Can Toy Story Avoid Jumping The Shark With A Rattler Rum Punch

One of us says Toy Story 3 is the best film in the franchise. The other says it’s the weakest and only the ending sticks. That’s where our Toy Story debate starts, and it only gets more fun from there.

We warm up with a taste test of a DIY Rattler Rum Punch inspired by Roundup Rodeo Barbecue at Walt Disney World, then dive into a full Toy Story 3 review: the daycare escape premise, why Lotso works (or doesn’t), the “prison movie” influences, and the little realism beats Pixar nails like toddlers destroying toys and Andy’s junky college-bound car. We also call out the scenes that still deliver on rewatch, including Spanish Buzz, Ken’s instant-icon energy, and the incinerator sequence that somehow balances dread with comedy.

Then we pivot to Toy Story 4 and ask the question every Pixar fan has asked: how do you follow a perfect ending without feeling like you’re just chasing sequel money? We talk Forky’s surprisingly sharp writing, Gabby Gabby’s redemption arc, and why characters like Ducky and Bunny and Duke Caboom (Keanu Reeves) make the movie sing. We also get into Pixar easter eggs, voice-cast surprises, and Buzz’s “inner voice” gag as a clever twist on his character.

We close with the big franchise topic: will Toy Story ever jump the shark, and what would it take for audiences to finally walk away? If you’ve got strong feelings about Pixar sequels, Toy Story 5, or what makes a franchise stay relevant for 30 years, hit play, then subscribe, share, and leave us a review. What’s your #1 Toy Story, and why?

Transcript

Rum Punch Taste Test Opener

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Hey Aaron. Hey, let's try this rattle of rum punch from Roundup Rodeo Barbecue and talk some Toy Story 3 and 4 today. What do you think? Sounds good to me. Welcome to Tears to Years.

SPEAKER_02 0:13

We're here for you. Old Fashioned Manhattan. We'll talk back to From Future Land to the Wild Frontier. Disney talk on Tears to Italy.

SPEAKER_00 0:31

Okay, and we're back. We're back with the rattler rum punch from Road Roundup Rodeo Barbecue.

SPEAKER_02 0:37

I keep wanting to call it Rodeo Roundup.

SPEAKER_00 0:40

I think it's a better, let's switch it. They should switch it. Yeah. Switch it from Disney. Just switch the name. It's a bit better that way. Let's just start calling it that. Yeah. We'll start a trend. It's made of Picardi Superior rum, orange pineapple juice, lime and passion fruit, and it's garnished with a sweet and spicy rum. And it sold for only $16.50. Sweet and spicy rim.

SPEAKER_02 0:59

I said rum again.

SPEAKER_00 1:00

We kept making that mistake. I read it every time. Yeah. I looked all over our cabinets for a sweet and spicy rum. Decided we just go with a spicy rum.

SPEAKER_02 1:08

And then wasn't that at all? Yeah, I thought it wanted a float. So we did two ounces of Captain Morgan's white rum, if I'm remembering correctly. Yes. Yes. Captain Morgan's white rum. Two ounces. We did two ounces of pineapple juice, one ounce of orange juice, three quarters of an ounce of passion fruit syrup, and a half ounce of lime juice. We made up a spicy, sweet rim. Yep, I'm gonna try it. Very spicy, a little burn to it. Actually, yeah, it's actually not too bad. We didn't have tahine, which was the issue. And so it's got more burn than I think it normally would have. I know I like it though.

SPEAKER_00 1:45

It adds to it. I just drank from that side again. I think it's yeah, it's pretty good.

SPEAKER_02 1:49

Yeah, the tahine would have been good because it's got that lime, chili lime kind of flavor. Right. And what do you think of the drink? This one's excellent. It is good. So a lot of times when you get a fruity drink, and this really counts as a fruity drink, it's too syrupy. And this one's not syrupy, this one's not alcohol forward at all. It all blends very well. Some strong pineapple, I would say, comes through, but yeah, it's it's very good. And I'm now I'm thinking about having it with barbecue. Oh, yeah. And I think it would be a very good drink with barbecue because it would cut through all the the grease and the heaviness of that meal. I think this would be a good choice if you were going to roundup rodeo barbecue. Or rodeo roundup. Or rodeo roundup. Right, whichever one you like to go to. Whichever one you want to go to. Have this drink. This is a good one.

SPEAKER_00 2:38

This is a good drink.

SPEAKER_02 2:38

I can't remember.

SPEAKER_00 2:39

I agree with the barbecue thing. I didn't think of it that way. But like a rack of ribs. Yes. With the sauciness of the barbecue sauce and this drink just taking a sip. Oh yeah. Great, great idea. Love it.

SPEAKER_02 2:50

What did we? I'm trying to remember. Oh, we had the snake eye margarita, which that one was okay. It was okay. This is this is the much better drink there. They have some other ones. A grown-up's peanut butter and jelly. That I don't know if I'd want that one. Oh, it's a smoothie type drink. Prickly spur, Long Island.

SPEAKER_00 3:10

I like a I like a Long Island.

SPEAKER_02 3:11

This one looks pretty good with desert pear syrup. That sounds pretty good. Yeah, a whiskey lemonade, probably another pretty good one. Now the strawberry saloon Collins sounds pretty good to me. And it's only $15.50. It is.

SPEAKER_00 3:24

If you're going for a pricey, a less pricey drink.

