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Manifest your writing success with Jane Tara

• Tina Strachan • Season 1 • Episode 38

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In this episode of the Book Deal podcast, host Tina Strachan interviews author Jane Tara about her book 'Tilda Is Visible' and how she uses manifesting and visualization to achieve her writing dreams. Jane discusses her journey, the power of understanding what you want, and taking steps to get there. They explore the impact of meditation, the creation of vision boards, and how being clear about goals can lead to success. Jane shares personal anecdotes and practical advice on the importance of aligning with your goals, manifesting creatively, and overcoming self-doubt in the writing journey. 

This week’s Debut Spotlight is Angela Tonioli and her book ‘Mavis the Little Plane Spotter’ with Wombat Books.


00:00 Welcome to the Book Deal Podcast

00:46 Introducing Jane Tara and Her Unique Approach

02:06 Jane Tara's Writing Journey and Career Insights

05:57 The Inspiration Behind 'Tilda is Visible'

11:18 Manifesting Success and Overcoming Challenges

23:15 The Power of Vision Boards and Manifestation

38:02 A Magical Encounter in West Hollywood

39:09 The Power of Vision Boards

41:15 Navigating Opportunities as an Author

42:20 Finding the Right Publisher

51:22 The Role of Meditation in Creativity

01:01:54 Visualization Techniques for Success

01:07:08 Conclusion and Final Thoughts



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Hi everyone, and welcome to the book Deal podcast. I am Tina Strachan, your host for today, and I am so excited to bring you an interview with today's guest, Jane Tara. This interview is a little different to our other interviews because not only do I chat to Jane about her latest book, Tilda is Visible, but we discuss how Jane has used manifesting and visualization to achieve her writer dreams and it's proven successful for her beyond her wildest imaginings. Whether you believe in the power of the divine or not. Every author has a goal or a vision or a desire to get what they believe is success for them. And at the root of it all, it's about understanding what you really want and taking steps to get there. And for those authors trying to get their first book deal or published authors. Waiting on another contract or perhaps something more. This episode will give you some insight on how to get there by creating a clear vision for your pathway forward. I have to say, since chatting with Jane, I've created my own vision board, and you may have heard in one of our last ep, it's already started working. It's magic for me. The way I see it, it certainly can't hurt to give it a go. So please enjoy this app and let us know if you take any of these tips and tricks on board and how they work for you. Enjoy. Jane Tara, welcome to the book Deal podcast.

Jane Tara:

Aw, Tina, thank you for having me on. Thanks for reaching out and asking me. I was, I was waiting for my invitation. Thank you.

Tina:

Oh, no, you're most very welcome. The pleasure is all ours. It's, and it's so great to have you here. I have so many questions for you. We've got so much to chat about. And because as you know, uh, the Book Deal podcast is all about helping authors on their journey to publication at whatever stage they're at. Um, and given you've published over 100 books in your career and you've done all of that while being a, a working mom and raising children, and you worked for better reading for a really long time as well, which is one of the most influential book communities.

Speaker 3:

Mm-hmm.

Tina:

Uh, and your latest book, Tilda, is visible, uh, has been an absolute smash hit both here in Australia and overseas. So I know that you have lots of advice for our listeners.

Jane Tara:

Well, I've certainly been around for a long time and doing, and doing, look, I've been a working writer for a very long time, uh, making I. You know, scraping a living out of it. Um, but with the, with all the, the backlist of books, um, you know, I did write a series of sort of paranormal romance and Ya, but when I became a single mom, I had to earn a living. So, uh, so I was doing a lot of freelance writing, travel writing, um, parenting writing, but I wrote for the education market. Mm-hmm. Um, both here and overseas. And I think, you know, so many, um, people who might be listening to this podcast or, you know, even published authors might think that, you know, the pinnacle of writing is. To have the, the book deal that I have with children, what's been happening. And that is true. Um, but you know, that back list of, um, of children's educational books, uh, you know, that put food on the table for 20 years. Mm-hmm. Uh, so, and it's a completely different area of publishing. So you can, you know, work in multiple areas of publishing. You can work in university presses or, um, children's sort of educational presses for primary level or, yeah. So there's a, a lot of, uh, different areas I've explored over decades. Yeah. And

Tina:

there's still, it's still aligned though, isn't it? It's still writing and it's Yes. Still publishing and you're still learning I'm sure every single time. And it all contributes and you know, everything. I'm a big believer that everything that. Uh, all those steps that you take, uh, lead you to exactly where you are now,

Speaker 3:

you know? Oh,

Tina:

that all had to happen. But that's sort of what we're gonna talk about today, isn't it? Jane was sort of, you know, normally, um, on the podcast and we're often quite practical with our advice mm-hmm. And our tips of, um, you know, how to, how to get published, you know, how to, how when is the right time to submit, how to get agents, things like that. But we are taking a little bit of a different tact with this one, and we're gonna get a little bit woowoo Yes. Aren't we? Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, you know, manifesting, visualizing you mm-hmm. You know, whatever you wanna call it. Um, it's. It can be a very powerful tool and uh, it's can be something that is very helpful. Uh, another helpful tool for authors mm-hmm. Um, in their journey. And I know that you, uh, know quite a lot about it, and you have, um, some, some experiences that I really wanna, uh, pick your brain about. But, but first, um, can we first talk a little bit about Tilda is visible mm-hmm. Your most recent book that has come out. I'm sure everybody's already heard of it, but for those that haven't, can you give us a, a one-liner or, or a little bit of an intro to Tilda is visible

Jane Tara:

Of course. So, and it's interesting that some territories are saying, this is my debut. Yeah. So, mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Um, so Tilda is visible is comedic women's fiction. Uh, and actually in the US they do promote it as self-help fiction as well. Ah, I didn't know that was, it has a little bit of that thread through it. Um, but it's about a woman in her fifties, Tilda, who wakes up one morning and her little finger is missing and she goes to the doctor and she is diagnosed after a series of tests with invisibility, which is a common condition for women over 50. And she's told that there is no cure. She just has to accept that this is the way it is and she's going to start disappearing. And, um, she's given the number for a support group, and that's that she's sent on away. There's not, not much funding for research women's condition. So, um, Tilda doesn't accept that, accept, and she, she doesn't want to disappear, and she goes on the journey of a lifetime to learn how to see herself again.

