We're back!! And...The Carpenter's Son

Welcome to the Mind's Eye Media Podcast, talking all things media, hosted by John (AKA HighEquiries on TikTok) and Ryan. Whether it's film, TV shows, actors or directors, we discuss each from our unique viewpoints as a psychologist (Ryan) and a self-professed "film geek" (John). We are so pleased to have you along on this journey into the world of media with us. 

Please enjoy episode of the podcast where we return after a break since last August and come back for our monthly longer form episode. We discuss the state of media in general, films, TV, and what we have been watching (or not) since last year. 

We then also talk about the 2025 film The Carpenter's Son starring Nicholas Cage and FKA Twigs. We take a different stance on new stuff so today will differ from our usual, so please enjoy! 

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:24

Hi guys. Welcome. Welcome back. We're back. It's been a while. It's been too long. How long has it actually been? I reckon it's been six months at least.

SPEAKER_02 0:34

It's got me.

SPEAKER_00 0:35

Yeah. People still download it, are they? They are. Strange. Way more than I thought they would. Maybe it feels quite loved. Yeah, it does. It's uh it's appreciated. It's nice. Those of you that have continued to download episodes, then we do appreciate it. Uh our last episode, weirdly, was um heads of state. Oh my god. So our legacy was John Cena.

SPEAKER_02 0:58

We were left with John Cena and doing doing president and prime minister stuff.

unknown 1:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:04

I mean, that's quite relevant actually.

SPEAKER_02 1:06

Oh yeah. I mean, if they were actually like that in real life, I might take a bit more of an interest at this point as opposed to feeling like criminals.

SPEAKER_00 1:15

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's it's been a it's been a crazy time. I'd I'd like to have thought that by the time we came back to this that the world would have been less mental than it was then.

SPEAKER_02 1:27

But it's if anything it's got progressively sorry, there's a rather loud motorbike going past. Um if anything it's got progressively worse. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 1:35

And it doesn't show any signs of slowing down. No. For the foreseeable. Right. Welcome. Welcome. That's uh that's cheered us up anyway.

SPEAKER_02 1:44

Happy, happy podcast day. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:46

So no, it's been a while. We were recording quite regularly, but life stuff got in the way, didn't it? Mm-hmm. It does unfortunately work and things. Capitalism actually gets in the way. It does be having fun. It does. I feel like we were putting out an episode a week. Yeah. Now we're gonna be due to uh obligations, we're gonna be doing a longer form episode like once a month, aren't we? Yeah. We were thinking of breaking it down into two, but we thought no, we'll love it all in at one. Chuck it all in. Yeah. I think we'll this episode is gonna be more about like where have we been, what we've been doing, catching up on all sorts of media that we've been consuming for the last time. Yes, that's a big one. I'm gonna we'll get to that. And uh we are also gonna break down a film. Yeah, we'll do that as well. Yeah, but if if those of you that couldn't film as well, yeah, we might do. Those of you that couldn't give one shite about our lives or what we you know think about anything else, we'll put a timestamp in to say when the film chat starts. Some of you might not care.

SPEAKER_02 2:47

No, I doubt it, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:49

Yeah, not you only want us for our incredible insights into media, into the carpenter's sun.

SPEAKER_02 2:56

Oh god, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:58

Yeah, we'll get to that.

SPEAKER_02 2:59

I don't even have to do a Nicolas Cage shower. Wow, they have that. You can see the sound part of the sound wave go insane.

SPEAKER_03 3:09

Remember, I love it.

SPEAKER_02 3:12

So, yeah, what's been happening? Not much. In all honesty, no. I I work a lot now more than I did before because I have to to survive in this housecape. Um yeah. Uh I've I I don't put videos out on TikTok anymore. Yeah, so tell yeah, let's go, let's go with it to that. That's that's not happening now. Because of overbearing censorship, I just can't deal with the battle anymore. Because I can't fight the global corporation that is TikTok. Yeah. Just being me. It's impossible. Because the stuff just gets removed all the time for everything.

SPEAKER_00 3:54

So let's not forget those of you that don't know, John's. Yeah, let's put it in context. Um high inquiries. I mean, you got a hell of a following, 200,000 odd. Yeah, just over, yeah. And you are, as Wikipedia states, the uh the father of core core.

SPEAKER_02 4:08

Yeah, was it grandfather or father? Yeah, I think it was one or the other, father of core core.

SPEAKER_00 4:12

I thought it was godfather.

SPEAKER_02 4:13

Oh I'll take that. I think it's father. I'll take that.

SPEAKER_00 4:18

Have you ever seen those? Uh no. Oh god, no, yeah, we need to do that. They're on the list. Yeah. Um, but yeah, so you are you are named as that. And I suppose uh yeah, you used to get the odd bit removed, didn't you?

SPEAKER_02 4:30

It wasn't, yeah, but now it's excessive.

SPEAKER_00 4:33

Do you think that's because your content's changed or because TikTok are just getting wise to what you should do?

SPEAKER_02 4:37

I think since the change of ownership of TikTok in a in the United States has got extremely difficult to post anything. Right, okay. That pretty much just suggests that Donald Trump has committed any crimes, especially. Yeah. And certain nation states. Um, if you mention anything to do with that, that's an issue.

SPEAKER_00 4:59

I mean, yeah, let's talk about when you uh had didn't you get some insights into who'd been searching for your that was interesting, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:07

You need to be careful what you say on here because of who owns Spotify. Okay. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There were some interesting searches in some regions of some nation states that you wouldn't really think would be interested in searching my home address. Yeah. So it was my yeah, my TikTok name and my personal name. They were searched on the same day. Yeah. And then uh yeah, I think my address was searched the following day. So that's great. That was good to know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And also, which uh which uh is quite convenient probably for them. Put that in a little inverted. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because we're not naming who. No, of course. I mean, yeah, in nation state in the certain volatile region. Um conveniently for them, I live down the road from a quite a large donut building that's uh quite good for listening, I can imagine, to people. Yeah. Um it has an abbreviated name. Um what is it? Uh uh BQHG. I think if you jumble those back round in a different way, uh it makes some sense. But yeah, that's that'll be quite convenient for them as well. So yeah. So yes. So now I'm not on TikTok anymore. Well, I'm there, and my stuff, the stuff I've posted will always remain there. Until they take it all down. Until they take it all down, which they're probably going to slowly do.

SPEAKER_00 6:29

I would have liked to have thought of these um potential sort of military types coming to where you live and being met by the natives. You imagine. At the at the at the gates of your estate. Yeah. And like St. Paul's estate. Realising they'd made a mistake.

SPEAKER_02 6:47

Yeah, that'd just be bins on fire. Yeah. Just just be just to defend High Inquiry's freedom of speech.

SPEAKER_00 6:56

That's it. I doubt that. So how's the Patreon? So you've gone on Patreon now, yeah. For free. We gotta see.

SPEAKER_02 7:03

Well, there's free and there's paid. Yeah. So I post so I post sort of my standard TikTok y stuff, my TikTok length stuff. All that will go on as as free. Yeah. So they're free posts and free members, and you can register for free. I'm just doing an advert now. Um and then there's paid posts, yeah, which are longer. And I get to use you know the beautiful thing about Patreon is that they in a way they don't really they leave it up to you to deal with the copyright issues. Okay. So if they get slapped with a copyright thing, they'll send it to you and say you probably should remove this, but they won't, I don't think they even physically remove it themselves. I haven't received anything so far. So I can use all the footage I've used, I've used. Yeah. The music, I've used longer music clips. Now I can literally go on and just take the whole track now and use the whole track. Whereas before I was limited to sort of what TikTok had on their database, what I could use, and it was usually a minute long. So now I can go two, three minutes long and get completely carried away.

SPEAKER_00 8:01

Well, that's good, because for those that actually watch every one of your videos, um, it's easy transition, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 8:07

Yeah, and there's a few paid members on there now, so that's nice. That's good. So that's yeah, hopefully over time they'll accumulate, but it's just okay to just doing it consistently and building it up over time again, really.

SPEAKER_00 8:17

That's all you did on TikTok, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 8:18

Yeah, that's all you've got to do, yeah. So that's that's where we are with that.

SPEAKER_00 8:21

Yeah. And those of you who had a sharp eye may well have noticed the high inquiry's tag on a recent Louis Thurmoe documentary.

SPEAKER_02 8:32

I think well, a few people definitely did notice because uh they were DMing me and commenting quite a lot on it.

SPEAKER_00 8:37

Yeah, as soon as I saw it, I was like, pause it. I've got to text them. Yeah, and then that was a very strange situation to be in. Um because yeah, you commented something about HS Tiki Talkie, didn't you?

SPEAKER_02 8:48

That this will be the end. I think my exact words were this will be the end of HS, thank Christ. That was it. Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:56

And yeah, it made it.

SPEAKER_02 8:58

Made it right in there. Slap bang, yeah, 50 odd minutes in. You really have to wait for the moment. Yeah. But um that's a bit for me. Yeah, I think so. I think it was the most insightful part of the documentary. Um and now me and Louis Threw are friends, and uh I'm gonna go on his podcast soon. Yeah, BBC. Get him on. I mean, obviously I'm very restricted about what I can say on there as well, but you know. Actually, it's not a BBC podcast, is it? It's a Spotify podcast here. Oh, yeah, you even yeah, that's true, actually.

SPEAKER_00 9:29

Yeah. Oh no. It was a good documentary. It was one of the most we were talking about this. I still haven't watched it. Oh, you haven't watched the whole thing?

SPEAKER_02 9:36

No, I just saw the comment. I just fast forwarded it. I only want I don't I don't watch anything. Terrible.

SPEAKER_00 9:42

I write stuff. Well, yeah, yeah. You've got a creative streak, whereas I tend to consume more shit. No, that's good.

SPEAKER_02 9:50

I think that's you know what? I think the art of stray off topic slightly, but I think the art of consuming stuff, of being a fan of stuff, right? And being like a film geek and collecting all certain film memorabilia, that art is dying. Yeah. That sort of thing. Every now because of the obviously the birth of the internet and the rise of the internet over the years, now everyone can has the opportunity to become famous and to create stuff. Everyone feels like they have to. You don't have to.

