Vet Life with Dr. Cliff

Shades of Hope Episode

Dr. Cliff Redford

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Dr. Cliff Redford (00:10)

Hey there everyone, welcome back to VetLife with me, Dr. Cliff. And happy new year everybody, it is January 2nd right now. I am driving back from Shades of Hope. When was the last time I did a Shades of Hope episode? It's been a while, right? Partially because I just had other things to talk about, though I should have done it more often. I think the couple of them that I've done, the two of them that I've done have been...


some of the most popular, probably in the top four as far as most popular episodes. So you guys obviously like hearing about wildlife and the stuff that I do there. The other reason I hadn't done one though is I have not been volunteering there for, well, the entire month of December. Maybe I did the first Thursday in December, I can't remember, but basically the last time I was there, let's call it five weeks ago, I think it was approximately five weeks ago.


I was burnt out. was, when I messaged them afterwards, I said, guys, I'm sorry, I've been tired. You know, I barely dragged my butt through that shift and I need to take some time off, I'm burnt out. And you know, if it's possible, can I take the month off? And of course they were super supportive and they said, first of all, Kate said, yeah, you looked a wreck. You were a...


are a total wreck. She probably said some profanities because she's an Aussie and they like to say some pretty awesome swear words. Does any culture swear as good as Australians? Maybe Italians? They might. The Greeks are pretty good at swearing. But anyways.


Yeah, I was burnt out and I'm to do an episode I think later. I found this great article about the signs of burnout. And for me it was mostly physical. I was just exhausted. think I had taken three coffees and I still wasn't staying awake. And the reality was I'd been working long hours and when I wasn't working I was basically being a good Suzy homemaker.


My wife, my lovely wife Vassa, as you guys know, had opened up her spin studio. It had maybe been a week, week and a half. And she ended up the first 14 days, she worked every single day. She probably worked about 70 hours a week. So I was taking care of the dogs and I was cleaning up the house and doing the laundry and making food for everybody and then working these long hours. And then I had some, as I've talked about before, I've had some...


some bad news regarding the book. So there's just a lot of stuff that was dragging me down. I wasn't sleeping well, which is the first time in, geez, probably 40 years since that's happened. I've always been a really good sleeper. And I just, yeah, I was just burnt out. It was just a tough time. So I took a month off, and that's important, right? And hopefully if you guys, I mean, I did take a full month off in the sense of...


I still went to the clinic and still worked the six days there, but it was normal hours and I had a lot more time off. And basically I used it to write. I used it to sleep in and to help out around the house again and do those chores, but also to write. So let's actually, it's on my list for the end to talk about, but I'll talk about it now. I am done my book.


And I'm done in the sense of I'm done draft one. So it was 100,000 words and it is called Wild Life. That's the title, Wild Life. It's kind of a play on words because it's also wildlife. Wild Life, The Adventures of a Worldwide Vet. And it's a memoir. It's about, it takes place over the span of six years and where I start with my trip to Jamaica, volunteering and.


filming B-roll footage for my future television show, Dreams, which obviously have not come to fruition yet. And then it goes on and talks about my adventures in Greece and in Egypt and in Panama and in India the first time, not the second time. And it ends with my second trip to Ukraine, which was a big...


moment for me and over those five or six years, know, there was the divorce and he sort of being on my own for a while and pursuing this, as I said, television show dream and some pretty amazing things happened. So I started writing and I've had some publishers look at it as you know, no one has really picked it up, but there is one publisher out of the UK that is still expressing interest, but she basically said,


You got your foot in the door. I'll put your book on the top of the pile. I'm really interested. I sort of know through some other authors. I was introduced to her. Some very successful authors with this publishing company. So they're gonna give me a real sort of good look. But she basically said, I'm not looking at anything until you're done. So yesterday, January 1st, I typed my last word, the end.


closed the book, figuratively speaking, and it came out to 100,600 words, which is way too much. So now I have to edit it down to between 80 and 90,000 words, probably closer to 80,000, but if it's a solid 90,000, that's fine too. And I need to work on the punctuation and whatnot. And then...


I need to reach out to a handful of people and get some people to read it. And what I need to do is I need to find people that like me enough to read it, but don't like me so much that they won't tell me it's crap. If it's crap, I need honest criticism. I know the book isn't garbage, but there's gonna be sections that stink a little bit like garbage. And I need people to be able to honestly say,


I don't really like what you said here or I don't understand this page or this story is boring. You may find it interesting, but me as a reader, I found it boring. So that's what I need. So if you're interested, hit me up. But recognize it's gonna be about 250 pages that you're gonna have to read and it can't take you forever. So I'm gonna ask people to finish it within a month and give me some notes here and there.


