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We Trace How The Gym Became A Queer Social Space
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We bounce from life admin and weekend updates into a surprisingly deep look at how gyms became a key part of gay culture, from ancient Greece to modern locker rooms. We unpack fitness, body image, cruising etiquette, and the pet peeves that make us properly lose it.
• PrEP timing, on-demand dosing, and staying on top of scripts
• Caravan and camping show highlights, gear temptation, and dog jackets
• Putting a house on the market, inspections, and “optimism” rituals
• Casey Donovan’s live show, song choices, and her career journey
• Impulsive buying stories, family banter, and the Easter egg saga
• Ancient Greek gymnasiums, nudity, and the roots of homoerotic gym culture
• AIDS crisis impacts on gay fitness ideals and “looking healthy” pressure
• Real gym routines, sauna and steam room dynamics, and cruising signals
• Discretion, consent, risk, and how apps intersect with gym spaces
• Grumpy gay complaints, from road closures to water waste and towel gymnastics
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SPEAKER_01Welcome to Fully Grown Hymos, a podcast about our adventures as Fully Grown Hymos navigating today's world full of inquisitive friends' questions about gay life and the unexplored activities of a life lived as fully grown homos.
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SPEAKER_01Good afternoon, Matthew. It's Sunday. Back on schedule. Well, yeah, kind of. We are Sunday's a novel day. Sunday. Sunday podcast day. Well, schedule would have mean we've been to church this morning, but we haven't done that. We haven't done that for a long time. I mean, I haven't done it for like three months at least. Yeah, I know. Which reminds me on Monday during the morning I need to ring the clinic and book in my six monthly. Well three monthly it's supposed to be. I know. Well it will be three months. It will be three months because otherwise I'll run out of prep. Um because I've only got like about like a week's worth of pills.
SPEAKER_02I know, and that's why I'm glad I'm taking on demand now because I'm not wasting them because I haven't used any needed to be anywhere.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Not that I've been out hooring, but unfortunately, still need them. Or not fortunately. Unfortunately. No, but they're good to take. I did look at the online option through that heymister and a few places and all that kind of stuff. But you still have to get a script. Well, you still have to go to a doctor's and get a script, which still doesn't have to be a good thing.
SPEAKER_02Well I think they've actually come down now to a reasonable price anyway.
SPEAKER_01So Yeah, I know, but that it's not the price, it's a convenience thing for me. And I thought it was just like online shopping like Amazon, like I've been doing a little bit of lately. Um Well, yes. Um, yes. And I'm sure you'll tell everybody about that later on.
SPEAKER_02No, I don't I like your impulsive going. I do agree. We had to talk everyone was talking about me last night. We were, absolutely.
SPEAKER_01Matt Matt's impulsiveness. Yeah, that hasn't changed. And so we've got a podcast. Exactly. If I wasn't impulsive, this wouldn't happen. Um well, other people advising you or guiding you as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So um, but yeah, um, so yeah, so I need to book that tomorrow. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02So what else have you been doing? Or have we been doing?
SPEAKER_01Well, what I've been doing, I I I went to the caravan camping show this week. You did? With and why was that?
SPEAKER_02Because I wanted to. Because you've been away with me in the van.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, we'd been we did we talk about the van? Oh no, we recorded from the van last week. Yeah. So that's a good one. Yeah, so that's gonna I'm gonna drop that probably a bit later on today. Yep. Um and um yeah, that's a previous podcast where Dave is very soft, so you have to listen really carefully with your rider. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um and I didn't realise obviously because the mic was a little bit too far away from my mouth, I suppose, which is not normal for me.
SPEAKER_01No, he likes things right up in there. Right, exactly. Yeah, normally. Um, but because it was a portable mic, I think he was holding it back like he does with this, and just sort of sitting there and didn't realise so.
SPEAKER_02And because we don't get the feedback, like I can hear myself now for the headphones, I know I'm talking loud enough. Yeah, but on there I didn't have any audio in my ear to guide me. So but it's a good lesson. Good lesson. So because we're doing quite a few. And I hope you enjoy it because it was I enjoyed the podcast. I enjoyed doing the podcast last week. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was it was a different one. It was we were literally we literally were in Manny this time last week.
SPEAKER_01We were yeah, we're sitting there on the water? On the symphony on the on the yeah, in the four river front, oh fucking ocean front, whatever it's called, beach front. It's an ocean, whatever. That water stuff. We're sitting there in the in the van chitting, chitting and chatting and doing all that kind of stuff. So yeah. Watching the world go by. Watching the world go by indeedy.
SPEAKER_02So yeah, so the camping show, tell me about it.
SPEAKER_01So well, it was big. Um, it was huge. It was like lots of caravans, lots of camper vans, lots of thing is you tell me big and huge.
SPEAKER_02I mean, you know, your definition of both is so diverse.
SPEAKER_01So it filled up so Rose Hill Race Course, which is like a rose a race course, right? Um, but it filled up all the spectator area. Like they didn't go onto the grass because that's for the horses and stuff like that. Yep. But it filled up uh and and I want to say like it's probably a stadium's worth of stuff, right? Um and there was caravans, there was camper vans, there was like little vans, like the mini vans with the fit-outs like I've got. Um there was everything you could possibly want, slash need, slash want, want. Um there, there was like things that you use for camping, things that you use for caravanning, things that you use for anything daily life. Anything like that, plus daily life and stuff like that. I I didn't go too apeshit. I actually thought I was really well. I sort of and it's not that I I'm happy to spend money. That's that's one of my one of my gifts. Um But I only bought really a a ladder, which is an extendable ladder, which is like I got no idea why you bought a ladder. Because I want one, and I've only got a little step ladder in this house. So if there's any time when I need to reach up a tiny little bit taller. When are you gonna go up a ladder? Go fuck yourself. When I'm when I need to go up something taller, obviously. Have you ever needed to go up a ladder before? Yes. Wait. Um just the other day. Exactly. 1.2. Anyway, it's it's I've got it now. So if I do need to, right, then I can, right? And you know what? You'll say, Have you got that ladder? Can I borrow it? No, I've got enough ladders, you know I have. Yeah, no, well, you're gonna take them back. Not that not that one. I've got other ladders though. Anyway, but um, so the caravan camping show was that, and I bought a couple of jackets for my girls. Um, all over. I love you. But they were really cute. This is why I bought the conversation, which we'll talk about afterwards, your sister last night. They're really cute anyway. Um, they're like dog face, which is like north face, but like dog chances. They are nice, I do like them. They're really cool. They are pretty cute. Bondy's a little chunky and she doesn't fit hers. I should have got her the same size as Chanel's, but so I will. Chanel's not fat, she's just bigger. Oh, Chanel's a dog. A bigger dog, yeah. She's a tactically a bigger dog, so yeah. Um, but um, so I will send that back to the woman and get her to change it over unless um I can find another dog that fits into it. Scruffy won't use it. Scuffy will use it, he'll he'll love it. He's he'll love it. When he comes over, we'll see. If he comes over to get his his groom in a couple of weeks' time, yeah, then we'll try it on him and he'll say thanks, that's really cool. Um so I went there, had it was a good fun day. But you were working that day, weren't you as well? I'm working that day, I did like an overnight.
SPEAKER_02So you just pretty much left Russ to do his own thing in water.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, after after that I left Russ and he basically got on um he got on the light rail back to Paramata, went and had a look at the Lego shop, which I don't know if I was allowed to leave him unsupervised in a Lego shop, but hey, I did anyway. Um I don't know if he went and spent all their rent money. Um no, he wouldn't have he's a good boy, he's a good husband like that. So yeah. Um but he went and had a look around Parramatta and did all that kind of stuff. So he had a good afternoon and a good day out as well, which probably gave Lynette a bit of space.
