Vanessa Eryn: Stop Hiding Your Creativity — On Identity, ADHD, Imposter Syndrome & Building Real Creative Community

What does it mean to stop hiding your creativity — not just think about it, but actually do it? In this episode of The Creative Odyssey Podcast, host Sheran Ranasinghe sits down with multidisciplinary artist, marketer, tattoo artist, and community builder Vanessa Eryn at Future Ink Graphics in Cleveland, Ohio for one of the most honest conversations the show has ever had about creative identity, imposter syndrome, ADHD, and the real cost of shrinking yourself to fit into a world that hands you a box and waits.

Vanessa opens by saying she stopped defining herself — and that decision changed everything. From there, the conversation goes deep: how a supportive mother created a home where even her friends could be more creative, the unspoken gravity that creative people feel about their work and why it's so hard to explain to someone who doesn't create, and how Vanessa learned to stop moderating her passion around people who didn't understand it.

She also gets candid about her recent ADHD diagnosis — and how finally having a name for the way her brain works unlocked better systems, better time management, and a deeper trust in her own intuition. She talks about limiting social media to four hours a day, relying on her planner like a limb, and finding the one thing that quiets her mind enough to keep going.

The conversation moves into Vanessa's work at FIG — Future Ink Graphics — a community-rooted creative organization in Cleveland's Clark-Fulton neighborhood that works with youth, emerging artists, and the broader creative community. It's here that Vanessa's natural ability to see potential in people who can't yet see it in themselves found its home.

She and her collaborator Carla Wagner also created The Artist Dinners — an intimate gathering for artists across different mediums and career stages, built around food, jazz, and wine instead of networking anxiety — because Vanessa believes safe environments are the prerequisite for authentic ones.

This episode closes with something both Sheran and Vanessa believe deeply: creativity is not a personality type. It belongs to everyone. The CEOs, the scientists, the athletes — anyone who brings their own style to what they do is already creating. The only question is whether you're willing to stop hiding it.

This episode was recorded at and sponsored by Future Ink Graphics (FIG), Cleveland, Ohio.

Guest: Vanessa Eryn | Instagram: @vavaeryn Host: Sheran Ranasinghe | Instagram: @thecreativeodysseypodcast Email: thecreativeodysseypodcast@gmail.com

Transcript

SPEAKER_05 0:00

I stopped defining myself and that's helped me a lot. It can just get stressful to put yourself in a box when there's ebbs and flows to like what you are gravitating to.

SPEAKER_02 0:12

There's always this like unstead understanding that we're doing some serious stuff. But nobody mentions that. If you were to explain that to a non-creative person, how would you explain that?

SPEAKER_05 0:24

I am so comfortable and so confident in my process. Even if you are non-creative, I want you to feel that for me. Because everyone's looking to feel something.

SPEAKER_02 0:36

The other side of that story is you're meeting up with creative who you see potential, but they're struggling with impossible temperature. Goal is to say we are creating regardless of if you're Picasso or not, right? We're still creating. Hi, welcome to the Creative Artists Podcast. My name is Sharon, and this is a podcast where we talk about the creative journey, why people create, and why pretty much everybody should create. Today, here we are at Future in Graphics here in Cleveland, Ohio. It's a really cool organization, business that is really all about community and creativity. So today I'm highlighting one of the creatives that are uh that is um involved and and connected with FIG, Vanessa Aaron. Thanks for being here.

SPEAKER_00 1:42

Hi, thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_02 1:44

You're welcome. So tell me how do you define you as a creative?

SPEAKER_05 1:49

Um I kinda have stopped defining myself and that's helped me a lot. Um for any multidisciplinary artist, that'll make a lot of sense. It can just get stressful to put yourself in a box when you, you know, there's ebbs and flows to like what you are gravitating to. Um so I do a lot of different things. If I had I guess if I had to put myself in a box, I'd say I was multidisciplinary.

SPEAKER_02 2:16

Okay, cool. The only reason I ask is um since I'm in my mission is to inspire people to create, I want to show how artists understand themselves and and so multi- multidisciplinary that sounds good, creative. How did you get here?

