67 | Fixed Point of Reference

What happens when life goes dark, direction feels lost, and the path forward seems impossible to navigate? 

In this episode of Sermons on the Side, Richard shares how a recent viewing of Apollo 13 sparked a powerful spiritual realization that neither of us could shake. As the crew of Apollo 13 fought to survive after catastrophic damage in space, there was one unforgettable moment during their journey home: a manual “slow burn” navigation maneuver where the astronauts had to keep Earth centered in a tiny window in order to stay on course. Lose sight of Earth… and they’d drift into darkness forever. 

That image quickly became the heartbeat of this conversation. 

Because in so many ways, life can feel the same. Unexpected pain. Uncertainty. Fear. Distraction. Loss. Seasons where it feels like we’re drifting without direction. But through it all, God remains our fixed point of reference - steady, unchanging, trustworthy, and true. 

In Episode 67, “Fixed Point of Reference,” we talk about finding clarity in chaos, anchoring your life to truth when emotions are loud, and why keeping in step with a biblical community that loves the Lord changes everything. This is a conversation about faith, perspective, hope, spiritual stability, and learning to trust God even when you can’t fully see the path ahead. 

If you’ve been feeling overwhelmed, spiritually disoriented, or simply in need of encouragement, we truly believe this episode will meet you right where you are.

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Transcript

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Welcome to Sermons on the Side. I'm Brad. And I'm Richard. And life can move pretty fast. So we're here to slow down, dig deep, and find the story hidden in everyday moments.

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With years spent in ministry, friendship, and navigating real life together, we're all about blending humor, honesty, and faith into conversations that meet you right where you are.

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So whether you're brand new or you're back for more, we are so glad you are here.

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So relax, listen in, and let's discover meaning together.

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In the ordinary, the messy, and everything in between.

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Sermons on the side. Finding meaning in the everyday. That's right, 1995. It was not only one of the best pictures of that year, it was one of the greatest of all time.

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But 95. Let's see. How old was I on the count of three?

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One, two, three, four.

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Oh, what were you holding up a zero? I didn't even think I was born. Great.

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Alright, so we crushed the Dale Murphy. I just blew it.

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So we have two data points in the Let's hurry up and get this episode in before we just flatline.

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Alright, everybody, Sermons on the Side Day is Welcome to yet another episode of Sermons on the Side. I'm sitting here with the man, the myth, the legend, Brad Williams.

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And I'm looking at Rico. That's right, Sir Rico, and he has the beautiful Braves light sky blue throwback hat. What do they call that? The City Connected is that it's City Connect.

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It's similar. It's not a big thing.

SPEAKER_01 2:06

Oh, that's the 80s throwback right there.

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It is little powder blue.

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When I see that, who do I think of on the count of three? One, two, three. Dale Murphy.

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What?

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We are locked in, ladies and gentlemen. I hope you're ready for an awesome sermons on the side.

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Come on. You know, the Bible said it is a it was a pleasant thing when brothers dwell together in unity. That's right from the Bible, brother.

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You fired me up, brother.

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Took it out of context, but it's in there.

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Hey, that's okay. Hey, we're the deep south. We can massage a little bit of scripture together.

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Help us. Help us, Lord. We are so pumped as if you couldn't tell. Man, what a what the last couple of weeks in Sermons on the Side land.

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What?

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They've been fun, haven't they? Oh my goodness. What an incredible conversation. Thank you again. Shout out to Elliot and Emily for coming down to Columbus and sharing your story. We've had some really awesome feedback about your story and uh specifically in my own family. I've got um some family up in Knoxville, Tennessee, and just was sent a really, really sweet note after part two. And um, anyways, just thank you guys again. And I I can't stress it enough. The the best part that has come out of this little two-part series. Talk to me. Is this Elliot and Heath just rivalry? I love it. We have another part of the saga. Bring it report.

