Ep 15 - Somatic Healing: Transforming Healthcare Wellness with Pamela Morgan

What happens when traditional talk therapy falls short? Join us as we explore this question with Pamela Morgan, a dedicated somatic psychotherapist who has transformed the mental health landscape for healthcare providers. With a background enriched by her grandfather's acts of kindness and her extensive education at the University of Connecticut and Berry University, Pamela offers a unique perspective on the immense stress that healthcare professionals endure. Discover how her early life experiences culminated in a career committed to emotional healing and community service.

In this eye-opening episode, Pamela walks us through the revolutionary principles of somatic psychotherapy, a body-centered approach that transcends the limitations of conventional methods. Through compelling case studies and personal anecdotes, Pamela explains how techniques like breath work, grounding exercises, and body postures can unlock emotions stored deep within. Hear the remarkable story of a fellow psychotherapist who experienced profound improvements in chronic health issues, illustrating just how impactful these practices can be.

We also dive into Pamela's holistic approach to wellness, particularly her work with medical professionals. She candidly discusses the challenges of engaging doctors in these transformative practices and shares her successes with chiropractors. Learn about the power of collective energy in group therapy, and be inspired by a touching success story of a participant who found significant relief from chronic pain. End your journey with us on a note of mutual appreciation and the promise of continued engagement, reflecting a shared commitment to advancing mental health in the healthcare sector.

Pamela Morgan
Pamela6Morgan@gmail.com
954-525-8088

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Transcript

Josh Fertel

00:04

Welcome to the Angry Biller, a show where we explore the people and the businesses behind the scenes of healthcare, those men and women that are the catalysts that allow providers to concentrate on delivering exceptional patient care. Welcome to the Angry Biller. My name is Josh Fratell. I am the president and owner of J3 Medical Billing. We are at the Visuals by Momo studio. The one thing that I've always liked to talk about on this show is the mental health of providers. Next to their business, their mental health is the most important thing. Actually, they probably go hand in hand. So I always enjoy when I see a different approach to helping the doctors and I'm very excited today I have Pamela Morgan. She's a somatic psychotherapist with us today. How are you doing, pamela? 

Pamela Morgan

00:58

I'm doing really well. Thank you for coming. Thank you for inviting me. 

Josh Fertel

01:01

I always say providers have a tough job right. They're supposed to be doing one thing taking care of their patients. It's got to be stressful. On top of that, they're running a business. Again, like any business owner, it's stressful. How are they taking care of, how is their mind and how do we help them? Before we get into all that, tell us about your beginnings. How did you get into what you do? 

Pamela Morgan

01:26

Well, I've always wanted to do what I'm doing. I mean, I never really wanted to do anything else. I went to school for it. Where did you go? I went to Undergraduate University of Connecticut. 

Josh Fertel

01:38

UConn. 

Pamela Morgan

01:39

Yep, UConn and majored in psychology, and then I came down here and got my master's in social work at Berry University. 

Josh Fertel

01:47

Right. 

Pamela Morgan

01:47

And my objective was always to end up working in my own practice. I did work for about 10 years at Henderson Mental Health Center here in Broward, which gave me an incredible amount of experience across the board, you know, dealing with schizophrenics and all kinds of major mental illness, as well as families, children, drug abuse, alcoholism. All of that and then I went into private practice. 

Josh Fertel

02:16

So before you went to school and you knew this is what you wanted to do, was there something that led you in this direction when you were younger? 

Pamela Morgan

02:24

You know, the only thing I can attribute it to is that my grandfather he was an immigrant, okay, and he came over here there's the american story, you know and with not really much, and created a couple businesses, and education was really important for him, right, you know, wanted me to go to, you know, to college and everything. But the one thing that he did at that time, which was obviously many years ago, is he would personally pick out some very poor families in the town he lived in and buy them full thanksgiving dinner and when I was there, you know, with the family, he'd take me along and he'd have, he'd have me handing out the food and to the families and everything, and he also did the same thing at christmas he'd have. 

03:05

He'd have me handing out the food and to the families and everything, and he also did the same thing at christmas he'd buy toys, for, you know, kids were in the orphanages and back in those days and he'd have me got pictures of me handing gifts to the kids and he, he just had this incredible big heart taking care of people um, at his own expense. And I think that was kind of what started me, like you know, really finding a way to really help people for sure, it's a wonderful influence. 

