"You're a Timeless Soul on an Endless Journey" (w/Dr. Amy Albright)

Have you guys ever had to take a couple weeks off your podcast because your city almost burned down? Us either. This week, Brendan is back and gives the inside scoop on his experience with the LA fires. He's then joined by the amazing Dr. Amy Albright, coach, neurobiological wizard and co-founder, of the Holon Experience. 

The two dive right into:

• Why 99.99 percent of people are playing victim. 
• Real practices for tapping into limitless possibility.
• A revolutionary type of therapy that can turn you into a superhero. (This sounds important). 🦸
• Why life is a game and there is NO end, and the real you CAN'T be destroyed. 
• And whether or not we should be holding vision quests at the Holiday Inn in Staten Island. 

RESOURCES
Dr. Amy Albright
Holon Experience
The Holon Breathing Technique
When you hear this voice, stop meditating

Transcript

Okay, everybody, welcome to a brand new episode of Spiritual Asshole. I'm beyond excited and I hope you guys are ready for the rally of the century. I have Dr. Amy Albright. She's a neurobiological [00:18:00] superhero. I coined that term. Coach and a founder of the Holland Experience. Is that how you say it? Hold on.

Hold on. So close. We're off to a full on. It's a full on, whole on rally. Dr. Amy Albert, how are you? I'm fantastic. Super excited. We always have a good time when we talk. So today will be no different. When I talked to you, when we talked like a month ago, I was like, Oh, this is going to go great. Just the second I met you.

I don't know why that happens sometimes. I think there's a recognition and also, um, kind of to the point that you had. We're both on the spiritual path, but also not taking ourselves too seriously or the life too seriously. So I think that that automatically gives us something that we have in common.

Yeah, we were, I was talking, I was telling Amy before we recorded how every, cause I was listening to a bunch of podcasts she was on and every spiritual podcast always starts with That was being like. I am so thrilled that Aiden's here. It's like the least thrilling Tona voice of all time.

I'm like, I don't think you're actually thrilled, bro. [00:19:00] But that's fine. Let's show some more thrilling. So yeah, I dug into your story because we got to talk a little bit. It was awesome. I'll bring up some of those things too, but. You had a massive spiritual experience when you were 18 that changed the trajectory of your life.

Is that because you discovered scratch off lottery tickets at that time? No, it wasn't lottery tickets. And unlike most people, it wasn't psychedelics. It was me laying on an acupuncturist table for the first time, which is not by the way, why I became an acupuncturist, the doctor of Chinese medicine. But it was the moment that I went from being a neuro.

A neurobiological scientist undergrad who was studying neurotransmitters to understand reality, um, to understanding that there was a God. So they call it my big bang moment. Yes. Like everything happened in that moment. So that was when you were laying on the table, you're getting acupuncture.

You could said you could hear a concert of voices. You could feel the meridians in your body. This also describes how most people feel on Red Bull. Yeah, [00:20:00] maybe I've never tried Red Bull. It's not my drug of choice. but yeah, so you kind of had this acknowledgement of almost, I would say, like super intuition.

Is that what you felt like it was? Yeah, I didn't have any idea how to contextualize it at the time. I grew up with a little dab of religion and basically zero spirituality at that point. So I didn't have any context for it at all. I just knew that science would never explain, like, this massive, experience, this connection feeling that I was having.

You know, and, and I knew that I had to shift my worldview. And I think luckily for me, I was 18 and still rather malleable. I think that a lot of, a lot of people get a little bit rigid. And I think that's part of why the psychedelic movement has been really important is just like blast somebody right out of where they thought they were or what they thought was real.

Whatever thought construct we have is our reality. And we don't realize how many ways we're thinking the same thoughts and holding the same frame and the way that [00:21:00] we create reality based on that. But we don't necessarily love the reality we're creating. You just hit on the crux of everything I've been thinking for the last four months.

So I guess we'll just get into it because you started this. So. How do we transcend that? You know, like, it is so fascinating because I call it the Groundhog Day disease. And it's, I wrote a TV show about this, and it's something that I think about constantly. It's the idea that, like, things are always the same, but it's only because you're on these loops.

So, you mentioned psychedelics, how can we How can we blow up this construct? I guess is the word. Yeah. Well, I think a lot of people are reaching to psychedelics for it. And I'm grateful for that, that element of the movement. Let's call it like kind of an awakening movement, the modern version of awakening.

we are at the precipice of basically an extinction event. We kind of have driven most of our natural resources into the ground. We might blow [00:22:00] ourselves up here until world war three, it's probably time to start thinking different thoughts and holding different layers like constructs for reality, but we can talk about it in terms of thought patterns and kind of like neural loops, or we can talk about it in terms of energetics in the body.

We could also talk about it in terms of vibrational frequency, no matter which way we approach it. what we're working with is the repetitive belief structure of who we think we are and what we think is real. And it's a lot about judgment. It's a lot about opinion. If we look at who's driving attention, which is the number one commodity right now is people's attention, because that drives their spending patterns and their ability to be basically hypnotized into submission, then, then what we know is that our attention is being drawn into divisiveness.

