Navigating Success
Join 21-year-old host Rhys Bennett on "Navigating Success," a podcast dedicated to uncovering the secrets behind achieving greatness in every aspect of life. From business moguls and spiritual leaders to health gurus and scientists, we delve into the journeys of those who have found their own version of success. Each episode features in-depth interviews and insightful discussions, exploring the strategies, mindsets, and habits that have propelled these individuals. Whether you're seeking inspiration, practical advice, or a deeper understanding of life and what it takes to thrive, "Navigating Success" offers a roadmap to help you navigate your own path to success. Tune in and start your journey towards a fulfilling and successful life.
Navigating Success
#1 - Michael McGovern's Entrepreneurial Journey and Wisdom
Michael McGovern, a dynamic entrepreneur from Columbus, shares his captivating journey from the monotony of traditional employment to the freedom of entrepreneurship. Through his ventures, Columbus Roofing Company and Reckless Media, Michael offers a compelling look at how personal aspirations can drive business success. He unveils his hard-won wisdom for aspiring entrepreneurs: forget the pursuit of the perfect idea and instead focus on improving what's already out there while staying adaptable to change.
We take a closer look at the evolving perception of success, as Michael delves into the transformative power of manifestation and visualization. He challenges the conventional belief that success equals material wealth, suggesting a shift toward personal fulfillment and passion. Grappling with common entrepreneurial hurdles like imposter syndrome, Michael discusses the "fake it till you make it" mindset and introduces the idea of creating a "memory of the future." By emotionally attaching to future goals, he shows how aligning actions with these visions can forge a path to desired outcomes.
Prioritizing self-care as a cornerstone of effective leadership, this episode underscores the importance of nurturing one's well-being to better support others. The analogy of putting on your own oxygen mask first is a strong reminder of this principle. Michael and I discuss strategies for maintaining both personal and financial stability, ensuring that leaders can make clear, abundant decisions. The episode wraps up with a nod to the endless pursuit of knowledge, as we stress that while material possessions can vanish, the value of continuous learning remains an invaluable asset for future success.
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Welcome to Navigating Success, or NS for short. I'm going to give a little bit of an intro before we start. This is a podcast about helping you find your own version of success or happiness, whatever it may be for you. It may be for you, but through the people I interview and stuff on this show, it'll be a good way to introduce you to different things in life, and some may speak to you, some may not. But to kick off this episode, I'm with Michael McGovern. He is an entrepreneur here in Columbus, but tell us a bit about yourself and how you got started in your business journey.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man. So you know, I would say there's obviously a lot to that, right to layers and layers of the journey and how I got started in it. But you know, for the short version of it, you know, I think that for me it was the. You know, I think one of the one of the great things about being an entrepreneur is that it gives you the opportunity to create something that doesn't exist. Right, and we all like creation, we all like to create things, and that, for me, is what you know entrepreneurship has been.
Speaker 2:It was like I found myself at a point in my life where, you know I'd worked different jobs and, you know, been around the block per se, right, and you know I tried different things and you know, worked, you know coal mines and gas plants and real estate, and you know all of these different things, and you know I struggled to like, I wasn't fulfilled and I also struggled to, you know, find the table that I wanted to sit at, right, I was not necessarily. No matter where I was, I wasn't around the type of individuals that I wanted to be around.
Speaker 2:I wasn't around, I wasn't having the life that I wanted right, or getting the experiences that I wanted to be around. I wasn't around, the I wasn't, I wasn't having the life that I wanted right, or getting the experiences that I wanted in. And that's what entrepreneurship really gave me is that it gave me the opportunity to create my own table, right, and to build you know, to build a life by design, right. And I think for so many of us, we're always seeking to find the thing that we fit into, or find that box that we fit into, or lack thereof, rather, and for me it was that I just hadn't really found a place that I wanted to be, that I was excited about every day, and I feel like we all deserve that.
Speaker 2:Most of us work, jobs and for our whole life, we just show up and then we go home. You know, we spend majority of our life building somebody else's dream 100%. And for me, you know, really, that's what got me into entrepreneurship. Part of it was, you know, out of necessity, because I had to make money, but at the same time, it was because, you know, I just I couldn't. I have never allowed myself to settle right, whether it was a relationship, a friendship, a job, you know I always allowed one thing to lead me to the next thing and that's really what led me to, you know, starting Columbus Roofing Company. You know, getting into the Reckless Media and the podcast and you know all of those things was just that, you know. I realized that you know you can. You can live the life you want. You just have to be willing to uh, you know, sacrifice the, the comfortability of having something consistent and having something reliable, in order to have something, you know, extraordinary.