That's where we are. So that's pretty exciting about that. I felt very, very accomplished. It should have been done a long time ago, but I kept getting distracted. And then this whole thing with me being turned down by the big publisher here in Canada.


is one where I talked about where they went on and on and on about how much they loved what I was talking about and the stuff that I did. But they're going to pass. So really the only major opportunity I have right now, air quotes real opportunity that I have is with this UK publishing company and she's not going to look at squat until I'm finished.


I do well with deadlines. So that was one of reasons why I took some time off at Shades of


They were great. They had Dr. Wendy working as well. It's a quiet time of year. And then they have, there's this husband and wife veterinarian couple that comes down from Australia that are friends of some animal rescuers. So they come down for Christmas time into Canada. I guess they got family here, maybe two. And they have wildlife experience. So I think one of the gentleman's name is Glenn. I don't know what his wife's name is.


But they have a wildlife experience so they could always jump in as well.


But it is really good to be back at Shades of Hope. I'm only gonna be here for a couple of weeks, because then we go to a Cal-O-It. Emily and Brandon, my daughter and one of my sons and myself, and Arthur, the technician from Wellington, one of the techs from Wellington. We're all going back up north to a Cal-O-It to volunteer there. They have a vet clinic, but no veterinarian. So this city.


It's only 20,000 people at most, but it's the capital of the territory of Nunavut, so it is considered a city. The city of Iqaluit has not had a veterinarian there properly in four or five years. And it's not just sled dogs. In fact, it's going to be mostly pets, Yorkies and corgis and cats and et cetera, et cetera. And we're going to be doing spays and neuters and vaccines dealing with, there's already some sort of urgent.


emergencies that we're going to be dealing with, an exploratory surgery regarding a likely tumor and then an eye removal surgery regarding an animal that has glaucoma. There's a cat that has been diagnosed with cancer and is being flown once a week down to Ottawa to receive chemotherapy. And so we're actually going to pick up that chemotherapy, bring it up with us and get at least two of those treatments done in a callowit so the family can save the money and the hassle.


The cat isn't stressed to have to keep flying back and forth. So that's going to be great. And we're putting on a rabies clinic, a rabies and vaccine clinic for the local community, the Inuit community specifically. They're much more impoverished. They have a lot more socioeconomic challenges because the non-Inuits that are up there are up there because of work. know, they're working for the mining company or the banks or the government schools, that sort of thing. And they get paid really well.


but some of the locals are struggling and don't have a vehicle to bring their pets to the animal shelter, the vet clinic that we're going to be working out of, nor do they have the money because this is a regular vet clinic that charges. So we're putting on a rabies vaccine clinic, which is fantastic. We'll probably vaccinate about a hundred animals. Now, if you want, this is my shameless plug. If you guys would like to assist us,


because it's going to be tough for that shelter to afford some of the medications and some of these vaccines. So we are raising funds for them. Please check out my GoFundMe page, GoFundMe.com slash Arctic Vets. And Iqaluit is in the Canadian Arctic. It's in the Arctic North. It is north of the Northern Lights. So the Northern Lights are south of this community.


and it is just a couple hours of daylight and then the rest night time because it is winter time and then it's flipped in the summer but I've never gone in the summer and we went this time last year and although it was very cold it was around some nights it hit minus 40 so 48 degrees Celsius below zero.


It was beautiful. It was like a whole different planet. I tell people it reminds me of Empire Strikes Back, possibly the greatest sequel of all movies. Maybe Godfather 2, it's probably a tie, but those two are definitely one and two or two and one in my books and in most people's books. So it was like that ice planet, Hoth, I think it was, where that Tauntaun...


Luke has to slice his belly open. it Luke or is it... No, Han Solo slices his belly open and shoves Luke inside it? I think that's not worked out. I'll have to watch that one again. Spoiler alert, that's the one where we find out who Darth Vader is compared to... in reference to Luke. Apparently he is his father. Is it that one? Yes, it is.


