The Opposite of Stress (w/Katelyn Lehman)

What if your life wasn't run by stress? And instead of being a frantic maniac, you constantly experienced a Bob Ross level of chill, with or without the sweet, huge hair? Find out how you can do that when Brendan talks to Dr. Katelyn Lehman, PH.D, author, speaker and founder of Quantum Clinic.

They float in chillness and discuss:

• Brain and heart coherence and why it's so important. 
• Why the longest journey you take is from your head to your heart. 
• What it's actually like reading books. 
• How you can unlock the natural Wi-Fi signal in your own body. 
• And the most inappropriate music to be playing when you're waiting for medical results. 

RESOURCES
Dr. Katelyn Lehman
Quantum Clinic
The Quantum Field Theory
Music You Should Not Listen to When You're Waiting for Medical Results

Transcript

All right, everybody, welcome to a brand new episode of Spiritual Asshole. I'm so excited to be joined by Caitlin Lehman, did it correctly, author, speaker, and co founder of the Quantum Clinic in LA, which is where we are right now. This is incredible. Thank you for having me. It's my pleasure to be here. 

I'm so glad. So one of the things that happens at the Quantum Clinic is you get to go into a float of water. Is the water made of tears because it's Los Angeles and everyone is crying that they didn't book the Wendy's commercial. Absolutely. 

LA people are like, why didn't they pick me? I'm so excited. So we were talking about how you founded this a little bit and this is mostly your [00:09:00] vision, right? So how did you come to this place? yeah, so actually this place came to me, through a process of what's called path work or dream work. 

And so, uh, During and after the pandemic, I started connecting inwardly with my own innate wisdom and trusting the intelligence of the universe to speak through me. and that all may sound a little woo woo, but I just had a, you know, a series of dreams that said you should go to the river. There's something on the river. 

You had actual dreams, actual dreams. Whoa. That's so like the images were coming to you. I kept having a series of dreams which invited me to come here to the Los Angeles river where we're at right now. Everyone's favorite destination. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, Frogtown is where it's at. No, no, it's gotten better. 

It's gotten better. Frogtown is where it's at. Frogtown. Frogtown. We have such an amazing community here. yeah. You know, and, and it's growing all the time. It's a really wonderful that we have lots of different community events. Well, you started [00:10:00] it. I mean, this is a huge part of the revival, but in general, I'm just saying LA River is not the best place, but when it rains and it gets full, it's nice. 

I also want to like, can, can we, can we go? Okay. Because this is a particular seven mile stretch of the LA River, which is not like the rest of the LA River. It, um, We're elitists. It is, it is. We're part of the coastal elite of the elite. It could not be cemented over by the Army Corps of Engineers because of the, um, water that come the groundwater that comes up in this particular stretch. 

Okay, so not only was it not cemented over completely preserving some of its natural habitat in the center of the river, it also was not straightened. So this part of the river, if you look back to the original maps in Los Angeles, actually maintains its original curve. Yeah. And we're just north of where the original indigenous people of the Tongva tribes [00:11:00] had their ancestral fishing, foraging, and community spaces, which were kind of like a little on the other side of Elysian Hill from here where Dodgers Stadium is. 

What's it like being able to read books?  

Wow, I'm taken by that. This person reads. That was awesome. I was like, wow, so this is what it's like to have books in your life. Okay. That's so cool. Well, I want to, yeah, I want to talk more about these dreams. So So, do you feel like, how did you get to a place where you think that you were receptive to that even? 

Do you know what I'm saying? Sure. Like, how did you even, cause some people have dreams and it's like, oh whatever, that was a stupid dream. How did you know that this one was like, your truth? Hmm. Well, I didn't. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? I think, I think ultimately what being on a spiritual path requires of us is a sense of curiosity. 

Yeah. About our [00:12:00] inner experience and about the relationship between what we're manifesting in our life and what goes on internally. So I'm a little bit of a weirdo now. Come on. Um, and well, it's true. 