SPEAKER_05 2:35

Um, I was really lucky. I had a great mom who always pushed me to try different things. And if I showed any interest as a as a young kid in anything, uh whether that you know be scientific or sports related, she was going to put me in the space to be better at that. Um and my niche was always art, that's always what I gravitated to. So I was really blessed to have a supportive parent who just she always had my back. She always, you know, pushed me to keep exploring that. So that's the basis of how I've gotten here. Um, and then just because I started from a young age exploring things, I never really had a fear to try different things. I think there was just a fear of um, you know, exposing those things outwardly to the world, like, you know, on a public level. But I've I've always like, if you come into my home, it's like, oh, I made the pillows on the couch, I'm decorating the wall, I might have a mural in my space. So it's like it's always all around me. But yeah, I think I straight away from no, it's fine.

SPEAKER_02 3:52

So um let me ask you, your mom. If you were to put into words, like how do you take that that that um because most of the time growing up means not doing all those things and like doing the right thing and all these this this thing, not the right thing, but like the right career field, all these exams, whatever, right? Yeah, how was there friction between you you and that oh was there was there friction between you and like the the the world you were subjected to?

SPEAKER_05 4:33

Oh for sure. Like my peers at the time, especially in high school, um, you know, they kind of ran to my mom with their ideas because she was so supportive of just being yourself and expressive. She's an artist herself at heart and just a creative. Um, so yeah, it was interesting because a lot of the kids that I was closest to were, you know, their parents were just by the book. And there's nothing necessarily wrong with that. You know, we're all working with the cards we were dealt. Um, but I had friends that were like hiding their creativity and would come around me and you know, be more creative. So there was, I guess, stagnant if we were dealing with like their parents, but like um stat, not stagnant, static if we were dealing with their parents. But you know, when it was like in my space or just with me, it was always like an expressive environment. I feel like I have a strong habit of bringing that out in people because even when I was confused about how I wanted to present myself, I'm just a full-fledged creative. Like I can't hide it if I if I tried to, you know.

SPEAKER_02 5:46

So what do you what does it mean to express yourself?

SPEAKER_05 5:53

Um, there's a million ways to express yourself. No, no, no. Um not how.

SPEAKER_02 5:58

Oh, what does it mean to express?

SPEAKER_05 6:01

Uh to just not overthink it too much. I think people overthink, you know, what others are thinking of them, and then that makes you kind of like cut off access of like what you actually are to fit into a mold. So I would just say not doing that and trying, it's hard at first, like baby steps, but I think like with anything, if you just keep at it, it naturally that's just the way it's gonna be for you. So just showing up authentically, no matter the space, also knowing like if you're in a room, you belong there. So, you know, just present yourself as you are.

SPEAKER_02 6:42

Um I'm getting to know you. So uh how among all the people you hang out with, what percentage of people are creative and non-creative?

SPEAKER_05 6:55

Um, I don't, I feel like now everyone is a creative that I hang out with. It's like that is my village is truly everyone is just yeah, in their own mediums, and we kind of all come together, you know, through said projects, or we outsource each other instead of going, you know, anywhere else. So I I've been really, really lucky to have the friends that I have. It's uh you interviewed uh one of them earlier, Santana, that's like my brother, but um yeah, we we outsource each other. So everyone's a creative, everyone has something that they do.

SPEAKER_02 7:36

So when creative people hang out with each other, we immediately join into the brainstormings of ideas and stuff like that. But we never talk about why this thing that we're talking about is so serious to us. If you were to explain it, how would you repeat the question for me? So, like creative people, let's say we go out to coffee with somebody, a creative person, we immediately talk about the projects, the ideas we have. But it's but there's always this like unsaid understanding that we're doing some serious stuff, but nobody mentions that. It's like it only happens when you're with a creative person. So I am trying to ask you if you were to explain that to a non-creative person, meaning non-person who's not involved in creating, how would you explain that?

SPEAKER_05 8:30

You mean like explaining like my projects to them and the serious why you're doing it, why the project destroyed, why? That is a that's a great question. Um I used to kind of like again contour, you know, how I would how my approach would be, maybe not as because I'm very empathetic and it can come off dramatic, especially when I'm speaking on something I'm passionate about. So with people who don't get that, of course, you're like a bit more reserved. Like what just happened to me. And you're like, you're at that point, you're not being yourself even. Um, but I have grown out of that where I am just I'm just giving it exactly how it is. And I've been fortunate enough with, and I think this is from years of like just being in spaces where I have to learn how to communicate and network, and especially doing the marketing here. It's like I'm very comfortable talking to everyone. I know that's not a skill a lot of people have. So when you don't have that, you can it can be harder to express yourself in an in a dramatic way and a non-dramatic way. But I feel like I am so comfortable and and so confident in my process and the things that I'm making and taking on that I want, even if you are a non-creative, I want you to feel that for me because usually that just draws people in closer. Like everyone's looking, looking to feel something, yeah, no matter if you're creative or not. So people are attracted to passion and confidence. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 10:08

So the other side of that story is you're meeting up with uh a creative who you see potential, but they're struggling with uh imposter syndrome, right? So then it's just more like you seeing good, which what sounds like what you're doing already.

