If I can make one last point real quick, just sorry, real fast. And uh Twinsie brought this up on this uh other radio show I mentioned earlier the other day. And I I didn't I didn't even realize the stat myself was that the Lakers have only made two Western Conference finals in the last 15 years. And as a Lakers fan, that just freaking blew me away. I I didn't even realize it was that little to his, I mean, just that that stat alone as a Lakers fan is absolutely unacceptable. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_03It's difficult to win the finals, but I do expect my team to be in that Western Conference Finals and for a guy like LeBron who built his whole career on and his legacy on being able to get to the finals in that Eastern Conference, which many years um after he teamed up with uh the Heat, many years the best players were Paul George and Jamar Rosen. Um that's you know, that's not the who's who of the Hall of Fame right there. So, you know, he gets to the West and he can only get to two Western Conference finals, you know, that was a problem for me. And uh well, I'll leave on this. I'll say something good. Although I don't think he should ever get a statue, he he's done enough in electric uniform. He won one championship. I we he can hang uh uh a jersey in the Raptors, but that that's about as far as I'll go for that. I'll do I will give him credit for the one championship here.
SPEAKER_04Well, it's a hot topic. This is good references, man. Go ahead, Marley.
NBA Playoffs Winners And Letdowns
SPEAKER_00Absolutely. Okay, all right. So uh Doc, I'll go ahead and start with you on this one. Obviously, the NBA playoffs are are going the Thunder. Uh they take care of business 4-0, as do the Knicks. Uh they move past the 76ers in the sweep. Uh so they're awaiting the Timberwolves and the Spurs. So, Doc, your thoughts on the Timberwolves and the Spurs going into game uh six and also two, I believe one's playing right now. Um, or no, I think they're both no, they're playing tomorrow. They're playing them all. Um, yeah, thoughts on the Timberwolves and the Timberwolves and the Spurs, and then the Pistons and the Cavs, too as well.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I'm I'm very disappointed. I'll tell you, Twinsy and Raider as this is one of those things where I really depended on Kay Cunningham to show up at the crib, man. You know, it was his chance to do and step up to the upper echelon as a legitimate superstar. But props to Donovan Mitchell and props to the old ass James Harden, who, historically speaking, has not performed well at all in the postseason, but he came up big, and uh Donovan Mitchell is a machine. I'm disappointed in uh Duran, the big man for Detroit. He didn't even play in the fourth quarter because of the lack of days to go play. And it's one of those things where if you want to count the last 1.2 seconds as a foul, you can go ahead and do that. But it shouldn't have come to that. Detroit was at home. And I think they're gonna lose to uh in Cleveland tomorrow night. And I gotta give props for props to do. I'm not a hardened guy. He's failing Brooklyn, the Clippers, Houston, and everywhere. And look now, he's he's just uh on the cusp of uh, you know, going to the uh Western Conference Finals. So you got a props to Donovan Mitchell, Evan Mobley, and they some uh uh the other cat, you know, the big big center. And uh it's just one of those things where it may be just Cleveland's time. You know, remember they had the best record in the East last year, gentlemen, and they got blown out in the first round. So maybe they learned from that thing with the addition of uh Horne. As far as the uh the Knicks, the Knicks are putting up historic numbers. I didn't think they'd make it this far as far as a sweep. I'm disappointed in the seven and six is angel embiat. I don't know what direction they already fired, they fired their GM, Errol Morey, so he's gone. But I feel sorry for uh Edgecomb. I feel sorry for Maxie, who's a top 10 player in this league. And uh, you know, uh Ubre, I think his name is. And who knows what direction Embiid is going to? He's damaged goods, man. Like LeBron, but he's as younger LeBron. You can't count on him. Uh uh, I mean, no, I shouldn't say that, but you can't count on Embiid ever. You know, so it's one of those things where you're gonna take the Knicks to make it to the finals. And the West uh OKC, they're just they might go undefeated in the postseason. And uh Ray S is output your Lakers, however, the O2 Lakers uh that went 15-1. I guess it's OKC team because nobody can guard Kobe and Shaggy. You guys had a bench, but you gotta give OKC the flowers, uh, Twizy and Raider S. You guys are from the West. You're West Coast fans, so you know the playoffs have been eventful, but more disappointing for the uh Detroit, more than a little bit. But go ahead, gentlemen.
SPEAKER_00Yep, go ahead. Go ahead, Twiz.
SPEAKER_03Um, man, you you're you hit the head on the nail on the head when you talk about Durham. He's the reason why right now Detroit Pistons can't do it. I mean, you can't have a player who's giving you, you know, 19 and 10, you know, 20 and 10 every night during the regular season come out and play the way that that man has been playing. I don't know if it's um something physical um or if it's something mental. If it's something physical, then get him out of there. If it's something mental, then get him out of there. I don't I don't uh I uh at this particular point in time, get him a psychiatrist, get him whatever he needs because that guy has not been living up to the bill. I love that Thompson kid. He's playing real hard, but you know, he he's not giving you enough offense um cage out there uh by itself on the offensive end. I love the way that they play defensively. But like you said, you know, when you got Harden and you got uh the uh Spider um Mitchell and you got uh Max Struce uh providing you know timely outside shooting. That's uh and great defense. I mean, those those guys, as much as you want to call their inside guy soft, uh uh the the could you can give me his name again, Doc. Uh uh Mobley and Allen. Mobley and Allen. Thank you. Mobly, Mobley or USC and Allen, yes. Um, those guys, those, those, those guys right there, they they've actually been getting it done against that front line for the for for uh Cleveland. Um as far as the New York Knicks are concerned, you know, I really feel bad for a guy like Mackie, like you said. Um he played his heart out against that Knicks team. Um they're pretty talented. You know, Cat played well. Um I really like the adjustments that Brown did. Uh I don't I don't know how that'll fare, you know, in the in the in the Houston Conference Finals if they if they play uh if they play Cleveland, you know, but they're they're waiting in the weeds, and we'll see what how how that turns out. I don't think that uh I don't really think that they have enough, though. I think that when we get to the Western Conference Finals, that will be something like uh how we saw this year uh in the NFC Championship game. That was pretty much the Super Bowl. I think that that's what we'll have here. It'll probably be really entertaining, but I don't think I don't give uh New York or Cleveland or Detroit for that matter a chance against either one of the Spurs or OKC. It's just too strong, too lengthy. Uh those young and hungry. Those those two teams are very, very enjoyable to watch, as much as I hate to say about the Spurs because I mean as a Lakers, I can't stand them.
SPEAKER_04It all depends on OG Ananobi's health going forward to the finals in and of itself, but that's a good fair take there. Gloria Raider's playoffs, baby. Let's do it.
