20. Geocaching: Discover the Adventure with Lisa Breitenfeldt

Have you ever heard of geocaching? 

Whether you’re a pro or a complete newbie, you’ll love this conversation with Lisa Breitenfeldt of Cache Like a Girl! 

Join us as we explore what geocaching is, why people get hooked on it, and how you can embark on this high-tech treasure hunt yourself. Geocaching can add a sprinkle of adventure and connection to your life, no matter where you are. 

Learn how to get started, what to expect when you find a cache, and discover the community that awaits you. 

If you're ready to try something new in your courageous retirement journey, tune in and let’s get started with geocaching together!

00:00 Introduction to Geocaching
00:44 Meet Lisa: The Geocaching Expert
01:47 What is Geocaching?
03:37 Getting Started with Geocaching
04:12 Tips for Finding Geocaches
06:17 Trading and Logging Geocaches
08:57 Becoming a Cache Owner
12:12 Geocaching Adventures and Community
19:09 Geocaching Gear and Subscription Box
23:10 Advanced Geocaching Tips
28:24 Lisa's Podcast and Final Thoughts
31:43 Conclusion and Next Episode Teaser

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Transcript

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Have you ever heard of geocacheing? Maybe you're a pro at it, or if you're like me, maybe you had never even heard the word before. Either way, you're going to love my conversation with my guest. Lisa Brietenfeldt today. We're going to talk about, what geocacheing is, why people get hooked on it. And how it can bring a little adventure and connection into your life. No matter where you are. Even a remote place like South Dakota. Do you fear what lies beyond retirement? What if it's a gateway to a life filled with purpose, meaning, and adventure rather than an end? Discover peace and fulfillment as you boldly enter this new chapter in Courageous Retirement, a Christian podcast. I'm your host, author and coach, Vanna Johnson. Let's get started.

Vona Johnson: 0:44

So I am just really excited today. ever since I first met you in a group that we are in together, I've been just fascinated with what you. And it's one of those things where I've heard about it before, but didn't know enough to, you know, and it wasn't quite curious enough maybe to go digging on my own. But when we met, it was like, all right, we're gonna, we're gonna figure this out. So if you can't tell by Lisa's t shirt, she is a geocacher. And I am just fascinated with this. And I really love the idea that she's, she, you know, as her shirt says, cache like a girl. Obviously, this isn't just a woman's sport, if men, if you're listening, you don't have to disconnect now because there's going to be a lot of good information for you here as well. But I invited Lisa here because I want to learn about it. And it just occurred to me that this is something when we talk about courageous retirement, part of it is trying things we've never done before, doing things that might get us excited. I'm thinking I might want to try this. So Lisa, first of all, tell us what, what really is geocaching?

Lisa Breitenfeldt: 1:52

Yeah, well, thanks, Vona, for having me on your show. So geocaching, in a nutshell, is high tech hide and seek. Geocachers, will, well, there's a main website called geocaching. com, where you can get the information, and there is an app for it as well. Super easy, and we all have smartphones these days, and, that's where you go to find out information about how to find the geocaches. So

Vona Johnson: 2:20

when, so I do this, I download the app and I go do my thing. When I find it, what, what does that look like? What, what, what am I finding?

Lisa Breitenfeldt: 2:28

Yeah.

Vona Johnson: 2:29

What do I do

Lisa Breitenfeldt: 2:30

when I find it? That's where it gets a little challenging for a lot of folks that are just getting started. A lot of, People have a preconception that a geocache is an obvious box. Maybe it's buried or, you know, tucked in somewhere. It's going to be very obvious what it is. Actually burying caches is against the rules, so they're not going to be buried. A traditional type of cache would be something like this. This is a lock and lock container. You know, it really started with, you know, Ammo cans and Tupperware. Yeah. so this is a kind of a traditional type of cache, but they can be many different types as well. That can be a rock like this, where, you know, when you found it, yeah. So I've got a secret compartment inside of it. And they can be all the way down as small as this little guy here, you can see that in the plastic bag. I'll see if I can get it out of the bag, and these are magnetic. So this could be, you know, hidden under a park bench or, on some sort of metal structure could be anything. So they can be a little challenging and I've got some really good tips for people getting started, because when you're just getting started, you don't know what you're looking for.

