Micro Moments: Disrupting intergenerational trauma and repairing trust in the body

Dr. Sabrina Hadeed provides a nuanced discussion in this Micro Moment Episode about the promise of psychedelic-assisted therapy for trauma. Drawing from her own experiences in a loving but intermittently violent home, she illustrates how its possible to break intergenerational cycles. Integrating Bessel van der Kolk's insights from 'The Body Keeps the Score,' Dr. Hadeed stresses the need for holistic, ongoing healing practices, including bodywork and trauma therapy. The script also explores the challenges of reprocessing and desensitization therapy, emphasizing the importance of readiness, the value of therapeutic relationships, and the necessity of patience and trust in the healing journey.

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Transcript

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welcome. To another micro-moment episode brought to you by the microdose, your marriage podcast. Cast. I am your host, Dr. Sabrina. Hadeed. Today. I wanted to bring you another personal share. Where I'm going to actually be. Be enthusiastically highlighting. Some of the potential benefits. It's to psychedelic work. When it comes to trauma So oftentimes when I have. I have done public speaking events or ran workshops. I will often say. I. Grew up in a loving home. In a loving home. That was sometimes violent. I think a lot of people can relate. Late to that because. Both can. Exist and often do. There is often love and safety and nurturing. And parents doing everything they can to get it right. And then there's. Also potentially violence. Of pride. And role modeling the. The pride comes from being proud. That I can say it and not feel. Activated in my body being proud. That I. I can honor that truth. And still deeply. The love and respect my parents. Proud that. I am a living breathing example of what intergeneration. Generational healing looks like. And the Capac, the. And the potential to disrupt cycles. I have two little girls of my own. And one of the things really. Where on my patients. And because of all the work that I've. Done Because of. the psychedelic. Delek assistance. I will, I will say proudly. The trauma work that I have done has really helped me be able. To ensure my body and to know the signs. Of when I'm starting to escalate and what needs to happen to disrupt that. And I don't do it alone. I hate. This is not work to be done alone. I have a system of people. In my life, loved ones, family, friends, a therapist of my. I own that. Help me to stay anchored. In that new knowing. own. Psychedelic assisted therapy. Was. This. What is something that I didn't really know I needed. Needed. And I don't know about you, but that's, that's sometimes. Those are and lessons, the ones that we don't see coming. Coming to spite all of our amazingly curated intentions. So the experience that I had that. Was incredibly repairative and healing. Was it a group? Group setting. It was in a, in a retreat psychedelic retreat setting. Where. There are other participants that have. I have. context of what I'm about to share. Is that. There. Is a special kind of truck. I trust that is needed when you are in a group setting, even. Even without psychedelics, right? Because. You were. Processes. As being witnessed and potentially judged, you know, so the internal. Internal chatter. Comes up around what are people going to think? What if I say. Say something crazy. What if I look, you know, whatever, fill in. The blank. Um, You know, and, and I did, by the way, I. I had a deep grieving process. And in this particular experience where I was. You know, ugly crying and their snot and, you know, Whatnot. And guess what I wasn't judged. I. And I wasn't, um, With such patients. That it was uncomfortable. I think that many of us can relate with this tendency that people. Have when we have big feelings. To try to shorten. The experience of the big feelings. Whether it's their discomfort or. You know, their. Our perceived discomfort of, of maybe others. Um, maybe it's not often appropriate. But to have the big feelings, whatever, fill in the blank. But we are rushed. Out of having those big feelings. Cool either quieted. or attempts to shorten. How much my system. Needed. Two. To surrender. And how, despite all of my. Best efforts with the yoga I have done for over 20 years. The EMDR. I have been a part of both, not just. As a therapist, but as a, as a client, Um, You know, all of the awake and a Tunis to my own body and QS. And, you know, all of the, all of the smarts I got when it comes to this thing called. Called. You know, attending to my body and my mind and my spirit. Spirit. So. Even though I'm this expert, right? Aye. I had never really, truly surrender. Surrendered with the exception of potentially asleep being asleep. And to have a surrender. Were you just. Just let go. It was truly. Uh, cosmic orgasm. I mean, I felt it in my body and my spirit. Barrett in my mind. And it, and it looked and sounded like. Like a sexual orgasm, because it was such a release. It was such a released, just feel safe. Safe