Josh Fertel

03:27

Yeah, yeah, and I could, I could see it, you're raised to be a giver yes, yes. 

Pamela Morgan

03:32

So when you say somatic psychotherapy, tell us what that is well, I when I first started out you know totally out of school and started practicing. You know learning how to do psychotherapy, Got it. You don't learn that in school. 

Josh Fertel

03:49

No. 

Pamela Morgan

03:50

You know, you're kind of thrown out there and you know I was like I was supervised and things like that. What do I do? How do I help people? How do I help them to deal with whatever it is they need to deal with, Right, and it's like, what do I say? How do you do that? And they said, well, talk to them about their feelings, let them just talk about their feelings. And so, you know, I try different things and kind of, you know, winging it, because I didn't really know and there was something about it that just didn't make sense to me. You know, there's like there's got to be something else. It's like there's something missing here, anything specific that you I just like it didn't make sense, that you know feelings are so, can be so intense, and there's such a wide range of our ability, the, the potential of feelings that we have, from like minor things to just, you know, being hysterical, you know it just overstressed the communicating of them yes, and what do you do with them? 

04:43

and somehow to me it didn't make sense that talking about it doesn't ever really get to those very powerful, deep, intense emotions. 

04:52

Okay, so I was looking for something okay and, um, it just so happened, I, in at the clinic where I was working at, there was a uh, a therapist that came in and started, you know, offering somatic psychotherapy, which is a very, very different way of working, completely different way of working, and it took me about a year before I actually tried it with him. I don't know, that's like really strange and really weird and really different. And so I finally tried it and it blew me away. 

Josh Fertel

05:23

You have to explain what it is because when I experienced it I didn't. 

Pamela Morgan

05:28

I was like in my late 20s, early 30s when I first, you know, got exposed to this, okay, and and when I experienced it, I realized I, even though I was a therapist and practicing now and stuff like that, I actually wasn't as fully in touch with my own feelings as I had suspected I might be. And I had this major emotional release with the techniques that he used, that were somatic-based techniques that he used, that I really had a very, very powerful emotional experience and I was shocked. I was literally shocked and realized, oh my gosh, it really the techniques that are used and I'll tell you a little bit about what they are that they actually begin to access what's being held in the body that you might not even be aware of, and even it does go to the point of the body does hold feelings and and you can actually develop physical symptoms because of the feelings that are stifled in the body I agree. 

06:34

so when you can begin to access them by these variety of techniques, you become aware, conscious of the feelings, you get to process them, you get to work with them, you get to release them, begin to integrate them and actually begin to make some conscious choices of how you want to make changes or deal with them or change your behavior. So it's very powerful. 

Josh Fertel

06:56

So if you can give me some examples of some of the things that you do, Okay, well, a lot of it starts with breath work. 

Pamela Morgan

07:04

Okay, Because so many of us don't really breathe as fully as we we should. We can't, and especially when stressed or anxious, the breathing gets very short and very shallow. Okay, so a lot of the work. The exercises are really opening up the breathing, breathing much more fully, much more more deeply. You know, lengthening the inhale, lengthening the exhale, and then starting just in a very simple way, just starting to develop awareness of, as you start with the breathing, what do you feel in your body? It usually starts with sensations. Again, it's a focus of attention that we most of the time don't even have. We're always thinking instead of checking in and feeling. So you start tuning into the sensation in the body and then connecting the sensation to, let's say, places of tension in the body. Okay, or, um, limited breathing starts to happen, or the body starts to move in a certain way, and then making a connection, okay, what feelings might that be? 

Josh Fertel

08:10

Right. 

Pamela Morgan

08:10

Okay. 

Josh Fertel

08:14

So that's a very basic way to start working with it. Do you have you know confidentially, of course a certain provider that came to you and you saw the results like right away? They came in, they sat down, or however? 

Pamela Morgan

08:30

one early case once I was, once I had started doing this, I took extra training and everything and went into my business yeah, and started actually using this a lot. 

