Ep 18 - Holistic Healing Unveiled: Transformative Health and the Mind-Body Connection with Julietta Wenzel

Julietta Wenzel, founder of Body and Soul Ministries, joins us for an eye-opening discussion on holistic healing and the profound interconnectedness of mind, body, and spirit. Inspired by her mother and grandmother, both hairdressers and healers, Julietta's unique journey took her from aspiring doctor to physical therapist before she embraced a more integrated approach to health. Listen as she shares her frustrations with the fragmented nature of Western medicine and how this led to the creation of Body and Soul Ministries, a sanctuary for those seeking a more personalized and holistic path to wellness.
 
In our conversation, Julietta reveals the transformative power of addressing physical, mental, spiritual, and energetic layers in healing. She recounts fascinating case studies, such as achieving significant hamstring flexibility in just 30 minutes by tackling emotional blocks, and discusses the often-overlooked impact of scar tissue on the body's systems. The episode also delves into the skepticism surrounding holistic healing due to the lack of scientific research and emphasizes the importance of client outcomes over clinical studies. Julietta's insights offer a refreshing perspective on why holistic methods can often succeed where conventional treatments fall short.
 
We also explore the marketing challenges of blending traditional and holistic practices and the benefits of a self-pay model. From one-on-one sessions to group workshops and retreats, Julietta's offerings are designed to empower individuals to connect with their inner divinity and achieve more by doing less. Tune in for details on upcoming events, including a Turkish coffee reading workshop, a relationship workshop, and a transformative three-day women's retreat. This episode promises to shed light on the critical importance of holistic healing and the powerful mind-body connection.

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Transcript

Josh Fertel

00:04

Welcome to the Angry Biller, a show where we explore the people and the businesses behind the scenes of healthcare, those men and women that are the catalysts that allow providers to concentrate on delivering exceptional patient care. Welcome to the Angry Biller. My name is Josh Fertel, I am the founder and CEO of J3 Medical Billing and I am your host. We are here at the Visual by Momo Studios. We have done many episodes about mental health and the one thing that I found is that there are many different approaches to mental health, and I'm excited to have Julietta Wenzel, who is the founder of Body and Soul Ministries, to just give us another point of view of how to take care of people and how patients can live their best life. Hi, Julietta. 

Julietta Wenzel

00:54

Hi Josh, Thanks for having me here today. 

Josh Fertel

00:56

No, we're excited to have you. As I said, we've done a lot on mental health especially. You know we're a show that's focused on providers and doctors and the behind the scenes and the mental health for them you know nobody talks about, and so that's really what got me started down this rabbit hole of different mental health providers, which is what you are. But let's talk about the. Let's start from the beginning. Tell us about you, how you got started on your journey. 

Julietta Wenzel

01:26

well, one day I was born, but um, I you know, the funny story is my, my mom and my grandmother were both hairdressers, but I know from looking back now that they were also healers. Okay, you know, like the women that came and sat in their chairs and the men, right, but mostly women were yes, they were there healers. Okay, you know, like the women that came and sat in their chairs and the men, but mostly women were yes, they were there to get their hair done, but they were also there to receive healing. You know, being seen and supported and acknowledged and you know, I think that is such an important aspect of our healing is just being seen and being acknowledged. Yeah, and so, as a kid I was always. 

02:13

I was going to be a hairdresser too, because the two most fantastic women in my life, that's what they were doing, and so I wanted to be like them. Oh, when I got to be old enough to understand, my mom was like uh, you're too smart to be a hairdresser, I'm not letting that happen, you need to do something else. And I said, well, fine, I'll be a doctor then. And so most of my younger years I spent planning on being a doctor and the problem was I didn't really like school that much. Like Like school was easy for me, gotcha, but the idea of like having to go to school for a really long time was not for me, and growing up I was very fortunate. 

02:51

We always, you know, sat at the dinner table as a family and had dinner together. And one day, while I was in high school, my dad said have you ever thought of being a physical therapist? And I was like, well, how would I've ever thought of that? I never heard of it. And so back then I had to go to the the google version we had back then, which was the public library went to the public library, investigated what that was and was like oh okay, I can do that. That sounds good. It's only four years of college, not, you know, like infinite. And so that's what I did for 32 years. 

