Rodeo Nights In Western Sydney And What We Learned About Belonging

We disappeared for a bit, and life absolutely filled the gap. So we’re back with a proper catch-up: the Blacktown rodeo in Western Sydney, the vibe in the stands, the ridiculous bits, the good bits, and the kind of people-watching that reminds you why leaving the house is worth it. We also talk mates on big trips, including Mexico (and how wrong our assumptions were once we saw the photos and stories), plus a shout out to Danny Boy Drinks doing the UK and Ireland with daily updates.

Then we get into the bigger stuff happening behind the scenes: buying a campervan to make weekend escapes easier, taking the dogs along, and figuring out what you actually need once you’re on the road. We also unpack the final push on a long, hard renovation and what it’s like getting a house staged, photographed, listed, and priced, including the real estate agent behaviour that gives us the ick.

The main chat comes from a blunt post: “I don’t think I like being part of the gay community.” We take that seriously, because most of us have felt the sting of cliques, judgement on apps like Grindr, and that chilly bar energy where you’re treated like you don’t belong. Our takeaway is simple and practical: stop chasing the noisiest spaces, find interest-based groups, try Meetup, build a smaller circle that fills your cup, and remember you’re allowed to opt out of any scene that makes you feel small. And because we’re us, we finish with a saucy question about a mate who loves sucking cock with no kissing, no cuddling, and why that can be the whole point.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:10

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SPEAKER_02 1:02

Yeah, welcome. We've had a bit of a hiatus, haven't we?

SPEAKER_01 1:04

We have. We've been really, really busy. Yep. And and not the kind of busy where you're doing stuff, but the kind of busy where you're doing work and shit like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:13

Well, daily stuff, things that get in the way of doing things. We have tried to sit down and arrange to do a podcast, but we haven't had the opportunity to match up our times.

SPEAKER_01 1:22

No, and and we've been like come the end of the day. Like we were gonna do one last night, and the end of the day came, and I kind of sat on the lounge to chill for a minute, and next minute you know, it was three hours later, and I was snoring my little head off. So it was bedtime. And that's happened quite a few times now. We've intended on sort of coming back here and we'll sit down, have a coffee, and watch a bit of TV before we get up and get creative. And yeah, it just hasn't happened.

SPEAKER_02 1:48

I mean, life has just taken over from us at the moment, but hopefully moving forward, um, we should be back. Hopefully, regular is back into a routine during a couple of weeks, um, which is great. Yep. Um, but yeah, we'll explain the reasons why we have been so busy coming up in a minute.

SPEAKER_01 2:03

So we we we have been busy, but like this week, let's let's start at the very beginning. Well, not not the very beginning, because it's a long time. Yeah, it does sound like the sound of music, correct? That's exactly where I quoted it from. So there you go. Yeah. Um, but this week we went to the rodeo. We did. In fact, it wasn't this week, it was like two days ago, wasn't it? Two days ago. On what day is today's Sunday? No, today's Monday. Uh yeah, I say you don't even know. Yeah. Um, so today's Monday, and we went on Saturday night after work. After a long day of work for me. Umly morning. Um, but then we went to the rodeo. We went to the rodeo last year and had a great time.

SPEAKER_02 2:42

So this rodeo is in a place called Blacktown in New South Wales, not far from where we live, just west of Sydney. Yeah, and basically it's a yearly event that happens. They do it on two nights in two nights this time. Last time they only did it once, and um it's always in April, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Around now, wherever we are.

SPEAKER_01 3:00

Just after Easter, basically. And it was so cool. Yeah so cool.

SPEAKER_02 3:04

So it's set up this time.

SPEAKER_01 3:06

Yeah, last time they had it set up, and the people with the chairs got to sit sort of ringside, and that's where we sort of sat last time, right up the front and all that kind of stuff. But this time they got a bit clever and they've done ringside seating at a premium price. Yeah, um, and then then the sort of VOP.

SPEAKER_02 3:24

And we missed our tickets for that, didn't we? Unfortunately, because they sold out quite quickly.

SPEAKER_01 3:27

Yeah, real quick.

SPEAKER_02 3:28

Um, but next time we'll be jumping on board and getting ringside because I really did like yeah, the view what we had from ringside the first year was great, especially for your photographs, the photos and all that kind of stuff. Look, I mean they had a big screen on the thing, so we could still see what was going on. Oh, we could see everything, and we had a good vantage point on the stage steps where we were, they had like tiered steps in there.

SPEAKER_01 3:47

It was awesome seating and things like that from that perspective.

SPEAKER_02 3:49

And what was a toddy like?

SPEAKER_01 3:51

Oh my god, the talent was fucking amazing! Amazing, like hot cowboys, sign me up. Oh, cow girls as well. Oh, beautiful girls, stunning girls. Like there was that one there that had like the little crop top type thing on her body, it was just banging amazing, but beautiful face. Beautiful, beautiful girls thing like that. But model materials, besides the boys, but the men.

SPEAKER_02 4:15

Oh fuck every age, every demographic were representative very, very well.

SPEAKER_01 4:20

Oh, yeah, but sort of like just sat there and I went like I want to be a cowboy. Holy Christ, I need to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a cowboy, I need to be a cowboy. I'm gonna be a cowboy. I've started buying the gear. Um, no, I've I can cowboys. He kicks in again. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah. You'll have a ranch set up soon, I'd guarantee you. Yay! With some horses and some sheets to ride. Some bulls. Yep. Oh, what if a pissing wall? And oh my god, and a pissing wall. I'm just telling you, I'm getting one of those and putting it in my front yard. Um backyard, front yard. Want more people. Um, but yeah, so the cowboys were super hot, right? Now the rodeo itself was friggin' awesome. Like they had the barrel races, the girls were doing the barrel races. Um, the they had the junior cowboys, which were riding their little calves, bucking calves. It was so cute, but so fucking I sat there and I thought, Jesus Christ, they were coming off and hitting the dirt like hard, right? They were coming off and hitting the dirt hard. Um, so I sat there and I thought, these are tough kids, these are really tough kids. I would like they weren't the bulls weren't getting easy on them.

SPEAKER_02 5:34

Oh, there was one, remember that one that was just like bounce around and it stopped and bounced around and it stopped. It was almost like he was being wound up and he just stopped. It was funny as fuck, but it was so cute. But he had to win him because he stayed on the longest.

SPEAKER_01 5:45

Yeah, because he stayed on the longest because the bull just decided it wouldn't stop in the middle, middle of bounce, and so it was like, but then they had um they had a$200 prize for the participant, like for the young guys, young boys and that post-ride, wasn't it? Post-ride celebrations. So one of them did the worm, which was really cool. Um, like a lot of them were sort of throwing their helmets up into the material.

SPEAKER_02 6:07

Um Usain bolt sort of like um, you know, signature sort of like up in the arm at the end.

SPEAKER_01 6:11

Yeah, he was doing dabbing and all that kind of stuff. There was there was some of them that were like doing cool little dances and stuff. Getting the carriage cheer for themselves. One was one was sort of one climbed literally all the way up the top of the fence and sort of go like making everyone cheer and that were like that. So it was it's a fun, fun night. Like they had the cheerleaders um at the beginning. They were good this year. They were really good this year. Very good, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:33

I mean, I wasn't impressed with them last year. He seemed a bit in the lame and a bit.

SPEAKER_01 6:37

They were a bit out of time, yeah, and sort of just doing it because like seemed a lot more upbeat this year, you know.

SPEAKER_02 6:42

I mean, the only person I didn't like was the fucking clown. Oh my fucking god, oh my god. That was destroyed me.

SPEAKER_01 6:50

So he was an older gentleman.

SPEAKER_02 6:53

Um Prof. I don't know. He's just an old part of the talk.

SPEAKER_01 6:59

He was an old carney, basically, right? And I think some people thought he was funny. If you're maybe three years old, you thought the clown was funny. Um, but that's about it. No one was laughing, right? No one was laughing. Like Dave was getting annoyed. So most people weren't getting annoyed, but Dave was getting annoyed. Yeah. But he was just he was just doing stupid gags and stuff like that. So it was just and we went with our friends Lynette and Russell, didn't we?

SPEAKER_02 7:24

Yeah, yeah. Um and they loved it, and you know, we loved going out with them. Their company is great, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 7:29

As always, yeah, as always. But they like, but like the rodeo itself, like the food on offer was quite reasonable, I thought.

SPEAKER_02 7:36

Look, I mean, yeah, given, given, you know, it's an uh it's a paid event and they have to hire their place and they got other people out there. Look, I mean, it was it was targeted for everybody. I mean, kids rides and stuff like that. I mean, obviously, there wasn't a lot of kids there. No, but there was oh, there was a few, but yeah, but what I'm saying, there wasn't enough to justify.

SPEAKER_01 7:52

It wasn't it wasn't a child's event, it was a rodeo, right? And the thing is that it like there was a lot more adults and than children. A few of the adults took their children along, and it was great. I mean, which was a good family vibe and all that kind of stuff. Um, but like they had dodged them cars, they had like big slides.

SPEAKER_02 8:10

But they weren't getting used because it wasn't enough people that were sort of like in that age bracket, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_01 8:17

So but it was like it was it was really cool. Um my one of my highlights um as we touched on before, was the um pissing wall. Yeah, so it's basically a big urinal, right? But it's made like I said, yeah, um a urinal right, and it's made out of like these big the things that construction workers have on the walls and stuff like that, on on the sides of the roads. It's like a plastic, it's like a hard plastic. Hard plastic, right? And it's basically it's pretty freaking I should have taken a lot of it.

