A FATHER'S TESTIMONY HELPS HIS SONS TO PART THE VEIL

Brian Hall has always felt a pull to help his ancestors and has involved his children in the process as well.  Brian and his wife began with teaching them how to index and other family history related activities. When Brian realized that he could pray to know who needs help on the other side of the veil, he decided to give it a try. After having his own thinning of the veil experience on behalf of an ancestor on the the other side of the veil, he knew he needed to teach his children to do the same. His two sons, Seth and Dallas had faith in what their father had experienced and they both wanted to receive revelation on behalf of an ancestor as their father had. Both boys had a revelatory experience and are now busily engaged in the work of the Gathering. Seth's temple worship has become more meaningful and Dallas, who's only eight, gives the names to his brother and Dad to do the work of their waiting ancestor. Serving in the temple has become a family affair on both sides of the veil.

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SPEAKER_00 0:12

Hello, friends. Welcome to the Thinning of the Vell podcast. I'm your host, Tia Smith. We are in for a treat today. Thank you for joining me because I have a friend. And I think how we met, Brian, is that through an email and also at Roots Tech, I just happened to be walking by and you're like, hey, hey, hey. And I'm like, this is awesome. And you began to tell me the story about your family and how they are involved in the Gathering of Israel. And most especially your two boys, Dallas and Seth, which I'm so excited to be here. So welcome, Hall Boys. You have some girls in your family, I'm sure. So, Brian, why don't you just tell us a little bit about yourself and your experience with the Gathering of Israel? Because what you do for work is a little bit unique.

SPEAKER_02 1:00

Yeah, I work for Family Search. I've been working there for six years, and um it's really wonderful. Um, but I was way interested in in family history before I started working for Family Search. So I've always um been involved in things like indexing and using ordinances ready to take names to the temple. Um when I was uh a much younger father, I would teach our children how to index. Uh of course we don't do it that way anymore, but they would sit with me and I would show them how to find the names and how to type them in. And that was actually one of our favorite uh Sunday activities was indexing. Um, and now I encourage our kids to do their own type of family history on Sundays. Um but about eight years ago, um I decided I wanted to uh have the goal of finding an ancestor that wasn't in the tree yet. So a lot of the work that was in my tree has been done. And um I had never actually found an ancestor who was missing yet, and it took me many months to finally find a part of my tree where I actually could find an ancestor that wasn't in uh in the tree yet. And that kind of started my journey into making me believe that I could actually make a difference and find people who've been waiting for a long time and are hoping on the other side and inspiring through little promptings. Hey, you know, this is this is something this guy can do for us. And so um uh I found the Cattell family from England. I honestly don't remember how they're related to me, but I do know they're related. And I started um doing their work, and I showed my children how I was finding them, and um about six months ago, I found your channel on YouTube and saw over and over again on your videos that you invite people to pray for the name of an ancestor who is waiting to do have their work done. And I thought, here I was for the last eight years struggling to find people the old manual, old-fashioned way, uh, through just diving through records and looking over and over and over, trying to find someone when we could just pray and get it done that way. Honestly, I I feel that this is the best way to do family history now, because I've tried it and um after I found a name, oh, which which happened to be Ron Galloway, that was the name that I was given. At the exact same time, I happened to be listening to a Louis Lemour book because I'm a Louis Lemour fan and I love listening to his books, and the main character of the book was named Galloway. That was his first name, and I thought that was so strange that I would be given the name Ron Galloway while I was listening to this book, but I did find Ron Galloway, and Seth was baptized for him. This was back in November of last year, and um after I did that, I told my whole family about my experience, and then I invited them to do the same thing pray for a name and uh ask Heavenly Father to provide the name of an ancestor who wanted their work done. And so Seth decided to try, and Dallas decided to try. One of my daughters decided to try, but she never found the person. So we're still helping her. My wife has also been doing this, but she has also not found the person yet. But it did work uh for Dallas and Seth, and that's awesome. It's just been wonderful. Seth, how many times have you done it?

SPEAKER_04 5:39

Um, I have prayed multiple times, but I've only gotten one name so far.

SPEAKER_00 5:44

So, Seth, let me ask you a question. You're you've clearly are grown up in a household where family history is important, right? I mean, you've been bless your soul for indexing at such a young age sometimes. Sometimes that can be super, super frustrating. But I mean, you're how old are you right now?