Vona Johnson: 3:43

Right. Yeah. Yeah. And, and that's a little intimidating. You know, we don't want to, we don't want to look like a fool out there digging around looking for under park benches and things like that, especially if we don't know what

Lisa Breitenfeldt: 3:54

we're looking for. So yeah. Exactly. Yeah. That's how you, it is how you get started. You don't really know exactly what you're looking for, but there's a lot of clues, that will help you. Here's a better closeup of how tiny this is. It screws open. So it's a tiny little compartment. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So caches are, geocaches are rated on a five star scale. It can be, so it's one to five in terrain and in difficulty. So a one one cache is something that is actually what we call handy cacheable. So you can roll up to it in a wheelchair, push a stroller. Very easy to get to, you know, stir curbs to step over and it'll be obvious to find even reach it in a seated type position. So, we really recommend new folks to get when they're starting to go after the one. Terrain caches and the one difficulty. Now the difficulty again, it's if it's the one difficulty, it's obvious. It's right there where you know, you can generally see them all the way up to a five, which is hidden very, very well, very well concealed. So to be successful. Right out of the gate, I recommend that, people look for caches that are rated on a one, one scale, and then they're also organized by size as well. So something like this is a regular size geocache and, uh, again, so they're going to be easier to find, and there's probably going to be things inside of them, and I'll dive into that a little later, perhaps. And then these are what are called micro caches. So they're much smaller in size, so they're much harder to find. So my best tip for people just getting started is to go after regular size caches on a 1 1 difficulty in Terrain. And that's real obvious on the website and on the app. And you can even filter for just to see caches of that, those sizes and Terrain difficulty. Okay,

Vona Johnson: 5:59

so I have found my first cache. What do I do? That's great. Do you just check a box off on the app? Is it, you said some of them have things inside, I mean, what's correct?

Lisa Breitenfeldt: 6:12

Yeah, so all physical caches have a log book to sign. Okay. And that is the only rule of geocacheing is you have to sign the log book. So you need to open it up. And then inside will be some sort of you know, little booklet or something like that. Even these, these tiny little nanos, they screw open and there's a little scroll of paper inside of them.

Vona Johnson: 6:36

No

Lisa Breitenfeldt: 6:36

way. Yeah, yeah. So you script your little initials on there. I guess I should say my geocaching name is Lookout Lisa. So all geocachers, you have a handle or a geocaching name and you have to sign, you know, I sign Lookout Lisa and then the date, if it's a larger size, you know, logbook like this. On these tiny little ones, I just write in LOL or Lookout Lisa. Ha ha

Vona Johnson: 7:01

ha!

Lisa Breitenfeldt: 7:02

So that that's the one rule of geocaching and then if there's items inside you can trade for them and it's on an equal trade basis so we want to trade equal or trade up or something better even and that makes it more fun, you know, if you're taking the grandkids out, kids love to find things in geocaches. So again, that's why you want to go for regular size caches, there'll be something inside of them. So when you

Vona Johnson: 7:30

say trade, so would I bring something with me that I leave in the cache then?

Lisa Breitenfeldt: 7:35

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And there, there's guidelines around that as well. You know what you can trade for again, it needs to be kid friendly. So if it's something that, you know, you would feel comfortable if your kid picked it up off the street or, you know, in a, in a geocache, no food, uh, no liquids, nothing illegal, of course, and nothing really smelly. You know, cause like one thing I find is those little containers of, bubbles. You know, you dip the little thing in and blow them. That's a big no no. That'll freeze and crack and make a sudsy mess inside of the geocache. And a lot of those are scented and that just attracts, insects and, and animals and such.

Vona Johnson: 8:19

Okay.