SPEAKER_05 10:31

Yeah. We encourage them and uh so I that that kind of is uh the basis of the job a little bit in the sense of like um, you know, if I'm trying to help someone present themselves to social media, I have to they sometimes the person doesn't always see themselves in the light that I'm I can see them in and that I know will be successful to the market. So convincing them of that, um I would just say it's like just having a more personable, having more personable moments with the people you're working with and getting to know them on their level, meeting people at the level they're at sometimes. That really helps a lot because you don't, we all we're humans, everybody has their own trauma, everybody's coming from whatever, and it's like you that might be why that person is a little more shy or a little hesitant to you know act on certain ideas. So just kind of listening first and like seeing where they're at, and then from there having those meaningful conversations. And that's actually why I started my most recent project with my partner, Carla Wagner. She's awesome. I have to give her a shout out. Um, it's called The Artist Dinners. So we hosted our first one at Fig, and the basis of them was to create an environment from artists from different mediums, different tenures in the career, so that they could all come into a more intimate space and just, you know, have a glass of wine, listen to some jazz, have some good food. Because most of the time when you go into these networking environments, it's just it's tough, you know, to like really see who you, you know, could get along with. And then people have their walls up or they're clicked up, and it's you know, and if you're already most artists aren't extroverts, yeah. So that's another thing.

SPEAKER_03 12:23

Yeah, that's so true.

SPEAKER_05 12:25

That is another thing I'm learning working with so many different artists. They're like, wow, how are you talking to all these people all the time? I'm just I I don't understand the other way. So it's it's interesting, but that's why I created that to balance that out because if there is a space that feels safe enough, what I've noticed with people, yeah, everybody will just be themselves, you know. So, but you have to set the tone for that environment, and yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:51

That's very cool. That's very cool, that's awesome. Um, so you're a multidisciplinary, um, and you had a mom who was an artist who allowed you to create, who let you just do whatever pretty much you want to do as far as creative is concerned. As an adult, how do you look at all these multidisciplinary things that ways to express yourself? How do you not overwhelm yourself?

SPEAKER_05 13:22

Um, well, it's interesting. Like, I just recently, so my whole life, I've kind of struggled with um attention to detail. I mean, I'm either hyper obsessed with something, or I'm like, I touch it and I put it back. And, you know, that had been a thing throughout my life. And recently I just went to go see what that was, and of course, I was diagnosed with ADHD. Like extreme.

SPEAKER_00 13:49

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SPEAKER_02 13:58

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SPEAKER_00 14:08

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SPEAKER_02 14:26

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SPEAKER_00 14:32

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SPEAKER_04 14:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 14:45

Of course, I was diagnosed with ADHD, like extreme ADHD. So I'm like, oh my gosh, everything makes so much sense now. But so that learning that, learning that I have that and kind of reading up more and studying that more and how to manage that and like be better with my time management. Literally, I rely on my planner, like it is just a part. It's like a limb at this point. Like I check it every day, I fill it out every night because I will forget and my time management will be off. So I think just kind of having those honest conversations with yourself about number one, what you can handle, because sometimes we pick up too much. Um, so Stephanie says this thing that I think about often that life is short, but it's also really long. And I think living in the time frame we're in, um, at least my age group, we have extreme pressure on us to be everything, everywhere all at once, or you're just constantly comparing yourself to how fast someone seems like they're moving, you know, so that can just cause havoc in the mind to get done what you need to get done. So I I would say I have lessened my time, my personal time on social media. I just still work in social media for other people. Yeah, but having that cutoff time is like very important.

SPEAKER_02 16:05

Um, how many hours?

SPEAKER_05 16:07

Uh because I do work in social media. That's fine. No judgment here. You don't have to say, I mean like four a day. Wow, that's impressive. And it took a while to get there. It's impressive.

SPEAKER_02 16:19

I don't want to tell you that it's not.

SPEAKER_05 16:21

And that's including like work and personal. So yeah, it's that's huge. Yeah, it took a long time to get to that. Um, but I it's helped so much, and it's helped me to kind of trust my intuition about where I want to go with my path. Um, so I would just say time management, having a having something that you answer to, but then also having something that, as a multidisciplinary artist, having something that centers you. For me, it's Pilates. Some people do yoga. For me, it's nice to have like, because I'm not super sporty, it's nice to have that activity, you know, in my routine.

