THE FREEING OF PRISONERS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE VEIL: Interview with Jared White

Jared White understands the plight of those who are in prison on the other side of the veil. He himself, has experienced what must be similar feelings to those ancestors who want to be freed from their own personal darkness. During his years in prison, he learned  that God was always near and that the Savior was walking him through the lessons that needed to be learned. Through the grace of the Savior and many ministering angels on this side of the veil, he was able to finally experience the joys of freedom. Through it all, his kids supported him during those very soul stretching periods. The call to release those in the Spirit World who were in prison became increasingly louder as he felt drawn to help.  With the aide of his children on both sides of the veil, he has become a savior through the Gathering of Israel, setting free many who were lost.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:12

Hello, friends. Welcome to the Thinning of the Vell podcast. I'm your host, Tia Smith, and you may have noticed something extremely different than normal. I have partnered with Faith Creators Alliance, and now I'm on this new adventure. We are literally filming in studio, and I'm excited to have my first guest here, Jared White. This was, I think, a meant-to-be kind of situation. I met Jared first at the gathering of the gatherers. And I'm not quite sure why he ended up there. We're going to find that out in a minute. But the more we talked, the more we understood that we had some similarities. But we also, he has this amazing story of redemption. And he has this very unique perspective on the gathering, those on the other side of the veil, as well on this side of the veil, from prison and from bondage. And so as he's become kind of a redeemer with a little R based on his experiences that we'll find out later, and then some thinning of the Vell experiences that has even helped him more, we'll understand kind of a perspective that maybe you and I have not experienced before. So welcome, Jared. Thank you so much for this crazy, crazy experience that we're both having because this is a first for both of us. So why don't you just tell everyone who you are and how actually I don't how did you even end up at the gathering?

SPEAKER_06 1:40

Um so my name's Jared White. Um I'm 52. I live in Springville. Um how I ended up at the at your gathering was one of your episodes about the 144,000. And I just kind of been fascinated with that the last few years. And it was just great. And then I think you mentioned that on that podcast. And so I was like, okay, I'm going. And I thought we were, I kind of thought it was for like specific, because that was my first podcast I saw of yours. I thought it was specific to that subject. So whoever's gathering is gathering for that.

SPEAKER_01 2:22

But I I learned it, you know, since it's a little different, but yeah, that's probably for a feature day, a gathering of the 144,000. We're not quite there yet for sure. Well, I'm glad you showed up, anyways. It it was it was another first. It seems like you're joining me on a lot of the firsts, but you kind of grabbed me a little bit afterward, after everything was kind of settling down and telling me that you had a story. We then connected a little bit later. And when you started telling me about your story, I was so inspired based on where you've been in your life and where you are now and the journey in between. And that's kind of what we're going to talk about today is the journey that you took. So why don't you kind of start us from the beginning? Because I think knowing where you came from is so important, especially to this episode, and as you've experienced the gathering in a whole new way that gave you a better perspective or maybe a different perspective on that. So start from the beginning.

SPEAKER_06 3:24

Okay. So I was born here in Utah. I have eight brothers and sisters. I was raised in church. Um, we moved when I was a teenager to Rhode Island and then in the middle of high school to Texas. And I would say um, right before my move to Texas in Rhode Island, I um started having temptations with word of wisdom things. Um it kind of was just a fun, disguised as fun. I was into sports and kind of like popularity was kind of important to me and stuff like that. And uh a lot of the there was no members, and a lot of my friends, you know, they're just kind of raised with their parents drinking and um stuff like that, which is fine. But um, anyways, I got introduced to alcohol and it was just fun, and um uh long story short, that caused a lot of problems and was like opened the floodgates to a lot of problems that I went through. Um I eventually landed in prison in Utah State prison. Um sorry. I don't even know what that was.

SPEAKER_01 4:47

This is a pretty this is a pretty deep conversation, and you're being pretty raw. So emotions are expected for sure.

SPEAKER_06 4:56

So yeah, there's there's lots of ways and things I know that helped get me to that point. And if if you'd like to know more about those, I'm happy to ask. But like just how everything was cleverly disguised specifically for me, and how I think that's how Satan works for everybody, you know. But um yeah, I was deceived probably when I was about 14, and uh, you know, it wasn't I was different, you know. All these stories I'd heard was the opposite at first. Like, this is fun, like you know, where's all this trouble coming from? Anyway, so I um ended up going to prison after a bunch of things, and um in prison, um I spent most of my time in Gunnison, and I was there for almost three years, and um the uh church was really established in there in uh in the prison.

SPEAKER_01 5:57

In the prison, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 5:58

Okay, like um institute, it was lots of volunteers. Um but there were um elder missionaries, um older couple missionaries that had like church uh institute backgrounds, and they taught classes like all day, every day. And um, we had bishops, we had family history library.

SPEAKER_01 6:24

So let's talk about that for a minute. So you're you're going through this, you start out uh participating in something that was fun, right? And I don't think that you when you first start participating in activities like that, that you think that it's what the end result is going to be, right? You're just starting out to have fun, you're trying to fit in, you're trying to um navigate this move and find friends.

SPEAKER_04 6:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:53

And I think how Satan works is he he leads you little bit by little bit till eventually you pick up all of the vices, right? And he essentially kind of binds you with chains. And it and this is going to be a theme that we talk about today, where you were bound in chains because of some of the decisions that were made and some of the falsities that Satan tends to teach us, yeah. That eventually you get to the point where you you are so disconnected from Heavenly Father and the Savior.

SPEAKER_06 7:28

It's crazy how that happens.

SPEAKER_01 7:31

Because I'm sure when you were 14, you didn't think that you would end up in prison. Right.

SPEAKER_06 7:36

Well, the thing about when I moved to Rhode Island, I was 12. So I went from Utah, where I only think I ever heard a swear word. I mean, I had, but limited. And I go to school in seventh grade, and there's people throwing the F-bomb, and there's a designated smoking area in junior high, and I'm like, what? But I was I held on to the gospel at that point in my life. And that started, there was, you know, a few members in the ward or in my school, like two, and um, but I helped met those friends at church, and I kind of just held on to them at first, and I I did not like moving there. And I got teased for the way I dressed, everything, but I and talked, and um, but I stuck it out with the gospel. And then when I started like having success, and then I had made all these friends, and I was back to where I was when I left Utah, how I felt like, you know, because friends at that age were real important. Um then I started, it was kind of like I was in my pride a little bit, even at that young age. I was like, okay, now I've got this success. Now I can let go. And um the difference was when I moved from Rhode Island to Texas, I didn't rely on the gospel. I had been roped into like alcohols where I'm gonna turn to like solve, help solve my problems.

