How to Take Down Your Invisible Fence (w/Liz Larson)

Did you know your nervous system can be like the electric fence in Jurassic Park—with or without the killer dinosaurs? Brendan talks with Liz Larson, master NLP practitioner and co-founder of Cogno Movement to talk about how to shut off the static, collapse limiting beliefs, and actually feel free in your own body.

In this episode, they go all in on:
 ✨ Why your nervous system is like bathroom graffiti at a Denny’s
 🧠 How to collapse limiting beliefs in minutes using Cogno Movement
 💡 The surprising link between neutrality and manifestation
 🔥 Why suffering is optional—and how to ditch the “electric fence” holding you back
 💭 Plus, Brendan gets an impromptu Cogno session you can try at home

RESOURCES
CognoMovement.com
Cogno Conscious Event – Sept 8–12, San Diego
Cogno Movement YouTube Channel
What an Unregulated Nervous System Looks Like 

Transcript

[00:00:00] All right everybody. Welcome to a brand new episode of Spiritual Asshole. I'm standing in my childhood home staring at my dog Will bet Fitzgibbons overlooking a pretty nice yard on a very nice day coming to you live from the suburbs of Chicago. How are you? Today's episode features the incredible Liz Larson.

She's the founder of cogno Movement. I would say it's a revolutionary technique that incorporates eye movement, body movement. And, somatic release to rewire your nervous system. Imagine you were doing a Zumba class with an EMDR therapist. Slow down. While crying. No, that's not exactly it. It's pretty great.

This episode's amazing. I would highly recommend it. I'm gonna post it on YouTube it to watch it because at the end she actually gives me a full on cogno movement, basically a session that I did not plan for, but it's really cool to watch and then you could do it at home yourself. Anyways, I just wanna keep this quick today, tell you [00:01:00] guys, , a few things.

I hope you're doing fantastic. I'm thinking about you. Always, I'm thinking about how we can be more free in our lives always. . Freedom is the word I have been most obsessed with. It is the word that I use for everything that I make. Everything that I do, everything that I think about is how can we be more free?

From the limitations of our own mind. And so I'm writing my book guys, and I'm writing a chapter called Sober Tripping. And I listed out about 10 different techniques that you can do to access psychedelic, altered states sober. So you don't have to do psychedelics. 'cause I don't think everybody needs to.

And that's not my, that's my not my goal. And I'm looking at this list guys, and I'm going through this list and I'm going, okay. What is the common through line to all of these things? And I go, holy shit. [00:02:00] Every single one of these techniques gets you out of the mind. Every single one of these techniques is getting you to go beyond your mind, whether it's meditating, exercising, expressing gratitude, falling in love, all.

And yes, you could say gratitude is the mind, but what radical presence, what that does. Is gets you to go beyond the mind. Now, why is that so important? That is so important because infinite consciousness, which you are godlike energy, which you are at your core, at your foundational level, the energy in which you came to this world.

The essence of who you are, the magic that you possess is within you all the time. And the only thing that is siphoning out, the [00:03:00] only thing that is pushing it down is your mind is your patterned habitual thinking, your social conditioning, your limiting beliefs, the truths that you think are real, that you have told yourself that are all.

Just pattern, condition, beliefs for your whole life , a lot of which are pushing that essence of who you really are down or limiting it or siphoning it off, or numbing it or quieting it. But I have some great news. Here's the fucking best news. Are you guys ready? Your soul, that energy, that oneness, that essence, that that who you really are at the bottom of all of this is gonna come up and it cannot be held down for that long.

You cannot hold the cork under the water that long as Abraham Hicks would talk. That analogy that Abraham Hicks always talks about, the cork's gonna come up. Okay? Now these are the ways that I just mentioned. Some of those ways that you can get the cork to float. Cogno movement is a [00:04:00] another way. You can get that cork to float.

But what we are talking about and what I care about the most is unleashing that incredible potential that lies within you. Unleashing it. And the thing that I think we get tripped up in the space into this country is thinking that you need to work hard to unleash this. You need to create something. You need to become a different person.

You need to do all this stuff. Those things will naturally happen. But what's the most important thing to always remember is, is it is who you are at a foundational core. You are this magic, you are this beauty, and guess what? Source consciousness, God, love, spirit, everything. The number one thing it wants to do is to fully express itself through you.

And it can't do it as much if we are pushing it down with our thoughts that are limiting it. So whatever blueprint you have, whatever map is going through your mind right now, whatever expectations you have on your life, if they're at all limiting, I want you to pause and ask yourself this question. [00:05:00] Is something else possible here?

Is there something else that I can do? Is there more here? That's a great question. Is there more here? Is there more love? Is there more joy? Is there more money? Is there more possibilities? Is there a different version of me? Is there a different timeline of me that exists and can I tap into it?

And what is this feeling that I'm feeling like the answer is probably yes. And do I want to go there? Can I go there? And the answer is, fuck yes, you can. You always can. There is always more. There is always more love. There is always more excitement, more joy, more fun, more, more thrills. So this is why it is so important to go beyond the mind and to unleash that incredible magic within you.

'cause it is so incredible. And any kind of blueprint that we're living by now, that's like limiting, like, oh, I, I was really good about money [00:06:00] today. I only spent, I didn't spend a lot of money. I was quote Good. Oh, I didn't have that donut today. 'cause I was being quote Good. Oh no, no, whatever. It's okay. And maybe you need to do those things, but lemme just say this source is infinite and wants to express itself infinitely through you.

And when you say those things like, oh, I was good about money today. I, I didn't go out to eat. It's still to some paradigm in your mind exists that you think there's a right way to do something. You think that there's a proper path that you're being quote good. But I want you to see, and I want you to know that those are just conditioned, habitual thinking.

I honestly think source conscious, whatever would be happier. If not even happier, it would just be more aligned if you were like, Hey, today I went into Target and I bought 14 wheelbarrows. 'cause I want to have a wheelbarrow contest out front. I've never done that [00:07:00] before. Anything that is new, anything that is unknown source has got your back because it's an expansion.

