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Your JCPenney Curtains Called; They Want Off The Boat
Sun, salt, and motion don’t care how pretty your curtains are. We sit down with marine interior designer Aidan Madigan to decode what really works for boat window treatments and why “house rules” fall apart on the water. Starting with a classic Grand Banks 32, we get practical about measuring trapezoid windows, templating for perfect fits, and choosing hardware that’s light, hidden, and tough enough for a rolling sea.
Aidan walks us through a materials-first mindset: UV-treated linings that shield heat and light, antimicrobial marine fabrics that won’t fade in a season, and PTFE threads that outlast the sun. We compare drapes and shades for different cabin shapes, talk through layering strategies for temperature control and privacy, and cover the small details that make a big difference—tracks tucked into cornices, bottom weights to keep hems true, and discreet magnets that stop flapping when hatches are open. If you’ve ever tried to bend a home solution around boat geometry, you’ll hear why a custom approach pays off.
We also tackle decision fatigue and style. With teak tones, existing ultra-leather seating, and the rug setting the palette, Aidan shows how to narrow the ocean of fabric options—Sunbrella included—into a focused shortlist that feels warm and personal. Expect candid guidance on budgets, hourly standards for custom marine work, realistic timelines, and phased projects when you can’t do the whole boat at once. We close with maintenance you’ll actually follow: gentle sprays, steam cleaning, and smart habits that keep interiors fresh and UV-protected between seasons.
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Welcome to Boat Talk Radio, your station for Everything Boating. I'm your host, Mark Cork, and today we're talking about classic window treatments on boats, those finishing touches that make a cabin feel warm and inviting.
SPEAKER_02:And I'm Rita, uh Rita Cork, and this is one of my favorite topics because we're thinking about doing new window treatments on our Grand Banks 32. And I'm very excited because we have an expert with us.
SPEAKER_01:We're joined today by Aidan Madigan, a talented marine interior designer who specializes in soft furnishings for boat. She's going to give us some ideas about what to do on the interior of the boat, you know, choice of fabrics and so on. And we'll get into that more in a minute. But first off, welcome.
SPEAKER_00:Thank you. Thank you for having me.
SPEAKER_01:I know absolutely nothing about upholstery, curtains, any of that stuff. On our boat, right now, we don't have any curtains up at all. When we bought the boat, it had the original curtains on there and they were horrible. They were all falling apart. Dusty. Dusty. You kind of almost touched them and they fell apart. They were just disgusting. We couldn't wait to get them out. They went out and we chucked those away, and we've for the last 10 years we've been looking at it saying, We're gonna get something on window treatments. So we're kind of biting the bullet now and we're down to doing it. So talk us through, if you will, what if somebody calls you up and says, Look, I need new curtains on the boat, what do you do? But what's it how does the what's the process?
SPEAKER_02:Or even, you know, broaden that because our conversations with you, you've tied in curtains to all the other decor. So, you know, the idea of an interior designer for marine purposes, that I would love to hear more about.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Well, first I when we spoke on the phone, I wanted to know what kind of boat you had, so I could have a visual reference while we were on the phone. But you really need to keep into consideration all the angles and curves, like like we talked about, there's no right angles or straight lines on a boat. So, in terms of drapery, it's it's quite a challenge. So we want to make sure that the hardware is gonna be effective for the space and it's going to fill in all the little gaps, like on those angled windows that you wouldn't see in a home. You wouldn't normally see a trapezoid-shaped window. Those are considerations that we need to look into and make sure that we're gonna get the right attachments for, as well as the materials, like you mentioned. Everything needs to be marine grade, UV, UV treated, antimicrobial, and the right size. You know, going into further details about the way materials come, those are all considerations that we need to keep in mind when we're doing our measurements and we're requesting suggesting fabrics and materials. So there's a lot more precise kind of details that go into the drapery that's on a boat. So, you know, the interior design aspect of it is just slightly different than what you would expect in a home.
SPEAKER_02:And every boat is different. Very. Even if you're doing, I mean, this was part of our conversation. So that's why I become so smart. Even two grand banks 32, which is what we're on right now, you have to treat it differently. You can't do the same pattern for every boat because they're different.
SPEAKER_00:Right. And even side by side, you you might think that the boat looks symmetrical from the middle, but when you really go into the measurements, you find out that one side is about three-quarter of an inch difference than the other side, even though they look exactly the same. So it's it's a little bit more precise, I'd say.
