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Is a Sabbath Day Worth The Trouble? | Episode 006
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Our family took intentional steps to ensure a meaningful Sabbath, starting with preparations on Friday evening. The effort paid off as we enjoyed quality time together filled with games, outdoor adventures, and moments of prayer and gratitude. We questioned if all the preparation was worth it and found a resounding yes in the joy and connection we experienced. The benefits were clear—sleeping in, playing with the kids, and simply being present added immense value to our lives.
Finally, we reflect on how maintaining a Sabbath has long-term benefits that extend far beyond one day. From increased mental clarity and creativity to more productive weeks, the positive impact was undeniable. Spontaneous activities, like a visit to Shaggies on the Res or a game of Jenga in less-than-perfect weather, became cherished memories. We encourage you to consider incorporating a day of rest into your routine and to share your experiences with us. Don't forget to like, subscribe, comment, and share this podcast with those who might find it valuable!
Sabbath Day Rest and Reflection
Speaker 1Hey there and welcome back to Conversations at the Well. We are on episode six. We have made it six episodes and in this episode we're going to be talking about our experience. As we had set aside last Saturday as a day of rest, y'all responsibilities were there, everything we had to do was there, but we said we were going to have a Sabbath day, a day of rest, lord Jesus.
Speaker 2I know, look, vernon doesn't even have any hair anymore from pulling out his, because you know he was just trying to rest.
Speaker 1Anyways, we will see you in the episode. Stick around at Conversations at the Well, Hello, hello and welcome. Actually, why don't you introduce? Why don't you get started? I always start it off.
Speaker 2Good morning, good morning. Good morning, no, just kidding I can't take my intros, go ahead all right. Hey, everybody, welcome to conversations at the. Well, I'm deseret and this is my awesome husband her better half her amazing half the half that makes her life so happy.
Speaker 1Vernon brown, calm down, sir, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2All of those things are still true though. So, anyway, we are here and we are back for episode six. I'm hitting the mic, so sorry, sorry about that. Uh, so we're back for episode six, and we told you. We told you that we were gonna tell y'all. Well, we told y'all we were gonna do this sabbath thing. We told y'all, we were gonna tell you how it went no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1Let's be honest, because some people like to leave out details first and foremost I think it was episode four. She was excited about Sabbath and she wanted to do it and go forth and spend her day all in the presence of the Lord. And then episode five. It got real. Episode five it got real. We record on Fridays, so that means the next day. It was going to be her Sabbath day, our Sabbath day.
Speaker 2Our Sabbath day. She did not do.
Speaker 1I was a little less excited because, yeah, there's a lot of stuff that has to happen she wanted to push it back and I said no, no, don't you be lying to the conversation at the well and nights out there. Conversation at the well, anyway the well of nights okay, we got it done. We did our sabbath on saturday and it was, you know, the saturday itself.
Speaker 2I feel like was good, yeah, but the friday, before trying to prepare we were up to like, literally like 11 59, trying to make this thing shake because yeah it was.
Speaker 1It was a lot because we had a lot to do like get ready to not do saturday quite honestly, I don't think my sabbath started until like 3 am or 2 am because I was still trying to get stuff done, so it wasn't a full sabbath for me, but I still give myself credit for trying and for getting it done and for going into it yes, so okay step one, step one let's for those go ahead for those of you who haven't or didn't hear episode five or episode four or previous episodes, go back and watch them, but until before, then you were.
Speaker 1Even if you decide not to do that right now, let's tell them a little bit about what we're talking about here, yeah, okay, yeah, we kept throwing this word out.
Speaker 2Sabbath, you may have heard of it, um, yeah, especially if you watched, uh, the ten commandments at some point growing up.
Speaker 1Everybody didn't grow up.
Speaker 2Not everybody did that but there are still some people who did.
Speaker 1Some of us grew up watching Martin, not the Ten Commandments.