So we're going up to Ocala. So I'm only going to be doing Shades of Hope for a couple of weeks. Then I've got three weeks off and then back to Shades of Hope. And that's when the crazy season.


said puppies and kittens that's not right all the little babies the neonates the eyes closed squirrels and bunnies and whatnot


Yeah, so a lot of trauma cases from hit by cars and stuff like that. It's mating season and these wild animals, they like to get their freak on so they're not paying attention and they get hit by cars and they're, the males are chasing the females across the street and they forget to look both ways because they're distracted. They're thinking about other things. So today at Shades of Hope was fantastic. When I first got there,


You know, I checked the sheet and the first thing we started talking about was this barred owl. And the barred owl was at another rescue, was brought to Shades of Hope for me to assess. And this barred owl had a fractured humerus bone. So the, not the funny bone. Though it is kind of attached to the funny bone, which is the point of the elbow. The humerus bone is between the elbow and the shoulder, same for us. And it is...


was fractured. Now the problem with this was it was fractured very close to the elbow and it'll be hard for me to explain but if it was close to the shoulder we would have a much better success of pinning it when it's only one centimeter away from the elbow joint. The pin that we that we place into that bone that exits from the shoulder. Hopefully you guys are getting your 3D placement to your geometry right.


there's not a lot of space for that pin to hold on to because it's only in just the tip. Just the tip is in the humorous bone. But so we kind of talked about that and then all right, we'll look at them in a second. But that was already nice to review it with Dr. JJ and with Lola. And then it was pigeon day. We did, there were four pigeons with string foot. So pieces of hair.


or string that are wrapped around the digits and the fingers essentially and it cuts off circulation. And the first one unfortunately we had to euthanize it was gonna be missing more than half of its digits on both sides.


some bumblefoot that was forming which is a bacterial infection that causes this chunky thick scar tissue flesh.


big problem with perching birds which they sort of are. Pigeons are heavy-body birds. They put a lot of weight on their feet and they spend a lot of time on the ground walking around.


so they're not floating around in the water like say a goose does. And these are things we need to kind of take into consideration. So the first one was unfortunately a humane euthanasia. The next two we actually didn't need to fix. One was just fine, he was kind of healing on his own. And the other, I literally just pulled and the digit came off and realized there was no real tissue that needed to be closed. It had kind of healed underneath.


the wound on its own, that was kind of interesting, kind of anti-climactic. But the last one, I did a typical digit to amputation, and this little bird should do very, well. So I felt like they were easing me in slowly. And then, unplanned, not on the list, because this animal was a fresh intake, it literally, well, it didn't walk in, well, it didn't fly in either, I guess it was walked.


was carried in a box was one of my favorites, a screech owl. And the screech owl, they are so small. are, geez, they're probably, I'm trying to think of a size. Not much bigger than your open hand, you know, even if you don't stretch your hand out fully. They're like the size of a large bun that you might eat.


not like a 12 inch subway. And the thing I love about screech owls is the way their feathers are shaped, the way their beak is sort of pointy, isn't the right word? They're all pointy. It's like short and the way it's turning down and then the shape of their eyes, they all look like they're pissed off. They all look like an old grumpy man. Now this guy looked like an old grumpy man with a squinty left eye.


And sure enough, I confirmed that he did have some cloudiness and inflammation and a tiny bit of blood in his aqueous chamber, which is the, if you think of the eye like a water balloon with a lens floating in the center of it, I know this isn't 100 % correct, not even close, in front of that lens, that water is called the anterior chamber or that area, because it's anterior, it's in the frontal.


as posterior is behind. I guess you could call it the other one the posterior chamber but they call it the aqueous chamber, they meaning ophthalmologists. And I'm gonna say maybe they call it that because the lens isn't actually in the middle it's much more forward, it's much more anterior in this spherical water balloon of an eye. So the majority of the vitreous, maybe it's the vitreous chamber, shoot.


Aqueous chamber, vitreous chamber, maybe the whole thing is aqueous chamber and the rear is vitreous chamber. I'm going to have to check that out. Darn it. I used to know these things. I should know these things. Anyways, the chamber in the back of the eye has much more fluid in it. So maybe that's why they don't call it posterior and they focus on the chamber as well. Now, so this guy had clearly had head trauma and he'd banged up his eye. So the next thing to do is to radiograph him.


and which we did and he had a fractured ulna, which is part of the forearm. If you were to compare it with us, it's the larger of the two bones in the forearm, whereas in mammals, I think it's a little bit smaller. But he had a fractured ulna, but the radius had not broken. So the radius was acting like a splint and it sort of allowed the ulna.


prevented the ulna from really displacing. So the fractures were there, there might have been a five degree change in the direction or the angle of the ulna. Now it was a complicated fracture, it was compounded, it was like two fractures and that little middle piece had tilted a little bit. But there wasn't anything we could do and it seemed like it was stable right now. And the other place that was broken was the metacarpal.