SPEAKER_01:So do you can you do it just from measurements or you actually have to take templates? Because I've seen that done when people are doing canvas work, you know, like Dominus and someone on the on the uh on the boat, like they take templates.
SPEAKER_00:Yes.
SPEAKER_01:Uh so do you not need to do that when you're making drapes or it depends.
SPEAKER_00:I think for these specific windows, you you definitely take measurements first. And no matter what. You take your measurements, that way I can create an estimate. That's kind of where I usually start, just so we can get approvals and move the project along. But templates are absolutely crucial for any type of project. I think with your specific project, I probably will come back and do templating for these specific-sized trapezoid-shaped windows. And what we found too was that although the windows are the same length and height, there's a slight angle difference on you know these two mid-windows. So it would be very beneficial to have templates of these windows. And then we would have the inside of the window and the outside frame. So the benefit of a template is basically taking that space back to my studio. So overall, yes, templating is the way to go.
SPEAKER_01:Now that sounds a lot more complicated than I was expecting.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah. Because it is more than that.
SPEAKER_01:So everybody that's listening can either afford to get somebody like yourself to do it, or it just has a desire to do it themselves. So if they do, is that something that they should do, or is it something that is to say, really, no, you shouldn't do it. You've really got to have a professional to it does. Or is it a do-a-do-it yourself project?
SPEAKER_00:That's a great, great question. I think in terms of drapery, you know, as a home sewer and somebody that learned how to sew at home first, that's kind of where you would start, is drapery, you know, making curtains for your home. But for a boat, I would recommend a professional come in because there are specific, like we said, there's there's just so many specific measurements and things to consider with their materials that I think a professional is much more beneficial in this app.
SPEAKER_02:And you and I both know we've been on a lot of boats. So Mark does boat surveys. I go with him sometimes. We have a lot of friends who have boats. And there are some boats where people have done the do-it-yourself, and it looks like a do-it-yourself. You know, there are also we've seen people buy commercially made go to JCPenney and buy curtains and try to adjust those curtains to fit the boat. And it looks like they did that. So the that those are kind of some of the do's do's and don'ts to really have somebody who knows what they're doing rather than trying to wing it yourself.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. I, you know, as much as I am a DIYer for my own home, um, a boat is just a little bit different. So I would really recommend a professional do, I mean, you could always cut this project in half, or, you know, for the listener, you could always hire a professional to do all the measurements and make you the patterns, but then you have to know how to read a pattern or a sewing pattern or know the tensions of your sewing machine to make sure that the drapery doesn't pleat in the wrong spot. So it really matters. It really depends on that DIYer's skill level. If they want to try to try it themselves, I would probably start with drapery for boat soft goods in that aspect.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, I've actually met people that have made sales for their boat. Now that's that is a project. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I don't know how you would even do that with your house.
SPEAKER_01:So that's that, you know, your curtains by comparison of a piece of cake. Yeah. But yeah.
SPEAKER_02:In terms of the procedure, you know, like what what where you begin? We we found you, you were highly recommended, we called you, we had a great telephone conversation, then we went to see you in your studio, right? And you were kind of feeling us out to see what Mark likes and what I like, because we're totally different, but we do agree on a few things. Um, but we went over those things to to kind of get a concept of what we were looking for. So tell us from your perspective as a marine interior designer, how do you begin a project with somebody in terms of defining what their boat is going to look like, how it's going to be cozy, how you marry the cushions into the windows, to the bedding area. You know, tell us, tell us what your process is when you were assessing that.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Well, first, it is important to meet the person that's going to be living in the space that you're designing and helping decorate. So getting a vibe is probably the most important first step. And then I like to give my clients a bunch of fabrics that I would recommend, fabric books specifically that I would recommend, because, you know, you might come in with something that you like, but it probably might not be UV-treated or antimicrobial, and it probably might not be the best thing for your boat. So starting with the only options, you know, there's there's a lot of options, but starting somewhere is important. And as equally important as seeing your space with the current decorations and design that you have. So you have a very nice ultra-leather settee already. So we want to build off of that and take, first of all, luckily we had the sample in my studio at the same time. So we were able to build off of that cornerstone because this isn't changing. So we want to know the things that aren't changing first and then kind of build off of that with, you know, especially the rug to kind of tie into those things that are not changing. And especially the wood, you know, this is a warm wood. So there are certain details that, you know, we want to consider that we keep in mind that aren't going to change. And that's kind of where we start. And that applies to any boat. I'm sorry to cut you ahead.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I mean, one of the things I was gonna say is that uh in my boat surveying world, if you will, I look at boats and that people have either had cushions made or they have window treatments, any soft furnishings on a boat. And I can see that the the cushions or whatever it is are probably only a couple of years old, but they're already falling apart because they've used the wrong thread and stuff like that. So somebody's gone through all the process of making something and probably done a good job, but they've kind of missed that step out. They haven't used the right. So, you know, everything on a boat gets beaten to death. Even we're up in Maine right now, but e anything gets beaten to death by the sun and the ultraviolet, and it'll bleach out fabrics, it'll do all sorts of stuff. So, you know, I think it's important that we tell the listener to use, make sure that they're using fabrics and materials like the thread that is ultraviolet resistant, and that'll make the whole thing last a lot longer.