Like we're super addicted to You know, the red versus blue political construct, right? Instead of like, [00:23:00] what's actually the right thing to do here? Like, everybody's just sort of tripping out or it could be, you know, everything from, um, oh, this topic is right. And this topic is wrong. And we spend a lot of energy identifying.

What we believe to be true, holding the other, all of the other stuff out at arm's length, like the other point of view, the other people, we have a total picture here that we can't solve. Without having all of the information if we could have solved it with the old ways of thinking we already would have We have plenty of smart people.

Yeah, we don't have people that know how to coordinate communicate And really build build fields of coherence and work together Can you just do it? Can you just fix all of it? That's the goal, man. But okay, so what I think you said was so important, using the political red versus blue example, I don't think people realize that the red versus blue thing, people are doing it in almost [00:24:00] every facet of their life about everything, dividing stuff.

And is that our way of doing it to try to stay safe? Is that what's going on? It's safe. It's good enough. It's lovable. It's all those primary core wounds from early childhood, subconscious patterning, past lives, if you want to go there, like, it's all the same stuff being repeated out. And we're basically fighting for our own sense of okayness, whether you want to call it safety or lovability.

Right. We want to be right. We want to be in control. We want to think that we understand and that we are correct. We are justified. but it's really emblazoning this war against those that we have to, we have to ally with in order to really win. Yes. Okay, cool. So how do we expand? Actually I'd like to know how do you expand your filter of possibility so you're not seeing things.

Through such a binary way of looking at reality. How do we do this? How do you, how have you transcended your own [00:25:00] limitations? Is I guess what I'm saying? Yeah. Well, a lot of it is again, remember in my story, I was a hardcore atheist, super skeptic. And I'm not open to much of anything. I was definitely caught in the logical mind and the judgment.

So I think it can be a really good case study. So for me, yeah, I had that moment that it was all blasted open, but I've actually had a lot of moments where it's all been blasted open. Like I would say in this lifetime, I've died and been reborn a thousand times. Yeah. Right. And the reason that I can do that is because I say yes to it.

So the most fundamental thing for reframing our reality is being not just a yes, but like a big fuck. Yeah. It's like, yes, like bring it. to whatever it is that I got to do in order to sit inside of truth, inside of wisdom, to move from goodness and not be a wounded person making more wounds in the world.

Dedicate myself to that every day. Fuck. Oh, yeah. Okay. So you can't. you're not going to run to be a Republican. Okay. Nor am I going to run to be a Democrat. [00:26:00] I'm like, yeah, I want to be, I want to be a really thoughtful, deeply loving human who shows up for conversation and finds the right way.

What is the easy, like, what is the, what is the path of true win, win, win for everything, for everyone. And we can't just make it about people. We have to make it about the planet because that's our sustainability. Yeah, but do you think that, I guess it starts with us though, right? It's internal change.

Before we could start. Yeah, before we could start doing like these big systemic changes. So man, like I watched you do a coaching call where you said stop with the small shit. Do you remember this from five years ago? Yeah, it was awesome. Why, why, why are you laughing? It was great , because that's how I talk, like people don't listen.

If you say it in un, like, just like fluffery. But if you're like, oh yeah, pop that out, like you're being small. That's a bunch of shit. Like, let's, let's move you through that. They're like, oh yeah, thanks. Yeah. Do you think that most people are, aren't most people playing small though? Like what would you say a hundred percent?

No, Al like [00:27:00] 99.9% of people are playing inside a victim. They feel like they have something to win and they risk something to lose. And they don't realize that they are a conscious creator of their own reality. Okay. So what's the difference between something to like something to win and something to lose?

Like, what is that difference? Meaning what's the difference when they shift out of that mentality? Yeah. Yeah. Like, like, yeah. Like the mentality that most of us are in, like, how do we shift out of it? Yeah. Well, I would say that to understand that we are caught inside of falsehood, if we're playing inside of that game where we have to be better than we have to win, we have to defend, we have to be right, that we're already losing, like we're already in a state of pain that's internal, that may be partially suppressed, but is definitely impacting our nervous system.

It's driving our behaviors. Like, Our desire to go get dopamine hits or diffuse, diffuse our attention with media or whatever it is, drugs or sex or food or whatever the things are. so to recognize that and every time we want to go [00:28:00] down that pattern of familiar shaking a finger, like that finger pointing away and those three fingers pointing back that we all know.

Really, really living that and recognizing that we can't know everything. And probably if we have a lot of energy around a certain topic. It could be a political topic. It could be an interpersonal topic. It could be whatever. If we have a lot of energy around it, we're probably going to replay the lessons, get our ass kicked in that particular way, either as the victim or the aggressor in that paradigm.

So for instance, let's say that somebody, thinks that it's terrible to, um, I don't know. They think that it's terrible to have had an extramarital affair. Just as an example, they're going to be cheated on, or they're going to be the cheater until they heal that pattern. Yeah. Oh my God. That's such a good thing to say.