SPEAKER_02 8:50

And it's all plumbed in together, so it's like a big urinal, like you'd have in a in a normal toilet, but they're all linked together in a big circle, I suppose, you know, going around like a wall.

SPEAKER_03 8:59

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 9:00

And you walk in two directions, one in, one out, or both in, both out, whatever. Yeah, whatever one you want to go in or out. And then because you're facing the urinal when you walk in, you get to see everything in that vantage point.

SPEAKER_01 9:13

Yeah, well, there's there was I said to Dave, look, exit entry number one. I said, You don't really see anything. So go into entry number two, right? That's not the backway, are the way? Um, no, no, no, no, no, no. Um, I said, because as you walk in, you cop a knife all of nice meaty cowboy cock just as you walk in the doorway. And uh, sure enough, whoa, there was my few staring at us, um there, and then along the whole the whole event, there was just like it just so happened that my bladder was quite full that night. Yeah, and Matt went about 15 times. I went once. There was some nice, nice dick on show. Yeah, um, there was like like cabocok definitely.

SPEAKER_02 9:53

And it was quite funny because there was a guy that was sitting quite close to us, and I'd already pointed him out to Matt and a good looking guy, youngest. Well, I say youngish, he was probably in his 30s. Yeah, um and Matt had already gone up to the gone to go to the urinal, and I saw this guy get up about two or three minutes afterwards, and I thought, oh fuck, Matt's gonna miss him, he's gonna be coming out as he's going in.

SPEAKER_01 10:11

Well, I didn't, and he and it was standing right next to me. He came up and he just basically stood right next to me, whopped it out because everyone gives each other the nod in there, because that's what cowboys do apparently. Yep, and um just whopped it out and he had um a nice, nice fat cock with um a lot of foreskin, a lot of foreskin, and I went, hmm, that looks tasty. Can I have a snack on that? Yeah, and he said, sure. Um and that down, cowboy. So yeah, do you want to ride it later? Um hey, no, that didn't happen, unfortunately. That was my fantasy it did. Yeah, yeah, it happened a lot of times that night. But um, but that was definitely the main event. Um, no, the main event was the the cowboys on the on the bulls and on the buck and bronco horses, right? And and they they fucked me.

SPEAKER_02 10:56

So I think next next year we're gonna get a big group of people. Because we're gonna have the usual people that we normally go out with and hang out and uh stuff like that. And we know they're into country stuff as well, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:06

And they're all singers and they're all professional sort of like uh people Miami and and Dick and Fanny and all those guys, they would love it. John and Laura and all those people. Yeah, they would love it next time. We just gotta plan better next time. So I've yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:19

Like I said, we were lucky to get the tickets we got because obviously it was selling out really quickly and we forgot about it.

SPEAKER_01 11:23

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 11:24

Um, but look, I mean, it's definitely a an event that I would be happy to go back to again.

SPEAKER_01 11:29

Yeah, for sure. It's the rodeo is fun. So if you haven't been to a rodeo, get yourself along to a rodeo. It's real cool, it's really cool. And they look after their animals. So I know I have some animal conservationists that don't like races and stuff like that. Um, but these guys really look after their animals because they're paying their bills, so basically. So yeah. So what else have we been up to, Dave? We've caught up with some friends. So we had some friends that went away, but before they went away, we did a big catch-up at my place with them. Yep. Um, and these are the usual girls, which the girls, yeah, which is Cleo and um Vanessa and Amber and Adam um came over as well.

SPEAKER_02 12:06

Adam wasn't going away, it was just a girl.

SPEAKER_01 12:07

Yeah, he didn't go away, the girls have gone away.

SPEAKER_02 12:09

So they've gone away for some of them have gone away for like 77 days. 77 days, yeah. And I think that's Vanessa, she's gone away for 77 days. Yeah, Amber's gone away for probably about 50 days, I'd say. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 12:20

And Cleo's gone away for three weeks. Three weeks, yeah. Which is not too far away from coming to an end, I think. It's about half a week away.

SPEAKER_02 12:29

So they're day they're day nine, I think they are at the moment. But they've gone to Mexico. So all three of them have gone to Mexico first, and they've been going around the Mexico City, was the first week they've done. They've now moved slightly southwest, I think. I'll have to check on the map, I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_01 12:44

And the way the world is at the moment, we were a little nervous for them, not scared, because especially with Amber. Amber knows how to travel. She does, she's travelled the world, right? She's been to Colombia, she's been the places that I wouldn't go as well. She's been the places that some people would be definitely scared to go to, right? Um but like she knows how to travel.

SPEAKER_02 13:07

But she's she does a um a it's not a podcast association.

SPEAKER_01 13:11

No, she does she does a travel blog. Yeah, and it's called It's called Oh god, I've got it wrong last time. But it's now right. Well, no, no, it's gonna change it. She she's thinking, because I called it Amber Down the Rabbit Hole, right? But it's called something else, and I can't remember it. Um, so I'm just still calling it Amber Down the Rabbit Hole. So, bitch, get your shit together and change your name. Um no, she's talking about it. It's called something else. I can't remember something down the rabbit hole. It's something down the rabbit hole, right? And um, but it's like, yeah, it's really cool and really clever. Yeah. Um, so she does a really cool travel blog, so because she has travelled a lot.

SPEAKER_02 13:48

And the the thing is they've all been sending stuff on Facebook and other um social apps, yeah. Um, keeping people updated with photographs and narrative. Now, obviously, Cleo being a history teacher, uh, they're all very different posts. So her posts are very much into informative. Um, Vanessa, obviously, this is the very first big tour she's ever done. Yep. And so she did something different. She actually She's got her own pod, her own web page.

SPEAKER_01 14:14

Well, she set up a different little group. So she's been posting little bits and pieces um for the general public. Um, but then like with like sort of maybe five, six photos of highlights. But then she set up a more detailed one. And I haven't joined that yet because I know I'm shit at that sort of stuff. But um, but like Dave has, and and she's gone goes into a bit more detail there herself as well. But they they they post very similar photographs to each other, but different.

SPEAKER_02 14:41

And I don't read words, so that's all I need. They've all given their own take on things, and it's really nice because you know the way people um report things in their own mind and how they found the data. Well, their own views, yeah. And it's very informative, every single one of them. And there's a there's there's a crossover between all of them, obviously, because of the content and stuff like that. And Amber again, she's doing hers from a travel guide side of things as well. So she's obviously putting out there, you know, places to go to and you know, and what she's found that way. But I've been blown away, I must admit, I've been blown away with Mexico. I've never been to Mexico, and for me, I just had this impression of it being very run down, very hostile. Yeah, hostile hostile, hostile, yeah. Sorry, and very somewhere that I would be scared of going to.

SPEAKER_01 15:25

Well, the same, look, the same. I I I've only seen the Mexico, I guess, that you're seeing the movies. Um, and I'm talking Chichin Chong movies from 1980s or something like that. Um, I'd see if they're even Mexican. I don't know. I think that's a good one. No, Chichon Chong are Mexican, I think. I think.

SPEAKER_02 15:41

Are you sure? I think sound like a Chinese restaurant.

SPEAKER_01 15:43

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. They were like two guys that used to smoke a lot of weed back in the 80s and all that kind of stuff, and they were like El Paco. Yeah, I don't know. They were yeah, anyway. Um, but I see Mexico again, like you said, it's a bit run down, it's a bit sort of old world y old western kind of town.

SPEAKER_02 16:02

We all know about the um, you know, the Aztecs and the Incas and stuff like that, so the Mayan temples and stuff like that. So making that assumption. We don't all know she's like, Yeah, but for me, I mean that that bit with the historical stuff was always what I knew was there. Yeah, but seeing all the other architectural stuff and the the things they've gone to and the places they've been to so far is so different. Some of the beautiful buildings out there are amazing, you know, and they've been to churches, they've been to museums, and you know, it's I'm just gonna.

SPEAKER_01 16:32

It flawed me. It flawed me of the the beauty, like it's stunning. Like the Mexico is stunning.

SPEAKER_02 16:38

Like, well, there's one place is like Uni Unico Heritage. They're people uh look after the house and they paint them all different colours, all vibrant pastel colours, and every single one of them is unique in terms of the colour and stuff like that. And they get sponsored by Unico to make sure that it's a tourist place. Okay, and it just goes UNIF, yeah, yeah. No, Unico Unico, I think it's I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 16:59

Uniclo Unico is a colour is a cothing clothing. I don't know UNICEF.

SPEAKER_02 17:03

Maybe UNICEF. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 17:04

Everyone is, you know. But um, but look, it it's just so beautiful. See, this is where I don't do the reading thing, you do. Yeah, um, but yeah, it was it was it was just like the photos are just amazing. Um, like the girls are they look like they're having an absolute ball.

SPEAKER_02 17:20

Yeah, Vanessa was unwell. Um she got COVID, didn't she? Yep. Um, so she's missed out on a few things that she wanted to do. But look, I mean it hasn't hasn't dampened her spirits. She's still done things. Back up and running. Um, she's still going to the main bits where she can. Um, but I think she said to me that her health is getting better, so she's feeling a lot better in herself. But she said that the the medical facilities over there were great. They went to a doctor straight away, and the doctor saw her and gave her um antibiotics away together. Yeah, some antiviral medications and all that case. And it worked out equivalent to twelve Australian dollars for voting. Which is crazy.