SPEAKER_04 6:05

I'm 14.

SPEAKER_00 6:07

Okay, so you're 14 years old, 11. I mean, you're you're you're now able to go to the temple and you're having these activities where your mind is being and heart is being drawn to your ancestors. Then your dad has this experience um and telling and tells you that he received a name from someone on the other side of the L and he was related. How did that resonate with you? Like, how did you walk through that with him? Because some kids may say, like, Layman and Lemuel, you're crazy, dad. I don't, you know, you this doesn't make sense to me. How was your reaction to it?

SPEAKER_04 6:46

Um, I've always loved like listening to my grandpa's stories from their life when they were my age. And so I wanted to learn more about other people that were related to me. And I also love the feeling that I had when I was baptized, and I wanted everybody else to have that.

SPEAKER_00 7:13

So when your dad explained to you his experience about praying, did that just make sense to you? Like, because some kids may have heard this and and thought, well, I'm I'm not gonna do that, that's weird, or whatever. What did you feel about it? And what did you do um then next? Like, what were the steps that you took?

SPEAKER_04 7:37

Um, I just um started to look for um people on family search um at the beginning, and then that I felt that they wanted me specifically to be able to be baptized for them in the temple, and then I started praying about who God wanted me to bring to the temple to be baptized for.

SPEAKER_00 8:09

So you started identifying through. Tell me a little bit, because I don't want to put words in your mouth, tell me a little bit about your revelation process. How do you know that why are you being drawn to some people in family tree versus others? Tell me about that just a little bit.

SPEAKER_04 8:29

Um for some people I felt like a special connection, and I felt like the spirit was telling me that that's the first thing I needed to do um then. And then when I was praying, I um for a few days I prayed but hadn't gotten a name. But then I prayed one night, and then in the morning I got the name John Cutler, and so I wrote it down so that after school I could look for him.

SPEAKER_00 8:59

So it was kind of when you were waking up from sleep that it started happening to you. Maybe you felt that kind of name come to you.

SPEAKER_04 9:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:10

Okay. So, and because your dad had testified to you earlier about the process, you knew that when that name came, make sure you write it down because this is important.

SPEAKER_01 9:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:23

How did you feel all day at school? Were you anxious to like come home and look the name up to see if you're related, or how are you feeling?

SPEAKER_04 9:31

I was kind of anxious to go. Um, I was really excited.

SPEAKER_00 9:40

That's awesome. That's awesome. And tell me, my little friend Dallas, your brother has had this experience, your dad has had uh this experience, this kind of experience. Tell me where your testimony fits in with all of this.

SPEAKER_03 9:57

Um, I feel like sometimes I know that when we pray that God does answer our prayers, and he always does. Some answers come right then once you're done, some answers come later, and some answers come in heaven. And I know that he always answers our prayers, even though we feel like it won't happen, it will happen, and that we can be able to know that.

SPEAKER_00 10:40

And a little child shall lead them. So tell me about your experience then with uh receiving revelation on behalf of an ancestor.

SPEAKER_03 10:49

So um after I got in bed one night, I remembered that I was going to pray for a name, and so I prayed, and I laid back in bed after I was done praying, and I thought of things so I could maybe have the thought of the name, and then I remember that the name Harold Lee came into my mind, and I felt by the spirit that it didn't feel like a normal feeling and that it felt like it was from God. So the next morning I asked my dad to help me look for him, and we found him. And so since I wasn't old enough to go to the temple yet for ordinances, Seth went to the temple and got baptized for him.

SPEAKER_00 12:04

So were you related to was it Harold? Was that the name? Yeah, Harold Lee. You were related to him? I don't know, but I'm pretty sure I was.

SPEAKER_02 12:14

Yeah, he was related. Lee is actually one of our ancestors' names.

unknown 12:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:20

Wow. Okay, so I love that you said you received a name, but then you received a confirming witness from the spirit that this was an experience that you should pay attention to. You both are extraordinary in your ability to hear the spirit and to act. And the fact, um, Dallas, remind me how old you are again. Eight, turning nine this year. Eight. You've been baptized a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and have received the gift of the Holy Ghost. And this is part of your mission, both of your missions. You don't have to wait till you're 18 to go on a mission. You are already called right now to serve a mission on behalf and in behalf of those on the other side of the veil. And that's what I think is extraordinary is that we don't have to put off this waiting till you're a certain age to be a gatherer. You can at eight and you can at 14 and have these experiences. Tell me a little bit then, the two of you, what has this experience and continuing experiences done for your testimony and knowledge of Jesus Christ? How has that helped you and has it helped your desire to want to continue in your mission of gathering?