SPEAKER_01 9:06

So you're as you're trying to navigate all of this and decisions are are kind of putting you in places and meeting with people that you'd never thought that you would end up being, um eventually you land your um you land in prison. And like tell me a little bit about that first. What was the feelings when you ended up there? And were you mad at God at that point? Or like walk me through that just a little bit.

SPEAKER_06 9:37

Okay. So after I started just having minor run-ins with the law, traffic tickets, silly things, probably when I was about 17. Um, it became my addictions became deeper and deeper. And um I did a lot of time in the county jails, and it would just go through this cycle with like probation, and I'd get like have a urine analysis. And if I was drinking the night before, I'd hide, and so then I'd have a warrant. And then I'd it was I was in and out of the county jail consistently. Uh several of them. And then um a wise judge, I'd tallied up so much, many felonies at this point. Um a wise judge uh said, That's enough. I'm sending you to prison. When I fully thought I was not going, I had the prosecuting attorneys and everyone on the same page, and the judge said, No, you're you're going. And I remember looking at the back of the courtroom, and my mom was right there. She's like, What just happened, you know? And I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm going to prison.

SPEAKER_03 10:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 10:53

Uh I wasn't mad at God.

SPEAKER_03 10:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 10:56

No. And uh, I'd been excommunicated by this point. I was excommunicated when I was 19. Um, I didn't even hold the Melchizedek priesthood. And uh, and I haven't really been mad about at God about that either at that time. And I think um not being mad at God and realizing what excommunication really was.

SPEAKER_01 11:24

Uh which to you is what? What what what did that do for you? What was that how did that carry you to the next phase of where you are now? Obviously, that was part of the process.

SPEAKER_06 11:35

Yeah. Um it just it just reminded me, it gave me a goal in the long run to get re-baptized. Yeah. So when I got to prison, I just embraced everything about the gospel in there. And I could go to class all day, every day for eight hours. I could spend up to four hours in the family history library. Um there were general authorities coming in and talking to us. Um, I got to interview a couple of them because I was like the guy at the microphone introducing guys.

SPEAKER_01 12:10

Look at this. So this isn't necessarily a first-time experience. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_06 12:15

Yeah, well, you know, the inmates were a little different than talking to true, true. But um it was it was awesome, and and there were times in my cell that I mean, I didn't have the gift of the Holy Ghost. And so I was wondering, how is this happening? How am I feeling the spirit so strong? I don't I didn't not having the gift of the Holy Ghost, I would oftentimes use as an excuse, you know. But I I understood later that it was the light of Christ and how tuned up that could get, you know, and there were times in my cell that I was just wow. I I mean I was not in prison.

SPEAKER_01 13:02

Yeah. And I think so when you so you're experiencing before you get to prison, you're experiencing absence of the spirit, right?

SPEAKER_04 13:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:15

Um did you try to reconnect with God at any time point in time there, or was this just kind of like, um I'm not worthy, I'm not gonna try to connect, He probably isn't gonna talk to me. Um, tell me a bit a little bit about connecting, which I think prepared you then for the experiences that you had in prison.

SPEAKER_06 13:36

It did. Okay, so I never I've always been a spiritual person. I didn't know what it was when I was younger. I that's always been there, but I kind of just didn't know, like with the testimony and all that. It's always been there. But you'd hear people go up in church and say, I know the church is true. And I'm like, Do I really know? You know?

SPEAKER_03 13:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 13:57

Um, but I did. And um so every time I had gone to jail, which we're talking like in the county jails, probably up to 50 times.

SPEAKER_02 14:08

Wow.

SPEAKER_06 14:09

I I don't know. Yeah. A lot.

SPEAKER_02 14:11

A lot, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 14:12

There was always an attempt to grab my scriptures, re pray every single time. And my family and everyone be like, you do great when you're in jail, you know, you got this structure, and you you're not you're not making poor decisions because you can't.

SPEAKER_01 14:30

And you're not around the people who are helping you make those bad decisions.

SPEAKER_06 14:34

Yeah, exactly. And then um, and uh I I tried every time. And honestly, I'm so glad I did. It wasn't just like a boom strike of lightning.

SPEAKER_03 14:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 14:51

But when I got sent to prison, it was kind of like, all right, you hear of rock bottom, this could be it, you know.

SPEAKER_01 15:00

Yeah, for sure. For sure. And uh so when you're in the prison, then you've you've tried to, in the way that you can, stay connected to Heavenly Father and the Savior. Uh good thing you had a good base to go back to, right? You were taught uh the gospel of Jesus Christ when you were young. Um you get into prison. I think sometimes, I know for me, sometimes I learn about revelation because of the opposition first that is placed in my path, because that's always louder, louder than the still small voice. It's more f frequent, it's a lot more uh hearable, I would say. But when you're when you're talking about the stare spirit and the still small voice, sometimes when you have an absence of it. Yeah. And then now you're in this very, very, I would call it a sacred environment in prison, right? It was a very sacred, holy environment.

SPEAKER_06 16:01

They all dress in white.

SPEAKER_01 16:03

Really?

SPEAKER_06 16:04

In the prison, they do. And you would hear general authority say say that every time, like nearly every time. I feel like I'm in the temple.

SPEAKER_01 16:12

Yeah. And um quite extraordinary.

SPEAKER_06 16:16

It is. And it's uh I think a lot of it has to do with humility. Sure. And just people feeling remorse and you know.

SPEAKER_01 16:25

But well, and it's a very controlled environment. I mean, if you think about the mission and how there's the environment matters, you're also in this environment now where um, for all intents and purposes, you're they're trying to say, look, if you you have the time, if you put the effort into it, this can become a sacred, holy place for those of the of you who want to participate in it. And I love because if you look at the savior's life and you look at where he went and who he spent his time with, um those prisoners being whether it's physical, mental, actually in prison, he spent time among those people and the healing that took place within those places, it made them holy, right? So tell me a little bit about um you're in prison, you're starting to have these experiences. Um, tell me a little bit about your gathering of Israel experiences within the prison, because this is for me, it was it was just quite extraordinary to hear your testimony about it.