Tina:

That's incredible. An incredible pitch. It's, um, I didn't know that there was a category of self-help. Uh, what, what did you It's not, oh, I wrote it. Yeah. No, in the states you

Jane Tara:

said it was, um, yeah, no, that's, that's what they took it on as because that I told them it was, um, okay. And, and they saw that I think that things are really changing that. So I, I was on the journey that Tilda takes and when you're on that journey of healing, self-development, looking at yourself and meditating, which Tilda, uh, Tilda does, I, um, I really wanted to, when I sort of wasn't doing that work on myself. And wasn't reading the many, many fantastic self-help authors that are out there in the non-fiction space. I wanted to immerse myself in entertainment that still was aligned with that journey. So I really wanted to watch a movie about a woman who was on a journey like this, or I wanted to read a book that, you know, was, was really aligned with where I was at, and I couldn't find anything specifically like this. So. So I wrote it and it turns out that there's a lot of people who are, um, really on this journey of self-help, self-development, neuroplasticity, because there's emerging of science and metaphysics. Now more and more people are turning to this, to um, sort of shift their perception about themselves and the world and to heal things. And, uh, and so I think we're going to be seeing more entertainment that is, um, aligned with that as well. More entertainment that's uplifting and that talks about this story of, of healing and human consciousness. Well, books. Books. Do you diving right in there?

Tina:

Yeah. Well, books do help people don't they? On or on many different levels. And uh, like you were saying that you wrote that book though, because you couldn't find anything about that particular mm-hmm You couldn't find a book that filled that particular gap for you and you wouldn't have been the only one. Surely, clearly there has been many people that have been searching that for that as well because the book's been so successful and that's, um, always been, you know, a common advice that you hear is if write the book that you wanna read.

Jane Tara:

Yes. And

Tina:

that's exactly what you've done. And that is

Jane Tara:

really important because you spend a lot of time, often years,

Tina:

with

Jane Tara:

those characters in that situation. So what do you enjoy? You know, how can you be lifted out of your own life into a, a world, even if you're writing horror or thriller, you know, if you are enjoying that space, then it's a really great energy to put out into the world. Um, but I ultimately, over the top of that self-help thread, I really wanted it to be entertaining. I just wanted people to, so, so any, anyone who's listening who hasn't read Tilda and might be put off by the self-help, it's comedic women's fiction. Mm-hmm. That's, and I think that the best way to sort of share some of the, these tools with people is to not preach there's enough great teachers out there and just to introduce a few ideas. They can take them up or not. They can just sort of, you know, be invested in the love story that's in the, in the book rather than anything else.

Tina:

Yeah, it's a story for, for many people, regardless of, you know, people in Tilda situation. But I was going to ask you about the, um, inspiration for your book. And you said that, um, you felt like you were going through that journey at the same time when you were writing it. So you, so you've really

Jane Tara:

Yes. I actually went through the journey before writing it. Um, I went through the, the, the breakup, uh, of the marriage, like Tilda. Um, I had been meditating for quite a few years. Uh, like Tilda starts there. I had to face childhood trauma like Tilda does. So I'd gone through that and, um, arrived at a place where we were all locked down and like a lot of people I had the extra time to go. Okay. Well I think it's time I wrote that book that I've been thinking about for so long, um, and. You know, I did, Tilda had been with me for about 10 years by that. Yeah,

Tina:

yeah, yeah. Even everything up in, so, because I find it fascinating that she is literally disappearing and becoming invisible. Mm-hmm. Like, because there's so, you know, people use that term for just, um, you know, just not being noticed, you know, anymore, um, which is what you're trying to capture, but actually physically her body disappearing is gold. I love that you've actually just physically put that on there and has, so was that concept always with you or did that come a little bit later when you were trying to

Jane Tara:

No, that was always with me. So I, um, and you've probably heard this story on podcast. I roll it out a bit, but I was misdiagnosed with a degenerative eye condition and told that I was going blind. Um, I didn't get the. Like the results, um, of what it actually was for nearly three months. So for three months I lived with the possibility of losing sight, and that was an interesting three months because I at first freaked out. Um, but then I went down this rabbit hole of, uh, research into some really unusual, um, studies that were taking place on the mind's eye and teaching blind people to see through their chest and all these really, really interesting rabbit holes that I went down. Mm-hmm. But then I started to really question, well, how do I see, how do I see the world? And each one of us sees the world differently.

Speaker 3:

Mm-hmm.

Jane Tara:

We all have a different version of reality, which is fascinating to me, and I could like talk about that with wine for hours. Um, but um, so how did I see it? And um, there is a quote that's attributed to Einstein about how each of us has to decide whether we see the universe as friendly or not. Uh, and that, that's a question I started to ask myself. And the answer to that was really uncomfortable. I realized that I saw the world, the universe, my life as, um, something of high risk. It was sort of, it was, it was, there was always a sense of doom around me. Like I couldn't be happy. Because it was always going to be taken away from me. And, uh, and so as a result, I, I sabotaged a lot of things that could have led to happiness in my life. And, you know, any, anyone who does any form of self-help knows that all roads lead back to self-worth. And mine led back to my childhood as well. So, um, so I had to go back in my healing process and start from there and start to really value myself and learn how to see myself, who was I and who was I without all of my, um, the baggage that I'd been carrying around for, you know, 40 odd years. Mm-hmm. And, and so that was the journey that I went on. And during this time. Tilda came to me and just, and she wasn't quite, but, but she was always going to be invisible because I realized that through losing my, potentially losing my side, I would somehow become invisible to myself. But then I realized I already was.

Tina:

Mm-hmm. Wow. And again, like we've, we've already touched on that. Like everything that you've done beforehand leads to where you are now and including having a incredibly scary diagnosis of possibly losing your eyesight. Mm-hmm. But which would've been horrific to go through, and I'm sure traumatic and even probably still dealing with the trauma of that, even though it turned out to be incorrect. Well, I've gotta

Jane Tara:

walk out of it, so I'm fine.

Tina:

That's what I mean.

Jane Tara:

I know.