08:40

Um was a another, was another psychotherapist, and she'd had chronic sore throats for years, okay, and was on Synthroid because she had a thyroid issue and so she was frequently sick and taking this and so I started working with her and, you know, doing breath work. It's a lot of movement, body postures Some of them look a little bit like yoga postures, but for a different purpose A lot of grounding exercises, a lot of actual eye exercises, because emotions can be held in the eyes as well. 

Josh Fertel

09:18

Dang. 

Pamela Morgan

09:20

And there's a lot of exercises to work with throat as well, so I did a lot of. It wasn't a quick thing. No, it doesn't sound like it was. But I worked with her for a while and one day she comes in and she says you know, I haven't gotten sick for a long time. 

Josh Fertel

09:36

Right. 

Pamela Morgan

09:36

And she said I decided I went to my doctor and I told him I want to get off the Synthroid and I said I don't think that's a good idea. 

Josh Fertel

09:44

Yeah, yeah. 

Pamela Morgan

09:44

And oh, because I'm not a medical doctor and I certainly didn't want to go against another doctor, Right? And she said, no, I'm doing it, I'm doing it, and she, okay she did and Her thyroid was cured. 

Josh Fertel

09:59

That's unbelievable. How do you, how do you diagnose which avenue to take when somebody comes in? Because you said sometimes it's in the eyes and sometimes it's in the throat. How do you figure that out? 

Pamela Morgan

10:12

Well, I have a particular exercise that I do with people. When I start with them, okay, and I do an evaluation, I watch how their body responds. In this particular, it's a standing position, okay, and deep, deep, full breaths, okay, and I just watch to see what moves, what doesn't move. You know, sometimes there's a lot of rigidity, sometimes people start to have certain pains somewhere. 

10:38

You know just starts to happen in the body spontaneously and unconsciously, and so I've done it long enough that I can go. Okay, something going on there, you know it's, you know got to explore that and I mean it's a mutual exploration, is what it is. I'll see some things and I'll point out some things that they may or may not be aware of. So if, like, there's something going on with the eyes, or you know they, you know they lose focus in their eyes or their eyes start going back and forth, there's all kinds of things that can happen, and so then we'll explore that. I might do some eye exercises with them, I might do some additional breath work, some energy work, movement, things like that. 

Josh Fertel

11:28

The original diagnosis comes from them, standing in front of you, taking deep breaths, yeah, yeah. 

Pamela Morgan

11:34

And the exercise has different movements that I have them do too. What are those? Well, it's a standing posture and you have an arched back, bent knees, and you're breathing, okay. And then at some point I have the person bending over. So they're bending over, like this, okay. 

11:52

And some people, you know, like, hold their head up, you know. So they're not letting their head drop, or they might be tensing up their arms, or their legs start to shake, all kinds of things, interesting things happen, and so I can tell where there's some holding, some rigidity in the body. That usually means there's energetically or emotional holding going on there Right, or tension in the back and pain in the back, which again is some energetic, emotional holding going on there, yeah. And so that's the way I diagnose. I don't diagnose like, okay, you have a bipolar disorder, you have a major depressive or anxiety. It's more like what are you holding, what's going on that you're not even aware of, that's blocked, or your energy is stuck and it's not flowing in the way that it needs to. Those are the things I look for and work with, and oftentimes, like I said, there can be physical issues that are going on there too. 

Josh Fertel

12:53

And you're able to see that. Yeah, yeah, I want to take a break here. Okay, we're going to take a few minutes, okay, and then we'll come back, and I want to ask you a couple more questions about physicians in general. Okay, suite Life Travel Tribe, part of Francine Suite's Cruise Planners, offers personalized travel services and specializes in group experiences, solo travelers, 55 plus communities, women's wellness, lgbtq, arts, business incentives and family reunions. Visit SuiteLifeTravelTribecom or call 954-945-1010 to start your journey. 954-945-1010 to start your journey. We're back with Pamela Morgan. We're really looking at different approaches to mental health and physical health. Pamela, let's talk about physicians in general. How do you best help them cope with the stresses that they have day to day? 