SPEAKER_01 17:55

Great, because you pay way more than that here. No, absolutely. Um, but yeah, you don't even get to see a doctor over here. So the girls are doing their thing in one side of the world. And again, don't quote me on geography because I don't know where the two are.

SPEAKER_02 18:06

It's in South America.

SPEAKER_01 18:08

Yeah, but okay, I'm talking about geographically on a globe. I wouldn't know the difference. Oh god. I don't need to. Yeah, I can believe it. I know where Australia is.

SPEAKER_02 18:17

I can believe it. He didn't lie. I know Australia and New Zealand. His interpretation of everything is in one place.

SPEAKER_01 18:22

Yeah, it's not too far away from each other, most of them. So yeah. Yeah. We've got looks and a decent sized dick. That's all I need in life. Um But we've got another friend, friend that we met through podcasting. We haven't actually met him yet. Danny Boy. Oh yeah, Danny Boy, yeah. Danny Boy drinks, follow his his um Insta Post. So he And doesn't he though? He knows he he's currently going on his own. He's on the UK.

SPEAKER_02 18:48

Well, he's he's in he's in um yeah, England. Ireland at the moment? Ireland, yeah. So he's gone over, he's done eight, he's done, he's done sweat the dogs are um he's gone over to Wales, he went to Cardiff, then he went to Bristol, and then from Bristol he's gone over to I think it's Cork, he's in at the moment. So he's doing three dim stops in Ireland, and then he's going over to Edinburgh, I think, and then going back to London, and then Singapore on the way home. Um look, he's away for a month, I think it is, I think April to May or six weeks. Um but he he he's having a blast. I mean, he does his podcast or he does his um Danny Boy Drink. Danny Boy Drink, yeah. But he does it on social media, he does it on on uh on Instagram on Instagram, yeah. So he normally does a daily account of different types of drinks now. He he doesn't just do beer. Well he does it daily, weekly, really.

SPEAKER_01 19:35

Yeah, he does at least a couple of weeks, yeah, generally. Yeah, but he drinks every day. He's a drinker, he loves it.

SPEAKER_02 19:40

I've got I've got a question to ask Danny Boy as well, because before he went away, it was like probably about two months before he went. He said, Look, he said, I'm I've got to lose a bit of weight and everything else, which I don't think he does. He looks fine. And he said, Oh, I'm gonna go on the man shake, right? But he never he never he never posted anything about doing the man shake, he just carried on drinking like there was no tomorrow. And I thought, there's no way you're gonna get through that, you know what I mean? Yeah, well, but he he knows how to drink.

SPEAKER_01 20:05

I mean, he does he's he's he's very skilled, so he's he's his his um new passion, like his new social media thing really works for him really well. It is good, yeah. Um, and it's very interesting because he does beer reviews and stuff like that, but again, I think he's only disliked two um so far. No, and that was our protest. He saw I don't think he knows how to say horrible things about things. He's a nice he's a really nice guy, but he's I think he just I think the ones that he didn't like he went, mm, maybe not for me. Um instead of absolutely slating them.

SPEAKER_02 20:36

He loves his beer, he loves uh, I think uh what was his favourite one? He bought Bud Bite. We like Bud Bite Bud Light Bud Light, yeah. Bud Light or Carlsburg? Yeah, I like Carlsburg or something like that. I think it's Bud Light. Um but he improvises I think he's one of the hotel at the moment. He went to Tesco's, which is um one of the UK sort of like um um grocery stores. Um and basically he in the hotel he's in at the moment doesn't have a fridge. So he bought some ice fridge. And then he yeah, just he went, he he bought some beard dye, then he bought some his own towels. He bought white ones because he said I'm not gonna wreck the stuff.

SPEAKER_01 21:10

He doesn't want to ruin the the the hotel towers. And he said I will.

SPEAKER_02 21:13

I mean, I don't know what he does. I mean, I don't ruin any towels.

SPEAKER_01 21:16

Well, maybe he does his beard a bit different than us. Yeah, maybe, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But um, but yeah, he um but yeah, so f check out Denny Boy Drinks. He um follow him on Instagram, give him a follow. Um but then you all get to see his adventures around the UK as well. But I love his voice as well, he's got a very deep voice of the yeah. Sexy man, sexy voice. Um and again, we still don't know whether he's on our team or not, but we're happy to fantasize nonetheless. Um correct. But um so he's over the UK. The girls are all currently in Mexico uh we're sat here. And we're sat here in in downtown Sydney. Yep. But we I'll say not for long, but we are still gonna be in Sydney or travelling variations, 'cause um I bought a van. I I've secretly bought Wimbahama back. This is the beauty of being single people. Yes. You don't have to ask any permission for anyone from anything. So when we went to Naked Camp um last year, November. Yep. There was a lot of guys that had these little vans, campers, and all that kind of stuff. So that kind of got stuck in my head there because I thought that's actually a really good idea. And I came back with a thought process because there were some that were amazing. Like the setup was just spectacular. But then you talk to people and you ask them what price range they were, and they were ridiculous and not even close to within my budget, right? But I kind of went, I don't mind that. I think it's actually a really good idea. So then I had a look around and I started started gauging a bit of a look, and and I was my plan was to potentially have a look at these for my retirement, right? Or as it gets a bit closer. And when I was chatting with Lynette and Russ, um they said, You're shit at saving. So if you think you're gonna save money, you're never gonna happen. They said, But you will pay bills. They said, because you're similar to us in that sense. And so I kind of went, mmm, they're kind of right. And they said, Well, why don't you look at getting one now? That way you can use it on the weekends. That way by the time you get to retirement, if you do like it, you do it. If you don't, at least you haven't spent like, you know, a hundred K on a on a van that you're gonna have to then go and resell and do all that kind of stuff if you don't like it. Um so I thought that's actually a good idea. So I started doing a bit of online snooping and did did some homework, did real homework and found out what the best type of van was, um, looked at the kilometers, looked at how long they last and what they do and all that kind of stuff, and then looked at a few, quite a few. Um, and then I found the one that I really liked. And it was reasonably priced, like especially comparably with what's on the market. Like the ones that are on the market here in Australia, um, some of them have got like nearly 300,000 Ks on the clock, and that's about where they top out for a for a camper, right? And that's when they start having real problems. Well, the one I bought only has 140,000 Ks on the clock, which is sounds like a lot, but it's actually not. They actually imported it, didn't they? This one came directly from Japan. Yep. Um, but it had been like it's it's it's a Toyota hi-Ace and it um fitted out with everything I need and nothing that I don't. So the thing is that the only thing that I would potentially not bother with is a sink, but it was there and it doesn't take up much room.

SPEAKER_02 24:39

Well the TV as you're finding that as well.

SPEAKER_01 24:40

And the TV. The TV fucking shits me because every time I get in I hit my head on the stupid thing. I bought some rubber stuff to put around the corner of the TV so that I when I do hit my head, at least it doesn't leave a scar like the five that I've already got. Um but like it's it's a cool looking little van. I've um covered recovered a lot of the seat covers already um and stuff like that. We're gonna paint it out a little bit um with some I don't know, Dave's giving me the expert advice on his painting tips for that.

SPEAKER_02 25:09

Yeah, so we're gonna do like a surf field.

SPEAKER_01 25:12

Yeah, so sort of thing. So but it's it's really quite cool. Um and so we're looking, we went away for a day, a one day. Put the girls in the back, and we went to Wollongong for the day.

SPEAKER_02 25:25

So that's south of Sydney.

SPEAKER_01 25:27

Yeah, okay. Yeah, because Matt doesn't know. Uh don't ask me where the south is up. It's about an hour drive south of Sydney, basically. Okay, there you go. So it's whatever the GPS says to. Yep. Um, so we went there for the day and took the girls to the beach, which was awesome, and had lots of fun there, and they frolicked in the water and played around. They loved it. They loved it. Blondie normally screams in the car, yeah, but she was fine. She was perfectly fine. She would just chill, she was looking out everywhere. Um they had a ball, they had an absolute ball of it. So yeah, that was that was that was good. That was really good. So um that was fun. So, but then we're looking at potentially doing uh something over the Anzac Day weekend, which is next weekend, which is next weekend, so we'll probably do a a road podcast.

SPEAKER_02 26:17

Um they're the ones that we met on the Neki Man Cabin, they're the ones that got the camp of on themselves.

SPEAKER_01 26:21

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 26:22

And they said, Come over, boys, come over. And there's a camping site not far from where they live anyway. So yeah, even if we just go for one night, yeah. Just one night just to test it out. Because we need to see how comfortable the bed is, we need to see how everything works, and then we can then work out what we've got to spend more on.

SPEAKER_01 26:37

What we need, what we don't need, yeah, all that kind of thing.

SPEAKER_02 26:39

And how and how we can fit the girls into you know that sort of like configuration as well.

SPEAKER_01 26:44

Yeah. Yeah, because yeah, because it's uh the the plan is to go away with the girls as often as possible. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:50

I mean we we we do want to go up to Queensland at some point, don't we? Yeah, um, you know, for a week or two. Um and that would be a great thing for us to take the girls with us.

SPEAKER_01 26:58

Correct, correct. Because that way I don't have to worry about pet sitters or anything like that.

SPEAKER_02 27:03

I just basically we're trying to work out uh uh a name for the van.