SPEAKER_02 3:27

Jan and juice. Lemon juice. Strawberry concentrate, simple syrup, and topped with soda water. I think I'd like that one potentially. But overall, I think I like this. Thinking about what those would be like, I think this would be the best drink to get there. Not a restaurant I've eaten at. Don't know if I ever will.

SPEAKER_00 3:44

I don't know. It's because because of the pricing structure of it.

SPEAKER_02 3:47

Probably.

SPEAKER_00 3:47

It might be just going and get a plate. It's a buffet style.

SPEAKER_02 3:51

It's a buffet style. Right. Good-looking food. Right. But I think $75 a person? No, it's only $49. Oh, well.

SPEAKER_00 3:59

Only $49. Only $49.

SPEAKER_02 4:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:01

After IFC. I had I said $75 and it sounds cheap now.

SPEAKER_02 4:05

Yeah. But and it's probably one of those I do once, and just because I feel like I've got to do everything once. Yeah. Oh, except for well, I did Hoop De Doo review. I've done that twice. So maybe if I really like it. But this doesn't have the show that Hoop De Do, but it's the same food.

SPEAKER_00 4:21

Right.

SPEAKER_02 4:22

Yeah. Hoopty Doo, if you get the chance, that is something I highly recommend. I really need to do that. It's a great show. It is good food. Actually, alcohol, either sangria or beer is included with the price. It's a little bit more than this. It's about 70 bucks. But it's a great time. Right. It really is. Great time. So anyway,

Toy Story 3 First Impressions Clash

SPEAKER_02 4:43

we're talking Toy Story 3 and 4. Right. Following up our Toy Story 2 and 3. What am I doing? You know, one, two, three, four. I can't even count, right? As long as we can count to four.

SPEAKER_00 4:54

We can't say words correctly. I can at least count correctly. Come on.

SPEAKER_02 4:57

We're smarter than Bonnie. Come on. We're smarter than Bonnie if we can count to four. So I had more notes on Toy Story Three than I did on Toy Story Four. Overall, I think three was my favorite.

SPEAKER_00 5:10

Of all four. Okay. I'm going, I'm going to say exactly the opposite of that, and three is my least favorite. Really? Okay. I only like the ending. Oh, when he hands over. I didn't like the movie itself. I didn't I wasn't a fan of I wasn't a fan of Lotto too much. Yeah. I didn't I didn't love the the premise of it. I I think I would give it just an okay.

SPEAKER_02 5:33

Maybe because having worked in daycares myself, maybe I could understand like the toys' fear of the children.

SPEAKER_00 5:40

I found it not as funny as the other ones. This is true.

SPEAKER_02 5:43

Now four had a I think three lines that were just absolute laugh out loud.

SPEAKER_00 5:47

I laughed out loud, especially with the Key and Peel stuff.

SPEAKER_02 5:51

Oh yeah. They were hilarious. They were hilarious. They were two of the best characters and Miss Giggles, the little tiny character.

SPEAKER_00 5:59

Oh, she was funny.

SPEAKER_02 6:00

She was very funny. Right. So her and Key and Peel were great new additions to that. But let's get out. She had a Judy Hops vibe. But like with a little edgy. She was like, oh, maybe she was Judy and Nick's child. Because you know they're gonna adopt and create. Yeah, let's start just let's start with Toy Story Three and just talk about the movie. After hey, take a drink of my edge.

SPEAKER_00 6:21

Right?

SPEAKER_02 6:21

You got this drink. I gotta say, three was probably no, I liked them all, but I think three was my favorite. I really love the Andy. And it was great. Where Andy hands over his toys to Bonnie and they play together for a while.

SPEAKER_00 6:36

And yeah, that was all the Andy scenes were great.

SPEAKER_02 6:39

Yes. Now this one, Andy's mom is absolutely Riley from inside out.

SPEAKER_00 6:45

She probably is.

SPEAKER_02 6:46

Yeah. And they allude to that through all the universe stuff with the Pixar universe, how they're they tie in each of the movies. But they showed one where it's just her face, and it's like, yeah, that's Riley. Absolutely. I mean, it looks like her as a grown-up. Right. Yeah. So

Pixar Details That Make It Real

SPEAKER_02 7:05

it was good. Now, what was interesting. Okay, so last week I had talked about how they had never recorded together, Tim Allen and Tom Hanks. Turns out they had only recorded once, but by the third movie, because they liked their chemistry so much of the two characters, they actually recorded together. So I don't know where I read that, that they didn't record any of their lines through any of them, but I guess it's wrong. It's wrong.

SPEAKER_00 7:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 7:32

Yeah. So I was wrong.

SPEAKER_00 7:34

It's just very big of you.

SPEAKER_02 7:35

I'm not afraid to admit it. That's very big of you. On my podcast that I was wrong.

SPEAKER_00 7:39

It's out there the world. Yeah. What let's get your thoughts on this movie. Yeah, I just wrote down common thoughts on the movie. Okay. That's kind of what I did. Yeah, like just to talk about like Woody kept saying Woody's whole premise of the story was Andy still loves us. That's his entire thing. Yes. Wasn't this wasn't a big Woody movie.

SPEAKER_02 7:59

No, it wasn't. It was focused more on and it wasn't really even a a Woody or a even Buzz. No. It was really focused on the insemble and the human characters. Right. Which is really interesting because the villain was the first non-human villain. The first time there was a non-human villain. Okay. Because they had Sid in the first one. And the the second one was the the toy collector who was trying to sell them. Although the prospector was another villain in that as well. But this one had no human villains.