03:24

But during that process, right um, I just really became frustrated with our typical western model that like cuts people into parts and you deal with this part and you deal with that part and you deal with that part when the truth is. All of these parts work together and if you don't assess them together, okay, you're not going part when the truth is all of these parts work together, and if you don't assess them together, okay, you're not going to get the true picture of what's going on. 

03:53

No, I love that. So to really be able to function the way I function, I had to find a way to leave the physical therapy profession and still be able to help people on their healing journeys Gotcha, so. So that's where Body and Soul Ministries comes in, and so I've removed myself from the public sector, and this is something that many alternative holistic practitioners are doing out there now is you create a private setting, where what happens in that private setting is between me and the members of my ministry, and so it has created a freedom for me to be able to look at the human as a whole and go from there, and so I do. I still look at the physical body, but I look at the energetic body, the emotional body, the spiritual body and lots of other bodies in between. 

Josh Fertel

04:51

So tell us the services that you know. I've used the word services, but tell us how you provide. 

Julietta Wenzel

04:59

So and part of my journey also. I've been on a spiritual path for many years and I have spirit guides that communicate with me and for a long time I've been receiving the message like it's great, the one-on-one work see that 10 times fast that you do with people, but you also need to reach out to people in groups as well. So I do still do one-on-one sessions with people and what that looks like varies depending on what they're coming in for. Sometimes people come in we just sit in the chair and we have some cacao and a conversation. Sometimes people get on my table and I do a full physical assessment and you know I can go many different directions depend on what you're coming in for me for. Then I do workshops. You know I mentioned cacao. We do cacao ceremonies, we do retreats. There's lots of different ways that people can reach out. 

Josh Fertel

05:57

All right, so I have two questions. Let's start with this one. Why do you prefer the group setting as compared to individual? 

Julietta Wenzel

06:03

I wouldn't say that I prefer it. It's just that I'm able to reach more people okay there's that side of it, the other really cool thing about working in groups and this is the same you know with. You know churches and religions like people gather together in community because it amplifies, okay, the energy they feed off each other, right. So if you're going in to pray for something, when you have a community, a group of people sending up this prayer the prayer is going to be amplified, as opposed to if you're just making that prayer yourself. 

06:36

So same thing when we come together, like we're all coming together for our healing or our personal growth, and when we do that in a group, it amplifies. 

Josh Fertel

06:46

How large is a group usually? 

Julietta Wenzel

06:49

It can vary, like if it's just me myself working with a small group, I prefer like six to 10 people, but I do have people that work with me and so we can handle larger groups when. 

Josh Fertel

07:03

Is it individuals, couples? 

Julietta Wenzel

07:08

Um can be anything. I mean, um, I would say the majority of time people are coming in individually, um, but sometimes people do come in in couples and funny that you bring that up. On sunday I'm having a relationship manifestation workshop and um and what will that entail? 

07:28

So it's going to be me like sharing all the secrets of how you create, how you manifest the relationship that you desire, and so it can be like is it a love relationship? But it can also be. You know, all relationships that we have with people. It could be business relationships, it could be friendships, it could be family relationships. But if you are not having the relationships that you desire, you have the ability to manifest them, and whether that means manifesting somebody new in your life or taking the person that's already in your life and creating the relationship you desire with that person. But I have all kinds of tools and tricks that I'm going to teach. 

Josh Fertel

08:09

I don't want you to share all your secrets, but tell us one technique you're going to use. 

Julietta Wenzel

08:14

So well, the first thing, because this is like one of my favorite things right now. Anybody who's talked to me, I drink cacao every day, and I don't just drink we're going to get to the cacao thing. But we will start with the cacao ceremony, because cacao is a heart opener. 

08:27

Okay, and so, when you're going to be in relationship with someone, right and I think this is something that's a little difficult in our western society. It's like we always think about love in the romantic terms. Okay, but love is universal, and so even right now there is there is love happening between you and I, josh. It's the only way for us to sit here and have this conversation right you know, if we're not sitting in a space of love, this conversation is not going to look totally different conversation correct, so we will start the workshop on saturday with a cacao ceremony to create that open-hearted space so that we can truly dive in and get to what's important. 