Tina:

See, had you not have had to be misdiagnosed, I have

Jane Tara:

to say, for a few months after I received the correct diagnosis, I woke each day. And readjust it. It was like that fear that I was carrying in, in my arms. Actually. I could feel it in my arms still. And then I'd go, oh no, that's gone. That's, I can let that go. I can let that go. So, you know, it was, it was big. Yeah. Stressful. But at the same time, a lot of our, um, stressful times, traumatic times, those are the, the, our wounds, they're actually the doorway into something else if we, if we face them as well. Um, they are the doorway into growth.

Tina:

Yeah, that's right. And, and yeah, it's. It is clearly has been a relatable story in the end that, you know, that that came out of that whole diagnosis.

Speaker 3:

Mm.

Tina:

Because, um, it's gone so well. The book has been amazing. And did I see that it was recently on Oprah's Daily? Yes. List on, is that what it's called? Ops. Ops Daily Best Oprah Daily. Yeah. That's incredible. Facebook

Jane Tara:

string or

Tina:

something. That was crazy. Yeah, it's doing so well overseas. There's lots of attention. I think deservedly it sounds like it's still going really strong and like

Jane Tara:

there is this space, amazing things happening with it. And, um, I guess the, the, you know, at the foundation of this conversation, it's that like, how, how can these things happen to a book? And they do happen, they do happen to, to some books. I know, but I know my, um, personal experience of how I feel like I've set this book up, whereas 30 years of writing previously haven't sort of led me to the same place.

Tina:

Yeah. But it's would've been beneficial and would've helped in some way. And then, you know, you came across that idea of, um, of Tilda and, and then it's all just. Come together. And because you did go through that experience that you went through, then you clearly writing with, um, yeah, with a lot of truth there. I, I guess, which makes the difference between someone else who could write a similar book but just hasn't experienced it for themselves. So

Jane Tara:

I think, uh, and I can't remember who it is, it's an Australian, maybe it's Michael Ham. Um, but anyway, someone has a, a sign on their wall, and I think a few Aussie authors have taken this. And it, um, it says make them care. And so I often think about that when I'm write writing. And when I was writing Tilda, I'd never considered that before. I guess writing was sort of either for me, I just wrote for myself or, um, or, you know, to pay bills.

Speaker 3:

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Jane Tara:

So, um, so when I was writing Tilda, I'd finished, almost finished the first draft. And something was missing, really something just, and I know most writers, we, they have a, in different ways, they'll have a sense of something, something's not working. And so for me, it's kind of in my diaphragm, I kind of get this sort of, it's like a sense, I knew something wasn't working and I thought about this sign, make them care. And I kept thinking, why is anyone going to care about this?

Speaker 3:

Mm.

Jane Tara:

Um, so I decided I needed to put more of myself into it, and that was a massive leap for me. I realized that I wrote at a distance. Mm-hmm. So I put myself into it. I put my, the end of my marriage into it. I, and not all of it, like Tilda is not me, but it's certainly, uh, inspired by a lot of my life and, um, sort of auto fiction in a way or likely so. Uh, but I, I did put in with Pearl, the inner dialogue character into, in, um, Tilda. I put a lot of my own personal programs and thoughts that I have throughout the day, and when I finished the book. I then felt very, very vulnerable and I put it away for about six months and didn't show anyone because, because I worked at Better Reading, because I worked in with all the publishers, I thought they're all going to think I'm absolutely crazy. Uh, eventually I showed someone in the industry and I knew that this person meditated.

Speaker 3:

Mm-hmm.

Jane Tara:

So it wouldn't, it wouldn't be too much of a leap. She loved it. Um, suggested someone else. Then, uh, very, a good friend of mine, Belinda Alexandra, the, um, historical author. She also meditates, she suggested Kelly at a firm. And, um, I'd always sort of dreamt of being published by a firm because I think they're an amazing publisher, but I didn't know Kelly Doused personally. And, uh, so I contacted her and it all happened quite quickly after that. And what I've discovered by. Putting myself into it in that way and be allowing myself to be that vulnerable is, uh, actually the story's not that unusual. It's like so many women.

Speaker 3:

Mm

Tina:

mm Yeah. And that was would've been a very hard thing to do then to write, to put yourself into it. And how did you therapy? It was so, it was so, it was hard, but it was, yes. Beneficial. Yeah.

Jane Tara:

Uh, it's interesting that when I was editing, going through the editing process, even the edit in the us there was still a couple of scenes with Tilda and her ex-husband that I still found a little difficult to work. Yeah. So, uh, I don't, and yet, and in, you know, I have so many women say to me, I. My marriage was like that. Not overtly abusive, but you know, I felt undermined like that. I was in pain like that. I, um, so yeah, it,

Tina:

yeah,

Jane Tara:

worked,

Tina:

it did work. And it's made it what it is today. And like we were saying, you can't, you can't fake that. Lots of people can probably write about those sort of circumstances, you know, do a bit of research, but, um, I'm sure they don't communicate it on the page or connect with the reader as much as someone like yourself who's been through it because you just, you can describe more of what it feels like personally and on the inside, so. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Although it's hard, it's, um, it, yeah, like you said, it's been therapy and it's, and it's really paid off, hasn't it, by reducing this like really Yeah. Book that people have been able to connect to, so. Congratulations. Well done, Jane. Thank you. So Jane, we know each other, we met through the 2024 debut crew. Yes. Even though my book ended up coming out 2025. But that's been cool because I got to be part of the two of the debut crews. Yeah. Um, but recently, uh, you reached out because of something that I posted on Instagram. Mm-hmm. Where I, about two years ago, my kids brought home the Scholastic Book Club brochure and I remember just, you know, looking through it because I love it when they bring it home. It just because they were around when I was at school and I used to love getting the book hub for brochure and going through and circling everything and, you know, oh yes.

