THINNING OF THE VEIL

She Had a Dream- Her Friend Needed Her — Then a Miracle Happened: Discussion with Ricelli Mordecai

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What if someone on the other side of the veil is waiting for you to notice them?
In this episode, Tia sits down with Ricelli Mordecai, who shares the remarkable story of a dream that changed everything — her best friend, who had passed away, appeared to her asking for her temple work to be done. What happened after Ricelli chose to act on that dream is nothing short of a miracle, and a powerful reminder that those who have passed are still watching over — and waiting on — us.
This conversation is also a masterclass in how to recognize personal revelation — Ricelli and Tia dig into the many ways the gift of revelation shows up in our lives: through dreams, promptings, feelings, and quiet nudges we sometimes overlook. Whether you're hoping to better understand your own dreams and promptings, or you're simply curious what it looks like when heaven reaches across the veil to guide us, this episode offers real, faith-building answers.
If you've ever wondered whether your loved ones on the other side are aware of your covenant work — or how to better recognize personal revelation in your own life — this episode is for you.


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SPEAKER_00

So then tell me then a little bit about you started to get excited about the gathering and you're starting to understand the technology a little bit better. What kind of started happening to you?

SPEAKER_02

Um I think it goes back to the gift of uh dreams and and inspiration. The reason why I reached out to you was because of an experience that I had about a few years ago, actually. Um I had a friend that we grew up together, and uh my friend passed away uh at an earlier age, and I had a dream about this friend. And and at that point, I was already having dreams. So to set the foundation for this experience, I think that what's very important is that once I started seeing the correlation between some dreams and what the Lord had for me, uh that helped make things more recognizable, if you will.

SPEAKER_00

And she is from Brazil, and she has one of those stories that I think will help a lot of people because I think a lot of people are in her similar situation in trying to gather Israel in difficult ways. So thank you for joining me, Richely. I'm excited. We became fast friends. Uh it's like meeting a kindred spirit, and when that happens, it's awesome.

SPEAKER_02

It was it felt like a place of belonging. Your podcast for me felt like a place of belonging.

SPEAKER_00

It's wonderful. And we and you reached out on social media, right?

SPEAKER_02

I did. So I the first podcast that I listened to, I was at the gym and I I don't know how your podcast came up. And I was one of those days that I'm like, I need to listen to something that will help me. And it was your interview with Brad Wilcox.

SPEAKER_01

Yes.

SPEAKER_02

I loved that podcast because he was talking about the Temple Garments and Covenants, and um, and for me, it was just like a light switch, especially right now where when we have what I call the workout garments. And uh, and I'm like, this is just this is just great. And then it was like listening to one, and the next one came, and the next one, and I'm like, I'm hooked. So I remember in one particular day you said, if you have any experiences like this, reach out to me. And I talked to my husband about it. He was like, Don't. I'm like, no, I said I it's not like I want to be featured at anything. I just want to talk to a person that gets me because I I'm living these things. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Well, and I'm grateful. I think that's um probably the big question when people have experiences and they hear the podcast and I encourage a reaching out of sorts. It's all this big question should I, shouldn't I? So I am so grateful that you followed that because what I've I've testified of these things over and over again that when I hear other people's testimonies, it strengthens mine. And heaven knows we need all the strengthening we can get from each other. And what I found in your story was just quite extraordinary. And I mean, this happened fairly quickly, and I thought her story needs to be told. And I'm grateful that you were willing to come on and testify. And I think your story kind of begins way back, kind of in your family, and how that came to be, because I think that sets the stage and tone for the rest of what we're going to talk about today.

SPEAKER_02

I it's it's interesting that you just said that because when you said it came from your story and for your family. And immediately I'm like, oh my gosh, that is how my grandma came into the gospel of Jesus Christ through the same gift of the spirit that I have now.

SPEAKER_00

So why don't you tell us a little bit then about how your grandmother, because I know she's important to you. We've talked in great depth about her meaning and her what she did for you in her life. And I think maybe to a certain extent, she passed on, as I believe that they can, some spiritual gifts that she had to you as you're exemplifying some of those. So tell us a little bit about her and her gifts.

SPEAKER_02

My grandmother, her name is Zilda, and she grew up in the Catholic Church in Brazil, very devoted Catholic. And uh, she had the moment in her life, and I would probably say her early 20s, where she was looking for something more. Um, and the story as it was told by her, she had a dream about two American guys that carried this big black thing under their arm, and there was an explanation for that for people that joined the church the church in the 70s. And uh, and she had never seen Americans before, aside from Western movies. And uh she was, I think a week or so later, she was in her front porch cutting green beans, her favorite vegetable ever, and she heard a knock on the neighbor's door, and she went over there to tell them that the neighbors were not home. And she recognized the missionaries from her dream, and she said, They're not home, and you're at the wrong house. You have to come to my house. Because she had dreamed of all them. That black thing was a flannel thing that they used back in the 70s to put pictures for the discussions, for missionary discussions. And uh they were like, Oh, is your family home? And she was like, No, it's just me. And they were like, I can't come in, it's just you. They came later, and uh, later on, they came to her house within a short period of time. My grandma, my mother, who was at 11 at the time, and my great grandma got baptized. And a few months later, my great-grandpa, my great uncle, who was my grandma's brother, but very closer in age to my mom and her brother, and my mom's brother, my uncle got uh uh got baptized as well. A story of it itself. But I'm so grateful that we started this with a prayer. And and as soon as you said my story, it was brought to my remembrance like my grandma had the gift of dreams, and I have been blessed with this gift.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and I think that's what extra what's extraordinary to me is that when we're talking about the gathering of Israel and how much we mean to the Lord, a lot of times it can come in many miraculous, revelatory ways. And I hear over and over again on the gathering of Israel on this side of the veil, that they are prepared through some spiritual manifestation to accept the gospel of Jesus Christ, whether it's through dreams or visions or a prompting, however it comes. But I would I would generally say I'm hearing more about how dreams are bringing people into the gospel on this side of the veil, which should then we should pay attention to because then that also extends to those on the other side of the veil. So you grew up in kind of um a convert household. I mean, you weren't necessarily a convert, but you were influenced by these humble women who had been brought into the gospel in miraculous ways. Tell me about your upbringing and what they testified of to you. What was the normal conversation?