SPEAKER_01 27:06

So I think that's no, I've already told you it's a surf city sin wagon. Oh, okay. Because I like that I like bus better. It's not a bait bus, I'm not doing the bait bus Dave. We can use it as a bait bus, definitely, if we get some hot straight guys on the way. Uh yeah, straight guys. But but oh, we can do gay guys too. But we can't do things with the girls in the car though. Well, they can go with the pen in the back. It's like yeah, yeah, they got their little they do have their own little pen, so yeah, that goes off.

SPEAKER_02 27:32

Maybe you need to put a wall on it, a glory hole wall, and we'll sit inside, and then people come past in the parking lots and then Easy Tiger.

SPEAKER_01 27:38

It's not that kind of bus. It's a good boy bus. No, it's not. Um, it's not me and it's not.

SPEAKER_02 27:43

I'm just getting carried away with the rodeo again.

SPEAKER_01 27:45

Yeah, yeah, I know. Tell me about it. I'm gonna get a piercing wall to hang off the back of it. Um three years we've got the cabin looking down. Oh, catching that one. Um, but yeah. Um, so yeah, so that's so that's my caravaning.

SPEAKER_02 28:02

I've I've done that. Uh-huh. And I've been busy. I've been busy. This is the reason why I haven't been able to come over. It's like the last three, four weeks I've just been maxed out on the house.

SPEAKER_01 28:11

Yeah, so to the point where your house, let's do a bit of a catch-up on the house, Dave.

SPEAKER_02 28:15

So basically, I'm at the point now where the house is like finished, um, and I'm just like working on the backyard a little bit, just touched on bits and pieces. Hence the reason why Matt came over yesterday to give me a hand to move some of the the the what do you call them, Matt? The bromilias, but what did you call them? Cunts. Yeah, they're the ones. Fucking cunts. They attack me. They attack you, yeah. They're evil. Um, yeah, so basically they look nice, but they're fucking sharp and spiky and not nice. Um, so yeah, so um it's listed. Um I've got the photography coming out on Wednesday this week. Um so by Thursday, Friday this week, it should be listed on realestate.com.au.

SPEAKER_01 28:55

And we'll we'll share. I'll share that as well. So the people overseas can actually see what a house in Australia looks like.

SPEAKER_02 29:01

Yeah, and then um basically um it won't go uh it'll go on on the market obviously straight away that week. Um, but obviously I won't have the first open home until the following weekend because it's Ansac weekend next weekend, so they don't operate on Saturdays. Yeah, and most open homes are on Saturdays. I mean you can arrange to have evening ones and days, you know, on days that suit people that have asked to come over and have a look. So you got a good tip from one of your neighbours as well. Yeah, so I had two of my neighbours over, two of the beautiful ladies that live next door to me, they're both teachers, and they've been they've been itching to see the house, and I've kept them out of it. They saw the house before um I did anything to it, and they've been watching the progress on the outside as I've been doing it and commenting and monitoring and saying how beautiful it looks and how proud they are of what I've done. And then obviously, I you know I've kept them purposely away from inside because I want to see them, I wanted them to see it in the complete form rather than you know, yeah, not finished. So I've got it staged. Um, and my sister came over and helped me um just touch up the staging um and you know, move the three things around for me and you know, start it a little bit different to how I had it. But a lot of it is your doing. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I I set it up as I want, and then my sister comes along and she'll tweak it and she'll move a few things around, or she'll tweak a few things out without maybe too much, you know.

SPEAKER_01 30:15

It was quite funny yesterday because one of the girls actually said, Wow, this is this is styled beautifully. And they said, I if we had asked our husband to style it to do anything like this, he'd have no idea. And me and Dave looked at each other and went, Well, your husband's not gay, clearly. Well, no, he likes the occasional blowjob for a man, but um no, he doesn't, unfortunately. But well, we might do, who knows? But um, but like well, we're sitting there laughing at going we're yeah, but gay guys like we know how to do that kind of stuff, right?

SPEAKER_02 30:46

So but also I mean I've learned over the years. I mean, as I've been doing the renovations and doing the thing, I picked up a lot of tips from much as if on the very first renovation I did, and she's got a very good eye for styling, and she's done she's done an interior design course, even though she's a nurse. Um, but you know, she she's good at tweaking things, she's good at like um you know, taking things out that don't need to be in that place. Yep. And then I might put them back later on. You know, sometimes I do because I like it. Yeah, and it hasn't bothered her, you know what I mean? Yeah, uh, but look, this one has been uh this is this has been a hard, a hard renovation for me. It's taken me nearly two years, I suppose, at the year it would normally do, mainly because of like access to my builder. I mean, he hasn't been available, so it's just like snowball for me. Um and then I've had issues with trees, I've had issues with subsidence, I've had issues with the specos and stuff, which I've not dealt with in the past. It's been a canton. I'm completely under budgeted for the whole thing because I'm so used to doing things on a different way. Over budgeted, and then this way it's basically just the money has just gone into things that have cost me so much. The trees have been my biggest nightmare. And again, I mean it's got me down many times, and Matt's been there to pull me back up and you know encourage me to carry on. And because you get to a point where you go so far and you think I can't not do anymore, I've got to keep on doing it because I'm finding these problems with it, and I've got to do it, you know, to repair it all.

SPEAKER_01 32:06

You're happy with it now, because now that you're looking at it from the outside in, yeah, you're much happier with it because, and especially after the girls walked through yesterday and after your real estates have been through, and they're all going like, Wow, wow, yeah, wow, like because even with they've still got some trees in the back of the garden, which again, if I could have taken them out, I would have done.

SPEAKER_02 32:26

But then my neighbour said, Don't, because they look, it's looking like it looks really nice. I like it the way it is, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:32

And as I said, it's not too many. And the the fact, like Dave looking at him, he says, Oh, too many trees, but it's not too many, it just it actually gives a really nice, tranquil feel.

SPEAKER_02 32:43

Yeah, because I've done it, I've done it in the style. It's a Hampton style house, but with a beach effect, so it's all style for like coastal, sort of like Hampton style. Yeah, um, and you know, the feedback that both the girls gave me yesterday was fantastic. It made me feel very much more calmer inside, it made me give it the positivity I need to know that someone from the outside looking at it from their perspective and then them telling me what they think about it is really positive for me. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I know that there are limited numbers of houses in the area, it's on a quarter-acre block, so it's a big house and a big, big garden. Um, I know it will sell, but I've just got to make sure I get the right price for it because obviously I put a lot of money and time into this that I need to move forward after having two years of my life taken up from that um to get back into the property market and then move forward with the other one. So I'm gonna take a little bit of time off after this, Matt. And you've uh you've agreed to let me stay at your place for a couple of months, yep. Um, which I will gratefully do. Almost insisted, actually. Yeah, you did, I know. And I've also filled up your house with all lots of my stuff. I've seen it. You've run out of the room. Well, I normally go from one house to the other and I take it with me, you know what I mean? So, but this time I'm gonna have to get another storage unit temporarily just for the furniture, no, just for the furniture, yeah, just for the furniture for a couple of months, and then I'll take the furniture out of storage when I get the next one and put it into the into the garage, but I won't put anything out, I won't, I won't, you know, do what I've done, lived in it the way I I've done. No, it's just gonna be a case of me to getting in there and doing the renovation as quick as I can. Um, I'll look at finding a different builder that can commit to giving me the time that I need because it's not it's not effective for me. I mean, I've got to run a business as well. Um, and again, it's just I mean, the builder I've got he's great, he's a lovely guy, and phenomenal. And he's a good one. Yeah, and it's just frustrating for me that he's got other jobs on, which I get, but then I get pushed back and pushed back, and then months, months, months, months.

SPEAKER_01 34:29

You're running a business too.

SPEAKER_02 34:30

I'm just not gaining anything from it. So I've got to reset and just do these things in a different way. Correct. Um, so look, I mean, you know, and I know the a lot of people have told me this over the years, but I've been loyal and I've just been sort of like, you know, yeah, I I know my builder and I know what I like from him and everything else, and you know, this is the worst one for me, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_01 34:47

Yep, yep. This one is the straw that's broken the camel's back, unfortunately. Yeah. Um, but look, if you are a wealthy investor and you want to buy a property that is spectacular and done to perfection as well, might I add, um, hit us up and um hopefully part with about 2.6 mil. Um, and um that's that's what Australian, obviously. Australian, yeah. Oh, if you want to give us 2.6 US, go ahead. Um, that that'd be lovely. Um, you don't need to look at the house, just deposit the money straight into my account. That'll be great. Thank you very much. I mean Dave's account, that's what I meant. Sorry, yeah. Um, but yeah, um, that's right, that's his business, isn't it? I'm just a store manager at a retail store. But um, so the only other thing I think that we've got from our weekly rapslash thing before we get into our first topic, Dave, is I'm a great uncle again. You are so my nephew um had another little baby, he's had a little baby, um little Lakeland, a little girl. Um that was right, and his and his partner, obviously, as well. Right? Now, that's right, yes, they are too. Um, but they've had another little baby boy and named him Navy, which is a cool name. Very never heard it before. I've never heard it before it's so strong as a as a boy's name. Yeah, um, like uh and they've his second name they've given him was Graham, which was like in honour of my uncle that passed sort of a year ago or so, yeah. Um, which was very, very touching when I read it, sort of sort of had a had a little moment there because I sat there and thought, that's really thoughtful. Like and and and Josh and Shelbs they are thoughtful people, yeah. Um, right, but like I sat there and I went, like, and I think um Lakeland Rose, I think her middle name was actually one of her grandmother's names. Yeah, so they've been friends who they were owned family members. Yeah, they killed it. They really hold family dearly. Um But little Navy, who I'll get to meet a bit later on this afternoon. Yep. Um, but like my sister was showing me photos of him, and he's like a little old man, he's so cool, like he looks like a little old man. And I said, Oh my god, he's so cute. Um, so I can't wait to meet him, that'll be really cool. Um, but bought him some stuff for the radio from the rodeo the other day when we were there as well. A couple little ringers hat and a little ringers thing, um little jumper and that as well. But yeah, so that that's gonna be cool. But um, that's pretty much it's our weekly slash monthly slash podcast. I know, right?