SPEAKER_06 17:35

Yeah, so like I said, this I've always known I've been spiritual. I didn't know what was going on. Like this gathering thing has been a part of me as I look back, like clear to my childhood, like just organizing things from neighborhood games. And anyways, I got to prison and uh I just loved like doing missionary work and helping other inmates. And like, I'm not saying this to like be like, hey, you know, no, I I really do it. Like, I just like unity, I guess. And um so I would spend a lot of time, and like there's pretty hardened guys in there, but you strip down like the drug use and all that, and everyone's just a person, you know, and and you get to know who they really are. And um uh so one of the ways I would do missionary work was so the family history library, you know, this was in 2000, uh 2001 to 2004. Um we had to order like microfish and stuff to and we had like I'm so sorry. Yeah, no, but it was we had we had some computers, okay, but it was like old family history stuff, and like they would do um ender names and you could do stuff like that. But I liked like pioneer stuff.

SPEAKER_03 18:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 18:55

Because I have some pioneer ancestry. And um, and so I would I've I've stumbled on coat of arms, my coat of arms. And like um, and I thought that was cool, and and and and so I would ask guys, other inmates, like, because you don't want to just go up to them and be like, hey, you come church, whatever. Some guys, some guys in there are like, you they want to see you that you're genuine. Some guys just go because they're there. But, anyways, that was a great way for me to talk to those who weren't members or you know, stop believing or whatever. Is I said, Well, what's your you know, let me check out if I can find your coat of arms for you. So I'm pretty pretty sure that half the prison got their coat of arms tattooed. Not so their bodies somewhere. But uh that was one way, and I'd see guys come to church like that week. Yeah, and a lot of them stick it out, and they and they always respected me. It was never, you know, it was they really appreciated it. And I think, you know, whether you're LDS or not, like the family history thing can speak to everybody.

SPEAKER_01 20:06

Well, it goes back to identity, right? Yeah, and really I think for these prisoners, they wore their identity on their body, right?

SPEAKER_06 20:14

Yeah, their number, just right.

SPEAKER_01 20:16

Their numbers right there, or the tattoos that they've gotten signal what gang they're in or what they believe in. But when you give them the identity that they are more than just a gang member, or they're more than just whatever like crime they've committed, yeah. And you say you are you belong to a family.

SPEAKER_04 20:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:38

You have people who have been born before you, and it's no coincidence that you're born into that family. Look and look at the family and really understand where you come from.

SPEAKER_02 20:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:51

And that, like you said, it's universal for everyone. That's the power of the gathering in the spirit of Elijah. It doesn't matter if you're in prison or if you're in church. The spirit of Elijah like has no boundaries, it can go anywhere.

unknown 21:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:03

You know, it doesn't need permission to be there.

SPEAKER_06 21:06

It was, you're absolutely right. And it was amazing because the family history stuff, I, you know, that could be a tough environment sometimes, but angels everywhere, all around me. I mean, you could just feel these ancestors helping me do my time, you know, and um it was great. I mean, uh you don't really want to say prison was great, but yeah. As I look back, like, yeah, it was really good for me at that time, and everything sunk, and and all the volunteers that would come in, like people in the city of Gunnison, more particularly, or in that surrounding area, they would have family home evening where they'd a couple would come in and take an inmate as like their family member. And you'd get to meet with them, and they became really tight. They didn't care what people's charges were, they didn't they just normally People that are gathering. Yeah, exactly. And there's a lot of these guys from that time that I still have contact with that are doing really good. And they'll all mention these same things I am. Yeah. And just yeah, I think I wish like how we're talking about it openly, I think is great because you know, sometimes people can think they're getting stereotyped with being an inmate or or whatever, or having any problem. But um people, if you keep an open mind, like you know, when you let me talk about it right here, it's like awesome.

SPEAKER_01 22:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 22:41

I think it really helps.

SPEAKER_01 22:42

I think it um it goes back to we're all family and we're none of us are perfect. And I love that I love that the gospel of Jesus Christ enters those places that most people would think that they didn't want to go and can have these amazing spiritual experiences drawing closer to the savior and seeing the changes that can happen when the atonement of Jesus Christ is applied in someone's life because they want to. So you're going through these experiences, you're being drawn to your ancestors, you're having thinning of the vowel experiences in prison, knowing that they're carrying you through that. Your time is now up. You've served your time. Yep. Now take it from there and tell me a little bit, because that will lead into what we talk about next. So fill us in a little bit about that.

SPEAKER_06 23:33

Yeah, sorry, this kind of stuff isn't as fun as what we're gonna talk about, but no, it's all it's all tied together. Yeah, it is. Um, so I got out, and of the many times I've been in jail before, like there was this thing where you get on probation or whatever, and you wouldn't tell the other inmates that you're not coming back because you don't want to jinx it. And you'd see guys just come right back, and they're kind of like, Do you really ever know that you're not coming back? You know, and when I left, I knew I wasn't coming back, which was the first time ever. And um, just my testimony had grown. There was still a lot of obstacles I had. There was restitution issues. Um, you know, and then the church at that time was it was pretty hard to get rebaptized. Not pretty hard, but I mean there were a little bit different than yeah, and like if you had a judgment on your you couldn't be on parole, yeah, stuff like that. Um, so I was on parole, and then um I just kind of I went got out and went and lived with my mom in Murray. And um, sorry, and I just focused on myself for like six months. I I we took an internal marriage class in prison. So I learned how I'm gonna select like my companion, you know. And but uh I I just felt the Lord was with me, and but I I wanted a date and stuff, but I was like, you need to kind of just spend some time with yourself. A lot of people were like, that's the answer. I don't I'd be careful with that, you know. So I I got to about six months where I kept going to church. The first thing I did was get in contact with my bishop. And um yeah, it was um Russell and Milson's daughter's ward, and her husband was the bishop.

SPEAKER_00 25:27

Really? Yeah, no coincidence with my friends, no coincidences.