SPEAKER_04 16:56

Right, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_05 16:57

Um, but exercising, like going to the gym, that makes me feel like all right, I can if I do that in the morning, I can do anything. So I think that's been a really big change for me because I struggled a lot with that actually in my past.

SPEAKER_02 17:10

So you mentioned that you started off as an as a tattoo artist. Yes. And then you kind of like paused all of that to be a multidisciplinary, right? Am I right?

SPEAKER_05 17:22

Yeah, well, like I've always slightly done tattoos. It's like I can't ever fully do that. That's what I've never paused.

SPEAKER_02 17:29

Yeah. Um, I guess my question is one, what made you go from that transition to do all of these things? And then the second question is how do you decide which one to do, which multi-discipline discipline to do?

SPEAKER_05 17:45

Um, so I will say I haven't fully decided which to do. It's kind of like understanding time and place. Like I know right now this is the time for me to hyper focus on my marketing career because it's growing and it's it's like I'm either gonna catch up to that or get left behind. So it's just kind of like priority. Um, but also knowing, like, you know, this is a talent that I've harnessed and I've put the 10,000 hours in as far as tattooing. So if I want to, I can always come back to that. Um, and yeah, just kind of going where the need is great. And right now it's in marketing, and marketing has progressed to website development. So it's just, yeah, that's where I gotta focus. And I've actually just recently started a course um, you know, to progress in that and like further educate myself.

SPEAKER_02 18:36

So I think the beautiful thing about creatives, create uh free creatives, creatives are very free um mentally, pays-wise, is that you understand following your curiosity is the most important thing, right? When you do that, you end up learning all these skills. Like, I didn't know how to edit videos, right? I didn't know how to do this setup, right? But you get backed in a corner, and it's like because the drive, the passion is the thing. It's like I want to do this, I want to highlight people, I know there's something really powerful here, yes, but it means sometimes that two hours is gonna take me to fix an issue, you know, and I might lose uh a guest who was supposed to be here because of timing. It's I think the thing I've understood about multi-creatives of being a creative is that uh you have to be okay with messy.

SPEAKER_05 19:32

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:34

You have to be okay with setbacks, like literally, like it shouldn't that it just happens. It's part of the recipe, right?

SPEAKER_05 19:43

Yeah, and I think um kind of leaning into that because it's like it's messy, but it's it's beautiful at the same time because you might you might happen to run into someone that you end up having a lifelong connection with, you might discover again a new skill that you're capable of. So it's just kind of like letting life be what it is. I would say it's easiest to do that when you know that you've done your best to cover the basis that you could cover. Like you know, for example, you brought your equipment, you tried your best to say, but that still happens. So it's like when you show up fully and you're trying, everything's a blessing. Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:24

Yeah, yeah. 100%. Um what's your message?

SPEAKER_05 20:31

My message like what's your mantra?

SPEAKER_02 20:34

What do you like? How do you how do you function? What what keeps you going?

SPEAKER_05 20:40

Oh man, I would say I I'm really big on community. So I think that's what's gotten me through like this past year, because this past year has been extreme changes, like constantly. Like I couldn't have even fathomed the changes that are happening now and the projects that are coming up two years ago. So I would say having the village that I do. Um, and before I even had this village, for the people who are struggling to find their people, I made my own fake village and I had YouTube mentors that I would go to and I would seek out advice. And you know, I feel like when I started doing that, number one, it started shedding anybody that wasn't supposed to be around and making room for that new community. So I would just say if you if you don't have the people around you right now, use your resources, further educate yourself, and it will just naturally happen because you'll be in that environment at that at that show, in that library, at that coffee shop to meet those people. Um, and then having community is that's that's how I'm like sane doing all of this is I have friends that I can call and go to and you know, vents. Get advice, yeah. And I have great mentors, like Stephanie is has been one of my mentors, and she's really been a godsend for me. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:10

I think that's huge that you have people who can talk about you can go and talk about creativity.

SPEAKER_03 22:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:15

For the longest time, I had nobody talking about creativity, and I didn't know they didn't understand me. And until I decided, you know what, one day I'm like, I'm gonna like I didn't even have anybody. I had a good friend of mine who was a creative and he went to move to Kirk Columbus. And then I was like, that's when I realized I needed people, people like him. So people I have heard that were creative, I decided to reach out to them and say, hey, can we hang out and create something?