So let's start seeing things as expansive. Versus the right or wrong way to do it. Is this expansive? Is this new? Is this exciting? Am I on the leading edge of something incredible? Am I gonna take a risk? Am I gonna go talk to that person that I'm scared to talk to? Make that phone call to that boss that I haven't made.

Write that book. Do that podcast. Go for that audition. Take that acting class. Am I gonna do something? That I've never done before. Even though my entire system is saying, don't. My answer is do it. Don't just do it for you. Do it for source and know that you're gonna be backed up so hard and it's gonna be magical.

And then from that place, you're gonna get so much energy and excitement 'cause you're gonna start to realize how powerful you are. [00:08:00] Let's go. Let's party. I'm really excited about this episode. Here she is, Liz Larson.

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All right, everybody. Welcome to a brand new episode of Spiritual Asshole. I am thrilled, so excited to have Liz Larson on. She's a master NLP practitioner, co-founder of Cogno Movement, a revolutionary technique to rewire the nervous system. Liz, how are you? I am great and super excited to be here. Thanks for having me.

So excited you're here. So you guys have a video on your website where you call your nervous system a tangled ball of yarn. What if it feels more like the bathroom graffiti at a Denny's? I mean, actually that's probably way more accurate, right? Like it really is super random. You know how in the bathroom where they scribble stuff?

Yeah. It's always the most random things, and I always think, what were they thinking when they wrote that? And so that's probably pretty accurate. It's exactly, we're walking around with these [00:09:00] nervous systems that are just a bunch of random shit that someone wrote on a wall. It's, it's actually true. It's like every experience that you have is really random.

You're only seeing it through your perspective. And then maybe that day you were hangry or your underwear were too tight, right? Yeah. Or some kid kicked you in the shin or stalked their tongue out at you. So it sears that into your nervous system as a thing that's rural, real important. Right? And then your body just keeps looking at it from the age that it happened, not the age that you grow to.

So you've got this weird little moment in your system that like becomes a driver. Mm-hmm. For who you are and how you think and what you do. So not necessarily the best thing all the time. Yeah, and what I think is so fascinating that I'm realizing now is like we all have these nervous systems that are operating that way, but the biggest [00:10:00] lie of all of it is that how your nervous system is operating is the truth.

Yeah. Does that, does that make sense? It's like, oh, well of course I don't do this, these things because that's scary, but it's like you're only saying that because you've wired yourself that way. What do you think about that? Yeah. I don't know that you've wired yourself, but your nervous system, the whole intent is keep you safe and alive.

Yeah. So it's on the lookout for things that hurt and, and, and hurt you badly in the moment. So it depends on when and where it happened. Like I said, maybe your underwear too tight. Right. So you react based on that premise? Yes. Well, that was scary before, so it's probably gonna kill me now. So now there's this weird reaction and so you're going through life with that premise.

That probably really is a lie is is a good word, but just super inaccurate is better. I think so I have to beg the question then [00:11:00] how, this is a general one. How free are we really? Then do you think? I think most of us are not free at all. Oh God, not at all. Not at all. And I'll tell you why. I agree. The nervous system is really the great time traveler.

It wants to keep you safe at all times. So it's reach into the past trying to fix stuff. You know, checking in, you know, is that really a lion on my ass? I think it is. All right, let's project it into the future. Let's be afraid of it in the future. Right? So almost none of us are really present taking in information in the now.

Mm. Like really looking at things for how they really are, because we're busy in the, in the past and the future fighting wars that don't exist. Yes. So very few of us are, are free of that. And so what you said with the co-founder's name's Bill, is that right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. So what you said with Bill, which was so awesome, you guys had a whole convo [00:12:00] about this is the importance of getting back to neutral.

Mm-hmm. Now, now. I think that I, I completely agree with that. 'cause when I think about, when I was you, you talk about getting back to neutral as a key element to manifesting. When I think about when I was the best at manifesting, it's when I knew nothing about manifesting. Right. 'cause I think I was in a neutral, I was neutral about it.

Yeah. Yep. I didn't have this whole nervous system with all these stories Yeah. That are contradicting. All of this other stuff. So what, why is being neutral so important? Well, what we mean by neutral is not indifference. That's a different thing. Totally. We're talking about two 50 on what's called the Hawkins Scale.

David Hawkins Power versus Force Scale. Yeah. Do you know it? Oh, yeah. Yeah. And at neutrality, it's where you're just not attached through a sensation in your body. Yeah, you're like, cool. Okay. Yeah, there's this thing I'm [00:13:00] interested in. It's over there. I like kinda like it. I wanna look at it from here. But you know, there's also this other thing over here that I like too.

Awesome. There just isn't any reactivity in the body around it. So what this does is it actually gives us our logical mind. Now you have the ability to see beyond all the junk and see what's really there. Right. Actually make a choice. 'cause those drivers are not driving you to do something out of fear.

So it's a pretty cool thing. And everything in the universe, I believe is neutral. Yeah. You, you're the, you're the one that's assigning all the meaning to it. Yeah. So if you have a nervous system that's firing crazy style, bad shit crazy, you think everything is a threat. Meanwhile, you could change those patterns that you just think it's just a thing and that's amazing.

Yeah. That's amazing. Yeah. Here's a really cool analogy that I really love. Your nervous system sets up an electric fence. Yes. Right. Hello? Lemme talk about this. [00:14:00] You get too close to the boundary of. Something that your body thinks might kill you or hurt your feelings really bad and it zaps you back. Like you, you have a physical reaction.

Our work is a lot about physical, you know, and, and it pushes you back, right? So with our work, what we do is we show the nervous system how to get to neutral. Once you get to neutral, what you realize is. All that stuff you want that you've been thinking about is actually in your vicinity. It has to be. Or you wouldn't be thinking about it the minute that electric fence comes down, that thing just walks right in.

Mm-hmm. Literally, it's like, oh, hello. There you are. We hear stories about this around the planet daily. Multiple stories. Literally the thing that was wanted, or the thing you even forgot you wanted is instantly available. Yeah. So that brings me kind of back to what I said about how I was such a good manifester [00:15:00] when I was younger because we are that powerful.