SPEAKER_00 10:19

No, you don't.

SPEAKER_02 10:19

You just collect shit.

SPEAKER_00 10:20

Yeah. And just really enjoy it. There's not the same feel for yeah, loving a certain type of media and kind of consuming it in its entirety. I feel like everything's so disposable now, and and there's so much that you don't know whether it's real or not. Like the new Vice, so Vice, I Vice magazine I uh subscribed to. Might be going bust at some point. Mate, the stuff they make is incredible.

SPEAKER_02 10:48

I was in an article for Vice.

SPEAKER_00 10:49

Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:50

Yeah, if you search up Corecore Vice, yeah, uh interview for them. That was class. Some woman, yeah. She uh I can't remember her name, the journalist, but yeah, she she was on FaceTime to me chatting away about core core. That was in the good old days. Yeah. When everyone was like, What's this? Let's give it a name. And then now they're just like, Okay, now it's got a name, let's reproduce it over and over and over and over again. But anyway, Vice, sorry.

SPEAKER_00 11:13

No, no, it's it they their most recent issue that landed the other day for me was is like the the death of the the it's basically the theme is is the death of the photograph. Yes, and the front cover is an AI'd version of the Epstein uh picture with I think it's with Trump or it might be with Maxwell. But they've changed it. I've never met Epstein. Well, no, of course not, but they've changed the picture that it's Michael Jackson still next to him, right? Yeah, and it's quite a striking image, and the magazine's huge this month. I don't know why it's so big, but basically it's talking about the fact that from the invention of the camera through to 2025, it's now it's dead. Like the art of photography is no longer it's been forever changed by AI. Well, digital, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:03

Digital started changing it, and now we've reached a point in the digital age where we can just manipulate and create the image from nothing. That's that's the thing, right? Well, from like yeah, I don't know, a small African village's water supply that we can create it from that, but yeah, it's it's destroyed it. Yeah, because you what power does it have really to just to find something and take a picture when you can just create it, you can just generate it.

SPEAKER_00 12:27

Or you just it's already been taken, so you just find it and you just hang it on your wall as if you doesn't matter whether you took it or not. There's still obviously an art and a passion to to photography, absolutely, but I just it was speaking more to the the shift in uh kind of uh how uh how we that it's lost its specialism.

SPEAKER_02 12:50

A hundred percent. And I think it's the same with like with people collecting things and becoming fans, like that's not just uh that's just not a fan anymore. That's that's like your um it's a cult film then, or there's a there's a cult surrounding it, you know. That people love it. Well, that's no, it's just fans of the film. Yeah, yeah. Like I don't understand that shift from like if you look at the 70s well even in the 70s and eighties they called them cult films, but they weren't cult films when they were out, they were usually bombs, you know, they die. But they're just fans of that film, yeah, you know, and they love it, and I think that's an okay thing. I don't think you need to put labels on it, but people always do, don't they?

SPEAKER_00 13:31

So yeah. We were talking quite a lot in the time between recording where we were speaking about how we used to sort of pick um old classic films, whatever, you know, from whenever, and we discuss one a week, and you know, I think our still our most downloaded is the killing of a sacred deer. Um La Haine's up there. Yeah. La Haine's still up there, and then and then some of the other ones that were a bit more quirky and ones that sort of blew my mind. Um but then weirdly, which we didn't expect to happen, because we did heads of state when it came out, people were interested. But but it's we're in such a disposable time that we were talking about how when we plan to record again, say three or four weeks ago, films came out that week on Netflix and Prime, and by now we're recording it at the end of April. No one gives a shit anymore. They've been watched by those that are gonna watch them, they'll never watch them again. No, so no one's gonna watch Project Hail Mary twice, no, no one's gonna watch Balls Up twice, which apparently is horrendous. I saw a thing for that the other day. I love the guys that play the character Cam in Modern Family. Okay, oh my god, I mean hilarious. There's one scene where he's talking to this group of women at the book club, and oh my god, like those that are seeing it will know what I'm talking about. But he because he's gay, he the way that changes the interaction with these, he actually goes, I'm gay, and they're like, Oh, my grandson's gay, okay, and she says the name, and he she she says the name, and it's like uh Jewish name. Okay, can I say that? Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. And she's like, But you probably don't know him, and he was like, Yeah, I do, brown hair, circumcised, and like it just makes the assumption, and then they all burst out laughing. So he is comedic acting, it's fantastic, but I had no desire at all to watch that film. No, unless we said almost tongue in cheek, satirically, we're gonna do it, which was the idea of heads of state. Of heads of state, yeah. But it's got a lot of downloads because people thought, oh, okay, well, this is new. I've watched it this week, I'll listen to a podcast, but and then I'll never think about that film again.

SPEAKER_02 15:51

Well, this is the in the the age now of film, yeah, and with it's streaming that's done this because obviously in the 70s, 80s, 90s, early 2000s, even you you didn't have that accessibility. You if you wanted to watch a new film, it was released at the cinema and it had a month run if it was a big one, yeah, and you you know you had time to go and watch it. If you missed it, you missed it, and you wait for it to come out on DVD. Yeah. Nowadays you can either go to the cinema or choose to pay 15 quid to get it at home. And it's just you and it's just you do it, you consume it, and you get on with your day. Yeah. And it's not an event now, is it? That's the thing. It's not we're going to the cinema. No, no, no. It's oh I'm gonna press this button on the remote, sit down where I normally sit. Yeah, yeah. There's nothing different about the setting, no change of anything. You didn't get dressed up.

SPEAKER_00 16:34

You can pause it as much as you want to go and check your phone.

SPEAKER_02 16:37

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and you can sit there with your pants on if you want. Pants off if you want.

SPEAKER_00 16:42

If you really want, if that's your thing. Naked with a towel down and do that if you've got leather seats, that's horrible. Oh gosh. Um uh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:52

That that the age of consumption has created a system where the cinema isn't really that important anymore.

SPEAKER_00 16:59

And I find with with for me, um we had a lot of conversations about this at work recently, where we're talking about uh neurodiversity and neurodivergence, and talking about people with ADHD in particular, like to go back to the same familiar things because it takes the uncertainty away, and it really struck a chord with me because when I look at um what's available to me on my fire stick of um I open Prime, let's say, and every film I've ever wanted to watch is on there. I can't pick one. No, no, I tried one battle after another, I got half an hour in, I stopped. Did you?

SPEAKER_02 17:38

I was okay. I haven't seen that yet.

SPEAKER_00 17:40

Yeah, I you know prime now, isn't it? I can't remember where I was. I think it's prime, but yeah, and then I started um uh Killers of the Flower Moon.

SPEAKER_02 17:51

Oh, yeah, the three and a half hour long appearance.

SPEAKER_00 17:53

Got about an hour in, stopped, started Train Dreams, Joel Edgerton, meant to be amazing, got about half an hour in. I got bored, and even though they're good films, recently I was really looking forward to Waste Man coming out, that really gritty British prison thing. Again, I got halfway through it. I think I stopped watching that because it was so heavy, and because of the work I do dealing with trauma and work into people with people who are severely impacted, probably like going back to work. It is like a busman's holiday watching a film like that. You have to be in the right headspace. But the films that I have watched the most times, I could watch if if I'm at a loose end and I need to just put something on, I would either put on only fools and horses 24 hour channel. Yeah, nice. Because I I know it, I know exactly what's coming, I know all the words.

SPEAKER_02 18:41

Mine used to be uh Alan Partridge Mid Morning Matters, yeah. Uh, and his like I'm Alan Partridge season one, two, and I think that was a season three. Yeah. I just put on I had them on DVD, I just put them on, I'm just watching. I knew the jokes, like I knew that. But they're still funny. Yeah, still funny.

SPEAKER_00 18:55

You can watch Phone Shop over and over again.

SPEAKER_02 18:58

Yeah, and and films-wise, you know what though, I think just quickly, I really think in a way looking at especially comedies and good comedies, if you like things like Annie Falls and Norse is absolutely classic, you know, I mean so achievement of writing, yeah, Alan Partridge, things like that. If you actually rewatch those over and over again, you see such different layers of jokes in there, yeah. And you think, oh my god, the d the writing of that is genius. And you you really get more depth out of it if you I think, especially with comedies, yeah, yeah, because they're easier to just sit and let soak in. And then when you do let them soak in, you're like, oh my god, I never notice that.

SPEAKER_00 19:37

And when it's still funny now when it was written in like the 80s, like stuff like Black Adder. Oh, yeah. Like if you watch like Rick Mail's performances, it would never not be funny. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it'll always be fine. Stephen Fry in it. It's just uh Hugh Laurie, yeah. Because I saw him in um The Night Manager. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. When he plays like this horrible like war monger.

SPEAKER_02 19:58

I heard about that, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:59

And his performance in it is incredible, but then I remember him in Black Adder with being this idiotic, yeah, comedic character, and he can do it all.

SPEAKER_02 20:08

Yeah, because one of my funny enough, one of my children the other day, child number three, he said uh he was talking about house, he was talking about that, and I was like, I never really got into that, and I said it was never really my thing. And he was like, Oh, one of my mates keeps telling me to watch it. I don't know if I should. And I said, I just remember Hugh Laurie like being an idiot in Black Adder. I said, I can't look at Hugh Laurie because he he literally embodied that character so well that I can't look at him now as House and take him seriously. I'm waiting for it to be a skit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like almost like it was such an achievement in comedy, that character and that right. It's almost like Naked Gun and Liam Neeson. I can't watch Liam Neeson in anything soon because he used to try he was to be a serious actor. Yeah, and I've seen him in things like Creep Show, I think it was. Absolutely, but I crack up at it because I'm waiting for him to do a live, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it never comes.

SPEAKER_00 21:00

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 21:02

But yeah, I think it's that.

SPEAKER_00 21:03

And and when the stuff, when it's still relevant now to I mean, obviously there's some stuff in it that would never be so like say like only forces, there's certain storylines that would never be of course, yeah, times change and all that, but it it was what it was, yeah, and you can disagree with the ethical side of it or whatever, but it's you you know there are still massive elements of it.