SPEAKER_00 8:34

Right. And they didn't even show anyone that ran the daycare, did they? No. And none of them were villains. No. They were just the little kids were villains.

SPEAKER_02 8:42

Yeah, but the little tiny kids were kind of villainies. They were, but they were toddlers. Yeah. Yeah. I get really it and it was those little touches that I really liked.

unknown 8:51

Right.

SPEAKER_02 8:51

There were pieces that moved out really liked. That's how toddlers play with toys. Right. They jump on them, they lick 'em. Yeah. And I could understand if I were a toy, I wouldn't want to be near a toddler. Yeah. So tell us what else you got there. There were small touches. Bonnie wearing the rubber boots with the straps on the sides, so you can pull so that little kids wear. And they always wear those little boots.

SPEAKER_00 9:14

Oh, yeah, they do. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:15

Those little hooks. Even if it's sunny and warm out in the middle of summer, they'll still wear those boots. Yeah, Michaela did that a lot. Little kids can put those on. They grab the little handles on the sides and they're able to pull their feet into them. So it's little touches like that. Like they cared about how would a three or four-year-old, assuming Bonnie was like three, four, how would they act? What would they wear? Right. And it's those little touches I think that they do really great through all of these movies. Andy driving his piece of junk, dirty car to college. Oh yeah. Yeah. Another thing that's very true for a young guy to have just a piece of junk car that is his first car. It was funny. Sid is the truck driver. That's great. The dump truck driver. Or the guy. Buster being old and fat, the dog.

SPEAKER_00 10:01

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:02

Yeah. And they said that so this was a little factoid that I came across. Okay. It said that by this time they'd figured out how to draw hair and was it grass? I think hair and grass or humans, they'd figured out how to do that and draw those really well with the computer animation. The struggle with this one was garbage bags because of how they move and the light reflection off of them. They said this what that was the hardest part about making this of drawing this movie was drawing accurate-looking garbage bags.

SPEAKER_00 10:37

That's interesting.

SPEAKER_02 10:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:38

You would never guess that. No, not at all. Not in a million years. Not in a million years. I don't know how far we want deep we want to get because most of my stuff's towards the end. Okay. Or when the plot thickens. I'm I mostly have when the plot thickens. Because I didn't think it was too there was too much going on.

SPEAKER_02 10:54

I have some ending stuff, and then I have I have a really good wrapping up this whole discussion question. But mine's more uh factoids. Oh, factoids of the movie.

SPEAKER_00 11:07

So I can tell I can tell you some stuff I really liked.

Best Bits From Toy Story 3

SPEAKER_00 11:09

I loved Buzz being the prison guard. Yes. That was th those scenes were funny. Yes. What he did with it, how they did it.

SPEAKER_02 11:16

Yes. How they did it to put in little bins. And then the demo and how they he sp started speaking Spanish and held it.

SPEAKER_00 11:24

That was hilarious. That was the funniest part of the movie by far, was when he became Spanish. Spanish Buzz.

SPEAKER_02 11:30

And he totally lost his fear of flirting with Jesse.

SPEAKER_00 11:34

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 11:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:35

Yeah. I uh because one of the one of the things I enjoyed about the first movie was how much Buzz thought he was the actual toy. Yes. Instead of or he was actually the actual Buzz Lightyear. Buzz Lightyear, not a toy. Yes. Right. And he went right back to that when they switched him. Yeah. When they switched him into demo mode. Exactly. Yeah. Which was hilarious. He went straight to the whole instruction thing where they couldn't figure out the instructions, so they got him to Spanish. That was funny.

SPEAKER_01 11:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:58

That was those were funny scenes. And then when the ins the incinerator scene towards the end.

SPEAKER_01 12:03

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 12:04

When it was the claw. That was funny. That's whenever they say the claw, I laugh, even though I know it's coming.

SPEAKER_02 12:09

So it had been a while since I'd seen this, watch this one. And I knew Lotso was the villain, but I couldn't remember, and I knew that the them going into the incinerator was a big part of the story, but I couldn't remember the details of how they got there and all of that and what happened with Lotso and all of that. Yeah. So it was I'm watching it as and I can't remember the story, the plot line at all from before. So it was like watching it for the first time all over again. Because I remembered like little hints of it, but not the actual movie. So that was that made it really watchable, I would say. Whereas I'd seen Toy Story 4 much more recently, and it wasn't, and maybe that's why I liked this more because it felt fresher. And that's just because I hadn't watched it in such a long time.

SPEAKER_00 12:58

2010.

SPEAKER_02 12:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:00

That's crazy. That's a long time ago now.

SPEAKER_02 13:01

And I know I probably watched it. It's crazy. I've watched it somewhere along the line afterwards. I don't know if I've ever I don't think I've ever seen any of these in the theater.

SPEAKER_00 13:12

Okay. I think I have with Michaela, but to think of 2010 and my youngest being only four years old at the time. Yeah. He grew up, he's 20 now, and he grew up in a one Toy Story world. Because being four years old when it came out. In 2010? Yeah. Of course you watch them all. We watched all the old Disney movies from the 50s and when we were kids. Yeah. Like that kind of stuff. Like I grew up with Lay in the Tramp and those movies in Snow White, right? Even though I was born in the 70s. But to think that he grew up when Toy Story was already hugely popular. Yes. Pixar was already there.