I grew up in a school where we learned to count by tossing beanbags to our friends, where we would do practice a particular type of movement using copper rods with no shoes out in the grass to ground ourselves and to reset our energetic systems in our, in our bodies and our minds. It's called Waldorf. 

Some people may be familiar with what a Waldorf education is like, but it's a little, it's a little bit outside of the norm for most things. Get out of here. And, and actually very specifically designed to support the child's spiritual development. There's this notion of everybody having a soul, right? 

And that it is possible to know your soul. And so I've kind of been on that path since I was a little kid. Did your parents go to jail for this? [00:13:00] No. They have not served hard time. So, were your parents super hippies? Um, no. Actually, both my mom and my dad were certified public accountants. Oh my God. From the Midwest and Connecticut. 

But then as, when I was a little girl, my mom, my folks split, I'm a child of divorce, and my mom remarried and she and my stepdad both have their doctorate in transpersonal psychology. Okay. and my dad's still a businessman and an accountant. So, I just, I don't know. I think that, I was born and raised in California and certainly some folks might, consider it outside of the norm, but I'm a product of the education and the environment that I came from. 

So, okay. I mean, so you were Elvin Veslo. Well, I was raised that if you, at all thought about your soul, you were considered gay. So that's, that's actually, it's not really far from the truth. I'm not really kidding. Well, just like nobody was talking like this when I grew up, I grew up in a very traditional religious [00:14:00] household in the suburbs of Chicago and the white suburbs of Chicago. 

So, um, That's why I'm so hopeful all the time, because I see a susceptible world that people are really welcoming this. Stuff like this. Yeah, waking up to a different way of being. And perhaps challenging some of the assumptions and beliefs that guided their own upbringing. But what's so interesting about you is that you also combine, I feel like a really intense scientific way of looking at it. 

So what is like the beautiful intersection to you of science and spirituality? What is like something that blows your mind that holy cow at this intersection I'll give you an example that I'm blown away by near death experiences. Yeah. The fact that I just had someone, an NDA person, I'm the fact that most of them are almost exactly the same spiritual imagery of a tunnel. 

I feel nothing but love. you could scientifically say that's hallucinating if you want. I don't know what it is, but isn't it ironic that that's what it is, that of all the hallucinations, you could be having a [00:15:00] hallucination of a chicken playing ping pong, let's say it is a hallucination. I wish I don't think it is, but let's just say it is. 

It's like you're hallucinating that you're pure love and light. That's a pretty fucking great hallucination. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's like, okay, well, if that's true, thank you. amazing. Yeah. So, like, what do you think is like, wow, this science and spirituality coming together, incredible. Well, I, I think we just happen to live at a time Yeah. 

When that is what's happening. Right. These ancient, spiritual and mystical truths Truths are now becoming more and more empirically validated through this process of scientific inquiry. So for me and in our work here at quantum clinic and how we support our clients is by encouraging them to become more attuned to and aware of the information that originates from the energetic center of your heart. 

Love it. We're talking about heart coherence now. [00:16:00] Heart brain coherence or coherence in general, yes. Okay, so why is that important? I was just talking to you about Dispenza. One of the things that Dispenza says is like, when you achieve heart coherence, you start emitting kind of a Wi Fi signal? heard him say this? 

I have, yes. But what if the Wi Fi, you don't know the password? 

And you're like, this wifi sucks and it's not working. Well, but that's, that's exactly it, right? Like we are our own emitters of this information, right? And we can practice unlocking the codes to our own wifi. So there must be an openness, a receptiveness to That type of inquiry, right? Yes. It's often said that the longest journey that we ever take is that from our head to our heart. 

Yeah, oh my god. Who said that? And many people. Was this another book? My god, I gotta get into these [00:17:00] books! Actually, we're thinking about putting a little free library at Quantum Clinic. You should! You can come and visit us. You can read all of our spiritual books, our favorites. So let's talk a little bit about exactly what is heart coherence or what is coherence. 

It doesn't have to be heart. What is coherence in general? Yeah. So coherence refers to the synchronized entrainment of heart rate, variability, respiration, and blood pressure. Okay. Right. So you want to think about it as it's a state. Okay. That can be practiced and, experienced, right? it's a way in which your full, your total sensory experience. 