SPEAKER_02 21:26

Of course you can't. Whereas today, no, I don't think it's very rare that there's I'll I'll give some examples actually say, but it's quite rare that you find a film or a piece of media these days that you can watch over and over again.

SPEAKER_00 21:40

What do you think is the most recent film that you would watch over and over?

SPEAKER_02 21:45

You'll love one of them actually.

SPEAKER_00 21:46

Don't say fucking naked lunch or whatever it is. No, no, no, no. That is I will never watch that film again.

SPEAKER_02 21:52

Never it is a one-time watch. Um recommend for a dream. That's why you forced me to watch that twice now. So that was my one time.

SPEAKER_00 22:00

Or irreversible. That's my one time. I've only watched that. We might talk about that actually, because I think we've watched that in between.

SPEAKER_02 22:06

Yeah, I think we should I think we should probably do that one day. It's still an important it still gets talked about quite a lot now.

SPEAKER_00 22:11

It's very in any thread on Reddit where they say what's the film. It's always starts with recording for a dream and then midway through someone always mentioned irreversible.

SPEAKER_02 22:21

I always go through the comments on TikTok, but it's like that, and if irreversible is not there, I'd straight away irreversible type.

SPEAKER_00 22:27

What would your most recent one be then that you would watch over and over?

SPEAKER_02 22:32

Uh I would say I had Interstellar on in the background the other day.

SPEAKER_00 22:37

Uh see I have not watched that. Just in the background. Again, I started it, I didn't.

SPEAKER_02 22:40

Some people love it, some people hate it. Um yeah, I just had that one in the background. Uh Blade Runner 2049.

SPEAKER_00 22:48

Is that Ryan Goslin?

SPEAKER_02 22:49

Yeah. I have not seen any of those. Well, the original one I love.

SPEAKER_00 22:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:53

Um 2001. Space Odyssey had on in the background, Quebec.

SPEAKER_00 23:00

Yeah, but that's not recent. That's like no, that's no. That's what I'm thinking.

SPEAKER_02 23:03

Well, you mean like recent? Oh, sorry, I thought you meant recent in general. No, no, no, no. Is it so which Blade Runner is the newest then?

SPEAKER_00 23:09

And that's what, seven years old now, I think. Because I can't think of any that I probably the ones I could watch over and over that were uh probably even within the last I don't even know if they're within the last 15 years, would be like Hot Fuzz, Jawn of the Dead, Four Lions. They're probably like last 20 years. I'd say so. And then the one I know that the ones I've watched the most in my life are The Town. I reckon I've seen that over 50 times. You reckon? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:36

Jeez.

SPEAKER_00 23:37

It's my it's a go-to. We'll have to do it one. I've got your little baby.

SPEAKER_02 23:40

That's like me doing Blade Runner. It's my yeah. We haven't done Blade Runner, haven't we? We need to do that. We'll do each other's babies then. Because my baby's the original Blade Runner.

SPEAKER_00 23:48

Mine's I reckon it's the town. What I used to watch over and over as well was Blood Diamond. Oh, yeah, I remember you said about that. I loved that film. But again, it's it's very heavy.

SPEAKER_02 23:58

Very.

SPEAKER_00 23:59

But people sort of slate uh DiCaprio's performance in it because of his accent.

SPEAKER_02 24:03

But he th his accent was alright.

SPEAKER_00 24:05

I think it was really when I watched it, I thought it was okay.

SPEAKER_02 24:07

I mean you should know. When I've seen you well, yeah. From Rhodesia. There we go. Rhodesia. Um, but yeah, it's when I saw it, I thought that's pretty much a Rhodesian well Zimbabwean accent. Yeah. We say Zimbabwean accent.

SPEAKER_00 24:20

Dewey.

SPEAKER_02 24:20

Dewey.

SPEAKER_00 24:21

Um yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:23

So yeah, those ones I think I would watch over and I would say one that's probably stood out to me, actually, that's more recent than Blade Runner that I probably could, and I have had on in the background, but now it's moved to Paramount, and I don't own Paramount because I refuse to give all these streaming services my money. Yeah, but it was Top Gun, a new Top Gun. Like that's just just the I like I've always loved planes, yeah, and like fighter jets, and just watching them move through the air just astounds me. Yeah, and just the adrenaline rush of imagining being in the cockpit, and the footage in that film is insane. Have you seen it? No, I'm not saying any of the top gun films. You need to just to get your American like yeah, yeah, very powerful. Fuck yeah, I'll watch that again. Oh, that's that I could watch that anytime. That's great.

SPEAKER_00 25:09

That still made me laugh out loud. Yeah. When it cuts to Kim Jong Il.

SPEAKER_02 25:15

Oh and it's Ill, yeah, sorry, yeah. And those the terrorists when he the Chechnians when they're talking delivering the bomb. Yeah, it's it's shoots his uh trans layer.

SPEAKER_00 25:24

And it just the the the songs are a genius.

SPEAKER_02 25:30

So only it's sadly yeah, it's great. I love it. Fuck you, Hans. Puts him in the shark type, but it's just a golf fish. Such so good. And then when the Black Panthers get released, it's just cats.

SPEAKER_00 25:47

I love it. It's incredible. I watched um Wayne's World and Wayne's World 2 again. Oh classic.

SPEAKER_02 25:52

Yeah, um weirdly because I spent a week, take me where uh I haven't got a jacket at all. Yeah, you haven't got a jacket, I'm really low on gas.

SPEAKER_00 26:00

That's so ridiculous, it's amazing. I love it. I uh I found myself because I stayed at my parents for a week when my uh family went away without me. And uh I just ended up again, I had all the time in the world, I wasn't at work, and I was just there with uh Skybox, which I don't have Sky at home. So and again, every anything and everything I wanted to watch was there, and I ended up watching Waynesville, Wayne's World 2 and all of the um Leslie Nielsen the ones you were just gonna the police academy series as well.

SPEAKER_02 26:32

I love that. That's hilarious going back. But you know what it is though?

SPEAKER_00 26:36

It's because there's so much stuff, it's it's so overwhelming that you just think, okay, I'm gonna go for something comfortable that I know because someone would have said that for them it's Gilmore Girls, they can just put it on okay, yeah. But because it reminds them of that sort of teenage years, they really just fit that, yeah. It's like for me, like the familiarity of stuff like I don't know, friends or the Simpsons or Joe would be friends, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:57

I like I'm more Simpsons, yeah. Uh I'll always put that on if I'm eating dinner by myself at home. If Joe's probably reminds me of being getting over for Arrested Development, you ever done that one? Oh Netflix, yeah. Watch that. Um can't remember Jason Bateman. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh my god, it's hilarious. Yeah, there's some absolute stars in that actually before they got super famous.

SPEAKER_00 27:15

Yeah, I've I think I've seen some of the yeah, some of it it's so ridiculous, but it is hilarious.

SPEAKER_02 27:20

Yeah, that's one of my comfort ones, though. Just still that one with dinner.

SPEAKER_00 27:23

It's a there's something about the neurodivergent side, is that is that lack of having to worry about what's coming. And it's just that sort of calming, I don't have to think about this. It doesn't matter if my attention drifts away. No, but weirdly for me, it drifts away less when it's something familiar than if it's something new. Because I feel like I have to make myself I've got this like obligation to myself that when a film like The Irishman comes out, I'm like, well, I I need to watch it because it's going to be great, but then I can't face three and a half hours.

SPEAKER_02 27:57

That's a hell of an investment of time these days. Like the one thing I struggle with not having enough of is time. Yeah, like I need more time all the bloody time. Yeah. Um, and three and a half hours it's a lot, it's a lot. I mean, I've watched The Irishman, yeah. But I have to watch it in chunks. No, I watched it in parts. I think I watched it an hour, just over an hour each time segment. So I watched it like three different parts.

SPEAKER_00 28:19

That's what I did with flowers, flower media.

SPEAKER_02 28:21

Yeah, but then I just you I make it like a TV series, then yeah, but then I tend not to even be able to sit down and watch those anymore. No, I can't like I can't, I don't even watch a series anymore because I'm so like Joe just sits down and whacks one on and she's invested, mate. That's it. Yeah, whereas thing I like for it's different for her, but I smoke, yeah. Okay, so I I'm like, I'm gonna go out for a fang and then she's like yeah, not in between the episode, but uh not sorry, not in the episode, but like even in between the episode, she's like, Oh now I've got a way, yeah. Where she just let it roll, yeah, yeah, yeah. And she'll watch like six episodes of something in a night.

SPEAKER_00 28:52

Mate, this is what I can't do either. I've got a two and a half year old. Like when she's gone to bed and I need to go to bed, the time between bed making dinner, eating it, and uh when I'm watching something serious, I can't eat. No, I have to focus. Yeah, I just want back. That's why I put like a rest of the moment. This is where I end up either watching Goggle Box or Maiden Chelsea.

SPEAKER_02 29:15

Oh god.

SPEAKER_00 29:16

Made in Chelsea for me is like in a a complete escape from normal life. Well, it's definitely that's so it's definitely that insanely disconnected. And what my one of my mates, Fee, he watches it as well. And me and him will message each other, and our other mate in our chat will be like, What the fuck are you talking about? And I'll be like, Oh yeah, remember when some prints are dying, and we're and I'm like, I get invested in it.

SPEAKER_02 29:42

Yeah, there have been times in the past actually where I've fallen down rabbit holes and like shows like that. So Love Island, oh god, and once Joe starts watching if we haven't watched them in years, but you know, when she used to, before all the suicides, um, you know, it's like who's gonna who's gonna die this year? That's basically what it became. Yeah, um and then uh oh and then Caroline Flag, wasn't it? Yeah, then the B kind, and then everyone forgot about that. Anyway, um Love Island, that's one. Another one was like uh Married at First Sight. Oh, certain ones of the Australian one I used to watch. Well, yeah, that was the first ever one we watched was the Australian one. Then we watched the Brit a couple of British ones, but the Australian one, yeah, they're just great, yeah, absolutely hilarious. Yeah, and it's just car crash TV. Yeah, that's it, it's just an escape from real life. Because I just think, oh, my life's actually great and simple.