Josh Fertel

09:09

Can you tell me exactly what the cacao ceremony is? 

Julietta Wenzel

09:13

So cacao is the plant that the chocolate comes from. The problem is like when you're eating that Twix bar. The cacao in that Twix bar has been processed like so many kajillion times. 

Josh Fertel

09:26

Yes. 

Julietta Wenzel

09:26

Like it's lost all of the spirit at its essence of that cacao medicine. 

Josh Fertel

09:32

Right. 

Julietta Wenzel

09:32

Cacao is like in the most pure form that you can get it. You know they pick the fruit off the tree and open it up and there's the seeds inside and that they ferment them and roast them and then it becomes that cacao and so we make it into a beverage. It's like hot chocolate, but again it's so much less processed that it still has that heart opening spirit of the medicine in there, additionally, like the health benefits. This is why I switched from coffee to. I drink cacao every morning. But you know it's healthy for your heart. It increases stem cells. So, like you know, people pay thousands of dollars to go get stem cell treatment. Just drink a cup of cacao. It increases your stem cells and you know like it on a physical level is good for your heart, but then on the emotional level it's good for your heart. 

Josh Fertel

10:27

OK, that's good. See, I never understood. Now I did the, the, the, the people that you have coming to your retreats. How do you assess them? Are there, are there? Do you ever come across somebody says you know, I don't think this person can be a good fit. 

Julietta Wenzel

10:43

Sometimes, but that's pretty rare. I mean typically the people that are reaching out to myself, and then, you know, graciela does a lot of my retreats with me. Um, just having a conversation and an interaction with people, um, it's it's rare to find someone that would approach us. That's not a good fit. You know, anybody who's looking for growth, looking for community, looking for a supportive um tribe to be a part of, uh, and you know, the world, like social media right now, is a dangerous place for me. 

11:24

There's so much negativity out there and so much trying to separate people and create division. And you know, creating community literally have to be on like a true, like medical, like schizophrenic diagnosis. You know, have a serious psychiatric diagnosis for me to say you know what you need to go get a different kind of help, but everybody else it's like, come in, we're here to share the love and create community and connect like-minded people. 

Josh Fertel

12:03

Okay, I want to take a break here, but when we come back, I want to talk about how the physical part comes into play in your retreat. 

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We are back. We have Julietta Wenzel with Body and Soul Ministries giving us great information about how she helps heal, and you know it's always the thing that we're interested in here. How we talked about the mental aspect and opening up heart and looking for love. How does the physical part come in when you're doing? 

Julietta Wenzel

12:54

Well, you know, the physical part part, this is the vessel that we've been given to maneuver through this life, and if it's not in balance, how is anything else going to be in balance in our life? Okay and um. So, like I said, my background is in physical therapy and so, you know, for years people have come to me for physical pain, whether it be back pain, hip pain, knee pain, shoulder pain, and I still help people with those diagnoses and um, but even a lot of people who are just coming in for purely mental, spiritual kinds of issues, I oftentimes still will look at the physical body because if we're going to, you know, it's kind of like the body is layers and you look at the physical layer is kind of like the bottom layer, the foundation. If it's off balance and you try and put something in balance on top of that, it's eventually going to crumble as well because it's not on a steady, firm foundation. 

Josh Fertel

13:53

In your transition from physical therapist to what you're doing now holistic. When you see somebody with a physical ailment, has your perception changed as to how to treat it? 

Julietta Wenzel

14:04

Oh, a thousand percent. 

Josh Fertel

14:06

How. 

Julietta Wenzel

14:06

And that's part of how I got here, because the things that I had learned in school and the things that I was learning in more traditional physical therapy continuing education courses, it helps some people, but it didn't help everybody. And so it was that dive in like why are these people not getting better? What is what is the issue there? And then starting to realize it's like all these other layers that are being not looked at, not looked at, they're being ignored, and so, um, now I forgot what the original question was, but, um, you know, it was that me like seeking, like how can I help these people that aren't being helped from the traditional? 