SPEAKER_00:And I like to mention, too, that it will protect your investment to have the right materials because you know, boat interior work is not cheap at all. And you know, being completely honest, if you purchase a project or you purchase a service and the materials aren't right, though it's not going to last as long as it would, and therefore your investment is gone. So it's crucial to have the right materials. Um, open cell foam for outdoor cushions, UV-rated uh solar fixed thread. That's kind of like a boy, what's the word? It is forget it.
SPEAKER_02:Don't even try. It's a big fashion.
SPEAKER_00:I memorized it at one point, but it's anyway, a PTFE, and it's specifically rated for outdoor treatment. So, and even though we're not technically outdoors right now, this boat, the sun comes beating in. And like you mentioned, redoing the varnish on the boat even every couple of years or every year, you know, wood is one of the most strong materials in nature. So think about the other materials too.
SPEAKER_02:The sun is stronger.
SPEAKER_00:That's very true. So those are definitely the materials are I'd say probably the most important aspect of the interior design work that we do.
SPEAKER_01:Okay. One of the other things that you'll see on boats, if everybody goes to a boat show and they're looking at boats or whatever, some boats have grapes, which is what we're planning to have here, and some boats have blinds. I mean, I've seen roller blinds, I've seen Roman blinds, I've seen Venetian blinds, I've seen all sorts of things. I mean, i are those things that you can do for clients if that's specifically what they want?
SPEAKER_00:Yes. So we can do any type of shade for, you know, there are specific companies that just do shades. And it a lot of them are mostly for your home. There's probably not a lot of people that will do like a like an angled shade. It it's just a very difficult application, which is where a custom person kind of comes in handy. And we can absolutely do like a roller shade, a Roman shade, um, even a little valence or something just right above and have a shade below. The customization options are unlimited. But in terms of, you know, when we walk onto a boat and we see what the current design is, we kind of want to guide you in a certain direction rather than another. Shades are beautiful too. I I think, you know, it depends on the boat.
SPEAKER_01:Right, right. And we've we've we've settled on on drapes. I call them curtains, you're calling them drapes. Is that a British American? No, it's not.
SPEAKER_00:They're they're curtains, too. And I think it might be an industry thing. Drapery is just some sounds more groofy, I guess.
SPEAKER_02:But and this is a down east trawler, so it's a very classic design, a lot of wood. You know, there's elements in this boat that really beg for that classic treatment. So instead of shades, we think that with your help guiding us towards curtains or drapes would be a great idea.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and the other thing that the other thing that we mentioned when we were talking about and looking at the boat earlier was um, you know, a sunny day like today, on a sunny day like today, when we're not on the boat, we like to pull the shades. Not only does it make keep it cooler and the air conditioning doesn't have to work quite so hard, but also, you know, most importantly, it keeps the deadly ultraviolet that we keep talking about, keeps that out of the boat and stops fading out the woodwork as well. You know, so the shades aren't just there for for prettiness, they actually do perform a function.
SPEAKER_02:Well, then that well that that's a good question. And in terms of constructing the curtains, they're obviously different than you would do for a home for the considerations we've already talked about. Tell me what what the layers are. Tell me tell me what you're thinking in terms of what would be appropriate for any boat that you would do the work for.