Whenever Deepak Chopra said all belief is the coverup for insecurity. Yeah. And so whenever I meet somebody and they're like, that's terrible. I'm always like, well, [00:29:00] you're probably doing that thing. You got a lot of charge around it. So there's something to heal, right? Cause either the person's the victim of that paradigm.

Or they're the aggressor or both, and they're either that right now in real time, or they will be that in a later point in their life or in another lifetime. So there's kind of no escaping the lessons, the learning, which is what karma is. It's not an ass kicking on purpose just for the hell of it.

There's no spite in the universe like that. It's just a simple, like, Hey, there's something to learn here. So the quicker we come to wisdom. The quicker that we understand that it's not black and white and we transcend into something above that, then we actually can find the path through where we're not wasting our energy on all of that, but where we also have the wisdom and the leadership to glean, to be able to contribute towards solutions.

And do you think that that. Knowing that wisdom is going back and looking at a limiting belief. Is it visualizing, is [00:30:00] it healing? Like you, you mentioned past lives a couple of times. What is that? Yeah, it could be so many things. I mean, there's not, there's not one path there. So for some folks, it's going to be doing EMDR therapy with their therapist.

For some folks, it's going to be coming into one of our. Programs and, and learning about energy anatomy for some folks, it's going to be spending enough time in nature and just contemplation and journaling and whatever it is, but definitely the core of it is going to be found inside of limiting beliefs and things that we need to forgive, within ourselves and within the world around us because we're wasting a huge amount.

Basically we can have a hotspot in our prefrontal cortex, right? That's burning like 30 percent of our. About the total amps of our brain. If we have 15 amps of power and 30 percent of that horsepower is going to repetitive pissed off or worry loops. Then we don't have the resource to be creative or to reinvent ourselves.

So there is this element of just pulling away. Whatever [00:31:00] it is, that is the pain, the poison that we're consistently swimming in. that's where cocaine comes in. Yeah, totally. I was personally thinking neurofeedback therapy, but you can go cocaine if you want. Neurofeedback therapy. Let's talk about it.

, we talked about it. It sounds revolutionary. So I'll describe what it is because most people have no idea and then I'll share some nuggets about what's possible. So neurofeedback therapy is basically a real time EEG. So a real time electrical study of the brain wires or leads that are on the scalp that are sensing what's happening in the brain electrically down to the millisecond and across like thousands of data points at the same time that then are correlated into hundreds of thousands of understandings.

Mm. Every millisecond. The amount of data is insane. So what that information in neurofeedback does, it goes into a computer, which then tells the brain back how it's doing. So we typically have zero information about how our brain is functioning. It's like [00:32:00] as if we had an arm with a hand and we'd never seen it and we never knew what it was doing.

And it was just like randomly hitting stuff and like knocking stuff off the table, like. And meanwhile, we have all of this capacity, but we just didn't know that it was there. So with neurofeedback therapy, there are sounds that the person hears, or things that they see and sounds that they hear at the same time, that tell them what their brain is doing.

But it works even if they don't understand their brain, even if they have no idea what's going on with the machine. It works even for people who are in a coma. So they don't have to be particularly smart or skilled. It actually works the best when we get out of the way. When we don't try to make our brain perform in a certain way, and we allow it to hear those sounds or to see those visuals on a screen, and the brain actually reroutes the data.

So let's say somebody comes in and they have that overthinking hotspot in the front of their brain and they have either anxiety or they have anger, or they have overthinking or whatever their jam is. Basically the neurofeedback [00:33:00] therapy would say, Hmm, you're not allowed to overuse that area. If they're overusing the area, they don't hear anything and they don't see anything.

And the brain is like, Oh, wait a minute. We're supposed to be hearing and seeing things. Let me reroute. So it has to find a more efficient way. It has to leave. That hotspot out of the, of the game and it starts to experiment. And when it does it in a healthy way, boom, all of a sudden the brain is getting sounds and sites that say, Oh, wait, I'm on the right track.

This is cool. And pretty soon after, you know, a couple minutes, 10 minutes of that, usually the person starts to emotionally feel better, right? They start to notice physiological shifts. So it's like, Oh, wow. But even if they don't experience that per se. The brain remembers the more efficient way to function and it wants to function like that.

This sounds like the machine to cure everything. I don't like, that's what it just feels like the ultimate, like, why are we not all doing? I don't say this lately. Like [00:34:00] I really, why, why are we not all doing this? I think that it's interesting because 1960s. It studied at major universities. like Stanford, there are protocols everywhere, but most of those protocols are for pathology essentially, like ADD is maybe a mild version of pathology, but lots of times they're studying schizophrenia or massive chronic depression or.

you know, severe autism or something like that. But even then, why does it not more out? I honestly, I think that it has a lot to do with, you actually have to know, you have to be really smart and really skilled to know how to use this. And so there's a lot of psychiatrists that don't understand how to do it.