Speaker 2Was it on Prince of Egypt or something? I don't know, maybe not, because that was something different. That was still Moses, but different. It was like Moses as a baby, anyway, okay, well, in any case, there's this thing about the Sabbath, about remember the Sabbath and keep it holy right, and so it's something that God said was important, but for most modern times, like we don't have anything close to a Sabbath, like every day we're working, and so a Sabbath is supposed to be a day set apart or different than any other day, that is reserved for rest.
Speaker 1It's reserved for connection with God, and you know, whatever your religious background is. But ours.
Speaker 2Being Christian, we connect with God and our family.
Speaker 1And I love the word you said in that set apart. It doesn't mean that one random day a week we decide, hey, this is convenient to make this our Sabbath, but you purposefully set it aside, you purposefully prioritize it enough to where, even if there are things that have to be done, no, no, no, they need to be moved because this day has been set aside with purpose.
Speaker 2Yeah, so in order to do that in real life, it takes planning, it takes planning, it takes preparation. Because it's really about not, it's really about resting, and resting doesn't necessarily mean literally laying in bed all day, although if you want to do, do what you want to, but but it's. It's about, like, the intentional time of like, not focused in on the work and on the grind and all of that stuff which is super countercultural in 2024 yeah, because I mean we talk about grinding, we talk about hustling.
Speaker 1How many streams of income do you need? This side hustle and that side hustle, yeah, but that's culture.
Speaker 2But on the other side of culture is a is saying, hey, rest is important and you need to prioritize that yeah, and I mean, in light of everything that's going on and all of the like anxiety and stress that so many people are experiencing these days, you know it might be worth a shot. But anyway, we gave it a shot.
Speaker 1So that was last Saturday.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1So when this will launch, it'll be a Saturday. Yeah, last Saturday, ok.
Speaker 2Yeah, so it's Friday now, so it was the Saturday that passed.
Speaker 1Got it.
Speaker 2So coming up to the next one. So we picked a day to sabbath and you're super excited yeah and then you got super weird about it well, okay, should we talk about why we chose saturday versus okay, go ahead, yeah go ahead. I was gonna have you. She gonna put the conversation on me. I said how should we? But I meant like should you? Okay, but I can do it.
Speaker 1Well, I'll tell you why I was an advocate of Saturday. One, because it's a good day. Two, because Sundays we have a lot of things that we do at church. During the week we have a lot of things to do for work and for other obligations, so Saturday kind of was just the optimal day for me.
Speaker 2But why did you choose saturday? Um, I think, similar reasons um I consider it sunday, because I think that's been the day that just traditionally people choose for the sabbath, but because, like you said, we do a lot of work for our church, it didn't feel like. The rest would be as full, as it needed to need it to be because church people stress you out.
Speaker 1Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 2no, I'm saying like, in order to prepare for the uh, whatever we have to do, yeah, to teach and that's another thing too.
Speaker 1I mean for sunday, that's a preparation for the week too. So if you're yeah, if you're sabbathing sunday, then that means your preparation not just for sunday, and the sabbath, but your preparation for the rest of the week needs to happen on saturday, so sat Saturday seemed like a much better day. Granted, there are activities we do on Saturdays to prepare for Sundays, but we now have to do those on Fridays, which is today, which I'm now remembering that I need to do.
Speaker 2Yeah, after we're done here, we got some more work to do, but I guess what we can talk about now is like the prep.
Speaker 1Okay, yeah. So. So Friday was coming fast and furious, and what we decided? To kind of put rules around.
Speaker 2Friday was here.
Speaker 1Literally. Yeah, friday was here. It was already here. So what we decided to do is, first of all, make rules as to what does it look like to Sabbath, what can we do, what can't we do, what do we want to try out doing? And one of the main things was to not put as big of a focus on the work of business on that particular day.
Speaker 1So, the work of business, the work of responsibilities, when it comes to things you do for your day job, things you do for your side hustles, things you do in preparation for even Sunday morning. The plan was to completely set aside Saturday, so you're not trying to get a Sunday school lesson together, trying to do all of this stuff. Instead, you can focus on God, you can focus on family and you can focus on rest. Yes, how did that go for you?