SPEAKER_00 30:30

And what I like about Chelsea is the drama and the way they deliver it. It's the fact that you just called it Chelsea is so familiar. I know. Um, but the way they put each other down because they're so posh and so from another place, yeah, that it just it it's hilarious.

SPEAKER_02 30:46

Yeah, it is hilarious, it's so funny, it's great to watch. Um maps, that's what it's called, isn't it? Yeah, that's right, yeah, that's the abbreviation.

SPEAKER_00 30:54

Yeah, I um I tend to get a lot of the shit TV via Goggle Box now, like see enough of it. Sometimes I'll see a clip and I'll go, oh, that'll be good. Like I watched 56 Days that was on Prime. Yeah, that was quite good. Yeah, reviews were shit, but they will they will be because it's not groundbreaking TV.

SPEAKER_02 31:11

I don't take any notice of the reviews anymore. No, because I think I there's a lot of stuff that I like that uh the majority of people don't like. So why would I rely on the majority of people to tell me what I should know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 31:23

If some of it's rated shit and I tend to look at the ones that give it like eight out of ten, and they'll say, don't get the hate that it's actually all right for what it is. Yeah, but this is the thing, the stuff isn't gonna be released now that's ever gonna top the Dark Knight or no um no, you know, Goodfellas or The Godfather or Shaw Shank. See now you mean it's just not like that.

SPEAKER_02 31:46

Yeah, I mean anything back in the day, the huge releases Star Wars, yeah, the original releases, things like that. Indiana Jones. Yeah, they were huge. Most of Spielberg's filmography, if you look back, yeah, through the even when he was first starting out in the 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s, they were huge blockbusters, every film. Yeah, and they were huge events. You don't get that now.

SPEAKER_00 32:10

You don't you I literally messaged all my mates the other day and said, Shall we all take a loan out and go to the cinema to watch the final Jackass? Yeah, because it's something I've grown up with, right? I used to watch all that stuff on you know I used to watch all the series.

SPEAKER_02 32:23

I've my I've introduced my kids to it, they find it hilarious.

SPEAKER_00 32:26

And I watched Dirty Sanchez as well, which was like the Welsh show.

SPEAKER_02 32:29

It's wild. I follow one of them on one of those guys on TikTok. Which one? He's um what's the blonde guy's name?

SPEAKER_00 32:34

Dayton. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, follow him. Yeah, he's on there. And then Pritchard's the one he runs. Oh no, it's Pritchard. It's Pritchard.

SPEAKER_02 32:40

No, Pritchard's the little one, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 32:41

No, no, that's Pancha.

SPEAKER_02 32:42

Oh no, Pit Pritchard, I follow them.

SPEAKER_00 32:43

Yeah, he's he runs sleep when you're dead in um Cardiff. It's a tattoo shop or bar. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah. He's called Footman. But like, yeah, so they they were another level to Japan's sleep.

SPEAKER_02 32:52

No, they they were crazy, like circumcision self-done circumcisions.

SPEAKER_00 32:58

Do you remember when they went round the world and they did, I think it was the Seven Deadly Sins? No, and um they they they convinced Pritchard that when they went to Japan, like gambling was like, you know, so I think I can't remember which sin it was, they were trying to lust maybe read, yeah. Could I don't fucking know? I should know, I'm Catholic, but yeah. Um it's all it's all long gone. But they they got him to play this career. Yeah, yeah, I'll do it down the line. Um and they they come like they convinced him that this game, these Japanese guys were sort of like not speaking English, and the translator was saying, Oh, you've just won this amount of money, and like by the end of it, it was all fake. And he got this, and they also got him to break the world record for the amount of paintballs being shot at somebody. I think I've seen that. And at the end of it, he's buzzing when he gets past the number, and they're like, There isn't a record. No, it's nothing. They are sad. They're brutal with it.

SPEAKER_02 33:52

And they always used to. This is the little dude, right? Pancho, yeah, Pancho.

SPEAKER_00 33:55

I think I can say little Richard was the one who got shot with the yeah, he was the man as well.

SPEAKER_02 33:59

Yeah, but they used to. I remember the amount of times they used to be camping in, they'd just tie his feet with a rope and then just drive off at about 40 miles an hour. I'm just like, okay, yeah, there's a limit.

SPEAKER_00 34:11

Yeah, but yeah, they were wild. I mean, like Jack has punched each other in the bollocks and like you know, yeah, but some of the skateboard into a cactus.

SPEAKER_02 34:18

The high five is still one of the greatest things I've ever seen as it comes around and hits BAM and he literally just goes flat. It's one of the greatest pieces of slapstick comedy, literally slapped, that I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_00 34:28

Do you remember when Hulk Hogan tweeted saying, Oh bam, I miss you, brother, and like you're no longer with us, but you know what I'd give to see you again?

SPEAKER_01 34:37

And he was like, I'm still alive, brother. But then when Hulk Hogan died, Bam did the exact same tweet about him. Nice, fucking brilliant. And then I got onto this.

SPEAKER_02 34:46

Bam's actually sorting himself out a little bit. He's backscating and he's doing really well.

SPEAKER_00 34:51

He's sober, I think. That came up that tweet thing, and it it showed other insane tweets that he could have done. And there was a few celebrity ones where they'd um they'd searched for stuff. Oh, yeah, bad.

SPEAKER_01 35:09

But then tweeted it and then tweeted delete. So and the best one was The Rock. Oh when the Queen died, he tweeted, Oh rest in peace to Her Majesty the Queen. But um, it's such a shame she won't be able to go to watch to watch Black Adam in cinemas released on this date.

SPEAKER_02 35:29

As if that as if that would have been her one of her first thoughts.

SPEAKER_01 35:32

Yeah. Oh no, I can't watch Black Adam. Can't go to Odeon.

SPEAKER_02 35:37

Like, yeah, the Odeon, Leicester Square, Black Adam have just come out. Absolutely. CGI madness. Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_00 35:45

Yeah, there's still that nostalgic bit with like stuff like Jack's when they do a new one, but also other films they just get flogged to death now, as well when they keep remaking.

SPEAKER_02 35:54

Oh, well, Spielberg was talking about this the other day. He was quoting an interview as saying, um cinema and filmmaking in general is gonna die if if we constantly rely on IP, so intellectual property of something else, yeah. Like a book, yeah, or a novella or comic. If there's nothing original made, then it will die. Yeah. Because that it's a that's a finite amount of things you can you can go to.

SPEAKER_00 36:23

And it's the same for films, for series, for for music. I've been listening to stuff like uh Frank Ocean recently, and I was saying to my mate, the reason everyone loves what he did was because it's it's immortalized in that time. Like he doesn't just release album after album after album. People talk about someone like Lil Wayne as being a great rapper, but when he's released 20 albums, it gets diluted down. Whereas Frank Ocean's released two. One of my favourite artists, Cass is dead, the sort of rap artist from the uses the 80s since stuff. Yeah, I love it. But he's released one album and one mixtape. Yeah, and when he's a featured on a song, I'm like, if I find it, I'm like, oh my god, I found like a part of history. Yeah, it leaves you wanting more.

SPEAKER_02 37:06

It does, yeah. And it's yeah, that's what it should be. It's special, then, right? It means something's gone into it, something, some real effort, as opposed to just churning out content. Which content that word itself should be made a crime.

SPEAKER_00 37:21

But this is it, the sort of you going back to what you said at the start about people. You know, I watched an interview on Jackmate with Bivo, and he was basically saying, Everyone in my life hates me now, but I'm making money, so it doesn't matter. Yeah, and then Jackmate's like, You've just said that you'd give it all up for a handful of good mates. He's like, Yeah, but it's like, no, no, I saw that that's that's that's the truth of it. Yeah, you don't want all this. Terrible. It's so sad. He put his mum on OnlyFans. OnlyFans. Oh Christ. I know his mum didn't talk to him, and she released video like whatever Bivo says like that's your son. Yeah, what are you calling him by? It's like that's like that's like your mum calling you high inquiries.

SPEAKER_02 37:59

That would be so surreal. Well, the high inquiries is saying is well, I'd never put my mother on OnlyFans. Can I just clear that up? Jesus.

SPEAKER_00 38:08

Um yeah, I just don't understand it. Yeah, I'd just content for content's sake. Like the Manosphere.

SPEAKER_02 38:15

She's still doing OnlyFans.

SPEAKER_00 38:16

I think he said she stopped now. She made some money, she made like seven grand or something. Whoop whoop. Yeah, like, oh yeah. Oh um, but you're on there forever. Like the yeah, exactly. And the man the manosphere stuff was very similar. It was just this idea of like, I'll say whatever I need to say to get a reaction. And then I suppose the danger of that becomes when people start idolising you and believing what you're saying.

SPEAKER_02 38:38

Wow, yeah. Um, I I honestly look at these people. This is the thing though, right? I look at these people and I just think they're just hucksters. They're not I don't think they actually believe what they're even saying half the time. No, I think they know it's ridiculous, yeah. But they've monetized it.

SPEAKER_00 38:54

And the buzz is that people believe it in the and they're like, okay, I see it every day with with with politicians, they lie.

SPEAKER_02 39:00

It's exactly the same thing, yeah. It's just on a larger scale. Yeah, just happens to be that they're controlling the country as opposed to all the world watching.

SPEAKER_00 39:07

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 39:08

So yeah, it's just on a smaller scale, a load of crap, really.

SPEAKER_00 39:11

Going back to what you said earlier about people who you can't see in other roles, there's certain people who that I I see that. Like uh the guy who played Ross in uh Friends, yeah, he was in that war film, and he's in all the army gear, he was in Band of Brothers in series. That's it, yeah, and everyone just posts a picture of him and just like I just this is Ross. Same with um Matt LeBlanc, Joey, yeah, yeah, he'll always be Joey. I mean, to be fair though, other than probably Courtney Cox and Jennifer Aniston, all of them are the same in that series. But if you've had the roaring success of what you've done to be a character, if you set out to be an actor, yeah, and you end up job to the best of your ability.