SPEAKER_06 25:31

Yeah, he actually came uh to our church once. But um, anyways, so yeah, I got with the bishop and you know, he knew the plan and the obstacles. The goal was to get rebaptized at this point, like temple, whatever could come later. Um, I met my my my kid's mom um about six months in, and then we dated for like a year and a half, and uh she was LDS girl and just great. And um I was on probation or parole this whole time, uh, shortly before I was married, I believe. Right around there, I got off parole. And the difference with probation or parole this time was every time they always would say, Oh, they're just set up to make you fail. I was living the gospel. So, like my bar was up here, and that was just I had to go.

SPEAKER_01 26:35

It was a formality.

SPEAKER_06 26:36

Yeah, it was just a formality, and I had to stay on top of my fines and stuff, and that was kind of like my goal. I had to do these things to get baptized. I restitution was like the obstacle.

SPEAKER_03 26:47

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_06 26:48

Yeah. Uh got with my stick president, all that. Anyways, I got um I got married. I just got married in in our church, and the bishop from Murray married us, and that was in Kevesville. Um, so we lived in Keville, and then um uh my ex-wife had two kids already, and uh, and they're great. And um so we had my son shortly, about nine months after that, uh, and um and then my daughter in 2008. Um 2008, um, I got rebaptized.

SPEAKER_01 27:29

Happy day, my friend.

SPEAKER_06 27:30

Yeah. Um, there's a lot I'm missing. Yeah, like a lot happened.

SPEAKER_01 27:35

Right.

SPEAKER_06 27:36

Um yeah. But it was all God was with me the whole time.

SPEAKER_01 27:41

I love that your focus when you got out of prison, your goal wasn't to just get through, you know, parole. Yeah. Your goal was to get back to the covenants that you knew were important. And I believe the work that you did in prison, uh the fact that you were a testifier of the gathering and the importance of your ancestors. I think sometimes when we talk about family history work, that it benefits those on the other side of the veil. We don't understand, but I think you do, as you worked on that in prison, you gained power walking out of prison to be able then to make it to the next several hurdles that you were going to have to, because it wasn't easy, I'm sure, coming out of prison. So you've gotten rebaptized, you've met a girl, you've married her, you've had children. After you've gotten baptized, then tell us a little bit about like what were the next steps that you started to take in furthering advancing within the gospel, right? Gaining knowledge and making other covenants uh as well on your journey.

SPEAKER_06 28:48

Okay. Yeah. So after that, the next goal became getting my endowment. And um that what we weren't married in the temple, uh, but I did get my endowment. And um that was like the next goal, right? But there was always then I got did that, and then there was another goal, and uh, you know, it just kind of keeps going. Yeah. But um I got endowed, and um I just tried to stay busy working and and build this little business I created. Um, about this time, uh my brother Tim he was killed in a motorcycle wreck. My sister Gina died when I was in prison, and my dad died just before I went to prison. So they're involved in all this too.

SPEAKER_02 29:39

Yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_06 29:40

Yeah. So um, so I have eight brothers and sisters, and they're all great. And they were set up much better to like handle. When my brother was killed, his kids, he had two couple kids, three of them. Uh, two of them were living with them. And we had to decide, they were in North Dakota when it happened, and we had to decide where the kids were gonna live. And I I and my wife at that time had just started had these little impressions, and they just kept adding up, and we're like, how could we take care of them? Like, we had this little tiny place with four kids already, and um we couldn't deny what was going on, and um we were the least likely candidates of all my brothers and sisters to take them, and so there was, you know, six brothers and sisters left at this time, and um we had kind of like a we went to the temple and we felt confirmation we we need to take them. And this is kind of like a big thing with how I started to learn revelation like in the temple, like in just my revelation process period, because my my wife at the time was like, Yes, this is this is the answer, which surprised me. Yeah, and I'm like, I felt a lot, yeah. But I felt what she was saying, and uh, we told my family about it. We all had a meeting of where are the kids gonna go, and and I told my family, who aren't all active, um, and they said they're going with Jared. And we're just like, okay, here we go.

SPEAKER_03 31:28

Buckle up.

SPEAKER_06 31:29

Yeah, yeah. So that yeah, so Dean and Cassidy came and lived with us, and um, they weren't members, and they both got baptized. Yeah. Um, I baptized uh Dean and my brother Derek, who re-baptized me. He was one of my companions in all my troublemaking, who would now come back. Okay. He baptized uh Cassidy. And um so that was part of the, you know, after I made got my endowment stuff, you know, I was stronger to now accept this. And as I look back, I'm like, I can't believe how I'd gone from this to everyone entrusted me with my brother's kids.

SPEAKER_01 32:16

Yeah. I think to a certain extent, you you have revelatory experiences in prison, then you come out and you're endowed with power. And you're in, yes, I'm sure in that environment in the prison is a sacred space, but then you go to a holy house of God and you can feel and experience the spirit in ways that you never thought possible. And I I believe that's why firmly believe when you attend the temple regularly, it opens you up to better receiving revelation than you ever have before. And these are kind of things in life that are kind of a big deal. You're taking on a huge responsibility. And I also believe that those from your family who were taken before, you know, that cheering section on the other side of the bell, I've been taught through revelatory ways that for me, my family members that have left and um too early, because it's, you know, it it was not, they've heard this on the channel, but they're there so they can help the family in ways they couldn't on this side of the veil. And so I think this combination of coming out of prison, you're having goals, you have family members that are literally moving heaven and earth round about you all the time. You received extra power in the temple, right? So your your life is starting to take on this form that you never thought possible. So you're kind of writing a little bit of a high, a good high, not a bad high, right? So tell me what happens from there.

SPEAKER_06 33:55

Okay. So that was great. And I kind of felt like, hey, I started getting in my pride a little bit. I was having success with the business, and and uh we were able to get a a bigger place to stay in, you know, through help with my brother's insurance from passing and stuff. But things were on track, and uh I started slipping up. And and it led to divorce. Um, I started to to drink occasionally and um I took some prescription drugs for a depression problem or ADHD. Yeah. Um and that was getting out of hand. And you know, so I got divorced, and the kids had to all split up. It was terrible. It was it was really hard. And um at that point, I'm just like, oh, that was really hard.