Speaker 1:Yeah and uh. For those that are new to entrepreneurship how do you navigate, kind of finding the business that you want to start or a product that you want to sell, like how would somebody go about that?
Speaker 2:we get held up in, you know, starting a business or, um, you know, getting into entrepreneurship, because we think that our and this isn't for everybody's sake, but at least in my case um, you know, I think we get held up in thinking that, uh, you know, we, we can't start something because we don't have a great idea.
Speaker 1:Right, like I never thought I could be a businessman.
Speaker 2:You know, back in the day, when I was like a job 9 to 5, whatever it was I didn't think that I could be a businessman because I thought that every person that was in business created something. I thought they had to come up with a product or they had come up with some idea, and then that's how they started a business. And so for me, you know, I never thought I had the opportunity to be that until, you know, I got exposed to the other side of things and realized that you know that it's not about coming up with your own idea, it's about, you know, seeing what's already out in the marketplace. And then you know if you anyone.
Speaker 2:I think that has an entrepreneurial spirit, and if you're questioning if you do or you don't, uh, you know, if you see things and you have a knack to want to make them better, you have an entrepreneurial spirit.
Speaker 1:That's amazing.
Speaker 2:Right, and, and so you know, for me it's like too often we get held up in thinking that, like you know, we got to have this great idea, or that you know we've got to have this passion for something, um, and that we're going to be able to, you know, have this you know, start this business through this passion that we have.
Speaker 2:And you know that is the case sometimes. But you know, I think that that can also create, you know, that analysis, by that paralysis, by analysis where we're like over, overlooking it, overthinking it, you know, and keeping ourselves from, from getting started, rather than saying like, just go and be willing to adapt and pivot and change.
Speaker 2:And I promise you that your first idea probably isn't going to be the business that you get. You know you find success and it's just the first idea and so it's your first attempt, it's a rep, it's a rep, it's a try, it's a, you know it's. I always say that. You know, entrepreneurship or business itself is kind of like a video game, right when you you achieve a checkpoint and then you can't go backwards.
Speaker 2:A hundred percent Right, it's like once you, and that's why I always invest in knowledge and I always lean so heavy into you know, I have over leveraged myself in knowledge right, you know investing in mentors and, you know, programs and all these things that you know I didn't have money for at the time, but it it forced me to be uncomfortable, but it also forced me to create, you know, you know, I think that creativity comes from necessity.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that's a good one Right.
Speaker 2:And so when you're forced into, you know you've got to create a way, you've got to create income, you've got to solve a problem. You know, a lot of times that necessity to solve something or the necessity to get money in your bank account, you know will allow you to be creative. And next thing, you know, you know you're going to fall into something. I didn't, you know, start a business thinking that I was going to be into roofing.
Speaker 1:Right, you know.
Speaker 2:I've done, I did, I did real estate, and then I, you know I've done this and I've done that and I've tried these different things, and then I, you know, I kind of landed in roofing. But then through that vehicle, you know, you've got to create the one thing. You've got to create the thing that allows you to to see the way business works and the way that it operates, and all of the pieces that kind of go to the puzzle. And then, once you create that, then you start to see that there's patterns and that everything is kind of the same, it's just different.
Speaker 2:And you're like all right, well, now I can do this and I can do that. Now I can see the way that it all works. But you've got to like see something all the way through.
Speaker 2:Right, have you know one product, you know one product, one one ideal client, and you got to like get that through for one year yeah, yeah and then now of a sudden, you, you, you see the way that it works and now you can start to stem off of that, not not branch out too early and try a bunch of different things.
Speaker 1:It's like try one thing too often, we just give up too early 100, yeah, and and going off of the uh, when you need to figure it out, you create it. For when I was in college and I wasn't happy for where I was at that summer, I made it a priority to figure out a way that I didn't have to go back there, because I didn't know that entrepreneurship existed. I just thought I had to work for somebody and that whole idea made me miserable. So, so that's a. That's a great point. Um and uh. For people listening, the questions that I will ask will be the same, will be generally the same throughout the episodes that come, so you can kind of have an idea and get your ground of what's going to be talked about and figure out what speaks to you. And then one question is what's going to? What was your definition of success when you first started and how has that evolved over time?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I mean, yeah, I think that, I think that my definition of success is something that's it's constantly changing.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because it's you know, it's no different than a goal, right?