SPEAKER_02 37:19

But we've had to explain what we've been doing and why we've been away and stuff. So that's that's sort of a lot of things. So hopefully we'll be back to back to some kind of normal and doing some kind of uh Well we'll hopefully we'll take the Robin podcast with us next weekend and we'll definitely do uh a report as we go along from you know a little trip. From places, from places everywhere.

SPEAKER_01 37:38

So yeah. So I don't have an intro stinger for anything like that. So that's all right.

SPEAKER_02 37:45

We're gonna talk a slightly different topic of conversation today. Uh we've been online and we've had a look at sort of like scrolling the internet.

SPEAKER_01 37:52

Scrolling the internet.

SPEAKER_02 37:53

Just for just for topics of conversation that we can talk about and relate to as well.

SPEAKER_01 37:56

And I we come across this one, right? And um I'll read it out in a second verbatim, right? And then we're gonna have a bit of a discussion about it. Now we haven't pre-discussed anything because that's not what we do anyway. No, but we scrolled the internet and we thought it's something I can definitely relate to in a sense in your in yeah, from your direction. For myself, um, something that everyone I think can relate to at some stage. But again, there's some some things in here that I think um are really quite common, um, quite honestly. But oh, without further ado.

SPEAKER_02 38:28

I'll read I'll read what the topic is about. You read the topic. So basically, this this person has uh has written in and asked a question. He said, I don't think I like being part of the gay community, and that's what he says.

SPEAKER_01 38:38

Right. So how what he's written is I don't think I like being gay. People tell me that there is love in the community, that you will find your people, but I don't think that's true. Some of the worst heard-of experiences come from gay people, they certainly don't seem inclusive, really. They're more exclusive. When you try to talk to the guy at the bar, you either get a ooh and they walk away, or they're polite but they don't want to talk to you. Their face and eyes say they say exactly what they're thinking, they're the nice ones. On apps, you're blocked if you message them and you don't like look like you've stepped out of a model catalogue. Outside of the apps or a bar setting, gays are usually getting clicks, click clicks that are not very welcome to outsiders like me, right? And they don't step outside their circle of new people for new people. I get the advice of love your gay brothers. While good advice, in theory, it's easier said than done. You show them love, but they won't change their bad behaviour. When does that love come back to you? How are you supposed to not be bitter and disillusioned with all the lies and the hypocrisy? Really, I wish I could not be part of the community. I know if I get lies and hik hypocrisy in this c in any community, I could get lies and hypocrisy in any community, but it usually isn't blatantly obvious to me.

SPEAKER_02 40:06

So that says a lot, and it does resonate, I suppose, with what we've both experienced and what other people have experienced as well. And Matt will probably tell you a bit more about his own sort of like take on it because um he's obviously been through a different part of it uh and the experiences he's had. But again, for me, when I first came out and I got into the gay community, I was horrified. It's one of those things that you really have to circumnavigate through. And I was disappointed, I was shocked, I was overwhelmed, I was a whole heap of different emotions went through me. And again, I sort of like thought, this isn't for me, this isn't for me. And then slowly over time, you sort of like work out where your groups of people are, you slowly work out what is the best way to approach people and you know respect their boundaries. But there's a lot of hate in the gay community, there is a lot of hate.

SPEAKER_01 40:58

And and like I said, for for for what we deem, and and I told um Dick and Fanny this when we went to Fair Day a little while a few years ago now, and they witnessed it and they sat there and went, holy Christ, like for what is said to be a community and how we all want equality as a community, um, we certainly do put ourselves into little boxes, right? Now, like we've said many times before, you've got the bears, you've got your twinks, you've got the muscle bears, you've got the the the truns, you've got the you've got every single little neo little tiny group of people that is possible. And when this person says that talk about little clicks and they don't clicks and they don't let you in, that is so factual. Like it's like I when I separated from my ex and he was part of the bears, um, probably for a lot longer than I knew.

SPEAKER_03 41:50

Yeah, but you also went along.

SPEAKER_01 41:52

But I went along for the ride because I thought this guy, this group of guys is a really nice group of guys, right? And don't get me wrong, there are some really nice guys in there, yeah, and some guys that have continued to be nice to me, right?

SPEAKER_02 42:05

And I would say that for every group of people, there are still nice people within those groups as a collective group, they are very they're very clicky, um, and just because they're a group that's already pre-established, right?

SPEAKER_01 42:21

Everyone has felt like an outsider at some stage in that group. So, yes, it takes time to work your way into that group, and it shouldn't be that freaking hard because everyone knows what it's like already. They've all been outsiders.

SPEAKER_03 42:33

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 42:34

But I I gave up. Like I gave up because there was not only there did it feel like it was hard work. Initially, I felt like I was a new piece of meat, yeah, right, and that I would have to sleep my way into the circle, right? Which I wasn't really prepared to do at that stage. Um, because again, I'd we were just in a brand new open relationship. I was still navigating what that looked like and stuff like that. Um, but it felt like that that's my that was my way in. That was to sleep my way in with this person and with that person, with that person, with that person. And even a year and a half, two years on, I think I was on Grinder and one of them hit me up and said, Oh, how you going? Blah blah. Remember, we were gonna catch up and fuck pretty much. And it was like, Yeah, but that's all we were gonna do. Like, you know, you were we're never gonna be anything else, which is fine. Um but I I didn't want to be part of the group that bad.

SPEAKER_02 43:29

Um but also as soon as you it's all like separated. When we separated you were judged so badly.

SPEAKER_01 43:35

There was people that were nasty, downright nasty in those groups as well. So as for all the care and the the love and compassion that they're supposed to show each other, um, they just didn't. They were they were just like I said, they were just nasty. There was people that actually physically pushed me. Yeah. And and I kind of went like, mate, watch a step, because I'm gonna push back in a second, and I'm gonna hit harder than you. You ever will. Right. Um, so the thing is I get this, I get why you don't feel part of a community, but here's a cracker for you, find go somewhere else, right? Whether it be, right, um a gay sauna, right? And you'll find people, you won't find you might find people that you've chemically that you on a chemical, not chemical, what's the word? What what am I looking like so we connected basically because chemistry, because of the chemistry that we had um initially, right? And then that has turned into friendship, right? Um, and proper true friendship. And that's happened with quite a few people over the years um that we've got as friends. Now some of them have gone off and found love. Um some of them have just gone off and disappeared. Um actually ghosters. Um but there's like the thing is that there's other places that you can find people, so don't stick to the mainstream, right? And there's also no rules that say you have to have gay friends, right? Now, I can count my gay friends on one hand, right? And that's literally it. Like they've got you.

SPEAKER_02 45:09

Um, I'm sure you can count a lot more than that.

SPEAKER_01 45:12

Gay friends, actual gay mates, yeah. You can probably count a few more.

SPEAKER_02 45:16

But again, I mean, it's whether or not you see them regularly enough to sort of like make them, you know, your close, close friends.

SPEAKER_01 45:21

Well, that's what I'm saying, like from a close friends perspective, right? Like I said, I've got and and I'm not gonna list them because I've got I've got a big circle. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. And a big circle of people that care about me and that I care about, right? Yeah, but from a gay friends collective, right? Immediate, immediate one. Immediate friends, there's not many. Like, there's not many.

SPEAKER_02 45:40

So don't feel like you have to be part of and I think that's the same with the straight people as well. I mean, you don't have to have many immediate friends, as long as you've got people that you're happy and you're uh you know and you see them and they're there for you every single day or whatever, you know, you can turn to them. That's all you need. Because I mean, as you knew, navigate, I mean, it's like on Facebook, I've probably got about 600 friends, right? But these are like acquaintances from the military, they're quite from school, people I haven't seen for 20 odd years, right? Yes, they're friends, but they're not friends, if that makes sense. They've gone from being the close person in my life to being a sort of like distant person, but I can still resonate and talk to them and you know and pick up from where they are. But in terms of like socially actively being around people, you only need a small group of people because I think it becomes overwhelming as well. If you can dedicate your time to the group of people that you're happiest with, yeah, then that's all you need. And they fulfill you, they fill your cup up, absolutely. They fill up your cup with love and like you said, you don't have to have many gay people in that. I mean, because we we get the benefits from the people we surround ourselves with.

SPEAKER_01 46:36

If you really want some gay friends, right, some places that you probably may not have thought about, like I said, is the gay sauna, right? Or find things that actually interest you. So, like, um there if it's rodeos, for example, there's a whole in especially in the US, right? There's a gay rodeo circuit that actually happens, right? Head along to one of those. You might meet people that actually enjoy things that you enjoy. But there are events even at our local outlets.