Lisa Breitenfeldt: 8:19

Yeah. So then when you make your trade, you sign the logbook and then you put it all back together and you put it back where you found it. You don't move it, not like the painted rocks where you can take the rock and, you know, do with it what you want. You put it back where you found it and then, on the app or back home at the website or you can even pull up the website on your phone, you then mark it as found and you can write a little note to the cache owner, so they know that you found it.

Vona Johnson: 8:47

Okay,

Lisa Breitenfeldt: 8:48

so, so

Vona Johnson: 8:49

can anyone be a cache owner? Could I go hide something somewhere and put it out on, then put it out on the site?

Lisa Breitenfeldt: 8:57

Yeah, absolutely. Yes, completely community based game. So, I've hidden a couple hundred caches over my 24 year, reign of geocaching and yeah, anyone can hide a cache again, those guidelines around them, but we recommend that you find at least 100 caches first.

Vona Johnson: 9:17

Okay.

Lisa Breitenfeldt: 9:18

So you want to, that way you get a really good idea of what makes a good geocache. What other people are doing in your area or wherever you're caching, they're all around the world, actually.

Vona Johnson: 9:28

Well, and that was going to be one of my questions because I live in the middle of South Dakota. I mean, very rural. So would I be able to expect that there will be caches right here in good old Pierre, South Dakota?

Lisa Breitenfeldt: 9:40

I believe you would. Yeah. Yeah. I have to check that

Vona Johnson: 9:43

out.

Lisa Breitenfeldt: 9:44

The easiest way is just go to geocaching. com, and you can type in your zip code or your address into the search bar right at the very top of the page, and it'll pull up a map and show you the geocaches around your area. There are, there are caches all over. You know, when I first started geocaching back in 2002, there weren't very many. But over the years, more and more people have joined the game and have hidden their own. So you're going to be surprised. There are actually millions of geocaches in the world to find. And there's even one on the international space station. Wow.

Vona Johnson: 10:20

So how, how long has geocaching been around?

Lisa Breitenfeldt: 10:24

Yeah, it started in 2000,

Vona Johnson: 10:26

25 years then.

Lisa Breitenfeldt: 10:27

Yeah, yeah, this is our 25th anniversary, coming up this year of, The game. What happened was previously, well, GPS technology. We're all familiar with that now. I think, we have it in our cars. We have it in our phones. We have it even in our watches. Previously before 2000, it was only available to the military. It was what was called selective availability. And so the, the signal was scrambled. So anybody with a, you know, regular type of GPS at that time, a handheld, one, they were only accurate within about 300 feet or 100 meters. And overnight, literally, President Clinton said, you know, I think we can turn this off and, make GPS signal, Clear and, available to the general public. And so through the switch, although it really wasn't a switch, but selective availability was turned off on May 2nd, 2000. And within two days, a gentleman said, Hey, this is interesting. Let's see how well this works. And, turned his GPS on. He went and hid a bucket, in, Oregon actually just outside of Portland and then got the coordinates posted them on his use that, group. Remember, this is 2000. So the Internet was still pretty young and said, Hey, this is my geo stash that I hid, go find it. And within a couple of days, people were finding it. So that that's how it started, actually.

Vona Johnson: 12:00

That's, that's really cool. So I'm envisioning that maybe a group of couples or maybe a group of gals might do go out and do it just for an afternoon of fun, or I assume you can plan a whole vacation around it if you wanted to. Would I be right?