SPEAKER_02And so in terms of um the stalls and the people going there to view it and stuff like that, you know, was it more people viewing or just more stalls that you saw? Was there a lot of people that oh there was lots of people there viewing?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, right, there was a lot of like older people. Oh, okay. Right? Um, that were looking like they were settling down to retire out of van life. Right, okay, yep. And the amount of different vans with different options uh blew my fucking brain apart. I'm sitting there and going, like, wow, there's nothing you can't get in these things. Like, there was one that it was really quite compact, as in the size of a small trailer. It looked like a little dinghy kind of thing when it was all folded up, but then it folded out and it had every bells and whistles, it had like a washing machine, it had literally everything. Do you really need a washing machine when you go and camera? I wouldn't. But yes, I said a lot of it was overkill, and that's I sat there and I thought, like, it's just too much, some of it. But some of them, the price tag on some of them as well was just like, holy fuck! Yeah, um, like there was one that was and and again I was thinking was similar to set up to mine, um, but it was one of the high top ones, and it was brand new. Yeah, but it was like about 150k. Yeah, right. Exactly. And I went that way. Like, and like the shower slash toilet that was there, I don't know if I'd fit into it. Like, so that's the thing I think to myself, like, what would be the point of that? Yeah, because you'd you'd literally be so uncomfortable having a shower in it because it was so small.
SPEAKER_02I think it's depreciation depreciation. Depreciation? Yeah, thank you.
SPEAKER_01As soon as you drive out the driveway, you lose 50k on those.
SPEAKER_02Whereas if you buy a house or put down the house, at least you're gonna make appreciation on it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you know, as soon as you drive out the house, uh the driveway.
SPEAKER_02But you look, I think what you got is perfect. It's great.
SPEAKER_01It is great, and as I said, everything was amazing in it, loved it. Um, but yeah, yeah, it was cool. That was a cool um but so we yeah, we had we had that weekend, little weekend night away. Um, but then we went well, I I put my house on the market. Your house is actually listed. Yeah, my house is listed. It's been on the market for a week now. Yep, and I've shared that profile via our um fully grown homos. Thank you very much. Um look, the responses online have been really good.
SPEAKER_02Um check it out if you want to buy it. Disappointing yesterday. Um, I think it was just the wrong time of day when I had it. Yeah, and also there's been a lot of things happening in the area, like events and stuff going on where families have actually gone out to those things. So, in terms of like viewing wise, it was a lot lower than I thought it would be. But look, I mean it's the first time.
SPEAKER_01I gotta stay optimistic in that regard. 100%, 100%. So that's what I said. That's what I said, and and yeah, I I can guarantee you didn't do what I told you to do. I did. I bought I've actually got some um uh diffuser um. And did you go around and talk to every room and tell it? And it's actually called So they your new family's coming? It's actually called Optimism.
SPEAKER_02Oh, there you go. There you go. So I did laugh when I saw it. I thought that's what Matt taught me. Yeah, I think. So I went round like a buddy uh what do you call it, a priest doing the rights in it? Waving the sage just flicking everything with my little bit of diffuse oil.
SPEAKER_01Diffuser oil, why can you cum jizz all over the place? Yeah, yep.
SPEAKER_02No mind like someone will fall on it and slip and prepare their neck and five. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, no, well I did tell Dave he needs to walk into every room and say, get excited, house, because today your new family's coming to meet you. Yeah, that'll be nice. But if he won't do that because he doesn't believe in that shit. Um anyway, so last night. Last night we went and seen the incomparable, absolutely fucking astonishing Casey Donovan. She won our Australian Idol back in 2004. So the year before I got here. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02So yeah, um, and look, I mean, I've been to a few other uh things like Sister Act and other things that she's done.
SPEAKER_01We've seen her in things, yeah. Absolutely. We've all seen her in things, and she's always good. Like Sister Act the show, and again, I think we spoke about it on one of the podcasts when we came back in. Um, but we didn't love it, right? We thought it was a pretty shit show. Yeah, but the actual performance. Rhonda Birchmore was great. Um, like the casts were fantastic, yeah, but it just wasn't a really well put together show. No, right now. Um, but Casey as a as a solo act, right? We got their first song, like she did from Chicago, right? Umorton, and like, and it was like boom, right? You knew she was off and running because her vocals are just so on point. She just can sing, right?
SPEAKER_02Everything she sang last night was in a different genre, and she nailed it every single day.
SPEAKER_01Well, she did songs from all her shows that she's been or from a lot of her shows that she's been in, right? Um, and then she did them from different moments throughout her life and her journey, as she explained. Um, and I I will throw some snippets into the mix here somewhere as well. Um, but I'm not sure if I'm legally allowed to, but I'll throw a couple in there and hopefully hope for the best. Yeah. Um, but it was just like it was just next level brilliance. Like, and again, I'm gonna make Dave sit down this afternoon and watch a movie that I've loved for forever. And she made references, and she made movie because she it is one of the songs that she sang to get into top 12. Um and I can't remember the name of the song, but it's from the movie Camp, right? And this movie again is back in 2004, um, 2002. 2002, I don't know. It's it's a it's an early movie. Um Anakendrix. Ana Kendrix has a young girl and all that kind of stuff. Um, a lot of other people I don't know where they all are now. Um, but it's a great movie. So if you haven't seen Camp, um go and check it out. Um, like I said, Anakendrix is is one of the characters, so that's how you'll also find it as well. Um, but it's it's really uplifting, it's it's it's a it's a really good show, but the music in it is fantastic, it's all based around Sondheim. Um Steven Steven Sondheim, who's a I want to say music-y guy, kind of from musical theatre. Um, he's done a lot of stuff on that. Um, but it it's it's really, really, really good and really fun. So I'm gonna make Dave watch it.
SPEAKER_02What I liked about last night as well, not only the vocal talent and the um charisma that she had, but she was so witty, she was so funny. She's sharp. She she was like an entertainer on that show. Yeah. On that stage, I'd say I mean she had this all laughing. She's coming to her own. She had this crying, she had this like feeling all the emotions that you can imagine that she's gone through. Yeah. And we wouldn't ever be able to work out what she's gone through because she's been through a whole road treasure in the world.
SPEAKER_01And you're not gonna read it because you can't read. I can read, I just don't read. Okay. Have you checked it? I'm going to see if it's all the audiobook. Um, alright, I haven't checked yet. Um, but I am gonna see if it's audiobook, and hopefully it is, um, because then I will listen. Um, because I do that, that I do very well. Um, um, because I know Anna Kendrick, speaking of the devil, does actually have an audiobook, Scrappy Little Nobody, and it's awesome. Um, so I do love audiobooks. Um, but Casey was phenomenal from start to finish. Some of the tunes she sang. Yeah, huge. Like it was full. It was full. Um, and to see her doing her own show and see it being full was really, really, really good for her as well.
SPEAKER_02She had great song choices, didn't she? Because I mean it was just going from one to another. I mean, I loved her renditions of Queens Um.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, from from um from uh what's that show? Uh We Will Rock You. Yeah, yeah, because she did um The Killer Queen. She played that role in that.
SPEAKER_02But she was phenomenal. She's phenomenal in that.
SPEAKER_01But like the thing is that like every song, every song, like she could do opera?
SPEAKER_03She could do it, yeah.