SPEAKER_00:So for a boat like this, definitely a a lining, at least a UV lining. Even if you chose a fabric that, you know, with drapery in this boat, we're gonna highly recommend a UV-treated outer fabric, the finish fabric. So the side that you'll see most of the time. But the lining has got to be UV treated. So that means it's just gonna be protected. Um, so it doesn't fade, you know, shred, or it doesn't, you know, get really worn down within, and it's okay with the heat that's gonna come onto it. So it'll last much longer than something like a cotton or a linen, which is a lot of time what drape drapes are made out of in your home, just because they look nice and they're easy to clean that way. But we can't really do that on the boat because they need to withstand the heat and the sun.
SPEAKER_02:I'm sorry, I'm jumping in you so that's okay. If I'm hearing you correctly, the liner is really designed to board off the sun and protect the inner fabric so that it's preserved and looks beautiful for more than three months.
SPEAKER_00:For the boat, though, I would recommend both layers be a UV treated, but lining definitely, because that's the side that's gonna be against the window and exposed mostly to the sun. So we definitely want to have a UV backing or lining. Some people might even want a uh blackout on the inside, which is kind of just a it's a fabric that has kind of like a I want to say like a rubbery feeling, but it's got kind of like it almost feels like this ultra leather. It's it's thicker and there's no room for light at all. So there's no, you cannot see the woven feature of the fabric. So that would be a blackout that you might want to add on the inside. But in terms of this boat specifically, probably wouldn't recommend blackout curtains because you don't want to be drawing them during the day and have no sunlight in here. But then the third layer technically would be your finished fabric. The fabric that we design with, that we decorate with, is the one that you're gonna be looking at all the time that we're gonna have the trim on. And, you know, within all of those layers, we'll put the track at the top or the bottom. So I guess is that does that answer your question? No, yeah. The layers.
SPEAKER_01:One of one of the fabrics that almost everybody that's listening has heard of is Sombrella.
SPEAKER_03:Yes.
SPEAKER_01:Now, when I first started boating, and this is a long time ago, sadly, Sombrella was came in about half a dozen colours, maybe, and it was tended to be used just for biminis and outdoor stuff. And I was surprised to see in your studio that you've got big, big, thick books of Sombrella fabrics with all different shades, amazing colours, which can now be used for drapes or curtains and and and sort of soft furnishings generally inside the boat as well. So, you know, I'm not trying to push one fabric more than anybody else, but would you say that generally speaking, Sambrella is probably a good choice?
SPEAKER_00:Absolutely. It's definitely a household name, and it's been around for so long that you know it's a trusted brand. So, and also the fact that I have those books, I don't even have all the samples. The the limits or the options are limitless with Sombrella. So with everything that you showed us, that's a little scary. I know they have there's you know, we could, you know, this whole boatyard could be filled with fabric samples is from Sombrella, probably. But the ones that I have specifically are for marine use, outdoor use. They have a whole interior line as well. But yeah, there's an abundance.
SPEAKER_02:So effectively, because all these umbrella fabrics mirror the interior fabrics, but they have all the things that we need with UV treatment and antimicrobial and all that, you can really make your boat cozy, like a little home. And it doesn't matter. You know, sometimes with the larger boats, they lose that homey feeling. But with proper fabrics and your guidance, it makes it more like home, especially like us. We spend a long time on the boat most of the summer. So that makes a big difference. Big, big difference.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, sometimes a a really large, newer build boat might feel like a hotel. And some people like that style, but I think, you know, in terms of my design choices, I like it to feel more homey and customized.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and then one of the other things that we should talk about, when we were just talking about the uh amount of fabrics there, not just Umbrella, but all the other stuff that you could possibly use, you know, calling somebody in like yourself, not only are you going to be able to give us some guidance as to um the type of fabric and you know what you think would work with the boat, but you're also going to be able to give us some colour choices because because there are so many different choices out there, it's bewildering. And yeah, uh you know, I'm not I'm not an interior designer and I kind of got a vague idea what I want, but but uh, you know, I might not be making a smart choice. So if we could get you know professional in, that makes it much easier. So do do do you in when you see your customers, do they often ask for your guidance or do they usually have a pretty good idea about what they want?
SPEAKER_00:I'd say they're probably about 60% sure of what they want. Like they know they know what they like and they have the space and they have been living in that space and over time have made that space their home. So when I take that into consideration, I help them with the remaining 40%, which is all the technical aspects, all the material purchases, knowing which materials to purchase. And that's the hardest part, I think, because you know, everybody can feel comfortable in their own home, but knowing the right materials, measurements, finishings to use is kind of difficult, even for somebody's own home. You know, my parents' own home is, you know, I can guide them in a certain way and they know exactly what they like, but it's really difficult to know exactly what materials and everything to use for those things.