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Yet another installment. So this past weekend, I'm in Birmingham where Heath Goodson lives, and I'm getting ready to attend service on Sunday morning, Mother's Day morning. And uh, so I text Heath. I'm like, Heath, which service are you going to, man? I want to make sure to catch you, blah, blah, blah. And he goes, he texts back and he says, Oh man, I'm in Tennessee. Oh, I'm not there this morning. He goes on to explain in his text that that somebody uh in the the near during the service, as it as a service is gonna wrap up, somebody gives him a shout-out. So it it ended up happening. Somebody there during the service, as it was winding down, quoted Heath, gave him a nice little shout-out and everything. And so he was giving me a heads up about that in this text. And he says, I've heard that's gonna happen. You can confirm for me if that's true at the egg of the service. I'm like, at the egg?

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He pull a Rico.

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Seconds later, seconds later, the follow-up text came and goes, end period, not egg. I'm channeling Rico with my texting skills. It was so hilarious. Is that not what I mean? Nobody does that as as poorly as me, and Heath just joined the club.

SPEAKER_01 4:52

I love it. I love, I love the inflection that you put right there on end, not egg. I just you can feel it coming through the phone. That's amazing.

SPEAKER_04 5:02

I hate what I just did. But he owned it and he said, I am I am as Rico is. I thought that was good. And uh Heath again has engaged the Elliott rivalry with uh with with sportsmanship and with a good attitude. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:21

Well, I must say, if we have a power rankings of those two listeners right now, Elliot is still in first. So he's sorry, dude. Yeah, I'm on your I'm on Team Heath. I'm on Team Elliott too.

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But we got nothing but love for both of them.

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I need but I just need I'm just trying to stoke the plane coach. I'm just trying to stoke. Anyway, so thank you guys so much for indulging. Uh hey, we've had such good feedback about the part one, part two kind of aspects. We've actually got uh another part one, part two couple conversation coming up in a couple of weeks. So be on the lookout for that. That is right. Speaking of a couple of weeks, only just one week. Tell them what's coming next week, Rico.

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From right now, our very next episode after this one is gonna be a special Memorial Day edition of an interview with what is now a great friend of the podcast. His name is Jake Kelly, and he is a soldier, a poet, an author. It's you guys are gonna love this guy. You're gonna love hearing his story, and it's perfect, I think, for next Thursday, which will be rolling right into Memorial Day weekend.

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I love it. That's all we want to say. We're gonna tease it out too much, but it is an incredible conversation, incredible story, incredible testimony. So come back here again next week to check it out. But as we found out at the beginning of this episode, we're locked and loaded for an incredible sermon on the side on deck.

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Mr.

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Rico, take it away.

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Brother, listen, we're going back to the movies. Okay. Do we not love doing this? We've done it multiple times. I love it other movie nights.

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I love movie night.

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Come on.

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The movie night's the best night. You turn the TV on, the kids go, their mouth stops moving, coach. Turn the movie on. Here we go.

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That does the trick. I'm sorry.

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We have uh moving forward, because we didn't do this. Should we have popcorn here at the table while we're doing in in the future, when we're doing a movie themed one, popcorn, milk duds.

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And milk duds. Uh maybe after we record. I don't think our listeners would appreciate hearing that just the chomping of just it.

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That would be it.

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But then if I eat if I eat popcorn too, coach, I'm gonna have like those little kernels in my teeth for a week at a time. Oh, yeah. That's a pet peeve. That's a that's a segment for another day. But my pet peeve in life is when you eat popcorn and then a week later you finally get that little thing out, and you're like, have I died and gone to heaven? My tongue can relax now. I'm sorry. Back to the movies. Here we go.

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So we're looking at our sermons on the side comes from one of the best movies that was released in the year of our Lord 1995. That's right, 1995. It was not only one of the best pictures of that year, it was one of the greatest of all time.

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It was a good year, especially with that Braves hat you have on. But um 95. Let's see, how old was I on the count of three? One, two, three, four.

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Oh, what were you holding up a zero? I was born.

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All right, so we crushed the Dale Murphy. I just blew it.

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So we have two data points and then let's hurry up and get this episode in before we just flatline.