Jane Tara:

Circling everything,

Tina:

circling all the things that you bought and ticking the ones that you've read. And, um, I, I was. My parents never ordered me anything for this. I stick book up thing, unfortunately. But I, I remember always just circling them and loving'em and I love books and love reading and so when my kids would bring them home, that was incredible. And, uh, yeah, a couple of years ago I was just sort of mucking around and I, um, just drew like this in it and I just filmed myself drawing in it and I wrote like my book on, on the Drew, a little book in there and I wrote my book and I was just like, you know, just, just wishing. I don't know, I just, I popped it up. I can't even remember what my caption was. And then, um, yeah, a couple of months ago my youngest came home and he is like with the Scholastic book Club brush and I'm like, cool book club. And he is like, mom, look. And he opens it up and my book's in it. How magic, it's just so many things about that was so incredible. Um, yeah. Yeah, just having my debut book in the book club. Yeah. Which I didn't know about. So it was just like, it was surprise and, and then, but to have my kids. Being like, you know, I know. It's like, it's so incredible. It's like all, all my friends were there, they're all circling it, so they were their parents. I was like, oh no. It was so just one of those moments, like you can't, you could not, yeah, nothing can beat that. That was so great. And, and so then I did a little post of like that post from two years ago where I was drawing my book in the Scholastic book club brochure to actually now where it's in the book, in the Scholastic book club brochure. Um, just, yeah, being like. Call it what you will, but, you know, manifesting, visualizing, whatever it is. Mm. Um, but it's putting it out there Yes. And putting it out into the, into the universe and Yes. Um, yeah. And yeah. Hopefully it comes back at, at you in some way. So, um, and, and this is, this is something you have actually actively Yes. Manifested, haven't you? And this is something that I really wanna chat to you about today. So, um, can you tell us what manifesting looks like for you and, and, and what you did and, and sort of what's come out of that for you?

Speaker 3:

Mm-hmm.

Jane Tara:

So manifesting gets a bad rap.

Speaker 3:

Mm-hmm.

Jane Tara:

Uh, because people think that it is in some way, um, just like believing in magic. You know, um, I did a podcast a few years ago and I was already someone who, uh, was actively manifesting the journey that I'm on now. But I did a podcast a couple of years ago with Tara Sw and she is, um, an English neuroscientist. She was a psychiatrist with the NHS for over a decade before she went back and studied, um, neurobiology or something. She teaches neuroscience at MIT, like she is, her credentials are, yeah, just I felt, I felt like I just sat there going, oh, I'm not worthy, I'm not worthy to be speaking to you. She wrote a book called The Source, and that is a, um, book about manifesting, but she only uses the brain even though she believes in. Kind of a, sort of an expanded sort of reality. She, she only explained how manifesting works with, um, the brain and how, uh, using things like vision boards and meditations and visualizing, um, can help you manifest things. So one of the things that, um, she talks about in that is value tagging. Now by manifesting, by being very, very clear about what you want. The brain starts to value, tag that information because it does that all day long anyway. That is what the brain does. So if your brain, um, is just left to its own devices, it's going to value tag based on the traumas of your past and who hurt you and who said this three weeks ago, and who, and it will value tag information. Just kind of throw it all back to you. It's a bit chaotic if you, um, become quite strategic about your career and start to really have a vision of how you would like that to look. Um, and then kind of let it go. Like, you don't need to micromanage everyone's job with this either, but you, you, you do it at your end. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3:

And

Jane Tara:

allow the space for that to happen. Generally, things will come in. Like the, the, your brain value tags opportunities to get you to that experience. Mm-hmm. So for you, you looked at that catalog and you went, oh, and you also said I was in a dreamy state.

Speaker 3:

Mm-hmm.

Jane Tara:

Bit of a dreamy state. Take those brainwaves down. You don't do it in a hyped up beta brainwave state. You take it down into a slower dreamier creative state, and you are doing that and you're thinking, this is what I would like. Then you started, you got to work on it. You didn't just wait for it to show up, you got to work on it.

Speaker 3:

Mm-hmm.

Jane Tara:

And then what I love about this is because it's kind of like you are building the experience and then the divine surprises you. Mm-hmm. You didn't even realize it was going to be in there. It was a surprise. Yeah. Yeah. In those magical ways. Yeah. So it is a, um, a lesson in trust as well, that if you start to train the brain a in, you train the brain in what you want, then the external world kind of falls into place because you've, you've designed that and it is built and, um, and so that, that's the way that it happened for you. So with me for Tilda, I have like most writers, like most creative people being at the mercy of others for my entire career.

Speaker 3:

Mm-hmm.

Jane Tara:

You know, and I mean, just a really great example of that is, you know, at the beginning of your career, so many people, they don't have the money to pay you, but it'll be good exposure. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It only happens. Plumbers don't need exposure. They get paid. Yes. But creative people are, and we're all so grateful for the exposure that we take it. What are we saying to ourselves?

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Jane Tara:

About that. So a lot of the work that I did was really on self-worth.

Speaker 3:

Mm-hmm.

Jane Tara:

Being paid for my work. I built that as a really solid foundation. And then I started to think about, um, and I wrote something. I was, I, I, I loved myself. It wasn't like I wasn't writing for market or anything like that. It was what I, I put my heart and soul into this book and then I went, okay, let's be strategic about it. So there's two ways to be strategic. I believe There is. And, and you merge both of them. So I'm very strategic about my career. I. Very strategic, and I come from a marketing background and I do whatever it takes. I was out there meeting books sellers and doing all of those things that really help a book. But then on the other side, I was also creating some vision boards and meditating and, um, being really specific about some of the experiences I would like for Tilda. And once I was clear on that, I let them go. Mm-hmm. You don't, like you did with the, you didn't think about that again. It just sort of showed up in your life. So I let them go. Um, and those vision boards that I created, like I can look back at them now and go, oh my God, so many of, and some of the things I was like, I'll just put that on'cause you never know or, you know, pop that on. You never know. There's magic in the world, and what we can't explain it, but there is.

Angela Toniolo:

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Tina:

Yeah. There's so much there. And I think so. But on a practical level, what does the vision board look for you? Is it an actual, tangible thing? I know people that use like Canva, like photos and stuff.

Jane Tara:

I use Canva.

Tina:

You use Canva? Yes.

Jane Tara:

Yeah. Because I tend to make, like, I know, I, I spoke to someone yesterday actually, uh, who's a very successful woman and she does a, um, vision board every New Year's Eve, and she pasts it all on a big board and she puts it up and she has that in her office. Mm-hmm. And that's once a year for me. I, um, I do it sort of for different things. I might do, I might do like six or seven vision boards a year.

Speaker 3:

Mm-hmm.

Jane Tara:

One example, uh, is last, uh, last October I was going to the us um, because Childre had made a most anticipated list for someone who was throwing a party to launch the list.

Speaker 3:

Wow.