Psychologists that don't understand. And then the, the people that are doing the research and the, academic. Institutions don't really have clinical practices. They just want to study and they don't really have an interest in getting particular people better. So there's kind of all of that going on, but then in addition, there's almost nobody doing anything that brings [00:35:00] people, not looking at them through the pathological lens, but okay, like what we work with at Holon is high performing people.

Yes. We only bring people in who are currently leaders or visionaries or doing something. And they're already high functioning, but they know that there's something more. And what we can then do for them is, yeah, maybe they have a little ADHD. Maybe they have a little depression or sleep thing. Like we can look at that.

That's not a problem, but what we'd love to do is bring them into their super human, which I know a common topic that we, we both love. Like why mess around with mediocrity? Let's just go full fricking force. Yeah. I guess that that's my biggest quest in life is the idea that. I know that I could be more and it's super frustrating when I feel like I'm hitting up against the box that I've put there.

I think there's nothing that frustrates me more than that. So what would you say to somebody like me other than run through the box and stop smashing your head against the wall? Yeah. I mean, some of it is just going to [00:36:00] be, we always have, if we think about ourselves as a timeless soul on an endless journey.

We always have more to grow into and so not to pathologize that. Right? Like, don't let that be a discouragement, rather be an encouragement. Like, wait, I get to play this game, and there's no end? That's super cool. Like, you mean there's no upper limit, really? Oh, wait a minute. That's fun, right? That's cool.

That's actually an adventure and a half, because also, it's not like it's a linear game, like, oh, I'll just methodically get better in this one way, when we're really engaged in it. We're getting better with our health, with our With our spiritual development, with our feeling of interconnectedness and love and peace, while we also, yeah, sure.

Reduce stress while we also figure out how to express more through work or through relationship, like. It's multifaceted. So to fall in love with it rather than feel tortured by it, because that really changes your fuel source from fear to love. Oh. And once you get into that, then you [00:37:00] can really expand.

Like if you really, if you watch a little kid learning in a classroom and you tell him he's a piece of shit and he's never gonna learn. This is what I do. Yeah. This is for an example. Like if this is the inner voice. Guess what? He's going to feel like a piece of shit and that he's failing at every single turn.

But if you teach him instead, every time you feel like you made a mistake, you actually learn something. Can we just talk about what you learned? What did you learn when that didn't work for you? What is it that you most desire? How do we get you to what you most want? Right? This is a very different voice to be speaking to that little boy and the little boy will.

Be it our inner child or the grown up person or whatever. We'll absolutely learn faster and better. Neural networks work better when they're inspired. Yes, like learning and imprints work better, bad lightning bolts of like chain reactions like that gamma state of like, Oh, like suddenly everything that didn't seem to make sense, you rise up in your vibration and in your, your frequency of your brain to the [00:38:00] point where all of a sudden everything connects dots and all of it makes sense.

That's not happening on the other end of a shame stick. You can't be beating yourself up and have a breakthrough like that. You can have a breakdown, which can then lead to a breakthrough, but you can't have a breakthrough inside O'Sheen. Okay, so stay away from the Catholic Church. Okay, so, perfect. Okay, so, okay, so you said that it's never over, but then how do we get to the place where we're appreciating the fact that it's not over, that it's a game forever?

Like, how do we get to that? Because that, I think, could be a trap too, where it's like always wanting more. But be with what is now as well, right? Yeah, totally. Well, the only way, the only place that we really exist is in this moment. And that's really the only place of power. So a lot of this, what I'm feeling as you're asking these questions is there's a meta shift that's available.

That's not about like figuring it out instead of a quest, but instead showing up for every moment is a masterful creator of reality and a bad ass. [00:39:00] So there's specific energetic techniques to help people to drop into the present moment. And then that allows for the availability of a lot of this wisdom that's there.

And also just the space for miracles to drop in. Like what, aren't we all kind of looking for that next level up? Like remember that old game of chutes and ladders? Of course. Like don't we just want the ladder up? We have to be cool with making those increments. We have to just show up and be like, yep, this is, this is the path I'm carving.

I get it. I'm playing the game, but that desire that you have for something more to find that next ladder up is actually a really important one. And I think that that's something that a lot of people who teach in the spiritual space are missing is how to talk about non attachment, but also how to still drive the process.

Yeah, so you're not stuck. Yeah. Yeah. So you're not stuck. And so you don't feel kind of neutered by it. Right? Like, oh, I'm supposed to be so Zen right now that even my desire makes me wrong. I don't, and I'm not trying to rag on Buddhism as I say [00:40:00] that. It was just more firm in that moment. It's like, uh, what about the way that we get things done just fundamentally changes so that we remember ourselves again as a timeless soul on an endless journey that's capable of freaking anything.

And from there, I desire. I deeply desire that to have this experience, to have a breakthrough. So you're showing up at a place, it's more of a place of prayer or worship, although I don't mean that at all in a religious way. I mean it to like within self to highest self or to the powers that be to the universe.

I show up right now in every moment with every breath as available for divine intervention as I possibly can be. And show me the ways where I'm limiting that. What do you think is keeping people the most stuck? They've fallen into the collective hypnosis. Like, there's a morphic field of, of fear, disconnection, disempowerment, and forgetting ourselves.