SPEAKER_01So as a Lakers fan, there's only been one team in the Midwest that I've ever been jealous of, and that's of course Michael Jordan's Lakers. I don't count San Antonio because Texas is a shit state, just ask Marlin. He'll never admit to it. But uh OKC, I mean, the this team is an absolute juggernaut. When you have uh OKC with their best player, STA, just really I mean, he was almost a no-shell against the Lakers, and yet they still sweep the Lakers because of their depth and talent. I mean, I I I love Alex Caruso when he's the Lakers. I wish he was still on the Lakers. Um when you the OKC is a freaking juggernaut, and uh San Antonio is once again up and coming. I mean, it's just it's like David Robinson is starting to come to the end of his career. Oh, here comes Tim Duncan, and they're gonna be juggernauts once again. Okay, Tim Duncan's off the team. We got Kawhi, Kawhi is gonna help them out, and now they got Wemby. I I I I just I don't get it. Why the hell San Antonio has this horseshoe up their ass to be so lucky to have these uh uh generational players on their teams to make such a huge difference. So I honestly I I think for the next five seasons, you're gonna be seeing OKC and San Antonio, if not both of them, but definitely at least one of them in the Western Conference finals every year. And hey, congratulations, good for them. And right now, you look at the Eastern Conference teams, I just don't see any. them that can match up to either one of those two. I mean the Knicks, yeah, they've been doing fantastic. And I think uh the Knicks, you gotta give a ton of credit to them for what they've been able to do. However, this NBA season in uh in totality, you guys, I've absolutely hated this NBA season. I think this has been the worst NBA season in NBA history. You have teams that just don't care. You have players that don't care. You have um just the load of management going on with a lot of these teams. There's just so much that happened during the regular season that just cranking. Yeah. Yeah I mean it just really it absolutely turned me off during the regular season. This is probably the least NBA I've watched in my life this year just because of just how off putting it was I mean and and I've I'll I I I pay attention in the playoffs but but did the did load management help some of these teams? No I mean what's in the Celtic I mean I know uh Tatum was injured but still I mean you have Jalen Brown saying that this is the best season he ever had the the funnest season he ever played. I mean that that's just it turns you off as a basketball fan to hear a pro player saying that when you're when his team gets knocked out early. But it is of the teams that are left I think the Knicks are gonna make the finals in the east. I'm gonna say OKC again but I wouldn't be surprised if it was San Antonio but I mean it's right right now I would say OKC is just an absolute juggernaut a dynasty in the making that they did everything right that they've drafted great that um they're making all the right decisions and it it's it's it's pure jealousy on my point as a Laker fan right now.
SPEAKER_04Well let's have a little fun gentlemen uh OKC V OKC versus the Knicks you got Bronson and Oze Ananobi and Josh Hart going against that uh that uh vaunted OKC team led by SGA you got Chet Homegren and remember now Williams hasn't even played he's a a significant contributor Williams is hurt but he should be back but so yeah I I I see it but cat cat is inconsistent like getting into foul trouble I can see uh Hartenstein and Chet Homer giving Kat in in foul trouble and then you got to depend on Mitchell Robertson you know I'm already predicting it'll be that but um what matchup are you looking forward to Radas and Twisty relative to that you know uh Nixon uh OKC if it happens yeah go ahead the the the matchup I'm looking forward to is OKC San Antonio because I think that's the NBA finest.
SPEAKER_01I mean I I I think the Knicks are scrappy. I I think the Knicks they they'll they'll have a chance but I mean I can't see it going beyond six games against either one of those teams. That's a good point.
SPEAKER_03Go ahead Twizy I mean you hit the matchup on the head already Hardstein and and Omgram against Kat and and and and Mitchell uh Johnson though those I mean that you know cat can be a front runner at times when things are going really good he's going good he's feeling good you know shooting his pixels off uh from the hip and you know giving up the three sign and all that but when things are going bad you know he's he can frustrate him pretty easily and Tit and and is very long and and and does a lot of good things on the court uh defensively and Harson he's pure energy and and and he he can really body you up and that's gonna bother cat I believe and I mean if you see SGA against Brunson I I don't I don't know how Brunson is going to be able to do anything to stop SGA in that mid-range area. He he just doesn't have the length he didn't I mean he's gonna need so much help and and with uh SGA being such a willing passer where if they have to bring that double team and you know he's got those guys that can hit and then you gotta you you have to sneaky the one of the most important players for him and really really sneaky has been that McCain kid they got him from 76ers for a bag of donuts and that that I mean he's a Duke kid a a five star duke kid that that really should be uh headlining one of the rookie of the year he just hasn't had the time because there's just not enough playing uh time on that team but he's gonna make a huge huge difference against the Knicks they don't have anybody that can check him real quick Marlon something that Toys he said is that uh you know Brunson's a superstar but his defensive skills is something left to be desired.
OKC And Spurs Loom Over Everyone
SPEAKER_04There's no defense whatsoever just look at the Atlanta series when McCollum played out of his mind you know Brunson has an average at least 30-35 you know and and now you depend on OG Ananobi with an ankle to be healthy by then you know we know how ankles are on a on a big guy like OJ Ananobi and uh I just don't trust Kat in the big spot he likes to pull up for the threes and this is what Chad Hongren and Arnstein are going to back him down low you know and take his game out you know so they've been offensive you know they played the Atlantahawks in the Sixers so we'll see when it steps up in class.
SPEAKER_00Go ahead Marlon absolutely absolutely so okay all right before we go ahead and jump into the NFL schedule release uh S this is your time to shine the Stanley Cup finals it looks like we got two teams that are left I don't know if they're playing right now or not uh that are waiting to um uh four teams actually waiting to get into the conference finals so what are your thoughts so far real quick you know on on the uh on the the playoffs thus far and who you got winning it all go ahead all right so as you guys know I may dabble a bit here and there and uh in gambling so a little yeah beginning of the NHL season I had two bets for two teams to win it all Chapter Bay Lightning which got eliminated by the Montreal Canadiens and the Colorado Avalanche as much as it paid me as an LA Kings fan to make that bet I still felt that Colorado was a strong team.
SPEAKER_01I still think they're a strong team later on in the year I placed two more bets one on uh the Vegas Knights and the other one on the Buffalo Sabres. Now we have Carolina that's been an absolute juggernaut and steamrolling to the playoffs and I believe Carolina will be the Eastern representative in the finals against whoever from the West whether it be Vegas or against Colorado and I think that will be an absolutely epic series between either one of those any of those three teams. Buffalo they lost tonight against Montreal 6-3 so Montreal has a a 3-2 lead right now and Montreal's come out of nowhere i Montreal I I had I did not believe that they were not a contender whatsoever. So Montreal's been a absolutely sneaky surprise if they could beat Carolina then I will be absolutely ecstatic but I cannot see that happening. So looking at uh at Vegas right now they're winning 2-0 against um the Ducks and if they uh win tonight then they'll close up the series and then um we'll be able to to face uh Colorado who won last night in overtime so I honestly think that the Colorado Vegas series is going to be the the Stanley Cup final whoever wins that will move on to win the whole Stanley Cup.