SPEAKER_03 13:49

Well, so um I like doing family search a lot, and I felt good when um when we we were ready to take Harold Lee to the temple to get baptized. And so I wanted like I knew that feeling was from the spirit and that I had done the right thing. So I started wanting to keep doing it so other people can also um live live with God again after the resurrection.

SPEAKER_00 14:33

So the plan of salvation has become more alive for you. You're very, very set on understanding the plight of those on the other side of the veil, and that has turned your testimony to the savior deeper. Awesome. Okay, Seth, why don't you tell us then how these kind of experiences, because Dallas doesn't get to go to the temple yet, but you have been going to the temple for your ancestors. Is there a difference between going uh for ones who have just you've pushed the ordinances ready button or whatever and the one that you received revelation for? Did you feel a difference? Did you see a difference? What tell me a little bit about that?

SPEAKER_04 15:16

Um I did feel a difference, and how it's helped my testimony grow is um ever since I was like five, um I've I was told that doing temple work was um part of gathering Israel, but I didn't really fully understand that until I had this experience.

SPEAKER_00 15:45

And this experience gave you a desire to want to find those who are on the other side of the veil.

SPEAKER_04 15:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:52

Do you think that that you're receiving, seeking for and receiving revelation is going to help you then in your mission when you uh gather on this side of the veil? Because really the pattern and the process is the same. That you you ask for revelation when you go wherever you're called to in the world to ask who needs help, and the Lord will tell you through revelatory ways and means, those people who you are meant to also uh affect and help on this side of the veil. Has that kind of gotten you maybe a little bit excited about serving a mission then and using this revelation process in that context?

SPEAKER_04 16:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:32

Awesome. Boys, you know, this is the cool thing for me is that a lot of times I hear adults mostly, I've never, I've never taught children who don't believe that they can receive uh information and revelation from the other side of the L on behalf of those who have passed. And so I think it's extraordinary that you can testify of these things really quickly. Have you told your friends or any anyone about this particular experience and that they can participate in it too?

SPEAKER_04 17:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:07

And how has that been received?

SPEAKER_04 17:10

Go ahead, Seth. Um, I have told my friends and they most of them just said that they thought it was really cool, but they didn't really say that they would try to do it, but I hope they do.

SPEAKER_00 17:24

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. What are you uh what about you, Mr. Dallas?

SPEAKER_03 17:29

Um, I didn't tell them that what happened, but I kind of like told them that if you do want to do God's work and help people on the other side of the veil so they can live with God again. You can pray for a name and God will give one to you, and you will feel good when you damage.

SPEAKER_00 18:05

Amen, my friend. That is you will feel good, right? This is this is something that I call it the happy dance, which you know, I just get excited when I receive a name from the other side of the well. Now, most recently, my husband received a Maori name from New Zealand, and we didn't know that we could be related to that, but he received it through Revelation. So it was exuberant, an exuberant time to share with both my husband and I because we were related. So, boys, thank you for setting the example of uh and bearing this testimony. Sometimes it's nervous to get on and um do something different. And I you probably have never done this before. So thank you for joining me. That is a wonderful thing, my friend.

SPEAKER_02 18:51

Sure is.

SPEAKER_00 18:53

Look at that smile on your face. You know how cool is that as a parent.

SPEAKER_02 18:57

Yeah, it's cool, it's fun. Um, I just felt from uh from our children being very young that if they were exposed to family history, that they would want to do it when they're older. And they're all pretty involved, not as not as much as the boys are, but they all do it and have uh so I'm gonna keep inviting them. We're gonna keep we're gonna keep sharing this, and uh hopefully the rest of our family will do it too.