SPEAKER_01She could definitely, she's got the range. Yeah, yeah. Definitely, definitely. And there was some real, really clean. I sat there and I just kind of went, uh, uh. Well, I thought I saw your hand moving on your heart like that. Yeah, I was sort of I was getting all the feels and stuff like that, and that especially through some of them. I'm sitting there and I'm going like, huh? But you know what? She didn't sit down once, is she?
SPEAKER_02She stood on that stage in high heels. But she did kick her heels off for a little while there. In the end, yeah. I mean, I don't know how she managed to wear the heels on the stage like that. It was not. Yeah, yeah, because she ain't tiny either. So no, but I mean, but again, I mean, just any woman wearing heels is hard enough. And you can stand in the what? And they were tall heels, too. But she was also very talented. She was playing the guitar as well. Yep. And she played a few of her own songs that she's written over the time. She's written as well. And again, they're all they're all relevant to her journey, aren't they? Yep. You know what I mean? And she's been in the in the acts for 20 years or so, hasn't she? Yeah. That we know of her, you know what I mean? Um, and you know, she's she's now in a happy relationship with her fiance.
SPEAKER_01Um well she um she was catfish for six years as well. Which I didn't know. Yeah, I knew that. She'd like the thing is that she's had ups and downs, like she's come off idle, she's got catfish for those six years. She basically had been an Uber driver for part of the time. Yep. She's done everything to make money, yeah, right. Um, and then she's come back in. And when she sort of found like she talked about her early days at the School of Performing Arts at Newtown, um, and how people introduced her to musical theatre. But you kind of didn't know when we were watching her on Idol, you didn't know that kind of stuff. No. But then she's sort of gone away, lived her life, done all that, like I said, was an Uber driver, did all that kind of stuff, but then came back into musical theatre, and it's probably given her the career that she's actually got now, um, because she is constantly in something, right? Um, and and as a leading lady, um, like uh with Sister actually was the leading, the lead, um, but and Juliet, she was in there, like she's been in everything. She was in nine to five, which we've seen. Um, so she's done lots and lots and lots and lots. Yep. Um, but I was super impressed. I thought she was fantastic. I thoroughly enjoyed it. So good shout out to Vic for uh organizing that as well. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. And um and took my little sister along as well, and she thoroughly enjoyed herself as well. And I thoroughly enjoyed talking to her about your escapades as a young man and how you developed your need to buy. I'd gone to the bar. No, I'd gone to get coffee initially and you started talking about me, right? Which I wasn't there for obviously, so I don't know what that conversation was. But then I come back. Well, you'd gone to buy some merch, and I said I'd come back and I said, I'm going to get some merch. I'm gonna go and check out the merch, and you both all looked at each other and as it went, say, totally told you everything else, you know. And and so I walked away, and I've come back, and they've all laughing at at me at my expense, right? Um in a nice way. And they're talking about things that spontaneo spontaneo spontaneous acts and things that I've purchased in my life.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um, and look and I asked your sister, have you always been that way? And she laughed and said, Oh my god, if I could only tell you about these Easter eggs, and then I had to find out about these Easter eggs that might gone.
SPEAKER_01So I got sent when I was a young boy to go and purchase a pair of thongs, rubber thongs, right? Because we were going to the beach or something, flip flops if you're not from here, or I don't know what you call them, jandles if you're from New Zealand, whatever they're called, right? The ones that wear on your feet, not not at the crack of your ass, right? Yep. Um, I got sent to to the to the Mount Jew at markets, right, to purchase these. Which apparently were phenomenal at the time. They were fair so good, right? Um, but they also had this truck up there, right? It was Davo's truck, and he was an auctioneer. Not me. No, not this Davo. Um, it's it was Daivo's truck, and that just that name just came back to me. My god, the shit that I bought from him. Um probably still fucking got it somewhere in this house. Um, but probably still got the Easter eggs. But he was auctioning off these boxes of Easter eggs, right? And it was not just like a little box, it was like a big, big packing box full of Easter eggs, and I don't know how there might have been like 24 in there, and they were big Easter eggs. So that represented really good value to me, and I desperately needed them as soon he as soon as he put them up on the lot, and it was just like alright, we've got one of these. Oh, hang on a second, I've just found more. So we're all bidding, bidding, bidding, and he's gone, all right, stop the bid, right? And I think we paid like$12 or something for these Easter eggs, right? He says, Alright, who wants them? And like every bloody body person, pretty much in the freaking whole back of because this was off the back of a truck. I've been to those sort of things myself, yeah. It's super fun, yeah. And it was like on this dirt patch, and and like all these people got their hands up and he's going, all right, one for you, one for you, one for you. So we all walked away with this freaking huge box of Easter eggs, and I got home. Mum said, Where are your fucking thongs? So it's like, so, and I have not changed. Alright, I'd like to say I have. Well, you're buying better things than Easter eggs these days. Am I though? Well, look, we've still got Easter eggs there from last year.
SPEAKER_02I gotta do it, yeah. But what I'm saying is, in terms of what you're buying, you're buying more high-end stuff and stuff you still don't need.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that's what I I I did say. So your has given me a job that pays so well because my impulsiveness just goes to more expensive shit now instead. Yeah. Um, which is fine. Look, I I look you're living in pay my bills.
SPEAKER_02I mean, it's a good form of time. Well, it's a good form of what you call it. Um, you know, when you get that sort of dopamine effect. Oh, yeah. You know, when you get that rush, and it's a good thing that you have that because it's like rewarding yourself for your money you've earned.
SPEAKER_01Oh, I reward myself frequently. Yes, it does. Frequently, frequently, frequently. But yeah, so so yes, definitely it was um So that was fun. It was fun, it was definitely fun. Well, I think that's pretty much the week. That is the week that was, pretty much. And it was like, yeah, it was good, it was good to catch up with my sister as well. We was loving it. We always have always have fun too when we were together and she picked up. Yeah, yeah. She's never fucker listening. She's been warned not to. But but she did we actually had a funny conversation. I I will just pop this in here because she had um a little procedure, colonoscopy, and she said she said I had to drink all this crap and I had to be up at this time to clean it out. And she says, You you don't understand. And I said, Trust me, cleaning out is definitely what I understand. To do it every time before sex, she went, ah no, stop, stop, stop. So then I was going to explain the art of douching to her, but um, but I didn't, um, because she was ready to die and ready to kill me. So it was quite fun. Yeah, but yeah, it was really cool. It was really cool. But yeah, so yeah, Dave, you brought a topic to the table that you wanted to talk about.
SPEAKER_02I did. Well, it was basically because of you going to work early and stuff, and you were saying you're gonna go to the gym, and you know, and I think because of you talking to me and my phone was around, my things started coming up with like gym stuff, and I was like, Oh, maybe because you got skinnier, and maybe want you to work out as well. Anyway, but um, but yeah, so obviously gym-related stuff started coming up, and then I got this message from a YouTube clip, and it was basically about ancient Greeks and gymnasiums. Okay, and then I sent you the link and said, have a listen to this, but it's obviously a two-hour session, so we didn't. We sat down.
SPEAKER_01I didn't know it was two hours. I sat down and I put it on and I started listening to it, and the guy that was reading it was very monotone, very, very monotone, and I'm sitting there and going, Oh buddy, you're not hooking me, that's for sure, right? And then I just paused it because I thought, how long is this fucking thing gonna go? Am I gonna have a nap or not? And I looked and I said, It's an hour and 58 minutes to go. We've been two minutes into this. So I went, This is two hours, Dave, and he went, Yeah. And I went, I'm not fucking listening to this guy talk for two hours. So then I got onto Chat GBT and I asked it a little bit about the gay history um in relates to gyms and gay culture. Um, so what'd I ask it? I asked something about gym, gay culture, um and the history of it all, sort of thing. Yeah, but but you do have a bit of history on it, right? Now I I will I will stop you if it gets a bit more than a bit.