 So that could be thoughts that could be sensations that could be images. It could be feelings. It could be any variety of things. It could even be things in our external environment, which allow us to perceive things. something beyond that. And that's what we refer to as the [00:18:00] spiritual heart. So it's about presencing for what is in a particular moment and an acknowledgement of the fullness and the totality of one's experience. 

 Okay. And coherence as it's referred to in the psychological and medical literature leads to essentially a cascading effect of positive. Neurological, physiological changes and neurochemical changes in the brain and the body. Yeah. So it's like the opposite of stress. Yes. So we're going to get into stress. 

Don't, don't you worry. Oh yeah. Don't you worry about that. But I do want to talk about how do we know when we're in a coherent state? What does that feel like to you? How do we know that? Yeah. Well, it can be measured. Oh, cool. So that's one of the things that we do here at Quantum Clinic is we do a guided biofeedback driven meditation to support you in knowing what it feels like. 

Okay. We want you to have that experience in an embodied way and say like, Oh yeah, this is what that feels like. What does it [00:19:00] feel like to you? Like, what does that feel like to you personally? It's hard to describe. Yeah. How do you describe the absence of stress? Well, honestly, the best definition that I've heard is dispenses saying you're no thing, no one in no time and in nowhere. 

And I don't really think you can describe that to people until you experience it. That's exactly right. It's like telling somebody about a rollercoaster. You're like, well, you should just get on the fucking rollercoaster. Yeah. Another way of saying you are no, what is it? No thing, no one and nowhere and no time and no time. 

Right. That also means you are fully here in this now. I love that. you did say on a podcast though, that your heart can be five times, 5, 000 times more powerful than the brain. So, it refers to a ratio of Electromagnetic information that's emitted from a particular region, right? So, all cells in the body emit a small but measurable electromagnetic charge. 

The heart generates the [00:20:00] largest field. Crazy. And it can be measured about five to seven feet away from the body. Oh my god. It's also believed to be sort of the portal to entanglement phenomena. Okay. Expanded states of consciousness, energy healing. All of these things are believed to be operating through a practice of attunement and harmonization with this universal life force that, drives all of existence. 

So five to seven feet is the wifi signal that also describes the wifi signal at a roughly, but then you can tap into somebody else's wifi. Oh my God. Amplify it. So if you're all, if you're in a group of coherent beings, there's an amplification effect. Oh my God. Does this describe like a really cool DJ house party? 

Hell yes. Okay. So can you tell, you did talk about a technique that you can [00:21:00] do to really boost your heart coherence. Do you remember this? Focus, activate, radiate? Yeah, that's probably it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, just to keep it simple, stupid, right? We want to focus on the energetic center of our heart. Activate a loving, positive, or life affirming emotional state, right? 

What does it feel like right now to experience joy, to experience deep gratitude? There's a real feeling state that, that is a part of it, right? You can't, um, they say you've got to feel it to heal it, but it's the practice of sustained positive, heartfelt emotions. And then radiating those feelings or that energy throughout the body and, and connecting to an experience of a field, right? 

So how long do you think that it would take you to start getting that sick wifi signal before you? Um, you could probably do it in less than a minute. Wow. If you focus down, drop down, focus on your heart. Yeah. Okay. But then once you become aware of it. [00:22:00] Right. Once you become aware of your own wifi signal and your ability to modulate the frequency of that. 

Yeah. You can become more capable of accessing it whenever you want. Wow. This is better than the wifi at a day's end. For sure. Just a heads up. At a day's end. At a day's end, man. Okay. So let's talk about the opposite of this, which is stress, right? Yeah. Which is such a plague, specifically on our American culture. 

I don't think people realize. The insane detriment stress has on our lives. And we've just all, not only have we accepted it as normal, we've almost accepted it as mandatory. Yeah. In American culture. Why is that? What the hell? Well, you're, you're asking big questions here. Certainly. I don't have all of the answers. 