SPEAKER_00 19:30

I think it's important as a parent because yes, it's cool for them to know and understand how the Lord speaks to them and that they can receive revelation from the other side of the veil. But we also understand the many blessings that come to our children as they're involved in Templum Family History Work, the protection from Satan, uh the elevated power as they walk through these very difficult times. And being able to discern truth from error, I think is one of those main things, especially looking forward in what's happening outside in the outside world, trying to discern that is super important. So I honestly don't think there's anything better we could do than first set the example for our kids and seek for these experiences ourselves and then testify them to them as their parents because who do they trust more, right? So tell me a little bit about, I know you've had some more thinning of the Vell experiences and some more kind of experiences that have drawn you maybe deeper into. I mean, you work for Family Search, so that's actually pretty deep into this work. But tell me a little bit about more of your experiences that you've had that have really stretched you and also blessed you in so many different ways.

SPEAKER_02 20:46

Yeah. So when I found the Cattell family, as I said at the beginning of our interview, and I started to do the work for them, I started to feel what my sister calls waves of joy. When you get in the temple and the person's there receiving the ordinances, and you're there and they're there, you can't see them, but they're there, you start to feel these waves of joy. And especially in the ceiling room is where you feel it the most. Um and I remember the first time I finally started, I did all the work I could for as many cattels as I had. Um, my wife did the one, all the work for her, um for all the the females, all the sisters in the family, and then we started doing sealings, and I remember feeling at the altar like I was being sealed to them. That's what the waves of joy felt like to me, and um it was really amazing, and so I wanted to keep going, but at that Point, um, I kind of hit a brick wall and I wasn't sure what to do. And so I was still doing indexing all the time with my kids and and trying to keep searching, but nothing really happened for a while. And a few months later, um I woke up early one morning and a voice in my head said, Don't forget my brother Samuel. And I thought, that's interesting. I already did the work for Samuel Cattell. Why would there be another brother named Samuel? And so I started work finding, or I started trying again. I mean, I I had kind of put away the the Cattell family for a while because I hadn't found anything for so many weeks. And I got on and I immediately found a a census record of his sister named Um Savannah and her son. And so I added Savannah to the family, and then I kept going, and it was like all these records that didn't exist all of a sudden started to exist, and they were really easy to find. And in less than a week, I had found multiple generations of Cattells that had not been added yet, but none of them were Samuel, which I was because I was frustrated, but I was also very eager to continue because I knew I wasn't gonna stop until I found Samuel. And I found a different census record of another Cattell family, and they had a baby that was in the census record but did not have a name. Because in the census record, um uh this was a child who was who had died right after childbirth, and so he didn't have an official name, he was never christened or anything like that in England, and so there was no birth record of this child. And I thought that missing baby has got to be Samuel, and so I crayed about it because you you want to get it right, right? You know, I'm just like, okay, Heavenly Father, if this is Samuel, help me understand that that adding his name is going to put him in the right family. And I felt I felt like this was absolutely it. So I know that to do the work, you have to know the gender. And you can't just have a name and you can't just have a birthday, you have to know the gender of the child. And so I knew that it was male because in one, his name was Samuel, but he all but the revelation I got was don't forget my brother. And so I knew he was a I knew he was male. So I added I added Samuel and we did the work and we we got that family sealed. Um and of course there were waves of joy throughout the entire process. And so um it's just that was that was kind of my first experience where I knew someone from the other side of the veil talked to me and gave me the message because I was the one working on the family line, and they trusted that I would do something about it. Um, and I wouldn't stop until I found him. And um, and so I believed that there was a record that had Samuel there somewhere, and I just had to keep searching until I found him. Now, um, I've had a couple of other ones.

SPEAKER_00 25:47

Um let me let me point something out really quickly, though, before we move along, because I think you bring up a really, really good point. As you mentioned before, your wife and your daughter have received a name, but they're not quite sure what to do with it yet. Right. I think some of the things, the one thing that you pointed out that was interesting is that okay, you received a name and found it pretty immediately. Yeah. But then you received a further revelation about the Samuel. And that one wasn't as easy. But what I love that in between the revelation and you're seeking to understand uh what Samuel, what does that mean? Who does that refer to? In the meantime, you go to work and you're finding many family members, right? It's so it's not technically even just about Samuel, it's about that whole family because that Samuel was a revelatory experience for you and you kept pushing and pushing and pushing. And so I would encourage all of the listeners out there, if you've received a name that you may not know what to do with, keep moving forward and using those little promptings because the Lord will say, maybe go look at it at a certain census or something like that. Don't think that you can uh that you should understand immediately all the time what's to happen. The name is given for a reason, the help is there, and it it really is more than just the one name. For instance, my husband received Hone Tutepo. When looking, there wasn't a honey tutepo, right? But there was the last name of Tutepo that we were related to, and then the first name of Hone that we we were related to. But they were, but we put it together as one name. In actuality, it was two different sets of revelation for two different sets of family. So clarify with the Lord, ask for further revelation about those names. And I loved that you filled in so many gaps because of this little Samuel uh that kept you pushing. So tell me then a little bit more about what you've experienced.