Yeah. And I think, I think that that people just get that number one fact terribly lost in the mind. Well, what I think people think manifesting is, is focusing on something wanted. Okay. The truth is you're manifesting every minute of every day. Yeah. You literally, how you feel about things in life gets projected and, and then it finds its match.

You're just constantly matching stuff. Mm-hmm. And people, so think about it this way. I don't know if guys do this, but if you go to the grocery store, let's say you gotta leave your house and go to the grocery store and you're in a mood. You know, everything went wrong. Something went wrong that morning and now you gotta go to the grocery store and you, you really can't stand it.

The minute you pull out that driveway, somebody's gonna cut you off. Yeah. Right Now you're, now you're even more pissed then, you know, you get to the grocery store and everybody at the grocery store just jerks and they're out of what you [00:16:00] want. You get to the cash register and the cash register they get lady at the cash register is salty.

Right? Yeah. Pull out again, somebody's probably gonna cut you off again. Right. So. Or something awesome happens and you're feeling great or you've gotten yourself to neutrality, you pull out, you know, somebody stops and waves you on. Thanks very much. You know, you all the green lights you get to the grocery store and you have the most lovely interactions and conversations.

You know, you greet the cash cashier, happy to see each other. That's what happens. Our nervous systems literally project that and create the reality we experience. Mm. Now it's not reality. Reality because everybody else is having a different one. It's just the one you're experiencing in the moment based on the physical sensation your body's projecting.

Okay. So in order for that to happen though, people have to start [00:17:00] realizing that they are the center of the reality. Mm-hmm. That they're not a victim to the giron at the grocery store. But that's a big leap for people to take. I'm, I think so. I'm there, but like, I feel like that's what starts it, right?

Yeah. Well, I think it's kind of about taking responsibility for yourself, so in our work, that's it. All right. You know, maybe my business partner Bill, he said something that annoyed me, right? Mm-hmm. He's a guy. I'm a gal. It annoys me so. Instantly. I'm like, dang, I'm annoyed. That's me. That's a me problem, right?

So I might go about doing our, a little session, one minute, two minutes, three minutes, recognizing that I had a feeling about that, right? Hmm. Where in the past I'd be like, man, he's a jerk. He's probably out to get me. Right? Yeah. So I do my, my little thing, I, I show my nervous system what I'm feeling like, [00:18:00] Hey, is this what we really think about this?

Three to five minute minutes, it collapses, right? And I'm like, oh, geez, I know Bill. He just wants the best for me and us, and we're a team. And then it dawns on me what he really meant, right? Yeah. Not at all what I perceived. Not at all what I thought. And then here's the weirdest thing. I'll get a text or a call from him confirming that Now he doesn't know.

I was annoyed. He doesn't know I did a session, but. I'm now a match to his true intention, right? So I don't know that a person has to take that huge leap of understanding that they're the center of their own universe, but if they were willing to realize, if I feel a thing, that's me, it's not necessarily true.

Let me clean up the slum areas, clean that up a bit, and see how I feel after, see if I can [00:19:00] see. Maybe a different truth about this. Yeah. And then you just naturally notice your reality morph around that. So. So that's awesome. So go back to the electric fence analogy. Do you think what's happening then?

'cause I've been kind of saying this is like you have this soul that wants endless expansion and a nervous system that's like holding you back. Like it's kind of like, I have this analogy, someone was like, your soul's like let's jump off this diving board and your nervous system's like. No, let's stay in today and just battle depression.

It's great. Yeah, there. Yeah. Well. Let's see. How do I answer that? I think your higher self knows everything, and I think the reason it jumped into a, a physical body that has this limitation is so that we can expand the universe. Yeah. You know, in that moment where I'm annoyed with Bill and I choose to work on myself, I've now made a new decision, like it's a new setup all the way around.

The universe expands [00:20:00] just a little bit. Like, oh, that was a cool one, right. But if I decided to just be annoyed and start a big fight or something, yeah. You know, I would still expand the universe. 'cause it's a new novel way that through this physical body in this time, in this moment with this atmosphere on this day was, was decided.

But what if you're always getting annoyed? Is that expansion or are you just an asshole? You know, I think it expands the universe because I think it's, that's cool. I think it is the way it works. I think it's a novel thing that we do. I don't know that there's any wrongness, but it's uncomfortable to the human, the being, and I think that when you go back out of the body and you're in your higher self again, you might be like.

Cool. I, I was annoyed the whole time. That was fun. You know, I wish I'd created other solutions. Yes. You know, so I don't know that there's judgment either way, but I think it's about having the experience you have [00:21:00] now. What your mission truly is, mine is to help people sort out this nervous system issue, learn how to drive this unit that you're in, in a brand new way that feels way more resourceful.

So to turn your jalopy into a Maserati, right? Yeah. Convertible. So I think we all have a Maserati, but our power is routed to the door knocks, right? Not the engine. So the work is to just really get that power back into the engine so you can choose what you wanna do and you're not just kind of a slave to your sensation.

Yeah. I drive a 2012 Prius C trying to make that better. You know, mean, you know, that's a choice. That's a choice. That's a choice. That was like, hey, your car sucks. We'll get into like, I wanna get into all the techniques and stuff in a second, but just to go back. Yeah. I think what I've realized, and this actually goes back to your book [00:22:00] title, is that suffering really is optional.

Yeah. And your nervous system will it, it will take you down a road of, it can take you down a road of suffering, but you don't have to do that despite what many religions say, what a lot of people think about existence as a human being. But what I think people don't realize is like to separate the fact that there is.

You are working with biology in a body that is 6 million years old or whatever, you know? Yeah. So that when you, I mean, when you look at it as a science experiment, when you look at it as more science, as like you're in a, you're an animal dude. Mm-hmm. And like when you start seeing yourself that way, I think you could start taking out some of the judgment.