SPEAKER_04Again I do I am biased based upon my betting but I do think that whichever team goes up against Carolina it's gonna be an absolutely epic series will probably go seven games and uh will be a lot of fun to watch well that's a good response man that's a good job these names are going over my head I will say this on hockey Marlon I think everybody's disappointed that Conor McDavid and and Edmund didn't make it you know Edmonton that is and uh they're surprised a little bit surprised at Buffalo Sabres you know uh taking it from there and plus I think greater is Boston Bruins they laid an egg too is that accurate you know people in Boston I forget well here's the here's the thing about Boston is that it it's a it's a shit town and with shit teams and they always lay eggs tough so it's nothing it's nothing old so yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah okay cool all right so the NFL uh schedule release was tonight um towards the it's it's it's finally here it's it's crazy because you know you got a the the Wednesday night game and you got a then you got a game in Australia and then um then they're back and then you got you've got a real game your the guys go back to back weeks in London um you got a uh the it's it's they're all offered they're all offered off uh uh Thanksgiving Eve game uh Christmas starts on Fridays we got three games on Fridays so it's it's a lot going on in the fellows they could have a game on every single day and we would have watched it we could start I mean why would we start uh I'm I'm gonna start with you on this one I mean just looking at your your your team right now that's gonna just come out all the time just what what are your expectations for the Bills? It feels like you guys are a team that's it's almost very much robust the AFC is stacked I mean of course you're going up against you know top tier quarterbacks like you know um uh Mahomes, Harvard, uh Lamar you know you're going up against the best of the best so how how do you feel as a Bills fan going into a new stadium I might add how are you feeling about this year going forward uh for your Buffalo Bills I mean I'm I'm Matt where I've been over the last uh six seven years man we're saying we're we've been in this this same spot um the regular season is fine but you know and of course you have to to to get to where you want to get to and this is the NSL so we can change on the dime but we have to get through the regular season um and be healthy during the playoffs and make a run in the playoffs.
SPEAKER_03I mean we are at that exact same spot when I look at the schedule like you said we got some quarterbacks we got a tough schedule against us um we start out with with with Houston they always give us a problem um we lose to them very frequently uh Detroit I mean that that's a that's a tough squad you know Hudson will be will we'll be ready to go they'll they'll have everybody uh healthy finally and and see how that turns out I mean we got the MVP of the league Stafford I mean we have we have a we have we have a very tough schedule but when it's all said and done I'm looking at us winning the AFC and hopefully competing for a bye hopefully maybe getting that one seat and getting that by and putting ourselves in a position to be an AFC championship game and beyond. Anything other than that is unacceptable even though we have a new coach um that we we didn't get a new coach to continuously stay stagnant. We we want to get one more level higher and we've been everything but into the Super Bowl. So let's make ourselves AFC champions and get to that Super Bowl see how that turns out what are your thoughts on OBS real quick.
SPEAKER_04Twizzie you got a one question man if you don't get it done this year is the how long before the window closes on Josh Allen you know uh including your rookie class you got a new skin a new coaching staff now what do you say one two years he's still young what is he 29?
SPEAKER_03Your call on that um Josh Allen's window's gonna be open for as long as Josh Allen wants it to be open my question is gonna be is it gonna be in a Bills uniform um is my biggest worry at some point in time at some point in time a player is greater than him a player that has put the particular stats up he'd outplayed Mahomes he'd out he out played the best in the biggest of situations and still come up short. At some point you look in the mirror and say hey what else can I do?
SPEAKER_04Maybe my time is uh running its course here and I need to go to you know other pastors to get that final uh take that final step and that that's my fear uh we're gonna fail him more than he we than he's selling us right on well I'm gonna answer your question real quick Marlon relative to my Falcons because I got some questions that's Raider asked to my wife's Raiders uh the Falcons start off in Pittsburgh you know you can with uh two of their quarterback and I I just don't like that matchup on the road that's 0-1 we come home and play the Panthers and the Panthers have uh owned our asses the last two seasons you know beating us both times in the division so that's four straight losses to the Panthers that may be 0-2 even though it's at the crib we got a new head coach and I just don't support two in that in in in that situation we got playmakers all over the ass you know but the quarterback section bothers bothers me I think we go nine and we'll go nine and eight fellas you know doc hold on one second hold on hold on doctor I gotta I gotta interrupt you because you you probably could lose every game before the bye at Pittsburgh Carolina at Green Bay at New Orleans Baltimore Chicago San Francisco at Tampa Bay Cincinnati again and Kansas City Well I can see easily how you can say that but by the same token I think B. John Robinson and the other guy the other Brian Robinson from the risk I mean the commanders and then we got Drake London you got the rookie Zachariah Branch and then Kyle Pitts we got playmakers up the ads remember our defense was up an echelon last year in the top 12. So with those guys coming back including the the girlfriend beater James Pitts Jr. beat up a WNBA player you know he he he got he should get suspended but you know they're gonna give him some classes but to answer your question it is brutal man but if we beat the Steelers on the road tweeted Twizy and Raider ass you know and start out one and oh because their quarterback situation ain't all that you know with a 45 year old quarterback and they did not address any skilled people you know they drafted the big tack if we start a one and oh and come home to play the Panthers to answer your question Marlene you know and I I I I could be optimistic. Otherwise we can be 0 and 2 or 0 and 7 whatever it is but I gotta give the coach the new coach props he did one is in Cleveland with a messed up quarterback situation. So we'll take it from there you know Raiders?
SPEAKER_00Oh yeah oh go ahead I'm sorry well well Raiders fans they they can go last because you know they'll be in last place anyway but when I look at my chargers I mean when I look at my chargers I I'm not very confident about uh this year um I as as confident as I want to be I I'm I'm very realistic because I know how things happen uh as as the season dwindles on with the Chargers but you know Arizona we should be able to take care of them uh at home against the Raiders we'll take care of them and then this is where it gets tricky. So at Buffalo at Seattle home against home against Denver at Kansas City and then our bioweek so at that we could be two and four at that point right there. And then it gets a but weight there's more at the random which I mean it's our at our home their home whatever it's whatever at the random and then we have Houston at home at Baltimore we can we can we'll be together no problem. But then there's more New England home against New England and then add Temple Bay that that's that's a tough threat right there. So three four wins four and eight four nine or something so it's it's it's I was very confident going into the the season we got our tackles back uh we'll start with we got a couple of something but just going at Buffalo at Seattle that's a tough stretch for week three and week four but other than that like I said we addressed everything we need to address um I think we still need to try to make a play for um a solid number one I don't think the AJ Brown thing is going to work. So um I know Tyreek Hill is still out there.