SPEAKER_02But I will um I'll try and keep it brief as best I can. But obviously, you know, I've got to try and explain the background. So So we're going way back. Yes, we're talking about.
SPEAKER_01We'll start this off, we're going way back to ancient Greece, which is like 450 BC apparently, 2500 years ago. So Dave was actually around then.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so the word gymnasia, which actually comes from the word Greek, right? It actually means new.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02So basically, people that went to the gym were naked. Yeah. Which got my attention straight away. Obviously. I wonder you didn't type that into Twitter. So yeah, so it basically says that uh contact is basically nudity and pre- uh sorry, pea du rascity, right? Which basically means older males. Yep. All right, so that's not what that word means, right? So basically, technically it means gymnasiums were essentially a breeding ground for homoerotic impulses where naked men and adolescent youths exercised, socialise, and worked out together. So pretty much like it is today. Yeah. But with the clothes on. So it hasn't changed in that regard, but obviously the clothing is sort of like really disappointing. So with regards to the actual structure of the uh sorry, the p. It was basically the dominant form of the homoeroticism where relationships between older men, which were referred to as herastes, and the adolescent youth were referred to as erominous, uh, where the older men acted as mentors, educators, and protectors, while the adolescent youths provided the beauty and the promo uh promise of youthfulness. So there you go. So as it is today, you know, you get a lot of younger people in the gym that are body conscious, love to show their sort of like their their physique and their beautiness. So things haven't changed a lot in that response. So things haven't changed now. Not really, no.
SPEAKER_01We apologise to any Greeks listening for butchering all those words. Um I tried I tried to write it down. He has written them phonetically, phonetically, um, so that we we can not butcher them as well. But um there was like I think there is a bit of and it hasn't changed. Let's say it's athleticism celebrating the human body, but it's also look at him, how he's bigger than me, all that kind of stuff, energy going on. Uh, the admiration, the mutual admiration of the male body was normalized, and it wasn't hidden, not coded, it was just part of life. So, like, really the first gym culture was already spread a little bit gay, Jason. Well, I would say so, yeah, for sure. Yep, so yeah, and then when we fast forward, have you have you finished your history lesson then?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that little bit. Anyway, I mean we that's that's the main thing, anyway. I wanted to say, you know what I mean? I mean, I could go into a lot more about the the ritual. Two hours worth more. Yeah, about the ritual of like, you know, the link between socialism um and also military side of things as well. I mean, obviously, the gym wasn't just a place where people went to work out, they went there to discuss things. Um, Socrates was a fanatic of person that went there to study males in their form. Yep. And then obviously you had people like um sculptors that eventually studied the male forms and became there and this is why you got so many Greek statues that are so famous because it it epitomised the actual male beauty. Yeah. So, you know, in terms of where the we are now in society where people go and do bodybuilding and stuff like that, I mean, this is where it all stemmed from. It all came back from the Greek, yeah. But but I don't know where we lost the ability to wear clothes. Well, I think that was society that lost the ability not to wear clothes, should I say?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. But the thing is that, and I guess the homoeroticism, homoeroticism uh homoeroticism, that's a word, yep. Those that happened back then because everyone was naked and everyone was admiring. But it was actually quite normal to take a male lover and to actually male lovers in there. So it wasn't actually undone and well I will make a little bit of the actual um the the YouTube clip that we watched, they were talking about how rubbing olive oil all over your body when you got there was part of the actual the routine because you'd roll around in the sand and stuff like that. Yep. Um but then at the end of it there was like a metal scrape thing that somebody else would scrape all the olive oil and the sand off your body, which sounded fucking hot to me. I well, yeah, but it's almost like a purification clip. Yeah, well it was it was it was like uh yeah, the um exfoliation, yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_02So you can imagine getting that metal scraper and rubbing it up somebody's shaft and but the Greco wrestling, which is a Greek wrestling, is still using the oil where they have they they cover each other completely in oil and they have obviously those leather pants things around and they have their hands down, they're grabbing everywhere, you know what I mean, which I think is awesome. Yeah, I know, I know but also because you're talking about the militarisation of everything as well and the link between homo eroticism, yeah. Yep, you've obviously heard about the sacred band of thieves. You must have heard of that coffee. No, it's a well-known thing. So basically, this this this this was like the Spartans, you know, when you're 300 and all that lot, you know? Yep. So basically had a a a sacred band of thieves, which was the ultimate like um elite unit, and it was formed of 150 pairs of lovers, which were viewed as unbeatable because of their bond between themselves.
SPEAKER_01Well, that's it. If you go to warf to fight for somebody that you're spinning your cock in, um you're gonna want to save them.
SPEAKER_02Well, that's exactly right. So the link between having that closeness between your own people made them a better army. Yeah, correct.
SPEAKER_01So that's so I get I 100% get that. And that's and that's I said, look, I I definitely had a few Greeks in my time, and um Yeah, and and yeah, so like I I So obviously because you go to the gym, yeah.
SPEAKER_02I do, you know. So what's your take? I mean, there's obviously a lot of things that happen in the gym. You know that there's things that go on in the shower rooms, there's the saunas. So do you think that we are still relevant to pre-historic, not historic, but pre-times where the ancients were sort of like doing the same things?
SPEAKER_01So I guess if we go back through, and let me let me take it back to I guess oh, I want to go 80s. I'm gonna skip all those 70s and stuff like that. Right. So we talk about 80s, right, and the age crisis, right? Um, where people started looking unhealthy and stuff like that. People were going to the gym then, and this is where it became really big for the gay community, right? Because people were wanting to go to the gym to look healthy, right? To look fit. Because if you were healthy looking, it means that you didn't have age or HIV, all right. So therefore you were okay to sleep with still, right? So this is where a lot of the drive became get that look, get that it was almost like the I need to copy and paste, right? What the the beautiful mustached muscular men. It was mass, it was masking their identities as a as a well person, I suppose. Yeah, yeah, they were they were just showing from their exterior that I'm fit, I'm well, I'm healthy to have sex with, basically. I'm a I'm a specimen. As we know, a male form like that is so desirable and it's so attractive. We all wanna we all want to fuck the hot guy at the gym, right? Like, you know, and and I don't care what subculture you're from, whether you're a a bear, a twink or whatever, we all see a beautiful male form, right? Even if you're a woman, yeah, you see a beautiful male form and you go, wow, that's impressive, that's healthy, that looks good, right? Um we see a beautiful female form that looks fit and healthy. Absolutely. I'm not talking skinny or scrawny, right? I'm talking fit, healthy, sexy, some curves and all that kind of stuff. Yeah. And we all go, wow, that's like so a fit body is a sexy looking body, right? Absolutely. So from like the 80s, like I said, the AIDS crisis, because if the disease got you, you looked horrible. Well you died. You yeah, but you looked horrible as a result. Yeah, so that was almost like a peacocking of of what looks good looks like and masculinity and stuff like that. So so yeah, but then we take it to now, yep, and um being healthy, being fit, and coming from somebody that was 40 kilos heavier, right? And it's an ego boost, isn't it? You start looking better, yeah, you get a lot more attention. Yeah, I can tell you that for a fact, right? Um, even now, because I'm sort of six years on from a gastric sleeve surgery and I'm very well at the back of that surgery though.