SPEAKER_03 34:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 35:00

So basically it came down to uh my niece and nephew went with my sister, and um uh my kid's mom, you know, she kept her boys and and and my kids, but I got good custody uh rights and stuff like that. That was really good. Um and so my life just became how can I, you know, I just had to adapt to that and I I struggled. Yeah. It was a matter of time before it became bigger and bigger. I mean, I just kept it drinking and and stuff like that. I wasn't getting in crazy stuff and wasn't really committing crimes, but um till I was.

SPEAKER_01 35:47

One thing always leads to another. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 35:51

But um, so for the next, I don't know, it was kind of like a it just rolled along, got worse and worse. I you the crazy thing about it is I knew all this. Like I knew the process. And like, well, how could you go to prison and have this like change of heart and then and then go back to that? I I I struggled with all this. I'm like, because prison was like there was every time, like I said, every time I went to jail, I got closer, but prison was like, I thought I was dun dun. Um I started to get in a little trouble and went back to jail a time or two. Um right before, well, one of my last times in jail, I I went for six months and I got DUI and some other things. And um my kids this entire time I was super close to, I've been really close to my kids this entire time. Even when I was doing these things. And I would, you know, always encourage them to go to church. Um, I got to baptize, well, I didn't get to baptize my son, but I got to baptize my daughter Morgan when I wasn't necessarily worthy. Yeah. And I didn't under I met with the bishop and I told him, and I'll never forget that guy. He's like I never even went to church at that ward. And he came over to my apartment and it's like, I've really thought about this prayer. We're gonna let you baptize your daughter.

SPEAKER_01 37:31

Which is kind of a big deal.

SPEAKER_06 37:33

It was, it was she was insistent. So my little girl's like this tender, her nickname her whole life's been Angel, and she's literally an angel. She's just really tender, and just she was when it comes to that kind of stuff, or her dad, she's adamant. She's not sure. She she will take a stand. She's like, no, my dad is baptizing, my dad is baptizing me. And yeah, he he he let me and and um and I I look back at that and I understand why now, why he let me.

SPEAKER_01 38:11

Yeah. Yeah. And that's going to probably take us probably into the hardest part of our discussion today. Um, because I think when we talk about these things, I've talked openly about my own experiences. And they are heart-wrenching, but there's also some beautiful parts in there. So tell us then a little bit about kind of what we want to focus on the rest of the episode today on.

SPEAKER_06 38:38

Okay. All right. So I think I think what I should start right here is after uh get in trouble a little bit, I I got out of jail like 2018 for the last time. And I wasn't I I don't know, like I I wasn't big into church. I I went occasionally. It just I don't know, I was just like gr outgrowing it or something. I don't know. But around the time I was 50, just a couple years ago, three years ago, um I started to feel this pull, like this anticipation. And it started just by going to church. I just went to church and I'm like, oh my gosh, something something is happening. And this time I wasn't compelled to be where I was. And uh immediately a week after that, or a couple days after that, Elders Corn president, who I'll always be grateful for, came over and talked to me. We had a great conversation. Um, then a couple days later, a mission leader came over, and then I went and saw my bishop, and then this repentance process started, and there was some obstacles.

SPEAKER_03 40:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 40:02

Now the goal is the temple. And then, but I had this like extra kick with me this time. And I don't I think it's part of this gathering stuff, yeah, is what it was. Yeah. Um, but my I was learning things faster and understanding things better. And anyways, I got my temple recommend, and my kids were with me this whole time. They climbed aboard and they were getting pumped up. They were talking about going on missions now. And we had this thread we called the mission thread. And us, us three would always just encourage each other. They'd start sending me scriptures, and it was just we all. It was great.

SPEAKER_01 40:52

You were bonding over the thought of gathering on both sides of the veil through missionary work.

SPEAKER_06 40:58

Yeah. There was just a lot going on, and like my understanding of things was opening. This um Morgan went and got her patriarchal blessing, which I'll probably talk about in a minute. Harrison, my son Harrison went and got his all this time. Uh uh, I was able to go help my brother with the job in near Palmyra. I got to go to the Sacred Grove. And it was just, I was at this high, just a spiritual high. Like more special than I'd ever felt in prison or anything. I I remember telling my kids, I think I'm the happiest I've been in 40 years. Because 1984 was my favorite year before that. But um, so that was November of 2024, and I was on just a spiritual high. And then um I went to um Florida to help work on one of my sisters' house with my brother. I'd only been there a day, a day or two, and um uh I got a FaceTime for my son, Harrison. He's all dad, dad, get on your knees and just pray with me. This is really important. Well, he and he goes, Morgan is passed out, she's on the floor, we the ambulance is on her way, we don't know what to do. I'm like, Well, okay, so we we pray, and um happened was my son Harrison, Morgan was scheduled to, she's 16 years old, and she was gonna have a sleepover at one of her friend's house, and she was really excited, and um she uh had a cardiac arrest. Um previous I mean her mom was really good about having checkups and tests and stuff. No, no clue. And um my thoughts were it was sudden, uh it's called SAD, sudden heart sudden heart arrhythmia death syndrome or something like that. Anyways, my son went in and found her on the floor, and uh he tried to give her CPR uh his the best he could. And then um that's when he called me right after that, and then I could hear her mom just in the background, and oh just her franticness and and uh the ambulance got there and took her to this was in Kaysville, um, at their mom's house. Um they took her to the hospital in Leighton and um Harrison's on the phone with me. He didn't go in the ambulance. Her mom did. And um they got to the right before they got the hospital. I'm like, he said, I gotta hang up, Dad. They're taking her in the ambulance. I walk outside and I'm like, my brother's there. And I'm like, okay, I don't know what to do. I just gotta go for a walk. Like, I what?

SPEAKER_05 44:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 44:21

You know, I was like, I can't, my daughter's not gonna die, you know, like what? But there's a thought that maybe she could. And um I started to go out for a walk, and then I I felt this little thing, and it was Morgan. I says, Hi daddy. Just all happy. If anyone who knows Morgan, she does his little twenty dad, hi daddy, like she's happy. I'm like, wait, Morgan, if that's you, please come back. Please. I go back into the house immediately, and I go for a walk. I told my family what's going on through text, because there's a whole bunch of us. And everyone's okay, you know, converging. Um right then Harrison messaged me, she's breathing. This is right after I asked her to come back. So I go, she listened, she came back. Um but anyways, they flew her to primary children's hospital, and then I got another I got a call, and it's just kind of how it went. I'll be a little bit more brief. She uh she stopped breathing when she got back to primary children's. Um I don't know whether it was on the helicopter ride or or what, but she stopped breathing again, and they had to um hook her up to machines and and stuff like that. So I'm in Florida. We I flew home that night like on a red eye. That was a a flight.

