Today’s podcast features a conversation with Grace Demerling and Shawn Avery. Grace recently completed a research project asking autistic adults about their experiences with ABA, and Shawn has autism. Listeners will hear about gaps in autism services, ways to fill these gaps, and the lived experiences of an adult with autism. 

Shawn’s interview with Patty Parsons: https://youtu.be/exuPWJOmV3o?si=ZcjlOj1NsYlwRbxD 

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Contact us!

Grace: gracedemerling@gmail.com

Shawn: william6543@hotmail.ca 

Maddie: mduke@abatechnologies.com