Pamela Morgan

13:49

help them cope with the stresses that they have day to day. Well, I haven't had the opportunity to work in this way with too many physicians. I've talked to them, you know, and I have found you know, I've had my own personal doctors and things as well doctors and things are so well as well but I have found that, because I have such a mind body approach to the way I work, um, that a lot of doctors haven't been so open to looking at things holistically, because the way I to work with somatic 100 you have, it's a holistic approach. Everything is connected. 

Josh Fertel

14:30

So the theme, you see, a recurrent theme when you're dealing with doctors, is that the communication and the openness isn't there Right, just like they would want with their patients. They're not doing what they prescribe to do. Yes, yes, yes. How do you get around that? How do you get? 

Pamela Morgan

14:47

around that I look for other doctors who are more open and have conversations with them. 

Josh Fertel

14:55

And. 

Pamela Morgan

14:56

I'm more likely to maybe get referrals from those doctors than them, actually, although I've had a couple of chiropractors come to me over the years. 

Josh Fertel

15:05

Sure, so they're much more open, much more seeing things holistically, you know it seems to me that that probably that makes a lot of sense to me as their whole field is you know physical and how you're feeling from physicality. So yeah, those seem to me those would be good clients for you, yes, yes. And so tell me how ongoing. So I come to you for you. You know they come to you for the initial consultation. How often do you see them? What? What's the how does the what's the progress look like? What you? 

Pamela Morgan

15:36

know it's. It's very individualized, okay. Um, usually, typically, I might see somebody once a week, but I've had people come in twice a week. I've had people come in, you know, every other week, or, you know, as things progress tends come in, you know, every other week, or you know, and as things progress tends to taper off, you know maybe every three weeks or four weeks, and and um, until things have reached a certain point, that is is feels like a sense of completion, right? Um, I also do things in group, you know I also have uh more like personal growth in group. 

16:11

You know, I also have, uh, more like personal growth, uh, weekend workshops. We're somatic based and do it as a group and the energy is much more powerful, sure, because you have the group energy, and so I mean it doesn't mean that there can't be, you know, therapeutic benefit right but it is more like self-discovery and personal growth, uh so how did, how did you start doing that? 

16:32

uh, that actually came about as part of the training that I did originally. They you know as individual, but they also did group work, which was was sort of very, very powerful right and um, so I started to do it on my own you know. 

Josh Fertel

16:46

So give us, give us an example of what a group session looks like on a weekend. 

Pamela Morgan

16:51

Well, I was doing it like on a Saturday and a Sunday all day. 

16:55

All right and there was usually different themes and there is all kinds of very using, a lot of somatic techniques, a lot of breath work and things like that, but also group activities. That again it all centered around what kind of activities Getting more connected into your body, getting more connected into how you're feeling, how you're handling your feelings, how you're making connection with other people. So a lot of awareness of body language and things that might come up. You know, when you're uncomfortable or not comfortable or more comfortable, how you feel and what do you do with that. So there's a lot of learning and awareness that comes out of that? 

Josh Fertel

17:38

Would I have to fall off a desk backwards and have somebody catch me? 

Pamela Morgan

17:41

Not quite that. 

Josh Fertel

17:42

I'm never doing that. I've done that, yeah, so you know you gave us a great example of a success story. On a personal one, give me a good success story that came out of your group therapy. 

Pamela Morgan

17:57

Oh, this was a good one. There was a woman and just when I work with the body, you know, semantically, you may be familiar with the chakras, right? I'm not Okay. Well, julieta knows the chakras. You know, our friend Julieta, our friend Julieta. Yeah, no-transcript. So it was kind of a movement and it was a whole exercise of moving the pelvis in various ways for the whole group and everybody's laying down Right and doing this laying down and doing this movement and back and forth and so on and so forth. 

18:53

I get it and there was a woman who was having very serious back problems, a lot of pain. She was doing it. I mean, she hadn't told me that she was in a lot of pain, right, but she was doing it, but she was doing it. And by the end of the workshop she said she was pain, but she was doing it. And by the end of the workshop she said she was pain-free, totally, completely pain-free, that she'd been to the chiropractor, she'd been on pain medication and and she felt completely different. 

Josh Fertel

19:22

Now why do you think that is so? 