Raiders Outlook And Rookie QB Timing
SPEAKER_01I don't think we'll go after him but um I got faith in Mike McDaniel um and of course Herbert so we'll see what happens but uh yeah well whenever I do see the Raiders uh on our schedule I know that's two easy wins so um oh go ahead oh my god go go ahead Raider bring it baby come strong fuck that all right let me say this to begin with first of all like I said I love Twizy and he's trying to be a little bit humble with his with his bills and uh trying to say that okay this is what I I expect this is what I hope Doc you're absolutely delusional with your Falcons which I love I mean I I don't I don't even think they're gonna win uh past December um 13th when uh they they place the Vikings and then they place the Lions again they might be absolutely have zero wins up until that point and then you have little you have you have little Marlon whose three year old son is probably taller than him by now trying to act trying to act all humble and say oh I don't know about my team I mean this is the guy who did not want Justin Herbert drafted as his as his quarterback. I gotta tell you guys as a Raider fan this is a life philosophy which I love as a Raider fan you live life with no hope and no expectations so you never have any letdowns all right looking at our schedule though I see this team as being either 10 and 7 9 and 8 including sweeping the chargers because week two game in LA is a home game it is a home game you have Justin Herber out there doing silent counts at home because the Raider fans absolutely dominate SoFi Stadium and will beat the Chargers come week two to start the season 2-0 after beating Miami in week one at home in Vegas. Alright now we look at this Raiders schedule and supposedly it's like the seventh toughest schedule in the league. First of all at first I was really pissed off because the Raiders have zero primetime games zero standalone games can you blame them? Who are these Buffalo Bills? They have six six standalone games this season the Raiders who have the number one overall pick in Fernando Bendoza have zero games that are in primetime or standalone okay I was a little upset about that first but then I thought about it if I was a player in the NFL boy would I want multiple short weeks or would I want consistent schedules? This is a team that for 17 games are going to have their games either starting at 10 a.m or at 1 p.m being consistent being able to have structure being able to have their regiment set week after week after week and when you have a team that's building that's what you want you want to have a team that has had offensive line problems for a number of years now to be able to stay consistent with their training schedule with their workout routines with their meetings week after week after week so I'm I I've actually I'm okay with it now being able to look at it in that lens. So yes I mean it's gonna be a tough schedule Twizzy week um October 18th I don't know what you're doing but if you're in Vegas I say let's go to the game together I'll go out there I'll watch Josh Allen beat up on my Raiders but you know what this team is growing I love Kubiak as their head coach I love what they did in the offseason they overpaid for some players okay but you know what they've made some smart football moves and I for the first time in a long time am excited to watch this team take the field. No they're they're not going to make the playoffs. However they will be a contender they will surprise some teams they will Be in games all the way up until the end this year, and I just cannot wait for it.
SPEAKER_04Well, Raider has a couple of questions. You know, the rookie class, you know, the draft is my baby. Mike Washington ran a 4-3-3 at you at uh from the University of Arkansas, Thunder and Lightning with Genty and Washington. What's your take on how many touches are you getting? Does that running game help your quarterback situation? And two, when do you put up when do you put in the rookie quarterback? You know, you do have an all-pro tight end. You got some receivers. So, so uh what do you put him in? Week three, week four, or do you start on day one? Because I don't I don't believe in Kirk Cutz. I'm gonna have him in Atlanta for two years. You'll call on that in the running back situation.
SPEAKER_01So personally, I I I believe you start a number one overall quarterback on day one. I think you start on week one. However, here's my only caveat. If this offensive line, which is fairly brand new, you're gonna have playing uh three new pieces on that offensive line. Yeah, if they aren't gelling during training camp and in the preseason games, then okay, you know what? Send Kirk out there a sacrificial lamb. Make him go out there and get beat up. You don't want to see your young quarterback getting beat up. You don't want a David Carr situation when he's with the Texans his rookie year. You don't want him to be getting sacked over and over again. Number two, the best thing you can do for a rookie quarterback is have a strong tight end and have a strong running game. You're gonna have Genti out there who with a behind a better offensive line could have some better uh plays, and then you're gonna spell him with Mike Washington Jr. I think this guy's an absolute stud. I think this guy is one of the skills of the draft. What the Raiders did in the fourth round of the draft was absolutely phenomenal. Taking him and then taking that cornerback who was injured from Tennessee, McCoy. Yeah. And I I I think the fourth round for the Raiders was probably the best round of players they've selected in a very, very long time. So I think they're setting this team up for success with with um with Mendoza. However, again, if that offensive line is still trying to come together, come like the the final preseason game of the season, okay. Seven Mendoza out there. But it's just something that and Marlowe, I tell you, text, I should screw you. I'm gonna talk as long as I want.
SPEAKER_00But um I can I can mute you. I can mute you by the way.
SPEAKER_01But but but but with all that said, I still think that this is a team that I'm hoping will win nine games. Um, but uh yeah, I mean it the future is absolutely bright in in Las Vegas.
SPEAKER_04And what does he get the draft aid to for his bills? Go, go, uh Twizy. Your call on that. The rookies.
SPEAKER_03I mean, we we draft, we we we uh we elected to trade out of that first round and yeah, man. Uh we got uh with uh Parker from uh the Clemson, the defensive lineman. Um I like him. Yeah. I mean, he he he he showed flashes uh not last year, but the year before last in his junior year. He showed flashes. Uh he had double digit sacks. Um he he didn't do so uh uh uh in the in the in his final year at Clemson. Um but he but he but he has he has potential. He he has he has a lot of potential there. And uh we got the kid out of uh the uh Connecticut, UConn, uh the wide receiver. Um I I I don't know a whole lot about him. You know, I haven't seen a whole lot um after we draft. I didn't know anything about him when we when we drafted him, but um I I watched some videos and stuff, and you know, I'm I'm I'm optimistic, I'm hopeful, but I was also optimistic and hopeful for for uh for Coleman. And that hasn't turned out so well for us. Um I'm skeptical on Bean's ability to find talent at times. Um and he's kind of been living off the Josh Allen uh uh pick for a while here, and which is great. You need a quarterback, but it's some of the things that he's done, like uh the Bosa deal after after after um having uh uh the uh what's his name from uh from Denver that came over that we got to end. Oh my goodness. Oh yeah. Yeah, I know you're talking about it. Yeah, yeah. After the Bon Miller deal, you know, who gave us nothing, you know, we hit Bosa and and he he he's hurt often. I'm just questionable. So uh hopefully our draft class, you know, the year before we picked a bunch of SEC defenders, and none of them actually, you know, came to fruition, and some of them got hurt, you know. Um just I I'm skeptical on Bean's ability to pick talent, you know. Like I said, we're we're we're just one player away. And if he could get that one player, hopefully we did this year.
SPEAKER_04Well, as a whole, Marlon and Raiders and Twiz, I think the NFC South has improved themselves. We got Avion Terrell, A.J. Terrell's brother, but Zachariah Branch, the rookie from Georgia, keep an eye on him in the slot. I love the Saints, what they did. They got Christian Miller and the tight end, Oscar Dell, but they helped out uh Tyler Shop with Jordan Tyson, arguably the best receiver in the entire draft. And Tampa Bay got uh Reuben Bain. You know, I like that. Carolina got the tackle from Georgia, Monroe Freeling. I want to get into you guys' division as a whole. I know the Jets, Swissy, did some major things with their three first-round picks. And Raider S, I already know how you feel. But uh, but the Chiefs, they picked up uh the corner, uh, defense corner that they needed in the AFC West. So I just want your guys taking both the AFC West and the AFC East rookie class in the division, which you have to face twice a year.