SPEAKER_02

That's an interesting thing because my family, I feel like it was extreme when it came to the gospel. So I grew up with stories of my great-grandpa saying, I'm watering the the orchard like twice on a Saturday before midnight. You have to pick something because tomorrow is the day of the Lord. And if you need a tomato, you're not gonna get it, right? I had that side of my family. Um, my great-grandmother and my grandmother were very, very strong in the gospel. Um, my great-grandmother, it's so interesting about my grand great-grandfather. The reason why the missionaries were able to bring him into the church were by asking him what was important to him. And the most important thing to him was my great-grandmother, Alice. And the missionary said, Well, you can only be with her forever if you get married in a temple. And otherwise, you're gonna die and you're not gonna have her. He joined the church because of that. But here's the interesting thing: the temple in Brazil wasn't built until 10 years later. But that is what moved him. She died on um June 24th, 1988, a year later, at the same exact day, after 24 hours in coma, he opened his eyes, he said her name, and he passed away the same exact day. And I remember them because I was nine and ten. And and I remember, I remember scriptures. I remember being involved in serving in the in the church. I remember my great-grandfather who couldn't read or write, the only calling that he has ever had was to pass the sacrament. And until he died on a Sunday, until the Sunday before that he died with cancer, my uncle would aid him as he passed the sacrament because that was his priesthood responsibility. So that is the family that I grew up in. And uh, interesting enough, about my family in terms of context, uh, years later, my mom was visiting here with me in the States, and she found a missionary that introduced them to the gospel but didn't got to see them being baptized. And I remember this missionary was inactive at that point, thinking that his mission hadn't turned out to be anything. And he asked about a particular uncle of me, and he said, What happened with that uncle of yours that had the long hair and the crazy motorcycle and the crazy girlfriend? And my mom said he got married in a temple. Uh, he was a stake president and his children served missions, and we were all sealed in the gospel. So that was my family. But then we come back to these other parts of the other part of the topic in your question, which is the gifts of the spirit. I feel like I didn't really understand what personal revelation was until I met a wonderful bishop about 15 years ago in California, Bishop Blocker. Um, and Bishop Blocker was helping my husband and I fix our marriage. And he explained to us it and he taught us the concept of inspiration, a repeated thought comes into your mind. All those things that I had heard about by listening to Elder Scott, but hadn't really clicked. So that became a norm for me about 15 years ago. I have a book where I write everything down, but then we get into dreams. I found out recently that I have an inability to imagine. I really can't. If you say to me, think of a black cat, I I understand what you're saying, but I can't come up with that picture in my mind. And talking to my husband, psych major, and I'm like, now I understand why the Lord has to give me dreams, because it's giving me the image that I can form on my own that propels certain things. And not every dream I understand right away, but that is kind of like my journey, and which I think it's important because it's easy for me to say I was born into the church, but I have become a covert to different principles of the gospel as I exercised faith, as I discovered what gifts I had as a uh as as I I took heed to what Heavenly Father was showing to me as I wrote it down and as I practice more because we need to practice spiritual experiences to be in tune with that and understand what it is.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. It's it is interesting to me how similar we really are, because I would say probably in my late 30s, I wasn't understanding revelation. I was going through, and I've I've told this experience on the podcast before, but how I was struggling in my marriage, struggling in my role as a mother. I was not comprehending what I was supposed to do, and it was getting very, very difficult. And it was a time where I didn't, it wasn't, it wouldn't just be nice. I actually needed revelation. And I started studying the pattern and the principles that went along with it, probably just like you were at the time. I need to hear your voice, I need your help, but I need specifics. I need to know specifically what to do for me in my situation. And I remember walking through that and studying. And one of the things that you mentioned in spiritual gifts is recording. To me, that was a game changer. As I first of all gave time and space to listen to the answers, because I think sometimes when we're praying and seeking and asking, we just go along our merry way and don't give this um God space to speak back to us or listen. And so it was in that space that I started recording. And it was interesting because after I started recording, that's when I started having more revelatory experiences as I got involved in the gathering. And I recognized them because I think the growth in my spiritual kind of seeking for revelation, I was at that point that I could now have him speak to me in many different ways because I had the basic of understanding the Holy Ghost and then expanding on those spiritual gifts. As you were talking in your family about how you were raised, what was the importance of the temple? Was and and was it important in the gathering of Israel? Clearly, when, as you say you were converted, we are all, we all have to be converts in the church. But as your parents and grandparents were then converted, clearly there was a lot of temple and family history work to be done. What did that look like in your family? Was it talked about at all? And I, you know, the temple obviously didn't get there for a while.

SPEAKER_02

So tell me a little bit about some parts, I think. Uh, and we're talking about pre-app that we can go and find things and be so excited about. I have an experience I'm gonna share with you off camera of like finding something that my husband, somebody that my husband is related to. I'm like, isn't that great? We can just open and be like, wow, I might not be anybody in 2026, but had I been born in 950, or whatever the case might be. So um I think that there's two parts to gathering Israel. I think that we need to gather on this side and on the other side, right? Right. And my grandmother, Zilda, who had the dream of other missionaries, she has brought so many people to the gospel. It was because of her, you know, people that became bishops later on, and not that the the titles or callings validate the quality, but my grandma brought a lot of people to the gospel. And uh, and she it and she did that with people that didn't have the gospel, and she'll be like, that's how we live. My family once once they joined the church, the church became everything to them. If family from outside town uh outside of town came to visit with them and it was a Sunday, they would say, You're welcome to come to church with us, but we are going. So those things were part of how I lived. The church was always important. Uh, going to the temple was always very important. And for most of my life, the closest temple was six hours away because I'm from Rio and Sao Paulo is the closest temple. So six, seven hours away. My grandmother, she had clothes that she would wear from the dressing place of like the dorms of the temple to the temple just for that short walk because it was important to her that she had her best clothing, that she had everything that was special because she was entering the house of the Lord. And I grew up with a desire to be in a temple. The first time that I remember being in a temple, because I was born, my parents got sealed, if I'm not mistaken, in January of 79. And I was born in April. I wanted to go to a temple. And for my eighth birthday, I said I want to go to the temple. I wanted to see the temple. And I was seeing the pictures the other day, and I'm like, I remember just browsing around, like running free in the temple when my mom was inside just because I wanted to be in the grounds of the temple. So that was always very important to me. But when it comes to family genealogy, what happened was something very dear to my heart, which happened years later. I have a great aunt on my dad's side of the family, and you know, my father joined the church, my father left the church, but he had an aunt that became the historian for the Brazilian government. And right before she died, she had researched our family history and she found the link between our genealogy and the genealogy of Brazil. So right before she died, she gave my brother 19 generations and said, This is for you. And I know that she was inspired because uh spiritual experiences happened between that individual and the person that received the records later on. But that opened up for me what became a fascination with before. I have become literally fascinated, fascinated with what am I related to? Like one more, what what is my story? Um, and uh and the church has made an immense investment in and effort into making those things available. But that became gradual for me. I I never looked at I back with primary exercises of write down to your fourth generation. I'm like, yeah, I can ask them. They are in, you know, they're in Sunday school right now. Let me ask her. And I because I had my great-grandparents with me. And and that's what we did back when we were young. It was us, our parents, our grandparents, and great-grandparents. Yeah. So for me, everything was done because that was my view of genealogy as a child. Yes. Later on, it became different, right? With with some of those resources. But missionary work was always something that was very important to my family. And for that, I'm I'm very grateful because now I understand that there is missionary work that has to be done on the other side. But then the idea that angels can minister to you from the other side to help you.