SPEAKER_02 27:54

So you're right that it's not just about the name you get. I've discovered that praying for a name and also going through this experience with the Cattel family, I was able to find many, many, many more family members whose work wasn't done that didn't come through revelation. And I was like, oh, look, here's the person whose name I got. Oh, look, none of their kids' work is done either. Oh, look, their their spouse isn't isn't done either. And it's just super exciting because we know that we're going to make an entire family happy and not just one person.

SPEAKER_00 28:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:27

So um I have I I made friends with some uh older people in Logan. I went to school at at Utah State University during the summer. Um, it's quite common for people from Arizona, sunbirds to come.

SPEAKER_00 28:43

Yeah, we're full of them right now, my friend. We are living the sunbird thing right now.

SPEAKER_02 28:48

They hate the Arizona heat, and I don't so they pam. And I met this couple. Um, they've both passed away um over the years, but um, they were in their 70s, and I became really good friends with them. And the interesting thing was about a week after I met them was Memorial Day, and I went over to their apartment, and the husband, his name's John, he said, we went to the cemetery this morning to see what it was like, and we noticed a lot of gravestones said the word sealed. What does sealed mean? And so I taught them about temples and eternal families and how we do work in the temples for our ancestors. And um, I was able to share the gospel with them throughout the summer. I gave them a Book of Mormon, they loved it. Um, they never did join the church for a variety of reasons, but it was very easy for me to share the gospel with them. Uh, I would say probably 10 years ago, I was in state conference. Um, so so she died. Her name was Carol. She died in 2008 from cancer. Uh, John died in 2019 from old age. So they died 11 years from each other. But um about 10 years ago, I was in state conference and I got a feeling that Carol wanted me to do her work. And I told my wife, and she said, I got the same feeling in the same meeting. And so Carol was talking to both of us. I know that, that she wants her work done, she wants to be sealed to John. Um, they don't have any children, but Carol still has a living brother who I've emailed and he hasn't responded because I have to get permission from him to do her work. John does not have any living relatives either. I believe that his uh, if I can prove that he has no living ancestors, I can do his work without getting permission from a from a living family member because I don't think he has any living family members. Um, and so it's just a matter of getting permission. And in the meantime, here's what I've been doing. Um, I I went to Carol's um line and I noticed that her ancestors have not had their work done. Now, here's the good news. I'm a tenth cousin of Carol, and that's why I get to do her work. Okay. I am not related to John, but since he's a spouse, I can do his work and and and seal them together. But I've been doing Carol's family for the last two and a half years. And her grandparents, all of her grandparents, all of her aunts and uncles, everyone whose work hasn't been done. I've been doing her family. Because it's it's all I can do until I get permission to do hers.

SPEAKER_00 31:53

Yeah. That's well, again, so that goes back to this isn't just about Carol and John, right? I mean, had you not had that impression, you would not have gone and looked. Now, the hard thing is that some couples like Carol and John don't have descendants, right? And they don't have, so who would be looking for them? You know, how does that work? Really, when we think about family history and the many twists and turns that families can take, it requires revelation uh from the other side of the veil to let us know and to remind us because you probably didn't even think about Carol's side of the family, which you didn't know you're related at the time, before you had both you and your wife had the same impression at the same time. And I think that's a beautiful thing that the Lord says, I have not forgotten thee. I have not forgotten Carol and John and their ancestors. They are important to me, just as you know, you or I are important to our Heavenly Father and our Savior Jesus Christ. And I love that you again didn't say, well, I can't do it because I'm not related. You're like, wait a second, I'm going to go do what I can do. And so please, my friends, if you're watching this and you're not sure what to do, just do something. Don't just, you know, give up and say there's nothing to be done here. There is so much to be done if you understand that there are different ways and means of approaching a family. So tell me uh another one if you if you've had one before uh another experience.