which is like the back of our hand kind of thing. So between the wrist, the wrist is the carapace. So just in front of the wrist, it's called a metacarpal. But that too was a displaced, so we're giving them some time to see how the little guy does. Other than that, and then the Beto, that Beto owl from the beginning came back. Like now it was NPO'd, nothing per oss, it was without food for a period of time, and we sedated it.


and we radiographed it. Just to confirm, because before we radiographed it, when I examined it, I noted that the fractured bone closest to the elbow, so on the distal, or the end of the bone away from the fracture, the fracture's sort of the point of reference, so that little one centimeter was sticking out, so it was an open fracture. And it had been sticking out for a while, I know that because


was clearly dead. It was dried, desiccated, and had this weird sort of gray appearance to it instead of a pale but bright white. So if we were going to try and do surgery, we have to trim away a lot of that bone, let's say half a millimeter or half a centimeter, which if you're paying attention was half of what we had. So there's no way we're going to be able to fix this guy. So we unfortunately had to.


help him towards the beautiful Rainbow Bridge. But we were glad that we least able to help him out. We saw this beautiful fox. Now this fox is a female. She's young. She's less than a year old. She's probably eight months, let's say. And she too had presumably been hit by a car. She was also mangy. She was super thin.


radiographs, we unfortunately found two of the tail vertebrae, including the first one, had been crushed. So neurologically, I had some concerns about the function of the tail, which they need to be able to properly move and wrap around themselves when they're cold at night. I'm sure there's some communication purposes of the tail as well. But the pelvis was broken and one of the femur bones, the head of the femur, which sits in the hip socket was broken off.


kind of floating around. So we had a broken leg, very serious broken leg and a broken pelvis. And I did a digital rectal exam with a glove on, of course, I'm not gross. And I was able to feel what's called the crepitus, which is like the crunching of the bone. And the pelvic canal was narrowed. Now, why is that important? If you guys were paying attention, you would remember that this is a femur. And having a narrow...


narrow pelvic canal makes what a problem. Think about it. It makes a problem for future births in that the birthing canal will have been compressed and is probably currently being pinched and is narrowed and then you get a puppy or kit, in their case, a baby fox. When they're stuck it's called dystocium.


dystocia. I'm sure it is Greek. It's dy-s as a Greek prefix. Is that a prefix? Because it comes in front. A Greek prefix meaning dis. Dy-s meaning really screwed up. That is my words, of course, Webster's dictionary. Really f-ed up. Displasia of the hips.


Ecclesia I think means either function or development.


dysuria as if they're having trouble urinating, you know, can go on and on and on. So, isn't learning a new language fun? So, this fox would have had dystocia. So, even if the hip wasn't an issue, sorry, even if the femur was an issue and the tail was an issue, we got this big problem with the future birthing issue. Now, you may ask, why don't you just spare? And I could do that, but it would not be...


Arguably, it would not be ethical. There are three things that we look for, and some of these are rules by the Ministry of Natural Resources, which governs wildlife rescuers and sort of makes determinations regarding releaseability. Now they can monitor obviously every single animal, even just from shades of hope, let alone all these other wonderful rescues around the province of Ontario.


MNR is primarily a provincial, I believe. Is it provincial? I think it's provincial. So they have like three, let's call them rules for releasing wild animals. And some of you guys, if you've attended my, I do a talk at the University of Guelph for future best students called Discovery Med School.


They always ask me to talk about wildlife and the work that I do mostly because I think most because I have some really cool videos and stories and photos Maybe one day they'll buy my book And so if you've attended this you've heard this but let's see if we can think about it So course first you want the animal to be able to live a life relatively pain-free without medication obviously and I say relatively because


I don't know who said it, it was from a movie, but life is pain and anyone who tells you different is trying to sell you something.


King from Labyrinth played by the wonderfully made rest in peace, David Bowie said, life is not fair and if anyone tells you differently, it's selling you something. But there's another one where life is pain. And it's kind of true, life is pain as far as challenges and overcoming those challenges, et cetera, et cetera. But there is, all of us have some level of pain or at least most of us do. I have various injuries and I'm not on pain medication but I'm


loving life, I'm thriving, I'm not just coping. So an animal needs to be able to thrive. A little bit of pain is okay, but not a lot of pain. Now, arguably, once this animal healed, this fox healed, her level of pain would be pretty minimal, assuming she didn't have those other issues. We're just talking about the pelvis right now. The other thing is animals need to be able to have sort of normal movement in the sense of


If they're a hunter, they need to be able to hunt and movement regarding behavior and regarding food. So if they're a hunter, they need to be able to hunt. If they're migratory bird, they need to migrate. There are exceptions, certain species, you know, there are Canadian geese that do not migrate because they've found little inlets of water that don't freeze and they're fed off of the kindness of others, kindness of humans.