Speaker 2It was kind of stressful. It was kind of stressful mainly because I didn't think like I'm still not fully conditioned to think about it until the last minute, unfortunately procrastination was showing its head again. I'm bad at that. Y'all Just putting that out there. I need to be better. So procrastination is a thing, and I think it wasn't until our recording I was like, oh snap, that's tomorrow.
Speaker 2So, I got to do some things and I still needed to prep for a son for children's church. Um, there were a couple of things that just had to be done. Grocery shopping, all of that stuff Um wait, did I do that on Friday? I didn't. I think I'm going to try it this time, though, but anyway I at this time though, but anyway, it's today, right? I know, so we're gonna have to go have to. Good luck with that, okay anyway, but yeah.
Speaker 1So there were those type of things and I had to think about meals and all of that like where are we going like cook, cook or do? We have enough stuff in the, in the refrigerator that we can just like heat and eat and keep it moving.
Speaker 2Yeah that kind of thing. So um it was. I guess I appreciate the intention um, and it also made me think okay, like what things are actually important and what things are actually not important, like what has to get done today versus what can wait until, I guess, sunday. So, um, yeah, those were things that I was thinking through, and so. I guess it went okay but honestly it was a little bit stressful because of the late realization, Like I feel like I had gotten most of my work, like day job stuff done.
Speaker 1Y'all. I came in the room and she was curled up in a ball rocking back and forth, stop it. I'm kidding, stop it.
Speaker 2Stop it, but yeah. So I think that was okay, but you tend to have a lot more on your plate.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2You have a capacity. I don't know. I would say you have a big, huge capacity to do a lot of things. I can do things, but maybe not all at once like you.
Speaker 1One thing you said was just about procrastination. Yeah, maybe not all at once, like you.
Speaker 1One thing you said was just about procrastination, and I think what the prioritization of a Sabbath has I don't want to say taught, because I haven't made life changes necessary, but it showed me is I'm very reactive to deadlines and what that means is if some things do on Saturday morning, while I'm working on it, I'm making sure it's done by Saturday morning. But what I'm really trying to put the thought around and figuring out if it makes sense is to start backing up those deadlines to where. If it's Sunday school or preparing for Sunday school, well, the deadline for Sunday school is not Sunday morning. But what would it look like if your deadline for Sunday school was Wednesday, yeah, and everything for Sunday was done Wednesday, and then you could even back it up as far as you want, to where you start to get one, two, three weeks ahead, where everything is fully studied, fully laid out, fully prepared for before you even get to that point. And how much more freeing would that be?
Speaker 2And so.
Speaker 1I think just moving it back from a lot of things being prepared on Sunday or for Sunday to even moving it back to Friday is like a first baby step kind of you know, kind of working it out. I mean, granted, this last week I did it Friday going into Saturday that 2 am period deadlines differently and to approach them with a little bit more planning so that I fit them into the context of my life versus my life, having to fit around what's required of me.
Family Time and Sabbath Reflection
Speaker 2Okay, so that's great, okay, and that's ideal. So what actually happened?
Speaker 1Oh, what happened was? I was up at 1am trying to get stuff done and no, actually I think I started. I started working on everything like that evening, friday evening, yeah and then I was so tired I can't remember why that I took a nap and then I got up really late at 10.
Speaker 2It was probably because, like, the whole weekend happened. Yeah, instead of Friday.
Speaker 1And then you would ask me hey, did you get all your stuff done? And I rolled my eyes at you and sucked my teeth and walked out the room.
Speaker 2And I went and sat down and watched TV and I was like I guess I needed to get some stuff done, but I had to make sure that you weren't watching and I was second to my office to get some more work done.
Speaker 1Okay, yeah, but I mean, like I said it, it did not go as planned, as anything you plan to try to do better ever does. But, but what I think the the good part about it it was difficult to prepare for. But now what I want to talk about is how did the day actually go? Was it worth it? Did you enjoy it? Yeah, is it a train wreck? What was your actual saturday like?