I do really believe that there's a policy issue happening right now. There's, you know, sort of systemic, both racial and economic. realities that people are facing, which make it very difficult to [00:23:00] overcome, the stressors of daily living, poverty, economic injustice, racial injustice. All of these are, are systemic and institutionalized things that are operating to suppress and oppress people from achieving higher states of, joy, fulfillment, creativity. 

Yeah, right. there's also significant, you know, vested interest in a particular, way of, of seeing disease. Right. Oh, yeah. Right. Right. And things are starting to shift in the medical community. Right. Um, to understand that, there may be a different way to conceptualize disease. when someone is out of harmony versus and experiencing symptom of disease, right? 

Right. Is this sort of, why don't you just pop this pill? Why don't you just take this prescription? That model of [00:24:00] doing things came from a certain set of assumptions and the new paradigm of healing is understanding health and human functioning at a deeper level. which actually, Is changing. 

but slowly. Yeah, and I think we're also leaving out a big word here. It's a little thing called money. You guys heard of it? Well, our country, if it's a capitalist system, it's also, we're one of the only two countries in the world that can have pharmaceutical ads on TV. Two or three. It's some crazy number. 

And we don't realize the impact of that. We can sit here and say like, I'm not affected by ads. That's not true at all. If I see somebody like eating a burger on TV, I'm like, I should probably have a burger. It's that simple that we think pharmaceutical drugs are the solution to everything. 

And I'm not, I don't want to sit here. This is not massive, like anti farmy rant, but. It is so pervasive. Look, I think there's a time and a place for pharmaceutical interventions, especially as someone who comes from a [00:25:00] background in clinical psychology. If you're in a state of acute psychosis or you're having a manic episode, sometimes lithium or an antipsychotic drug is the only thing that's going to bring you down. 

Wow. Okay. There's nothing wrong with that. Right, but for folks who are dealing with normal adversity, the stressors of daily life Yes, like the things that just keep us weighed down Chronic pain is another one. Really there is no treatment for You can get surgery or you can take pain medications, but that's kind of kind of it and often there are significant consequences to that. 

so quantum clinic really serves as a, as an alternative to the over medicalization of chronic inflammatory and stress related disease. Yes. and it's a space for people to really rest, right? To rest supported by a body of water with over 1500 pounds of Epsom salts. Wow. Alleviating 95 percent of the effect of gravity on the body. 

and supporting you and accessing [00:26:00] again this innate wisdom that everyone has been preaching about. throughout time. But now we're beginning to understand kind of what, how science and spirituality come together in that way. When you opened this clinic, were you at all concerned that when people be floating, they would think, wow, this is a great time to pee. 

We do invite customers to use the restroom before their service. I'm so relaxed. You know what would make this more relaxing? Peeing. Lots and lots of uncontrollable peeing. but, but rest assured we have a, It's a state of the art micron filtration system that uses ozone as well as part of its, filtration, uh, between sessions. 

So it produces a certified drinking water quality. Oh my god! But again, because of the volume of Epsom salts in the water, you wouldn't want to drink it. Yeah. Alright, I won't drink it. But why do you think stress is so detrimental to our bodies? You mentioned inflammation. All these studies are coming out now saying that inflammation is the cause of almost all disease. 

Why do you think stress is so detrimental? [00:27:00] Well, I mean, the stress response is adaptive, actually. It's very important for us when we experience an acute stressor to be able to have a stress response and then return to a healthy baseline. The problem in our society is that we experience chronic stress, stress that is enduring and does not reset itself easily. 

Minds and bodies are unable to achieve and reset ourselves so that we can then show up more fully to Whatever's going on in our life, right? And those are the types of skills that we practice and teach and empower our clients with here is to learn the skills to reset that system for yourself so that you can break the cycle of chronic stress, chronic fatigue, chronic overwhelm, and live a more joyful, Thriving healthy whole life. 

Yeah. I saw [00:28:00] Bruce Lipton maybe two months ago and he's like, you were meant to have a stress response for five minutes after a lion was chasing you. Exactly. Not for 23 hours. Because you're a doom scrolling and the news is blasting you with the world over headlines constantly. That's exactly right. Right. 