Pamela Morgan

19:24

she went on payment because she went to the chiropractor at no release release, but here, okay, now this was the last day of the workshop, so she'd had basically a day and a half. So working in this high energy environment, a lot of breath work, a lot of movement, a lot of connection, a lot of support. And this particular exercise was, again, there's a lot of energy, a lot of breath work, so it was opening up the flow of energy and loosening the tension in the pelvis. 

Josh Fertel

19:55

Yeah, so the culmination of the entire weekend brought her to the point where she was feeling better. 

Pamela Morgan

20:03

Yes, yes, yes, and left pain-free. 

Josh Fertel

20:08

How many patients do you usually have come on these retreats? 

Pamela Morgan

20:14

10 is the lowest usually, and then 14 would be the highest. 

Josh Fertel

20:18

And is it usually single people or couples? I've done a couples-themed workshop, all right, so let's talk about that. What's the difference between a couples workshop and a single? 

Pamela Morgan

20:27

Well, I work with couples, Okay, semantically as well, okay, and one thing I do that's different with couples is because there's an energetic communication that's going on between, well, in a very close relationship with, you know, partners, okay, and you know people start to respond to that and it's all unconscious, right, you know people start to respond to that and it's all unconscious, but then you know you get set up into disagreements or, uh, you know miscommunication, things like that, and just part of it is really beginning to teach that you know the non-verbal body language and feeling the energy. I've created some exercises literally to practice picking up the energy of your partner without using words or sounds. 

Josh Fertel

21:13

So we're going to expand on this, okay? So you know, to me the layman, you know you're having an issue with your spouse and it's all verbal. Right, it's all verbal. You know, maybe you slam the door, but generally it's going to be all verbal. Right, it's all verbal. Maybe you slam the door, but generally it's going to be all verbal. Whatever discussion you have and you're going to tell me that it's not right, it's not Just verbal. 

Pamela Morgan

21:36

It's not just verbal, right? 

Josh Fertel

21:38

So I really do. I want to hear what cues you pick up, the things that you see and how you fix them. 

Pamela Morgan

21:46

Yeah, so I have people start paying attention to body language. So I stop people from this he said, she said, or he said, he said whatever, and I start having them. You know, like facing each other and just like one will be. Just you're just going to be looking at each other and breathing and the other one is just going to start to observe. Okay, I see you put your finger on your eye just now. I saw you run your finger across your upper lip. 

22:16

Right, I see you shaking your head and without making any interpretations of what you're seeing, Okay. But just begin to observe what the other person's body is doing, and then afterwards I might have them say, okay, so what did that suggest to you? What did it suggest that your partner was feeling while the movement was going on? And so begin to speak that, and then the partner may say, well, no, I wasn't really feeling that at all. Oh, yeah, you got that one. So it's beginning to practice to tune in to different information. 

Josh Fertel

22:59

And what would be an example, like a specific example of something that you've seen, where a spouse saw a gesture from their spouse and it was right on the money? 

Pamela Morgan

23:08

Probably a lot of tension. That's a lot of tension, and it might be they might say, you don't like doing this or something like that, and it was like, yeah, I'm not comfortable with this. So sometimes it's right on, and other times, many times, it's not. Another exercise that I've done with people is to teach them how to pick up the energy of it, and this one's a fun one, okay, so it's kind of very simple. You know, one person has their eyes closed. 

Josh Fertel

23:45

Okay. 

Pamela Morgan

23:46

And the other person. I tell them either you try to act out anger silently. 

Josh Fertel

23:53

Right. 

Pamela Morgan

23:54

Okay or love. Bring either one of those feelings to you. 

Josh Fertel

23:58

Okay. 

Pamela Morgan

24:01

And if you're angry, you can make faces angry faces clench your fists. You have to do it silently, though, and you can't touch your partner or love, you know. Open up your heart and feel love, and then the other person has to say what they feel. 

Josh Fertel

24:16

Just the person with their eyes closed. 

Pamela Morgan

24:17

Yes, they have to say what they feel, whether it's anger or love. 

Josh Fertel

24:22

I'll bet you that they're right more times than they're wrong. 

Pamela Morgan

24:25

They are? 

Josh Fertel

24:26

Yes, they are, I get that they are, and, and. So then, what do you do with this information? 