SPEAKER_01 46:11

Yeah, I can't even imagine that.

SPEAKER_06 46:14

Yeah. Um but I get to the airport and my brother typed, picks me up, and I got in his truck and I just remember looking at him and the look on his face. He was just like, You okay, brother? You know, like nothing was said. I just lost it, right? The most I'd cried. Anyway, she takes me to the hospital and uh I go in and there's my little girl, all hooked up to machines. She's breathing. But she's in a state where she the machines have to keep her alive. Um and that's where some pretty special moments ha happen in those ten days in the hospital. A lot of healing. My divorce was pretty bitter, and healing of relationships I thought could never even be repaired. We're almost right then.

SPEAKER_01 47:28

It's extraordinary to have experiences that are so deep in pain. I've lost children, and it is the worst pain that I have ever felt in my life, and I've been through a lot of experiences. You never want to have that happen. But it's always interesting to me how the Lord, in your deepest sorrows and your deepest traumas, can turn that into such a sacred, holy, good experience on the other end of that. You're going in and out of grief, the feelings are horrible, and then little glimpses of positive, right? But I think that there's it's a it's a miracle process where uh if you allow it to, and if you have eyes to see, it's actually an opportunity where powers there that wouldn't have been there otherwise. So you're you've you've lost your dear daughter. Yep. And the interesting part, my friend, is that as we've talked today um before recording this episode, your daughter's name was Morgan. And the daughter that I lost, her name was Morgan as well. So we have this bond with Morgans or Angel Morgans on the other side of the veil, right? That are that are so intimately involved with our lives. And I believe to a certain extent, that's why you and I are here talking about this.

SPEAKER_06 48:56

I have no question about that.

SPEAKER_01 48:58

Yeah. So tell me then some of the experiences that you started having with um Morgan on the other side of the veil and how you felt her close. And especially as you've started kind of your getting your feet wet into this gathering of Israel. Because we've talked, we talk a lot. I talk a lot on the podcast about how when you have family members on the other side of the Vell, we know the work that they're doing. We know that they are spreading the gospel and being missionaries. You, you know, in your mission thread, she wanted to be a missionary. She is. So tell me then some of your experiences that you've had with her that have helped you not only heal your heart, but also helped you in your work of the gathering.

SPEAKER_06 49:44

Okay. So it started there in the hospital. Um, well, slightly be when I went to the Sacred Grove, I knew there was no turning back. Like I knew it was, you know, I there was no turning back, and this was exciting. Um in the hospital, um, I just remember the spirit. Um, they had a chapel there, and when we went there on Sunday, all our families that were once divided were all in there together. And I remember telling my my kids' mom, her their grandma, uh this is what it felt like in prison. Everyone was broken down. There was other families with other kids there.

SPEAKER_01 50:35

Yeah, it's primary children's awesome place, but it's a horrible place for if you have a sorry, if you have children there, it's very, very difficult for sure.

SPEAKER_06 50:51

Yeah. But just a spirit with everybody there. I mean, it it's like religion didn't matter. Like we had people coming in from you know, church or other people. But um the hardest thing, just I'll back up just real quick, because I I feel like with all all my pats that I had up to this, that's the hardest thing I ever had to do bar none, was lay my hands as a worthy priesthood holder on my daughter's head when there was still a chance for a great, great miracle to happen and just say, According to thy will, Heavenly Father. That was the hardest thing I ever done. So yeah, she was there the whole time. We could hold her hand and talk to her and and all that. We knew her her mission was underway. And I told my son Harrison, who just turned 18 two days later, that you know, we're going forth in this great cause. We're not turning back. And we felt Morgan's strength. And my dad's and my sisters, and other relatives. Like this is part of it.

SPEAKER_01 52:23

That's hard to say, but no, it is, it's part of the plan, right? They just they're getting a mission transfer to another part of God's kingdom.

SPEAKER_06 52:32

Exactly. Great point because Morgan, I I I think Morgan, it's important to realize that she not only had the faith to to live, but she had the faith to die and transfer her mission.

unknown 52:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 52:47

And um that's great. Yeah. The best the best feeling I've comfort I ever had at this point is I knew I think the best comfort a parent can ever have is knowing that your kids in a pickle, they're gonna turn to Jesus Christ. Yeah. And I knew that at that point about them. And so me and Harrison were like, okay, onward. You know, she's gonna help us, we're gonna do this. Uh and if the if the definition of miracles is having heaven come down and help.

SPEAKER_01 53:29

Right.

SPEAKER_06 53:30

Like these are just it's amazing.

SPEAKER_01 53:32

It's constant since that day. So tell me a little, just tell me a couple of your favorites.