Jane Tara:

I thought, yeah, great, I'll go for that. Uh, as it happened, I also had some personal stuff going on at that time with someone who was terminally ill, and I thought, oh, you know, and I started to get very anxious about this trip and, um, fear gets in the way of everything in life. So I created a vision board to ground myself. It was almost like if I could. Put on the vision board a series of things that I knew this was going to happen. Um, I would, it just settled my anxiety about the trip. So for example, on the vision board I had that, I was flying business class. Um, I didn't buy a business class ticket, but you know, I was flying business class. Um, I was enjoying myself at a party. I had a, there was a vision of a great meeting, um, in New York with my, like, I had Penguin Random House, the actual New York office there. And, um, so I did, I went to lunch there and then I had LA and I had some meetings there. So all of this was on the vision board, and by the time I'd finished creating the vision board, I thought I. I feel much better about the trip. I feel like I can, there it is. This is okay. This is going to be okay. I just kind of settled myself with the creative process of, of it. Anyway, I flew business class. Um, I had these great meetings. I went to this party, I did all of this. I had a wonderful time. But here's the really funny thing. I went in la um, I was going to do two days of research for the novel. I'm currently writing now on every vision board. I put a unicorn as well, and that is a symbol for what I can't even imagine. Mm. So everything that I, Ima, this is all stuff I can imagine. And I, you know, that's great, but there's something I can't even imagine. So you're not limiting yourself. I, your unicorn is the. The thing that the sky Yeah. At this particular point in my life, I don't even know that that could happen. Yeah. Yeah. Something amazing. Anyway, so I put the unicorn on and yeah, whatever, and I, and I'm having this trip and I really felt like I was in flow and trust. And honestly, the experience of, of being there for my book was just, I mean, I was in gratitude as well. Like I really was so grateful for this, these experiences and meeting these wonderful people. And anyway, one day I'm walking around West Hollywood, um, doing a little bit of research, going to, um, a particular place to look at a bookstore that I'm putting in my novel. But this bookstore closed down many, many years ago, but it was famous in the 1970s, so I just wanted to see the location.

Speaker 3:

Mm-hmm.

Jane Tara:

And I walked down the street that, you know, I knew it was at the end of the street and I turned left to look at where this bookstore used to be, and it's this massive glass window. I. With two six foot unicorns window. And I'm standing there going, I'm laughing, I'm crying. I'm like, you know, in the joy and the magic of, of life. Yeah, yeah. You know, and, and it was a, it was a great trip, but I'd used that particular vision board just to kind of feel better about the trip. I felt like I was a little out, out of my comfort zone. It grounded everything. And then I allowed for a little bit of magic at the end of it. So, um, yeah. So that's, I I used vision boards for all sorts of things.

Tina:

Yeah. That's an incredible story about the unicorn. I really love that. I hadn't heard of that before. I thought of that before about u like using a vision board or ho, however people would like to visualize or manifest. For I guess calming, maybe internal, your internal feelings. Yeah. And that's, that's such a. Great idea for things that I, I,'cause I can see how that would work in, you know, for many things about having anxiety or maybe not knowing if it's exactly the right thing to do. Because do you think even it's just allowing you that time to sit with the discomfort and the allow you that time to run through in your mind what is actually worrying you the most about this? Yeah. And then how would you like it to, to be and how would you like it to work out? And then once you have gone through everything that you think could be the, like, the concern, I guess that's step one of even realizing sometimes that it's not as big as maybe you thought it was, but then you have that, those options and for making it better. Or, or, or just understanding what could happen to make it better. And then it's just because you've already run through all the consequences and the negatives in your mind and, and, but you've then worked that next step to allow for the positives. That was my really long, awkward way of basically saying, yeah. And

Jane Tara:

yeah. Absolutely. And I also think that creative people, authors, oh, we are just so grateful for anything. Mm. You know, that's why we start our career with exposure and then we get to the point where we're being published and we'll take anyone and, um, you know, we, we just sort of, we are constantly in survival mode I guess. So doing something like this is a creative process where we can just kind of step back from it a little bit and go, okay, well yeah, maybe I have a few opportunities here, but what do I want? Yeah,

Tina:

that's what I was gonna ask. So yeah, do you still, you know, take those opportunities if they do come along? Or do you go back and revisit your vision board and think, oh, it doesn't align with what that vision is, so maybe I just need to place that opportunity to the side for the moment. Yes. And because it's not right for me right now.

Jane Tara:

I think that would be a very, very hard thing for any author to do. Oh, yes. Um, to say no to an opportunity. Certainly you, once there's a level of success, they might, but I think in the early days, but I think, um, going back to the value tagging in the brain by doing this in, you know, as you're starting off, you become very clear about what you want and perhaps those opportunities tend to come up more anyway. The ones that are really. Wor, you know, worthy of you and, and the right ones for you. Mm-hmm. So when I had Tilda ready to take out, like I, I, I could have taken that to a few people at different publishers. And honestly, this country has incredible publishers. I get you, you yeah. You write wherever you go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, but sometimes there's a better publisher for your particular story. Mm,

Speaker 3:

mm-hmm.

Jane Tara:

Yeah. It's not that they're a better publisher, it's just for your story. Mm-hmm. So I was, um, through this pro, I, I just knew that Affirm mm-hmm. Was the, the right one for Tilda.

Speaker 3:

Mm-hmm.

Jane Tara:

Uh, and, and I didn't know that Kelly Doost worked at a firm. I'd never met her before. Uh, and it turned out that she published self-Help and women's fiction. So that kind of came together really beautifully for me because I thought, well, you know, I'd love to be with a firm, but I dunno whether they're the right publisher for me. And then it turned out that Kelly had gone and started working there a year before.

Tina:

Mm-hmm.

Jane Tara:

And I, I'd never, you would

Tina:

never have, yeah.

Jane Tara:

Yeah. You

Tina:

couldn't have planned that

Jane Tara:

if you, yeah. So, so I think I, I think if you start to, um, I. You know, really work out what is right for you and your story and your career in the long term. And this is a beautiful way of being creative and, and helping with that. And I, not only, I, I not only do vision boards, I do, I put it into meditations. I do all sorts of things.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Jane Tara:

But I think the vision board is a really, um, it's a creative act and it's a really good way for people to start to go, what do I want? And if you're doing it on Canva, you've got all these images there that you might, and you, you put one image on your vision board and because you've only got a certain amount of space, you might go, yeah, I actually don't care about that. That's not something that interests me.