Speaker 2I thought it was great okay I enjoyed it um it was, but like it was just like so much more intentionally focused on, like our household okay and like the, the building or developing other relationships inside the home. So like what does that mean in england? Yeah, so like spending time with you. First of all, we slept in late.
Speaker 2Yeah, hey, that was great and for you that's usually like six yeah, I think you were in bed to like nine I was gonna say eight, but somewhere between there eight and nine, okay, which is still like way late for me I know most people are like it's time I wake up no, for me.
Speaker 2I'm like usually up by like 5 30 yeah and so that was great, that was amazing and like just took the day real slow in the beginning. The kids got up, they came in the room and they were just like hungry as usual and, um, it was like all right go grab some fruit you know, like just go and play with your toys, like just don't bother me right now.
Speaker 1We're, we're we're still resting kids getting up like watching cartoons, like that kind of feel right yeah, and that was really nice.
Speaker 2Um, and then, uh, once we did get up you know we ate some breakfast and whatnot and I think the first thing we did was play games because our we told our kids like what do you want to do on big jenga saturday?
Speaker 1yeah, what is it? Math jumbo jenga. It's like the the big, huge blocks the little, the jenga blocks where I hit you with it like you're going to sleep. Yeah, it's like a legit yeah.
Speaker 2Maybe not two by fours, but yeah yeah, those big old blocks where you can play jenga with them and they wanted to play that so we played jenga a few times then we played what was.
Speaker 1The other game was it hippos. Yeah, hungry hippos just like stuff that we usually wouldn't have time for quite yeah.
Speaker 2We would just kind of yeah, we'll play it later hopefully you forget that that kind of thing.
Speaker 1Um, but like there was another game we played too, I remember, but then I think we spent some time outside too, we went outside.
Speaker 2They you know. Oh, we rode the bikes, yeah we went. We haven't pulled up like our bikes were dusty. We haven't rode our bikes in months yeah, and so we got to ride the bikes and we rode through our neighborhood in the neighboring neighborhood um what other things did we do? I think we took a nap like yeah it was just like a lot of it was a lot of rest a lot of family time um and I think our kids loved it yeah, they wanted more.
Speaker 2Yeah, like, can we play more games, can we do more?
Speaker 1and so it showed us how much they enjoy spending time with us so how fun that was all that sounds great, yeah, but the question of people want to know yeah, what's the? Question over here. You have the preparation for friday yeah, to set everything aside for saturday yeah, and you have the experience of, I guess, sleeping late and playing board games and all this other stuff you did yeah was the preparation worth the day yeah, that I was like oh, I can purposely not think about that stuff and didn't, so I was like it'll be there on Sunday, um, so yeah, for me it was worth it.
Speaker 2Uh, because I don't. I really think that if we don't, like, if we decide to go back, you know we're not going to do the Sabbath thing anymore like if we decide that I think those opportunities for really connecting with one another and with our children. Um, they just aren't prioritized, if that makes sense. Okay, um, like they happen, but they will happen less frequently because it's not like we have a day for that.
Speaker 1So what I think I hear you saying is the Sabbath for you is a family thing and not a God thing.
Speaker 2That's a very good point.
Speaker 1One thing as we were talking, I was like oh yeah.
Speaker 2I actually did spend time, like once I got up and I think, the kids maybe I don't remember if it was before or after them, but I did get up and I did do some prayer time and I actually was studying about the Sabbath and I was like what are we supposed to do? What are we supposed to do with this day? So I actually did some more reading on that and some praying.
Speaker 2I was just thanking God because you know we now, we had the opportunity to do this and, and even throughout the day I was trying to check in, we were riding through the neighborhood and I was like God thank you so much for this beautiful day to be able to do this. Internally, nobody knew I was doing it, but I was taking that opportunity to connect with God throughout the day. I want to be even more intentional.
Speaker 2Wait, we're not there yet, but I do want to be more intentional about that when we do it again, because I think that that do it again Okay, because I think that that can go deeper.