Lisa Breitenfeldt: 12:18

Absolutely. That's, that's one of the beauties of geocaching. It's truly a choose your own adventure. I love that. Yeah, you can find a geocache on the way to the grocery store. Matter of fact, there's probably one near your grocery store. I'm gonna look that up. Yeah, maybe even in a parking lot. And I'm going to give you all a tip on parking lot caches here a little later. Ask me again about that. But,, yes, it's a ton of fun. When I first started caching, I had a hiking group of gals that we would hike together and unbeknownst to a couple of us, three of us all started geocaching within like two weeks of each other. And we commandeered our, hiking group and said, let's go caching. And everyone loved it. And so we would go every Saturday. just, we'd meet at a coffee shop. Talk about, whatever we wanted to talk about with, with our girlfriends, and then went out geocaching for a couple of hours. And then, yeah, I planned my, my life is literally lives around geocaching because that's my business as well. But yeah, you can, it's a great way to plan vacations as well, or trips because geocachers hide caches at interesting places, places that are generally out of the way, that you would never even know about, even in your own hometown, you might find locations that you had no idea or histories or, you know, interesting things. So it's just a great way to explore the world and, you know, you can quit whenever you want, call it a day. Just find one, I know people that will set a challenge for themselves and they'll cache for 24 hours straight, you know, and try to find as many as they can. So it's, it's truly choose your own adventure.

Vona Johnson: 13:59

I love that. And to me, it sounds like the perfect thing to do with our grandkids, right? Yeah, absolutely. Kind of get them excited about using the coordinates and all the things.

Lisa Breitenfeldt: 14:11

Yeah, yeah. Kids, younger kids really enjoy geocaching. Another preconception is that caching is just for kids, and it's, it's really not once kids turn 12, 13, they're off doing other things, you know, sports activities, chasing boys and girls, what have you. But it is definitely a fun thing for younger kids, for sure. And that's again, where I recommend looking for regular or large sized caches. Geocaches. So there'll be something for them to trade and bring something for them to trade as well. So one of my favorites is just marbles.

Vona Johnson: 14:49

Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, one of the things that keeps popping up is, so do you, are they vandalized? I mean, I can, I can see some kids out just playing and not even knowing what's going on and take it or, you know, yeah, I assume that happens too, doesn't it?

Lisa Breitenfeldt: 15:08

It does. Unfortunately. Yeah. Yeah. So we call people that don't geocache like you, Vona I would call you a muggle. Muggle. Okay. Yeah. That's a new label I

Vona Johnson: 15:20

have not had before, I don't think.

Lisa Breitenfeldt: 15:21

Okay. Yeah. So you're a muggle. Well, actually now you're kind of a mudblood, but because you know a little bit about geocaching. Okay. Okay. Yeah. But when somebody steals a geocache, or, Something happens sometimes, you know, it's as simple as, you know, there's a forest clearing along the side of a road and it sweeps up a geocache and it, you know, disappears or an animal takes it or what have you. We call that it was muggled. Yeah, or stolen. So that does happen. And, you know, in, in the game, even now over the years, we've had a few people that join it just to steal it. And they steal the containers. Usually it's An odd thing and, admins can figure it out and shut those, accounts down. And so those people are unable to, to see the caches and there's another way too, is there's two layer, two types of caches, because geocaching is free to play. It's a, on a freemium base and however, there is a fee. I think it's around 40 now a year, a little under a little less than that. And, that allows you to see premium caches. So if you are a premium member, you can hide premium caches and the general public can't see those caches. They don't show up on the app. So you do have a better adventure for sure. If you do sign up for that, but there's no need to, if you're just getting started there, there's still going to be thousands of geocaches, that we're going to be fun to go find.

Vona Johnson: 16:53

I have to know, I assume that the, all the things that are behind you are related to your caching or those things that you have traded.

Lisa Breitenfeldt: 17:02

Yeah, actually, these are what we call geo coins. So, let me grab one here. This is a fun one. So it has a design on them, showing the Okay, yeah, this one is a sample one. So this is the what we call two seasons. It's winter and then road construction. I'm in Washington state. So we're just yeah, Similar weather here. And, so these started a couple of years after geocaching started and they will have a tracking code on them and you can type in the code, this is geocaching 301 is the trackables.

Vona Johnson: 17:41

Okay.

Lisa Breitenfeldt: 17:41

But they, that code, you can type it in at geocaching. com and you can see where this coin has been and who has handled it. So you may have heard of the where's George dollars. Where they've got a little where's George stamp you type in a serial number at where'sgeorge. com you can see who's traded that dollar same concept with these However, the fancy coins they generally don't stay in caches, people put them in their collection. Sure. That's one of my businesses. We actually make the coins. Yeah. And so these are all coins that we've made, generally for other entities, other geocaching groups or big events. They'll include coins in their registration packets and such. I love it. That's yeah.