SPEAKER_02 39:52

Of course, yeah, that is it. You've completed acting in theory, you're done.

SPEAKER_00 39:55

But then I think I also respect those that you can believe in other stuff. So, like Daniel Radcliffe, I always thought was always going to be Harry Potter. But in Escape from Pretoria, he's great. Yeah, I need to see that Jamseen. It's very good. And I've seen him in a few other things, and I think actually fair play. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:11

Woman in Black is apparently terrifying with him in. Oh, yeah, I haven't seen that. It's like a really low-rated horror film as well. And everyone, uh the one of the other podcasts I listen to, I know it's terrible. Um, they say uh that that's actually insane rating by the BBFC. Oh really? They've actually rated it. I think they upped it then.

SPEAKER_00 40:28

Right, okay.

SPEAKER_02 40:29

But it was originally like a 12.

SPEAKER_00 40:30

Oh, geez.

SPEAKER_02 40:31

A 12A. And then like they're yeah, these kids go to apparently there's some terrifying moments in it. I haven't seen it, but yeah. No, he's easy. There are certain actors that can embody multitude of codes. Like, for instance, I know it's the extreme end of the spectrum, but Daniel Day Lewis, yeah. Like you look at him and you think, okay, you could do anything.

SPEAKER_00 40:50

Like you could just play anything. You completely see him as different people.

SPEAKER_02 40:54

Same with I think every time.

SPEAKER_00 40:56

Um what's his name? James McAvoy.

SPEAKER_02 41:00

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 41:01

Incredibly underrated.

SPEAKER_02 41:03

Yeah, I think so, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:04

Yeah, he's great, but he can do anything. He uh I mean we watched him in um what did we see him in? No, I watched him in uh I've seen him in Split. Yeah, no, that yeah, that's it. Where he plays different multiple personalities in that and switches an achievement in acting there. Um and I also think um Yeah. I would say, yeah. I would say he could have so easily just always been, and he will in some people's eyes always just be what's his name from Twilight.

SPEAKER_02 41:34

Yeah, but he really he really went out of his way to to prove a point and to be like, well, okay, I can do anything now. Well look at him in Lighthouse that we incredible, yeah, incredible. There's there's a few like that. You like me, lobster. Amazing, absolutely wild film. But that that see, those sort of films, those to me are masterpieces. Yeah, the the uh and the the the witch, the witch, Robert Eggers again. Yeah, that's uh that's a masterpiece in writing. Yeah, to to get that old English and to study it to the level where you can write it as a screenplay, yeah, yeah, is insane. It is amazing. Like the effort is just incredible.

SPEAKER_00 42:12

But then the guy in that I would always see as Chris Finch from The Office. I can't not.

SPEAKER_02 42:16

Yes, Finchie. Finchie.

SPEAKER_00 42:18

And it's the funniest thing on Reddit when he's in anything else that people take a still of it and they put it on the Ricky uh the Ricky Gervais or the office thread, and it'll just go from uh he reads a scripture a week, so or he's you look like you're having a uh rather than a pot noodle and a wank, like uh uh something of like they do like oh like the references that people do are actual genius, and also the one that and he fucking hates it is Matt King, who was super hands in Peep Show. Oh I was in Hastings for a gig and bumped into the guy who made that show with him. I remember saying about it, I shouldn't remember what it was called. Um but he was in Peep Show as well. He played Darren the racist, who I can't quote the bit. Oh my god. When I went up to him and said, Are you well they do the reenactments? Yeah, yeah, and he goes, Oh, it's nice to get away from the city.

SPEAKER_02 43:12

Well, we're still pretending, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:14

And he said goes into that tirade of racial which we can't say um and he as soon as I met him, I was like, Oh mate, you in Peep Show. I said it was class, and he was like, I'm not actually that racist. I was like, No, he said I have to say that to everyone.

SPEAKER_02 43:27

Actually, that racist. Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 43:28

And he was he was golden, but he very quickly said, Oh, you should watch me and Matt King's show. But he gets tagged and stuff all the time online, and he he can't stand the fact that he gets constantly just called superhands.

SPEAKER_02 43:41

Strange, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 43:42

Because again, you it's iconic, right?

SPEAKER_02 43:44

I understand it though, yeah. Like you wanna you've done that, okay. That's part of his life that's done now, so he just wants to move on. Okay, well, I want to do this now, I can do other stuff. Like, don't just focus on superhands. But such an iconic character.

SPEAKER_00 43:58

Mate, it's amazing, and it would never be Be without him. No, I'm gonna ask you something. Go on, let me go on. The new Harry Potter series. Big thing about Snape. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 44:08

You know, I've never watched the films, any of them.

SPEAKER_00 44:10

I know you have to put it in context. But of course, there's been a big thing about um have you not? No. What's the controversy? So they've cast Snape with a black actor, basically. Okay. Um, and there's been a huge uproar about it. Because people are saying, uh But people don't understand that Harry Potter isn't real, right? This is my point.

SPEAKER_02 44:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:34

It's a mythical, it's actually based in a world which it doesn't exist. It's about witches and wizards. Yeah. And he's an incredible actor. I need to find his name. Um because he's been in lots and lots of stuff and he's a very, very good actor.

SPEAKER_02 44:47

I think while you look that up, I'll I'll Yeah, give my give your thoughts. From a two pence. Now, if it's a historical but sort of biopic Papa S D. Yeah, they do, yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, I've seen him before.

SPEAKER_00 45:04

Very good.

SPEAKER_02 45:05

Um if it's a it's a bio if it's a historical biopic of something that actually happened in the records of history.

SPEAKER_00 45:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:11

Okay. Now let's for instance say it was some conflict in the 1800s, and obviously that person was Europe, you know, the people committing the crimes were European, they were obviously they would obviously be white Europeans at that point, okay? Yeah, if they were to change those characters to black, yeah, you would have to question the the thinking behind that, okay? In my mind, if a character has been created in a book let's say 30 years ago, for argument's sake, and then 15 years later it gets adapted to a TV series and they change the characters to certain characters that were white before for argument's sake and change them black. Yeah. Who cares? Really? And what the character's gonna be performing in the series is isn't it's not gonna change the character, then fine, then that then what's the issue?

SPEAKER_00 46:09

I I think people are saying that the way that Snape is talked about in the books, he's obviously described as being like very pale and like longish hair. Now he's like sort of got like dreads in this, but I don't think he's gonna be like doing some spell that's like bomber clerk. No, yeah, some racists. They're gonna go full on yeah, he's gonna play.

SPEAKER_02 46:31

That would actually be awful, isn't it? Because that's the in the that's just racist, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:36

Yeah, yeah, you're actually they're not gonna turn him into a stereotype now.

SPEAKER_02 46:39

No, they're tipped over the edge there, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:41

If they do something like that, yeah. But that was just a big, a big thing that was Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:46

I mean, look, if it's a fictional character, yeah, does it matter that much? It's just an adaptation. People change parts of stories all the time. When when people adapt books, characters get left out in the film version.

SPEAKER_00 47:01

So I watched Wolf Hall, which was about Oh, yeah. No, I watched the first series of that.

SPEAKER_02 47:05

I really enjoyed the first series of that. Really good.

SPEAKER_00 47:07

Um I can't remember who's gonna be.

SPEAKER_02 47:12

Very good.

SPEAKER_00 47:13

Oh, it's great. He was great in that. Um, what's his name out of Homeland, please?

SPEAKER_02 47:17

Yeah, uh Damon Damien, yeah, yeah. Very good. Yeah, he sings a lot now.

SPEAKER_00 47:22

Yeah, I saw oh god, I saw he'd released his own single album, his whole album.

SPEAKER_02 47:27

I'd I'd heard some of it on TikTok the other day. I was like, Damien. Come on now. I don't know, and it was like a it was like a satire, it was like it was a joke, yeah. But it isn't, but it's not no sad thing. It was very real. He was stood in like a doorway at Croydon or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 47:40

Yeah, but that in that was getting attacked, they were quite um the way they portrayed the racial divide between people was was accurate. Yeah, and I thought this, I thought, you know, I would never be like, oh looking on, they've put you blah blah blah into it. But I did think, well, actually, to be accurate for this time, like you said, it's historical.

SPEAKER_02 48:03

You have to be then. I think if you're if you're depicting and and if it's the way it's presented, right? I mean, that is presented as an accurate depiction of the time, yeah. An accurate depiction of events that happened, basically historical events, whereas like Bridgerton, which is not real, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:22

They uh got the most multicultural cast. Oh, yeah, absolutely. It's not real. Yeah, it's it's not historical, it's it's captures a time, but also the presentation is important in the context, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 48:35

Really?

SPEAKER_00 48:35

Yeah, 100%. Yeah. So yeah, lots of uh lots of shit stuff come out, lots of stuff that I've gone back to. Um really enjoyed Four Lines again recently. Absolute genius. I do need to watch that.

SPEAKER_02 48:48

Um do you want to know what Joe's been watching? Yeah, go on. What's Joe been watching? This is a new feature. Yeah, because usually she watches crap. This is my uh better half at home. She goes through a lot of series, whereas I can't really do it as as I've spoken about before. Yeah. Uh but it's currently, what's it called? Oh, what's it? I can't even know what it's called. Animal Kingdom, the Animal Kingdom. It's not uh David Attenborough documentary. Oh no. Um it's about some like white and this is this is how they're described in the show. So this is my description, white trash, sort of surfer community, a surfer family who just go around and do heists and just rob everything. And this this sort of mum is the matriarch, she's in charge of the whole family and keeps holding. And it's actually quite good. Yeah, it's actually quite good. Okay, I've watched as it grabs me quite a lot when I'm walking in and out.

SPEAKER_00 49:46

Can you watch an episode without watching the whole series? Is it one of those where it's like you do you have to watch?

SPEAKER_02 49:52

You probably could get yeah, you could you could watch one and enjoy it still and think, oh, okay, I want to watch the others now. But you could you could watch one and enjoy it, yeah. It's actually really good. It's it's it's actually quite good. It's I always think that a good judge, uh a good sort of marker of how to judge a good show is it is there's silent moments. Is there moments where someone's just stood there just looking at something or just silently doing something with no music, yeah, nothing? Yeah, okay, it doesn't have to be over-stimulated to get his message across. And there's a few of those moments, and I think, okay, that's actually that's good filmmaking.