SPEAKER_02 13:49

And that Pixar Disney's credit is they've kept this franchise relevant for now 30 years. Isn't that crazy? Yeah.

Toy Story 5 Money And Disney Strategy

SPEAKER_00 13:58

Isn't that crazy? Thinking what Toy Story 5 is doing at the box office right now.

SPEAKER_02 14:01

Yeah. Have you looked at those numbers?

SPEAKER_00 14:03

Because I have the first weekend.

SPEAKER_02 14:05

How much did it make the first weekend?

SPEAKER_00 14:06

160 million, I think. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 14:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:08

It's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 14:09

Yeah. So it's it's on its way to another billion dollar.

SPEAKER_00 14:13

It might be the highest, highest animated film Disney's ever had by the time it's done. I don't know. Yeah. It's going, I mean, I don't know what it's done since. Yeah. I haven't looked in the last this is the opening weekend I looked, and we're at what two weeks now that we're recording it?

SPEAKER_02 14:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:26

This recording here is two weeks after it came out.

SPEAKER_02 14:28

Just in the U.S.

SPEAKER_00 14:29

alone, it might be a quarter million. Yeah, we can find out in here. We have like the means to find this out.

SPEAKER_02 14:34

You know what was funny? The I as I was looking up different facts about the movie, the creators, the people who, the animators and the writers and everything, watched every prison movie to get ideas about the toys escaping from the daycare. Oh. So there was, and there was aspects of like Cool Han Luke that you felt in that movie. Definitely Cool Han Luke. Right. And which is a great movie, but not a Disney movie, but a great movie. And so, and having recently in the past few months watched Cool Han Luke. It's one of the movies I own. Yeah, I could see Lotto as as kind of fitting in that that kind of sheriff prison morden type role. But he was it was I was watching it and not remembering like the final details and everything. They made him an empathetic villain of like because they got he got left behind with the other toys who were willing to forgive and forget, but he snapped.

SPEAKER_00 15:35

Something in him snapped. We saw that other he saw the other stuff bear.

SPEAKER_02 15:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:39

He saw his replacement, he saw his replacement with his child.

SPEAKER_02 15:43

Yeah, after all that work getting back. No, and neither did the clown.

SPEAKER_00 15:49

No, he just brought them in his thing. Yeah. He said, You guys are with me now.

SPEAKER_02 15:53

But they made him an empathetic villain, and I wondered as I was watching it, are they is he gonna have like a redemption story to this to his story? No. Because he he still ended like being a villain by sending him down into the incinerator, and then he got his his ending. Maybe where he was strapped to the front of the truck and Boba Fett came back. He wasn't redeemed. No, he didn't go down.

SPEAKER_00 16:17

Boba Fett went down the thing, though. He didn't get chewed all the way up over the years. No and spit back spat back up. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 16:23

But like he got tied to the front of the truck, the a garbage truck. Yeah. That was funny.

SPEAKER_00 16:31

That might be a thing, but I don't think he was huge.

SPEAKER_02 16:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:33

A thing. No. Ready for this? Okay, go ahead. As of today, it's estimated to be may have made 610 million worldwide. Worldwide. Wow. On a 250 million production budget. It's a new franchise record becoming the biggest Toy Story opening ever and the highest grossing debut of the year.

SPEAKER_02 16:51

So it's made back its production budget, and so now it's got a its marketing budget.

SPEAKER_00 16:58

Right.

SPEAKER_02 16:58

Which was probably one to two hundred million dollars for the marketing budget.

SPEAKER_00 17:02

Yeah, take that. Take that. Disney can't do this anymore.

SPEAKER_02 17:05

Yeah. All the naysayers. Like how's Mo. The like.

SPEAKER_00 17:08

Well, the remakes don't make. I think they don't do well. I think they make the remakes on purpose to make the relevance and the parks and the merch and the stuff.

SPEAKER_02 17:16

Probably.

SPEAKER_00 17:18

They probably make their money. They wouldn't keep doing it over and over again and not making the money they're making, right? Mm-hmm. Without there being some kind of benefit for them.

SPEAKER_02 17:27

And there is the fact of doing one of these movies every five years. Whereas Mar Moana came out, Morana. It came out not too long ago, and then they had the live action within, well, I don't know, it feels like a couple, three years. So it feels like Moana 2 just came out. Right. And now they're releasing the live action version. Oh, that's weird. I still need to watch the live action Lilo and Stitch. I've heard that was pretty good.

SPEAKER_00 17:49

Have I I don't think I've watched it.

SPEAKER_02 17:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:52

Because it's on Disney Plus now.

SPEAKER_00 17:54

Yeah, I'm bad. I haven't watched Hopper yet.

SPEAKER_02 17:56

You haven't? Uh-uh. I enjoyed that one.

SPEAKER_00 17:58

Yeah, you said it didn't look very good.

SPEAKER_02 18:00

I enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_00 18:01

I'll watch it. I just haven't. I keep almost putting it on. Avatar movie. I started it and I didn't have the bandwidth at the time to pay attention to it. And so I turned it off. Yeah. Because it's a lot to take in.

SPEAKER_02 18:12

You gotta focus on that one.

SPEAKER_00 18:14

Yeah, because so much stuff happens.

SPEAKER_02 18:16

And I'm not the biggest avatar fan. No, we haven't even discussed Avatar at all. And we never will. We could. We could, but we're not.

SPEAKER_00 18:25

You won't watch it.