Yeah. How do you feel about all that? Well, yeah, I think with an animal. We have a little beagle puppy. He's a little bit of a terrorist. Cute. But he's a little skittish and you know something about his little nervous system? A loud noise scares him and he runs off scared for a few seconds, kind of shakes.

Yeah. But then comes right [00:23:00] back to Licia. Their nervous systems don't seem to hold onto things and make judgements about them the way ours does. Our problem is that our sensation. Informs our logical mind of what we should think. So fear, pain, anger, the brain translates that and makes a judgment about it.

Oh, I get it. Brendan there, he's a jerk. Right? That's my My brain's translation. Instead. I really just had a feeling. So the dog, he has this feeling, he processes it out. Oh, that wasn't an issue. Comes back in plays, we hold onto it. Yes. And then it gets bigger and bigger. So I definitely agree with you. This is a biological thing.

We just need a tool to kind of override that system in the same way that they somehow seem to Yeah, and it's not even like. It's not just a judgment like we will then create entire belief systems and [00:24:00] religions off that feeling. We will create entire political parties off of that discomfort. Yes, we do entire social movements off of discomfort, and it's like, yes, we do.

We're using this very limited human mind to determine all of reality. Yeah, it's crazy because there's so much more that you can liberate and that's what I feel like you're really working on, which is so awesome, is liberating people. Yeah. But let me share a story with you. We we do an event every year.

It's called Cogno Conscious. Oh yeah, I saw it. Five days. Yeah. Five days of doing our work for about six hours a day, re sorting through the nervous system, and we start at the feeling of shame. It's a sensation, and like the feeling of shame will feel the same throughout your whole life. So for that reason, we can kind of do it all at once, right?

So every year got a couple people who come and they have a major issue with somebody in their life. Usually it's their mother, right? Classic. And, you know, this person hates me. They wanna kill me. Like, [00:25:00] and they feel it. They, they mean it, you know? Oh yeah. Your experience feels like that. And at the same time, they'll also have some kind of a manifestation.

A lot of times, strangely, it's like selling property or a business. So we've had some, like they were trying to sell a $10 million business or a huge piece of property that been on the market forever. She's got these two things that are happening right about the time, and it's usually the level of anger.

They, they get in it and their system starts to freak out. Like, how can I let this person, I have to feel this anger to hold them in my prison, right? If I'm not angry at them, they're not in jail, right? Yeah. My jail. So fine. You get to have it. We encourage you to feel exactly how you feel, feel it, hold onto it.

Do not let that thing go right. So we do the work and we're talking to the nervous system the whole time. Like, yeah, I agree with you. [00:26:00] Until the point where the nervous system works it through, and then all of a sudden there's this weird calm and this realization. The person usually looks up and they're like, oh, that person actually really loves me.

One of them literally said, I think I'm their favorite. Wow. And me at, you know, this one that I'm talking about. I was actually a facilitator at that with that person in the moment. I'm like, what? Because I believe her in that moment, she gets a, an email from the mother, you know, I just wanted to let you know, I never told you before how amazing you are, and I love you and how I'm proud of you, and this person is like.

Never in my life, like not ever in my life, has this person said this to me simultaneously, an offer on the $10 million business. Now you tell me how that happens. [00:27:00] It's crazy. It's so amazing. I, I am, I'm so blown away. 'cause that always makes me answer the question. Ask the question, what the hell is really going on?

Well, it it, what's really going on? I mean, the only thing I can guess is that your, your physical beliefs and it's a physical beliefs. It's not necessarily all there. It's between the brain and the body. How the brain and the body are talking to each other. Right. That literally creates a projection, like a movie screen to prove out what we feel is true.

The minute we no longer feel that way, the minute that project, it's literally like somebody flipped off the projector and turned on a new movie and you're like, oh my God, this is actually what's true. That's so cool. You know, here's what's so weird though, Brendan. We follow up with everybody about a month later [00:28:00] in session.

It's just a week later, but you know, with this event, it's about a month later, and when you ask the person about their life, they'll tell you all these amazing things that are happening. But when you ask them about that moment in time, like, you know, remember when your mom hated you? They looked blank.

They're like, oh, it wasn't that bad. It was a it, you know, really I didn't have that problem. I'm like, oh, right. That's so interesting. So what did you come to the event for? And then they'll be, I, I always start laughing. They're like, oh my God, you're right. 'cause it's written down in their book. They wrote it before they came, you know.

Ah, there we call it you know, cogno amnesia, because once it's gone. The body doesn't even really remember it cognitively. You can recall it, you know what happened in your life, but it's relegated to like, you know, a book on the shelf. You ever had a book that you read that you just didn't like? [00:29:00] You don't pick it up and read it again, right?

Yeah. You just don't like it, but it's there. That's what the memory becomes like. It's just not about me anymore. It's really interesting, but it, it, again, it shows you that like there is no. Objective truth then, because if you can change this hugely traumatic thing to you just being like, oh yeah, that thing that should show you that.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. You're holding the keys to change, to transmute anything, which is incredible. It's true. I have had the great honor and privilege of working with people in massive grief. Yeah. And for real, I mean, real things that happened like. You can't make up that they lost their five-year-old daughter. Oh yeah.

Of course you, you can't make that up. So people will ask like, how in the world would you work with someone? How do you change that? Like it's real true, but. Like our book, suffering is optimal, optional. It's the body that's suffering in grief. People [00:30:00] don't realize it, but there is physical pain. Mm. There is physical withdrawal from the neurological soup that you're in with that person.

You're constantly interacting with that other person no matter where they're on the planet. Once you're connected, so your nervous system is reaching for them and there's no. They're not there anymore, right? Until they are. But that's a different story. So what we do is we actually have the person find the physical sensation and we work that until the point where that sensation is no longer there.

So what happens is then the person is free to then remember their loved one with. Love with fun, like their eyes light up when they think about them. You still miss them. You still want them, but you're not in so much pain that everything else is shut down. And that's the reason [00:31:00] somebody will have a grief session is because they can't function.