SPEAKER_00 50:25

We've spoken a lot, haven't we, about how some new films and shows they have to bring you up to speed with and name for you what's happening.

SPEAKER_02 50:35

Well, it's just it's exposition, isn't it? It's just over-explaining everything, putting the plot into the into the dialogue. Like real people don't talk like that.

SPEAKER_00 50:43

Well, when you watch the first scene of Dark Knight, you don't need to know, you don't need to be given the context, it it tells you what's happening. You have to just watch it and just plan.

SPEAKER_02 50:54

But you you get little hints, yeah. Like as they're having their as we see different people from the heist having little conversations in the situation they're in there referencing things, and it's a light reference, and you think, oh, okay, that must mean that. You know, that's that's the way it should be. You know, a perfect example of this. And I actually would love to do a breakdown of the first five minutes of the um film Drive with Bryant Gusling in. Because in that opening sequence, you there's hardly any dialogue, but you you see a representation of him in a hotel room with a TV on, and he's on the phone and he's talking about the job, and he hangs up the phone, you'll never hear from me again. You get an exact representation of the sort of person he is within those first few seconds and how professional he is. Then when he meets up with his mate, you get an exact representation who's um Michael uh Brian Cranston from Breaking Bad. The exact representation of what he is, he's yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. He's all jabber gift of the gap. Yeah. Whereas Ryan Gosling does not say a word through the whole scene to him, he's just listening. And then through that whole sequence, it literally explains the characters perfectly for you without explaining the characters to you, which is the way it should be.

SPEAKER_00 52:12

Where some of these new films, the first scene will be remember at your barbecue last year when your wife said, and it's like oh my and then in the action films, it's like, Do you remember in 63?

SPEAKER_02 52:24

Cambodia. Yeah, yeah. What do you mean? In that village, and it's like, oh, okay, no one talks like this. No one talks like this around a barbecue, you know what I mean. Do you remember back in 63? No, like and it was like they're talking about when a whole village got blown up and like 40 people died. Yeah, you know, you don't talk about things like that. In that it's just it's it's awful filmmaking, and it it it you know what it is, it's not even awful filmmaking because you could you're out you can only make the film the of the script that's given to you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just lazy writing. Yeah, it's just lazy writing, they've got lazy at that point.

SPEAKER_00 52:58

Absolutely awful.

SPEAKER_02 53:00

Um, so yeah, that's should probably move on to the carpenter's before that.

SPEAKER_00 53:05

I need to ask you a question. Okay, our American viewers might not know who uh one of these people are. If Mo Farrah and Luke Litler had to complete a half marathon, okay, but at every mile you had to start and end a 501 leg of darts by actually doing it properly. Yeah. Just you go up three darts, walk away, and you gotta finish on a double who'd win.

SPEAKER_02 53:33

That's a very interesting question. Yeah. You have to think of this mathematically though, because half marathon. Half marathon.

SPEAKER_00 53:39

So there'd be there would be 30, you'd have 13 501s you'd have to take out.

SPEAKER_02 53:46

I think Littler. I said that. Yeah, because I think he could probably walk it in the time that it would take Mo Farah to hit the every one of those 5-0 ones and finish on a double every time. So that's not easy. Yeah. For someone who doesn't play dance. No. I think Littler would do it, and he could probably drink a pint on the way. Yeah, I think he would. And he'd be jeering at the crowd, going, What?

SPEAKER_00 54:09

Oh god, yeah, he didn't, they didn't like it. I didn't go well. No, it didn't go down well at all. Um, yeah, I think he would win.

SPEAKER_02 54:16

I think so, yes. I think Luke Littler if you want to take it completely out of context, I think Luke Littler would beat Mofar in a half marathon.

SPEAKER_00 54:23

Absolutely. And I think Mofar would lose to Luke Littler at darts. Yes. There we go. There's a hot take for you. We'll use that as the thumbnail, be asking. I was at poker the other night and I was asking people, and they were like, Yeah, but what if Mofar practice? I was like, no, you'd have to just go in, yeah. You'd be like, right, you two. Yeah. You're here for otherwise, yeah. You could argue that children in need. Yeah. Yeah. Use it now, you're gonna do it now. And it's gonna be like, oh fuck, you might have a heart attack.

SPEAKER_02 54:49

Right, like yeah, because if you gave them notice, Littler could just go and just train like a madman, couldn't it?

SPEAKER_00 54:54

If you start to thoroughly just stand at a board and just just practice. But I think if you picked an averagely not completely overweight Wednesday night darts league player, I think they'd win over both of them. Like my brother, for example, could probably The Underdog comes through. I think he'd probably take out most of those legs in, I'd say, between 15 and 18 darts. So he wouldn't be around long at the board. And he could probably jog he'd just jog do a light jump to each board. Whereas Farrah could blitz it, but he'd still be taking maybe on double three. Yeah, end up on Madhouse and then wants to. Exactly. So yeah, that was my little I'll try and bring one of them each each.

SPEAKER_02 55:37

Okay, I'll uh you will try and bring one each some stupid celebrity like a uh challenge question metaphorical lundrum.

SPEAKER_00 55:47

Yeah, that's just where are we at? 55 minutes. We'll um we'll put a time stamp in for those that didn't want to listen to all that tripe thoughts about.

SPEAKER_02 55:58

Um excuse me, let me clear my throat for a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 56:01

So when you when you suggested this, I'd never heard of it. I only saw the trailer, okay. Uh that's all I'm saying. Don't know the name of the lad who played Jesus. No, he's not named as Jesus, but we all know he is. Nicholas Cage plays Joseph and FKA Twiggs, who's from Cheltenham, by the way. Is she? She is she went to uh is it King Edward School up in Cheltenham Kings? Yeah, and then went to London after school to do some sort of music thing.

SPEAKER_02 56:25

Hey, back to your roots, come on.

SPEAKER_00 56:26

Yeah, I said to I said to my my I said, Oh, have you heard of FK Twiggs? She went, No, and I went, Okay. And she just paused and she went, Why? And I said, Well, if you don't know who it is, there's no point in there. She went, you might as well tell me that. I went, Well, uh, she she's from Chaptenham and she was she was like, Oh, and I was like, Well, you don't know who it is, it's pointless, but it's a relevant conversation. It could be Derek, really, from Brighton. Um, so yeah, she's from and then so it essentially the overarching idea of this film is that it captures Jesus' teenage years.

SPEAKER_02 56:58

Yeah, we the early years, yeah, the pre pre-Bible epic years.

SPEAKER_00 57:04

Yeah. Um, I think there are references in some scriptures about his earlier, and I think there are writings about it, but I don't know if they're officially recognised. Because you kind of skip that bit when you grow up in around Christianity, you kind of get the birth, and then you get oh, and then he was a bloke and then he was a fella, yeah. So he would have had to like, you know, do the normal stuff.

SPEAKER_02 57:28

This is lazy writing, really.

SPEAKER_00 57:30

Get pubes and stuff, you know.

SPEAKER_02 57:32

Yeah, is that yeah, is that blasphemous? Okay, um can you talk about Jesus' pubes? Did he have pubes? Did he have a manscaped? It was just a Kendall code Kendall style smoothing over of the genitalia area. I reckon he might, yeah. That needs to be used as the soundbite for the episode, that section there. Yeah, um yeah, so I'm not sure about that.

SPEAKER_00 57:54

I was hoping that it would be a bit of a biopic of those years, you know, how he kind of you know lived his life, but it very much wasn't that. It was sort of capturing a very short amount of time, yeah, where he's essentially coming to understand that he's not quite normal.

SPEAKER_02 58:16

Yeah, is it's almost at a crossroads, isn't it? For his pubescent life, his teenage years, he can't is he gonna turn out and is he gonna go the wrong way? Is he gonna become evil? Yeah, is he gonna is he gonna be good? Is he gonna save people? Yeah. I mean, we all know how it ends. Yeah. Spoiler. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:35

Passion of the Christ, they all know.

SPEAKER_02 58:37

Yeah. So I feel how did you feel about it? Go on.

SPEAKER_00 58:40

I went into it of that expectation. It wasn't that. I felt like it was being filmed in someone's garden. Not the garden of Gethsemane, but another garden. Yeah. I thought the set was tin pot. I couldn't quite get around the fact that they tried to make cheese as his character quite true to the part of the world that he lived in. So, like kind of you know, that Middle Eastern Aramaic. Yeah. And then you've got FK Twiggs who's mixed heritage English posh, and then essentially Joseph is like a Californian surfer in a robe with no shoes on. I struggled with that from the off. There was no shadow his. I mean, you can sort of say it's a good performance as as a don't get me wrong. There were moments where I looked at it and I thought, okay, there's something there.