SPEAKER_03Go ahead. Uh well as far as the Jeff is concerned, they did an outstanding job. I mean, they maximized their draft. They had those first round picks, um, uh couple of first round picks. And I mean, you you you really have to like what they did, but you um as far as the division is concerned, we're still I mean, we're still not worried about them. Um Miami, I mean, I I mean I know they signed uh uh their running back today for for 16 percent. Oh, change, change, yeah. I mean, uh, but but they're in transition with the quarterback. Um New England. I mean, they just came off the Super Bowl, so I mean they're they're I I would say that they're the team, but they're the team to beat, but they're in some turmoil with their head coach with some off-the-field issues. You know, we don't want to get into that stuff, but yeah, so I'm uh as far as the division is concerned, I like I said, I'm uh I'm I'm I'm I'm at the point with with my team that we're I'm saying with the Dodgers. Until uh the the regular season is is almost meaningless. We gotta get through it to get to get to where we want to be, but our talents should get us through, and as long as we're healthy at the end, we need to make a run to solidify our season because if we go 13 and 3 and and and not make the AFC championship game and get to the Super Bowl, it's not gonna feel any different if we went three and thirteen.
SPEAKER_04Right. Ray S and Marlon, you guys in AFC West, go man, City Denver, because you broke down both your teams. Go ahead.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I'll start on this one. I I think the Raiders, they they I mean, they they had the money. They had uh they had the picks. So I mean they did great uh in the draft and also two with the free agency picked. So uh we were looking at the start that they got uh what was it uh uh Landerbaum, I believe it was, but three years after nothing, four spin that much, four center fifth. I mean they got the best they got the best cover five free agency, and of course they did uh great in the in the draft at first 15 uh their first four fifths and two where they were struggling and they addressed in the first four fifth which is good really didn't do too much uh it's uh it's uh I don't want to say I like what they did, but they addressed where they needed to address and of course the Raiders had all the money in free agency, and then they just were able to sweep up in the draft, so they had a pretty good draft too, as well.
SPEAKER_01Sorry, Raider F. Yeah, and here's my thing is that I mean Denver was just non existent in the draft. So they they did absolutely nothing to improve their team. They're gonna be the same team that they were this year. The Raiders have lost two seasons in a row against the uh the Broncos. I think this year the fly will beat them. The Chiefs, uh you know, everyone's talking about twin season my Dodgers about aging because of this losing streak they've been on. And I would not be surprised if the same conversation comes up with the Chiefs next year, right? Especially with Travis Kelsey. I think um, yeah, they went defense, which there was a need for them. But they uh they did absolutely nothing on offense. I mean, uh I think RC Rice is a great wide receiver, but uh he's still a knucklehead and and uh the guy needs to stay on the field. Um Travis Kelsey, honestly, I I think he's gonna take a major step back from what he's been and uh and then you got Patrick Mahomes coming off an injury. So you're not gonna you're not sure what you're gonna get off from him coming off his injury. So I I really think the Chiefs are are right for the taking. I I mean I I I don't see the Chiefs actually being a playoff team. I I I I think they're still kind of living off of Mahomes and Andy Reid and their the nostalgia that they've created for this team. But uh I I wouldn't I wouldn't be surprised to see the Chiefs be a third place team in the AFC West next year.
SPEAKER_04Wow, yeah, man. And that's a good point, man, because you got number 15 coming off a severe injury, and uh you're dependent on uh I I hope I forget, was it Justin Fields they signed? I forget. You're dependent on him. And then not only that, the running game's gonna suck, and Travis Kelsey, as you referenced, is older than me. But I do feel sorry for you guys in the AFC because you know Josh Allen's gonna bring it. The pressure's on Lamar Jackson, and by all accounts, he's healthy and he's in OTAs for the first time in Eons. And, you know, and they got they they drafted well. So, and you got Joe Burr in AFC also with those receivers, and they got the big defensive tackle from the Giants. So, you know, that AFC, as far as quarterbacks go, you guys are loaded, man. So good luck relative to the AFC entire picture, you know. And NFC, as you reference, Brandon, as I am, I am uh, you know, a fan, and I'm sometimes speak out the side of my mouth. It is going to be difficult. The NFC with Dallas and Philly, they tripping, you know, and and the Eagle Nation. But Tampa Bay, keep an eye on them, because I know uh your boy Baker's pissed off what transpired last year in week 18 when Carolina stole the division, and uh take it from there. And uh, you know, so it's it's it's a it's this is really a good show, man. Oh yeah. You know, the schedule and all that. But go ahead, Marlon. It's great stuff.
Dodgers Padres Race And Aging Roster
SPEAKER_00Absolutely. So two more quick topics, then we'll get out of here. Uh so a little bit of baseball, then we'll get into a little boxing after this. So um, Twizzie, I wanted to start with you on this one. Uh your your your dodgers, you mentioned them earlier about with the regular season, and how uh once you guys get to the playoffs, it's when you guys you know do your thing. So, what are your thoughts right now on how the season's going? We're tied right now, Dodgers and Padre. So just thoughts right now on the season thus far uh about a third of the way through.
SPEAKER_02So we're tied right now. I guess that's the best Padre is gonna be able to do.
SPEAKER_00You know, hey, I I I I've said this once, I've said it all the time. Our World Series was a few years back when we beat you guys in the uh in the playoffs.
SPEAKER_03That was our world series, so you know that's look, I'm my my concern for the Dodgers once again, it's it's the same as it's been for the last four or three, four years here. Um, can our pitching staff be healthy down the stretch? Uh come playoff time. Are we gonna be able to set set set our guys up properly, our rotation up properly? The one thing I will say is that what's concerning is I'm watching the Dodgers for the first time, I'm looking at them, and they're starting to get old. Muncie is old, Freeman is old, Bett is has been around for forever. I mean, these guys, uh Sioster is old. These guys are are gotten miles on them. So, you know, we need some of these young guys to catch up. And um uh well, I I spoke with Adam earlier in the year, and I I I threw out a name for him with Roki Zazaki. I, you know, I know he he he helped us uh tremendously in the bullpen last year during the stretch of the playoffs. But I know he's always been wanting to be a star pitcher, but I'm not sure. Um he's not looking great right now. I don't I I would love to hear what S thinks about it because he has his pulse on the Dodgers uh at all times. He's a great fan. Um I I don't know if he needs to go down to the minors and get some some innings or what, but he's concerning. And of course, you know, the injuries to Snell, you know, we won't he's not hitting right now. But all all that all that'll work itself out in a long season, 162 games. Obviously, we we haven't even got to the halfway points yet. Um so I'm not so much concerned. I can't wait to see uh what our what our matchup hope is. Hopefully this year, what I do would like I would like to avoid that wild card situation. Um we we're taxing our guys. Uh we're like I said, we're an older team, so what we don't want to do is continue to put that pressure on our arms, put those, put those innings on our arms if we don't have to. So yeah, we need guys like Tucker to step up and and and of course Will Smith and Pajes and those guys have really been carrying us this season, and we need them to continue to do that.