Josh Fertel

14:46

that made me have to look for other have you had a somebody that's been with you for a while? That was during the transition where, when you changed the way you were treating, you saw a noticeable difference in their recovery. 

Julietta Wenzel

15:04

And I will say because it's been a gradual thing it wasn't like one day I was working this way and the next day I was working that way. 

Josh Fertel

15:11

But your thought process had changed. 

Julietta Wenzel

15:13

Absolutely, and it's. I do think that I attract a different kind of client now than and I'm sure there are people that saw me years ago like they would come to me today and they'd be like she's too weird for me. 

Josh Fertel

15:40

Oh, they didn't say that before. Well, not everybody is ready to look at the body on a holistic level, where you're looking at the physical, the mental, the spiritual, the energetic Not everybody's ready for that you have to be a little more open minded. 

Julietta Wenzel

15:55

And it's completely OK if you're not ready. And sometimes people you know, I've seen people where initially, when they come to me, they think that I'm only going to work on the physical. 

Josh Fertel

16:06

Right. 

Julietta Wenzel

16:06

And that's where things stay, because that's what they're ready for at the moment. But as they continue to come and heal and possibly just being exposed to my energy, they start to open up to other stuff and sometimes they're even surprised at what they open up to. 

Josh Fertel

16:23

Yeah, so it leads me to a great question. So what are some of the common misconceptions about holistic healing? 

Julietta Wenzel

16:33

Sure, that's a good question. Well, and one thing like our Western medical model has got so tapped into, there has to be research and evidence to prove that what we're doing actually works. And when you step outside that box, people think like this can't help me because there's no research behind it. The problem is is that a a lot of times our research we have to look at who's paying for the research, because that influences what the the results are of the research, um and uh. We also know, anytime we study and look at something, the fact that it's being studied and looked at changes the result fair. So it's like how can you even fully accept research? Because there is the influence of the outside money and the outside beliefs coming in on that research. To me, my research is does my client get better or not? That's all the evidence that I need, and it's difficult to put many of these things, many of these tools, inside a research container. 

Josh Fertel

17:56

I would say that it's not as measurable. The results Right, you can have an ailment. 

Julietta Wenzel

18:02

In what we would say a scientific way Right. 

Josh Fertel

18:04

Right, that's from the physical to the holistic. 

Julietta Wenzel

18:08

Yeah. 

Josh Fertel

18:08

That's not as measurable and that's where the questioning, I suppose, was coming. 

Julietta Wenzel

18:12

Yeah, because there, you know, like one thing I talk about, you know there's medicine and all the, or meditation and all these spiritual aspects that, like the, you know, the monks have known for thousands of years and people don't buy into it because there's no research. But then along comes someone like Joe Dispenza who's doing all of this and like bless him for those people that need that are tackling that enormous job of trying to bring the scientific research to these areas. But an open heart and an open mind is far more in your favor than having to see proven research. 

Josh Fertel

19:02

No, 100%, 100%. But a lot of everything is about education, and unless you know what can happen and you have open-minded enough to try it, then it's always going to be mysterious yeah. 

Julietta Wenzel

19:20

And I will say a lot of the people that come to me. They end up coming to me because no one else has been able to help them. It's kind of like the last resort. So give me an example I tried all of those Western medical things and then here you know most people to come to me by word of mouth. So there's a little bit of the trust factor there. Like my bestie told me I should go see her. I trust my bestie, so I'm going to trust her. 

19:49

That's the best advertising but, um you know, there's so many things that, um like, one of the simplest things that I work with all the time is scar tissue okay and so people who've either had surgeries or have had injuries that have created significant scar tissue. 

20:09

Most of Western medicine completely ignores the scar tissue and scar tissue. It creates physical blockages in the body, both like in the connective tissue, in the muscles, in the skin. But it also creates blockages in, like the lymphatic system, our fluid flow, our nervous system, our circulatory system. But then, like you look at acupuncture, like these energy meridians running through our body. If you've got a scar through an acupuncture meridian, that's going to impact the flow of energy. Okay, so you know, sometimes I have people come to me. They're like I've gone to every chiropractor, physical therapist, doctor in town about my back pain and no one's been able to help me and I'll be like, okay, what's your medical history? Oh, you have kids. How did you know? Natural or C-section? Well, they were C-section. Oh, so you had this huge scar across your abdomen that nobody's looked at. And so, treating the scar, it's like magically back pain will disappear. Or I've seen frozen shoulders coming from a C-section scar or knee pain coming from a C-section scar. 