SPEAKER_02Well, you had a photograph that appeared on your timeline, or was it Biggs timeline? Yeah, on your yeah, and he showed it. And you uh this only six years ago, whether nine years ago was it? Nine years ago, that one was. And I didn't even recognise you, your sister didn't recognize you. You were massive, yeah, yeah. But the same person, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, well no, it's still the same cunt that I was, yeah. That's what I say. Yep. Um but yeah. You were just a bigger one, then bigger cunt then. No, a fatter cunt, but still the same big cunt. But yeah, um, but um, like I found that once I'd just had the surgery and I was going to CrossFit six days a week, um, sometimes twice a day, um, and I was super fit, super lean, super everything.
SPEAKER_02You were also unwell though, weren't you?
SPEAKER_01Because you were emaciated, you were sort of I wasn't emaciated, I was just really working out too much, right? Yeah, but so my body looked fucking phenomenal. This is it. I looked not healthy in the face, yeah, but the amount of offers that I was getting, right? Now I was in a relationship at the time, so I didn't take any of them, right? But the amount of offers that I was getting was ridiculous. Yeah, right, because of how I looked. Right. It's very much an ego boost, right? Um, and again, when I did separate, I was still fairly healthy and fairly fit and stuff like that. I was going to the gym frequently and I was still. Yeah. Not as frequent as I want to.
SPEAKER_02No, but what I'm saying is you're, you know.
SPEAKER_01But I'm probably a little bit less of I'm still the right weight.
SPEAKER_02You're still fitting into size 30 short.
SPEAKER_01I'm still I'm still the right weight, but there's just some things that need to be moved to where they're supposed to be. But that that happens. But that's older. That's all right. Go fuck yourself.
SPEAKER_02I'm 53. You're 50 fucking four. I'm 56 is sure. You're you're gonna be.
SPEAKER_01I think you're wrong.
SPEAKER_02You're born 96.
SPEAKER_01Anyway, I think math out. I'm 35. Yeah. I don't do math, I'm not Asian. You're born in 71 and it's 2006. Stop telling me 2026. That's a lie. That's a lie. So do the math, everyone. But he's 53, not gyms. Yeah, look, they are there because we want to look good, we want to feel good. It's definitely about feeling good, right? Because I know when I haven't been for a long time, I start to feel tired, I start to feel unhealthy, I start to feel shit, right? Um, so it is definitely about feeling better. But feeling better, looking better, getting that attention makes you feel better.
SPEAKER_02So, where where do you think the the straight community sort of like looked at the gay community and saw the well, you know, the actual look that they were producing? And that they became like competition was there.
SPEAKER_01I don't think it's it's been a a straight following the trend from a gym's perspective because there's as men have been men for a million years, right? And um they've always wanted to have that healthy physique, and it hasn't been necessarily about um the gay guys doing it. Now we just we do it better because like again, um it just is what it is. Well the thing is that if if you look at our age brackets, right? Um, for example, and if you take a handful of people that aren't in the gay community, right, and a lot of those men that are our age, they're not healthy looking. Right? So we do actually have a better and not everyone, because better outlook on your life, yeah. But no, we have we have we pay more care to ourselves, and there is definitely some fifty plus year old straight men that are amazing. Absolutely. Um right, so I'm not saying it's all, and it's the same. There's some 50 plus gay men that are and women pigs. Um excuse me. Um no, they're not healthy, okay? They're not they're not your healthy body type, they might still be healthy, yeah. Um, but they're the people that just don't take care of themselves across every every age bracket, every genre, every nationality, and stuff like that as well. Yeah, um, but I think from the context of this podcast, the healthy fit going to the gym, um, it is pretty prevalent in the gay community. Um, like it is sort of especially in certain circles, if you're part of the club scene and stuff like that, yeah, you're definitely more inclined to. So your typical day at the gym or morning, evening, afternoon, whatever it would be.
SPEAKER_02Depends. I mean, what what's the structure do you normally do? Do you normally go in and work out and then take a shower and recoup and then go back do more, or is it no, okay?
SPEAKER_01I don't know. So I I go in there with a so I am not one of these people that likes working out with other people. There are some people that love a gym buddy, right? I can't, I cannot, because I'm there for my purpose and my gym workout, right? So I will walk into the gym, right, throw my shit into the locker, um, take my gym towel with me, which is good gym etiquette to have your own towel with you at all times, right? Um I'll go over, I know what what my routine is, right? So I'll go over and I'll do my routine, right? Umce I've done all that, um, I'll then go to the showers, lockers. I'll basically derobe because that's what you do. I like to get naked, right? I like my cock cast. Gyms are supposed to be naked. Exactly. Right. Um, but then I will go and have a quick shower, right? Then usually you head around to the steam sauna, um, maybe do a couple of laps in the pool if I'm at a gym with a pool. So do most gyms have these facilities? A lot of gyms do, especially the fitness first in Sydney, um, or or have either a sauna or a steam room or something like that.
SPEAKER_02So, what's your preferred time of day? Do you normally prefer morning, afternoon, evening time? Okay. Morning.
SPEAKER_01Come in the afternoon, I'm a bit tired. Right. Right. So I'll get like a bit of the way through the workout, and if there's a lot of people around, I go, oh fuck it. So I really don't feel like I've done all of my exercises, and that now I don't do I'm not there for like hours and hours and hours. I'm in and out within probably about uh 45 minutes maximum an hour. Um like from the exercise perspective, right? Um, because I'll just do like three or four sets depending on how strong or how how lazy I'm feeling and stuff like that, of of about probably about between six to eight different exercises. Okay, yeah. Um right. Um I tend not to do cardio because I don't want to drop too much weight, yeah. Um, because that loses muscle mass for me. Yeah, I prefer just to do weights and resistance training. Um I also don't do a lot in the legs department because again, my legs are pretty good as it is. I just like to shape up my shoulders and my chest and my stomach and all that kind of stuff so that that way I've got a bit of a V looking. So when I'm in clothes, I at least look better. Well, speedoes I fluff up that a bit as well. So then I'll go and have my quick shower on my steam, my sauna, and and then I'm generally done for the day. Unless unless there's some cruisy action that happens in the sauna. So what's the sort of demographics of people that go in your time? Is it older younger? So in the morning it's really varied. Um so I there will be a good fairly yeah, it's really varied. Okay. Um there'll be the work, the professional types that are going. Businessmen, yeah. Yeah, businessmen and stuff like that. Um generally corporate, corporate and stuff like that. Again, because I also work in a city, right? Yep, and there's a lot of those kind of city suits.
SPEAKER_02Do you find it egotistical then? I think are they very much like, you know, trying to prove that the main thing is.
SPEAKER_01No, no, not in that time frame and not in like not in fitness first. Like there are definitely gyms that I've been to in the past. When I was living in Granville, I walked into a gym there, and I got told by somebody, that's my machine. Oh, really? Right? And I was fucking scared. I kind of went, What the hell is going on here? Right? And it was a scary place because and somebody else said to me, Don't don't do it, don't even push the boundary. Because he's like fucking nuts, he's a steroid nut job that starts throwing things around, including people. Okay. Um, so there are some scary places and scary gyms around. Um fitness first isn't one of those places in general, they're pretty good. Yep. Um but again, um So going back to the cruisy side of things. So okay. Yeah, Dave wants a good dirt. Um so again, so you'll generally shower. Shower, right? You go to the sauna and stuff like that. Sometimes you'll lock eyes with someone in the change rooms. Are these open showers or closed showers? Well, again, depending on the gym you're going to and stuff like that. Okay. Most of the time now they're closed showers. They've got their own cubicles. There is, I'm and I'm trying to think when the last time I went was a. Well, you said there were one time you the doors are open to each other, aren't they? Oh, so the doors are doors are often open or ajar, right? And that's generally a signal that we're wanting to look at each other and potentially cruise, right? Right, yeah. Um, so that is generally that kind of signal. Um, and then you'll have a bit of a sneak. And if they've had a sneak and look at you as well and they decide they're not what you're after, the door will shut real quick. Okay. All right. And it's like, okay, alright. So do people come across to your shower or is that not like Well, yeah, that has happened. Okay. That has happened. Um, and you sort of do what you do.