SPEAKER_04Well, Pajes has been balling out, man, and Muncie is clutch. He's been coming up to moments. Freddie Freeman hit a bomb against my parades in game one, but you guys are two-time champs, and probably when every game you'll be going for three. You know, these are the Dodgers. But go ahead, Radar, that's what you got. I want you arrogant now. Bring it.
SPEAKER_01You know, Doc, you're right. I am fucking arrogant. I am arrogant as hell. I might look ugly, I might be overweight, I might be out of shape, I might be able to walk 10 steps and be out of breath. But you know what? I don't care. I have a girlfriend that's out of my league, and I have my Dodgers, and that's all I fucking need. Because this team right now, yes, they are struggling. Twinsey is right that there are some concerns. However, you look at something like Max Muncie. You know what? He still is a fucking beast out there at third base. What he's doing defensively as a third baseman, and probably maybe his like I'd say second to last third time in the season. By the way, I just had the bartender bring me a shot, so I'm feeling great right now. Um he is just killing it out in the field and just still still doing things at his age that you wouldn't expect from someone playing that hot corner. Otani. I mean, fucking otani, a 0.082 ERA right now. I mean, Doc had a.082 GPA in high school, and this is what Otani's is what Otani's ERA is right now. So it's just it's it's I I'm I honestly am not worried right now. Until Marwan told me that we're tied with San Diego for first place. I have not looked at the standings at all. I'm old school. I don't look at the standings until Momoro day weekend. So I have no clue what the Dodge's record is right now. I watch them every game. Right now they're winning 2-0. Will Smith had a home run in the first inning. You had uh I saw Kim who's starting to come into his zone. I mean, this is a guy who started off the season at uh at minor league. Lukey gets injured, they brought him up, and he's been I wouldn't say he's been great, but you know, he's been playing solid out in the field. He's been uh okay at the plate, but uh they they kept him and set Friedman back down. This is a team that still is waiting for TK to come back, waiting for Tommy Edmund to come back. I mean, I know Tommy Edmund was moving the 60 day DL, but still they have so many weapons that I would rather them go through the slump right now than go through the slump in September like they have every year. Last year they went to a five-game losing streak in September. What did they do? They won the World Series still. So this thing I agree. But but but I but the one thing I do have to agree with the on is that I want them to win the division. I want them to kind of get a little bit of rest. I know the in the past the rest hasn't worked out for them that well, but uh I think this is a team that could use the rest in playoff time, but it's it's May 14th, fellas. It's May 14th. MLB is a marathon, it is not a sprint. You ask me to run a sprint, I'm not gonna finish it. You ask me to walk a marathon, oh no problem, I'll finish it. But uh this team right now, I'm I mean, we I'm snelled back, he looked good. They didn't they didn't give him the run support that he needed, but that's what it comes down to is getting these guys hitting right, and I think the coaching staff, they have the right coaching staff to do this, you know, Evil, um Woodworth. I mean, I think they have all the right guys in place to get this done. And some October, we're gonna be back with the World Series.
SPEAKER_04Well, I hope my Braves will come back come back come back in and National League pennant, but getting Mookie Betts back, and he didn't play in the Atlanta series, gentlemen, that might have helped me. But, you know, that that's a godsend. Betts is an all-American all-star player, man. Top 10 in the sport, you know, and I think he's clutchness and all that. Just stay healthy, Twizzy and Ray S. But more, I gotta ask you, it makes the question can you finally get over the hump this year? You're tired for first. Let's do it. Can you do it? You know, your call.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, man. I think so. I think we can. Uh, gotta stay consistent, bullpen has to be great, pitching has to be uh uh, you know. Pitching has to be good too. So uh yeah.
SPEAKER_01Marlon has no idea of how Mason Miller is. Okay? He has zero Nathan Miller for later.
SPEAKER_02Oh that's yeah. Marlon is very confident.
SPEAKER_03Not at all. When you come out with I think Oh, you guys are brutal, baby.
Three Dream Boxing Fights To See Live
SPEAKER_00It's okay. That's it. That part of it part of the editing. That part of it. Okay. All right, guys. So last thing before we get out of here, um uh it's been a request to talk a little boxing in this one. So um if you have I've come I came up with a question for uh all three of you guys, and and it's gonna be a tough one, but you can only pick three. So if you were to be an attendant for any three matches that you've ever uh watched on TV or heard of in the past gone way, way back to uh you know Ali and further back and all that, but if you were to be in attendant to just watch three matches, three boxing matches. Uh Doc, I'll go ahead and start with you. Uh I mean I know you can it's a ton of them out there, but just three of them. What what three would you want to see?
SPEAKER_01Real quick, Molly, start with Doc. Let me go second because Twizy is the official auto of boxing, if you don't mind. Is that okay?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, let's do it.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah. That's fine. Go ahead, Doctor. Uh I would say, I would say, I would say uh Alexis Aguilar versus Aaron Bryant, that'd be one. Uh the first Ollie Fraser fight, that would be two, the one at Madison Square Garden. And then the Marvin Hagler Sugar Ray Leonard fight, who I think Hagler won that fight in the uh late 80s. That that whole division, that Tommy Hearns, Duran. I think Hagler is very much underrated, Twizzie. You know, I think he won that fight. So those are my three right there. But go ahead, Radar. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So for me, my all-time favorite boxer is Marvin Hagler. I absolutely love that guy. So I agree with you, Doc, on the uh the Leonard Hagler fight. I think that would just be phenomenal. For me, the next one would be, of course, something I was I I growing up, uh, I mean, there was either Cesar Chavez and De La Hoya being Mexican American and I love that fight with uh with Dela Hoya and um and Cesar Chavez. But I mean the ultimate, the best fight ever, gotta be Ali Fraser, the Thriller Manila. I mean, that right there is just iconic, heavyweight championship boxing. And I I I of course I wasn't alive when it happened. I've watched the the fight many times on video and all that. And then even though it's on video and I know the outcome, I still get the chills watching that stuff. I mean, all me, absolutely iconic. Fraser, just an absolute tactician when it comes to boxing. And so, yeah, I would say those are my three. Brutal war. Go ahead, Twizzie. Let's go. Bring it, baby.
SPEAKER_04Boxing.
SPEAKER_03Okay, man. Um, I'll our first one. I mean, just because it's Ali, the Ali for the Rumble in the Jungle. I mean, I would have just loved to be in that atmosphere uh with Ali doing the rope-dope against the most dangerous man in boxing. Um my second fight, it would it would it would it would have to be that Diego Corrales and Jose Lucia Castillo fight. I mean, Corrales was down twice in the 10th round, and he won the fight. That that's how great of a fight that was. And and and you mentioned one of these guys earlier, uh, Julio Cesar Chavez. Um him against Medric Taylor. I mean, that fight right there, it should have been a loss for Chitaves, and at the very last second, the ref stop the fight and Taylor loses. Uh Doc, I'm pretty sure you know all about it. So would be my three fights. And with an honorable mention, if I could sneak one more in there, the night Mike Tyson lost against Buster Douglas. I would have absolutely loved to been at that fight for the historicness of it and and and and how ferocious Tyson tried to come back after not looking so great early. He really he came back, but Buster was just had just put too much damage, too much pressure on him. He he just fought the perfect fight that night.