Josh Fertel

21:18

How do you treat? 

Julietta Wenzel

21:19

it. So I use microcurrents. There's a device called the dolphin stim that was developed by an acupuncturist in Canada that I use on the scar tissue. I also use manual techniques. Sometimes there are emotions trapped in scar tissue. You just got to go in there and look at it from every level and see where it is creating the impact. 

Josh Fertel

21:46

I got a cool scar from surgery. 

Julietta Wenzel

21:48

I love cool scars. I got a cool scar from surgery. I love cool scars. 

Josh Fertel

21:50

I got a cool scar that I might have to have you look at maybe we'll do a whole video documentary yes, there you go, so okay. So, besides treating scars and cacao, what other instruments do you use to break? 

Julietta Wenzel

22:12

them so well. The biggest tool that I use is muscle testing. Okay, it's called applied kinesiology, and so anytime something is favorable or beneficial to the body, the body will stay strong. 

Josh Fertel

22:26

Okay. 

Julietta Wenzel

22:27

If something's harmful or interfering with the wellness of the body, the body will stay strong. If something's harmful or interfering with the wellness of the body, the body will go weak. And so, through that, I can have a conversation with the body to determine okay, this problem that you're having, where is it located and what do we need to do about it. And that's basically what determines the direction that the treatment goes, because only your body knows what it actually needs to heal. And so from that, that will guide me. Okay, do we need to balance something in the physical body? Do we need to balance something in the energetic body? To me, I refer to the energetic body as the acupuncture meridians. Is this emotional? Is this connected to something in the nervous system? Is this connected to an organ? There's all different layers that we can tap into to find out, like where is the actual root cause of this problem? Okay, it's here. Now what do we need to do to fix that? 

Josh Fertel

23:16

And how does that balancing happen? 

Julietta Wenzel

23:20

Let's see, and it will vary depending on you know, like, if it comes up that it's in the musculoskeletal system. You know, I go through the body and find out, like, where in the body is this? Okay, like, let's say, it's in your knee joint. Okay, what do I need to do to the knee joint to bring the balance? It's all you know. I have a very like systematized questionnaire that I go through the body to help me get quickly to where do we need to go to resolve this problem? 

Josh Fertel

23:51

That's awesome. 

Julietta Wenzel

23:53

But like the fun thing is that, you know, even I had a client this morning who had very tight hamstrings. 

Josh Fertel

23:57

Right. 

Julietta Wenzel

23:57

There were some physical corrections that we had to make to the body, but then in the end, as we were like fine tuning, things like his hamstrings were still really tight and first I had to clear out something in his bladder meridian. 

Josh Fertel

24:10

Okay. 

Julietta Wenzel

24:11

And so I stimulate acupuncture points with microcurrent. 

Josh Fertel

24:15

Okay. 

Julietta Wenzel

24:16

That created a fairly significant increase in the flexibility of his hamstrings, which that alone would like. If I had a Western medical practitioner observing that, they would have been like that's kind of weird, I don't understand that. But then next I went to the next level and it was emotional and so I have a been like that's kind of weird, I don't understand that. But then next I went to the next level and it was emotional and so I have a very like I'm not a psychotherapist, we don't sit there and analyze things, it's really just a really quick identify what is the emotion that's getting in the way of this, and then what do we want to replace that with? And so we went through a little conversation there and then retested and his hamstring flexibility was almost normal and what was this time frame? 

24:57

I mean his entire appointment was 30 minutes, so that like portion of it may have been like five or ten minutes. 