Speaker 3:

Mm-hmm.

Jane Tara:

And you take it off and you look for the things that do. Your brain takes a visual of that when you are finished. And it's a great thing when you wake up in the morning and go to bed at night, just look at your vision board.

Tina:

Yeah.

Jane Tara:

Okay. And your brain takes a snapshot of that vision board because you've taken the time to place on it, what is really important to you. And then it begins to really look for those opportunities. Mm-hmm. Those opportunities are already there for every, all the opportunities that I've had are there for you and anyone who is listening, but they, um, but often we don't see them. We don't think we're worthy of them, and we don't see them because we are too used to looking for the chaos.

Tina:

Mm-hmm. And I love what you said about, so there's two, two big things to this, isn't there? There's the, like you were saying, you're manifesting, you're creating your vision boards and using that to come up with your, i your ideas of where you want to go. But then there's the strategic. You. You can't just create that vision board and then sit back, do nothing. No. You can't be like, I want to be on Oprah's Daily Best books of Spring or whatever. Or whatever that title was. And, um. Then just pop that on your vision board and not write the book, you know? No. Or get out and promote the book. That's right. Yeah. And then writing, it's only just one part of it. You're right. Then you need to do all the steps that, that take you in that direction. So in a way, even, you know, if people are uncomfortable with the woowoo or manifesting, or the visualization, you're actually, you know, you can think of it as writing yourself a to-do list almost in a way. Yeah. You know, but in a creative way. It's the to-do list. It's my goals, my list of where I wanna be.

Jane Tara:

Yeah.

Tina:

And how do I get there? What are the steps that I need to take? And when you know, what do I do tomorrow that's going to take me in that space, or what's gonna take me away from it? And it's just about helping to direct you. Yes. Yeah.

Jane Tara:

Towards

Tina:

your goal.

Jane Tara:

And you can do that with a list, you could a lot of, right. They, they, you know, their goals out for the year or their five year plan or, um, a vision board is just a, a visual way of doing that. Really.

Tina:

Yeah. But is probably, like you were saying, because it's visual and the way that our brains work as humans, it's a very good way to sort of embed that. Yeah. And the value tagging you, you were saying. Definitely it's, um, helpful for the visions. I remember watching, uh, a documentary or a show many years ago about the Spice Girls. I think it was about the Spice Girls. It had, well it was Jerry Halliwell, you know, from the Spice Girls. And she showed, um, this, she went back to her childhood home and she showed this photo frame that she had still in her bedroom. And she opened it up because in the, on the back of the photo that she had on there, she had written, um, something like. I can't remember exact words, but it was something in line with, um, being, being successful in her singing and traveling the world and earning enough money, being a singer. And, you know, I dunno if she'd used the words famous or whatever, but it was a hundred percent this is where I want to be. And she, she just wrote that, this was before Spice Girls happened when she was younger and she just popped it there and she just said, I just used to always think about that. So that was, that was her way. Canva didn't exist then, you know? Yeah. So it was her way of, of popping that there as her, her her goal, I guess.

Jane Tara:

Yeah. So I think there's a very, um, famous story about Jim Carey. Uh, and he was broke and you know, at the point where like, no work. And he wrote himself a$10 million check and he. Pasted it to the, his ceiling of his dingy flat.

Speaker 3:

Yeah. And

Jane Tara:

he'd wake up every morning and see that$10 million check. Mm-hmm. And I think it was within two years, he got a$10 million payout for whatever film it was. Mm-hmm. Um, so yes, I mean, for me, I, and, and I think all of those are, um, they, they work for some people, but for me, uh, my, when, when I'm thinking in advance, I guess, or of of success or, um, that Tilda has done very well, what I actually think about, and I do it in my meditation, at the end of my meditation, I will really, really visualize this and it's getting up. In the morning, I'm walking out and I can feel the floor on my feet, and I walk out and I make myself a really great coffee.

Speaker 3:

Mm-hmm. I

Jane Tara:

go and sit out on my front porch, my little lovely, bushy view. And actually I've, I've added a water view to it, but, you know. Yeah. So, but, you know, and that I'm spending my day, I, I have a few meetings and then I spend my day writing and I'm very, very clear about that. And that, and when I started doing that, you know, I was writing and working full time and doing some freelance stuff. You know, I'm a single mom. I'm doing, so that's the vision of. Success

Speaker 3:

mm-hmm.

Jane Tara:

For me mm-hmm. To actually be in a space where I can do what I love and afford to do what I love every day. Um, and the things that have led to me being able to have, just get up and have that morning coffee and go and sit at my computer and write all day in my vision. Mm. The things that have led to that are pretty amazing and magical, but I leave that up to the divine. Mm

Tina:

mm I like that. I like that. Because like you said, it could be, you know, there could be some unicorns in there that you don't even know about. Yeah. That are leading you to That's right. To that day. I really like that. That's, that's great. Visualizing how you want your day to be and everything else.

Jane Tara:

It's, and it's a very good exercise for a writer mm-hmm. To write your perfect day. Mm-hmm. And I, I've done that a couple of times and it always sort of looks like that. It's like saying, you know, tracksuit pants and my dog, it sounds amazing. It sounds incredible. It's not your perfect day is not that day that you know, you're out there at a book launch or anything, but it's the normal day that you would live a regular basis.

Speaker 3:

Mm.

Jane Tara:

That brings you contentment.

Tina:

Yeah. I think that's probably all that a lot of writers want. Just Yes, pay me some money so I can stay home and write and just be comfortable doing that. Yeah. Yes. That's a very good vision to have. Mm-hmm. Um, but you meditate like you were saying, Jane. Yeah. And how is that also, like you were just saying, you meditate on it, so you've found that to be really useful to almost as another tool to cement that visualization.