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All right, so the movie in question, the movie that we're talking about, Apollo 13.

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Oh dude, you now we're back. Okay, we're back. It's our third data point. We're we're trending, dude. What a phenomenal movie.

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Was it not? Yes. Oh, it was so good. Tom Hanks, Kevin Bacon. Uh yeah, it had uh Bill Paxton. I don't know, great actor, God rest his soul. He was the lead in uh Twisters. You remember the tornado movie?

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Yeah, the tornado.

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Um anyway, great supporting cast, and and it was the story of the ill-fated moon landing mission. It was supposed to be a moon landing mission, Apollo 13, but they didn't, they never got to land on the moon. In fact, they had an there was an accident with the spacecraft that could have uh that really it wasn't about landing on the moon anymore. It was just can we get these guys home alive? So this is I I got a NASA geek thing in me too. And so I loved this movie from day one. It was so cool. And I think we're gonna have to, I think I'm just gonna have to go home and watch it after that.

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My gosh.

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Yeah, but anyway, the it's the true story of how on their way to the moon, about two days-ish into the mission, uh, an accident happened, uh, an oxygen tank exploded, and it really crippled the the spacecraft and everything changed. Then they had to figure out how they could make it all the way to they were about halfway to the moon, and they slung shot around the moon and made it, you know, on their way back to Earth, but it was just so touch and go as to whether any of these uh really almost impossible efforts to keep them alive and get them home would work. And so, yeah, we highly recommend if you haven't seen the movie, watch it because you'll see how many insurmountable problems they had to fix. But there was one particular thing that they had to do, and it was it was something that was gonna help them get back on the precise perfect trajectory, the the perfect course to be able to hit what is a re-entry window. It's it's all explained very well in the movie, but basically they were slightly off course and it didn't take much. If you missed that window by just a little bit, they would have never made it home. So they had to do something to course correct so they'd hit that window. It was called a controlled burn. They were gonna burn the engine, they had to burn the engine for just a few seconds in order to get them back on course. So the uh mission control people let Tom Hanks Tom Hanks is playing astronaut Jim Lovell and uh and the geek in me knows the other two were uh Fred Hayes, which was played by Bill Paxton, and Kevin Bacon's guy was Jack Swagger, and the three of them trapped in this you know wounded ship, trying to limp their way back to Earth. So they have to burn the engine so they get back on course. It's called a controlled burn. So they got to do this controlled burn, burn the engines for a very short amount of time, get them back on course. Usually not that big a problem. You get the computer coordinates that that help them get the spacecraft pointed in the right direction, and it and it works. Okay. Here's the problem because the spacecraft is is so damaged, they don't even have enough power to crank up, to basically turn everything on in the spacecraft to get the computer working so that they can get the coordinates. So, what do you do? You have to do what they call as a manual engine burn, a manual control burn, meaning the the guys themselves were gonna have to pilot it through that that uh situation. The big problems there because you're in zero gravity, you hit a an engine, and it makes the spacecraft just practically start spinning. It goes all over the place, jumping all around. Also, you're in space, so there's no fixed point of reference. Everything's black. So they've got to figure out we've got to figure out a fixed point of reference that we could steer towards during this burn. And then Jim Lovell, played by Tom Hanks, he realizes wait a second, when we look out this small triangle window that we have in the spacecraft, we can see the earth off in the distance. And so he says, Oh, I got it that that's our fixed point of reference. So if I can keep the earth in the window during the burn, we're gonna be all right. So that's that's the plan. They found their point of they're gonna navigate by keeping the the earth in that triangular window. They turn on the engines, they start the burn. And that sure enough, that spacecraft is just jumping all over the place. They can't it and and they're they keep losing the earth in the window, and then they get it back, and then they lose it. You just gotta watch it. It's so good.

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I remember this scene, yeah.