SPEAKER_06 53:38

Okay, yeah. So Morgan hadn't been endowed, and um, like these are like I'll tell you some more of the more striking ones. So Morgan hadn't been endowed, and her mom was still, you know, struggling with some grief and stuff, and and um, but I know she wanted to do that. Morgan did. And um, so we didn't have a day set where that was gonna happen. And we was kind of letting her mom drive a little bit, and but I was kind of like, let's get it done, you know, and so was Harrison. And um one night I I have this thing with dreams. The dreams are part of like my revelatory process, yeah. And one really special one happened in the hospital, and then this one I felt three taps on my left foot and like physically felt them. And I woke up and I'm like, okay, is there a dog? Like, because I was watching my sister's dog, I'm like, did Chewie tap on my? I really felt him. And I'm I'm like, three taps? That's kind of weird. So, well, if you know what I'm talking about with the three distinct taps, and um, so I thought about it, and um, okay, it's something to do with Morgan's endowment. And so this is a couple months, like probably like six months in. And um, you can get someone endowed like a month after their passing. But, anyways, uh, so I'm like, okay, well, I'll message her mom. I don't want to upset her or anything, and uh is what it led to was she committed to having it done. Um, probably she committed to having it done, and so it was a great like victory, or you know, and um, so I thought that was special. And then a few months later, I I went up camping by myself up on the mountain, and uh I was riding a four-wheeler, and um I'm on my way down, and my son, I get reception, I'm on the front of the mountain right here by Springville, and then my son says, Dad, I have some good news. I'm like, What? He goes, My mom said that we can do the endowment in November. My son's been kind of behind the scenes, like making this happen. It's more him than me. And um, and I just felt so happy. I pulled over, uh, hung up the phone, pulled over, and there was about 50 butterflies in a circle right above me. About 50 of them. Like, that's weird. Like, I said a prayer, and I'm just so happy, and that was cool. So I go down the mountain more, and I see this rock off to the side. It looks like kind of like an altar, and I'm like, okay, I really need to pray. So I went over and knelt by the rock and just gave thanks to Heavenly Father. And I felt her really strong. And as I walk back to the four wheeler, I get on the four-wheeler, and there's more butterflies. Like they disappeared for a while. And there was about a thousand of them. I got on the the four-wheeler and I'm driving to where I, you know, started with my truck, and they're just following me, just dancing all in the air. And I'm other people are occasionally passing me, and there's dust in the air. I'm like, how are these butterflies only with me? And like, is this like the a weird season? I didn't, I couldn't, but I'm like, no, dude, this is yeah, this is a miracle.

SPEAKER_03 57:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 57:27

And and so, yeah, so we had a date, and then um we got her endowment done. And the endowment itself was, I mean, everything leading up to it. I could tell just so tell so many stories with others helping. And um we went to the bountiful temple, got her endowment done, and um that was great.

SPEAKER_01 57:55

That's one of the I think it's I think the reason why there was so much joy that you felt when that was finally a green light, given a green light to you.

SPEAKER_05 58:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:06

Is that for Morgan to fulfill her mission on the other side of the veil in being a missionary, she needs the power, she needs the covenants being made so that she is eligible then to. I don't know if they wear tags over there, wouldn't, you know, wouldn't that be not awesome if we could find that out? But she needed those ordinances to move forward. And now she is free to live the measure of her creation and live up to the merchant that she was sent here and then there to do. So it's just a joyful moment, especially as you think about connecting with your loved ones on the other side of the veil, that through the work of the gathering, there's just so many different um connect points that seem to happen. So let me ask you just a couple last questions. Um has this increased then you're having experiences obviously with your daughter from the other side of the valve and maybe with other family members.

SPEAKER_02 59:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 59:02

Has this increased your desire to want to do Templin family history work? Increased your desire to really up your game in your in the work of the gathering?

SPEAKER_06 59:14

Absolutely. Um, when you have that spirit of Elijah, um sometimes you might not recognize what it is, but it's there. And yeah, like we'll go to I'll go to the temple and just bring some names, some girl names that I feel this is before Morgan got her endowment. Me, my son would go and do baptisms, he'd get friends from high school and stuff. And um we just take four girl names and we always got provided an angel to do the girl baptisms. You know? Yeah. And um even though I think you're not supposed to give out names in the temple to others, just could you do these? You know?

SPEAKER_01 59:58

It's like under the table.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:00

Yeah, but people like, and we kind of tell them the story about you know Morgan and it I think it helped them too. But then when she got her endowment, then it became something else. And now we're doing like ceilings because I'm I'm you know, technically not sealed to my daughter, you know. And so um yeah, there's been lots of miracles and understandings with that whole situation. Um but yeah, it's like it I can't even explain. It's there's so she her and my ancestors are just everywhere. Yeah. And um uh I recently got engaged, and um and I've met her and she's fabulous in all the ways.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:51

I'm just so happy for you two, by the way. Congratulations.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:55

Yeah, we'll we'll do some ceiling sometimes, and and it kind of dawned on us like these people that we're helping are gonna help us to get married and help us in our relationship. And um, there's still been lots of obstacles I've had to overcome with still my past and and stuff, and every opportunity has just exhilarated and the miracles are just commonplace.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:26

Like I I have a whole lots, yes.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:32

I think the the cool thing I will say, and it and it's a cool thing, and I'm gonna say that it's a cool thing, and I can say it now because I've walked through the grief process for a hot second. But when you're talking about temple and family history work in the gathering, um, sometimes it's so removed from you, right? Yeah, oh, I'm doing work from my ancestors, but you don't know who they are, you don't know them in person, like you've never met them in this life. But when you have someone that you love and who are you you are so close to, they then transfer to the other side of the veil. The work takes on a whole different meaning and scope.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:09

Because now you know someone who's on the other side of the veil. And I've I've said over and over again in the podcast when you lose someone after you've gone through the grief process for a little bit, pray and ask specifically who is my loved one. So who is my daughter and son teaching and working with on the other side of the veil? Help me help them in their work. Yes. And that creates this bond that I have never before experienced, probably because it's working from both sides of the veil. And my relationship with my children and my father, who are on the other side of the veil, has just grown exponentially. My understanding of working with them and being a mother. Of two children that really didn't need all the tests and trials of life. They were needed on the other side of the veil because of the veracity of their testimony. And it was needed. So it's been um a very cool thing to watch that within my own efforts of the gathering and see it in a positive light instead of just grief-focused all of the time. But it does take a while for you to walk through that process.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:23

That's awesome. Um, because in Morgan's um her her cousin, Riley, was on a mission when she passed. And um the whole mission, uh Riley, when she came back, she I was kind of surprised. She spent a lot of her homecoming talk on how Morgan had helped her on her mission. And she said when she would be uh visiting with females, especially. And so I was like, that makes complete sense.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:52

Of course. You know, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:55

And you can feel you can kind of feel like with my with my dad, I get a little different thing, you know, but like, you know, I think different personalities, different strengths, different talents, gifts.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:06

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:06

And with Morgan's Patriarchal Blessing, it talks about her being on a mission. And she it's so interesting. It says, I was there with her when she got it. And um, and he he talked about her college education specifically. And then when she got her actual blessing, he had taken the college part out.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:30

Oh.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:31

Yeah. And I was like, wait, what I occasionally that happens, I I I'm aware. But um I thought that was interesting. And as I go back and read her patriarchal blessing, it says, when your time to choose to go on a mission comes, you will you will decide to do that.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:49