SPEAKER_02:Well, can I just say one thing? We have worked with interior designers before, primarily for our home and some other boats that we've we've worked on. Working with you has just been a dream. I mean it because it's overwhelming when you start from scratch without the intricate guidance that you get from somebody like yourself. And you just zeroed in on what we were saying, what we liked, you presented some examples to us that we appreciated and liked right away. And so we weren't buried in those books for days and days, getting more and more confused with what color you know, and just having to start from scratch every five minutes. So thank you for that. That is really great.
SPEAKER_01:And the other thing, I've got a question, and well, it's more of a statement, really, I guess. But what you know, your home hopefully stays where it's put where it's it put, it doesn't move around. But your boat might be moving through the water at 30 knots. So you have to take that into consideration, presumably, and how do you make sure that the the drapes and so on stay where they're supposed to stay?
SPEAKER_00:That's a great question. Though that's just another aspect of interior design on a boat, on a vessel, really. Like specific things, you know, you want to make sure that your attach your drawers are gonna have a lock in them so they don't swing out when you when your boat tips over in a wave. Same with the drapery, too, with these, you know, specifically these angled windows. We know we're trying to make sure that we're gonna have the entire thing covered in a in a classic style and it's going to be cohesive with the rest of the drapery. So, but yeah, that's an excellent question with the attachments. So that's a huge part of my business is attachments just for boats. There's probably two or three inch catalogs that I live through looking at, you know, from Trivantage or, you know, other specific marine industry guided companies that sell attachments just for boats. There's an abundance of, you know, stainless steel, nickel-plated everything for specifically catered to boats.
SPEAKER_02:So well, that that's a good question, Mark, because you know, I envision, you know, we've we've been on this boat and it starts to get roly and just go in a booth bay, our microwave fell off the counter. And we have a dent now to remember that trip. However, with with curtains, it's the same thing. How do you how do you stop them from blowing around when you're moving or um or you know, you open a window to get a little fresh air? How do you keep them stationary and say put where they're supposed to be? What do you what do you do for that?
SPEAKER_00:So this boat specifically, I would be using a track, which is exactly what it sounds like. It's a it's a long hollow square rod, essentially. And that sits inside of the cornice and the boat. And so it's not gonna be seen. But inside that track, there will be a space for kind of imagine like a strip of fabric with 10 heads going across it. Sort of like it's so hard to explain without a picture, but imagine a strip of fabric, and in that fabric, about five inches apart, there's like little heads that stick out, and those heads go inside that track. So it's completely invisible and it's also light. So a huge factor that we have to take into consideration is weight on your boat. So, although if we're gonna be covering all of these windows with drapes, we can't have big metal rods, big metal, beautiful rods on top. We have to have something that's light because after a while, that weight, you know, it will start adding up that weight. So we need something extremely light that's very small and almost invisible. So that specific, this specific application I would use is a track that we sew into the top of the curtain and then it becomes invisible when it's inside the track and behind the corner.
SPEAKER_01:It's getting more and more complicated.
SPEAKER_02:But that's the lesson here. You know, you think it's gonna be simple. And then you had mentioned a couple of things too about using magnets or weights in the in the curtain so that they'll kind of stape.
SPEAKER_00:Yes. And we do that in residential as well. We put weights at the bottom of curtains just so the pleats lie nice and flat and straight and evenly. We would do the same thing here. We would put weights probably at least in the corners of all of the of all of the drapes. And then probably where, you know, the pleats, probably where the pleats lay, we would put them at the at the front of that pleat or or in the back, whichever way, you know, it it depends. But also the magnets in the corner would be very helpful as well, or some type of attachment in the corner where these angles are. So there's a lot of considerations for sure.
SPEAKER_01:So if somebody hires you, what can you expect in in terms of costing, time frame, so on and so forth? I mean, how to I mean, obviously there's the cost of the fabric. We've been talking about that, but what about um all the anciller bits and pieces?
SPEAKER_02:Or even, you know, if people, you know, usually people want to do a whole boat if you can do that, but sometimes you can't. So if you can't, you might just do the saloon, or you might just do the the bee birth or you know, different parts of the boat. So tell us what the timeline looks like, tell us what the pricing might look like. And we're not gonna hold you to anything specifically. We know it's going to be every boat is something different. Yeah. But you know, generally speaking.