SPEAKER_05 22:40

And that's that's really what it is, is like not having too prideful, but not being too prideful.

SPEAKER_02 22:48

It wasn't because like the thing is this, right? Like I talked to um Alessus earlier about like the thing that let's say we create a whole community, it's a beautiful space, we invite people to creatives to come. But you you know very well that we are not gonna connect. Creatives are not gonna connect. Why? Imposter syndrome, meaning there's this thing, this this we look at people and and look at their skill levels and their expertise, and all of a sudden we put a boundary on ourselves. And that's why I asked yourself like what's the difference between a seasoned artist and a new person who's about to paint? There's nothing. Both of them are creating. And yet when we come to a space uh where it's community creatives, we put these all these things over us. Yeah, and and and the the goal is to break that wall. Goal is to say we are creating regardless of if you're Picasso or not, right? We're still creating. And the whole point is to make other people create so that we can be healthy mentally.

SPEAKER_05 23:52

Yeah, absolutely. I completely agree with that.

SPEAKER_02 23:55

So um I think it's cool that you're doing the community thing that that's so powerful, and especially like breaking that barrier, like you are breaking a barrier there by adding food and like kind of that vibe to it. This podcast started out of that uh effort. I um first time I hung out with my friend Ben, we went at woodwork together, he taught me how to weld. Um, and then we talked about life and we connected. The other guy was a music composer, I can play my piano, and we ended up jamming together. And I was like, What am I doing with my life? Yeah, why am I not hanging out with people all the time? Right. And I'm 38.

SPEAKER_05 24:32

Yeah, you know what I mean. Wow, but some people never come to that. No, so yeah, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 24:38

It's it's so that's why I'm saying, like, if more people created, like, I have nothing against ports if you're playing. I have nothing against sports if you're playing, but you're watching it like six hours, however many long, however many hours you watch.

SPEAKER_04 24:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:54

Unless with community, that's a different story. I'm getting carried away now here. But the point is that that creative people need community, but also these communities have a huge responsibility. It's not just about the event, it's not just about the poor people you're gonna have on talking, it's about the people that are coming there.

SPEAKER_05 25:14

I could go on and on and on about that because there are a lot of different collectives where you see that their goal is to like gain money from the merch or gain money from the event, or it's just all money-centered, or like they've already have they already have a layout for the click that they see that they want to come from that event. And it's like, well, this isn't organic at all. And people are still more people feel more than we think that they do. So when people are coming into a space like that, they can feel that and know that like I'm not fully accepted here, so I'm not gonna display myself. And I I have felt that um, you know, coming into scenes, and it is like there's no need for it, there's just no need for it, and it really has to do with people being scared of competition, people old, the older generation being scared of the younger generation coming up and gatekeeping. It's just like this ongoing cycle that just hurts the community as a whole. So, yeah, I really that has always bothered me.

SPEAKER_02 26:24

Like it's almost like keep your titles and your experience at the door. We are just a bunch of creatives just literally coming here because we've spent way too much time in our rooms in our studio.

SPEAKER_03 26:36

I need to chat, right?

SPEAKER_02 26:38

So we can connect with some human being who's probably going to the same thing, right? But we're not, we don't. So that's cool that you think about that and you have this kind of vision of um so then okay. So you see you work with creatives, you live and breathe creativity. How do you define a creative person?

SPEAKER_05 26:58

Um, I think you can be creative in you can be creative in science, you can be creative, you know, when it comes to sports. I think it just it's about having your own style of doing things. And that is, I think, what makes a creative. But you can apply creativity to so much. So it's kind of that's kind of a tough one to yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:22

And and that I ask everybody that just to see how you define it. Yeah, because in Sri Lanka, like I said, I I interview CEOs of tech companies that are like like actually solving problems, yeah, real problems. And like you would think they're like these big-headed people, but what I realize is they look at their problem solving in a very as a creative practice. And they talk about um, oh yeah, they talk about like spending quiet time, quiet hours, like CEOs talk about that. That's essentially creativity, that's essentially connecting with your inner child. That's all of that. So, like, how about we introduce more creativity to everybody's life and just like let go of this idea that like we need to be successful in everything that we do, you know? It's it's nuts.