SPEAKER_00

I love the spirit of the gathering. When we're talking about the gathering, it has an essence to it, it has a power to it, that it doesn't matter whether you're gathering on this side of the veil or the other side of the veil. There's inherent powers that come with that and also spiritual gifts that come with that and revelatory experiences. And you're right, back when we were doing genealogy, I mean, we I watched my grandma, bless her soul, toil and toil over family history and have to go hundreds of miles away just to find the records. I come in, you know, here in this generation and finally start getting interested in it because I really wasn't interested in the big, heavy book like this size. Remember. With the four generations. I'm like, haven't I already did that last year in primary? Why am I doing this again? It just was not clicking with me. But as I got older, and thankfully the church, you're right, has invested an extreme amount of resources in Family Search. The fact that you can go on your phone and literally just push the button is incredible in so many different ways. And I think that's the kind of the gateway to understanding that there's more out there and that you don't have to just use the app or Family Search itself, that when you work within the spirit, you can also do it more effectively and efficiently and work with God in that. The same as, you know, those who pray to have to know who needs help on this side of the bell in missionary work. And a name will come to them. And maybe we don't know what caused those missionaries to knock on that door. Who, who knows? Maybe it was a revelatory experience. But in that moment, they were in the right place at the right time, and that's not coincidental. So then tell me then a little bit about you started to get excited about the gathering and you're starting to understand the technology a little bit better. What kind of started happening to you?

SPEAKER_02

Um I think it goes back to the gift of uh dreams and and inspiration. The reason why I reached out to you was because of an experience that I had about a few years ago, actually. Um, I had a friend that we grew up together, and uh my friend passed away uh at an earlier age, and I had a dream about this friend. And and at that point, I was already having dreams. So to set the foundation for this experience, I think that what's very important is that once I started seeing the correlation between some dreams and what the Lord had for me, uh that helped make things more recognizable, if you will. So I have this dream about this friend, and uh, and I'm like, okay, that's interesting. And then throughout that day, it was literally like that friend was around me, like a lot. Now, granted, that family, that that friend did not join the church when we were younger, and I was inviting that friend to church activities and all these things, right? And uh and and the thought came to me so clear, like, I want to join your church. And I remember feeling like what pushed it aside. Then I went about my day. I remember as if it was yesterday, and then it was like, you need to help me join your church. And then I started talking to the friend, right? I'm like, this is so you. I mean, what you met the missionaries over there, and you're like, oh yeah, I'll pick this one right now. I've changed religion so many times in my life. That's another one. And and then I pushed it aside. And then I went with my son to the gym, and I'm driving back home, and I hear again, like, seriously, I I need to join the church. I've accepted the gospel. But I I forgot that my son was next to me. And I remember saying, Look, don't complicate my life. You had your chance. I took you to church activities. Do you understand how hard this is gonna be? And my husband, my son looks at me and he says, Mom, are you talking to yourself? I'm like, Well, you see, let me tell you what happened. And once I shared that with him, he said, Mom, he described my friend to a T. He said, Is your does your friend has this type of personality? I said, Yes. He said, She wants you to know that if you reach out to this particular family member of hers, they will give the approval. Wow. And I'm like, Okay, this is this is big. Well, it wasn't easy. Yes, I knew the friend's date of birth. I knew the date of death because I was notified of it right away. Um, I knew how to reach out to family members, but there's still the fact that this is somebody who is not related to me.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

So, first with me, and I think that this is why your podcast has become a place of belonging to me. I'm like, who can I share this experience with? This is so magical.

SPEAKER_01

Well, since this is a church thing and administrative, let's call headquarters and tell them that I got a special approval from the other side of the veil to do this particular thing.

SPEAKER_00

That would be so awesome. Right.

SPEAKER_02

And they're like, uh bless her heart. That sister, she was like, I understand. Uh, you still need to do all this paperwork. I'm like, no, you don't get it. Yeah. I had this spiritual experience. I understand, but that's not how it works. So, and and then I remembered a sister saying very clearly to me, she said, it this is an if it might not be approved, but if it gets approved, it might take about six months to a year. Two days have passed, the same thing with my friend saying, I want to join your church. And I'm like, I did my part. If this is important to you, I want you to talk to the powers from above, literally over there, and have have them talk to Salt Lake City because this is out of my hands.

SPEAKER_00

So can I ask you just really quickly, what is the process? Because I know there's a lot of people out there who have had similar experiences that you have, and they're not related, at least that they know of, and they have to go through this process. Walk me through the process for two.

SPEAKER_02

You have to submit the name to Salt Lake City and you have to submit the signature of the the closest uh relative that it's approving of the work. Okay. Otherwise, it can't be done. Okay. Yeah. So it's so because the house of the Lord is a house of order, and and that's how things need to to work. But you go with excitement of spiritual things, which which it in in hindsight for me is very interesting that how many of us are having those experiences we share with somebody, even at church, and they're like, I would say many.

SPEAKER_00

That's the normal response.

SPEAKER_02

Which is why your podcast for me, and and you remember when I reached out to you, I said, I just want to talk to somebody who gets me.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Um, so literally six days later, the name popped up and it was approved. Wow. So I'm like that is way sooner. So I went to the temple. Now, let's I do not have the gift of visions. I've never seen anything. I have felt things, I have several situations and experiences, one that I feel is important to share but later on. But I have never seen anything. So I'm like going to the temple and thinking, this is gonna be great. Maybe today is the day that I'm gonna get this gift because I followed the prompting. I did everything. This is important to her. I got baptized on her behalf. Squintching my eyes like this, squinting my eyes like don't see anything.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

But then something very interesting happened after, which was when uh I was to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost on her behalf. Now let's prephrase by saying the following On this earth, when somebody receives the gift of the Holy Ghost, usually a blessing is bestowed upon that person too. And the temple is very next, next, it's very ordinance ready. Yeah. So as soon as I had received the gift of the Holy Ghost on her behalf and I sat down, I heard her blessing. And the blessing was I bless you with discernment to continue on this path and moving forward as other voices will try to distract you and pull you away from the decision you have today made.

SPEAKER_00

Wow.