Speaker 1Okay, so you got the most out of your family time, it sounds. It sounds like your family time definitely increased in priority. And you did prioritize your time with God, but you want to do a better job of that next time around.
Speaker 2Yeah, definitely Okay cool.
Speaker 1Yeah, all right, I love it a better job of that?
Speaker 2yeah, yeah, definitely cool, yeah, all right, yeah, so I guess for you, what was the experience like for you, um, and and did? Did it go as you expected it to? Um?
Speaker 1I was expecting to be able to float or something like really, yeah, you spending like all this time thinking about god. Like I should be able to float.
Speaker 2Did you think about God?
Speaker 1No, not that much.
Speaker 2Maybe you've got to think about. God more so you can float. Okay, that's true. I mean, I don't know if that's a thing you know, maybe try it out, see what happens.
Speaker 1No, but what I do, I do. I'm similar to you in that. Well, I think you tried and put forth some effort to spend more time with God. I didn't at all. Um, it was mostly about family for me. I mean, I think, because I'd stayed up so late to get everything done, I kind of woke up on my day, rest tired, so I may have like short circuited myself a little bit. I think there might've been some gratefulness in it, but I'm not going to be here and be like.
Speaker 1Oh, I had this amazing moment with God that that wasn't me, but mostly because I just I don't think I prioritized or thought about it. It was more like, okay, let's play these board games, and at first it was a little bit more patronizingly for me but it was actually fun, like once you get into it, like to see the boys and just to spend some time and not have to run from here to there because our schedule is very run from here to there.
Speaker 1We finish, finish with work, we go get the boys. We then come down to the well, we do exercise classes, we go back home, we get ready for bed and repeat.
Speaker 1But, to just stop and just be able to have a moment stacking up some pieces of wood and knocking them over, like it was really, really fun. I enjoy that family part of it but, as you said, I do desire to spend more time with God, purposefully, so I could float, perhaps, but just to see like I'm I'm all about. If I'm going to try something, I want to get what's promised or what's expected out of it, and so I felt like I got what was expected based upon my effort. So I put effort towards setting aside time for family and I got that.
Speaker 2What great would you give yourself?
Speaker 1For what part?
Speaker 2The whole. Thing. I think for family.
Speaker 1I give myself a great strong B For Sabbath, for Sabbath, what does that mean?
Speaker 2For the rest, for the intentional time, of God.
Speaker 1For the rest, I give myself a, b.
Speaker 2Okay for the intentional time of God part.
Speaker 1I give myself a strong, progressing, upwardly focused d plus, and that's d as in David, but it's, it's progress, it has opportunity for growth, it's well, that's for sure, but yeah, because it can't.
Speaker 2I mean, I guess it could get worse it could get worse.
Speaker 1don't take my credit, it get worse. I said my little prayer when I got out of bed, did you yeah?
Speaker 2Lord, thank you, that's good. Yeah, that's better than most.
Speaker 1Yeah, I was going to say most, but I didn't spend any time like look because I, well, it sounds bad, but I didn't, because I had done all my Sunday school preparation the day before. I don't quota got my quota.
Speaker 2This is my god quota. That's it I'm done.
Speaker 1I'm just gonna be honest with you, like no, I appreciate it. I'll be like stressing, like okay, well, I got this sermon half written. Like what, what do I need to change god, but shoot I appreciate your honesty.
Speaker 2That's that's, that's wild.
Speaker 1Yeah, all right, we're gonna so a d but, a d pointing upward a, d pointing up.
Speaker 2So overall, if you average out all your scores, that's like a c oh, that's bad yeah it's passing, I guess okay, but not yeah, we strive for excellence, yeah okay, yeah, so I gotta put it like that. I was just wondering.
Speaker 1I think I give myself a, I give myself a b minus well, you're getting an f right now for being close to your microphone b minus okay so so okay.
Speaker 2So there's things that we can improve on yeah absolutely all right, so let's talk about that part so today's friday, today's friday time to start the cycle all over again tick, tick, tick.
Speaker 1Yes, okay so what can we do?