Like, we, even within the, [00:41:00] even within religion, we disconnected from God by having, like the old Catholic churches, from what I understand, spoke to people in Latin, although the people didn't speak Latin. It's like you had to have this translator for God, people that lived indigenously around the world through the millennia when they lived close to the land and non organized religions, they knew themselves to be a part of God.

And connected to everything. So I feel like that if we can come back to that feeling of connected to self and from self connected to all things, not just intellectually knowing that, but actually experiencing that, then that's where we really have the capacity. Essentially we move from being like a little single cell that's like, I'm going to think all my own thoughts and I'm going to do all my own things and I'm on it on my own.

Like all of that. Stuff right to, oh, wait a minute. It's like, um, in a way you become the wifi receiver and you can search the web for anything you want. , that's really great. I also feel like you're telling us all to be homeless. Is that correct? No, no [00:42:00] I'm not in support of bliss funny dumb, which is what I call that like again with all of this can be done inside of the context of leading, you know hundreds of millions dollar corporation or Being a parent full time and it's not that we have to give up Living inside of modern society.

It's that we have to step out of that matrix as we do it and claim the deepest of our power. Remember the truth of who we are come into connection, right? Because we're not here to then just, Oh, nevermind. I'm going to go live in an ashram. Like that's not what we're, I mean, for some folks that's perfect, but the majority of us on the planet right now, we need to be actively changing ourselves so that we show up and create.

As change agents inside of a lot of complex systems. Yeah. So in that coaching video of yours, I really liked your marathon analogy. And I've started finally saying that to myself where I'm like, I'm just on mile three versus you suck at running. [00:43:00] But I think that that's such a good analogy. Can you talk about that a little bit?

Because. Especially as, as some of us who like feel like they are on a personal, you know, improvement quest or whatever it is, it can feel sometimes for me, like the breakthrough I'm looking for, like, where is it? But versus, so just like not beating yourself up, you know? Yeah. Everything is inside of us and no matter what we can lie to ourselves, we have that right.

What does that mean? That's great. I mean, we do it all the time. We make shit up in our head. That's not true. Oh yeah. It's great. All the time. Like if you looked at the, if you were to take the contents of someone's mind and dump it out, the majority of it is going to be falsehoods and lies, unfortunately, unless they've dedicated themselves to this deeper quest and have worked on it.

So just as a, as a frame, um, I've been on this journey now for 30 years, I'm still on this journey. What has thriving? No, you're thriving. I am thriving. Yeah. Good job. And it, and how I got to thriving was getting [00:44:00] my ass kicked so many different ways by life and still deciding I was going to thrive. Right.

In the moments where I forgot my power and I went into victimhood and I felt defeat, that was me forgetting myself. And that's what Dispenza would call falling back into the hypnosis, which I am realizing has been so helpful to me. Yeah. Yeah. The game, the game of all of it is to keep coming to greater awareness.

So not the kind where we feel like we have this opinion that we have to defend, or there's this thing that we have to protect and make sure nobody sees our vulnerability. Like that's all usually a waste of energy, but still is going to happen because we're human. But I think that within the, within the greater game, can we realize that we're falling back into the matrix?

Can we realize that no matter how big our space of awareness is, that there is always a space that's bigger than ours. And that we're basically just growing into that next larger container and that there are endless containers. It's like those little Russian dolls, but reverse, like [00:45:00] there's just spaces that are bigger at each turn.

Yeah. As we make our way through what feels so real and so completely like, this is it. And I get what reality is. If we're as we move along, we're able to recognize that that was never it. And instead of going back to the it, like, so some people might have a breakthrough, like me on the acupuncture table, or they go do ayahuasca or whatever their thing is, and they're like, whoa, I get it, but they don't necessarily commit and devote their life to what they got, right?

Like, Oh, wait a minute. Here's the, what I used to think was real. Here's the, now what I know is real, which is so much bigger than what the prior version was. How do I devote myself to this learning so that it continues to open up? And open up and open up. Yeah. One challenge I've found is into you again, use dispensers language, which is similar to what I think you're saying is getting these realizations and then not running right back to what's safe.

Yeah, that makes sense. [00:46:00] Running right back to what is what he would call the known. And that has been my biggest challenge recently is like, keep teaching my body that the unsafe, exciting realizations out there are actually the is a better future for me. Yeah. The only thing that can be destroyed is illusion and fear and stuff that's not really real.

The real you can't be destroyed. Your construct of reality can be destroyed. Fuck yeah. Guys, do you see how good drugs are? Guys, like, what are you guys doing? Put down the, put down the white claw. Come to this, come to this journey. No, I don't even know if you've done psychedelics. No, I think they're an important part. They've been an important part for my journey, but I would say the majority of my 30 years, I have not been anywhere near them. Majority majority of it is me showing up inside of the space of devotion. What is, what does psychedelics do? Like, let's just take mushrooms.