So like you're blowing out your, you're literally blowing out your system. But our culture is moving in that direction and we don't have the power to stop that. Right. Right? So what's important, and part of the reason I started Quantum Clinic, is then if that's true and our culture just is that way, then I think we also need spaces where we can disconnect from that. 

Right. A Denny's. A Denny's. I'll get the moons over Miami, please. Wow! I actually just went to the Denny's in Glendale, it was actually wonderful. I'm sure it is. Yes. I will say this though, too. I think the internet has given, has shown us that it's not a monolithic culture. Oh no. Right. So it's like, I can choose to tune all this out. 

I can come to the quantum [00:29:00] clinic three times a week and have a great fucking life. Oh yeah. And that is awesome. Yes. We're not a slave to the news. because we see options and it's creating a fragmented culture, but the fragmentation I think is very helpful. having more choice of a life we actually want to live. 

Yeah. I, I think you're bringing up some really important points. I like, I like to use the analogy of a holographic fractal system, right? Like, um, every, if you think of the whole universe as being like pixelated on some level, if you really, really drill down, then every point must contain the whole. 

It's a, there's a similar concept in Buddhism where you think of the universe as a spiders of multi dimensional spiders web covered in morning dew. And each drop of dew contains a reflection of the entire web. So you are that. Tat Bam Asi. Yeah. Right. We are that. We are a representation of the [00:30:00] whole of the universe embodied in this individual cell of a human being which is itself comprised of, I don't know, I don't know how many, guys how many cells are there in the body? 

Millions? Billions? It doesn't matter. Nobody reads in this podcast. Sorry. Sorry. But again, it's the same concept, right? Yeah. That there's this, scale invariant. organizing principle or operating principle, which transcends our experience. So what I guess I'm saying is the internet has showed us that we are these fractals. 

Whereas before it was like, no, you're this, you're Catholic. Okay. Or we did not even know how to see the dew drop a hundred percent. Or, or we couldn't, because our cultural, Institutions, right? Religious organizations, familial, cultural backgrounds. Those were our, our main identity. And with the advent of the internet and social media and all of these things, it's providing us with a [00:31:00] basis to explore our identities in ways that maybe we couldn't have before. 

Yeah. And also a little thing called psychedelics. Yes. That's been really helpful to me, for me to see the fractals. Well, because you literally see the fractals. Yeah, you're literally seeing the fractals. What do you think about psychedelic medicine? What's your thoughts? You know, I think there's a time and a place for it. 

Yeah. In everybody's journey. Often, it's not uncommon that psychedelic work leads to trauma. contemplative practice, spiritual practice. what I like to say to clients who come in, cause we do get a lot of folks who are like, Whoa, I just went on this amazing Iowa. It's so LA man. It's so LA. Or I just like am microdosing mushrooms every day now. 

I feel so great. I'm a chocolate mushroom dealer now. And look, like no, on that, but we also see a need for spaces and places where people can really integrate these transformative life altering experiences and really bring it into their bodies so that they [00:32:00] can be that in the world. Because what we need right now more than anything is more people fully embodying their truth And you know speaking that truth as they perceive it right and experience it doesn't mean it's all airy fairy light and fluffy Bullshit, right? 

A spiritual path is often very clear right and boundaried But it and it's not all about just the positives, right? Yeah, but we do need to begin to understand the relationship between You our inner emotional and landscape and how that affects us, in our bodies. Okay. So that's, that's the dance that we do in the dance that we try and support people in discerning for their own self. 

Yeah. Like I think that it's all leading you back to you. And like, I, I've been doing psychedelics this last year and a half changed my life, made me super happy. But now that I discovered Joe Dispenza and like work like this. I'm really, I'm even more excited to know [00:33:00] that I don't have to do psychedelics to get to the same state. 