Speaker 2I asked you, first go ahead.
Speaker 1But, ladies, first right no no um well, I think for one is, and it's kind of shot for this week but preparing earlier so I'm not so tired going into it trying to catch up like feeling like I can actually rest through it, because I didn't spend the last six hours trying to rush and prime for it do you think we can like make lists for the this week? Actually one cool thing and this is not a commercial, we do not get paid for this, but we just got like the little chore screen we got.
Speaker 1Oh, yeah, that would be good to do weekly and granted, we can. We don't have to set a specific day when it's due, but we could put all the stuff that needs to get done on there and then try to get that done before friday yeah, yeah yeah, so that will help us keep track and realize like, oh, we really need to get that done.
Speaker 2Friday's coming. The kids have been doing good with like checking off their stuff yeah but you really haven't had anything assigned I assigned things to myself you go back and check the record yeah, I got some things done this week, okay not a, not like a not like brag worthy, but I got some things done she has stuff on there like wake up check.
Speaker 1It was like you want me to tell you what was on there. I had grocery shopping on there.
Speaker 2I had um picking up the dog food I had um I need to add some stuff to your list I needed to do the calendar for the well. Um, did you do that? Um, no, I'm still.
Speaker 2It's one of my friday tasks it figures that when I ask it's like yeah, because you knew the other things got done okay, that's why you didn't ask, that's why you oh he's see him trolling me over here but, you know what, um, I think that's a good idea. Or for me, like I am, like, am, like, oh, I can use this day to actually plan out like the week, not just for what I need to get done by Sunday but get done for the rest of the week and that way I can start knocking stuff out. I've worked pretty well with lists and that way I can start being ahead of the game, but oh, oh, did you find any?
Speaker 2Well, I guess we didn't talk about the things you want to finish talking about the things you want to change, but I am curious were there any unexpected benefits that came from it?
Sabbath Rest and Family Time Benefits
Speaker 1unexpected. I don't think I. I thought it sounds so bad. I think I would. I don't think that I thought I would enjoy like just doing nothing or just doing random stuff with the kids as much as I did. It was really fun like just pulling things out, just doing random stuff with the kids as much as I did. It was really fun like just pulling things out of the Jenga tower. That was really awesome and even though it was hot and I don't really like the heat, but going out to ride bikes and just talking and, you know, just playing around with the kids, I think that was awesome. We also went to Rays on the River.
Speaker 2No, not Rays on the River, that's Atlanta Shaggy's the phrase on a river. No, not Atlanta shaggies. Shaggies on the res. That was really cool. That was nice. Yeah, yeah, sat outside and, like, looked at the alligators and the boats and stuff. Yeah, that was cool. So yeah, so that okay good, so that was a benefit. I was thinking about one thing that was unexpected for me I felt like men more mentally clear and I felt like I was able to think about how amazing your husband is among other things I was able to think about, like just some of the creative things that I need to do tell me more.
Speaker 1What does that mean?
Speaker 2um well, I mean even the conversations that we've been having this week around things to do here at the well and all of that I don't think I spend time thinking about that, or I haven't really been able to vocalize some of the things that. I've been thinking about If I had thought about it, because my brain is just constantly like on go.
Speaker 1I hear you saying is you taking dedicated and specific time to rest, opened up the thought space to for you to be able to be creative? And quite frankly, achieve some of the things that you need to do anyway yeah, I mean, I know.
Speaker 1I mean you can look at the science or whatever like there are literally studies that talk about the need for rest in the creative process and I mean we we do a lot of creating of things we not just we hear, but just like coming up with new ideas for business and podcast ideas at all.
Speaker 2Like there's a lot of brain work that happens behind a lot of what we do, um and so giving ourself that space and that that opportunity to like rest from the work. I think opened up an opportunity for there to be more creativity and I ended up knocking out like some things that I needed to take care of on Monday.