Speaker 1:Like the the.
Speaker 2:You know the goal's always changing and it's always moving right, and so you know, I think, that success is different for success is different for people at every level. Right, you always discover that there's a different success that you want right. For me, I think that when I first started, success was watches, and you know money and you know a home and cars and you know, and you know a business maybe, like that was what success was, you know.
Speaker 2:And then, as that has evolved, you know, I think success to me now is fulfillment. Um, you know it's, it's it's passion. Uh, you know it's it's connection, it's it's you know. Success to me now is more about who I am as an individual than what I have.
Speaker 1:A hundred percent. That's powerful. Um, what were some of the biggest challenges that you faced when you first started out and how did you overcome them?
Speaker 2:I mean the I'd say the the biggest, the biggest challenges that I faced. I think a lot of it is probably like imposter syndrome yeah right. I think we all probably face that in one way or another, especially you in business, it's like because you kind of have to fake it till you make it.
Speaker 1:True, this is true.
Speaker 2:And you have to have a version of that, because if you don't fake it then you're probably never going to make it, because you have to until you start to realize that you have to see yourself as your future self and you have to see yourself as the version that you want to become, which is essentially faking it till you make it, but it's just a. You haven't discovered that you have that power yet.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right.
Speaker 2:When you're first starting out, fake it to make it is no different than manifestation, right, and and because you, you, you haven't understood that. You know, you don't, you don't figure out how powerful you are. You don't realize that you know, you don't, you don't figure out how powerful you are. You don't realize that you can, you know, meditate and create. You don't realize that you can, uh, you know, think it and attract it. Yet, right, so, yeah, you start to. So you have this. This. Make it, fake it till you make it thing is really all of the things that you do, but it's just a different version of it. Right, when you're faking it till you make it, you're doing that. You're, you're trying to, you know, see yourself as that thing or you're trying to become that thing, and you're really doing. You're faking it till you make it because you seek approval.
Speaker 2:But, then, once you realize that you don't need anyone's approval and that nothing else, you know, no one's opinions really matter, then then you get into that other side of it, where you're no longer faking it to your making, you're no longer seeking approvals Now. You're just focused on, you know, the becoming of you, the evolving of you, the person that you, you know, are striving to become.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what's your idea of manifestation? Because people say that like, oh, if you speak it's going to come real. Like, because it's, it's a I feel like it's a very broad term, but what is your approach on that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that, um, you know, manifestation for me is you know, too often we we were just attacking, yeah Right, too often we're on the attack, we're on the attack. We to achieve, we're trying to. You know, we're always like seeking right seeking the, the next client, the next idea, like we're always chasing yeah right and and you have to have that.
Speaker 2:That has to be a version of of chase to get started, you know. But then you, you, uh, you know, you kind of transition to where you realize that to me, now, manifestation is just taking the time to, rather than chasing, taking the time to attract, taking the time to sit with your thoughts and allow your thoughts to become things and allow your thoughts to manifest and create the life that you want.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right.
Speaker 2:And so, but you don't really again like so much of. It is like you have to go one direction before you can go the other way.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Right, you have to kind of like learn what hell is before you can discover heaven.
Speaker 1:A hundred percent, a hundred percent, and with that is um, and what I was kind of leaning on, that, as people think, is like their life's going to change if they think about something else.
Speaker 2:It's the action that you and again, I think that's what ties you know all of it together, the manifestation together, all of these things is that you know, you, you, you want a thing, right. So if it's like, all right, I want to. You know, I want to become the 10 million dollar mike yeah well, what is the 10 like? And that now, that, now to me, you start to create that manifestation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because you know the, the the idea that I've always had is that you start to create that manifestation, because you know the, the, the. The idea that I've always had is that you have to create a memory of the future.
Speaker 1:That's amazing yeah.
Speaker 2:Right, Because when you look back and you have a memory, you can put yourself in that moment. You feel that moment. You remember that moment, right, you, you whether it was an amusement park and how you felt going on the roller coaster, right, Like you can. An amusement park and how you felt going on the roller coaster, right, Like you can. You can think back to that, that moment in time and know what you felt then. So the goal is is to create so, rather than having that memory of what happened, it's like how can I create the memory of what's going to happen?