SPEAKER_04He sure did, man. You got to get credit for that, man. But nothing like the middleweights of the 80s, man. The Hagler, Hearns fight. Hearns was a puncher, and they, you know, and and uh Hagler took him out. Boxing is it's been so great, man. We didn't even mention the great Larry Holmes. He was undefeated, you know. We didn't mention Holyfield and his fights with uh Foreman and Tyson, some of the others, Lennox Lewis. It's just too, it's just too vague. I'm glad you limited it to three, man. You know, sugar shame Mosley versus uh uh uh Della Hoyer, and then you have Felix Trinidad who gets lost in the shuffle. He was a tactician, man. So yeah, Marlon, these are great questions. You you asked three, but there's some names out there, which we're just so many right now.
Why Boxing Feels Broken Now
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and Marlon, I know you wanted to end this podcast 30 minutes ago, but I'd have to ask Willie one question.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_01How do we get boxing back to the 80s, to what it was? I mean, yeah. Everyone was signing up for the pay-per-views, everyone was stealing the pay-per-views. I had a box, a black box to steal all the pay-per-view events. How do we get back to that? Because I absolutely love boxing and I'm a UFT fan as well, but I just think boxing is not only just a physical sport, but it's it's such a mental sport. And you get it in your opponent's heads that you are able to beat them even before the fight even starts. So, Twizny, how do we get back to that?
SPEAKER_03I mean, we we we when you see the Jake Paul's uh fight uh going on Netflix, and you see um, you know, the Mike Tyson still, the thirst for Merk Mayweather, the thirst for Pacquiao still, there's a the the the the the public has a thirst for boxing. The problem is is that the young upcoming boxers that are have actually all the skill and the talent, they are they are they are so scared to go up against each other because they do not want to lose that zero. They don't want to lose that O in that category. Mayweather's recipe is what everybody wants to follow, and he's he's made his legacy on on having that O, where as in the older fighter, they face we you just said so many Hagler Hearns, Sugar Ray, Duran, they all face each other. Um Muhammad Ali Frazier, they fought multiple times. Um they these new fighters don't understand the value in having rematches, um, going up against the top contenders. You don't lose you can you only gain legacy when you fight the top contenders. You don't lose legacy because nobody, the Hagler Hearns, no, no, no, the loser of that fight didn't lose, you know, as far as the general public. And these new fighters, they just don't understand that, and they're ducking each other. Um they're they're they're not getting in the ring at the at the proper time, and everybody's worried about the wrong things. Who's the A-side, who's gonna get the most money, what what network is gonna promote it? Um boxing boxing really needs to be under one umbrella because uh it's such a great sport, and the fighters, I believe, take it for granted what they're given. Oh man, this is great stuff on boxing.
SPEAKER_01Go ahead, go ahead, right there. Marlon, Marlon, I don't I don't mind. I I've been drinking, so I'm taking over your podcast. Oh, we know. One last question for Susie. Amari Jones. I'm I'm here in the Bay Area, Oakland, and I absolutely love Amari Jones as an up-and-coming boxer. What do you think of that guy?
SPEAKER_03Oh man, you know what? I haven't had a chance to see him. Uh uh, but you just put him on my radar. I haven't had a chance to take him out. I've been on.
SPEAKER_01Amari, Amari the Reaper Jones, for all the million of listeners of this podcast. Look him up and get ready for him because he's got a title fight coming up. And uh, yeah, this is a guy that I think is gonna uh be making some noise.
SPEAKER_04This is great, man. Hey, but but if I had to have a 1A, it would be Hagler versus John Mugabe. Muggabi should have won, but Hagler is a machine. He he won and outpointed Muggabi and knocked him out and all that. But gentlemen, sugar shame Mosley, Meldrick Taylor, you know, all these cats, man, Pernel Whitaker, you know, I mentioned Felix Trinidad, Maurice, it's just so many that, you know, uh Ali for Ernie Shavers. And Ali said that's the hardest puncher he ever had. Ernie Shavers. You know, let's get some flowers. But late Ernie Shavers, you know, and uh power punches, you know, and uh, you know, it's one of those things where you can go, Riddy Bo had some moments, you know, big power guys.
SPEAKER_03Dawkins, his guys, right, his his guys right now, uh uh uh Secur Stevenson, he he just had a tremendous fight. Uh David Benavidez, he just had a tremendous fight. Uh Nawi Anaway, the the the the the the the Japanese monster, he he he just fought uh uh I'm gonna butcher his name. Natakana, I mean that man, you have to get up at 5 a.m. to see it and see that's some of the problems. Some of those fighters that you just they don't always make them available. Um I the one thing that I will give for Jake Paul, I don't want to see him fight, but I do love the way that he promotes. And if he could get a couple of these fighters under his belt and promote them the way that he promotes himself and get them on some of these platforms, I promise you guys, you'll love to see a Keyshawn Davis. You'll love, you'll love to see guys like that. You'll love to see Shakur Stevenson, you'll love to see David Benavides. You know, hopefully we'll get him versus him versus Bibble. If you you guys hear that one, lock in, grab some barbecue, and don't move, because that's gonna be an explosive all-out war. This is great.
Top Five Favorite Fighters Debate
SPEAKER_00I love you. And then hold on. The last question I got for each of you guys your top five favorite boxers. Not top five all time, no, your top five favorite boxers of all time. So Ed, I'll start with you on this one. Top five favorite boxers that you love to watch.
SPEAKER_01All right, top five all-time favorite boxers to watch. I mean, I already mentioned uh Marvin Hagler. He's my all-time GOAT number one of all time. I never missed any of his fights. Um, number two, gotta go with uh Julia Sosa Chavez. Number three, uh Oscar de La Jolla. Number four, and you know what? This might become as a surprise, but Floyd Mayweather. This guy, I mean, people thought his fights were boring, but you know what? He was a tactician, he knew how to win fights. Yes, he he did not have the knockout power, however, he knew how to win a fight. And number five, Butterbean, the king of the three rounders. Absolutely love Butterbean, the king of the three rounders. Because he and I had the same body type, but he could punch harder than I can. But he he was a physical specimen. Love that guy.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead, Doc. That's great. Well, uh, you know, uh, of course, I gotta go back for watching films, man. We didn't even mention Jack Johnson, the first African-American heavyway. He has skills. And then Sugar Ray Robinson, you know, do your research on this gentleman. I I I can't get enough of him watching the old clips. I got some boxing tapes here. So, so Jack Johnson, sugar Robinson. Uh, for me being alive, uh the other three would be Marvin Hagler, uh, uh Mike Tyson, and Evander Holyfield. Say what you want about Tyson's short reign, man. This guy, you you you had fight parties and you couldn't get him out of the house. He was electric during that time in the late 80s, early 90s, and he had a comp after um, you know, he went to prison. And then hey Holyfield is Holyfield, four-time champ, man. You know, he was willing to fight Riddick Bo three times. He beat him once. Riddick Bo was a big man. Uh, and and Twizzy, you know this. He fought Tyson. I wish they'd have fought before Tyson went to jail when he was in his plan, but nobody went to fight George Foreman and uh Holyfield did it, you know. Dwight Mohammed Kwai, early in Holyfield's career. That was a tough fight. Holyfield just coming out as cruiserweight. So uh to reiterate, and I love yours, Rayus. I gotta go with Jack Johnson, uh, Sugar Ray Robinson, Marvin Hagler, Mike Tyson, and Evana Holyfield. It's my top five. As far as obviously, you know, I'm really too young to remember a prime Ali, but man, Ali's the goat. Uh but go ahead, go ahead, Twizy. You're fine.