SPEAKER_02 59:43

Yeah, there was something there in the film that I thought, okay, there's it's but it just it's like a lot of nothing to me. Yeah. Like I found I I think I think the character of the girl who is actually turns out to be this well it's Satan. Well, yeah, it is Satan. Yeah, as they call him. I can't stand the way Nicolas Cage says it. I know Satan. I know. Satan! Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:09

Um best character in it. Yeah. By far.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:12

But I really feel like they yeah, I really feel like they could have done more with her.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:17

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:17

And more, more, get more like it's almost like it was just surface level theology. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And just like touching about and like I quite enjoy theology and I want to get into the nitty-gritty of good versus evil, like battling for souls, yeah. Expelled angels.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:33

Yeah, I quite enjoy all that. I mean, let's let's think about the way in which Satan is depicted in Passion of the Christ. Incredible. When Mel Gibson talks about it, he says the the purity of like mother and son is the most pure uh heavenly angelic thing, and he wanted to turn that evil to that moment where they're in the crowd, and the guy who's like in his 40s turns and does that fucking creepy smile. Um that's a great scene. It's incredible, and it and it really depicts how uh elusive and almost like the the most sort of like a like the devil can be like a chameleon, you know, it can just take any form.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:22

It's just what's the embodiment of evil at that moment. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:25

And I liked the girl playing the devil. Yeah, I thought she played it well. I thought it was a good performance.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:31

But she don't think she got enough to do. Yeah, she didn't get enough meat in the script. Too much like around these fucking snakes, like these witnesses. Yeah, what was the snakes? Yeah, like I get the idea of the snake and the serpent, that's fine. We all know that reference when it comes to the story of Adam and Eve and things, like the stuff coming out of people's throats and like pulling it out. I don't I'm not sure about the physical embodiment of that. I was like, hmm, I'd rather that remain a mythical thing. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Because in my thinking, I was thinking logically about it. Every time one of them, one of them grabbed a snake out of the stomach and just threw it to the side, I thought, well, it's just gonna get your leg. Yeah, yeah. Like it's just gonna get you again, because it's it's a horrible snake, yeah. And you've thrown it about a metre away.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:10

They also didn't really go into the what could have been quite the quite um dark, almost like violent side. Again, I'm comparing it to Passion of Christ, and maybe I shouldn't keep doing that. But the scenes where you see the crucifixion and stuff are so heavy and so violent and so raw. Yeah, the bits around the crucifixions and people in cages and stuff, it was more around that time of like lepers and being kept away. Yeah, but they again there wasn't that. It was just a bit soft, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:42

It was just it was like they were just touching on the subject and they didn't really want to get into it, they didn't really want to show you the nitty-gritty, they just want to show you the oh, this is a bit horrible. Here's a woman with a snake in her belly, yeah. That Jesus' gonna remove.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:57

I quite liked the fact that they explored the idea that Joseph maybe didn't quite buy the whole yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:06

I think that's that that's an interesting avenue to go down.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:09

Like that, isn't it? I I don't watch or listen to any of his comedy anymore because it's dog shit. But when Ricky Gervais spoke about it in one of his early ones, he said about how Mary might have come up with oh, I was in the um Sea of Galilee and I splashed up some spunky water. Like and he says a few little difficult questions about the pregnancy from Joseph. You know what?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:31

I think a great film would be just about Joseph and his how his faith is tested by his partner's story. You know what I mean? I think that would be a great film, yeah. Just a very slow cinema piece, you know, like a character piece, it'd be great. But again, it could have been that. Yeah, but it wasn't. It really could have been, it could have been a a multitude of things, and they just seem to have skimmed across them all, yeah, and it becomes nothing in the end. It was a shame. And I I couldn't I really struggled throughout the whole film to believe FK Twiggs as the mother. Yeah. Because to me, if you were to if you were to take the makeup away from the characters, I think the the boy playing Jesus probably wasn't that far away in age from FK Twiggs. And I think, well, yeah, you can't play the mother. Yeah, she looks so young to me.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:28

I mean, we know people are having kids older now, but Jesus.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:31

I know, but still, like it was like you can't that like biologically, it just didn't seem right the age difference between them.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:41

And if you look at the casting in other films that are meant to depict that time, you you wouldn't have had. I mean, I don't know what her heritage is, but I'm assuming she's got maybe one black parent, one white parent, yeah, and then Nicolas Cage is white, yeah, he's just and got still got his California surfers accent, and then you've got this like Aramaic-looking kid.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:04

It was a bit of a mishmash with it, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:07

I quite like the scene where Joseph has been bitten, and the image of the devil is switching between what Jesus can see and what he can see.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:18

Yeah, yeah, the yeah, the actual embodiment of that open torture. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that was quite creepy. Yeah, that I quite enjoyed that.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:26

Yeah, quite enjoyed that scene, and I was like, oh I was watching it late at night and I was on my walking plat with my headphones cut into the telly, so I don't because it's so loud if I if I have to watch a film with it on, I have to have it on like volume 80 and just case everyone in the house up. So I had this really intense like noise cunning headphones on. Oh, and the of course where the pad is in the in the room, the TV's fucking huge in front of it because I'm so close to it. Yeah, it was creepy. And it was creeping me out. It was creepy.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:57

There are creepy moments in it.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:58

I liked some of the dreams. Sequences were quite creepy, weren't they? Where he's just having his night terrors. Well, that about his the the the premonition about his death was actually quite powerful. Yeah. And looking down at his mum, which we know has been shown in.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:14

Well, that was quite eerie. And I like the the cinematic look of those moments I quite enjoyed. Yeah. Looked like quite a nice sort of modern abstract horror. Yeah. Like it was just an abstract black room, and there's the body, you know, stuff like that. I quite enjoy stuff like that. But and then it would just go back and it feels like it was just like, oh well, run of the mill then.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:33

Yeah, he's actually it didn't really get into stuff. Yeah, he's accidentally touched someone who's ill, and now yeah. Again, even that it didn't go into depth of like how all those people would flock to him and want them to cure them.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:46

But it didn't for me, when that the other person attacked the other person and they were like, it's his fault. Yeah, yeah. We didn't go into that enough. I wanted more of that.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:55

No.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:55

Give me more of that. I mean, I get that it feels like it needed to be three and a half hours long.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:00

Yeah, or focus on one thing. Yes. If they'd have focused in completely on the fact that they are seeing him as some kind of it's voodoo, it's because of course we know in in in uh even what even now, uh certain presenting differences are seen as uh satanic. Like I I um I go and do a day talking to mental health at physical health nurses about epilepsy because I've got it, and a lot of the African nurses say that in their country it's still seen as like still now, yeah. You know, it's a demonic possession. Yeah, it's like possession, and you know, of course, we know humans back in the day used to like you know bore holes in the top of your skull. Yeah. So even if they'd have gone down the route of like this is sorcery, it's you know, it's evil, it's he's not normal, we're scared of that. And if they'd have gone down that route or down the route of Joseph's clash of faith, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:00

I think you could have had those two run parallel together because they're both sort of quite challenging questions, aren't they, to ask of yourself and the people around you. So I think that would they there's two good stories there you could have had together. Like with the I found it quite interesting with the teacher when he was doing the readings off the scriptures, and then he brought him back to Joseph, the American Surfer dude from California. Um and he said he was like, What did he say to you? And he was like, He told me when I'd die, things like that. I I think that's quite interesting. Stuff like that should have been more investigated, yeah, 100% more into that, please. And I think it would have been more of a rewarding film.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:39

I completely agree. If they'd have gone down the route of like the clash for Jesus between the good and the evil, yeah, they tried to dip into the fact that he's been treated badly and they keep having to move, so therefore, sometimes he gets pissed off like a teenager would, but his pissed off isn't locking himself in the room and listening to Limp Biscuit, it's telling people when they die. Yeah, but they should have done more of that.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:02

Yeah, I wanted to see more of that. I wanted to see more teen angle stuff, him coming to terms with himself, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:08

And like using it for good and evil and seeing which bit fit better for it. Yeah. But this kind of I also had no feeling at all that Joseph was trying to accept him. No, but they could have explored explored that. That would have been an interesting yeah, character development. Like this sort of like, I love him, but I I can't quite believe he's mine or play it off as play him off as mine. Yeah. And I'm I'm struggling with a little bit light and airy, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:38

It was the problem. There was no real nothing you could get your teeth into. I didn't really care about the characters. I think the only point I really cared about them, and the the the only real bit of the film that really hooked me in, and I was like found myself sort of leaning forward watching was that end sequence. Yeah, when he's at the water and he's looking into the abyss effectively.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:03

And I like the depiction of how god, that was horrendous.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:06

Yeah, like the bodies were bodies of meat, yeah, and just this pile of yeah, that like that. I really enjoyed that. Yeah, and I think okay, this is this has got me now, but then then it just lost me again.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:21

I was thinking the sort of ending where I sort of got a little bit of a like a ping of okay, this is good, is when FKA Twiggs she then puts on the head, the veil, the veil that we all know as being the classic image of Mary. But then I wondered whether Because throughout the film they haven't explicitly named who he is, whether that was meant to be a final nod to oh, that was Mary, by the way. Yeah, it's like well, yeah, no. It's like I knew that because when they call it the carpenter's son, it's meant this is what this is what I thought. The fact they've named it as Joseph's son, it should have been more about Joseph.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:11

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:13

Less about Jesus, more about him, more about his faith, more about his his conflict.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:18

In a real world basis, that story of Joseph, Jesus, and Mary. I think Joseph is the most interesting, compelling character because he would have to be the one in the first instance to come to terms with what his wife was telling him.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:37

And I think in a real world situation that's quite difficult to do.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:39

I mean, if it was now, they'd end up on fucking Jerry Springer. Yeah, or something. Or um or like that scene in Bruno where he's got like the crap. Like the African baby. Adopted the African beer, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:52

But yeah, you know, you see swapped in for an iPod or something. Unbelievable.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:57

You would, you'd see it now on, you know, or or I'm not being funny, I work in mental health, Mary would have been sectioned. Well, you would have been institutional, he would have gone, yeah. And and Jesus would have too, because there's been many people who I've illusions of grandeur. Yeah. It's a very common theme within people who are maybe paranoid schizophrenics, bipolar, other presentations, uh, psychotic, who believe they are Jesus. Oh, yeah. And I wonder whether, if it was all true, if he had come along in the last however many years, whether he would have just been sectioned and bidden off into a secure somewhere. It would have been a sort of quiet and because whoever comes back and says it's me usually ends up in a mental institution. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:41

Um I mean Bill Hicks, the comedian, said it best, right? Years ago. He was a great comedian, American, died of lung cancer there, because he loved smoking way too much. But um, he said that you know, we we have all these people that go through life and they usually have some experience or they have an epiphany and they come back and say, Well, you know, don't worry, none of this is real, or they have a near-death experience. They say, Don't worry, you know, we go somewhere else, none of this is real. And he said, and then we kill those people. So he said, That's all that happens. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're never gonna get anywhere. That's so that's what would happen in modern day. He would either be if in all reality, depending on where he was at the time, Jesus, in a certain region, he would literally be strung up in the street for saying that sort of stuff. Yeah, which is exactly what happened to him then. Exactly. So it would be, yeah, I think any any time if someone comes out and says they're Jesus, yeah, it's never gonna end well. No, absolutely not. So that's probably why when they're like, Oh, why hasn't he come back?