SPEAKER_02So, how do you go about if like other people come into the shower room and you two are engaging in something? Do you obviously doors close? The doors closed. But obviously, you're gonna be making noises.
SPEAKER_01No, no, you try and keep it quiet. Right, okay. Right. You try and you you don't want to draw a chance to do it.
SPEAKER_02Do you take in turn and drop in the soap or how's it work that way?
SPEAKER_01I don't I think I've only ever fucked somebody once in the showers. Okay. Right. Um, but again, it was like I think it was fairly late. Okay. Right. Um, like, and there was literally no one even in the gym at all.
SPEAKER_02It's mainly making out an all sex person.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, just a bit of or all bit of sort of making out a bit and yeah, sucking dick here and there and all that kind of stuff. Yep. Um, but I think uh literally I've only ever fucked somebody once the whole time I've been at the gyms, because again, you generally don't have douches and all that kind of stuff. Like I've been in the in the shower area when somebody was getting fucked. But are these people that you're hook you're sort of like hooking up with, I suppose, are they gay, straight, or well, column A, column B, there's not a lot of conversation that happens either. Okay. Right. So the thing is that I've been, like I said, I I go to the same gym, the same gym, most of the time, um, roughly the same time, because I get off the off the train the same time. So I'll see the same people there, right? And there's a couple of guys that you then know that you might have had a little bit of a play with or just sort of like jerked yourself off and watched each other jerk off or something like that. Um because again, it is a risk factor to it as well. Also it's upset. Right. So you you don't want to get caught because then you're gonna get booted from the gym as well. But also you know, you see embarrassment of it all, isn't it, really? Oh, wasn't that but um there's a certain and I guess there's a certain time frame when you're So I take it they're all the the actual saunas and stuff, they're all male only. No, no, no, no, no, no. Okay, so that that's again where you've got to be very careful and very discreet. Discreet and covert. Like and some people aren't, and that's what you say to them, hey, easy tiger, like relax a little bit and stuff like that. But this is also where apps like Squirt come into play, right? Because they're listed a lot of the gyms, and you might say, Um, like you know, I'm gonna be here in An hour, gonna be there in an hour, stuff like that. So, um, so that will come into play, or or you'll have a look on there and you'll go, Oh, someone's gonna be there. Oh, he looks alright. Yep, cool. See you there, um, and away you go. Um, but also grinder happens a lot in the gyms and stuff like that. I've heard it going off, or yeah, you'll hear it going off, or you'll just see the same person, you'll see somebody next to you, and you go, ah, sure I'd just seen your orso. Yeah. Um because nobody has faces. I recognise that tattoo. I recognise that tattoo as well. But then there is also like other people that you see there. Like a couple of weeks ago, I think I told you I got really excited because I thought I'd seen um Joshua Fox there. Because I walked in to the change room, a guy was there drying off, and he had this fucking massively long cock, um, which Joshua Fox is notorious for. He's a he's a radio person. He's a radio guy guy who they used to talk about all the time how big his cock was. Yep. Right. English guy. English guy, and um heavily tattooed and stuff like that. But for the life of me, I didn't want to look away from him because that was a very good-looking dick, um, and he was a good looking guy. But I sat there and I thought to myself, I need to commit some of these photos, like this, these tattoos to memory, yeah, so I can go back and check his Instagram to see whether that was actually him or not, because I wasn't close enough and I didn't want to go and stand right beside. Yeah. I definitely didn't want to go and say, Hey, are you Josh Fox?
SPEAKER_02So was he jerking off or was he just? No, no, he was just changing he was just drying off.
SPEAKER_01Right? He was just drying off and getting ready to go, like as he'd already been for his workout and God knows what. Um if he was jerking off, well then I would have definitely given him a hand with it. Um definitely. Um, although I'm not equipped to handle that kind of massive machinery. Wow. Um but you are but you are you are um but yeah, but um so lots of cruising happens at the gyms. Um have you ever gone there to work out and never worked out because you hooked up straight away? Oh yeah, I have gone there like very occasionally. I've walked into the locker rooms and I've seen someone and I went, and they've been sort of derbing to go into the showers, and I went, Okay, I'm not missing this opportunity because like they were fucking stunning or something like that, and yeah, and and you could tell that they were kinda up for it because you you get a vibe. So it's a bit like you go to the toilet. So you kind of went, mm, okay, I will just forget the workout and I'll jump straight in on the shower and you see it. So I have done that before as well, so yeah. But um, but yeah, lots of lots of fun stuff has happened in in gyms over my period of time. So um, yeah, but yeah, then there's been like I said, from going frequently, there's been a couple of regulars where you sit there and go, yeah, okay, I'll give him a jerk and uh stuff like that. And and then there's some where you sit there and think, not interested, they'll be like the same ones that are there and they've checked you out a hundred times. And you said, okay, I didn't say yes the first 99. Why would I say now? Yeah. Yes now. So um, but yeah, that's cool. Yeah, so gyms, um gyms, gyms, gyms. So so how about you, Dave? Have you ever been to a gym? Yeah, I've been to a gym. Have you?
SPEAKER_02Well, I used to go when I had my surgery and stuff, I used to go there for the visual side of things and you know to help me sort of like keep as best I could, because obviously walking was a problem for me. So using the treadmill was the easiest form for me to try and stay on a level path, but at a pace that I could make myself work. Yep. Um, but you know, then I would go into the pool and then I'd go into the spa bit because obviously with the with the steam and the heat and stuff, it relaxed my my back muscles and stuff like that. So look, I mean I haven't been for a long time because obviously when COVID hit, I was paying, I was well, fuck you.
SPEAKER_01I'm joking. Wow, you've got a great body. You've even got abs.
SPEAKER_02I wouldn't say that.
SPEAKER_01You've got abs. I haven't got abs. Well, you've got fucking stomach muscles. Yeah, well I've got stomach muscles, but yeah.
SPEAKER_02But anyway, yeah, so I haven't been since COVID because obviously I was paying dead money for something I couldn't use. Yep. Did you schedule that membership? I did. Oh, unlucky grinder. No, exactly right. And even though I don't use it, but yeah. Anyway, um yeah, so for me, like I haven't gone there, and obviously, you know, I did put a bit of weight on, but obviously I've lost that bit of weight now. Did you ever hook up at the gym with anyone? Not really. I used to perving people in the showers because when I first started going, the showers were all open plan. Okay. And then they changed them, you know, to being cubicle, and it was like a fucking disastrous. Yeah, exactly right, yeah.
SPEAKER_01What gym did you go to?
SPEAKER_02Uh that was the one at Windsor, the oasis, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Oh, the uh yeah, I've been out there, I've cruised out there.
SPEAKER_02Like I said, it was mainly because the the the actual pool and area area was what I wanted to use more so and it was more hydrotherapy for me in that regard, but the gym was there, and I would go down there during the daytime, I'd go down there in the evening time as well. So it was like a bit of mixed um, you know, sort of like workouts for me. Um, in terms of hooking up, not really. I mean, obviously, when you're in the showers in the in the cubicle ones, you you can see on the floor because there's like a big gap on the floor. And you you can see the you know where the water falls on the floor, you can see the image of the person anyway. Yeah, correct. And you often see people just fucking jerking off in there, which is a bit of a turn on. Oh, massive turn on. So in terms of like actually hooking up with anybody, no, I never did it, you know, because obviously it was a family-oriented place.