SPEAKER_02 18:25

I'm not. I'm not I don't want to watch him for that kind of I don't want to do an episode on Avatar.

SPEAKER_00 18:32

That's a lot, that's a lot.

SPEAKER_02 18:33

I just don't want to.

SPEAKER_00 18:34

No, there's no reason to. For us. So it doesn't fit our purview because it's not there's nothing funny about it, I don't think. Yeah. And we'll talk about Flight of Passage.

SPEAKER_02 18:43

We have.

SPEAKER_00 18:44

And we will talk about it again. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:46

So what uh what other notes? Oh, this was the first sequel to win the Academy Award for Best Animation.

SPEAKER_00 18:53

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_02 18:54

Yes, and this was the third sequel to gross one billion worldwide. So Lord of the Rings, Return of the King, and Pirates of the Caribbean. Dead Man's Chest. Those were the first two sequels to gross a million or one billion worldwide.

SPEAKER_00 19:11

We should maybe do a Pirates of the Caribbean thing.

SPEAKER_02 19:13

That I'd be willing to do that we could do. Yeah, because I enjoyed all those are great. I've watched them for a long time. Like five of them?

SPEAKER_00 19:19

And this makes me watch them again.

SPEAKER_02 19:21

And just recently they made that change that everybody's flipping out about at Disneyland with the Pirates of the Caribbean. Yes. Which, sorry, people, you need to just call them your jets.

SPEAKER_00 19:32

I know exactly. There's it's not a big deal.

SPEAKER_02 19:34

I think, yeah, those are a lot of my Toy Story 3.

SPEAKER_00 19:38

I have one more for Toy Story Three, and then I'm out. Ken. Ken's a great character.

SPEAKER_02 19:43

Ken was an awesome character.

SPEAKER_00 19:44

His outfit changes.

SPEAKER_02 19:46

They were and him flipping out because she was tearing him up. Barbie was. And then oh, Barbie wrote us a nice letter, and it was him and then the glow worm, as she's what she's dressed up as Ken and is walking away in high heels, and he likes, oh, whatever, you know, but doesn't actually question the fact that Ken would wear high heels.

SPEAKER_00 20:09

Exactly. Oh, yeah, that's a weirdo.

SPEAKER_02 20:11

It was just hilarious. So they they did a great job.

SPEAKER_00 20:18

So Ken's so hilarious. Kid was a great character.

SPEAKER_02 20:21

Very funny in this. Yeah, they that that was spot on. Okay, I'm gonna have another drink here with the spiciness.

SPEAKER_00 20:27

And as your drink, should we trans trans the Toy Story 4? Mm-hmm. Start talking about that.

Toy Story 4 After A Perfect Ending

SPEAKER_02 20:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:32

So Toy Story Four came out in 2019. Yeah. Which is the year we went to Disney right before COVID.

SPEAKER_02 20:39

Right before COVID. Yes. That family trip that I couldn't go on.

SPEAKER_00 20:42

You couldn't go on, but we went and we saw Forky for the first time in front of Lamplight Lounge. Oh, okay. And had no idea who he was. It was weird. Oh, okay. We had to look him up, and what's a Forky? Yeah. Big Fork thing with weird eyes is sitting there and and red arms for some reason. What's this thing? It was a big big sculpture. Really? Yeah, a big thing in the entrance right before the entrance. Okay. To the right of the doors. Yeah. Someone might have pictures with it.

SPEAKER_02 21:12

I think it was two. I wasn't there for like two months later, a little over two months later. August 19th. Okay. No, August 9th. So between March 30th and August 9th, I did not go to the parks. Right. That that sucked. That sucked.

SPEAKER_00 21:29

Yes. So anyway. So it came out in 2019 to this weird character. Yeah. That I just still don't know what my kids think about him. I should have asked them before this. But it followed it was a follow up to a perfect ending to a to a franchise. The story three had a great ending. It's over, done. Bonnie has the toys.

SPEAKER_01 21:49

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 21:50

Story's over. Great ending. Time to make a little more money. And let's have a new movie come out.

SPEAKER_02 21:55

Yes. Right? They did a great job. And this leads into one of my comments. In a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 22:01

Yeah, Toy Story 4 was I'm it might be my second favorite Toy Story. I don't know. I should rank the first three because I think three is my least favorite all around. That I know, but I don't know what my favorite one is yet. I still there's so many different things I like about all of them, but I really like Toy Story 4.

SPEAKER_02 22:17

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 22:18

Do you like it as much?

SPEAKER_02 22:20

I didn't like it as much. Still enjoyed it. I'm trying to think of what now they didn't do, and maybe that's why I really like two and three because they had that hook. Yeah, this wasn't as emotional. It was Abby, and it was and I was glad she because she had she was a bit of a villain, but she had a redemptive arc. She did. Yeah. And I was and I like that. Yeah. I like for kids. You can come you can do something bad. You can be a bad animal or character. Character. And you can come back from that. Yeah. I like that as part of a kid's movie. Okay. That's fair. So I that aspect. I didn't like the whole road trip in the RV.

SPEAKER_00 23:03

You didn't like the road trip. I thought the funny part of the road trip was how bad the dad had it.

SPEAKER_01 23:09

Yeah, he did. He got screwed.

SPEAKER_00 23:11

He got screwed. I forgot which character it was, and I should have written it down when I was watching today. But one of them wanted to send him to prison, frame him for murder or something to get him to that's how they planned to stop him. I don't know, maybe. It might have been the unicorn.