That's exactly right. Psychedelics often open the door. Yes, the door. To an experience of, oh wow, like, holy shit, there's this, all of this is possible? All of this is possible. And, yes, all, all of it, and so much more is actually possible inside of your own self. And you don't need the psychedelic necessarily to, you know, experience that. 

There are other ways. I love that. So I guess what you're trying to do is get people more connected to their bodies. What does it look like for people to be disconnected from our own bodies besides the Republican National Convention?  

What is a disconnected person? What does that look like? A stressed out, a stressed out person, uh, somebody who's in survival mode? Well. Oftentimes there's a, there's a real reactivity to that, right? It's somebody who maybe isn't even fully aware of how disconnected they really are from [00:34:00] themselves. 

Ultimately, no matter what your therapeutic orientation as a, as a psychotherapist or a helping professional, All of these teachings come back to our role here as embodied beings is to be in the practice of increasing and developing our awareness of self, right? And through that practice of becoming more aware of who we are and what we're here for, et cetera, et cetera. 

self healing, self growth, self actualization, right? That is what heals. Nothing else can heal. I cannot heal you. Yeah, you cannot heal me in relationship together. We may be able to heal ourselves But it is through that process of developing greater awareness of the self Whatever that is. Yes that you can achieve higher states of Health. 

So what do you say to those people who are like the idea of being alone in a float tank for 60 minutes is terrifying Good. Right? We, what we would call that is [00:35:00] grist for the mill. Oh. Right? Okay. if, if it's a little unnerving for you, yeah, ask yourself, okay, what is that about? Right? Because I think ultimately, I'm not saying that this is for everyone. 

Yeah. Certainly it's not. There are lots of different ways to practice connecting to yourself, but if you're someone who's like, Ooh, just even the idea of spending. 60 minutes alone with yourself is threatening. That might be a signal that it could be exactly what you need. A hundred percent. And I would tell people like it can only get better if we weren't so scared of, I had a great, parts work therapist on and she said, I've never met anybody who's dove into their own psyche and didn't love themselves more. 

Exactly. Which is, that's so hopeful. That is so true. And the exterior of that is terrifying, but just know that when you do go in, you almost have to love yourself more. Yes. Cause I think there is a fear that people have when they're in that much stillness. You'll [00:36:00] just hear a voice be like, Hey, you're a piece of shit. 

Just remember. So that's what I think is tough. Yeah. I, and maybe people have those voices. Yes. I mean, I certainly have had those voices. And I have too at different stages of my life. I don't believe you. Yeah, I have, I have. Um, not in a long time, but I have, right. Those parts of me are not as salient as they may have been in my past. 

Right. but worthlessness is a very common theme for folks. Hopelessness, that's what you're speaking about. This, like you're a piece of shit. Automatic thought, right. Is, is a representation of something deeper. Which is feeling like I'm not worthy of having a positive relationship with myself, of giving myself that love and that support. 

So, you know, again, more than anything we want folks to know that Quantum Clinic is here as a resource for them. We're here, we're a group of trained mental health professionals. And, you know, folks come to us at all different stages of their lives. you know, self [00:37:00] exploration. Yeah. Do you have any good stories about transformations, either yourself with the clinic or meditative states or realizations, things that happen in floating or with the clinic that were mind blowing or interesting? 

Oh, tons. I mean, countless transformations. Folks come in here carrying all sorts of life stressors, right? That's, you know, why often people will come in. And in just one hour's time, right, folks come out of the tank, their whole body is relaxed. You can see it. They have like a glowy look on their face. 

Their eyes sparkle, right? There's like something so palpable about the transformation, but it also, Doesn't necessarily translate immediately to word which is what before before the podcast we were showing some of the artwork that folks Yeah, I'll film it too. I want people to see it. Yeah, so so there's a we've we've chosen to create this space as an expressive arts Space it's awesome to [00:38:00] facilitate that integration of these energetic. 

It's like an IKEA in here, but not terrifying Like an Aikido? No, I'm just kidding, I'm just kidding. She just got so mad. Like, like Montessori. Yeah, she just got Montessori. No, it's not like an Aikido. It really feels like the future in here. I was like, was this in the Matrix when I walked in here? When I first walked in here. 