SPEAKER_02 47:03

Naked camp, yeah. Naked man camp, right? You you make people and you meet new people, and you know, you stay in contact with people and Facebook groups.

SPEAKER_01 47:12

There's um like there's some for out here in the Western Sydney. Um, and I I basically stalk them, right? Um, because one day when I get some time, like there's a whole group of them that do a dog walk. Um now by the time they do their dog walk, I'm not even home from work yet, so there's no chance of me actually ever heading along to that at this stage in my life. But there are some really nice people, and they seem to have nice, true, honest friendships online. So there are some nice people out here, um, so they'll be the same for your era, no doubt. Um, but then like naked man camp, like that's a really nice bunch of good guys. And if you want to talk about cliques and stuff like that, now when people are completely naked, that kind of goes away. You'll find that a lot of people will just talk because you stand there with your cock out, right? Everyone's already assessed everyone, right? And the guard kind of goes down because nobody sees what designer clothes you're wearing, or what this or what that. Yeah, there's nobody.

SPEAKER_02 48:18

So um, but again, I mean, going back to what this guy has asked and said, I mean, you know, even on the apps, we get the apps. We've already mentioned this before. You know, I mean, the applock people all the time. The apps are just the apps. I mean, they're the hookup apps, and if you're lucky, you might score one, but most of the time people just play you around, they're fake a lot, the profiles are fake. Somebody asked me the other thing. But do you know what gets me right, mate? Everyone wants to dick pic, right? And I don't quite get it because there's so much porn on the internet now. I mean, you don't need to, you know, ask someone for dick pics because there's fucking thousands and thousands of things. Well, that's what I just give them. Exactly, right. So but like I said, I mean, I I don't quite understand it. I mean, the end of the day, going out and meeting people is the most important thing.

SPEAKER_01 48:55

But and but on the apps, like I got when we're at the radio, because again, I opened Grand just to see if there was any hot cowboys. There's some bizarre people out there. But I got a fucking uh um a message basically saying I want to come over to my place and sit on my seat and I can eat your ass on my rimming seat. On my rimming seat, and I'm going like okay, and then next minute I get a photo of the rimming seat, and it's basically just like a little it's like seat, like a walker, like if I can describe the picture, it was like one of those oldies walkers, but with a toilet seat on it. And I'm thinking to myself, that ain't gonna be sexy for me, mate. If I'm sitting on the toilet seat, you eat my ass while I'm sitting on a toilet seat, ain't my idea of of sexy, and I'm not gonna be enjoying this. So thanks for it. But there was no picture of the person what was gonna do. So um, yeah, so the apps, buddy, I get that. That's a that's a if people are going to the apps for friendship and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_02 49:56

And like he says, I mean, you you know, most people judge you if you're not like a walkway model or whatever. And again, people are so pretentious on these apps, and again, you can get lucky and you can find some genuine people on there. I'm not saying there isn't, but if you want to meet somebody, go on the other side. Yeah, the sites like Hinge and places like that where more gay gear for Meetup is a great app.

SPEAKER_01 50:16

It is a great app because it actually has what's happening in your area, regardless of where you are in the world. And they have little and again, find your thing. So if you're into crocheting, there's a gay meetup group for crocheting. There's a gay meetup group for fucking cars who are car lovers. There's flag waving, there's baton twirling, there's you name it, there's a gay meetup. Crock wearing. Oh fuck that. Um, yeah, no. Um as you said, say with his crocs on. I almost walked out the house yesterday with my crocs on, didn't I? Yeah. It was just like Dave went, Are you wearing those? And I went, fuck. I literally was I panicked. I gay panicked even. Um, it was like I gasped and I was just like, oh my god. Miami's gonna kill me. Miami bought me these awesome crocs. I mean, they're beautiful, and I love them. I love them, I wear my own. Dave's now in love with crocs at home, right? Oh wow. Um, but I literally almost walked out the house in mine, and it was just like, oh fuck no, I can't do that. No, cannot do that at all. So um, in wrap up to this one, I think don't worry about finding your tribe as such, because they will come to you. Um they that like people will come to you. Um, you just gotta put yourself out there and do something you love and you enjoy. Um don't be too hung up on it. But yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 51:38

But you know, even some of the replies, there's only three replies on that, and they're they're very much like we've said. I mean, they they they've encouraged this person to not give up on life and you know, just go out there and and find the people that really matter. Yeah, so that's a lesson to everybody, really. I mean, even if it's straight or not, just go and find people and be happy as around the people you're happy with, yeah, and it'll all fold unfold and it'll all stick together like glue, I suppose.

SPEAKER_01 52:00

All right, Dave. Now here's another one. This one's a little bit naughty, a bit saucy, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 52:03

Where are we going this way? I don't know.

unknown 52:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:05

Are we going to another topic now? Yeah. Okay, right. I need to go you carry on talking. I need to reset my thing because I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_01 52:10

Do you want me to read the topic out? Read the question out. I need to I just need to go back and this heading is question for guys who like sucking dick. Bingo, you got us. Um we both quite like the right things. Now, this one says, let me read this one out, Babatum. It says, I have a friend who loves sucking my dick, my cock. No anal, no kissing, no cuddling. He sucks my cock at least once a week, doesn't care much about the circ circumstances. He says it to help him de-stress. He's he does it more often during exams because he needs it. He swallows my load and licks every drop clean off my cock. I'm 23, he's 21. What exactly turns him on about this? I mean, he's not getting anything from this. Well, he is, right?

SPEAKER_02 52:59

I'm I'm still trying to find he's he's getting a lot from it.

SPEAKER_01 53:02

So speaking from experience of somebody who doesn't mind putting a cock in my mouth, um, or two, or three, or five, or twenty. Um, so Dave's lost the thread down. Sorry, bear with me. You carry on talking. I'll keep talking because I can talk about sucking dick a lot. Um, I may have done it this morning already. Yeah, I found it. Um here we go. But like, so this guy, what's he getting from it? He's getting giving you pleasure, right? Which look as getting your dick sucked. So then this guy's straight, yeah. Well, I don't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 53:34

These two are like college guys looking at the city.

SPEAKER_01 53:36

College guys, by the looks of it. Yeah, yeah. Right.

SPEAKER_02 53:38

That's a video that I'm putting in my brain. No, but that's what I think you said there was in college, and then 123 and 121. Yeah. So I think he's straight and he has fascinated, and he's now got it.

SPEAKER_01 53:49

He wants to know why why is this guy so enamoured by his cock? Right. Well, it might be a really nice dick you've got there to start with, right? Not that there are many bad ones. Oh, there's a few bad ones actually. Um, but I think I watched a video and I actually shared it with you the other day. You probably didn't watch it. I shared it with you and with Miami. Um, and some guy was saying that by sucking dick and swallowing, right, the sperm side or something like that, spermidide, or some some chemical in in cum by swallowing is actually really good for your brain, good for your whole body. It actually makes you you look years younger.

SPEAKER_02 54:25

Um they they put sperm on your face now to make the wrinkles disappear, don't they?

SPEAKER_01 54:28

Yeah, I know. I know give me a gallon. Um What happens when your cocks all shorts real likely? Because you have to fucking work. Yeah, that's why you rub it. That's why I was rubbing mine all over your cock this morning to make it nice and smooth. You did. Um, but yeah, so I think what do you get out of sucking dick? You get like I said, it's it is pleasure. Of course it is.

SPEAKER_02 54:46

It's a bit of a power play. I mean, giving, giving and receiving is both pleasurable, you know. Yeah, it immediately is.

SPEAKER_01 54:53

But from a just a giving perspective, like this guy is asking, what does he get out of it? Well, look, it is it is quite powerful to know that you've got somebody's cock in your mouth. And men, we hold our cocks within such high aspect.

SPEAKER_02 55:06

Especially when they're a person that you think is wear of your league anyway, in in terms of like your attractiveness to somebody and you think, fuck, that person is fucking hot. Yeah, and then you you think I'm never gonna be able to fucking get someone like that just because you put yourself down always, you know what I mean? Even though you're you don't need to. Yeah, correct. Um, and then suddenly they say, Well, you know, and then that becomes a power play because you're then the person that's actually given them the satisfaction and it makes it happy for you. And one of the people go or one of the comments, I think, in the reply to this, um, one of the guys said he feels like he's a submissive cocksucker now because he gets off on the fact that he's been submissive to the person allowing him to suck the God. Yep, yeah. And again, that's a completely different perspective.

SPEAKER_01 55:48

Again, so the thing, yeah, but like I mean, it it's powerful, right? That knowing that you've got some control over somebody because you have complete control, absolutely, right? Um, because I know that if I'm going down on someone and they're going, stop, stop, stop, I'm gonna come, I'm gonna come. Yeah, and if I want to keep going and make him blow, and that's what I do, and I do that, and they go, Oh, I didn't want to come here. And I go, Well, but I wanted you to, yes, right. So guess who guess who has the power here, right? It's me.

SPEAKER_02 56:16

Um, but again, I it's it it's quite I I like but I don't think you you know, like we said before, you don't have to be a gay man to have your cock sucked by another man or to suck another person's cock. It's just an act that we know the pleasure that we gain from both receiving and I suppose doing it. As you as you do it, you realise sucking cock is not a bad thing at all. No, it's it's an art form, you've got to learn it. Oh yeah, there's some people that don't know how.