I'm not an [00:47:00] expert on the neuropharmacology, but let's just. Talk about it vague, generally. So, they basically dismantle the default mode network. What is that? Yes. That's the part of you that thinks you understand you and what reality is. Yes. Yes. So it's not sust mean, maybe some people w it's not sustainable to h that every day at that le But if we know that that huge yields and insights a lot of healing.

How do Without having to engage in that one way definitely is neurofeedback therapy. Like for sure. another way might be, meditation, especially with, I'd love to offer a tool to the, to the audience. It's a recording that I can just, you can put in the notes or whatever you want to do with it. Um, but what I found is that that.

actively helps people to slip out of the understanding of I began and end where my skin is. And I am mine. Yes. It doesn't take much time and you can take it with you all the time. Like it's incredible. [00:48:00] So that's the whole on breath practice. And, um, I'll, I'll send that over when we're done. But it's just so important to remember that no matter where we are, we can, and it's not that we can't celebrate the moment.

Like if we're also in a place where we're like, woohoo, I just had a breakthrough, like celebrate that. Don't be freaking out about keeping it. Yes. But on the flip side, it's, I think it's more, I feel like that for you, maybe the word that, that you're looking for is devotion. Like for me, I was aware that I wasn't aware of everything.

And I'm like, Oh, so there'll always be a part of me that thinks I understand. And then there's another part of me that understands way more than I think I understand. Oh, okay. And as I play into that, no matter what I do, my life will dramatically improve. I will find freedom, right? If you ask somebody, do you want freedom?

I don't know anybody who would be like, no, I don't think I'm good with freedom now. But what does freedom mean to them? Like being in jail, being a prisoner to your [00:49:00] inbox and to your Instagram account, right? Being a slave to societal conditioning of any kind, like what our parents think or how much money we should make or whatever.

All this stuff, like there's levels of freedom. So I would say we each have a unique relationship to that word where we both want it and are afraid of it. So when I hear you say, Oh wait, maybe I'll just go back to the thing I knew. That's actually you fearing freedom. A hundred percent. And also it's going back to the default mode.

Like I'm so glad you used that terminology. Yeah, because that is exactly what it is too. It's like, well, I have a. That is, I default to that I think is normal and real. But that box is not. It's just, I just made it up. And it probably sucks compared to what it could be because humans are really, really dumb by comparison to the creative force of the all that is.

Yes, it, yes, [00:50:00] absolutely. This is what I'm saying. It's like intellectually knowing all this and then it's getting through it. And I'm using a hammer in my hand of smashing. For those of you listening, I have a hammer. . Yeah, absolutely. For sure. And then teaching people that that that realization is actually everything it is.

And to be, if you're going to obsess about something, obsess about that realization. Okay, good. Well, I got that down. I was going to say, if you can't turn off the obsession part of your brain, obsess about the right thing. Yes. Okay. And then at some point, that obsession about the right thing will alleviate so that you don't even have to be obsessed to be able to do it.

To be inside of that flow, inside of that current of energy. Great. So what are some other practices? Like you mentioned the breath thing, you mentioned obviously neurofeedback to sort of transcending your default. Can we just YOLO?

I mean, I think that's the attitude for every [00:51:00] day, right? Yeah. Like, can we just be, can we be inside of the the, the grace, the gift of this moment, this day, and really face it anew. Like, I've heard a lot of people, I've helped a lot of people through the death and dying process. I've helped them through, like, When we look at what people think about suddenly when they receive, let's say a terminal illness diagnosis, that's the stuff we should be focused on all the time.

Yes. Like going for it. If they do want to work at all, they should be like giving zero shits what anyone thinks and telling the world exactly what they need to hear. And getting after it from the point of view of it's not about the game of good enough, it's can I bring the beauty? Can I, can I be that conduit for the divine?

What, what amazingness can I feel as I express out into the world? Instead of looking to measure what's the yield outside of me, you know, what I like to tell people, by the way, too, is like, oh, are you having a good time? I'm feeling freaking great. And I don't [00:52:00] mean that in an egoic way, but we should all be having the experience of being uplifted by our work.

Is that how you move up your ladder? You just feel you create basically is what you're saying? How I started and how I'm still moving up the ladder is this, people inspire me, people, I desire so much beauty and so much amazingness for folks. I want their freedom deeply and I'm devoted to it. So I'm looking for every moment that I'm sitting with a client or with a friend or a loved one.

How do I sit inside of the potential, the miracle that's right there? And how am I a conduit? How do I facilitate that? How do I lend to that just by the vibration that I'm emanating and my awareness, the awareness itself changes the everything, right? Versus just kind of like, Oh, well, I'm just showing up for another shift.

You in another day, like you're not going to get a miracle when you're [00:53:00] coming in with doldrums. Right. And also you're not going to have that feeling of aliveness. So one of the things that I love to talk about with folks that are really driven to help other people is make sure that you're on that high too.

Like me being in that state of devotion for the other, I know also cracks me open and sets me free. There's no way to help the other person in their evolution that's real unless I am moving along in my evolution. So that's my ladder up is just being inside of the state of devotion and that's when I'm serving others, but it's also how I conduct myself.