It's awesome. We have, we have a body map and some pastels and crayons that you can draw. We have clay, that you can use to, you know, like, do little figurines. We have, sand tray and collage, right? A lot of people will bring a journal and spend like really spend some time here after their experience integrating it. 

Yeah. I just think like to go back to what you said about people's transformations when they get out. I just want more people to realize like that actually is, can be your normal state, not the coked out, stressed out, coffeeed out maniac who's like, ah, like describes New York city where I lived for 12 years. 

I love New York. Wow. [00:39:00] love New York. How do you handle the stress of that place? I can't even picture you there. You just float above it. Oh my God. It's like my happy place. Really? Oh my God. Yes. This is a big shock to me. Yeah. New York city is. I don't know that I could live there. Have you learned about, like, that it's built on some sort of slab? 

And that's why it's so charged? No, that makes total sense. It fully feels charged. Because it is, geologically. Wow! I'm going to look up some books after this episode. okay. So you said this great posts and then we'll play a quick game that I love so much. You said you are under no obligation to be the person you were five minutes ago, but what if five minutes ago you were Ryan Gosling? 

Ooh, it might be worth continuing to be that person. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, Oh, that's pretty good. But, but I think this goes back to the breakthroughs I've had with Dispenza. It's so amazing to not feel like you have to be tied to your past. And [00:40:00] when you enter into the quantum field or you enter into this incredible space, you get to become no one with no story. 

So what do you think about that? Talk about it. Yeah. I mean, we're speaking about universal spiritual truths, right? And no matter who. Your teacher is right. Ultimately a lot of these spiritual traditions are speaking to what is possible when we transcend the ego mind. Yes. one of the things I just want to say is like the quantum field or the unified field, it's actually never separate from us. 

Yes. Like it's never not there. A hundred percent. It's just whether or not we're attuned to. that reality within ourselves. Yes. In a particular moment. And yes, there are ways in which you can access very deep meditative states in which, you know, vast amounts of time can pass and it'll [00:41:00] feel like a blink of an eye. 

Often that's what people report when they come to the tanks, right? Is that there's something about going into that space and connecting inwardly. Then they, you know, and realize, oh my, you know, it's been an hour. and so that, that experience, we talked about it in the beginning, the direct experiencing of that is very different from an intellectual understanding of it. 

A hundred percent. Right. So really more than anything, it's about giving people an opportunity and a space to be in the practice of that in community. Yeah. I guess. And what I'm saying is like, right. Teaching your body that that state can be a reality in your life as much as your stress or your anxiety. 

That takes work. It takes work and it takes, it's a habitual practice. Yeah. It's practice. Cause you've trained your body to be so in survival mode. And so it's like, exactly. So much of that was programmed even really before the age of seven. Oh for sure. Yeah. It's very primal stuff. It's very deep work. 

yeah, that, what I [00:42:00] was going to say to you on this note is it seems like. One of the central internal battles of being a human is you have a brain that wants to keep you safe and you have a soul that wants to expand forever. So it's like balancing those two things. Oh, I love that. Yeah, but that's what it really feels like. 

Like when you dive into your soul, it's like, dude, it wants you to, to soar above the highest mountains. But then you have a brain that's like, don't go outside. People are scary. Well, people are scary. But you know what I mean? I mean, not you. Not me. But like, come on, do you really believe people are scary? 

Um, I have worked in a lot of, um, What people would consider pretty serious, uh, psychopathology. Yeah, and I hang out with comedians, so that's just as bad. Yeah. True. So everybody has to say it's just as bad. It's not scary, it's just that, you know, the mind, right? Which I think it's important to differentiate from [00:43:00] the brain. 

The brain is the receiver for, yeah, I mean, the mind, that's right. I think you refer to the mind. That's right. I should say the mind. Okay. The, the mind, what the mind does is create stories, create adaptations to keep us safe from perceived threat, right? And we're, most of us have been acculturated through our families, through our world, our society to. 