And at some point you've gotta get back to life. I discovered this because I, I did it for myself. My parents died 35 days apart. Oh man. And I couldn't think, like I had a practitioner program that. I had to create people who had bought it. It wasn't finished like I was a mess. So I needed to get my, my body and brain back.

And I thought to myself, well, what do I want here? I want my eyes to light up when I think of them. Mm-hmm. That's what I want. So that's what I went for and I collapsed that pain in my body. My eyes light up when I think about them, and it doesn't mean that there are still aspects of the grieving process, but allows your you to do it really with love and grace and peace, and not in just tragic pain, which I think is valuable.

Yeah, no, by [00:32:00] truth I just meant. Let's say on the whole, most of us are running around with all these stories in our head about Yeah. How their life is and what happened to them. And like we're all so certain that they're all true and that the pain, mm-hmm. That this person caused and that they did this to me.

And what I'm saying is like all of those things can be unwound. Yeah, absolutely. So it doesn't nearly hold that emotional charge that knocks you on your ass, you know? A hundred percent. And, and you're right that it's not true. It's from one unique perspective. Yeah. In one nanosecond of time, right. That you sometimes you hold on to for your whole life.

Forever. Forever. This one second. And do you know that every time you think about it, like these files are so corrupt in our brains, that every time you think about that thing that the person did to you, they were so wrong. Everything in your environment is added to that story. So let's say I'm thinking about it and I eat [00:33:00] sushi, and that sushi makes me sick.

That file is added to the fight or flight program. Oh gosh. Around that issue. It makes it bigger. Whoa. Let's say that I'm talking to you and you have the same story, and we are really riffing on these jerks in our life, right? All of that will get added to my story as it pertains to my nervous system.

Geez. The nervous system is just looking like, is this really a threat? Ooh, I think it's a bigger one. Yeah. Let's give more energy to that. Here's the thing, when you release those things, you actually get that energy back. Yes. It's, you remember when I said it's like all your horsepower being routed to your door locks.

Our bodies are like that. These big programs, these big fight or flight programs, they drain our energy. And when you're in fight or flight, you don't heal. Your frontal lobes are not active. You, you're not really thinking. You think you are, but you're not. You're not. You can't be creative too. You're not [00:34:00] creative like, and that's how we become sicker and sicker and weaker and, right.

Yeah. Corrupt files. When you release that, literally in that moment, the body floods back and you can see it like the body flushes. You look like 10 years younger. It's amazing. It's a freeing in not mine, just because all of a sudden you now have your horsepower rerouted to to your, the true source of your energy.

Okay, so let's get to it. Yeah, let's talk about it. So how did you discover Cogno movement? Was it by throwing a bunch of soccer balls at people's heads? It was not, but that's a good idea. No. So you know, it's kind of a long, convoluted story, but the initial and a cognitive movement initially came from Bill and I were already kind of working together, doing other things.

Yeah. Bill had this idea he was working with some EMDR had learned a couple things about the brain, right? That the left part of the brain [00:35:00] likes color and geometric symbol, and the right side of the brain likes 3D touch and kinesthetic. Mm, I didn't know that. What if we used those two things to push information from the left brain to the right brain?

Right. What if we did that to get the brain to cycle normally? Because that's one of the big things that happens is the brain gets stuck and we don't cycle and we don't have that full cognition because we're stuck in one area of the brain. Is that bilateral stimulation then, would you? Bilateral stimulation is like EMDR is the left, right?

Yeah. And crossing over the center line of the body. So we decided to add the 3D. Touch using a, a ball color and symbol. And it really just started. Bill was working with a lot of old ladies and he was doing a lot of energy work doing, and they'd come in with their pains and he'd be able to help 'em, but they'd come back with it the next day.

So I was working as an [00:36:00] NLP practitioner neurolinguistic programming. Yeah. And my training was in brain remapping. So bill's like, you know, I'm using this ball thing and I'm getting some good, good results. I don't know really why it works. And I'm like, well that is a brain remap, right? But it took a long time.

So then I added, just moving through the, the body's own natural. Pattern of dealing with things, feeling logical, mind ideas and inspiration, low to high. Well, the minute we did that, we got it down to about 45 seconds to collapse a neural pattern. Whoa. So that's where it started. And then from there we've gotten to where if there's an issue that has to do with your nervous system, tremors, numbness, neuropathy.

Effects of cerebral palsy, those can be changed with this same technique. So [00:37:00] we realize that physical stimulation, the physical feeling in the body is the source. It's where the neural pattern is showing you right here. It's how the body does that pattern. So we find it there, and then the other end is in the eyes, because the eyes, everywhere you look attaches to a file in the brain.

If I were to ask you to think of your first childhood dog, you're gonna reach for it with your eyes where the file is, right. If I were to ask you to think about the deepest pain in your life, you just did it, you just flick to it. Your eyes are gonna go to that too. So it's like, you know, a Google for your brain or your eyeballs, they move to find information.

So we realized if we combine that feeling in the body with the eye position related to it, bing, bang, boom, that's the neural pattern. If we move it left right, low to high, [00:38:00] for example, is just one way. We show the body a different neural pattern. We give it access to other places in the brain to see itself, and the neural pattern just collapses itself.

The body does it. We don't, because the body's actually smart. It realizes, oh God, yeah, that's a waste of energy. That's not really a, a danger anymore. MM. Collapses and comes back. So that's kind of the foundations and how it evolved. At this point, there are hundreds and hundreds of small techniques that are a part of the program.

Mm. But that initial one, the left right. Low to high it, I mean, it changes a whole lot of things about the body. So, yeah. So would that be the one technique that people could try that you on their own, that you would say? Or is there anything that people could, no. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's actually super simple.

The reason that we encourage people to use something to keep their attention like a pen is 'cause you're real likely to cheat. You start [00:39:00] thinking about it and the next thing you know, your eyes are in the position that you normally use to think about it. Mm. So you want to force the brain to do something else.

So it's pretty easy. You literally, if you let your eyes drop, like you're gonna look at your own shirt. Think about the issue and the reason in the eyes are in the down position is this is the kinesthetic part of the brain. Think about it. If I'm sad, my eyes are gonna be down, right? Yeah. If you stub your toe, you know you did it, but you gotta look at it, right?