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But amazingly, because they're phenomenal pilots and they get it done, and when the end of the burn happens, they get it perfectly, they get the earth perfectly centered inside the window. The control burn works, they hit the uh the the access point correctly, and and everything's cool. But look, so it's a very amazing scene. You gotta you guys gotta watch it. But here's that's where the the sermon on the side comes from. So in our lives, when we get in situations where we are uh we're in a bad spot, we're in a tight spot. It may be because there's just something wrong, you know, some brokenness, a uh a flaw in our personal system. Something in our life has gone wrong. And now we're off course, and we need to get back on course. We need to we need to somehow fix the wayward part of us. We or or maybe we're just disoriented because we're in a really tough situation. Stuff seems to be on be beyond our control, and the stakes seem really high, and we're not not to be dramatic, but aren't there these times we're like I don't know if I'm gonna survive this? This situation is so tough, so difficult, so taxing and heavy, maybe so heartbreaking, that I don't know if I'm gonna I don't know if I'm gonna come out of this. And if I do come out of it, I'm gonna be a mess. And that's what life throws at us often. And when that happens, our greatest need is a fixed point of reference. In the darkness, in the in the the haze of it all, in the chaos or fear or worry, the odds are really stacked against us. But if we even in the worst of times have a fixed point of reference, we can navigate, we can point towards that thing. Like just like Jim Lovell slash Tom Hanks had to keep the earth in that small triangular window and and life was just throwing stuff at you, and you feel like you're all over the place, yeah. Bouncing around. No, how am I ever gonna get back to some sort of sense of stability, normalcy, uh being able to function well, search for your fixed point of reference. That's the lesson of this scene. So I I think that if if we're gonna really embrace this idea, then we just have to ask ourselves, okay, when things go crazy, and when stuff seems out of control, what is my fixed point of reference? I think for a lot of us, we we find certain relationships, certain important things in our life that can be stabilizers for us. And that's awesome. That's awesome. Amen. Yeah. I've got a list of those kind of stabilizing uh, you know, factors and relationships and people in my life, but I think we I think we really need to decide what's our ultimate fixed point of reference. And for me, and I believe for you and for many of our listeners, the ultimate fixed point of reference is our creator, is the Lord, the maker of all the heavens and the earth, the maker of all of it, and the maker of us, the one who calls us by our name. We talked about that just a few weeks ago. And the the one that is not distant from us, but knows, and he knows that we need him, and that we need him as our fixed point of reference. You feel that, man?

SPEAKER_01 18:38

Honestly, it it reminds me a lot of what you talked about, even just jokingly quoted at the very beginning when you're talking about how good it is for brothers to dwell in unity together. Yeah, because if I recall, and I haven't seen that scene in a while, but it wasn't just Tom Hanks' character kind of going, all right, boys, strap in, wish me luck.

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I got it.

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I got it. Let me try to do this on my own. There was communication back and forth. There was different people that were all three of them were working towards the same goal. And how encouraging that is as part of this sermon on the side, that yes, of course, God is our North Star. He is our point of reference, he is that true, he is the the goal for which we run this race. But we do not run this race alone. We are not in the chaos and in the darkness alone. And we have family, we have church family, we have a community of people around us. And according to Psalm 133, it is good and it is pleasant when brothers and sisters dwell in that unity together. And so I think it was very, I think it was very prophetic uh uh that very first uh scripture you brought to us in minute two.

SPEAKER_04 19:56

So that is so good, and I would just say on that point, I believe that God would like for us to to help each other in that way. I I think that I think that sometimes I can think of times when certain people in my life were just there at the right time and they might not have had a lot to say or they might not have done something to turn everything around, but their presence and their and their and a good heart and their just attempt and desire to be there for me. It's almost like they helped me clear away the clutter and then I could focus on a fixed point of reference. Right. I I needed that, and so I encourage everyone to think about the people who have been that for you and ask God to let you be that for somebody else. That's a good thing. Yeah, that that would be a good thing.