SPEAKER_00 1:13:40

Well, last time he was here, yeah, you nailed him to the cross. Or he has been, and no one believed him. So then he thought, I and above it next time.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:48

That's in a Scroobius Pip song, actually. And Dan you do you remember Scrobius Pip?

SPEAKER_00 1:13:53

No.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:53

Dan Lasack now? No. No, you've listened to him before. You you told me about him years ago, a booker, I think it was. Oh really? Yeah, Scrobius Pip. There's a line in that got uh A Letter from God to Man is the song, and he says in it, uh, You've all been wondering why I haven't come back, but last time I was here he nailed me to the cross.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:11

And I was like, that's yeah. Previous Pip. I've never I I mean I might need to I'll I'll refresh your memory.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:17

He's got he's good, he's good, he's got some interesting lyrics on that. That time we worked together a book at last. Well, that was a special delay. Yeah, yeah, well, last week's a blur. Yeah now, but yeah, so in to summarize, I just feel like it sort of skirted along the top of things, didn't really get into the nitty-gritty of Joseph's um being shout out like he has that one shouty moment where he's like ah, but that's just typical Nicolas Cage. I have to shout at some point in a film. Yeah, I have to shout.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:50

The fact that we haven't really got much to say about it, I think, sums it up. Whereas other films we've done. We can talk about forever. Or like where we did True Detective, two episodes, like two episodes in one episode of the podcast, we could have spoken about that for hours.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:05

Yeah. Like I I don't even want to speak about it because it's is I don't even dislike it that much. I don't like it, I'm just indifferent to it. Yeah, because there was just not much going on.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:14

Yeah, it has made me want to watch Passion of Christ again.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:17

Yeah, see, that's the thing, yeah. And then I started thinking about other films, which is a bad sign. Yeah. If you're sat there thinking, Passion of Christ was great, wasn't it? Then you think, oh well, like this is this is trash.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:27

You do go down a bit of a route because then I start thinking about Apocalypto and I start thinking about other films, and I was like, and of course, because I've watched it now, my phone keeps sending me um you know other clips of films that are like it. Yeah, um, you know, I I literally listened to Chanel Orange, the Frank Ocean album, and all I'm getting now is sh the YouTube shorts of what it was the best song, I think. And it's like, come on, yeah. Um so yeah, it did, it made me think about other things. It does, which is a problem, and it is a divisive topic covering this level, and of course, we're not, you know, uh the recent events in world news around um blasphemy and images being created. Um doctors. Of doctors, yeah, with healing hands.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:18

I saw a great post actually um the other day from our friends over at the Fixate and Binge podcast show he put up on Instagram picture of uh it said uh heroic scene of ER doctors working on a patient, and it wasn't them but in the row. Yeah, it was like just superb. It's amazing, absolutely incredible.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:39

It's always gonna divide people. Some people who are mega religious and don't feel like anything should ever be, you know, uh depicted will always give it a one out of ten. Oh, yeah, always it doesn't fully tell the truth.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:53

The religious zealots will give it ten out of ten because it has Jesus in it.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:57

Yeah. Or or it works the other way because it doesn't quite represent their cult following.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:03

Um exactly, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:05

It doesn't give them their version of Christ, which it won't, no, most of them, based on the standardized version. Exactly. But um just going back to that Trump picture, yeah. I saw a whole breakdown of uh talking about his excuse for doing it and and saying I thought I was a doctor. You know that people were saying that clearly his advisors teams had said to him, say that the picture was doctored, yeah. But he just didn't get it and just went, Oh, right, doctor. Yeah, okay, and now but they're all like slapping their faces in the back when he said doctor.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:40

Um, and do you see the DoorDash moment that she's not she's just a she's employed, she's on the payroll, she's been on for but I think she don't think he realized because he was asking her questions about what he thought about men in women's sports, and she went, Oh, I'm not here to talk about that, I'm here about DoorDash.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:56

Absolutely incredible.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:57

He was very confused.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:58

I think even the CEO of DoorDash was probably wincing at that point. Like, oh god, this is this is not great promotional material. This is not what we wanted. Terrible. But yes, anyway, the Carpenter's son. Should we get should we give things a score? We know those out of ten.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:12

Let's be really reductive. Okay, I genuinely don't think I can give it more than a three.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:17

I would have said a two or a three. There were moments that got me, but nothing special. They were fleeting. I didn't gain anything from watching it.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:25

No. At all.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:26

I didn't lose anything. I didn't. Well, I lost time.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:28

Yeah, I lost time. I did manage to get my steps in that day by finishing that on the on the I think I had 40 minutes of it left. I was like, I'm just gonna and I remember thinking at the time, I don't I'm gonna say on the podcast, I don't know what's more torturous doing 40 minutes of walk-in or the film. And I think maybe the the the walk-in actually made it more pleasurable because it took away from the trauma of what yeah, watching Nicolas Cage.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:54

I did I enjoy the fact that Nicolas Cage got a shout-in, that's always good. But that reminds me of uh Roger Eber, the very famous film reviewer back in the day, film critic, sorry, um, said about the film Brown Bunny by oh my god, what's his name? Uh Vince I can't remember his name. Anyway, Vincent it's gonna it's eluding me, but anyway, Brown Bunny, yeah, very strange auto director, actor uh actually did uh Vincent Gallo. I've just got it. Ryan was looking that up for me very helpfully while I filled. But yeah, Vincent Gallo. Absolutely insane man. Okay, he created a website where he offered out um his sperm for for women because he wanted he thought he had such great genetics that women deserve to have babies.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:49

This isn't the film, this is no no, this is him in real life.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:52

But he also said this is where it got really controversial, he he only white women were allowed. Yeah, it got bad. Um anyway, Roger Ebert said about Brown Bunny that this was his review. I had a coloss colos colostomy. Colonostomy, I can't say the word. Colonoscopy colonoscopy once I enjoyed it more than watching the brown bunny. You know, that was it. He said they let me watch the screen. I enjoyed it more than watching brown bunny. So he enjoyed a camera being up his own ass more than watching Brown Bunny, which I thought was a great review. Uh so yeah, the comedy son, yeah, two. I oh you give it three, I two three.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:37

I think given the performance of The Devil, I give it a three.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:41

That yeah, that that would impress me the most, I think. She was very disturbing at points. I like the character, and I like the fact that what the way she played, and see if we're going back into it now, but I like the fact that she some of the looks she gave, she looked genuinely disturbed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And all the little tiny nits of what's all over this.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:57

They got progressively worse as it went on.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:59

Yeah, that's yeah, I enjoyed yeah, but yeah, otherwise meh.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:02

And the bit about which again was captured in fucking face right at the mic Nicholas Clays, my fanny shadow. The it was captured again in the other films where when he dies, there's this the devil's lost now, it hasn't got its adversary, uh you know, something's changed forever, there's been a forever shift now because this thing has happened now. Of course, we don't see Jesus' death in the computer, but when they have that scrap.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:33

Yeah, it almost turns into a bit of an action film, that's a bit strange.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:36

But he he lets her live. Yeah, forgives her. And and that um that was quite yeah, quite an interesting bit.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:44

Just one interesting little point that I thought was totally utterly ridiculous, actually, was when Joseph dies, yeah, and there's suddenly a halo appears over his eyes. Oh, yeah. And I thought, well, surely, hang on. I thought maybe this is just me being ignorant to theology and you know, religion in general. But wouldn't didn't the Bible have to be written as a story for the saints to exist?

SPEAKER_00 1:22:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:14

So why would there be any context for a Halo to be able to like God didn't ordain saints?

SPEAKER_00 1:22:21

Well, no, but I suppose what it's suggesting is is that there were always people who were gonna be sainted, but they didn't have the mechanism to do it yet.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:30

Yeah, but that was it was really unneeded. Like we already knew that he was he was a great guy, obviously. And given his like he, you know, he he struggled with his beliefs and and rescued Joe uh the Jesus anyway. So but I just thought I don't you don't need the halo, you don't need a digitized halo.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:47

That was the bit for me because the film was looked like it had been recorded on some like a fucking Nokia 3310.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:53

That the red sky scene, just going back to that. I didn't like that. That looked so out of place, it was weird.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:58

But then you've got this digital halo appearing, appearing and it just the fact that it's above Nicolas Cage's head.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:06

Yeah, I know, very strange. Um yeah, so yeah, in summary, yeah, very meh. I do want to watch Magazine Dreams. I think we should do that one day. I think we should do it next time. Shall we? I I do want to watch that because I think it will escape prime soon. I think you need to watch it. Yeah, I was blown away by it. I was waiting so long for it to come to England because obviously, you guys in America, if anyone's listening to America, you've had it there for ages.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:32

Available to watch. There's a lot of controversy around it, wasn't there?

SPEAKER_02 1:23:34

Yeah, I mean his personal life was a mess.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:36

And and I I think we should you know preface it by saying when we talk about the film, we're talking about it as a film and about his performance as an actor. We're not in any way commenting on his life outside of that. No, I do believe that if he hadn't have had the stuff going on in his life prior, it would have been rinse in the awards. I think he'd have won a lot of awards for it because I from the clips I've seen, mate, it looks very impressive. I can't wait to talk about it because when I watched it, it made me emotional, like genuinely.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:05

It does, it looks like that. It looks like one of those man that's gonna get with me. Just little scenes like I've seen when he's on the laptop. Like, how do I make people like me? Oh mate, it's how do you make people like you?

SPEAKER_00 1:24:15

I was like, oh it's yeah, we'll talk about it more, but yeah, for me, it was the conflict between wanting to be liked and not being a nice person, and and the where that comes from from a psychological perspective. I felt and of course the aesthetic of how he looks. Yes, I mean, fucking fair play to him, mate. The Nikki was in for that film, it's insane.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:38

Big time, but yeah, we'd need to do that maybe next. I think we will.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:41

Anyway, thank you for listening. Pleasure. We're back, and uh, we will catch you all on the next one. Bye bye. Peace