SPEAKER_01 56:42

Yeah, you gotta make it so if you want practice, come on over to me. I'll let you suck my dear good luck.

SPEAKER_02 56:47

I mean, like you said, I've had some horrendous fucking people suck my cock. It's not um it's not um it's not a natural gift, yeah. But so again, practice, practice, practice. You say that name, but I've got multiple them, so it's not yeah, I won't be like multiple Steve's yeah, so yeah, so and it's there was only one that um that had the issue, but um but then you know it's again it's it's lack of practice. Yeah, correct, correct.

SPEAKER_01 57:16

So you said lots of married men too, so you won't that won't single.

SPEAKER_02 57:19

And look, I mean, I've had some great fucking married guys that have fucking sucked my cock and I've sucked their cock as well, you know. And you know, and like you said, you don't even have to have any other thing because I think one of the people in the reply said, I don't kiss, I don't cuddle, I don't do anything else, I just suck cock because I love it. Yeah, and again, we've come across people like that even in the saunas, and you think to yourself, well, it's not normal not to do some of those things if you've got like if you you know, but then different cultures, different people, like if they're married guys, they have respect for their wives in that regard.

SPEAKER_01 57:45

So they won't kiss another guy, but they'll swallow your load twice. Suck your cock, yeah. Yeah, yeah, 100%. But again, um there's different the different people have their different parameters and uh and there are some people that fucking know how to suck cock, like fucking Dyson. Yeah, Dyson's great. I haven't seen him in such a long, long time. We need to get back to the sauna days. Yeah, yeah, I know. Um, definitely, definitely. So, yeah, um so what is he getting out of it? He's getting pleasure himself because he's actually sort of doing that.

SPEAKER_02 58:12

Um, he's getting and I wouldn't complain if he's fucking happy sucking cock on a daily basis and letting you suck it for him. Yeah, bloody. Holy fucking hell, you know. Yeah, just do it. Don't question, don't question it.

SPEAKER_01 58:22

So um, hands up if you like sucking dick, yay. Um, and then sort of hands up if you like getting your dick sucked, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 58:30

See, I I I really want to do it. Uh I would love to be able to do like this or like um like a glory hole, right? Yeah. Have all these guys in there, both gay and straight, and you have women, men in there, right? Sucking cock.

SPEAKER_01 58:43

So you want to do like a Pepsi Max Coca-Cola test, blind taste test. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 58:47

So you move across and then you get them to judge which one who's doing what? Yeah, who who gave them the best blowjob? And I I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 58:55

Oh, we know that your skills have you you because you're very proud of your skills, because you are good at it.

SPEAKER_02 58:59

Yeah, but what I'm saying is, I mean, at the end of the day, I mean, I'm not saying that girls can't suck cock because there's enough guys out there will say, Yes, I love my cock being sucked. And we know that Miami thinks she's the best.

SPEAKER_01 59:08

Yep. Right. She's gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_02 59:09

But it would be interesting, but it would be interesting to have a a uh a sort of like a trade-off where you can go in there and they don't know who it is, and you go in there and then you take turns and they say number one, number two, number three was the best one. Yeah, you know what I mean? And it would it would kind of give you like an ego twist or a fucking either way if you come at the bottom.

SPEAKER_01 59:28

Imagine if you raked really badly all these years you've been thinking you're the best dick sucker ever because you can make people blow. But you'd have to go practice and try and re-reevaluate how to do it.

SPEAKER_02 59:39

It'd be yeah, I'll be good. I mean, we've got a few friends that we could happily practice on.

SPEAKER_01 59:43

Yeah, um, so if you want to be part of the first inaugural cocksucking mystery cocksucking event, glory hole, glory hole championships, yeah. Glory hole championships, that's what they can be. We can do that. I'm gonna set those up, Dave. Definitely. Yeah, um, and we'll have the Glory Hole Olympics.

SPEAKER_02 59:59

Um yeah, and I I just think it would be a fascinating thing because you know, we've got friends, women that would probably say yes, I'll do it as well, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:07

Well, they're married now. Yeah, not all of them, no, but I'm sure that's it Oh, but no, definitely she's married, so she wouldn't because her husband wouldn't let her.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:15

Well we she'd love to, but her husband wouldn't let her. Um But we we would have enough people in our friendship community or friends of friends that would actually participate and do it for us as well. Yeah, and I wonder and even their husbands as well.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:26

I'm just thinking, like now I'm lining up people of the the cocksuckers, this is where his ADHD is kicking in. He's stopping. Yeah, I will stop it. So yeah, but yeah, um, buddy, if your buddy is helping you, um, let him help. Absolutely, just let him let him go.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:41

You never know when it's gonna stop.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:43

Yeah, correct, correct. He might find somebody that falls in love with and runs away.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:47

Yeah, um, but yeah, but yeah, so that's pretty much the topics, I suppose.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:52

No, pretty much the topics. Wait a second, where is it? Right here, ready for this.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:57

They're grumpy, they're gay, they've got something to say. From traffic cues to crook you, still bitching all the way. Game Matt's pet peep.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:08

Ooh, we haven't heard of that for a while. We've only got a couple this week, Matt. Um, because obviously I haven't had time to think logically. I haven't had time to get angry. No, I haven't. Well, I have. Yes, so the clown got me angry or two years ago. Yeah. Um, that's gonna be a pet peeve. No, no fucking rodeo should have a clown involved in the case.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:25

No, well, they do because they uh are appealing to the three-year-olds. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:28

Um, but yeah, come on, cranky, go. Okay, so my first pet peeve, and it's related to my house sale. So obviously, I had multiple agents coming over to evaluate my and you were there for a couple of the evaluations yourselves. And you know, I'm I'm happy to sit and talk as you know, and they they were talking. I know.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:45

As I know, but you know, you you you you trust me, if we let Dave go, this podcast would be a fucking 12-hour marathon. There you go. Maybe you should.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:53

Uh anyway. Um, yeah, so basically, one of the one of the uh real estates I've never dealt with them in terms of buying or selling before. I've I've viewed them, viewed houses, spoken to them. So I I get to know most of the uh the agents in the area.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:05

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:05

And I got a good report with most of the guys, yeah, yeah, very hot, good-looking guys again, but you know, they kind of know their stuff. I mean, they've got to respect that. But then at the same time, I felt very awkward because the conversation got to the what's the part that really paved you? It was basically when they started berating other agents to basically sell themselves as the best ones rather than just like give me what I need to know about the area, give me to know about what they can give to me to sell the house and what they're gonna offer. And and so you know, and obviously they've got to explain that they've made sales in this particular thing, and they do that, but then they just went off a tangent and then started because they they asked me who else, or they saw who else I'd actually had, because I had the brochures on the actual table. Yep, and because they obviously have a dislike for certain agents in their area because it's competitive because I mean they they went down this whole charade of berating them and telling me that they shouldn't, I shouldn't go with them. And these are people that I've dealt with and had successful.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:04

And they were saying things like, and because because they seen that they've had the brochures on the counter, and they were saying, Oh, yeah, the big yellow group, right, which is Ray White, um, you know, the the people that are in there, they're just all cookie-cutter, like you know, rogue, overrated, overrated, they're all ego-driven, all this kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:24

And I'm sitting there going, and look, there are elements of that involved in every every real estate. I mean, there are egotistical people, but I would say 90% of the people I've ever come across have always been very realistic.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:35

You want them to be good with you because that's all you care about, right? Yeah, but the thing is that the way to boost yourself up is not to tear someone else down, yeah. Right, regardless of what industry you're in, right? Um, so I sat there and I felt kind of awkward, thinking to myself, we've just had a really good conversation with this guy, yeah, who didn't bag anyone at all. He just told us what his skill sets, what his thought processes were, what his concerns were, and what he's currently got in the market. And what he's currently got in the market as a comparative, and why he thinks that he could get whatever price he got for it, right? He's sort of subject to um and so he spoke nothing about other agents at all.

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SPEAKER_02 1:04:16

And he doesn't even know these agents either, as in to talk to. He knows of them, but not ever had a conversation with them. Yeah, they're all part of the same thing. But I sat there and I went like, man, they haven't talked of agents. I've got to just pause, I've got to my agents calling. Yeah, so we're we're back now. Sorry, that was just my agent giving me an update on a viewing I had off the books last week. Yeah, um, like good feedback, but you know, well below the asking price. So obviously that's not going to be a contender. I mean, they'll they'll work on her, um, as they always do. Yeah, um, but like at the end of the day, once there's more competition out there and people start saying, Oh, I like this.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:49

And it depends on how much money they've actually got available to them as well. Yeah, I think it's thinking about it. This person was looking at a property that was significantly less than yours. So they probably thought, oh, we'll go in with the same offer. And if he's desperate to sell, we'll he'll sell you. You ain't that desperate.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:04

Well, talking to our neighbours, they knew who we were talking about, and they told us what she had. And yesterday I knew that she only had a maximum of what she's pretty much offering at the moment. Yeah, correct. So, look, I mean, you know, again, I mean, it's one of those things that you know you've got to be brave and bold sometimes to say no. Yeah, um, luckily on the last one I had, he went 17 hours on he didn't even go to his first open home, he just got launched, and it I had two buyers in and they surpassed what I expected.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:27

Well, as I said, once it's launches, once the photos get hit and done.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:30