So eyes in the down position connects with that sensation, think about the issue, and then you literally have something in two hands and just start to move it left and right. Breathe into that sensation. Just let yourself feel it. Let it be the truth as much as it is, and then you just slowly will bring that up left and right, and you wanna go as far left [00:40:00] and as far right as you can, so you can access parts of the brain that you don't normally use.

Okay. Also, bilateral stimulation, right? Also, you're shifting hemispheres of the brain. You're really getting those eyes stretching and you're gonna move it. You'll just slowly like a talk up over the head and here's where you're gonna stay for a few seconds. Ideas and inspiration.

And then start again. And what you'll notice after about the third pass is you start to think, what, what was I thinking about? What was I talking about? Right? So the, sorry, the ideas and inspiration. Is that where you should be in? Not should be, but that's where you can input new. Thoughts, absolutely. But I would wait to do it till the last pass, because naturally you'll go to new thoughts.

Mm. And if you were to do ideas and inspiration and try to install, like let's say an [00:41:00] affirmation, that affirmation is probably not gonna be the affirmation you're gonna wanna use when the heavy neural pattern is gone. Yeah. It's gonna be something else altogether. So it's, yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. So it's rewiring itself through your whole body.

'cause this is where a huge jump for me has been recently. I always thought it was just the brain, but it's your whole body. It's the whole thing It, no, the brain is literally just translating the rest of the information. Wow. That's it. We're idiots. That's it. But, but you know what it also does, it also could confirmation, right?

Like, oh yeah, that person's a jerk. They're out to get me. Body feels, it sends a signal to the brain. The brain's like, oh, that feeling means bad. Yep. Okay. I found 14 other files that feel just like that. I'm gonna send a signal back to the body confirming confirmed red alert. Danger, danger, danger. Right?

Body's like, [00:42:00] yep. Danger. And it's gonna send a signal back again. So this is where we call it a neurological loop. It's round and round and round and round. Now, Brendan, what did Nicola Tesla tell us about energy moving in a circle? What does it create? Field. A field. Well, I'm good. Ding, ding, ding. So remember we were talking about how do you, how is it projecting reality?

Yes. It's just creating a, a field and a tractor beam for anything else that feels like it. Oh yeah. Okay. I just made that sound because it's so relatable and the loop that I had been stuck in and I think I'm finally not doing anymore. It's just like. Endless and then you don't. But the thing is like you don't know how to break it.

You don't realize that there's another option. So it's really cool that, that you can feel that these modalities exist. It's amazing. Yeah. [00:43:00] You know, in the end you would think, oh my God, you feel stupid that I had that belief or feeling. It, it's really not true. It, it's, it's just the way that your body has devised to try to keep you safe and alive, and until you know better, you can't do better.

Once you know it, once you know that you can collapse that feeling and thought in about five minutes. And you don't do it well, that might be a little stupid, but also that's a joke. But also you get to do that as long as you want. Have you ever had a breakup ever broke up with somebody? Only a hundred times.

Only a hundred times. Well, I don't know what guys do, but girls we're like, okay, we know we're probably gonna sit home and eat ice cream and not wash our hair for a week. Right. Yeah. We actually literally know the timeframe in which we are going to suffer. Wow. Right. You know you're gonna do it. You're projected into the future, but then you [00:44:00] realize you gotta get back out there at some point.

Right? What changes, what, what? What's the shift? Right? All of a sudden. Okay. Time's up. So if you apply that to yourself on other things, all right, I'm gonna let myself suffer as long as I want. It's kind of fun. It's a thing we don't get to do when we're not in these bodies. I'm gonna suffer and then I'm sick of it.

I'm ready to do something else that you just, so there's literally no judgment in that. So nice holding onto it as long as you want to. That's so nice. So what about a chronic. General thought or state, which let's talk about scarcity. Yeah, let's talk about that. Is that a sensation or is that a series of a long-term patterns of thinking or passed down from our parents?

Like it's because it's not one event usually, right? No, no, no. It's all of that put together. In fact, this work, [00:45:00] if you can locate a core sensation, which is what you're describing. It will change your genetics. And weirdly, it changes it for the people in your life as well. Like if you have kids, all of a sudden they act different, parents act different.

Like you change it along the genetic line, right? It, it's the most interesting thing to see when a parent does the work on themselves for something that's going on with their kid and their kid changes, right? Mm-hmm. So here's how those things get built. I'll share mine. Yeah. We call this a core feeling and it's that thing that sort of underlines everything in your life and you sort of think, I've always felt this way and it's the truth about me.

Right? So during this time when I discovered the grief set, this was in there too, it just popped up. It was this kind of underlying feeling, and it would hit me right here in the throat and right at the top of the [00:46:00] solar plexus, like being clotheslined. And I became aware that when I wanted to do something and it was about to run into the electric fence, I would feel this feeling, you know, yeah, hold me back.

So I took myself on a little timeline exercise, and I went back through my life year by year to see where that feeling particularly held me back or spurred me on to do something that didn't work out that well. You know that feeling where you feel like it's intuition and I'm like, oh, I gotta do it and I gotta do it right now.

Right? And you do it and it just crashes, that kind of a thing. Right? I went and all the way back in my life to four years old and all I was doing is falling the sensation, physical sensation. And when I followed it, I realized I had memories of all of these. Thanks. I was four years old and I was probably saying something real [00:47:00] weird 'cause that's who I am.

Great. You know, I could see things that other people couldn't see. New things people, other people didn't know and not really frightened my family, but I didn't know because I was four because. I'd said something and my mom looked at me in shock and more than I, I could remember the impact of the feeling on my body.

'cause at four you still think you're part of your mom's body, you know? And she said, don't say that. That's ridiculous. Hmm. Okay. Who knows what else happened that day. Maybe I was hangry. Maybe my underwear were too tight, right? Maybe my brother had kicked me. I don't know. But that impacted my body and stuck.