Speaker 2I ended up doing that on Sunday. It was just like I know. I was like who? Am I okay, go email. Delayed delivery but it was written on Sunday night for Monday morning Things that I would have not done before, just with more intentional planning for the week ahead. So that's that's what I. That's what I experienced this week. So all in all, and maybe it has something to do with the Sabbath it sounds like it was worth it. For me.
Speaker 1Is it something you're going to keep doing?
Speaker 2Yeah, especially if I can like be a better version of myself, like the pre-planning and the pre-work. No, I'm going to stop.
Speaker 1That would be good, nope, I'm going to stop you there.
Speaker 2Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 1Because so often, like there are things we are supposed to do, that we know we're a better version of ourself because of it yeah but because the price is to is much more expensive than we want to pay we allow those things to stop. So I reject that. Just because it makes you a better person, that makes it worthwhile. What about it makes it worthwhile to you that actually makes you want to do all the extra work necessary to make space for seven yeah, I really think there were no downsides.
Speaker 2I mean, yeah, we had to plan ahead, but that's not a downside. That's like I need to do that anyway. There's more time with my husband, more time with my children. There's no downside like have being more prepared and having more creative mind space. There's no downside. I haven't experienced the downside, I don't know like what for what? Reason would I stop?
Speaker 1I think, yeah, you need an extra day to get stuff done.
Speaker 2I'm finding that I don't need an extra day to get things done.
Speaker 1I'm finding that.
Speaker 2I need to get stuff done now and, um, I think it, by having that extra space and that pre-planning and prep time, mentally it's gonna help with like the like I feel like the the start is probably the hardest thing, but the maintenance will become easier as we get into the rhythm of oh saturday's coming, let me get my stuff done before friday, not one friday before friday okay, yeah that's. That's my opinion of it but, what for you?
Speaker 2is it worth continuing? Is it worth doing? It was the cost, did the? Did the benefits outweigh the cost or the cost outweighed benefits? This is gonna sound bad, but it's gonna get cleaned up in the end I would say the cost outweighed benefits.
Speaker 1This is gonna sound bad, but it's gonna get cleaned up. In the end I would say the cost did not outweigh the benefit. At this stage, like the amount of work it took to start the sabbath process was like wow, that was a lot to get done and it took a lot and it even. It took so much to the point where it impacted the actual sabbath. So I think, going from zero to sabbath, no, but the continued focus on the sabbath, I think yes, does that make sense?
Speaker 1yeah, it's kind of like. It's kind of like going up a hill or something like to go from zero to one mile an hour is the hardest part, but then, once you get moving, it's a lot easier and so I think from this point forward it makes more sense. But everything that had to get done last week was crazy.
Speaker 2To try to get all that stuff done well, do you think that you have to do all those things that you did? Last week this week, or are there established processes?
Speaker 1now. I think they all still need to get done, but with better planning I'm not trying to get them done between 8 PM and 3 AM. Like it's not that much when you have a whole week to do it, but when you're like, oh crap, this starts in four hours, then it's like poor planning created poor performance. So if if it's not planned and if I'm just trying to get it done the last second, then no, it's not worth it. I would rather be sleep. But if I actually do what I'm supposed to do, then I think the benefits of that day are super, super awesome and I don't see myself looking back when the kids are older, being like man. I wish I would have tiled a floor instead of spent time with my boys. Like I really enjoyed that. I really enjoy spending time with you, all of those things.
Speaker 2So you enjoy spending time with me yes, I do oh that's why I like recording this podcast.
Speaker 1Yeah, this is like the best thing.
Speaker 2It's the best thing on our to-do list, I think probably second for me I'm curious what's first I don't know, is that pg? Of course not what else we got on this list well, um, um, okay, things that you we talked about, things that you would change as far as pre-planning, Are there things that you would change? About the day itself.
Speaker 1No, I think well, the the one. Thing. I want to do and I've been asking the question. I don't think the kids get it, but I really want them to have like feel like a piece of it, like yeah something you want to do outside of Chuck. E Cheese every week outside of like whatever it is that they always say every week but, um, just like, feel like it's a part of the day that you get to plan something that you're looking forward to yeah.