Speaker 1:That's. That's very great way to put it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so you so, then you. So now you're attaching yourself to that emotional state, right? So you're envisioning it, you're seeing it, because, again, you have to find a way to tie that emotion to it. So when you can create the memory from a future state, you can literally see yourself achieving it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean that's that's interesting, um, and from myself that's sometimes I have a hard time with that. It's because I'm letting go of this old identity that I have and stepping into this new identity have. Um, so sometimes, when you're like, the idea of manifesting, like the, the old version of you can get in the way and creating that memory of the future. Um, it can be hard sometimes. Um, what are some kind of ways that people can say they're struggling with their current identity and they want something new for their life? Like, what are some ways that people can kind of approach having new things in their lives?
Speaker 2:yeah, that's good. Um, you know, I think that you know, you, you, you, so you have to. One is like you said you got to let go. You have to remove the expectation or the attachment to how you think things should be, how you think they should go. And that's so hard for so many people, because so many people, their life is controlled by other people.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Right. Their nine to five is controlled by a boss. Their home life is controlled by their kids or it's controlled by their spouse.
Speaker 1:Or their dream life is controlled by the ideas of other people.
Speaker 2:A hundred percent right, and so what happens is that you'll have conversations with somebody and they're always worried about the things that haven't happened. They're always talking about this test that they got to take or what's going to happen when this happens and if that happens. Well, like they're always thinking about all of the things that they could potentially have control over, because they have no control in their life, yeah, right, and so they're always there. They're like. I experience it, you know, all the time with with friends, family, you know, even with my girlfriend.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And and it's on, and it's on a negative thing and it's it's something that I'm I'm helping her to navigate. But you know, so often, uh, like just recently, she, she, uh, but you know so often, uh, like just recently, she, she, uh, she had to get an mri on her knee and she, you know we're in the kitchen and she's like, well, you know what happens if it, if it comes back, and you know, and, and you know I have this, I have a tour, you know, a torn acl. And then you know, I only have these many days of vacation time, and then I have these many days of, like this, paid time off and if I, you know, if I have to use those, then and then like, what about? And that's like you could, and I, and I literally saw her trying to, trying to grab a hold and control all of the things that there was no way, they can't but because, because they want to control everything, because so much of their life is controlled.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow, yeah.
Speaker 2:Right, and so you've got to be able to like. That's that thing of like letting go of all control Right, like I try to anytime I ever catch myself, you know, thinking so far ahead, and not in a way of like manifestation, but in a way of like trying to determine and control the things that are going to happen or could happen or could potentially happen. You know, that's that old version of me, because I had no control, I couldn't. I had to show up my nine to five and I had to do that. Then I had to come home and I had like an all of these things that I had no control over, because everybody else controlled my life.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Right, but once you become that entrepreneur, you have control of everything, and I think that's one of the hardest things for most people to adapt into is that they're so used to being told what to do.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:They're so used to having that structure right, they can't sleep in, they can't do this, they can't do that, and so their whole life it's. You know, they've always been told, and so when you get them to be an entrepreneur, like now, you're your own boss. Now there's nobody telling you what to do?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and the only thing that you have to do in life is breathe. And the more things that you try to control, the more stress that you'll have Because, like, if you miss the test day or something along those lines, like you're still alive, you're still present. So really, the only thing you have to do is actually breathe. If somebody is struggling to find their own version of success, what would you recommend they do?
Speaker 2:I would say that they, they write it out. Yeah, write that, write it, write it. I have notebooks on notebooks, on notebooks of just time spent thinking that's good right time, because, think about it, they and you know school, they teach history. They don't teach future. There's not a future class.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:Yeah Right, all we ever do is so we're living. We're always living in the past. We're always they're teaching us everything about what has happened before.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:They're never teaching you of what could happen in the future, and if they are teaching it, they're teaching it from the lens of what's happened. Right, If you don't know your path, you know. If you don't know the history, history will repeat itself.
Speaker 1:True, this is true.
Speaker 2:Right, and so no one ever does that. I never in my entire life, until becoming an entrepreneur, sat down and wrote out what my ideal future looked like yeah right and, and I didn't either before I right, and that's why I make, that's why I make our team do it right, that's why I make our guys sit down because it's like, even if the only time that someone sat down and wrote out their future is when they sit out there, that's better than them never doing it 100 because just just that little bit creates an idea, yeah, creates a thought.