SPEAKER_02 23:25

It might have been the unicorn.

SPEAKER_00 23:26

But they popped his tire.

SPEAKER_02 23:27

The unicorn.

SPEAKER_00 23:28

They locked him out of the car. He got stopped by cops.

SPEAKER_02 23:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:32

They short-circuited the van the RV so it was driving like at 0.2 miles an hour through the carnival. Yes. And the police were chasing the entire time. They couldn't catch it because he was still going still bumping along. The dad had a bad movie. He did. He was the Griswold at it. He did. It was horrible for him.

SPEAKER_02 23:51

He was the Clark Griswold of the movie.

SPEAKER_00 23:54

So that's what I liked about the road trip.

SPEAKER_02 23:56

So I I don't know. It was a plot, no pun intended, the plot vehicle of getting them why they ended up there.

SPEAKER_00 24:05

They had to move them out of the area somewhere.

SPEAKER_02 24:07

Yeah, yeah. Because and that's the whole idea with the story is you got to move them out of the house.

SPEAKER_00 24:11

Right.

SPEAKER_02 24:12

The story can't necessarily just be placed in the house. Even the first one, they had it went into the neighbor's yard. Right. You know, into Sid's yard.

SPEAKER_00 24:19

Because you had the birthday scene in the first one.

SPEAKER_02 24:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:22

In the house. And then what what else can you do? Yeah. Can you keep doing that over and over again? Exactly.

Forky Gabby Gabby And New Faces

SPEAKER_00 24:27

You have to move out.

SPEAKER_02 24:28

So I like the introduction of the new characters. Again, Key and Peel and the gal who I didn't recognize who she was, Miss Giggles, something. It's a little character. She was really good.

SPEAKER_00 24:41

Who played her? It was a great ensemble.

SPEAKER_02 24:44

Yeah, it was an Asian actress, and I had never heard of her.

SPEAKER_00 24:48

Yeah, so back to Forky really fast. I thought when I first saw him, I thought this is gonna be the stupidest, the dumbest character ever. He was he was kind of funny, though. He was kind of funny.

SPEAKER_02 24:58

Especially, I'm trash, and he wanted to go jump in the garbage can.

SPEAKER_00 25:01

They wrote him well. They did. They did. And when Mrs. Forky came on, I don't think they gave her a name at all. No, they didn't say her name. I was I was looking for a name and they didn't give her a name. I don't know if it's in the credits at all, but she was funny too with the trash, and he was explaining how she's not trash. Yes. Yes, yeah, hilarious. They did very the writing was spot on for making a new character like that. And they did it again. We talked last time about Jesse being one of the best sequel characters. I don't know if Forky gets that kind of status, but for a fourth movie, yes, maybe he does for introducing a new character in a fourth movie of a French. A new major character. Right.

SPEAKER_02 25:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:41

He might be up there in top ten of all time.

SPEAKER_02 25:43

Yeah, not necessarily it's a new major character. And so you always have those side characters. They and they they did a good job explaining why there were a bunch of toys that they removed, about how the younger sister got older and sold off Bo Peep and Wheezy left through garage sales and different things like that. Which so that was what that was one of the things that I thought that they mishandled. So just because if you see a toy at a garage sale and you and somebody buys it, that's with the assumption that they're gonna go to a new home with a child who's gonna play with it. And they were treating it as a negative. That's true. And so I I kind of think they fumbled that bit, but it it helped with the to move the plot along quickly. And to here's the explanation, here you go. It's not just that these things disappeared, here's the reason, but they yeah, it was a little mishandled, I think.

SPEAKER_00 26:44

Just a bit. Yeah, but I get I get what you're also saying that it helped to move the plot along, which had to happen.

SPEAKER_02 26:50

So the the ventriloquist dolls who were all I love the henchmen, I love the way they moved. Hilarious.

SPEAKER_00 26:56

Yes, they moved like dummies, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:59

And then, oh, what was funny, the antique owner, so there's a picture of the guy who fixed Woody in the first movie. There's a picture of him hanging behind her at the cash register, part of the universe, he is her husband.

SPEAKER_00 27:14

Oh, and it tied the first movie to the fourth movie. Wow, and I saw a few other things in there. Christy thought she saw the a grape soda cap in a scene. Okay, but there was also someone there was also the cane from up was in there somewhere. Carl I read that online though. I didn't see in the movie.

SPEAKER_02 27:32

Yes, Carl and Ellie are part of the universe that they talk about.

SPEAKER_00 27:36

And there's one other one that I read online that I did not see in the movie. I didn't notice it from a different Pixar movie. It was some kind of it was in the it was in the yeah, it was in the store. But anyway, I thought I think they're very good at creating new characters because should we move on to a different character?

Duke Kaboom Woody And The Future

SPEAKER_02 27:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:52

Duke Kaboom.

SPEAKER_02 27:53

Oh, he was hilarious.

SPEAKER_00 27:55

Keanu Reeves. Keanu Reeves and nailed it. Nailed it, and he didn't sound I mean, you can still tell it was him. And then once you knew it was him, but it didn't sound exactly like Keanu Reeves.

SPEAKER_01 28:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:06

He did a very good job with his voice. French Canadian. French Canadian. French Canadian. Yeah. Can we do it? Yes, we Canada. That's a great line.

SPEAKER_02 28:17

He was another really good addition in that one, too. They added a lot of new characters into this one that yeah, that were really good.