Vona Johnson: 18:27

So that's that's a conversation for another somebody maybe a little more advanced than where we are today. So, but

Lisa Breitenfeldt: 18:33

absolutely. Yeah. It is a tip though that if you find something like this, that has a code on it, they're going to be six alpha numeric. letters and numbers. It's not yours to keep. It's meant to move on.

Vona Johnson: 18:46

Okay.

Lisa Breitenfeldt: 18:46

So, technically you can take it, but you need to register it and then move it along. I recommend new people, leave them alone, leave them for the next person who is a little more familiar with it.

Vona Johnson: 18:58

I know that this is your business and you have the opportunity for people to, start caching with your, your cache box, your subscription box. Tell us about that. If you would, please.

Lisa Breitenfeldt: 19:09

Yeah, sure, Vona. Thanks for asking. So, yeah, 10 years ago, I started a subscription box called the cache Crate just for geocachers. I've had an e commerce business around supplying the gear for geocaching for Almost 20, 20 years now. And, yeah, cause when I started geocaching, there wasn't much equipment out there, or gear. We were literally raiding our junk drawers. You know, getting old Tupperware and containers and stuff that we picked up around, you know, old toys to use for swag to hide in and trade for caches. So, I started my business around providing the gear to play the game. And that grew into the, the subscription box. So it's just a actually I have six different subscriptions. One is a t shirt club. And then we've got the main box as well. This is our flagship subscription or you can get both. And so it's a monthly, excuse me, a monthly subscription of fun geocaching gear. That you get delivered right to your door. So it's like a special geocache box that comes to you instead of you going out and, and seeking it. And inside we have, occasionally geocoins that are minted, especially just for our members. And, yeah, then there'll be other, You know, cache containers, these rocks that we make they have gone out in caches in the past. And we know not everybody's a hider, so we, those are a couple of times throughout the year. And we have other items too. Maintenance kits, it's, it's good etiquette to, you know, replace a log book if it's, wet or damaged or something and, you know, refresh the insides of the cache if you can. And, then other fun things to keep yourself, safe while you're out geocaching, such as first aid kits or sunscreen, bug repellent we send in the summertime. So things like that. And that is called the cache crate. Go to cachecrate.com. You'll see a lot more information about it there.

Vona Johnson: 21:16

All right. That's, that's very cool. I, you know, and I did make an assumption at the beginning that everybody would be in the place that I am and not know anything, but I'm. I would assume there will be people that are listening that are, are more engaged in, and I would just encourage them to, or anybody. I mean, if this sounds exciting, share it with your friends so that they can kind of get in on the fun too. A fun way to spend, like you said, a day, an hour, whatever. So that's,

Lisa Breitenfeldt: 21:46

yeah, it's just a great activity to get outside. The, in the cache write up, you'll have an idea of what you're seeking. So, you know, you'll have an idea of what sort of adventure you're, you're getting yourself or your friends into, you know, is a easy walk in the park. If that's what you want, go for that. Or, you know, something more of a. You know, wouldn't scramble or something like that. That might not be what you're looking for. And I, I know so many couples that have, you know, come into our community, geocaching community, because they were just looking for something new to do together. And it's just a great way to get out in nature. Not necessarily, though. A lot of caches are actually in the city. But, just a really fun activity to de stress, and, work together as a team, potentially. You can do it by yourself as well, but a lot of folks really do enjoy doing it, together with friends. And there's a huge geocaching community. We get together at events as well, and, I'd love I met my husband through geocaching. He was another geocacher.

Vona Johnson: 22:49

Oh, fun. That's, that's very cool. Yeah, I can see all kinds of different applications for it. So you had mentioned a couple of times that you have some tips for, for people, and I would love for you to share those with us if you would.