In general, if it is a migratory bird, has to able to migrate. If it's a prey animal, it has to be able to get away, reasonably get away from its predator. So there has to be that normal type of movement. And then the last thing, and this is where the ethics come in, and you may not agree, but I think you can understand why the Ministry of Natural Resources at least feels this way. And it's okay to not agree with someone if you can at least comprehend where they're coming from.


It's not coming out of left field. And so they believe that an animal has to be able to procreate, which I kind of get. They're part of the ecosystem, and the ecosystem is a large system. there's life and there's death and there's hunting and there's prey and there's eating food.


And part of that life of death, the circle of life, know, Mufasa is telling Simba about the circle of life. Well, Simba is his offspring. Mufasa got it on with Nala. Is it Nala? No, Nala is the young one. Mufasa got it on with Mrs. Mufasa. And so the circle of life is there. And part of that is procreation, at least in the wild. That is that's an important.


thing of the ecosystem. And you can argue one, I think the argument would be, well, it's one fox. What's the big deal? Yeah, that's a fair argument. But Ministry of Natural Resources make up the rules and we follow them. And sure, I could have spayed her if that was their only problem. And no one would have been the wiser unless I posted on the Instagram, which I do tend to post things often. But I wouldn't post that. But I don't do that.


You know, if it's a reasonable rule, I'm going to follow it. The last thing I want to do is somehow jeopardize Shades of Hope's license. What they do is too incredible, too risk. So we ended up having to say goodbye to that little fox as well. Rinaldi has a shit so many problems. it was a tough.


Now am saving the best for last. And we did a whole bunch of other animals as well, but the best for last was this red-tailed hawk. far, one of, by far probably my favorite bird, maybe the peregrine falcon is my favorite as well. But the red-tailed hawk has a special place in my heart because it was the first successful bird that I fixed. It had a broken.


broken, not this one, it had a broken humorous bone. And you know, the story is when I started volunteering at Shades of Hope, I had no wildlife experience at all. And I was only planning to go for six months and I ended up sticking around for six plus years because I enjoyed it. I've learned a lot. It's a nice sort of break and it sort of, it rejuvenated the love. Rejuvenate is not the right word.


it expanded the love, the appreciation I have for this career in that it reminded me of being a child when I was so fascinated and still am fascinated, but I was so fascinated by wild animals and birds of prey and deer and wolves and obviously no tigers or lions where we are, my, but these just these amazing creatures and, but I had no orthopedic experience, not even with cats and dogs.


And the team at Shades of Hope said, well, you're going to need to learn because we see a lot of birds, especially with broken bones. And so here's a book and check out some YouTube videos. And here's some videos or here's some x-rays that Dr. Lawrence or Dr. Sherry, who are my predecessors, here's some that they've done on similar surgeries. And I was able to work out the anatomy and I understood.


the concepts and the principles of orthopedic surgery repair, about how close to the joints you could go, and if you have to do externals and that, like external fixators and all these different things. And the first animal that came to you was an owl, and I believe the owl had a, I think the first three all had broken humerus bones.


And the owl unfortunately died. Well first of all, this owl came and I was like, look, I've been reading this that, but I still don't know what I'm doing. And they said, Cliff, we're gonna euthanize this. You're our only hope. Save us, Obi-Wan Kenobi. Save us, Dr. Cliff Redford. You're our only hope. There's another Star Wars reference. And they said, you're our only hope. We're gonna euthanize this bird if you can't save it. So you might as well try.


And that's fair. That's more than fair. That's wise, right? Now, this guy did not make it. That was not my fault. He did not make it. He died before I even laid my hands on him. The anesthesia got him. It's a big problem with birds of prey and with wildlife in general, especially the birds, different types of birds. Now, what do you do when you're trying to learn broken bone repair and the patient dies? You do it anyways. So I pinned


that bird's humerus bone took an X-ray of the bird after it died, saw that the pinning went well. I even stitched it up like I did everything and went on to my next one. A couple of weeks later, another one comes in, humerus bone. Now this time it survived the surgery and I was able to pin it, but unfortunately it died afterwards. Also the anesthesia was sort of the big culprit.