Jane Tara:

Yes. Look, there's so much to that. Um, because meditation has completely and utterly changed my life and really vision boards is I don't need to ever do another vision board. It's the meditation that, that has changed my life. But I love to do all of these things, so, and weave them into my, my week. Um, but the meditation for me, um, has done a couple of things. Firstly, as the journey that Tilda goes on, it gave me, um, the space to observe my inner programs and those inner programs that were getting in the way of me, um, being content, being happy, you know, getting what I deserve, what anyone deserves. Um, so I, when you meditate, there's a space between an event and your reaction, and in that space, you can recreate your life. So I can now, on a day where I'm tired, for example, and I've got my internal old internal programs coming up, I just don't react to things anymore. I give nothing the power, I don't disempower myself by listening to that and getting worked up about it and believing it. I just kind of, it doesn't, I, non-attachment, I, I just practice non-attachment with it. Um, that's really, that is where my life started to really change by changing the internal programs in my brain. But then once I became a more experienced meditator and was able to access a sort of space, I started to, at the end of my meditations, I can really visualize. How I want my life to look or how I want an experience to look, and I say experience. I, I'm not comfortable with public speaking. I never have been. It's always something that has really, and, and in fact, I've self-sabotage, so I wouldn't have to speak publicly a lot, but, uh, I'm quite comfortable with it now. I've had a, you know, yeah, I, I've just been out there talking about kda a lot for the last year and a half. But what I do is I will meditate beforehand, and in the last bit of the meditation, I always have, I, I can see the audience that I'm speaking to. I just really sort of sit in my heart and think, okay, how can I connect with them? And I imagine very, very clearly just having a really lovely event. Then I let it go and I walk in there way more comfortable and less anxious because I've actually already experienced it.

Tina:

I know what you mean with that. Yeah. I do a little bit of a thing where I, yeah, I actually try to think of all the bad things that could possibly happen at first. I know that sounds weird, but I get there in the end.'cause I,'cause I think to myself, um, well what could happen and, and like for example with public speaking, like you've said, like I used to have to do it, um, a lot for work. I still have to do it now in a more kind of stressful situation for work. But I think the thing that used to always, I realize now the thing that used to kind of scare me about it and make me so nervous about it was looking nervous. Like, I didn't want people to know that I was nervous, which is such a weird thing. Yes. And now I just say to myself,'cause I feel like I've done it so often, it's like, okay, well what's the worst that's gonna happen? Like, maybe your voice will shake a little bit, but you know, that it, it, that only just happens at the beginning or, or you forget your words. You know what, no one actually really minds just look at your sheet. Um, or you know, I just try and, uh, think of what could really go wrong and then Yes. Not really. What, what does that matter? And, and what will you do if it does happen? And, and in the end, like you kind of just think to yourself, well, it's not that, it's not that bad anyway. And so by the time I get to that point of walking out there, like you said, I feel like I've already lived it and I've experienced you're not,

Jane Tara:

you're not actually thinking of the negatives there. You're actually being your own cheerleader.

Tina:

Mm-hmm.

Jane Tara:

Those negatives are already there. Yeah. Programs.

Speaker 3:

Mm-hmm.

Jane Tara:

But you've got a really positive program going. But that doesn't matter.

Speaker 3:

Mm.

Jane Tara:

That's not right. But that's not correct. You'll be fine. And you've done this before and it's going to be okay. Get out there now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do that now. That's not what I

Tina:

used to do. Right? Yeah. Alright. But I wish I knew that, you know, as we, as we wish we, we knew. Yeah. You know, but that's how you get to this point, you know? Another celebrity story, I remember, um, Seinfeld, you know, everyone knows Seinfeld and they were around for quite a while, weren't they? Many, many years. And he, I saw another interview with him, um, you know, a few years ago and he was saying he didn't meditate when, when he was filming Seinfeld, but he does now. Yes. And he said he thought if he had known about meditation and the benefits of meditation whilst they were filming Seinfeld, that the show would've gone on for a lot longer than it did. But he. Just was sort of worn out. Creative fatigue as well. Yes. So he found extremely helpful with that. Um, so yeah, that's a, that I found that like a really interesting story that such a big prolific, uh, well-known, you know, institution as Seinfeld. Yes. And just saying he really thinks that. You know, the importance of meditation, that it could have still gone on had he known about it, it would've just,

Jane Tara:

I think meditation just has so many benefits and, um, you know, I've written a book about it. Basically, it's, and some people don't like that because they don't want to meditate, they never will. And that's fine, that's fine. But if I can introduce it to a, a few more people mm-hmm. Uh, because it really does help physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, uh, it has a ripple effect in your community, in your family. Um, the benefits, the neurobiological benefits of regular meditation, it really literally changes your brain. Mm-hmm. It's a, it's a science, isn't it?

Speaker 3:

Mm-hmm.

Tina:

Yeah. Um, and it's not just sitting, you don't have to just be sitting in one spot. No. Making, you know, humming noises to yourself like some people said to do? No, actually, the meditation

Jane Tara:

style that I've settled on, uh, because I've tried that, I've tried the humming noises and I've tried the sitting in uncomfortable lotus like positions and not being able to walk for an hour when you get up and all of those things. I've done this 10 day silent retreat and I wrote about that in Tilda, and that was, um, a version of hell, uh, very beneficial, but really tough. Um, but I've settled on a, a style that's really fun. Mm-hmm. It's really, really fun and it is guided, uh, and there's a, and it's, uh, there are a lot of different meditations to choose from. So if I had to sit, well, I used to sit every day and do the same one, the same style for a long time and it was a drag for me. I like, I like shake things up a bit. I did it because it was beneficial.

Speaker 3:

Mm-hmm. But I

Jane Tara:

used to make so many excuses before sitting down and doing it. Whereas now, like I'll, you know, I'll meditate twice if I've got time. Wow. It's fun. But there are also, um, walking meditations.

Speaker 3:

Mm.

Jane Tara:

At this, in this style and in, in most traditions there are walking meditations. So for people who wanna, you know, put their headphones on and be at a beautiful park or a beach and do the walking meditation, it's just as beneficial as sitting.

Tina:

That's good. That's really interesting to know, because I would love to do that. And you know, so my thing is, I don't meditate Jane, but I know that I should, and I know that I need to, and occasionally I do. And I have done it in times of, um. You know, when I've known that, you know, I don't know what else is gonna give. Something has to happen. And so I, I have the Headspace app on my phone and, um, that's really good for like, um, I've had it for years and sometimes I don't touch it for a year. Then sometimes they'll have like a really quick, um, meditation or they have them for, for everything. Or even, I've got yoga and music and everything now on there. It is a really good app to have. Um, and so I've put that out occasionally, but I, my thing is I say I don't have the time and I know you've, you've, I've heard you say a bit of a,

Jane Tara:

what's that saying? Yeah, well, you know, if you're, uh, yeah. Everyone should meditate for an hour a day, unless you're really busy and then you should meditate for two. Yeah. It's a Zen saying. It's actually very true. Mm-hmm. I, and look, this is it's human condition. I do it myself. I'm really busy. I don't have time to meditate, but. If I meditate, if I take that time out, I get way more done.