Speaker 2:Right then, that idea or that thought becomes a. You know now all of a sudden that maybe that becomes a thing or maybe that becomes a, you know, a vision right and then that vision now, that vision now, that, what's that happen? Now that vision becomes that memory of the future yeah, right, and that's.
Speaker 2:And so that's why I make our team do those things, because it's like I'm just instilling the only time I don't get to. You know no different than a teacher or a, you know, a coach, right? I can't control what you do for all 24 hours of your day.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But I can't control the one or two hours that I get to get in front of you and impact you. Control the one or two hours that I get to get in front of you and impact you, and so it's my job as a leader to instill the things, the values, the, the things that I know will work for you. I have to give that to you. In those moments that I have and I get to spend with people, I know that I have to help them achieve something, or I got to make, help them to see that they can be something. It's like sorry, that's all I got. I got to make sure I get it any of them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Wow, that's incredible. What is so for those that are looking into entrepreneurship and this idea, what is one lesson that you learned the hard way and that you want people to that are stepping into entrepreneurship to avoid?
Speaker 2:take care of you first. Take care of you first. You always it's. It's, it's natural for every person to want to do more for others than they do for themselves yeah right, not we. Most of us don't feel worthy yeah most of us don't feel like we deserve things.
Speaker 2:So, therefore, and most of us feel like people are going to leave us and abandon us, and you know, and so we're our natural state is to give, give, give, give, give yeah right and as an entrepreneur, you really lean into that because you know that without people the business doesn't exist so your first thought is to always take care of everybody else, because if I take care of everybody else, then everybody else is going to stay. It's not true, that's good. The right people will stay. The right people will stay whether you give them everything or you give them nothing.
Speaker 1:They either want to be there or they don't want to be, there there's people that are going to come into your life for a season people that are going to come into your life for a season, people that are going to come into your life for a reason, and that's not up to you to write that script. That's a bar. That's a bar. That is a bar. What's next for you in this entrepreneurship journey? Kind of just to open the doors up to what's possible.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean you know for me taking care of me. Yeah, I mean you know for me, um, taking care of me. Yeah, right, that that's my, that, that that's my. My focus for this year is to, um, you know, when you are building a company and you're you're, you're creating these things, you know, you, you, you just you kind of do whatever you have to do to make it exist and make it survive. And for me, so much of my time was spent on serving everybody and making sure that everyone's taken care of.
Speaker 2:And when I say that not to take care of people, I don't mean that in a sense of be be you know, uh, be you know egotistical or selfish right, but it's like the, the idea that you know eat leaders eat last yeah, right, and that's kind of how we're taught and that's what we think, and it's like because you got to make sure everybody else is fed, then you eat.
Speaker 2:But the thing is is that if you make sure that everybody else is fed before you eat, then you end up starving oh, wow yeah right, and if you're starving?
Speaker 1:you can't help anybody. This is true. It's like putting your oxygen mask on first before when you get on a plane.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, so for me, that's my you know, that's my, my focus. This, anything, is that the you know, I don't know that there's a right way and a wrong way to do it I know the way that I did it right. And but you know, I know that in order for me to take all of us to the next level, it's me taking me to the next level.
Speaker 1:This is true, right.
Speaker 2:And and so cause you, can, you know you, you can get to a certain extent by doing and giving and providing, and you know all of that. But you can't continue to do that, right, like you can't always pour out of an empty glass.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And you know, and, and so for me that that's the, that's the focus for me and my entrepreneurial journey now is that you know we've built a, we built something that is a. You know it's a thing now.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Right, it's, it's. It's not going anywhere, it's going to continue to grow and expand and be better. And so, you know, for me, my focus now is being able to, you know, get all of my bad debt paid off and, you know, being able to be able to get myself in a position where you know I'm, you know, can you know I'm in a position where, like if everything crumbled, you know, I'm taken care of, because then I know that I can lead from a place of abundance yeah, and not scarcity.
Speaker 2:right, because when you're worrying about making sure everything's okay, then you can't even think clearly you're, you're scattered.
Speaker 1:You're like, how am I paying rent? How am I you know?
Speaker 2:yeah so you're in this position of like panic all the time, that fight or flight, and so for me now it's the being able to get myself in the position where I'm able to be in a position to help more people that's awesome man.
Speaker 1:Well, michael, thanks for having me. Bro, thank you for being on the the first episode of my podcast. Um, I got a lot more to come. Um, thanks, guys thanks guys.