SPEAKER_01Real quick, and I just mentioned that Doc said he's too young to remember Havan Ali, but he brought up Jack Johnson.
SPEAKER_04I had to look at the tape, man. Yeah. Oh my God, Ray Here's your machine. Go ahead, Twizzy.
SPEAKER_03Uh uh, okay. Uh uh, this is no particular order, but man, Juan Marquez, Juan Manuel Marquez. He's the guy that faked Pacquiao like four times. He knocked him out. He just gave you, Manny, are you okay? I mean, Marquez is just an electric fighter. I love watching that guy fight. Uh one of my all-time, one of my personal all-time favorites, Winky Wright. I man, Winky Wright was just such a great all-around fighter. Um I love I love watching him fight. Uh, Cornell Whitaker, just a defensive genius. I mean, he got completely robbed by uh uh when he fought De La Jolla. I thought he won that fight. Uh he was so fast and so electric on defensive. It was so hard to hit him. Um what's that? Three my uh man, I gotta, I have to 100% quit Trinidad. Tito gave me so many fight nights, so many fight parties. Tito man so many, so so many times. And even when he lost to Hopkins, and and I I and I I was shocked when that happened. And um to round it out, man, I I I have to I I I have to say Lennox Lewis. Lennox Lewis, yeah, every every single opponent he's ever faced, every loss he's he's redeemed, every loss. And for me, uh the mark of a great fighter is not if he can keep that zero in that loss column, but how he comes back after he puts one in that lost column. Is he able to come back? That's what made Muhammad Ali great. That's what made Hagler and Sugar Ray and Roberto Duran and guys of that ilk and that cut from that cloth so great. Even because uh any given night, you can you can lose to a guy, but how do you come back? And uh that's the separator for me. And he beat every single guy that beat him. Uh he knocked him out, actually. And he had the longest lengthy of the reign as a as a as a heavyweight, uh linear. And I mean, he he did it all. So for me, you know, those are those will be my top five guys. My favorite to watch.
SPEAKER_05Okay.
SPEAKER_04Well, Marlon, bear in mind, this this is too, this is too the box is just too big. We didn't even mention Roy Jones Jr.
SPEAKER_00Oh my god.
SPEAKER_04James Tony. Wait a minute. James Tony, James Tony was a he was a machine.
SPEAKER_00Twizy said, wait a minute, wait a minute. Go ahead, Twizzy.
SPEAKER_03I mean, you you know what? If I had to take if I I would I'll I'll I I probably might and it's so hard, I hate to do that. I would take Tito off and put Roy Jones in there. Uh uh. Right. I I really would. And you just reminded me of Roy Jones. You can't, the athletics, when he was at the height of his career, and it ended not great because he fought way past his prime, but man, you want to talk about a show, him and Prince Nassim, how many? Well, those are those are the two greatest shows in boxing, but Roy Jones had the skill to back it up. Speed, speed.
SPEAKER_04Marlon, we gotta, we gotta, we gotta do top five, man. That's just that's just too little.
SPEAKER_01No, no, no, no, no. What what we need to do is we need to have a boxing podcast without Marlon here. And because Twizzie bringing up the uh the Roy Jones and Prince and the Prince fights. Oh my god, I completely forgot about that. Those those have to be in the top five as far as Bouts ever went. Those, oh my god, were just fantastic.
SPEAKER_03Oh, Chris Nassim would come out on that. Prince Nassim would come out on that magic carpet and flip in the ring and do all that crazy stuff. He was the first one that really made ring walk what they are today, uh uh an adventure and an event in themselves.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I want each and every one of you to look up the Lexus Arguer or Aaron Pryor in 1980 or 81. I forget that. That was an absolute war, man. That's why I put that at the top. But Marlon, boxing is these names didn't bring it up, you know, Keto, Trinidad, you know, uh, then you had uh, you know, uh Duran, you know, this the second fight with Leonard, you know, it's just too and it's Joe Lewis. Come on, Twizy. We ain't even talking about Joe Lewis. Come on. What's wrong with us? Marlon, I love you, but I gotta write these names. That it comes to my mind, hey, Joe Lewis, my my my father, my uncles and grandparents swore by him, you know. So yeah, this is great topic.
SPEAKER_00So I know we overcome it, but yeah, and this is this is the last thing, and then we'll we'll close this out. Um I'm I'm surprised nobody mentioned, I don't know if he's on not there yet, but uh Canel Alvarez. So I I know he's he's he's he's great, but I don't know that he would he would get up there with these guys, you know, when it's all said and done.
SPEAKER_04No, no. No, the technical fight with uh you know Mayweather, and then he lost another one. You know, I don't know. That's your call.
Final Thoughts And Sign Off
SPEAKER_01Let's let's say this, Marlon, and I'm I'm the I'm Mexican, so uh I do love Canelo. Canelo Alvarez is the San Diego Padres of Boxers. So then I should tell you something. The ton the Tony Gwen color matches the uniforms, Tony Gwynn of Boxers. Okay. No, no, not Tony Gwynn. Of course not. No, no. But but I do I do have a favor to ask Marwin, and I I need to get permission on the podcast so it's it's it's actually uh legitimized. Please send me Twizy's phone number. Yeah, I was already gonna. I apologize that uh once I have that number, I'm gonna be bugging the shit out of you, okay? Block me in. Lock me in. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Cool.
SPEAKER_04Well guys, we appreciate you guys. I gotta I gotta give a shout out to Smoker Joe Frazier, man. I got to. Before the second fight with Ollie when he lost, Joe Fraser was the man, man. He got destroyed by form and every minute is that. But Joe Frazier, during the mid-60s to the early 70s, he was something else. Smoke and Joe, that left hook. But go ahead, Marlon. I could talk all day. Go ahead.
SPEAKER_00Oh, we know. Okay. All right. Uh well, uh guys, we appreciate you guys for uh coming on. This was great. We I think we talked what like eight different sports, uh, it feels like. So yeah, definitely appreciate you guys uh for joining. It's been great.
SPEAKER_04Oh, we love you. God bless. God bless both. I appreciate you, Ray. S and Twizy. Thank you so much. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01You know when the uh the World Cup preview show is, so I g give you guys all my tips for the uh the upcoming World Cup here in the US. So we'll do. We'll do, brother. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Sounds good. All right, guys. Hey, appreciate you guys for joining. We'll get you guys back on soon. Appreciate you guys. We'll catch you guys next week. Peace. Peace.