SPEAKER_02 33:35

Um I have not had a another direct experience through the veil. Um, I'm expecting them, honestly, because I'm doing the work, and at some point they just they just come when you're not expecting them. Um and so one thing that that um really helped me with John and Carol's um lines was talking to someone who I like I have a really, really good friend at um one of my co-workers at Family Search. And I told them all about how I was kind of stuck and and was doing all of their work, and like I I could not find John, his death at all. I figured he had passed away because he would be a hundred years old now, and I just wasn't sure. And I I did everything I could to find him, and this coworker just thinks about family history different than I do, and he's like, Well, why don't we, you know, search this? And within five minutes he found him because he does family search differently, and and then he's like, Oh, yeah, and here's his dad, and here's his brother, and you know, here's it, here's his World War II recruitment card. And and I was just like, Thank you, because I didn't know what to do, yeah. You know, and so and so this is this is a work where I don't know if my friend, my co-worker got revelation that I couldn't receive. I believe he did because he opened up the brick wall that I had for years on John and his family in less than 10 minutes. Um revelation is scattered, it's not confined to one person or one place. So I am just super grateful um that there are people with other talents and inspiration than I do who can help me get the work done when I don't know where to go.

SPEAKER_00 35:41

I think that's a good point because uh you, I would actually, I'm gonna say this. You had a prompting to ask your friend, hey, so I'm kind of stuck here, right? Because you could have a conversation with anyone, but you were, you thought whenever Colette says, I had this thought, right? Colette says that all the time. I had this thought. And instead of calling it maybe a thought, it is a revelatory uh inkling that you are saying that Heavenly Father is giving to you. Well, okay, you may be stuck here, but look, I've prepared another one of my sons or daughters that can help you pass that brick wall because this isn't just a singular approach. We're talking about a family. And when you're talking about family, thankfully, there are many in the family with many different gifts and spiritual capacities. And it is it is so cool to be able to work on this with so many different people. And I love that Family Search literally is taking everyone in their different levels of understanding doing genealogy because you have those who've been doing it for eons, right? Those who are just coming in, they can all use their gifts and talents and be successful and not have to like go on vacations, you know, that to try to find an ancestor. It's it's remarkable to me what the Lord is doing for this work. Um, a couple more questions. What do you see happening at Family Search? Is there a pulse or or like just this excitement that seems to be building the more because I know AI is huge within family search?

SPEAKER_02 37:22

Um right now, um, I'm a supervisor over the North America Service missionaries who uh uh work in the contact us page. So people who want help with family search, they call or they chat with these missionaries, and the missionaries provide answers to point them in the right direction. And we have just been blessed in the last six months with all these amazing tools, which is going to make it so much easier for these missionaries. The missionaries are absolutely ecstatic that the old way they've been doing it for 10 years is is moving forward in a way that we couldn't even have imagined a year ago. The Lord is hastening the work. We're just trying to keep up with him.

SPEAKER_00 38:04

I could not have said it better myself. Yep. Put your, I mean, there's a reason why President Nelson said, take your vitamin pills, get some rest. And he's saying it, he was saying it at his age, but he look, it's hastening. And there are times where it's so frustrating, I know, but and and technology sometimes is is something that's hard to learn, but it's within the miracle of the technology that you can you were going to see this work just amplified on so many different levels. So, and you have a front row seat to it, kind of. Those who are working at Family Search have that ability to kind of like have a pulse on what's happening around the world. So that's awesome. Um, what principles of the gospel have you learned more about in the gathering of Israel? And and how is your testimony in the savior grown as you've chosen to be a gatherer and really included that as a father teaching that to his family?