It was the most dangerous thing I had experienced so far. Okay. So throughout my life, from that point on, my body would look for things that were similar. Don't be ridiculous. Ah, right now, not logically, [00:48:00] physically like, Ooh, you know, you are gonna ask me to sing in front of everybody. That might be ridiculous.

Don't do that. Right? You know, I'm gonna get outta my lane and become something bigger than I think I should be up. That would be ridiculous. So it creates what we call neurological stacks. They're things that seem completely unrelated, but to the body, feel the same. They create this really heavy stack of emotions and neurological patterns, right?

But they all have a singular thread, that feeling in the body, and it is the thing that creates our electric fence. So what we do is go after that core feeling. If a person already knows, I've kind of had this my whole life, I just have this underlying current. We have to do is find it just in a few places.

Use that sensation and show the body. It's not true [00:49:00] because the body knows it. It's like, oh, none of that killed me. Right? Nope. Alright. It collapses. Then all of that energy goes back to real life, and now your mind is not held in that prison, that electric fence, it no longer holds you back. You just don't think about it anymore.

You don't have the sensation, so you move about life in a completely new way. Okay, let me, let me tell you a real vulnerable one if we're taking for it, it it pertains to you actually. Oh yeah. No, no, no. In a good way. I looked at going to your event. And in San Diego, and I looked at, I was like, I would totally go to this.

This is over my birthday. I live in Southern California, but I can't, I can't currently afford to go. Yeah. So what happens is then my body will be like, oh, you can't change. You're not gonna change. Then I feel shame for not being able to go and not go. And then I feel like it's a total electrical fence.

Yeah. And this is, this has been coming up for me [00:50:00] for like the last three years probably. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So what would you do? Just trace that back through that feeling. Yeah, so there's two ways you can go about it. One is that you could trace it back through life and see where you know where the underlying feeling is.

The other would be just to go at the most current thing, focus on the sensation. So when you think about that, where does your body get active? Kinda like my lower part of my stomach, I think. Okay. Lower part of your stomach, right? Yeah. So just let your eyes drop to your shirt and breathe into that. Like, welcome the sensation.

Let it be there as much as it is. Yeah. Okay. Let it be as true as it is, you can't afford it. Notice what it feels like and how often you felt exactly like that. Just really breathe into the sensation. Let your body acknowledge that place. Let it [00:51:00] get a little bit bigger. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Okay. Now open your eyes and just let your eyes sweep across the floor.

All the way left. All the way, right. All, yeah. Feel a little soreness in your eyes there. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Really make 'em stretch and breathe into the sensation. Keep your focus on it. It's true. You really, really feel that way.

Let it get bigger if you want. It's a hundred percent the truth. Can't afford it. This has happened before the last three years. You've been really feeling like this. Running into it. Good. Now let your eyes just move up a little bit left and right, but come up a little bit. Come up a little bit higher, right there.

Just notice that sensation you can't afford it. Really wanna go? I feel like you've been running against this a long time. [00:52:00] Really let your eyes move all the way left. Stretch 'em. There you go. And let that feeling in the body be just as absolutely true as it is. Good. Something just shifted. What was it? I dunno.

Good. Did the sensation change a little bit? Might have gotten bigger. Can get worse even. No, it hasn't gotten worse. I think it's getting better. It's definitely not gotten worse. Let yourself focus on it. Keep going. So right, you're in eyes and ears. Logical mind, part of the brain neutrality. Just keep breathing into that.

It's true. Or at least you thought it was a few minutes ago, you can't afford it. And maybe there's some, some feelings around that and it's so familiar. Good. So move up just a little bit, just like right about your eyebrow level now. Right about there. A little higher. A little higher than that. Even eyes up.

Yeah. There you go. [00:53:00] Really let 'em stretch. Let yourself just feel the way you do. Did you get stuck there for a sec? Yeah. Yeah. So in that place where you got stuck, just let your eyes be there. Just to your left. Yeah. Move them up just a tiny good. And notice if there's a time or a place or a moment in which you felt that way.

Maybe there's a face, maybe there's a random thought. I mean. Your dad's mustache, a dog, whatever. What's there? Anything? Or just a sensation? Thought about my dad yelling at me. Good. Let that play out just for a second. Breathe into it. Keep your eyes pegged to that place. That's the neural pattern that holds that memory.

Congratulations. Just let it play out. Feel it. Notice how familiar that sensation is that one that you had in your belly. And how it, how it attaches to [00:54:00] that moment in particular. Just breathe into it and let it be exactly what it is or what it was. You're doing great. If you're listening in the audience and you guys follow along with this and you found a spot like this, just stay there for a few seconds.

30 seconds a minute. Alright, good. Something just shifted now. Let your eyes keep going again. Move. There you go. Just let that feeling be there. You wanted to come to the event, but just can't afford it. And, and it was so familiar. Good. Now let your eyes move up a little higher. Just right there. Good. Really let 'em stretch.

Breathe into it. Good. And we're talking about, you know, an event, but you know how it relates to a bunch of other stuff too, and there's this feeling about it. Yeah. Good. Just breathe into that. We're now moving. Out of logical mind and into ideas and inspiration, but we're not there yet. We're [00:55:00] still eyes and ears.

What have I heard? What do I know? What have I seen? And neutral. Good. Now it's gonna be a little difficult with your hat, but now let your eyes move like across your eyebrows like you're looking at the ceiling. Let your chin drop a little. Yeah, let your chin come down. We want the eyes to stretch. Okay. It might be a little uncomfortable 'cause we just don't do this.

We don't spend time in the up position. This is ideas and inspiration, but I still want you to stay in that truth. Or at least we thought it was a few minutes ago. I can't afford it. I wanna come.

Keep breathing into it. Really breathe good. Just a few more seconds and feel that sensation. Whatever's left of it might be the same, might have changed. Might be something new. [00:56:00] And I want you to just ask this one question. We're kind of short cutting here, but Okay. What else is possible? Just let your chin drop a little.