SPEAKER_02

And I'm like, this is so her. She accepted the gospel. Maybe she believes she has a testimony, maybe she got excited, but there are other people preach preaching other things in the spirit world too. So when I heard that, I'm like, wow, this is very, very interesting. So when I heard that, I told my husband, I'm like, what does this even mean? You know, and and my husband's like, Wow, I don't know, it sounds pretty self-explanatory. She received the the gospel, but she's gonna have to continue to move forward in her path of faith. I don't know how long after that I had another dream about her. And in this dream, I was visiting with her at her house, at her parents' house. And I remember throughout the dream looking and thinking, like, how do I tell her that she's not supposed to be here because she's dead? I remember that very clearly. To the point that I pulled her aside and I said, Um, you know, I'm happy you're here, but you know you're dead, right? And she said, Yeah, I know, but I just wanted to see you. And I said, Okay. And then we went about the dream and and, you know, we were hanging out with her family. And I said, Um, so now what? She said, now you have to leave because it's getting dark and this place is getting dangerous. Why was that dream significant? Because the area that she grew up in has become progressively more dangerous. But in this dream, she said, I'm gonna call you a car, and this car is gonna be able to take you to the gate. This gate that separated the area that she lived in and the area that I had to go to, which will be essentially me going to my childhood home. There is no gate that I know of in that area. This guy picks me up and he said, I know that you're afraid. You don't have to be afraid of me. When you get to the gate, you need to hold this key, show them this key. You're I'm gonna open the car door, the gate is gonna open really fast, and you can go away, but the people that are here cannot leave. So then again, I wake up from that and I'm like, What does this mean?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And talking to my husband, the spirit witnessed to me that um, though she had received the gospel, she was not ready to enter the temple yet. Okay, and I had the key that could get me out of that situation. So I made a decision at that point. I'm like, I got her baptized, but she's not ready for her endowments and to go through initiatory and all of these other things. So we go through that experience with me essentially talking to her as she would come to my mind, and I'll say, You're not ready. When you're ready, you tell me. Haven't you figured out everything up to this point? You tell me, I'll get it done. Yeah. A few months go by, I go to the temple, I open my tempo bag, and I see several names and I see hers. And I'm about to go into initiatory, and I held the paper as I'm changing and uh Saratoga Springs Tample. And I looked at it and I called her by name and I said, Look, you are not ready. Unless you show it to me that you're ready, it's not gonna happen. I folded a paper, put it inside my bag, take my other names, do all the initiatories. One, two, three, four random names. The fifth name was hers, as I am in the initiatory. And I'm like, Wow, you're ready because somehow you got the paper that was inside my bag into my bare hand right now. No, that's not what happened. There are two printed temple cards of hers. Heavens know how, because I went, I'm at that point, I'm super curious. We know miracles happen at the temple. But I'm thinking logistically, how did this one happen? And with one in my pocket, because I asked them, I said I need to do endowments for this person as well. I opened my bag, I opened the name, I and I'm like, there were two names. And I felt her saying, I found a way. I'm ready for this.

SPEAKER_00

Do you remember how you talked in the beginning where you testified that it's it's a conversion process for all of us? Well, it is no different for them on the other side of the bell. And we think that they immediately accept everything that they're being taught and told when we can't expect that of them on the other side. Yes, there are some who, I believe, willingly accept all and say, yes, yes, yes, I'm all in. But then their part of the pattern is that others would also then walk through that and have to be taught step by step and accept it step by step. The the work of the gathering on this side of the well always echoes the pattern on the other side. And so your friend who trusted you clearly, who you knew inside and out, was able to really come through this through the use of many different gifts of the spirit and let you know the process that she was involved in. And eventually she got to that place and point where she was able to get that testimony for herself and she was ready. And I think it's just extraordinary because sometimes, most of the time, that doesn't happen. We go in and we take a name and we do the ordinance, and sometimes we feel like they're there and they're excited about it, and sometimes we don't feel anything, but it's very rare when we actually get to experience their experience as they are having it on the other side of the bell. And that's what I loved about the story. As you started trusting your dreams more and trusting that the Lord was teaching you in those dreams, I have very similar spiritual gifts. I dream a lot. And Heavenly Father really blesses me with information, not only just for those on the other side of the bell, but also in my current situation in my life and teaches me in that way. Um, so tell me a little bit more then about how your spiritual gift has helped you in your life and how has that then also expanded on more spiritual experiences in the gathering?

SPEAKER_02

Um, I I almost feel like the answer is that I needed to be gathered in a sense, right? Because when we talk about spiritual gifts, I I it saddens me that sometimes we're going to a testimony meeting and those are not the conversations that people are testifying about, the the the things that are happening in their lives that are that there are faith-building experiences that people need. Um, and it saddens me because miracles haven't ceased.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Right? I I that scripture in the uh that talks about have miracles ceased. No, they haven't seized. What has happened is that people don't believe that those things are happening anymore. Because we don't talk about it. Because we don't talk about it. And when you do, people look at you and they are like, so why do you think that that happened to you? So with Bishop Walker since 2012, when he was talking to us about inspiration, he encouraged us to write it down. And I remember that the first thing that I actually wrote down was in August of 2013. And that particular thing that I that happened as a revelatory moment between me and my husband, that I wrote it down, hasn't happened yet. And it's the very first record on that book that is almost completely full. It's it's this thick. And and what I started doing was to practice what I was being given. So the Lord talks to me through uh thoughts, the Lord talks to me through songs, the Lord talks to me through dreams. But understanding what they mean, because I also have dreams that make no sense, right? Right last night I had a dream. I told my husband about the dream, and he was like, uh, good, that means nothing. Please don't talk about that to help people with their faith because this one means nothing. And I'm like, but don't you think? And he was like, this one sounds, and it's not like I rely on him to interpret because this is another gift as well. Sometimes he's able to tell me, sometimes I'm able to tell the same thing to him. He has had experiences that I look at him, I'm like, you know that this is from the spirit, huh? And he was like, No, I'm like, this means this, this means that. But Joseph had this gift in the Bible. Some people have, some people don't have. But here's what I find very important, and I hope everybody hearkens to this part. The spirit will let you know when somebody is giving you feedback on something, if that is from the spirit or not, which we need to rely on the Holy Ghost to understand the gifts that we are given and to see if that is correct. So those experiences of hearing the voice of the Lord, what I started doing was to write everything down. What happens, however, is that in my excitement, I have put my own interpretation into things. And when my interpretation didn't happen, I'm like, I got it wrong. This is not the right thing. And that was a faith-dimming experience. And and with my personality type, and obviously I this is what I do for a living, so it's easy to put in context with that, but I'm very like either I'm at no speed at all or I'm at 100 miles per hour. So when I saw that some things were not correct, I'm like, don't want to do this anymore. I shouldn't interpret anything. And the spirit said, That's not what I said. Just don't put the trust on your interpretation because when your interpretation doesn't happen, you're saying that things were incorrect. So I started seeing these things. And then I started seeing a reoccurring theme with the dreams that are out of the norm. So, for example, yes, I was thinking about coming here and talking to you. So it's very possible that the dream that I had yesterday was influenced by this. However, this dream is about somebody in a very particular set of events that don't necessarily align with this. Because one thing, and it goes with dreams and it goes with inspiration as well. When you think about something and that is a thought that interrupts your current thinking, you need to give heed to that, either to understand if that is from the adversary, because some crazy thoughts come, especially as we are, right? Yep. I'm like, that's not me, and this is a crazy thought. So then you put that aside right away. It's not me, and it's crazy, or it's bad, or the fruits of that are not fruits of the spirit. Yeah. Then you have things that are worthy, but they are things that can come from you. Like, for example, if I'm hungry and then I see an advertisement for food for like a hamburger, for example, I'm like, oh, I'm gonna have a hamburger. Was that an inspiration? It was a chain of events. But when it's a thought that comes out of nowhere, that is when I started paying attention to the same with dreams. So what I but but what I have uh that I think it's important about dreams, and we can expand on that however you like. For me, it's very important that I write it down one way or another. So in my journal, you'll see I for inspiration, D for dream, S for song, right? And that's the pattern in which I review things. And I write it down because in the scriptures we hear the Lord saying, hearken, hearken to the voice of the Lord. Remember, remember. And I'm only gonna remember if I write things down.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Right. Yeah. But one of the the dear experiences that I have had recently, right before my surgery, I mentioned to you, I I have had to have a very uh big, significant surgery. I had prayed to ask the Lord if I if I had to do that surgery and nothing. And my thing with the Lord has always been that it's until the last minute that He's gonna show me something.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_02