SPEAKER_01You were pretty much still straight at the time as well, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Well, you weren't yeah, well, yeah. No, I was out, I was out then. Oh, you were? Okay. Yeah, I was out then, but obviously, you know, I was still discreet out, you know what I mean. Okay, all right. Um like now you're raving home, oh yeah, exactly right. Look, I mean, if I if I got the chance to go to a gym, I probably would enjoy it, but it'd have to be it'd have to be an evening time thing for me. Yeah. Um as opposed to a morning one, but it's difficult because yours just I mean, I wouldn't want to go on my own. I I like going with people not to not to be a buddy, but I'd like to go down and do stuff and then uh you know and go for coffee afterwards and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, no, see, whereas I'm they get me to the gym on my own. But yeah, but yeah, all right. Um, so that's gym chat.
SPEAKER_02So whether you've um worked out or not, um, well I would say, would you think it would be healthy to be naked still?
SPEAKER_01I think I think that everyone should be naked, even females. I do too, right? Um, right, even as gross as their vaginas are.
SPEAKER_02Um what I'm saying is it's a good way of showing your body off what you actually do. Correct.
SPEAKER_01I look I but uh look, and given our experience at Naked Camp, right, as well, um I think it's healthy, right? I think it it helps drop the guard, it's actually good for everyone, right? It's yeah, it's like it you you actually end up feeling better. Yeah, you trace yourself. And look, and again, everyone's got a dick, right? So apart from females. Apart from females, right? Well, some think they have. Some definitely do have, um but yeah. Um but like everyone's got a dick if you're a man in a male change room, right? So don't be shy with it, right? Let let us all have a look. I'll let you have a look at mine. It's not that impressive. Um, it's okay, but it's not that impressive at times, um, unless it's sort of happy. Um so so just chill, relax, relax. But yeah.
SPEAKER_02Have you ever, just before you finish on this, have you ever been to like um what's the word, turned down and felt really bad by it? No, I don't give a fuck about rejection.
SPEAKER_01Okay. I'm not I'm not that precious. Guess what? There's 99 others at will. Very true. Right, so I'm I'm not, yeah, yeah, mate. I've I've also turned many people down. So so like if I think it's one of those situations. If you're not attracted to somebody, don't do it. Right?
SPEAKER_02Well, I think everybody should go at least once and try it out because I think the the benefits of being at the gym are good anyway. They are the the health benefits far outweigh the benefits of the money. As long as you don't go too far with your training and you make it uh something that obsession. Obsession, yeah. Because look, I mean, no, but there's there's there's there's there's some really bad sides.
SPEAKER_01Well, Miami used to, she was obsessed, yeah. Right, she was obsessed and she was just eating chicken and broccoli. That's what I'm saying, you know. And she was like way too thin, right? Yeah, now she needs to get her ass back there. Um I'm gonna be ass in trouble. I'm getting my bum in trouble. Um, no, I love my own mission's sexy and curvy. She's fucking hot. But yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um, but yeah, um, yeah, as long as the obsessive enough doesn't take over your life and you don't have any other life apart from the gym. Cool. Well, I think, you know, it's a healthy mode, you know what I mean, for sure.
SPEAKER_01Correct. So we've done all we need to do on the gym. So now let's go to this.
SPEAKER_00They're grumpy, they're gay, they've got something to say. From traffic cues to crook you, still bitching all the way. GAY, man, max my peeps!
SPEAKER_01Alright, Dave, you cranky old man. How many you got today? Well, I've got two and a half, I suppose. Two and a half. Two and a half. Alright, so you're gonna start?
SPEAKER_02Right, so today I had to go back to the other house. Yep. Because the shower had come off the wall and I had to go and sort of that. So blah, blah, blah. Yes, it does. But the way I normally go is on the lower road, which is the Castle Ray Road, takes you past Pond Eye and all the other lakes. Yeah. Well, I got as far as the roundabout that takes you onto that park. There was no signs anywhere to say the road was closed. You get to roundabout, and then there's all these barricades going around, and I'm like, what the fuck's going on? I thought maybe there'd be an incident because you can see further up there's another barricade. And I thought, oh, why'd they close the road off? And there was no no real reason for it to be blocked off. So they were then diverting people up to the northern road, which is a fucking way away, a lot further away in terms of where you want to go. So I thought, okay, I'll go, I'll have to go up that way because I've got no choice. And I thought I'd divert through Cranebrook because obviously I can get back onto Castleway Road, which I wanted. Well, do you think I'll get back on Castleway Road? Every single fucking opportunity was closed, right? And the reason being is because they had a bike ride on there, right? So they closed a fucking massive part of the main road, a dual carriageway, right? Just so push bikes could race up and down it in time form, right? And then they forced everybody else up onto the northern road, which then caused massive backlogs on the road, right?
SPEAKER_01So that might be what um because I did see friends of ours actually had their son doing some um what do you call it? He had some trials? Yeah, some like the catalon thingo or other. So maybe that was part of that.
SPEAKER_02Well, I've got no objection to people doing these things, but please have fucking signposts up in front of you. So because otherwise I would have gone straight to Northern Road, I would never come down that road in the first place. I would have gone the other route straight away and saved myself probably about half an hour of detour time. Yep. And the frustration of not being able to get on because there was no reason for it.
SPEAKER_01Correct.
SPEAKER_02And it was just like one block after I and I was like, what the fuck is actually going on? And you see, people just turn and people didn't know where they were meant to be going. Yeah, well, there's yeah, because our diversion was not diverted properly, so it was fucked up from the start. So that was my biggest peeve for today. Okay, all right. So sorry about that.
SPEAKER_01Don't be sorry about it. I get it. I 100% get getting diverted into fucking the wrong spot. So yeah, yeah. So I'm gonna keep it in gym theme today for my pet peeves. Woof, woof, right? So my pet peeves, or one of my pet peeves, and this actually happened to me, right, is unsolicited advice, right? Now, whether it be around your form, right, whether you're working out or something like that, I work out the way I want to work out, right? But this one that actually happened to me, I'd actually had a really bad back, and this happened a little while ago, right? And my back was fucking up so much that I couldn't get it to get right. So I actually went and I had some um dry needling, I'd had massage, I'd found everything. And somebody had suggested cupping, right? Now, for those that don't know what cupping is, they put the little glass cups on your back and with a vacuum sort of thing, and a little bit of a heat and all that kind of stuff. And it's meant to increase blood flow, isn't it? It increases blood flow and it's supposed to be good for you and stuff like that. Yep. So I was led to believe. Um and it leaves these giant black circles and welts all over you, right, where the cups have been. Um big bruises, basically. So some guy approached me and he says, Oh, I just need to tell you that that's really bad for you, what you've had done there. Um, it can cause cancer, it can cause this, it can cause. And he literally, like, I'm standing there in a towel at this point in time, right? Um drying off, and he's come up to give me this big health speech about like why I shouldn't have had cupping. Had no idea who he was, right? Um and like he didn't look like a picture of health, right? Um, so I'm not about to take advice from him anyway, right? Um and I I said to him, Oh, are you a doctor? And he went, No, I've just read a lot on this. And I went, Okay, cool, thank you. And just because I'm polite sometimes, um, sometimes, right, especially the strangers, yeah. But I'm sitting there and I'm thinking to myself, fuck off. Like unsolicited health advice, right? Or unsolicited advice in the gym is not needed nor warranted. So take your fucking advice, fuck off. And stop being excited. That was a few like I said, that was a while ago now, and at this stage I don't have back cancer or anything like that. So fuck off. So yeah, he was wrong as well. So yeah, if it wasn't safe, they wouldn't allow it. Doctors would have a bank down. That's what I'm saying. If it wasn't safe, there wouldn't be millions of places around the world to do it. Like it's been in Chinese medicine for millions of years, or for I don't know, as long as glass cups have been around. And these elite athletes wouldn't do it if they knew it was going to cause these issues and things. Yeah, like that's bullshit.