And exactly right, and then once the target price is put on there, people know what the target price is involved rather than just sort of like lowballing it because they think that one's the same as the others. Yeah, and they wouldn't have seen the other one because it's been sold. You know what I mean? So they're just going on feedback and you know, it's just one of those things. Correct.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:45

But yeah, but anyway, so real estate agents yeah, so that just became very bad.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:50

That's a pet peeve of mine. I don't get it, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:52

He he was pretty shit, quite honestly. So yeah. Um yeah, sorry. That's all right. So my first pet peeve is Yes, what have I written here? Fucking Jesus Christ. Um public holiday price hikes. Yes. Alright. So I'm in a major retailer. Like I I work for a major retailer. I pay public holiday rates to my team. Right. We don't put our prices up for public holiday. Right? Our prices are our prices, are our prices, regardless, right? Now I don't get, I do get as a small business, small business, right? How you then have to pay charge, yeah. Publicised. Yeah. Like as and I'm talking a little coffee shop, a little place like that, where you've got you, two other teams, all that kind of stuff, right? You're paying them double time and a half for the day.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:47

They also advertise that that price for the day. They change the price, they change the menu up the board, don't they?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:52

What I don't get is giant venues, like just say Panthers, for example. Or RSL, yeah. Right? Like our local, right? Which is big. It's a multi million dollar a day event place. Yeah, right. So they put up public holiday price rates every single time.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:11

But they don't advertise the price rates. Right. Oh, they do.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:14

They say public holiday pricing, right? Yeah, but they do. No, but they they'll put it on, but they don't say it's a public holiday price. So if you're looking your normal central$21, it'll go up to$23 on that day. And you go. I'm sure that was like$21. And then they go, Yeah, it's public holiday pay price rates. And I sit there and go, for why? It's just money grabbing, right? Like it's money grabbing. Like if you can't operate a business, don't operate a business, right? It just shits me to tears. Like I said, for a small business, I'm there with you and I'm happy to pay. Absolutely. Happy to pay. But um big corporate businesses are. The other one that on that is that these ones that are F Boss only businesses that then charge you an F Boss surcharge. Yes. Right? I don't get the price hikes. I don't get it. Like you're not giving me the option to pay in cash. So if it's$4.50 for a coffee, don't tell me then I've got like a 17% or 1.7% surcharge for FOS if you're not giving me the option of paying in cash.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:14

Absolutely, I totally agree with you.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:15

Like there's a local cafe where I work and it does exactly that. And I said, Well, I want to pay cash. Oh, we don't have that. I said, Well, don't just make your price$4.70 or whatever it is.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:26

Yeah. So you're not hidden, you're hiding the transparency by everybody paying the same because then they don't want me to pay.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:32

It's an FOS charge when your only option is to pay F-bos. So that shits me to tears. I really I just don't get it.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:38

Anyway, and obviously the banks have changed that policy now, they're getting rid of all that excess charge in.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:44

Well the banks have, so they're saying the RBA and they're not passing it on to the these guys. No, exactly. The guys are making the money. But as I said, like it's just the same with the fuel prices. If I did it as a major retailer, wouldn't I be all over the news and Facebook and everyone else?

SPEAKER_02 1:08:59

Going on another bit of a pet peeve with the governments and stuff like that. I know it's political, and I'm not going to go too far in it, but with the current situation with the fuel and the war going on in Iran and stuff like that. Yeah. I mean, we've got a but uh we've got a comeb uh a body run by the government, the ACC, right, which investigates high price and stuff like that. And every single year, year on year, the petrol stations will go up and down, up and down, up and down. There's no justification for it. The public hold they they go up for one reason. Nothing changes. They pay the same amount for the Bowser, they get the same delivery of the fuel at their cost, but they put the prices up and they make the money. And the ACC keep on saying, Oh, we're investigating, but they do fucking do anything about it to make it fucking work. So what's the fucking point in having a bloody government body that do nothing about it? Oh no powers. So yeah, that's probably sorry.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:44

Oh yeah, that was supposed to be my pet peeve, cranky. Hey. All right, what's your down there? Yeah, I did. No, you kind of what's your pet peeves? Um princess. I'm just trying to see what I got written down here.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:56

Well I got written down. I normally I'm good.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:58

Yeah, we can't even understand in our own writing.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:00

Um oh yeah, people that text you or message you, right? Oh yep, yep. This is one of these things that I never understand. When people text or message you or whatever and say, can you come are you free to talk or you blah blah blah, and you say yeah, and then you get no reply for like five hours, ten hours, two days, and you're like, what the fuck's to go here? You know what I mean? I've literally just given you the the go ahead to say yes, I've lost. I am free. I'm free. Or I've just replied to a message that you've text me directly within seconds, and then I don't get any reply.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:36

Correct, within seconds, usually as well. And that's I said there and I think to myself, like, like uh and you hang on thinking, well what is it? I'm waiting for my phone to call or waiting for the phone to ring. I'm sitting here, and then you'll ring them sometimes because you think, oh shit, maybe there is a they're in trouble. But then you get and then they go straight to voicemail and disappear and and then you get the other side where they don't fucking stop. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, correct. We do get that as well too. But yeah, that that that bugs me a little bit as well, that one. So I sit there and I think to myself, like, just just don't text me. Yeah, but um that's my copy. My last one and the last one for the day is um lies. Like why lie what's your face or just behind your back or both? No, just in general. I know I I have a specific, but I can't use it because I don't want that person to get offended. Yeah, right. But don't say one thing. Like, just tell me honestly, like, for example, I've got like my friend Amber is fucking amazing at this. So her integrity, I will never question her integrity ever, right? Because if we're going out somewhere, right, or we're supposed to be going out somewhere, for example, right, and she just doesn't feel like it, she'll message me and say, Matt, can't be fucked, right? Yeah and and you she'll she has no idea how much I actually value that because I have other people in my life that will message me and say, Oh, I can't do this because this has come up, that's come up, that's happened, that's happened, that's happened. And I think to myself, no, it hasn't, you just can't be bothered. And I'm okay with that because I do that. I say, Yeah, not up to it tonight. I just I just don't bother, I can't be fucked, right? But like the making up of a lie to get yourself out of doing something, right, doesn't make sense to me, right? And and the same, like I just uh Or when someone says something can they say the opposite to someone else. Well, or if somebody's making up a story around something that supposedly happened, like with test results and all this kind of shit. I just don't get it. I just think to myself, like, you you're just making up stories, like it's it's and it's really transparent because is it because they attend you're not remembering your lies?

SPEAKER_02 1:12:49

You reckon they're they're just not a source of intention.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:51

They don't remember their lies either, which is like and I've caught them out like like I said, there was one recently at work that that I don't know we've spoken about this because I really don't speak about work very often.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:02

Yeah, and obviously confidentiality can't say, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:05

But no, yeah, yeah. But he just basically rang me and said, Oh, I didn't get the job. Yes, and but I'd been told that he got the job by the people that were employed. By the people that were employing him, and because we discussed a release date and everything like that. And then when I said to him, Well, tell me again, what what did they tell you? And he said, Oh, they told me that it was a more suitable candidate that I was top two and all this kind of stuff, and I went, Oh, okay. And then I said to him, Well, what would you say if I tell you that I know that you actually did get the job? I said, Because they co-spoke to me, we spoke about a release date and everything. And then he kind of went, Oh, oh, busted shit. Um, yeah, I decided not to take it. I said, Well, that's very different than not getting the job. Right. And I said, And there was no need to lie to me about that. I said, like, what was the point of lying? Because I I like I would have said that makes you look like you got your integrity is is fucked.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:00

Well, they're they're not trustworthy.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:01

No, so so yeah, that person no longer works for me now as a consequence. Um but um I got them to resign, um, which was a win for me.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:09

Um, but um PlayStation there are people out there that that that that will, you know, they'll say one thing to one person, they're gonna say something to another person. Yeah, and then they'll stab you in the back or they'll talk about you, or they'll talk about other people, even though they've sort of said oh this, this, and this. And then you'll think, well, why? So it's like gossip mongering. But like liars, like do you really know that person well enough to know that they are telling the truth anymore? You know what I mean? But liars don't bother with me.

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Like, don't bother. Like, you know, like I said, I've got some great friends that are phenom phenomenal at saying no, not my thing. Yeah, um, like um Fanny, she's amazing at saying not my thing. Like she's amazing. She just says, No, that that one ain't for me. Yeah, no, or no, that that ain't for me, which is great. I'm I'm okay with that. Because everything and and again, Dick and Fanny will often message me and say, Oh, how about this? And I'll go, Yeah, nah, nah. And they said, Oh, I thought you would like that one. I went, nah, not really worth paying like 80 bucks to go and sit and watch that. They never questioned it, then no, no, no, no, and that's what I'm saying. This is the beauty of my friendship circle, right? Or our friendship circle, is that they don't then sit there and go, but you really should come to this, or you there's no pressure attached to it. Like that's why I love my friends so much and hold them so dearly. But yeah, um, but yeah, lies suck. But that's um That's our wrap for this. Yeah, so we've spoken about cocks and about betrayal and about all kinds of stuff today and about exciting stuff. So um, we hope you've enjoyed today's podcast and we'll be back soon. Bye. Bye. That's a wrap from us. We've been your Fully Grown Homos, and we look forward to opening your mind, your ears, and your curiosities. Don't forget to like, comment, and subscribe, and share our podcast with your curious friends. You can contact us on Fully Grown Homer's Podcast at gmail.com or any of our socials fully grown homoes podcast.