Until the last minute, and it has happened so many times that my husband would say, You don't even want to ask him, I'm like, No, it's gonna take the it's gonna be the last minute. I don't even know the last minute. I don't want to be disappointed with not hearing. But but then remembering what Elder Scott said, like it's it gonna be a yes or no or nothing, and you need to move forward with the best possible option that you have. And that's the the experience that is most recent to me. That um the day before my surgery, I took my youngest to the temple and we did uh confirmations. And as we were leaving confirmations, a very clear scripture came to my mind. Again, the spirit is gonna bring to us that which we have studied. And I said to him, Matteo, is that okay if we just sit here so I can read scriptures? He said, Okay, mommy. And I'm reading the scripture, and from one scripture to another, the Lord talking to me, the Lord talking to me. Long story short, we come back home, he leaves the car, and as soon as he left the car, I had a blessing bestowed on me from the other side of the veil.

SPEAKER_03

And I open my phone to write it down as fast as I can. And the Lord said, Your days will not be numbers short, along with other things that the Lord said to me in that blessing last minute the day before. And I go inside the house, I tell my husband about it. My husband was like, Wow, and I'm like, Would you give me a blessing right now with oil for my surgery? And he said, The oil is for healing. You're you don't need a healing because you haven't undergone the surgery. And he said something that really touched my heart. He said, You have received a blessing from the other side of the veil. I'm inadequate to do anything because you have already received this. And that was the third or fourth time in my life that I received a blessing from the other side of the veil. Some of them, it starts with my name.

SPEAKER_02

Some of them have been given in Portuguese. This one was given in English, and I didn't know who had given me that blessing until I think a week or so ago, as I talked to a friend. And I'm like, who loves me enough that has died and speaks English or would prefer to speak English to give me that blessing and the Lord conveyed to me who it was. And I write it down. Yeah. Because until we receive more, we need to live by the last thing that the Lord has given us. But I have misinterpreted things, and and I'm so grateful for this surgery for a few reasons. Once you go under anesthesia, your mind goes blank at that moment. And when I came out of anesthesia, very clear thoughts about dreams that I have had came to me explaining things to me. And it was like, wow, my mind is not bothered by all the heaviness of running businesses and doing all those other things that I do. And the Lord was able to speak to me, right? And I remember coming off of some of that. And I told my husband, I said, Remember that dream about this particular number that we thought was a date. I said, it was not a date. It was mark of years about this particular person in our family. This is what this number means. This is what those two numbers mean. This is what this other number means. And he said, Wow, that makes sense. I said, Yes. But I wrote it down. Yeah. Even if I misunderstood at that time. 100%. Because at that time, and it it's there's nothing about this particular number that means anything to anybody, but the numbers were, it was a very clear sign within the dream, 8125. And I remember thinking, my gosh, okay, the uh August 12th, 2025, and this was early in 2025. And August 12th, 2025 came and gone and went without anything significant, but it wasn't August 12, 2025, or August, uh, it wasn't August 1st, 2025, because it was 8, 1, 2, 5. It was the number 8 as that person was eight years old, the number 12 as that person was 12 years old, and the number five, that person was five years old. I understood it here. So if I hadn't written down, or if I had to, if I had written down like this means exactly this, I would have been disappointed. But the Lord has helped me throughout the years to understand, I want you to seek information, but don't bank on your interpretation, because if your interpretation doesn't happen, you will then feel like me, God, I'm I'm I gave you something wrong. And the Lord is never wrong.

SPEAKER_00

We are, wow, we are so similar in so many different ways. Even the year 2012, seriously, that's when my journey started. And for me, the biggest change was writing it, writing it down in real time, not just trying to remember it after, but writing down the impressions, the words. Words come to me frequently, and I write them down, and I have several books this thick. And something cool that my husband taught me. And it was in this process where where I was told you need to you need to write a book. And I'm like, I can't, I can't write a book. I'm literally a housewife. I have a year of college behind me, right? You need to call it patterns of revelation. And I thought, I love it, I don't, I don't even know how to do this. But I knew that, I mean, I had studied and studied and studied, right? And I had seen the pattern where it says in the scripture, and the voice of the Lord came into me saying, It is literally not the Lord standing in front of them, say, write this down, this word, then this word, then this word. It's the words coming to their mind, and they are recording it in real time, and that's how we have scriptures. My stake president at the time, bless his soul. I love him dearly, and they're coming home from their uh mission presidents in New Jersey, uh, Carla and Mario Durant. But I was sharing with him what was happening to me, and he clarified, he said, You are creating the small plates of Tia. Those are direct revelations from God, and they're your own small plates, your own Leahona that you now can carry around. And my husband said, You can't review revelation that you can't remember. That was I love that was a piece of revelation that was given to him. So we started putting it in Word document, not just writing it, but in a Word document, either on your computer or on your phone, you can actually search out a keyword. Like for instance, if I'm looking at a calling or if I'm looking, I need help from a child. You type that in the find button and it will bring up years and years and years of revelations that Heavenly Father has given me pertaining to that child. And suddenly I don't have to worry, but it's if I had not written it down, I would not have had access to that. And you're right, a lot of times I have put interpretations into um revelation that he's given me, and man. That sets you back. You're like, wait a second, do I not know how to receive revelation? Because I thought that I did.

SPEAKER_02

Did I get it wrong?