I want your, your neck in the down position. Yeah, eyes up. Just what else is possible because this is the eye position in the eyes up. We literally access eye win ID and inspiration, reverence and you know, spirituality actually is there that inspiration part. Worship. So in this position, what else is possible about just at least affording that event or something else that you want as well?

What else is possible?

Good. All right. And just let your eyes come back down. Kind of shake it off and move around. Move your spine a little bit. And then just go back to that initial thought and just what's different [00:57:00] about it now? It's a lot less charged. Yeah. And like you said, it's hard to even find it. Yeah. And your eyes are a little sore, aren't they?

That's funny. I'll tell you, tell you something. So what you just did is you just moved your eyes, like you probably did when you were a toddler, a little kid. You know, I see a little kids and they're like googly eyed. Their eyes are everywhere. Their eyes are up and moving around and stretching and you know, they're all over the place because they're utilizing so much more of their brain.

Mm-hmm. So you just had the opportunity to explore. All of the areas of your brain, a whole lot of them, not all, as it pertains to that feeling in your body. Hmm. That's awesome. Yeah. So you, you would tell people, first of all, thank you for that. Yeah. I wasn't expecting that. That was amazing. This is why I do this podcast.

I get such great coaching. This is the reason why. But you would tell people that's what, [00:58:00] and if the feeling still persisted, just to go back and do another set of that kind of, yeah. Okay. That's the move. Alright. Yeah. You could do it three or four times and I promise you, if you're really honest with yourself about moving your eyes, and I, I really do recommend using your hands too, because it allows for that kinesthetic part.

You know, holding onto something and just following it left and right, low to high, you're honest with yourself and really moving your eyes and just thinking about that thing. By the end of about three rounds, people could be a completely different thing. Hmm. That's amazing. Alright, so let me, I'm gonna, we'll, we'll wrap it up here, but I'm gonna say, I'm gonna list a bunch of things and tell me if Cogno movements will help with them.

How do you feel? Awesome. Okay. Feelings of lack. Absolutely. Sugar cravings. Oh yeah, yeah. Cravings are awesome. Absolutely. Yes. Really? How does that same thing you just do? Great. Oh my gosh. That's the funnest one. You get to actually have the thing, eat it, [00:59:00] taste it, and love it. While doing that basic, really that motion, there's a little tiny, tiny bit more and it collapses a craving so fast.

I was literally. Watching, helping coach a SI session on chocolate chip cookies and it whammied me. Whoa. They were one of my favorite thing and now they just taste like nothing. Like really? Yeah. No kidding. Alright. Wanting to be a dj? The fear of it, the lack of it or the manifestation of it? The answer's yes.

Relationships. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Relationships are one of the things that really drives me to do this work because we're in each other's neurological soup. We have calibrated loops with each other, and when one collapses, it's free for the whole relationship to become brand new. It is gorgeous, that part, which [01:00:00] is gorgeous.

Okay. A couple more increased energy. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, you'll experience that today. Okay. Getting companies to stop sending me emails, telling me they've updated their terms and agreements. You know actually we have changed the rules of a company before by doing this collectively. So I'm gonna say yes, probably you can do that.

Okay. I love that. And it, so that one would be related to what's the sensation around it? What's the irritation? Why are you upset by it? Yeah. Why does it irritate you? Not why, not why, but where. What is the sensation about that that keeps getting your attention? Great. So that's what I guess we'll leave this tip for people that to start diving in is just start by answering the question, where is the sensation?

Is that true? Yeah. Where is it? What does it actually feel like to have this sensation? All right, last question I ask everybody. If you could tell people one thing to tell themselves all day long, what would it be? [01:01:00] You know, is what I'm feeling actually true? Is it real or is it just a sensation and is it me?

Is this amazing and answer? And if so, you can do something about it. It's like the most annoying, but also the greatest superpower you could ever have. I love that. All right, well, you wanna tell me where they can find you? You guys have a great event coming up. You can plug that We do. Can I give everybody a gift?

Yeah, of course. Okay. So, you know, we've been on Gaia a bunch of times, you know, Gaia the streaming service. Yeah. So every time we're on, we create a free class for them. So we've got like 10, 11 actually. So I wanna give you guys this one to start and you, you can get all the rest of 'em, you can find 'em on there.

But it's cogno movement.com/. Gaia, GAIA and what it is, it's actually an hour long class on the levels of consciousness. How these [01:02:00] feelings in our body relate to how we are creating our lives. It's awesome. It's actually Bill McKenna teaching it, and if you will go to our YouTube channel, which is also cogno movement, you can find seven hours of healing, seven hours of what I just taught you.

Our practitioners from around the world do five to 10 to 30 minute sessions, so you can literally do seven hours worth of it if you want to with explanations and on all of that kind of stuff. Our event is happening September eight through 12th in San Diego, California, best city. It is called Cogno Conscious, and it is the hardest thing you'll ever do in your life and the most fun.

You, you leave a different human. It's not like seminar high and ideas and lectures. You literally are working from shame to enlightenment, the emotions and feelings [01:03:00] related to them. So when you leave, you are rewired and a new, a new human. And that's what people say. You just feel like the world is a, a new place.

It's not for everyone because it is really intense. The people who attend it are, I mean, they're the most magnificent people I've ever seen in my life. 'cause they're ready to do this. Like, yeah, not everybody's willing to look at themselves as steeply, but the people that come are amazing and people end up with truly lifelong family from it.

Plus you get to meet Bill and I in person. So Sep, September eight through 12th in San Diego's that event, are you worried that since it's in San Diego it's gonna be 79 degrees instead of 78? No. You know, San Diego, I don't think that's true. I, I mean, I've been there when it rains. I've been there when it's muggy.

Town is magical man. I'm just happy to be there. I, it is a beautiful place. It's the best fun. Even though it's a big city. There's all these [01:04:00] little burgs, little Italy is my, oh yeah. My happy place for obvious reasons, but I mean, it's just gorgeous and, and the people are fun and you know, that's what I think it's the most, I think it's the best in America.

All right. Well this has been so awesome. Thank you so much. Thanks for all your help. Yeah, you're welcome.