So every time I'm putting food in my body, is this food that nourishes that evolution or is it something that's taking me back a step? You know, do I choose to sleep more? Do I choose more nature? Like all of it, my entire life is a prayer in that regard. That's a really good line. Okay. So you work with a lot of high achievers.

What do you think separates high achievers from everybody else aside the fact that they're all hot?[00:54:00] 

Um, unfortunately, a lot of the times it's that they are really good at punishing themselves. Well, they, they get there because they're afraid of failing. Um, freak out about not being lovable or being accepted or not making enough money or whatever the thing is. And so they're driven by that.

Unfortunately, I would say that's a large percentage of folks. Um, I like to dispel the myth that high achievers means that they have their shit together. Cause often if you look behind the scenes. They totally don't. Yeah. it just means that they're, they're better than some, at playing the game. And I want to say too, in many cases, high achievers are like incredible humans who are definitely like, I'd say, integrated, connected, walking a deep path and And performing really well in the outer world, but it's, it's less common.

But I think that there's an insatiability that comes with it. And that insatiability is the same one that I'm talking about, but [00:55:00] patching it over from the fear source to the love, wisdom, expansion, connection. Source. That's the bridge. That's it. Okay, cool. You also said being scared means you're about to do something really brave.

I love this, but is it really brave to get a haircut? Are you afraid of haircuts? But I remember I was afraid of haircuts when I was six. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, exactly. So when you're six, maybe you have like, you know, the salon is a lot of noise, or you're not sure if you want to talk to the hair person, or what if they poke you with those big scissors, right?

It's just kind of a, You know, but you and it at six, that was a big hurdle to get through for some people. They're still having that at 36 because they are agoraphobic or they're whatever their thing is, right? They have social anxiety. , so sometimes these steps are actually really huge. And sometimes you can see, you might have been, I'll say a high performing 6 year old, whatever the hell that means.

It's kind of a joke that I even say that, but like, you might have been like a smart kid and a [00:56:00] sweet kid and like all the good things. Right? And. But that was still a really huge leap for you. And we all have our development to do. And even if it seems silly, if we were to dig into it, there would be reason for you to feel that way.

There's always reason for our feelings. Or for our, our fears, even if they're irrational and they can be, um, handled, right? But they're, but emotions are not supposed to be rational. Those are, those are thoughts. Thoughts are supposed to be rational. I love that. I brought it up because one of the ways that I think I have learned recently to climb up my ladder is to go past that fear.

Like the things that have made me scared. And often recently when I face them, it's actually what makes me then move up the most and give me the most confidence. I just wish that it wasn't always so much fear. You know, I mean, totally. Yeah. I mean, a lot of the times my, my measure is, [00:57:00] um, does your gut tell you to do it?

Even if you're afraid, is there something pulling you there? It's a yes. No. Right? Like, yeah. Okay. It doesn't mean you should do it. Is it going to hurt you or anyone else in a real way? I don't mean because you spoke the truth. Somebody's feelings got hurt, but like. If you're going to be an asshole while you're telling the truth, then that's another thing, right?

Can we say it in a different way? Is there a different outcome? But if you keep on checking and you're like, Hey, it's, it's not actually going to hurt anything because I'm not afraid of truth. And I know that I can say anything that I want to and do anything that I want to, as long as I'm coming from genuinely that right place.

And I don't hurt anyone in a real way. Okay. Then I should just do it and do it afraid. I also feel like often it's so important that if you catch an impulse to do something, you should do it then before you let the fear in your mind tell you why you shouldn't. Yeah. That's been a big step for me. Yeah.

And it's moving into real time. So there's a message that comes through from your awareness [00:58:00] from highest self from guidance, whatever you want to frame it. And then there's the moment of action, or maybe it never happens action. If those things are really out of time, it's almost like you're slogging through mud more real time about it.

Then you get more information, better guidance, guidance, as far as what to do next, but also better refinement on how to navigate. Thank you. The thing is, is that most people are stuck in their same place, knee deep in mud and wondering how to do it, or they're slogging through with such a delay that they never get the timing flowing and they don't know that this is actually the path of ease.

Like all of this could sound super hard, but it's actually the alleviation of suffering and the movement towards ease. Yeah. The scariest thing I did last year resulted, the scariest phone call I made last year resulted in the best thing that happened to me last year. And it was in one second. And I was like, wow, it was the wall of that thing that kept me from doing it.

It was a phone call I had to make that kept me from doing [00:59:00] it so long. And then easiest, the best thing that happened to me last year. I love that. It's such a great example. Yeah, it's crazy. Um, it is, and, and I think that what is it that you were afraid of? And, and you don't have to share that here if you don't want to, but it's like, oh, no, I can, the vulnerability or the, the thing that might be destroyed or the rejection that you weren't sure you could handle, or it's all those things.