SPEAKER_00

Did I get it wrong? You know, and I think there's so many people out there that are seeking to understand revelation. Um, and for me, it seems like in the formula, in the pattern as I studied it, the one thing that helped me hear even more in your right, my name is mentioned so many times and is followed by my daughter. Tia, my daughter, over and over again, because he wants me to know first that he knows my name and that he is aware of me and he calls me by my name. And secondly, he wants me to be aware of the relationship that I have with him. That's first and foremost before any other revelation comes. Now, when I were when we're talking then about those on the other side of the veil and the revelation that comes, I understand the interpretation of how he feels about them because of the revelation that he's given me for me, and vice versa. And that's the wonderful thing. That's why family history is the multiplier in the family in the pattern of revelation. It's the most underused, underrated part of the formula. People think I don't have time to do family history. Uh, it's not a part of my life right now. When you are seeking for revelation on behalf of someone else, it seems to become, it seems to come clearer and faster than any other yearning and expectation of searching and seeking for revelation.

SPEAKER_02

And I and I think it's important to to look at that from the perspective of ministering angels. Yeah. We we live in a world. Um, I I remember talking to you and saying, and you you were saying Satan knows that he's running out of time. Yeah. You know, and and um my grandma, who is the person, you know, the pioneer in our family, should join the church a few months ago. It was close to midnight. I was scrolling my phone and looking at reels or whatever it is that I was looking at. And I saw her in my mind very clearly the details of her hands, her I can't even describe it. I I can't, I can't recollect that because it was so real. And I heard her voice saying to me the same thing that she said to me when I was younger, and I should have been going to sleep, and I didn't. She said my name and she said, Stop doing this. You need you have work tomorrow. Go to bed. And I said, I said, if it's you, can you just scratch my head and put me to sleep?

SPEAKER_03

And I slept with her smell, and I slept with the details of her face. And I said, and it was the last thing that I had said to her when she was already not doing well and she was about to pass away, and and I saw her on camera because she was in Brazil, and I said to her, I said, when you get over there, can you please ask to be my ministering angels? Because I have so many things that I need help with. And it will be nice if you can help me with them. And I'm grateful for these things because when the Lord has a purpose for us and we seek after these gifts, they will help us uh feel more connected with who we truly are. If this life is a school, sometimes this life feels like a dorm with cockroaches and I don't like it.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And and and I just want to learn my lesson. And one of the things that I've learned through those gifts is that the Lord is more concerned with who I become than with what I get. The Lord gave me a revelation in January of 2013 that he said was gonna happen in 10 years, and it was on the last minute, last minute, the last day of the last minute of 2023, that I'm like, wow, I got this wrong.

SPEAKER_02

Wow, this doesn't happen, this didn't happen. And I had a dream. And the Lord said, I didn't say that you will get this, I said that you will get the equivalent or the level of this. And in the dream, he said, I I was talking to a friend and I asked her, What is this equivalent of? And she gave me an answer that as soon as I woke up, now it's 1st of January 2024, I called a friend and she gives me the exact answer that she had given me in the dream. And the Lord said, Had you not understood this way, you had not, you would have not become who you became in 11 years. And that became very clear to me that the Lord wants my becoming, and my becoming is more than what I'm gonna get on this earth, and that is the gift that He has used to help me throughout my journey.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and I think in part of that becoming, becoming kings and queens and priests and priestesses, and even sons and daughters, that is a holy title as well to our Heavenly Father, in really wanting us to come home and wanting us to be in that family nuclear, that patriarchal order tied to them and bound to them in our heavenly home, that he uses angels on both sides of the veil. That's why ministering is so important. That's why it's so important when you receive a revelation to take flowers to someone on this side of the veil, that you do it because you are the emissary for the Lord in that minute, and that's what they need to acknowledge that God is in their life and allows them to still become who they are meant to become. It is no different than on the other side of the veil. And at different times, I believe we have different ministering angels in different situations. I think, though, that most of the time they are people that know us, that love us, that know our weaknesses, that know our strengths, and their hearts. This isn't just our hearts turning to them, their hearts are also turning to us. We live in a day and age where Satan is raging and it's not fun. And this week for me, and maybe it's because this conversation was going to happen, but I'm telling you, yesterday was one of the worst days um that I have experienced in a long time. And I thought, man, I'm just gonna quit. I'm gonna give up. This doesn't matter. Um, and then you sit in that Satan's voice, because that's the rage of the voice, you get the still small voice, and immediately after part of the pattern says, Satan will come after you and try to dissuade you from the initial prompting that you receive. And that's what was happening yesterday. When you move forward in faith, though, knowing that as you do temple and family history work and as you do uh the work for your ancestors, you literally leave the temples. And this is why temples are so important. You leave not only with power, but angels round about you having charge over you. Who doesn't need that blessing? You know, who doesn't need that kind of revelation and protection and power from the other side of the veil?

SPEAKER_02

And and with that, I think that another thing that that I have used as an analogy in my life is that I wear contact lenses. I can't, I can't see a thing. If I'm not wearing my contacts, I wouldn't know if you're smiling at me or angry at me right now. And for me, it became a matter of like, if I have my contacts off, that is just me. I know that there is a person here, even though I don't know the details. If Satan's around me is like me with my eyes shut, but when the spirit's with me, it's like me with my contacts. I can see clearly in all the details. And that became something that for me has helped me to at times recognize that the same way that I couldn't summon those spiritual experiences that I have had. And I have had an experience that it was a blessing given to me for about one hour. I fell to the ground and I was crying the whole time, and and I was trying to remember everything. And I'm like, that was so powerful that I had tried to duplicate that. I can't. I can't duplicate that. That is not me. And it became very clearly to me as a matter of discerning experiences. But I felt impressed to share one other experience with you about my grandfather on my father's side. My grandfather was a very interesting man in the things that he said and the way he lived his life. And no, he did not join the church. And then right before he died, I went to the hospital. And I love my grandpa because my grandpa, as rumor has it, he was a bad husband and a bad father, but he was amazing to me. Whatever I wanted, I got it. My grandpa was great. I go to the hospital and I said, Grandpa, what's gonna happen? Should I say a prayer? And he said, It's okay. Either God's gonna save me and I'm gonna have a miracle here, or you're gonna go to that temple of yours and you're gonna and and and I'll be okay. All right, time passed. My brother was visiting with me at the time I was living in Houston, and all of a sudden, the app reminded us they had been a year back in the day, a year that we had to wait. And my brother said, You're not gonna believe it. Today is a year that our grandpa has passed. And I said, Let's go to the temple. They opened that the Houston temple is very small, so they opened the baptismal font for us to do the work for my grandpa. Wow. And uh, as soon as my brother, and I was watching, obviously, my brother was being baptized on behalf of my grandfather. The sister that was serving over there was crying, bawling, and she said, He wants you to know that he has accepted the gospel.