Now I X-rayed it and it looked good. I also started doing surgeries on cadavers. We would have animals come in and maybe they died on impact. Well, that didn't really happen. But you'd have ones that were euthanized. And then I would actually, after they were euthanized for whatever reason, maybe one wing was completely schmuckered, I would break the other wing.


I would break the other bone and practice. And this is how humans have done it, veterinarians and not so cool doctors like MDs have done it for, I don't know, centuries, is they've done things with cadavers and sort of practice in different ways, right? So that's what we ended up doing. And now the third one.


was a red tail talk, also with a humorous injury, humorous bone injury, not a funny injury. I'm gonna do that joke over and over again, I'm sorry, to me it's funny. To me it's humorous. Now this one survived, and it survived the surgery, it survived anesthesia, and it survived long enough that it gained all of its strength, and six months later, sorry, six weeks later, I was able to release it.


I have a video, maybe I'll post that again on Instagram, like repost it, but I have a video of that. It was such a wonderful time in my career. And since then, surgical repairs, broken bone repairs, like orthopedic repairs and burns have become pretty easy for me.


I can look at x-rays and know the technique right away. I can look at x-rays and say, this isn't gonna work. Or I can look at x-rays and say, I think we can do this. These are gonna be the complications. Let's at least go in and take a look and see if there's something else going on. And I've even graduated to mammalian, to mammal orthopedic repairs of the pretty simple kind.


But it's been a great learning opportunity. So that's what was going on with this bird. Now this was a femur break, the thigh bone, but it was a similar technique. You make a lateral skin incision, blunt dissect through the muscle so as not to cause too much muscle damage and have no bleeding essentially, which was pretty fantastic. Place the pin, push it up through the hip and then


put the two bones together and extend the pin back down towards the knee. Now shout out to my buddy Leo, future veterinarian who's been volunteering at my clinic two or three days a week for the last three months. And prior to that, he was at Shades of Hope. Well, he was at Shades of Hope today. His school starts again in a week. And he got to assist and he actually got to advance the pin. And I wasn't doing it just so he could get some experience, but that was part of it.


I like to see when people go, well, that was really cool. It is cool, and that's exactly what I said to him. Yeah, this is cool. But it helped. needed, sometimes I could have figured it out, but it made the surgery a little bit faster, having him, you know, an extra pair of hands, basically. And I did it at a point in the surgery where we did not have to worry about sterility, at least for the part, the things he was touching. And it was a perfect placement.


Kudos to you, Leo. You fed it through with my help into the second part of the femur and you just slowly advanced. We had measured on the x-ray how far this pin had to go so it came close to but did not come in contact with the knee joint. And you did it all in one shot. You kind of felt where it was starting to get a little bit.


sticky or there is some resistance is a much better term. I was like let's just stop, we'll take an x-ray, we can always advance it without having to open up again. It was a perfect pin placement and this bird is going to do really, really well because that's only injuries that it has.


That was the day. was fantastic and it was great seeing Lola and JJ and my good friend Kate is back home in Australia for like a good month. She was there for I think Christmas and New Year's, definitely for New Year's. And she's obviously visiting her daughter and her grandson and soaking up the rays because it's summertime there right now. I think it's really hot there right now. But she's


She's an Aussie through and through, so I'm sure she can handle the heat. And you just jump in the water. Go check out Bondi Beach. So that is it. Thanks for listening, guys. Some exciting stuff with the book. We talked about a Callowit. Again, please check out that GoFundMe page, GoFundMe.com slash Arctic Pets. we're gonna actually, what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna bring up this little portable mic that I'm using right now.


and we're gonna do a whole bunch of episodes. Might even do one a day when we're in a callowat with Arthur and with Emily and with Brandon and maybe some of the other people we work with. This is gonna be a fun time, so I'm really, really looking forward to it and it's good to get back. I really appreciate you guys. Be sure to tell your friends, share this podcast, give me five stars, give me a little constructive criticism, but please keep that constructive criticism by email.


or by Instagram message. Don't do it unless you give me five stars. If you give me constructive criticism and give me less than five stars, it screws up my algorithm. And I'm here to stay. I'm going to keep doing these things once a week at least for a long, time. So let's slowly try and grow this podcast. So you guys know what I have to end with this with. Be kind to animals and be kind to each other and to yourself. And if you're feeling burnt out, ask for help.


take a bit of time off and recoup. It did me wonders and I appreciate my friends at Shades of Hope so much. I love you guys, thank you for supporting me and being patient with me and we will see all of you guys soon. Cheers.