Let it all go. It was. Like nothing else I've ever experienced. Varianced, it was a sort of catharsis. Uh, sole catharsis. So. So to speak that I, needed until. Till I experienced it. And I will tell you I was never the same. I haven't been the same sense. It, it, it, it. Cut me out. It broke me open worth of therapy. Couldn't do. And it wasn't just the medicine. It. There's no way that that could have happened. If I was setting or even in the woods with my friends, I just don't think that that would have happened. And for me. Because of. This deeply. Embedded belief that I had about, about trust and safety. And. How guarded I had become. And. And that's a part When I proudly say that I grew up. In a home that was really that I grew up in a And then the next sentence often say is. And I'm standing here before you, as someone that is rarely violent. And I'm standing here before you, as someone that deeply loves and. Trusts. The world. And I didn't get. Here. Easily. And. You know, one of the books that I such an amazing. That speaks to. trauma can can be and how it follows. Those you throughout your life. It's a book called the body keeps the score. It's by. Bass Bessel, Vander, Colt. And many, many people working in. The familiar with this book. And in the book. You know, he talks a lot about how experiences that we, that we have in our life, particularly in childhood. Manifest physically, emotionally, and spirit. Spiritually. Impacting our overall mental health and wellbeing. Being. And understanding trauma. Trauma in the context of the body is particularly. Radical. And because we are, we are operate. Operating in a system in the mental health field, we often operate in a system. That wants to separate. You know, physical health. Health from mental health and separate spiritual health from physical and. Mental health. And this is not how mental. Health works. It doesn't just impact one part. It impacts the whole and therefore it needs to be treated. We need. To treat ourselves. Holistically. An aside pet I will say it again. If you're doing trauma work. Of any kind recent incident. Or all the way back to childhood. You need to also be doing bodywork These of trauma. And that can lead to so many different problems. Plums stress, health, spiritual. You know, substance abuse, we tend. Tend to want to numb out from pain that we are fatigued by. I did it right. I numbed out for years with delicious wine. Wine. And it really. He wasn't wasn't paying. Attention to the truth and the wisdom that my body holds. And when my body tried to tell me things, Or couldn't trust it. And so this work is also about. Healing and repairing the trust we have for our own bodies. Our own internal compass. it remind. Minds us is an ongoing process throughout our. Lives, we're never going to summit healing. Once and I. And believe me, I am someone that was thinking I could, I was like, oh yeah, you know, I had this cosmic. MC orgasm. I surrendered. I trust now I have had this cathartic. You know, Um, dramatic. Shift. I'm good. And actually that's where the work begins. And then we spend. I think hopefully the. The rest of our lives. Aligning revisiting tinker. Tinkering discovering new parts of ourselves that needed to heal. And that doesn't mean that we go and we have. Psychedelic experiences those experiences. How you continue to understand the way that body live, that trauma lives. In your body. And Reminds us that. That. And then finding safe. Safe places to continue to revisit. awareness of this. Mind body spirit connection. Allowing individuals. Like myself to experience your trauma in a new way. In a, in a way that you're witnessing it differently. Remembering it differently and your body's going to feel it and release. It differently. And in a safe and supported. Controlled setting. This. This can be. Traditional talk therapy just doesn't get to. And the most important. Thing. too much? Is the reprocessing like. In like anyone that's done EMDR eye movement. Reprocessing. And desensitization therapy. Can tell you that reprocessing. Is really hard. And it takes it. It does take courage and it takes readying Right. The relationship you have with your therapist. With your. Self with your body. You're ready. You have to ready first. First ready the ship before you go in. Surrendering to the reality that it will be difficult. And having a. Negotiated experience with your health and being able to negotiate is. Essential. process. Without it, this kind of depth work. And full surrender. It cannot occur. Body got to remember. That it can be safe to fully. Fully surrender. There are no words that can measure. Measure that. To walk around. And for much. Being on high alert. And some of that may never go away. On the outside. If I go to a restaurant, I want to sit on the outside. Side of the room. I That may never change. Change. And I don't really want it to. I like being able to for, I'll wait for a table We'll change and can change. You know, other things. Things, other ways that it comes out, you know, This. Thank. You for tuning in. as you. I go about your day. Go at the pace of trust. Until next time.