Lisa Breitenfeldt: 23:03

Yeah, sure. So like I had mentioned earlier, When you're just getting started again, it's free to play. So, you know, just there's nothing that you really all you need is a pencil to sign those logs. I was thinking that you got, don't forget your pencil. Right? Yeah, definitely bring a pencil or a pen or something to write with because again, that is the one rule that you have to sign the log on the traditional type of geocaches. And then, go after 1 1 caches that are a regular size, so they're going to be easy to find, not a hard hike and bigger, so, and then some fun things to trade. You don't have to trade though, so there's, there's no reason. Yeah, I generally don't, but, if I find something that, really piqued my interest, I just might, and money's okay to trade for too. So these are, these are dollar store items that we're talking. So, you know, just simple things. Okay. And then I wanted to give a parking lot tip. Caches, they're called LPCs, light pole caches. You can think about any. Parking lot, grocery store, Target, Walmart, what have you. They've got those light poles all around them. There's usually a cement base to them. They have a little skirt, metal skirt, and then the pole. That skirt lifts up and it's a hollow space inside there. And if you're stuck trying to find a geocache and you're like, where's this geocache in the middle of this parking lot? It's in the light pole. Okay. Big spoiler. Yeah, I love it. Yeah. Or it could even be something magnetic. If the light pole is a ferrous metal that's stuck to it. Like a little nano. I would have never figured

Vona Johnson: 24:50

that one out on my own.

Lisa Breitenfeldt: 24:52

Yeah, that was. When I first found one of those, I was like, Oh my gosh, how, how is this? And I've been caching for a few years and no, this parking lot, where's this cache? And, you know, as geocachers, we've learned to, you know, carefully see if something moves cause those harder difficulty ones can be very obvious. They're right there, but you don't want to. They look like they belong. And so you just see if something moves, but you definitely want to put everything back the way you found it. You know, don't go digging up somebody's landscaping, trying to find you know, a rock that's hidden around. But you have to put everything back. Yeah. It's good etiquette.

Vona Johnson: 25:34

Yes.

Lisa Breitenfeldt: 25:35

That

Vona Johnson: 25:35

makes

Lisa Breitenfeldt: 25:35

sense. So those are my top tips. I think they're, and you know, it's just about having fun and you don't always find the cache. So I guess I should mention about that, too, that, like you, we talked about earlier, They've been muggled, or something has happened to them. They were either damaged or removed or something. And, so if you, I usually give caches a couple of minutes if I can't find it. It's time to move on. And you can actually mark it on the app or on the website as a DNF. As it did not find. And that leaves a note for the owner. They know maybe their cache is missing. There might be something wrong with it. And, or it just alluded to somehow and then you get a little frowny face on your map, a little blue face. So, you know, to go back and look for another time, potentially, you know, maybe when you've had a little more experience.

Vona Johnson: 26:30

Oh, this just sounds like fun. I'm definitely going to have to try it when it's warmer out. It's like below zero here today, so we're not doing it today. Yeah.

Lisa Breitenfeldt: 26:39

Yeah, we're just at freezing here. Oh, and I should mention one other thing too, there are different types of geocaches. Okay. And, so I really recommend that folks, there's a lot of help, excuse me, information at the website, the main website that explains the different cache types and they have different icons on the map. So the traditional caches like I've been talking about, there's coordinates and you navigate your way there. Thank you. Take care. put your phone away or your GPS with when you're within about 20 feet and just think about where would, where would I hide something and start looking in those places. But there's other types of geocaches that are multiple steps or there's actually nothing physical to find. Those are called virtual caches and you've got to answer a question at a certain set of, of coordinates. And, so those can be really frustrating if you're just getting started, you think you're looking for something, but you're really needing an answer. So be, be careful what type of cache types you go after, and we recommend just starting with the traditional ones. And there's even puzzles that are very complicated that you've got a lot to solve first, that unlock the actual coordinates of where the cache is hidden. So, the game has really evolved. Keep it simple to get started. And then, once you've got a handle on it and if you like it, most people either love it or it's just not for them. But for most, they really like it. And you can, you know, again, choose your own adventure.