Speaker 2:I love it bro. No thanks for having me on and hopefully I make the cut to come back on again and join sometime.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, a hundred percent, yeah, man.
Speaker 2:Well, I think you need to share a little bit about you, though you know it's his first episode, so, kicking it off, what made you want to start this?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so my idea, um, in the beginning, was to help the younger version of myself, because that's really the only person that I know how to help.
Speaker 2:What was that younger version of yourself?
Speaker 1:Confused, didn't know necessarily what options I had to do in life, what was out there. I wasn't necessarily exposed to all of this stuff, this idea of entrepreneurship, spirituality, all the stuff we're learning with science, just all these different avenues and people that I've connected with. I really want them to come together, um, in the, in the form of an interview where I can figure out the things that could help the younger version of me or people similar to that that can find their own direction in life that's good um, because maybe entrepreneurship doesn't speak to you and and that's totally okay there's going to be different people that we approach and we interview in this whole thing.
Speaker 1:so I'm super excited. That's good. That's really good, dude.
Speaker 2:What's your biggest takeaway from being in entrepreneurship, entrepreneurship, this. If you could go back from when you started at CRC to right now, you know what. What's something that you can leave your listeners today with that would say this is my biggest takeaway thus far.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'd say, um, keep, keep on learning. Um, because for me, before I started this journey, I never picked up a book or anything like in school I probably, when we'd have book assignments, I would google everything and not even read the full thing, probably maybe four pages of it. But if you don't understand something and say it's like you're struggling with anxiety or depression or you're looking for another way in this life, um, it is your duty to search out how to find the information that you can help, uh, help those issues that you're experiencing yeah um, because that Because that's one thing that I learned that I didn't know was possible, because I was just like, just you know, like in my own, like shame or anxiety and stuff like that I'm like why is this happening to me?
Speaker 1:But instead I reframed it and I was like I need to figure out why this is happening. That's good, so I can use my own resources to build my way out of it, in a way that's really good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're you. You always, you know, you always have the answer yeah, yeah, right, and it works out there yeah you know and and I always say that you know, that's why I always I tell you that all the time, right, it's like we always want to jump in and we want to make all this money and we want to fucking be, always want to jump in and we want to make all this money and we want to fucking be 10 years down the road and we want to have the big company and want to have all these things, and it's like you have to become that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can't just be that yet, right.
Speaker 2:And so I tell everybody that, where you're at your age, I'm like dude don't worry about money, worry about knowledge where you're at your age, where I'm like dude, think like don't worry about money, worry about knowledge. True, learn and learn and learn and learn. Like, because when we want to cause, there is a lot of pressure that comes with all the other shit, yeah Right. And so you need to be equipped in order to handle that pressure.
Speaker 1:A hundred percent and and with with the learning and learning part that you're just discussing, discussing, um, if you're not sure what you want to do is learn money making skills, if you're, if that's what you want to do, is you want to make more money, learn skills that can make you more money, like copywriting, uh, doing a trade, uh of that nature. Maybe it's an entrepreneurship class, a marketing class, even creating content on the internet, if that speaks to you, just getting yourself out there and finding those resources of where you can change yourself and then change your life.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and the thing is we'll enter on this, but people can take a job from you. People can take your house from you. People can take your house from you. They can take family, they can take cars, they can take everything. They can't take your knowledge.
Speaker 1:That's true.
Speaker 2:Knowledge is the one thing that nobody can ever take from you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think you told me one time it's like if they drop me on an island somewhere with the knowledge and skills that you've built up on this journey that you'd be able to figure it out.
Speaker 2:One hundred percent and they can never change that. Yeah, you know what I mean. One hundred percent, and that's what it is. And that's the thing of slowing down and just strapping in and committing to learning. Commit to learn and you'll commit to earn.
Speaker 1:Yeah, One hundred percent, yeah. Commit to learn and you'll commit to earn. Yeah, a hundred percent, yeah. And the the internet is doing everyone a disservice by showing everyone how easy it is. Yeah, cause I, when I first came into this, I thought it was all sunshine and rainbows, and I figured out that it wasn't very quickly, so um yeah, well, good shit bro.
Speaker 2:I'm proud of you that's good dude.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, good shit, bro. I'm proud of you, my man. Thanks, brother. This is me on. This is a uh episode one, episode one and this is uh a mentor of mine. If uh people didn't catch that, that's it all right, yeah good shit, we'll see you. Episode two see episode two.