Pamela Morgan

24:33

now, because then you know I teach them to be aware and pay attention to that when you're having a conversation, don't just listen to the words right you know, you tune into the body language, tune into into the feeling that you get, and couples can develop that skill and not just listening to the words. So it's really important in communicating within couples is to see each other to be somewhat close when you're having a communication of whatever kind, right, when you're having a communication of whatever kind so that you can see, feel, hear and pick up all of that level of information. 

25:19

And then there's less likely you're going to get into conflict or misunderstanding, because you're really present, Right Totally present. 

Josh Fertel

25:26

So here's a thinker for you. What would you say if you were talking to a couple? You said do this one thing every day and you'll never be in my office? What would that be? 

Pamela Morgan

25:43

um, the one thing to have eye contact when you're talking with each other and within and with close distance, you know, like within maybe a feet or so, you know, and even if you could even do it, touch each other, that's an, that kind of level of communication if you're going to have a conversation with somebody. I mean not playful stuff or just logistic stuff, you know, but just something like a really a real conversation. I think that's, and whatever, and however you say it, maybe not even so much as important as that, because if you have good eye contact and you're touching each other, you're facing each other, you're really tuning into each other then the conversation doesn't matter it's, it's going to be, it's going to be good that's awesome. 

Josh Fertel

26:23

Yeah, the uh. So you've been spot on with success stories. Give us a good couple success story. 

Pamela Morgan

26:31

And these were both attorneys. 

Josh Fertel

26:34

Okay. 

Pamela Morgan

26:37

And they literally had contacted divorce attorneys, they were divorcing, they'd already signed the papers. I mean, they had the papers, they didn't sign them yet. They'd been to several other couples, therapists, okay, and they decided one more time. We're going to try one more. Say, didn't sign them yet, they'd been to several other couples, therapists, okay, and they decided one more time. 

Josh Fertel

26:52

We're going to try one more, say one more shot Right and so I worked with them. 

Pamela Morgan

26:55

They stayed married Right. They stayed together, and every Christmas I get a card for them telling me how they're doing, and this has been years. 

Josh Fertel

27:05

What did you do? That was different. 

Pamela Morgan

27:07

I did. Just has been years. What did you do? That was different. I just, I did this semantic work with them and just taught them how to, how to listen to each other, how to see each other, how to connect with each other energetically, emotionally, you know, yeah that's now that that's awesome. 

Josh Fertel

27:21

if, uh, if somebody wanted to connect with you to use your, you know, to speak with you and use your service, how would they? What's the best way to get in contact with you? 

Pamela Morgan

27:32

Well, my business number is 954-525-8088. 

Josh Fertel

27:38

Okay. 

Pamela Morgan

27:39

My office is located in Fort Lauderdale, 720 Northeast 3rd Avenue. Okay, and. 

Josh Fertel

27:45

Email. 

Pamela Morgan

27:46

Email Pamela6Morgan@gmail.com. 

Josh Fertel

27:50

That's great. Yeah, I knew coming on that you're going to have excellent conversations. I knew the conversations would be excellent because I knew your approach was different from what I've heard previously, and so I was really excited to have you on and you did not disappoint. I was really glad you did not disappoint. Glad. If I gave you a magic wand and you can fix one thing that would help you with what you do and your mission, what would you do with it? 

Pamela Morgan

28:27

Oh my gosh, I don't even know how to answer that. You know, I'd probably say right now is I would like to have the opportunity to train more therapists to do this kind of work. I had the opportunity this past year a couple of young therapists in the field and they came to me personally, Like I said, I do work with a lot of therapists and they did this work with me and they fell in love with it and they all, like I, fell in love with it and they wanted to be able to offer it to their clients that's all so they asked me to train them, and I didn't realize how much I enjoy training very good and so if you, you know yes, no, that's a wonderful send them to me with a magic wand. 

Josh Fertel

29:08

Yeah, I really appreciate you coming. I hope you had a good time. I enjoyed the conversation. I enjoyed it too, and I'm hoping that you'll come back again. 

Pamela Morgan

29:16

I would love to come back again. 

Josh Fertel

29:18

Thank you. 

Pamela Morgan

29:18

All right. 

Josh Fertel

29:21

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