25:05

Yeah it's very efficient really yes, and so I do have you know, like I always say for first-time clients, like you got to come in for at least an hour because we don't know, like, where we're going. But once you've been a client like if you're, if you're on a really super busy schedule, we can almost always do 30-minute appointments we just got to be like spot on and just go, go, go right and and be very specific like what is our intention for this appointment. A lot of my people, though, they love to come in and hang out for an hour and just see, you know they might have a problem that they want specifically to address, but, like, sometimes too, it's just like let's just put it off to the universe, like what is, for my highest good for us to address today and we can have lots of fun how do, besides word of mouth? 

Josh Fertel

25:53

how would somebody find you? 

Julietta Wenzel

25:55

yeah, that's always been the challenge, even my whole career even as a physical therapist, because I have always practiced, not in the most traditional way, and people would come to me and they're like, oh, I wish I'd found you earlier. And like and I've always asked that question like how could? 

26:17

I advertise myself to make it easier for people to find me, like I do have a website and I do, you know, have all the things. Um, you know, and a business coach wants like, okay, pull your your 10 favorite clients and have them like describe what you do and then we'll look at like, what is the common theme? Okay, well, like the most common theme was magic. I can't advertise that I do magic because people are gonna be looking for a magician right. 

26:41

Like that's not so it has been. You know, quite the challenge to figure out. How do you market something that, like, people don't even know that they're necessarily looking for? 

Josh Fertel

26:51

it Right. 

Julietta Wenzel

26:52

So I do my best to just put myself out there and the website is um body and soul, ministries that love L O V E at the end, yes, cause love is the greatest healing power there is in the universe. 

Josh Fertel

27:08

I am. Are you take insurance? Are you? Cash is the greatest healing power there is in the universe. I am. Are you take insurance? Are? 

Julietta Wenzel

27:13

you cash Self-pay only. You know, for many years when I practiced as a physical therapist, I did take insurance. But the big problem with insurance these days is what they reimburse for physical therapy is? It's a bit of a joke right now. 

Josh Fertel

27:32

That's my day job. 

Julietta Wenzel

27:33

Yeah. 

Josh Fertel

27:34

And I totally understand. That's why I asked the question. 

Julietta Wenzel

27:36

Yeah, and so I spend. You know, whether you booked a half-hour appointment or an hour appointment, I spend that entire time working one-on-one with the client, and to do that at insurance rates like you can't survive and keep the lights on. You know, um, which is why when you go out there for you know traditional just about in any area, you know like in the physical therapy realm you've got one pt treating four or five patients at a time right when you go to the doctor's office he spends five minutes with you because he's not paying pay. 

28:09

You know like it's the only way to make it happen. And you know I laughed, you know, years ago when they said like Obamacare was going to solve all of our health care issues. And I'm like, coming from the inside, I don't think that's. You know, there's a lot bigger issues. You know our health care system isn't really health care it's really disease management. 

Josh Fertel

28:30

It's a broken system. I live it every day. It is a broken system. Tell what events do you have coming up? 

Julietta Wenzel

28:36

Turkish coffee event where you know I as a spiritual person spirit is always trying to speak to us and you know, every question we have, the universe is trying to give us the answer. So we're going to teach everybody how to find the answers to their questions in their coffee grounds oh, wow and um. We've done this event one other time. It's it's a lot of fun, but I also love it's really empowering for people to understand. Like you don't need to go see a psychic or some other professional to find the answers. Like the answers are all around us. You just have have they're in your coffee cup. Like you can find them wherever you look. 

29:11

You just have to be open to receiving the answers. So, I have that on tomorrow. On Sunday I have the relationship workshop. 

Josh Fertel

29:20

Nice. 

Julietta Wenzel

29:21

Um, and then the big retreat. We have a three day retreat for women called activate the goddess within Nice and um. We have a three-day retreat for women called Activate the Goddess Within Nice, and it's all about helping women tune into the inner divinity within them and access that power so that they can achieve more in life by doing less. So, okay, hallelujah, because we all think that to have more, we have to do more Right, and that's not necessarily true. 

Josh Fertel

29:47

Right. 

Julietta Wenzel

29:48

You can have a lot more by doing less, and that is September 6th through the 8th here in Hallandale oh, very nice, yeah, and a trip oh, the big trip that's happening is Egypt in November. This is kind of like the last week you can sign up for that, because it's a busy place, and if you haven't reserved your room already, you might end up sleeping in a hotel that you really don't want to, and so what's the what's that? 