Perceive threat. Yeah, our environment, right? and so we do have to, we do have to reframe that for ourselves so that we can, you know, show up more fully and create a different kind of world. Right. But that can't be done out there. A hundred percent. It has to be done in here. And that's why you got to go back to the field, y'all. 

Yes. I love it. All right. Well, I have to close by playing a game. It's called spiritual or asshole, where I say some things and you tell me if it's spiritual or asshole. Okay. Spiritual or Asshole? Opening up a new float tank at the Quantum Clinic where if someone throws a baseball at a target, you fall in [00:44:00] the tank and a bunch of children scream and laugh at you. 

It's called the Carnival Float. It's called the Carnival Float? It's called the Carnival Float. Okay, I'm gonna go Asshole. Okay. Spiritual or Asshole? Using the 60 minutes in a float tank to be alone with your thoughts and think about all the people you want to kill. Spiritual. What, lovely. Spiritual. Um, this is a general one. 

Spiritual or Asshole. The fact that it's 92 degrees in Los Angeles and yet somehow everyone is still cold. What's going on here? What's wrong with you guys? I'm not cold. Okay, thank God. I'm tired of hearing how fucking cold everybody is. Okay, Spiritual or Asshole. Seeing all forms of consciousness as God expressing itself. 

Except for Spirit Airlines, there's no way God would do that to us. Us, right?  

You got so serious. You're like, oh my God. Yes. . All right. Spiritual or asshole referring to listening to heavy metal music as a very angry sound bath. Huh? [00:45:00] Spiritual. Love it Are asshole. Instead of saying, I love you to someone you say, yo, you coherent my heart, dog. So cute. That's pretty great. 

Actually. I feel like that's going to be like a really popular rap lyric at some point. All right, this is great. Spiritual arousal, a quantum Korean spa clinic, where as you float old Korean ladies beat the shit out of you with some tree leave branches. 

Transcendental. I think that's fantastic. All right. Last question. I ask everybody, if you could tell people one thing to tell themselves all day long, what would it be? I love you. That was simple and easy. I love you. All right, great. You want to tell everybody where they can find you talk about the clinic. 

Talk about your Instagram. Yeah, absolutely. You can find us at www. quantumclinic. com on Instagram and Facebook. The social handle is at quantum clinic USA and my personal or professional Instagram is at  

This has been so much fun. Everyone [00:46:00] quantum clinic please. This has been great. Thank you so much. My sister and Andrea, my cousin Andrea, have the best story about going to a Korean spa. We're like, they made us get naked and they just hit us with branches. I was like, this sounds like a form of abuse. I don't think there's anything like that with guys, maybe if you went to a bro's house and he was just having an entourage screening. 

People probably say some mean shit to you there. They just make you all wear Michael Jordan cologne. Keep it going for Caitlin Lehman, that was so good. I loved it. And I just, my main takeaway for all of us is I just want us to start normalizing not being stressed out. I feel like we're so obsessed in this culture by being like things are good, I'm super busy. 

Things are amazing, I can't see because I'm so stressed out. But it's good because I'm busy. How often do people say that? And there's nothing wrong with being busy. But if, like, being busy just for the sake of it being a known habitual pattern of stress in your body, I [00:47:00] want you to know that that's not you can unwind from that, and that's actually not normal. 

 But I lived in New York where it was like, if you weren't basically run walking everywhere, you were gonna get run over by an old lady on a fuckin Instacart. So I just really feel like, and I want everyone to know this, that we can always wind it back. It doesn't mean we stop doing action. It just means that the real truth, the larger you, is not panicked and stressed out. And yes, stress is so serious because it does cause so much inflammation. Which is the cause of so much disease. I don't want to scare you guys because I don't want to play you guys some on hold medical music of Enrique Iglesias. 

But I just want you to know that that can always be your place. You're the best. I love you. I hope you have the best week ever. I believe all your dreams can come true. I believe there's so much love here for you. I believe that the larger part of you is you. It's always there with you and you could always tap into it and you can release so much of your [00:48:00] worries into it and float on away to the best place ever. 

You're incredible. Have a great week.