SPEAKER_00 28:26

And it hit me, it hit me a little harder, probably, because I one of my favorite toys growing up was my evil cineval dog. I had an evil can evil with a motorcycle and a ramp. I had the whole setup. Oh, did you? Oh, yeah. Okay. You revved it back. Yeah. And he went on the ramp and he flew in the air further than Duke Kaboom did when he his first with his his bo his child. He went about two inches off that ramp and the kid threw him away. I think our camera went off again. Yeah. I know. Our YouTube recording sucks.

SPEAKER_02 28:55

I had a friend. I think you had a friend who had evil. So the only thing with four, the only, and this is a question, and this isn't my wrap-up question.

SPEAKER_00 29:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 29:06

How are they gonna write and it makes me want to go see five? Yeah, I know nothing about five on purpose. Neither do I. I don't want to know it until I go see it. How are they gonna write Woody back end of the fifth movie? I don't know. He doesn't have a voice box.

SPEAKER_00 29:19

He's even voice boxless.

SPEAKER_02 29:20

Yeah. He doesn't have a snake in his boots anymore. Yeah, how do they how are that is the one thing of why I want to go see Woody Story Five with six hundred and some million dollars?

SPEAKER_00 29:32

There's gotta be a reason.

SPEAKER_02 29:33

There's gotta be a reason why Woody.

SPEAKER_00 29:35

People are going back to it.

SPEAKER_02 29:36

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 29:37

Someone's watching it more than once.

SPEAKER_02 29:38

And I didn't look just the at the cast to see if he was actually in the movie, but I assume of course he has to be. He has to be. He's the the number one character.

SPEAKER_00 29:49

He was and and this brought like I talked about a Toy Story 3, wasn't much of a Woody movie. This brought Woody back. It did, it was a Woody, and I like that. Yeah, I think he might be my favorite character. I when I saw one the first time, I remember how much I like Buzz. I'm a huge Tim Allen fan.

unknown 30:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:06

Not that I don't love Tom Hanks, who who doesn't. No, yeah, exactly. If you like acting or movies, yeah, or film or TV, you like Tom Hanks.

SPEAKER_02 30:16

Right? It's entertainment.

SPEAKER_00 30:17

If you like entertainment at all, Tom Hanks is one of your favorites.

SPEAKER_02 30:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:21

But but I love Woody. I'm a huge Woody fan. I would wear a Woody Woody stuff to the parks. I should get a Woody outfit for the Disney parks.

SPEAKER_02 30:28

I knew somebody, he looked like a human version of Woody.

SPEAKER_00 30:32

Oh, that's funny.

SPEAKER_02 30:33

He was tall, super thin, looked almost exactly like him. I think he dressed up as Woody for one Halloween. But I remember he was a friend of a friend, and I knew him, and we would all kind of hang out together. But the mutual friend of ours had young kids, and he walked into the room, and one of these three-year-olds goes, Hey, it's the real Woody. As he walked in, he totally looked like Woody.

SPEAKER_00 31:01

I just saw this when I'm looking at the cast. The Carney. Oh, yeah, yeah. You know who played the Carney? No. Bill Hayter. Really? Didn't even rec didn't even see that. Did not even see that. I just saw it on my phone. Didn't recognize the voice.

SPEAKER_02 31:15

Is that hilarious? Okay. And I like looking because there's a lot of times I can't figure it out. Boy, that's really right. But Shaw. Kristen Shaw. Who's I don't know who that is. She played the Triceratops. Triceratops.

SPEAKER_00 31:29

Oh, she's great. She is super funny. She's in Fly of the Concords. Oh, is she? One of my favorite shows ever. That it's a very niche show.

SPEAKER_01 31:38

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 31:39

It's very niche people like it. Like me. It's my kind of humor. I love, love, love it. And she's our only and biggest fan. Okay. Fly of the Concords. She's like a diehard Fly of the Concords fan. She is amazing in the movie.

SPEAKER_02 31:51

She is in this Robert Radford Nick Nolte movie called A Walk in the Woods. Hilarious in that movie. She's one of those periphery type. She's I don't think she's really the leading lady, but all of her characters are just so great.

SPEAKER_00 32:08

She plays them really well. She's good. And yeah. She's good. The other thing I want to talk about is Buzz's inner voice. Yes. That was also good.

SPEAKER_02 32:16

Yes, that was true because he didn't understand what Woody was talking about with the inner voice.

SPEAKER_00 32:21

So good too. So good too. So yeah, I like this movie a lot. So many good things in it. So many good new characters. It was gonna begin with three, four, four great new characters with Key and Peel's characters. Were they Bubby and Ducky or whatever they were called?

SPEAKER_02 32:36

Yeah, rabbit and ducky.

SPEAKER_00 32:38

Rabbit and Ducky. But they were funny. I mean, I laughed. I knew they were gonna jump in the guy's face every time.

SPEAKER_02 32:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:43

I still laughed every time.

SPEAKER_02 32:44

Yeah, that's yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:45

They sold it to me every time, even though I knew it was gonna happen.

SPEAKER_02 32:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:48

Because that's how funny they are.

SPEAKER_02 32:49

Attacking that woman.

SPEAKER_00 32:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:50

The store owner.

SPEAKER_00 32:52

With and Duke Kaboom and Forky. That's three really good characters.

SPEAKER_02 32:57

Miss Giggles.

SPEAKER_00 32:58

Right. Miss Giggles. Right.