SPEAKER_02Correct. Yes. All right, so what else? So my next one is basically do you know when you go to a shop and you're looking for something and you want to buy a product that says it does this, it does that, and does everything else that you know it's meant to do, and that's the product that you think, okay, I'm buying it because it will give me the results I want. Yep. You get a home, you read the instructions, do everything it tells you, and then it doesn't fucking give you jack shit. You know what I mean? And you do not want to do what it says on the box. Exactly, you're right. You know, and you paid all this fucking extra money and it tells you this stuff, you think, okay, yeah, I'm paying a little bit more because it's telling me it's gonna go and do that. It's gonna do this, and then you get there and it does fuck all.
SPEAKER_01Yep. So what are we what are we talking about, Dave? What product? Well, like cleaning products, mainly. Yeah, cleaning products shit me because they all promise that they're gonna be no scrub, scrub free, blah blah blah. And I'm getting it because I'm a lazy fucking.
SPEAKER_02No, but it's not just that. It's like it says, oh, it's it's meant to you know, clean your fucking grout lines and all this fucking shit. You get it and then you scratch, you do everything it tells you to do, and you wash it down, and it's still fucking shit. And it's shit, yep. And you think you think, what the fuck is this I'm putting on there? It's probably just fucking sodium bicarbonates and stuff that you could have made yourself. So it's probably something you could have done with grandma's home remedy. Yeah, exactly right, you know. So that shits me up when you get all these products that don't meet their fucking target audience.
SPEAKER_01I do get that as well, and and I think a lot of customers feel that pain as well, because again, they're very clever, those those advert companies and marketing companies are very, very clever in getting you to buy shit, but yeah, yeah, so that's yeah. So I've got um this one. Can you read it? Again, yeah, I can. I can actually. Um, and again, gym related, right? It's when people leave their showers on after they walk out of the gym, yeah. Right, like well sawners as well, yeah. Right, leaving the shower on, right? And it shits me to tears. I think to myself, peep water's not cheap. Water's really expensive, right? Um, and in some countries it's virtually not even available, right? And you just walked away knowing well that you've just finished your shower, you're not going back, you have no intention. Like you're walking away, you're drying off, and it's like somebody else, and I think to myself, well, have you had somebody turn your shower off the whole time you've been alive or what? Like, like, because it's just like I guarantee they wouldn't do it at home. 100%. And uh I think to myself, you're a fucking asshole, right? So okay, the girls have obviously spotted somebody they didn't like. From the back, yeah, from the back, but they're gonna run to the front door, so they're yelling at someone. Um, but yeah, they or they agree with me, they don't like people to leave the showers on. Same sort of thing. Same don't think so. You wouldn't know because you've got the headphones on. Janelle blinding. Um, but um um, so yeah, I hate that. And also when people do it with the um come here, Fatty. Come here. I'm here. Oh, they won't gotta go and check. No, yeah, you keep talking. I mean you give me one second.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so uh I think Matt's a little bit obsessed with his gym stuff, to be honest with him, just talking about that. No, I mean at the end of the day, he's doing good, he's doing really good. Blondie! Oh, that's why he's got the front door open, that's why you've probably seen people walking past. Oh well, he's just closing that now. He's coming back. Come on. Oh, that dog. Oh, that dog, yeah, he's got a dog that lives across the road that just comes. Look, he's a lovely dog, but he just jumps up and bites anybody.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, he's very toothy. He is. Um, so I don't let them go anywhere near him because he's he is sweet enough. But not in terms of like his social media. But but yeah, he's got bad social skills. His dad looked alright, actually. I think he was fairly hot, but yeah. Um, so yeah, and I also don't like people leaving the taps on when they walk out of a bathroom as well, because I think to myself, there's not automatic taps in every bathroom. Yeah, so that's my other one. Have you got any more? Or's your half one?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I have got one, it's just basically the whole country at the moment is just so fucked up with fucking interest rates and everything else. And you know, I just don't think that I know this is a little bit political, and you don't go political, I get that. But with the Royal Bank of Australia and their way of dealing with the interest rates and everything else, trying to curb it, they've got a an innate opportunity to sort of like always put interest rates up, which only affects the people with mortgages, yeah. So, therefore, the economy is not really driven by mortgage people only, it's driven by everybody's spending. So there's only probably about a third of the population in the country that actually are mortgage owners. Yeah, everybody else is like free to spend whatever they want, and they're contributing and spending more and more and more, which is increasing. Correct, but it doesn't seem fair, no, and then then rates go up, houses go up, and rent goes up, and everything else goes up, but they're not targeting rather than the government just saying, Okay, we're gonna tax everybody, we do we increase the taxation GST to 15%, which would cover everybody, yeah, then that way it makes it fairer. But for some reason, the RBA don't give a fucking shit, they just fucking want to target everybody with a mortgage.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, with a mortgage, and that's and the thing is that then also like like businesses pass on the cost and and it's a never-ending cycle. If the government said, like we're gonna increase GST on everything across the board, everybody pays the same, everybody pays the same, right? Then retailers wouldn't be copying flack for increasing prices because we have to. Um, like it wouldn't just be targeted offences. So yeah, I get I get that as well. So it is a bit of a P for me, you know what I mean? Yeah. So my last one is again gym related, right? Of course, and it is about guys wearing towels in the change rooms, right? You've been for a workout, right? You've showered, you've gone to all that effort, right? You've just dry off naked. Get your dick out, right? It it annoys the shit out of me. The amount of trouble, right, that you can go to to cover up in a men's space, a men only space, right? We don't care. I don't care if your dick's enormous, I don't care if it's huge, I don't care if it's tiny. I like to look at them, right? But I'm not gonna sit there and ogle them, right? It takes you more time. Like I was there I think a week ago or a week and a half ago, and some guy, the the length he was gone to, he'd like bent over, but he had the towel wrapped around the back of him, but he had the towel in his mouth, so it was like a tent sort of situation.
SPEAKER_02So not like you do in public spaces on the beach where you cover up because you have no choice.
SPEAKER_01Yes, correct. But he was like we're in it took him longer, right? Significantly longer, because he put the towel in both corners of his mouth, right? He was sort of facing down, making sure that everything was covered. I'm thinking if you're really that stressed, just go into the toilet and get changed, right? If you're really that stressed about it, um, like, but like just get your cock out, right? It doesn't matter. Or, I don't know, turn around so people can't see your cock and see your ass. Who cares? Again, everyone's got everyone has one of those, right? Every man and every woman has an asshole. I get it, I get it. Yeah, for sure. Um you're in a change of room. So it it annoys me. I think to myself, it's 2026. We've all got beautiful bodies. Um, whether they're big, round, small, flat, fat, skinny, whatever, they're all beautiful bodies. All bodies are beautiful. Um, so just get naked. Get naked. Get naked. I want to do it. Do as the Greeks did and get nude. Get naked, get taking it all the way back to the beginning of this when we all get naked and get our dicks out. But yeah, all right. Um, I think that's pretty much it for today. I think so, yeah, definitely. All right, well, I've been Matt. And I'm Dave, as always. As always, and um, we hope you've had a good day.
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