SPEAKER_03

And at that moment, I felt like I never thought that I'll be able to say that my grandpa was a member of the church, and now I know. Yeah. Um, and that for me just made me seek refuge in the temple.

SPEAKER_02

Because if does every time that I go to a temple I feel peace? No. Do every time that I go to a temple I feel something special? No. But to know that that is one place where Satan can't follow me, so that it's either gonna be the spirit or my own, you know, it's either gonna be me with contacts or just my own eyes, but it's not gonna be dark. Yeah, I'm so blessed that we have temples. And are we moving towards these things? In one of your podcasts, somebody said, and I made a commitment to go to a temple every week. I'm like, okay, I'm gonna do it. Seven minutes away. I can go over there, I can be there for 30 minutes to an hour, and I can find refuge in the house of my Lord so that I can find peace when everything around me is so chaotic.

SPEAKER_00

It is, it is the amount of time that I was given in Revelation that I needed to get in the temple back in 2012 when things were chaotic. I didn't have time, things were complicated in my life, and the Lord said, get to the temple once a week. And for me, that was not that proximity to the temple was the problem, but it was trying to find the time, and to a certain extent, it created in other areas of my life some misgivings about me going to the temple and you know, they're not accompanying me in the temple, it just kind of created friction. But I knew what the Lord had told me, and I knew that I needed a miracle, and I knew that I needed more revelation. And if the Lord said, get to the temple once a week, then for sure I was going to do it because that's how bad I needed to know and to get through these next little while. And the funny thing is, is you know, I'm I'm constantly seeking and asking for the gift of discernment. Because, like you, as you try to understand revelation, you move within this pattern and you learn to hear and feel and know the sound of the spirit, you also understand when Satan is there and his voice. You then start to get a bigger picture, and the Lord can talk to you in many different ways because you're discerning correctly. So whenever I'm thinking about receiving revelation, I'm always praying at the same time for the gift of discernment. The cool thing about doing family history work in the gathering of Israel, however, is that the Lord made it so clear to me. When I have names with or dreams with names in them, that's kind of hard not to misinterpret. Like that's plain old, I'm black and white. And the first time it happened, it was like neon lights around their name. And I was like, at first I'm like, I don't know what to do with this. What is it because it had never happened to me before. I was going to the temple once a week, though. And when I received those names, it was actually my husband said, Well, maybe you should go look them up. And that was before Family Search was, I mean, it was okay back then. It's not not as great as it is now, right? And I just remember finding the people and seeing that they needed help. And I thought, oh my goodness, it never occurred to me that the Lord could help me understand who needs help on the other side of the veil and the power that that would bring into my life. And it's not just through dreams, you're right, it's through many different kinds of revelatory experiences. And I love that through revelation, we can learn how to become like him and how to help others become like him as well. Within your experience in the gathering, have you had any more experiences that you want to share? And if not, then let's get into a little principle that you've learned, principles or something that you've learned because you're gathering.

SPEAKER_02

Well, the that same friend right now wants to be sealed to her parents. And it came to me during Sakurava meeting, and I'm like, you just got to be kidding me. And first I thought, oh, and maybe I forgot her endowments. And then I looked and the endowments were done, and she said, No, no, you did them actually quite well. I want the blessings right now of being sealed to my parents. And we know that there are blessings from the sealing. Even when we are in this life, we know that the sealing only takes place when we qualify for the highest level of the celestial kingdom after this life. But we know that when we are sealed, we have blessings on this life right now because of that. And my friend this wants this blessing. And uh it's gonna be another interesting journey of permissions and and and church and all of that. But she has been reminding me that that's what she wants. And she, yes, she has got me information on the parents and dates and locations and all of that from the other side of the veil, nudging me to know where to look for. And and those things for me, I feel I feel like will open up more opportunities to get those names. I I can't help but remember one interview that you had with a mother and a 12-year-old son, and he said, and then there was this name. And then I searched for this name, and that was the name that needed, and I thought that that story was so amazing for a 12-year-old boy to have that gift. But for me, it's about understanding how the Lord communicates with me and what he expects from me. Uh, the Lord has pointed me in the direction of the things that he wants to show me about what my purpose is and how he can talk to me so that I can be open for more opportunities of spiritual experiences as well. Because at the end of the day, we are spiritual beings living this mortal experience adorned with cockroaches. This is not us. I'm not, I'm not my circumstances here, I'm not my problems here. And like you said before, and that was one of the things you said that touched my heart, like the more he knows about who we are, the more he's gonna focus on robbing us from who we need to become in the in the in the areas of our lives that we need to improve upon. And that's very, very important. So when I think about spiritual experiences and I think about dreams, the one thing that I have learned that has helped me a lot is to take heed. And if I have a dream, I for example, I had a dream about a year and a half ago. There are three people in that dream that I recognized. One that I reached out to immediately. She didn't answer the phone. I'm like, I want to know if this person is okay. So I reached out to the other person in the dream and I'm like, is everything okay? She said, yes. And I said, and she was like, what happened? I said, well, I might or might not have had a dream. I said that to her. I said, I might or might not have had a dream. She said, What happened? And I told her, she was like, No, we were good. She said, Did you check with the other person? I said, I did. Passed. Two months later, I felt prompted to share that dream with somebody who wasn't even involved in the dream. She started crying and she said, I have no idea what this means, but I am testifying to you right now, this is from God. I come out of anesthesia. The dream was still to me exactly what it was. So I called the people involved and I said, Now I know what this is all about. And they felt the spirit, and we were able to have that conversation. Now, why did the Lord wait a year? But you can't before how did your husband say it again about recording?

SPEAKER_00

What was the line that you can't review revelation that isn't recorded?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, you can't review revelation that isn't recorded. Yeah. And right now it's much easier than having to melt my own breastplates or gold and and write. I can voice your text on my notes on my phone and it's recorded.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. It's wonderful.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And I love that when you're talking about um using our spiritual gifts in whatever way, because you can have a dream that prompts you to reach out to a friend. Others can have a still small voice. Others can have a name pop into their minds that maybe they need to go help this person. It's the use of many different gifts as we're working within the work of the ministering of angels. We can have ministering angels attend us, but we also can be ministering angels to those on this side of the veil. And I love that revelation makes it more impactful because then we know for sure that the Lord needs us to affect this person in this way so that they also can move on and grow from this. And I love that when you uh testified of spiritual experiences, that it that it's not just receiving revelation and information, it's an invitation to act. That will make revelation come faster and more clear too, is if when you're told something, you act, even though sometimes it doesn't even make sense. The other thing though is that the Lord can give clarification, he is fully capable of giving you revelation you don't understand. Seek to know further about that personal revelation that you've been given, and he can give you more and clarify. The time span, it's in his time, not our time, but he can and will give furthering revelation on that. So, what have you learned about the gospel of Jesus Christ? What principles, especially as you've involved yourself in the gathering and this miracle, because I will say there's a lot of people out there listening who are in the same situation who have had a relatory experience of someone that they need to help on the other side of the veil, and it seems impossible. Uh, I just got a story of one testifying where something broke through. They knew that they needed to go help this person, and some miracle happened that this person eventually was able to, they got permission, was able to be baptized. What have you learned through that process of working through that with your friend and still working through that with your friend? Bless your soul. Um, that helps you understand not only God's love for you, but for them also and your testimony in Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_02