Speaker 1I think, um, as we go like back earlier in the school year we had, we were at one school, we didn't really have a good of an experience there, um, and we kind of went down this path of like negative encouragement and taking stuff away, and that didn't really work.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1But I think, with positive encouragement and positive reinforcement, hey, we have this thing coming up. We really want you to be a part of it. You're bought into it. I think that would be a really positive experience.
Speaker 1So if there's something I would want to improve on, it's just the kids feeling more ownership. Understanding the idea at large we really haven't explained it to them, yeah. Understanding the idea at large because we really haven't explained it to them, yeah. But then also taking more ownership of the idea to say this is what I want to do as a part of it, and to celebrate that and have fun doing those things and to even plan ahead with.
Speaker 1You know, they have those subscription boxes or something like some fun activity yeah we can do in the backyard or something just to spend time together and not it not always be about work.
Speaker 2Yeah, I can dig that. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1So, but we want to hear from you definitely, like I hope and I wonder if any of you have been thinking about or considering doing a Sabbath or a rest day, and, if you have already, and if you did this along with us, what was your experience like? Did you were you able to stick with it throughout the whole time and were there any benefits from it? We encourage you to drop it down in the comments.
Speaker 2We'd love to read what you guys are going through and what you've been doing and if you've gotten anything positive out of this experience. Yeah, so, um, I just want to tell you what the things I plan to do differently okay, what you're gonna do differently? Well, I told you I want to spend, like, more intentional time with god throughout the day not just like hey morning, we're done.
Speaker 2God check, got the god stuff done no, I don't want to do it like that, okay, um so like just maybe incorporating it more into our conversations, even the conversations with the kids, because I think that helps to make it like real, real yeah and understand like god is not just like imaginary superhero yeah yeah but instead like this is a relationship and these are the things that we do. So that's one of my things I'm doing with this whole social media thing and if I need to cut that out for the day going bless it bless it. I don't know, I'm still. I probably need to do it. Um, I'm not sure if I'm there yet you talked about you talked.
Speaker 1Well, you had made a statement. During like three quarters of the way through that, you felt like I was on my phone way too much, which I didn't agree with, because I didn't think I was on my phone that much but for dinner that night I just left it in the car. I don't know if you noticed or anything. I was hoping to get brownie points for it you did. Yeah, see, you didn't even I didn't know, didn't even notice, but I left it in the car.
Speaker 1Okay, I obviously didn't get any brownie points for it.
Speaker 2That's not happening again but I think that may be something that maybe I'll just notice it this time.
Speaker 1Sorry you missed it one time shot but maybe that's something that we can do. You know, have leave our phone somewhere yeah and kind of make that more intentional, which kind of takes care of your social media a little bit yeah, but or at least like restricted hours, maybe like something like that but it's just more about, I think, something noticeably done so that you don't miss out on my brownie points you see, I did it too.
Speaker 2I see you did it too.
Speaker 1Okay, you're gonna see me the first to touch it all right, okay, one, let's go, I'll leave it here tomorrow yes, it does make sense.
Speaker 2So, but yeah, I, I thought it was great, I, I want to continue, okay. Um, I think we should continue and it'll develop over time. So maybe after a few weeks, maybe a couple months or so, maybe we can revisit the conversation and see if there are any marked changes in our life, any benefits that we saw that we could.
Speaker 1If we start the video y'all and there's no table here and I'm floating, you know I'm doing it right, that's my goal Levitation, Levitation.
Speaker 2His goal is to float. I mean, all right, go for it.
Encouraging Rest and Reflecting on Conversations
Speaker 1You know who's to say it can't happen. You know, when I was growing up I thought there was a book of levitation, but it's lamentation Anyways. Thank you so much for joining in with us for conversations at the well. We hope you got something out of this conversation. We hope you are taking the challenge to go and try to instill a day of a day of rest or a Sabbath day in and of your own time.
Speaker 1We think it'll be beneficial, been beneficial to us, maybe beneficial to you yeah, so thank you again for joining us.
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