SPEAKER_05 28:15

Yeah, I think that's why things like painting sips are cool. Yeah, because number one, you know, the wine or whatever is gonna loosen everybody up, but then also with things like that, you get people that are trying to paint for the first time or like had an interest as a kid, and this these are like the stories I've heard. Yeah, um, and you know, they had they never got back to it, but they've always wanted to or admired it, or someone is just awful at it, but they admire the craft and they just want to do it. So I don't know, I think more things like that are needed so that people can know their space to just have fun and like try it, you know, having being accepted in the space of not knowing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:03

Yeah, yeah, you shouldn't have to feel nervous about going to a creative meetup.

SPEAKER_05 29:09

Yeah, right. Like just go and see what happens and don't we'll just stop putting so many expectations on things. That's what we do as humans with a lot of things, and we ruin it before it's even started.

SPEAKER_02 29:21

So yeah, because isn't it like uh if you don't go up because of anxiety or something, it's it's it's because you're trying to your body is trying to protect you from doing something you don't know the outcome of.

SPEAKER_05 29:32

Exactly. So you go to your safe like space, you know? Stay home. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:38

Um so we are here at FIG, and talk to me about um, you kind of have a little bit, but uh playing this marketing role, I feel like you have a little bit more of a passion or something uh regarding artists and working it here at Fig. Talk to me more about that, what it looks like.

SPEAKER_05 29:57

Um, again, like basis of the artist and it's like I just have a passion for bringing out the best in people, um, especially creatives, because I know that through art there's healing. Um, so if I can see potential in someone that they don't see in themselves, it's it's wonderful for me to highlight that. It's it's like nothing to me. Um, I can very easily naturally do it. Um, and then as far as I'm sorry, repeat the question words.

SPEAKER_02 30:30

Uh the question was uh your role here as a you know at Fig and working with creatives and the challenges of yes.

SPEAKER_05 30:39

So because I have that natural ability to do that, and I truly I enjoy it, um, and I enjoy getting to know people. This place, uh Fig, is community-based. Like so much of the work that we do is with the youth, um, you know, with the less fortunate, um, or just like locally, people who just want to get in the mix and support uh, you know, a local business. Um, and then I think being in a space that naturally calls that to it has just been so beneficial to me because that's where my heart is at the end of the day.

SPEAKER_02 31:15

So um there are literally all kinds of people watching this, and but they're interested in creativity. And and I find myself finding that there are people who are like people who are attracted to this conversation are either stuck in life or they're curious about creativity and they're trying to find a way out.

SPEAKER_03 31:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:37

It's a person like that in front of you watching. What do you have to say to them?

SPEAKER_05 31:40

Um just trust yourself a little more and don't be scared about reaching out to make those friends or putting yourself in the spaces to you know have those opportunities, or if you don't feel like you're ready for that, further educate yourself. Like this is a time where we have access to so much knowledge. So there really isn't an excuse, and I am gonna be that person say that because that's just real. Like, you can look anything up. YouTube has taught me almost everything I know, truly. So it's like it just comes down to how bad you want it. And it's if if you're comparing yourself to other people, well, then you need to get off social media for a while. You need to take a break and lean more into yourself. So just kind of taking a step back and maybe looking at it like, what would I tell my friend to do?

SPEAKER_02 32:29

You know? Okay, they listen to you now, they're about to create. Or they started creating. What do they do about the negative voices?

SPEAKER_05 32:39

Uh, have that thing that centers you. Um, like for me, I said it's going to the gym. That has become like my that's that quiets my mind. Um, so I'm forced to not think about anything else. Maybe it's reading for you, maybe it's going for a walk, maybe it's spending time with your loved ones or yoga, but like find spend time trying things out to figure out what that thing is for you so that when you have moments like that, you can retreat inward and you know fix how you're feeling.

SPEAKER_02 33:12

Yeah, that's awesome. Uh, Vanessa, thank you so much for being here. This was a very exciting conversation. Uh-huh. Um, I always tell my viewers um if I this whole thing is to inspire you. So all I ask you to do is keep dreaming, keep creating, and keep going on your own creative Odyssey. So next time, see you later.

SPEAKER_04 33:40

Thank you. Yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_01 33:47

Hi, thanks for watching um the episode this far. This is so cool that you've done this. Like, I can't believe I believe you've done it. Like, it makes me so happy. Um, so first of all, um if there's something that like really popped out and um you would like to let me know uh from the episode, please just know in the comments or you would just DM me on Instagram. Um also if I can improve on stuff like Middle and I have encoding um together we went learning about people to start um window coding in our two in our buttons. Um I'd like to uh call me up the coming on the one.