Speaker 3:

Mm-hmm.

Jane Tara:

Yeah.

Tina:

So it, it's, it evens itself out in the end. Yes. More so probably. But like you were saying, there's walking, um, can you do it while you're doing your yoga in

Jane Tara:

your, I think that's mindful mindfulness practice more mindfulness. Yeah. Yeah. And um, and I think the more you meditate, the more mindful you are in your practices. But, uh, they are two separate things. So people will say to me, I meditate when I'm swimming.

Tina:

Ah. And

Jane Tara:

it's not meditation, not quite, it can be a mindful practice. Mm-hmm. But it's not meditation.

Speaker 3:

Mm.

Jane Tara:

I see. Yes.

Tina:

Which mindfulness is still beneficial if Absolutely. If you have to do anything. Yeah. Okay. That's interesting. Uh, so Jane, uh, for the listeners who've listened today and think, you know, I'm gonna. You know, visualize, and I'd love to learn more about meditation. Do you have any, um, suggestions for how people can find a little bit more information about this? Because I feel like there's a thousand podcasts and apps and things for these things. There are, and

Jane Tara:

I, I think with something like meditation, people find their own way into it. There are so many, um, different practices out there and different styles. So, uh, I would say find what resonates with you. Even just go onto YouTube and do 10 minute meditation and bring up something and you like the music, or you like the voice of a person and just start there. Um, with visualization and, uh, and vision boarding. I'm actually, um, on Substack, I'm going to do a short course, just a, a three day course on it because, uh, a few people have. Talk to me about it. And because I've started talking, I've come outta the brew closet. Mm-hmm. Um, started talking about it publicly, but, um, and I'm calling it chair flying because I've gone down the rabbit hole of watching, uh, the Blue Angels. It's an elite team of pilots in the US Navy pilots who fly, uh, they do air shows and stuff, but one mistake. Mm-hmm. And everyone would die. They fly within 19 inches of each other in these byta jets. And they, yeah. But if you go onto YouTube, Instagram, whatever, and look them up.

Speaker 3:

Yeah. You can

Jane Tara:

see in their training that they sit together as a team and they visualize the trip first. Mm. Yes. They visualize the whole thing first. Now, I, I'm dating a Qantas captain. Mm-hmm. Qantas gets them. To visualize as well. They do chair flying as well. Elite athletes do it. Yeah, do it. Yes. You know, there are a lot of highly successful people who visualize an event and experience before it actually happens. Mm-hmm. And so that's, I'm, I'm going to do a, a three day or on that because it's, um, I mean the research is there. Yeah. It, it, it works with the brain. The brain actually does not know, literally does not know if an experience is actually happening, if you are imagining it at that level. Wow. So it thinks, it thinks that it's actually happening. So you train the brain. Then the experience has already happened in your life.

Tina:

That's incredible. So this is, you will advertise this for your sub substack.

Jane Tara:

Yes. So on substack people, um, can come on and I, I often do, um, 10 day, 10 minutes a day meditation challenges and little things like that on Substack. I'm more woo on Substack. I love that. It's

Tina:

your little woo

Jane Tara:

woo platform.

Tina:

Oh, Jane, that's all been incredible. Can we give our listeners some homework? Can we get them to, um, go away and, uh, have a look at your substack anyway, uh, for, for all the Woo, um, and create a little bit of a vision board or a list or, or however, create

Jane Tara:

a vision board or even sit down. And particularly writers, particularly authors, sit and write. Have it. Just take a few moments and then write your perfect day, your ideal day. Mm-hmm. You know, write a page or two on it, see what comes out. You might surprise yourself actually at, um, at, at what that entails as well. Um, not the big, you know, your, the premier in your, in your mansion with your 17 bedrooms. And yeah, just, just, and taste the coffee. Feel the floor. See where are you sitting? What are you, you know, how are you enjoying, how are you savoring your life because you're not in that survival mode. Ride your perfect days. See what that is. And honestly, reach out like to both of us and let's, um, let's, let's people, you know, what the come up with like for people. Yeah,

Tina:

absolutely. Yes, definitely. We wanna know about that. And then I, and then I guess, but then also maybe take one step in that direction

Jane Tara:

once you know what you want. Yeah. Start to actively go towards that. It's like, it, it's, it's like, um, you know, archery. Mm-hmm. You know, you, you've gotta see the bullseye, you've gotta work it all out. You've gotta do the training, you've gotta, you know, and then you let that arrow go towards the, but you don't just, you know, shoot anywhere. You've gotta work out what that bullseye looks like for you. Mm-hmm. And then you start to go in that direction.

Tina:

I love that. And then, and then in May, 2026, we will regather and we would want to hear everybody's, everybody who's gone away and visualize. We want, we, we'll get you on the show and, um, you can tell us how that's gone for you. We wanna hear about how it's worked for you. Okay. I'm going to do that, Jane. I'm gonna go away and do that right now. Um, Jane, thank you so much for coming on the podcast. It has been so incredible chatting with you. Um, I've really enjoyed this. I think listen, are gonna get so much out of this. It's, you know, sometimes when you know that you're, you're doing everything that you can and you maybe feel like you are not really getting anywhere or going in that direction. Sometimes this is exactly what you need. That something a little bit diff different or maybe something you haven't tried before. But certainly everyone, whether you are. Big on the woo woo or not having, there's nothing wooo about, just no, trying to think about where you wanna go and take the next step in the right direction,

Jane Tara:

being very clear about what you want. And I, I cannot tell you how many bestselling authors I've spoken to, kind of just one-on-one privately who, um, who use these techniques. Mm-hmm.

Tina:

Yeah, I bet, I bet. More than we would ever imagine. I, I

Jane Tara:

imagine,

Tina:

uh, Jane, you

Jane Tara:

know, thank you. I love talking about this, so thank you for having me on and, um, allowing me to You're not a problem at all. Our pleasure. Thanks, Jane.

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