Josh Fertel

30:15

entailed at that trip, so I'm sure you'll have it again. 

Julietta Wenzel

30:18

Yes, it goes well yes, um, well, in egypt is like it just, I've been there twice already and it just keeps pulling me back, and so I want to share the magic of it with other people. But and this is more of a it's more of a, you know, a spiritual, mystical, magical tour of Egypt, like we go to all the sites, but also experiencing the energy of those sites and the mystical initiations of the ancient schools there and traditions and, um, it's, when you tune into that, egypt becomes a completely different place, right? You know, I talked to some people and they're like, wow, like that was what I was hoping to find in egypt and I didn't. And it's like, if you didn't go with the right people, that would help tune you into that frequency so that you can experience it. So that's the purpose is to go and support people in getting into the frequencies that are there. That can help elevate the experience for you, and so we'll be there for almost full two weeks, wow, and yeah, that's great. 

31:28

Yeah, so you have a lot going on. Do have a lot going on. Who's your, who's your perfect client? So my perfect client is really almost everybody who is tuned into there being more than just the 3d in life. Okay, so anybody who wants to heal, wants to grow, wants to evolve. 

Josh Fertel

31:55

Right. 

Julietta Wenzel

31:55

You know I don't really like using the word enlightenment, but for a lot of people it is that path Like. If you're seeking to become the best version of yourself, I can help you do that. 

Josh Fertel

32:09

You also have to find the doubters right, Because once you get into the doubters, they'll tell their fellow doubters. 

Julietta Wenzel

32:16

Yeah, and you know, like I hold the space for the potential is there for everybody. Oh sure, and you know some people like to shut people down. It's so funny Like I just had this conversation with someone else this morning Like not every person that comes to see me is necessarily on the outside what looks like my ideal clients, and they're not all doing all of this deeper level work, but they keep coming and they keep coming for a reason and I know that at some point that shift is going to happen, that they open up to these other levels, do you do? 

Josh Fertel

32:55

any speaking or webinars or lectures. 

Julietta Wenzel

32:58

Um, it's funny, you like I've been told so many times like oh, this event, you should have been a speaker there. Um, so I haven't really tapped into that, you know. I have Voices of the Goddess podcast that. I've been co-hosting since 2021. But yeah, it's definitely being put out there into the universe to start sharing the wisdom other places, and so I'm open to it if anybody has any suggestions. 

Josh Fertel

33:31

It all comes down to time. 

Julietta Wenzel

33:33

That's the truth. 

Josh Fertel

33:34

It all comes down to time, but time's not real, it's just made up. That's for another show. I'm way over my head. If I had a magic wand and I could say to you, Julieta, do with it what you want to improve your business and your mission, what would you do with it? 

Julietta Wenzel

33:53

Well, my mission is love. Okay, like if I could wave the wand, I would make everybody love themselves. Wow, because I truly believe that if everybody truly, fully, completely loved themselves, every problem that we have in the world would go away May have been the best magic wand answers that we've had. 

Josh Fertel

34:15

I really appreciate that you came on here. I know you are a seasoned podcaster and just sharing your expertise and what you do. I knew it was going to be enlightening and I learned some things today and you will be checking out my scar and I'm hoping that that you'll come back again and we'll follow up with this. 

Julietta Wenzel

34:33

Sure, anytime Egypt and tell us about your experience. Happy to do that? Happy to do that thanks. 

Josh Fertel

34:38

Julia, you're welcome you know, again learning on this show, the way that the mind and body are connected and how important it is for everyone to experience, you know, being with a professional, whether you're talking it out, whether you know you're you're looking for your physical ailments that that can be, you know, improved on just from other techniques than going to a physical doctor, you know that's that's a lot of the reason that we were we have this show is to really go into what goes on behind the scenes of medicine, and Juliet was a perfect example of someone who's taking things to the next level and we were really fortunate to have her. Thank you for listening today. Please follow us on Facebook and LinkedIn and you can check us out at theangrybiller.com.