It was a phone call I had to make to my uncle. Yeah. And so I did it, and then it would, it went really well. And then a week later it resulted in the best thing that happened to me last year. Amazing. And, and the, there was the outcome that was positive, but there's also the outcome that was negative that was there all along, because even if we can compress something away from our conscious mind, our mind has, our brain has the ability to record all of that.

And our energy is Performing accordingly, right? So somewhere in your energy field, you had shame or fear or contracture or all of the above [01:00:00] impacting you. Neurologically, your brain wasn't functioning as well because of this burden. So there's also the stuff, the sandbags that you just dropped off of you in addition to that positive.

Outcome the week later, right? And then there's the learning of like, Oh, wait a minute. So when I do scary shit, when I clean up messes, when I go in and handle the things, I get more freedom. Okay. Wait a minute. All right. So what, then now you're like, let me make a list of some scary shit and just knock it out.

And then I get a high from doing it. Cause then I go, Oh, well, if you can do this, what else can you do? That's right. And that's when the little boy that's in the classroom is being encouraged by the teacher. Rather than scolded and shamed and the teacher in this case is you, it is the inner teacher. Right?

I love it. All right. last question when I play a quick game, what percent of our potential do you think that we're all actually using? I was going to say 10, I [01:01:00] don't know, I mean, just to play with it. That's the first number that came because I feel like even if we're excelling at work or we're excelling in some area of our life, we have a great fitness program or something like that going on, or maybe we even have several areas of our life.

Almost everybody is getting a really big F in the place of connection and meaning making and the ability to be present and at the end of life, those are the actual things that matter. So that's why I give it such a low score. Like, yeah. What does meaning making mean? 

If we, if we allow for the mind to tell us the lies about what's important and we allow for our life to be drawn and driven on those principles that are basically lies. Instead of recognizing that there is meaning inside of everything. So meaning making is like, yeah, that's all the illusion. And I'm a timeless soul on an endless journey.

And everything that I've experienced has a reason for occurring in my life, whether I liked it or I didn't like it. [01:02:00] And I'm here for multitudes of reasons. And I have so many things that I can express and all of those things are meaningful, even if it looks like a random hobby, right? Like maybe somebody thinks their guitar side thing that they do when they're chilling out by themselves at night makes no difference.

But it actually is incredibly meaningful. What I found with meaning making is that once people drop into a deeper understanding about that meaning, They feel fulfilled. They feel connected. They feel present. There's a sense of healing that automatically happens, but also it's their own personal universe that drops open at every turn so that they can have deeper meaning and deeper meaning and deeper meaning because they're actually threads that connect and all those threads of meaning then intersect at deep places.

Where we realize that no matter what we're doing, we're actually motivated by and finding meaning inside of the love, the connection, the goodness, the grace that we are and that we bring that we're not just some random [01:03:00] smattering of, to do list items or linkedin accomplishments or. Right. It's like, it's a vastly different world.

It's so, I was just like on such a hypnotic journey with you and then you said LinkedIn and I was like, fuck, it's painful. It's painful. I was like, Oh God, LinkedIn. I love that though. Thank you so much. All right. So I like to close by playing a game. It's called spiritual or asshole, where I say some things and you tell me if it's spiritual or asshole.

Are you down? Okay. Okay. Here we go. Instead of bio, spiritual or asshole, instead of bio hacking, it's bio snacking where you inject Taco Bell into your veins. That's gross. Let's go with asshole. It sounds like this is a really good one. Spirits are assholes. Saying that you're super intuitive, but you really suck at sports gambling.

What gives?

Okay, great. Spirits are asshole thinking that real transformation is hard. Oh, that's a tough one. Okay. You can pick [01:04:00] in between two. There's really no, Can I pick in the middle? Cause I think it's, um, I think it's actually the honest response that has to be worked through. I know that's not a quick answer.

No, that is good. answer. All right. Spirits of Arousal, vision quests in surprising places, like let's say Staten Island, where you found yourself at an insurance broker's convention at a Holiday Inn Express. Joel. This is real life. spiritual or asshole? Staying in situations, jobs, relationships, housing because it feels safe.

Oh, that's a tough one. I'm so not good at being judgy. I want to say asshole because I know that that's the fallacy but it is a part of the path no matter what. Okay, great. Spiritual or asshole. Becoming so good at meditating that the voice in your head no longer sounds like you. It sounds like the Aflac duck.

That's definitely spiritual. That's transcendent, man. For sure. Alright, great. Last question I ask everybody. If you could tell people one thing to tell themselves all day long, what would it be? I am [01:05:00] enough. I'm loved. I'm a part of everything and I matter. That was really good. That was also fast. Um, you were ready for that.

Well, this was so great. You want to tell everybody where they can find you? Yeah. Um, the website is holonexperience. com. H O L O N experience because we believe that the interconnectedness must be experienced to be real and to make a difference. So hold on experience. com. And, and then I'll also include that recording.

Yes. I'll be posting it as well. I'm so excited about that. Well, thank you so much. This has been the best. Yeah, you're welcome. It was a blast. So glad we had this time together. We got so hype. Yeah.