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I just go back and"},{"speaker":"everyone does","startTime":1897.69,"endTime":1901.319,"body":"then I say, \"What was your"},{"speaker":"everyone does","startTime":1897.69,"endTime":1901.319,"body":"vision back then? Is this"},{"speaker":"everyone does","startTime":1901.389,"endTime":1905.645,"body":"decision going to change that?"},{"speaker":"everyone does","startTime":1901.389,"endTime":1905.645,"body":"In which direction?\" This part"},{"speaker":"everyone does","startTime":1905.715,"endTime":1909.483,"body":"of Hyung Heon's leadership"},{"speaker":"everyone does","startTime":1905.715,"endTime":1909.483,"body":"journey reminds me that the"},{"speaker":"everyone does","startTime":1909.553,"endTime":1913.53,"body":"power of innovation extends"},{"speaker":"everyone does","startTime":1909.553,"endTime":1913.53,"body":"beyond the realm of scientist"},{"speaker":"everyone does","startTime":1913.6,"endTime":1917.717,"body":"founders, and can potentially"},{"speaker":"everyone does","startTime":1913.6,"endTime":1917.717,"body":"become the basis for bringing"},{"speaker":"everyone does","startTime":1917.787,"endTime":1920.16,"body":"new therapies to patients in need."},{"speaker":"everyone does","startTime":1920.16,"endTime":1926.8,"body":"I'm John Simboli. 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