SPEAKER_02 33:00

Yeah. They did really good with this one. I'm interested on five now.

SPEAKER_00 33:04

After our discussion right now, I want to see five even more.

SPEAKER_02 33:07

And now it makes me appreciate four because of all the pieces. And I don't know if it I was feeling rushed watching it. Maybe. I still enjoyed three. I think it was the least liked of all of them. Was it? I don't know. I believe so. Okay. As far as like the rating. It was the first one not to get 100% on Rotten Tomatoes. It got a 90%.

SPEAKER_00 33:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 33:32

Which is still.

SPEAKER_00 33:33

They're all they're all good. It depends on what you like.

SPEAKER_02 33:35

It's they're all good. But having back to back to back to back. But so this was the fourth one we'd watched recently. So I might have been getting a little tired of watching Toy Story movies.

SPEAKER_00 33:47

Well, since we watched two to make this episode, that's yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:50

It was good. Okay.

Will Toy Story Ever Jump The Shark

SPEAKER_00 33:52

One more thing before we're going to do that. One more thing, one more thing. A wrap-up question. Really quick. I just thought of this. Does this franchise having all great movies make you think that we should have an Incredibles, new Incredibles movie? Because those are all so good. I don't know. Yeah, that's a good good question to ponder.

SPEAKER_02 34:09

So here I've I don't know if I've watched the second Incredibles. You haven't? Or if I've watched the if I haven't watched the first. I think that one just didn't grab me. Oh, I love it. That one grabbed me. I I love Incredibles. And so Zootopia might be my Incredibles for you. Okay. I don't know. I don't love Love It. I mean, but I think they're so so good. I'll have to go back and rewatch those and how those are part of the universe.

SPEAKER_00 34:35

Just a question I had. Go ahead. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 34:38

Wrap up. Do you think Toy Story will ever jump the shark? So they've got the fifth one now. Okay. It's doing fantastic. People are going to watch it. They're going to love it. Is there ever a point where this franchise will jump the shark? And for those who don't know what that phrase means, it's a reference to Happy Days where they do something desperate to keep the series going and it just bombs rating ratings-wise. So Happy Days, Fonzi jumped literally jumped a shark as a stunt in the show, and it was it was to drum up some ratings as the show was dying.

SPEAKER_00 35:22

Yes. But if it sucks, they'll abandon it and won't it won't come out. I think they're developing scripts for a sequel to everything. And if it doesn't work, it doesn't work.

SPEAKER_02 35:32

And yeah, they abandon it after the script.

SPEAKER_00 35:34

Right. They just don't release it to us until they know we don't we don't even hear about it until they think they have an idea.

SPEAKER_02 35:40

And I think with this one they've done it, well, five movies in 30 years. I think that's just perfect. Right. I think that's what's killed Star Wars is we got too much Star Wars. Too fast. 250 got it.

SPEAKER_00 35:53

They started throwing stuff fastballs at our face.

SPEAKER_02 35:55

Star Wars every year.

SPEAKER_00 35:57

Right.

SPEAKER_02 35:57

And that's too much. Uh-huh. It doesn't build up that desire to see it. So as long as they keep it like every four to six years, which probably means Tom Hanks might have a couple more in him. True.

SPEAKER_00 36:11

But then they have other characters develop to get the franchise going.

SPEAKER_02 36:15

Who knows? It doesn't work though without Woody.

SPEAKER_00 36:18

It could, we don't know. I think that jumps the shark. It depends on their stories, though. If they develop it correctly and spend the time, like you said, the time developing the show and the movie, it could work. Or they could just abandon it and just say, let's move on. Yeah, I think I think they'll move on.

SPEAKER_02 36:36

Yeah, I think they'll move on. No, I don't think this is the last one. I think they'll do another one. Although it'll be hard to because Bonnie, the next one, will be too old. And who does she pass them along to? And there's gonna be the the toys are.

SPEAKER_00 36:51

I mean, who plays with like a 1912? I mean, if I gave my G a 1950s right, if I gave Eli my G.I. Joe doll, my 12-inch G.I. Joe doll, my evil can evil I just talked about, yeah, he would toss it to the side like that little girl did to Barbie, to Gabby Gabby.

SPEAKER_02 37:06

Gabby Gabby. She pulled her strings. Yeah. Well, that's what she did with Barbie, too. The Andy's younger sister. Right. She just well, we gotta get rid of stuff. Eh, she threw Barbie into there. I think as long as Tom Hanks and Tim Allen are willing to come back, it works. I think if they ever left and they tried to make a movie without both of them, that is the jump the shark. I think so too. I agree.

SPEAKER_00 37:36

I agree. Because look what Lightyear did.

SPEAKER_02 37:38

Yeah. I mean Yeah. It is their chemistry as characters that is the main thing that worked with this. Right. Is that they became their friends or tight friends, which makes me really want to see five because okay, how are they gonna come back and start hanging out again?

SPEAKER_00 37:56

Now I do too.

SPEAKER_02 37:57

Yeah, totally. So there you go.

Final Thoughts And How To Reach Us

SPEAKER_02 38:00

There is Toy Story three and four. And three and four. So you you got one and two last week, now you got three and four. What are your thoughts? Let us know. Let us know. Cheers, the number two, ears, the number one, at Outlook.com. And if you could go on, like, subscribe, share, follow, heart, do all those things that your platform asks you to do, that would be really great for us. Leave us a review. And until next week, cheers. Cheers.