SPEAKER_02 39:10

You know, um one of my favorite scriptures is from section 109 of the Doctrine Covenants, which is the dedication of the Kirkland Temple, where he says, And we ask thee, Father, that thy servants may go forth from this house armed with thy power, and that thy name may be upon them, and thy glory run about them, and then angels have charge over them. It's the most real thing. It is absolutely real. It is absolutely real. He's there, the angels are there, they have protected our family over and over again. One of the first lessons I learned about this, um, when my wife and I were first married, we went to the Logan Temple. Bonje Featherstone was the president at the time of the temple. He came into the chapel. We were waiting for the session to start, and he just shared with us that the people whose work we were doing were so grateful that they would spend the rest of their time in the spirit world helping us because we helped them. We opened the door of salvation to them in a way that was impossible from their side. They're so grateful that they want to do something in return to show their love for us. So I absolutely know that the more work I do, the more angels I have helping my family, helping my children. I can call on them. I, you know, sometimes by name, I have my own little angel. We have a girl who was stillborn 10 years ago, that full term. We know she's ours. Um, her name's Camille, and sometimes we know she's with us. Um but besides Camille, I just know that all of the people whose names we take to the temple, they are there, they are witnesses of their own ordinances. They are with us in the baptistry, they are with us in the initiatory, in the endowment, in the ceiling. They are receiving their ordinances with great joy, and I just know that those blessings promised in the dedication of the Kirtland Temple are real for every person who does the work. Um that has really transformed me the more um time I spend in the temple. I used to be an ordinance worker. I was an ordinance worker for five years. I didn't understand the power or blessings that came from being in the temple as often as possible until I started having to be in the temple every week because I was an ordinance worker. And I discovered for myself every promise President Nelson gave while he was prophet of being in the temple is absolutely true.

SPEAKER_01 42:33

I experienced every one of them. So when he says, if you don't like going to the temple, go more, it's absolutely true.

SPEAKER_02 42:46

I did not find great joy in going to the temple. I did it because I felt it was important. But every time I it was time to go, I kind of would have this feeling like, yeah, have to go again. Okay. And I would always feel good after, but when I was there every week, it did not take long for me to be very excited. That it was a week later and I got to be in the temple again because the blessings just come so quickly from spending that time with God in his house. One of the things I've discovered is that God does his best teaching in his house and he will reveal things to his children in his house that cannot be revealed anywhere else. And I'm not talking ordinances, I'm talking personal revelation, I'm talking understanding and um and revelation of understanding the ways of God, who he is, and how he really feels about you, and how he really feels about me. That's only really found in the temple. And I am a completely changed person because of it. So I am not an emotional person, but this has been the biggest, most wonderful thing that ever happened to me. And so I just hope that every other person can discover for themselves the same promises and blessings that come from being in the temple as often as possible, especially doing the work for your own ancestors.

SPEAKER_00 44:32

You have such a poignant testimony about that. And first of all, thank you for sharing. I love, I think that's one of my favorite blessings to be in the temple is that you have angels round about you as you leave. I and I've I've testified to of this in previous episodes, but you know, when I was going through that difficult time in life, the revelation was get to the Lord's house and get to the Lord's house weekly. Um, and I know that there's a lot of my friends out there who can't go weekly, um, but as often as you can, it changed my life. The fact that you can have angels protecting you and surrounding you and leading you along, especially in these very tumultuous times that we live in, that blessing cannot be quantified. I think it's the compensatory blessing, the evil that's happening. We have been blessed with a compensatory blessing of having these temples at our doorstep, literally, because we need that extra help from the other side of the veil. It is a beautiful doctrine and it's one that is unique to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. And when you have lost family members and they're on the other side of the veil, it really is kind of a joyful service to be able to interact with them and to build that relationship with them in doing the work of the Lord. So, my friend, I echo your testimony. And kudos to you for teaching this to your children and your wife for setting the example, both of you for your children, in knowing that this is important to them because heaven knows our children need to be in the temple as often as possible so that they can spiritually survive everything that's here and now. So thank you so much.

SPEAKER_02 46:27

You're welcome. I just want my kids to experience the same thing I've experienced, discover for themselves just how great the temple is. I don't want them to just believe what I experience, but if they can find it for themselves and they can want to be in the temple by themselves, then I think they're gonna be okay.

SPEAKER_00 46:49

Yeah. And I believe in some ways the youth are leading the charge. They really are. You you you see those baptistries full of kids starting at five o'clock in the morning. It's sobering to think about their connection to the other side, and they're not even missionary age yet. Like the power that these kids are emanating from them and gaining is extraordinary. And I think we as adults can learn so much from their example. So thank you for joining me. My friends, thank you so much for joining me today. I love these stories. I just love it when it includes kids and this 14-year-old and this eight-year-old, and they're testifying of these things, just is just such a treat for me. So, friends, thanks you, thank you for joining me. I hope that you will continue to join. And the action word really is to take those opportunities to seek out who needs help on the other side of the L. Pray, and you'll receive many miracles in many different ways and revelations. So thanks, Brian, for joining me. And we will have a you have a great week. And please keep me up to date on what's going on, Family Search. I love having those updates. So we will talk to you all soon. We'll see ya. Bye.