Vona Johnson: 28:07

What's coming up for me is This is a great place to start, but there are so many levels and obviously we can't cover them all today. So I know that you have something that will help somebody that starts and they're like, okay, I'm in. I want more. Tell them about your podcast and how they can find that So they can plug in with other people who are cacheing and be a part of that community.

Lisa Breitenfeldt: 28:31

Yeah, absolutely. Thank you. Yeah, so I'm just in the process while we're recording this of getting my first couple of episodes put together. But as this episode comes out, it should be live. My podcast is called Cache Like a Girl. There are other podcasts out there all about geocaching, but none of them Focus just on the ladies that are a part of the geocaching world. When I started caching, it was mostly men. but these days with the advent of, smartphones and apps and many more caches out there, it's, it's actually a little more women than men geocache these days, I think. And so nobody's getting all those stories of the, of the different women that are out there caching. So, cachelikeagirl.com is, where you can go. My trailer is there and, you can sign up to get email updates as to when Episodes are released. It won't be a regular basis. It's more series based, but I'm interviewing other women geocachers of all different levels beginners, parents, retirees, and, and then sharing tips and tricks also, as well, all about geocashing.

Vona Johnson: 29:42

Truly that's how we met was we were, we're in a group, that we learn how to what we call ModCast, which is a modern podcast with the video and the audio. If I remember right, I was in on the conversation helping you decide what to name your podcast. I

Lisa Breitenfeldt: 30:00

think you were, I was wearing this shirt.

Vona Johnson: 30:03

I think you were. Yes. Yes.

Lisa Breitenfeldt: 30:06

Oh, anyway. The shirt that I designed for a Mother's Day box. We do a Mother's Day gift box as well. And that's all over at our, our e commerce site, cache advance. com. And I was wearing this shirt and trying to come up with a name for my podcast. And we were like, duh. Right there on your shirt, Lisa. Yeah,

Vona Johnson: 30:27

so

Lisa Breitenfeldt: 30:27

that's exactly. Sometimes,

Vona Johnson: 30:28

sometimes the answer is right in front of us. We just, are looking too hard. Exactly. Yeah. So thank you for that. It's worked really well. I love it. I just think it's amazing. And I am excited to give this a try. I'm just so grateful that you came along today and shared this information with us. And I'm just going to. Put it out there that if any of my listeners today or anytime in the future, give it a try, I would love some feedback on, on what your thoughts are. And I'm sure Lisa would enjoy that as well. So thank you, Lisa. It's just been a pleasure to have you on the show today.

Lisa Breitenfeldt: 31:06

Well, thank you Vona for inviting me on and hope I didn't overwhelm folks, but again, it's super easy to get started. Just, just get out there and, you know, go find a couple of caches and, enjoy it from there.

Vona Johnson: 31:18

Yeah. Well, good luck to you with the podcast. I'm excited

Lisa Breitenfeldt: 31:21

to

Vona Johnson: 31:21

hear that.

Lisa Breitenfeldt: 31:22

You too.

Vona Johnson: 31:23

Take care. Thank you.

Speaker: 31:25

So there you have it. Wasn't that fun? I don't know about you, but I am really excited to try this. I gotta be honest, I have not gone out and found my first cache yet, but I do intend to do so. I did go to geocaching. com and I found that there are nearly 60 different sites within 10 miles of where I live. So that should be enough to keep me busy for quite a long time, not to mention all the places that I can go to as I travel around the state and to other states. I hope that you found this to be an exciting adventure that you can try in your courageous retirement. If you do, let me know. I'd love to hear your thoughts on geocaching. And if you have other ideas of things that I should be sharing with the listeners of Courageous Retirement, I'd love to hear about that. Next time when you come back in two weeks, we are going to interview a guest and she's going to share with us her concept of how we live with no regrets. Sounds pretty awesome, doesn't it? I hope to see you back here then. Until then, I pray that you will engage your faith, live your more and reap the many, many benefits of living in Courageous Retirement. Have a blessed day.