SPEAKER_00:So every project is, you know, at least a couple thousand because the when you think about it, the cost of a customization is it's like a mechanic. You know, they charge per hour and they have industry standards based on Subaru has uh a book of specific hours that it should take for one specific project or one specific repair and the cost of every single one of those parts. So we have the same thing. We have a national upholster's um hourly standard guide that we go by. So we base a lot of our pricing on that hourly fee and it's all regional. So I charge, you know, anywhere between 100 to 150 an hour based on the, you know, the project, the materials, um, just kind of the timeline. You know, if if it's a rush job, it's a little bit more expensive.
SPEAKER_01:Or if the client pisses you off. No, no, that's never happened, honestly.
SPEAKER_00:I I enjoy all my clients, but but it it varies. And it's very there's not a lot of people that do this work. So that's also something that we're kind of taking into consideration. But but pricing is it is pretty it it's expensive. You know, boats are expensive and but it's it's a very rewarding job. It it's so custom and being able to, you know, help someone bring their space nice.
SPEAKER_02:And just like any project that you hire somebody for, get what you pay for.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, I completely.
SPEAKER_02:And um but I yeah, and some of these fabrics and materials that you're talking about, they're not cheap because they are treated for marine purposes and you don't want to make mistakes with them. So that's why you know what about aftercare?
SPEAKER_01:So you know, we're getting ready to lay our boat up for the for the winter here. And it's going into inside storage, which is kind of nice. But we don't have the drapes up yet, but hopefully by next spring we will. But but do you do uh do you recommend that they be taken down every year and cleaned, or do you just leave it mark?
SPEAKER_00:That's a good question. I prefer so personally in my home, I can take my drapes down and wash them in my washing machine because I have dogs, you know, everything has sometimes everything gets hair on it sometimes. So I would recommend for these drapes. I think, you know, we would have to make sure that they are washable. You could always dry clean them. I, you know, anything polyester, wait, and maybe I'm the wrong person to talk about cleaning with because I throw everything in the washing machine. Um I I like that too. Yeah, I I don't know. The dry cleaning, like there's gotta be water involved. So, but you know, having suits and stuff dry cleaned, I see the uh importance of it. But for these specific materials, like UV treated antimicrobial, uh specific the specific thread that is made of it's made of plastic, essentially. You really do want to consider the specific cleaning things that you might need. For this project specifically, I might recommend using a spray. And then a steamer to clean because the steam is gonna sanitize at least. You might not always get, you know, the bright white back that it was when you first had it or first had it made, but you'll have them sanitized and cleaned. And I think steam is kind of underrated. I use steam for cleaning just about everything at my house. I steam clean my my sofa and all of my furniture, my pillows. I just spray them with a, you know, that Myers cleaning. It's kind of a soft or clean, like a natural cleaner. So you spray it, you know, once or twice on each side of a pillow, and then you just take your steamer and run it over it. Oh, that's a great idea. Yeah, and it will air dry. Definitely let it air dry. But I would probably recommend the same thing for these drapes if you didn't want to get them dry cleaned. And your dry cleaner will tell you if they're appropriate for being dry cleaned or not. But yeah, that's probably what I would recommend.
SPEAKER_02:That would be perfect because every season, every season when we get on a boat, we do it from stem to stern with the tooth. You know, because you really want it to be clean. A lot of people don't do that, but we do it. And so that's uh that's really good advice. Thank you for that.
SPEAKER_01:So we're almost out of time. So all that's left for me to say is thank you, Aiden. Thanks for coming along. And uh if people want to get in touch with you, we'll put your contact details on our website so that they can get in touch with you and uh hopefully they'll contact you with and give you some work.
SPEAKER_00:Perfect. Yeah, I love that. We are located in southern Maine, and my studio is in Lyman, Maine. You can find me on Instagram at Siren Studios M E. And my Facebook is the same, Siren Studios M E, as well as my website, sirensudios.
SPEAKER_01:All right, just one last thing. So what how far would you travel? Do that?
SPEAKER_00:Good qu I have projects as far north as Camden, and I'll go up as far as Bar Harbor, and I'll go down as far as uh New York City. I I love a good trip to New York, so anything along the coast, really.
SPEAKER_01:So thank you so much, and thank you, Brita.
SPEAKER_02:And thank you, Mark, for inviting me to do this. This was fun. You're terrific to work with. Thank you. You are as well. Thank you.
SPEAKER_01:And thanks to our listeners. Thanks for listening, and we'll see you next time.