Wow.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:50

And so in the hospital, I knew when she had made that choice when it was, you know, I'm going on my mission, Dad, you know, and her patriarchal blessing is worded exactly how it happened.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:05

She went on her mission before she's 18. She said, well, never than that for sure.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:10

I teased my son, Morgan Venus. I I never I never went on a mission, but yeah, hopefully this could be part of my.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:17

Well, you are on. Well, that brings me to the last question. Um tell me then how this has all affected your testimony and Jesus Christ. How has it grown? And talking and speaking about missions, you have felt a return, you have felt a call to return to the prisons. So just finish, I guess, with your testimony of that and how that drew you back then to be a gatherer back into those who are in bondage on this side of the bell.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:48

Yeah, so my testimony is is Jesus Christ is the answer. I've been through rehabs. I've been diagnosed with many different mental health issues issues. And the gospel of Jesus Christ is the best rehab you can do. The most fulfilling. I mean, it might sound crazy, but I am so happy in my life right now. Um, and it's it's in here, it's like my capacity and to handle other problems, everything. It's all true. And um I've always felt this pull to do missionary work, but people who are struggling with any addiction, and we all have them. I remember going to so there's a 12-step program in the church, the addiction recovery program, and that's who I I go into the jail with now. But um, it's interesting in your book you have the steps of revelation, and there's 13, but really only 12. Because the last the last one is what what are the the different types of revelation that you get. So it was interesting that that there was 12. But um yeah, but I remember in one of the 12-step classes once uh when it first started a long time ago, we're all sitting there all depressed, we're facing jail time, and there's this old lady sitting down. And um, she goes, I I'm here because I have an addiction to Mountain Dew. And this was 1999, something like that. And and everyone's like, What? Yeah, you know, but as I thought about it, in her own head, that addiction was driving her crazy.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:47

Like everyone's pain is the probably the greatest to them.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:54

Is everyone's got great pain, you know? And I realized that, you know, that was probably really driving her nuts. And it kind of helped me look at things different. But um, yeah, I I was just in church and one of the um uh the war, one of the ward clerks just was passing out this flyer, like, you know that you can be uh still serve a mission if if a senior missionary could be over, I think it's 26 years old, and there's all kinds of ways you can serve. I'm like, do you think that we could use help like in the addiction recovery program? And he's like, Yeah, yeah, yeah. He told me to go to the state center, and I went there and it was all senior couples, and I'm like, ugh.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:38

I'm not quite this senior yet.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:40

But no, it was it was good, and they're like, Yeah, well, we could really use someone in the jail. And I'm like, You gotta be kidding me. There's no way they're gonna let me in there. I've been to that particular jail at least 20 times.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:53

Wow.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:55

And uh, and I'm uh but yeah, okay, I really felt it. Go through the application process and all that, and just so happens the guy in charge at the jail to let people in remembered me. And there was a little section where he could fill fill out why you want to go and stuff, and I think I'm guessing he was LDS, but um he felt good enough to let me in. And when I got that bad, that was my missionary tag. Wow, you know, yeah, and yeah, and uh and so I serve in the I'm a facilitator in the addiction recovery program, and um so I go into the jail and I'll help normally just the general addiction, but occasionally I'll go in and sit in with the um like the pornography and or sex problems, stuff like that. But um it's uh they're all the same principles, and I think the same principles for repentance apply to everybody. And um it's just crazy. And it's like Jesus walks those halls, it's so powerful, and I get to leave when I'm done.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:19

It's a new perspective, right? It's you know, that's the thing that I love about this work of the gathering, because of the work of the saviors Jesus Christ. He's all about redeeming, he's all about saving, he's all about gathering those who are lost, those who are bound in prison on either side of the veil.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:40

And when you open your heart up to the gathering in whatever way and form, and your life has taken many different forms on this side of the veil, in prison, out of prison. You now have a daughter who is intrinsically involved on that side of the veil. When we're talking about thinning of the veil experiences, they are they are necessary when we do gathering, especially freeing prison from prison on the other side of the veil.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:08

And I love, love, love that when you have the mission of the savior forefront in your mind all the time, all the different non-coincidences that you experience and the miracles and spiritual gifts that he gives you to do that, it makes you want to shout with joy because of the good news of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Thank you so much, my friend, for joining me today. Thank you. This is a special episode for both of us. Um, and like I said before, I think both of our Morgans were cheering us off. They're like, oh, my poor old parents, they have no idea what they're doing, but we're making it work.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:50

And never underestimate their reach, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:52

No, exactly. Exactly. And so I I've I've felt the spirit today. I'm grateful that you have been open and really reminded all of us to first of all not judge someone and their circumstances because you never know, and to always just keep in mind that the savior loves all, no matter what they look like, no what are no matter what the what the backdrop of their life story is. And really that there is redemption. And now you're a redeemer with a little R and a Savior with a little S as you move forward in that work.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:28

So Oh, do you I just something came to mind real quick that I thought you said in one of your podcasts lately about uh the term Elias and how you could that means it's like you could be a restorer.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:42

Well, I that really impressed me because I feel like everything in my life has been restored. And that's what's going on in my life. Everything's been restored. And then I think of the restoration and just repentance and uh how and it my I think my biggest testimony is like Jesus Christ can restore everything you've ever lost.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:09

Yeah. And then some.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:11

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:12

Yeah. And so it is interesting when you think about the different positions and roles and names of the savior that we can actually take upon us. You think about that in the sacrament every Sunday, we're taking his name. There's lots of different names that the savior uh is called. And it's interesting how each different person may be drawn to one specific name of the savior or not. So your story is powerful, my friend. Thank you again. And my friends, thank you so much for joining me on this first episode of this new season of the podcast. Literally, I think we're about two years in almost to the date, and there's new and good stuff happening. And again, thanks to Faith Creators Alliance for bringing me in and helping me with this new phase. I hope you'll join me tomorrow about a story, Thursday, the Gathering Academy, and then again, Friday and happy Father's Day. This was on purpose, obviously, because of fathers and the power that they have in raising their children to understand and know that the Savior is there and that there is power within us as we uh bind ourselves to Him. So thanks again for joining me. Have a great day. Bye.