That the plan is real. Yeah. The more I seek to hear the voice of the Lord, the more I recognize how he talks to me so that I can, so he can bless my life and I can bless the lives of other people. I I feel that a lot of times I think it's amazing that we're like, oh, I want to help other people. I want to help other people. Sometimes the person that needs to be helped is ourselves. Yeah. Because it's like if my car doesn't have fuel, I can't drive myself and I can give a ride to anybody. And and for me, this has opened up to a lot more things. Uh this environment here of thinning of the veil, uh the name itself helped me to see that the veil can be very thin for me to be ministered through the other side, for me to understand how I can minister to others, for me to know that there is more to my life than my current circumstances. And my faith has deepened to the point that I can go and have those experiences that some people might be listening to. And she was like, Oh, yeah, well, a scripture came to, you know, her in the temple, or it's the scripture, it's the temple. No, but that scripture helped me in this amazing treasure hunt of other things that the Lord wanted to show to me, that led me to receive a blessing from the other side of the veil, that led me to feel peace about going into the hospital and doing my surgery, that led me to wake up and from the anesthesia and have clarity in my thoughts, that led me to go to the temple a week later, pondering these things and understand the importance of my temple endowments as really taking upon me the name of Jesus Christ versus, and I mentioned that to you when I reached out to you this week, which was brilliant. I'm like, I need to talk to you because who else is gonna be excited about this? But going through initiatorium becoming very clear to me that through baptism, I'm just willing to take upon me his name. Through temple, I am taking it, which is the difference between being engaged and being married. This is it. I'm in, I'm in the covenant. I have blessings, but I also have responsibilities, which also means that it's no longer what people usually say. And I think it was Elder Wilcox that said, like when people, you know, take things lightly with the temple and temple garments, that they're like, oh, it's between me and the Lord as a way to excuse misbehavior. No. The rules of conduct says that this is what you have to do. And for me, what if that I keep thinking, what if that one conversation with Bishop Blocker in 2012, as he was trying to help me and Michael save our marriage through inspiration, was the beginning of this amazing journey of knowing that my heavenly father is my father, that he knows me personally, that he knows who I am, and that he wants me to seek to understand who I was before this life.

SPEAKER_03

What I'm doing here and who I need to become.

SPEAKER_02

My bishop Viera said something that I loved. He said, he said, um, you can't judge your past choices with the knowledge that you have now. But when you look back, all the dots connect.

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Right.

SPEAKER_02

And I thought, how brilliant. Because I always thought that I was capable of more. But how many of us, I think that if I were to share something that I hope to impress upon people is the next time that you have to share your testimony, whether it is on your social medias or during church, share a testimony, testify of a gift of the Spirit. The scripture says that there are different gifts given to different people so that we can all profit and benefit from each other. So that by sharing that this is what you experienced, others can seek to follow Christ and have those same similar experiences in their lives.

SPEAKER_00

It's the law of witnesses, it's the power of witnessing. And the more people that witness about spiritual gifts and spiritual experience and different kinds of revelation, we are then blessed as a whole. But Satan has done such a good job of shushing us to the extent that we have become unbelieving in miracles and unbelieving in spiritual gifts, and we have only relegated it to the quote, elite. When every day God is no respecter of persons, sons and daughters can experience these things in real time in different ways. And if my listeners out there are struggling to receive revelation in their own lives, begin then with seeking to understand who needs help on the other side of the veil. Be diligent in trying to hear and pay attention to what's happening, whether it's feelings, whether it's a name coming to you, whether it's you're prompted to go sit down and focus on a certain part of the line that you hadn't looked at in a while. There's so many different ways that the Lord can speak to us. And I think about my same journey that started about the same time. And it's quite extraordinary what you have to walk through because it's not just about receiving revelation, it's about having experiences that try you to your core that cause you to really think about are you a disciple of Jesus Christ? And are you going to stand and testify even when those close to you may not agree with you and they don't want to hear what you have to say. I remember starting this podcast and being so afraid to do it. I was scared because I thought, what are people gonna think of me? And I was right, people in general, there are people who think that I am a certain type of person. But really the gift is coming into contact with people like you who have been walking the same journey unbeknownst to each other. And then God bringing us together in this time and space to strengthen one another and to testify to one another. I too have had spiritual um, I would say, pronouncements upon me because of my health. I I should not be alive right now. I have cystic fibrosis. I am way past the expiration date. And I have been told in no uncertain terms that um in the end, my health is not going to be a concern. And I don't know how that even makes sense, but I'm walking through that same last minute of the last hour of the last day. And what does that look like? And until then, we testify boldly and loudly, not only of the power of Jesus Christ, but of the love of Jesus Christ that he has for us and for everyone on both sides of the well. And we have been invited to become his sons and daughters, literally, as we take those covenants upon us in the temple, and as we um search and seek out those who he has called upon us to serve. So I'm just grateful for this conversation, my friend. We we, I mean, we've talked to each other for a little bit, but who knew we were so connected in so many different ways? It's it's kind of cool. I obviously the Lord's hand is in it. And I hope that you will stay in touch with me as we work through.

SPEAKER_01

Just leave the tempo to you. I want to share something with you.

SPEAKER_00

And let me know how you get your friend sealed to her parents because that's obviously gonna take a whole lot of miracles. So it's it's her job.

SPEAKER_02

I told her if she wanted you to make it happen. I will see your hands here on this earth, but you talk to whatever organization that happens over there, which it's very organized, yeah, and and have it happen. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Well, it's wonderful. Yeah, thank you for joining me. Yes, absolutely. My friends, I hope that you have found inspiration in Ricelli's testimony. Truly, she has testified of many things, and I'm grateful because some of these are very sacred experiences to each individual that comes on the podcast to testify. And I think there is a little bit of hesitation in the beginning, but the power comes as you testify to others around you of these experiences. And that's what I encourage you to do. Not only seek to understand and pray for revelation, but also voice that revelation when you are prompted to to testify that others around you can have these experiences to have the veil part, to have a thinning of the veil of sorts in their own lives. Thank you for joining me today. I hope that you are really moving along this path in the gathering of Israel in revelatory ways. And we'll talk to you later. Bye.

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