SPEAKER_01 20:56

And I don't remember the specifics of this quote, um but uh something to do with a piano, okay? Let's just let me just go there. But people who have heard this before, y'all y'all let me know how bad I butcher this. But if you have a hundred grand pianos and you tuned the very first one precisely with with a piano tuner, like a tuning instrument, perfectly. Okay, but then you took that tuner, that standard away, and you started tuning the subsequent piano with the piano that preceded it. Okay, right. So the second piano you're tuning, you're tuning to a perfectly tuned piano. Okay, and then the third one you're tuning to. The second perfectly tuned piano. How many pianos do you think that it would take to get out of tune? One to one hundred.

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I don't know. Halfway?

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Three. And by the and by the end, you're in a completely different key. And the I remember thinking to myself when I heard this stat being like, oh my goodness, that surely can't be true. And I'm sure I'm butchering the example, but the the truth of it remains. That's why God doesn't ask us to tune ourselves to other people or to pastors or to leaders or to as important as important as community is, and we've just talked about it.

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Absolutely.

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Jesus is the standard. Jesus is the measure by which we judge our life.

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Come on, so good. Hey, I want to lay this verse on you. Hebrews chapter 6, verse 19. He said uh the the writer says, We have this hope as a steadfast anchor for our soul. Yes, a hope that enters into the inner place of God.

SPEAKER_01 22:54

Oh yes.

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I mean an anchor for our soul. I mean a solid, solid. And the verses preceding that talk about how God makes his promises and he keeps them. And and for anybody who runs to God as a refuge, we have that hope. It is an anchor, it is a solid, it is, may I say it, a fixed point of reference. So let's put it in, let's put that in the window and let's just say, look, when my life feels out of control, hopeless, anxiety-ridden, fearful, whatever it is, I'm going to look to Jesus, the author and the finisher of our faith.

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Or even if we're not in that crazy twisty and turf, and we just need a little course correction. We just need a little slow burn. Come on. Come on. Our steadfast hope, baby. Come on, I'm there with you. Thank you, dude. That is awesome.

SPEAKER_04 23:56

So, so good. So uh thank you for going there with me. And y'all get you some Apollo 13 in your life now.

SPEAKER_01 24:05

Also get you some Hebrews in your life, amen.

SPEAKER_04 24:08

Amen. Amen to that. So listen, our segment for this episode. Are you ready, Brand?

SPEAKER_01 24:13

I'm ready. Okay. We haven't had a good, we haven't had a good segment in a while. I don't know. It puts a pressure on you, but I'm hoping that this is.

SPEAKER_04 24:20

Yeah, I kind of feel it. Now I'd rather not. No, I'm kidding. I'm I'm gonna start with a question for you.

SPEAKER_01 24:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 24:26

All right, it's about waking up in the morning. It's about the alarm clock. Back in the day, we used to have these things plugged in right by our bed, and it was an actual alarm clock. Nowadays, most people have an alarm on their phones that wake them up, whatever. Hey Brad, what is what works for you? What's it like in the mornings for you? Do you even need an alarm clock? I've lost Brad. He's laughing.

SPEAKER_01 24:50

Listen, I were just talking about this. I'm talking two days ago on Sunday, or I guess it was yesterday at the time of this recording, but on Mother's Day, uh yeah, I literally said the comment to her. I was like, look, if I didn't have you or the kids, I'd just sleep until noon. But since I do, I've got built-in alarm clocks that wake me up at five, wake me up at six, wake me up at seven, wake me up at eight. I can get up whenever I want to. Because, anyways, yeah. So I honestly have not set. Well, no, that's not true. I do set an alarm on Mondays. Okay. Mondays are a big like reporting day for weeks.

SPEAKER_04 25:30

Gotta get an early start, right? So when you do, do you just use your phone for that?

SPEAKER_01 25:35

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:36

Okay, gotcha.

SPEAKER_01 25:37

Yeah. When you said, Oh, we have these things that are plugged in next to our. I'm like, yeah, dog, it's a phone. What are you talking about? It's an alarm on my phone. I have an app for that.

SPEAKER_04 25:46

We do, and and it is plugged in because that's when you charge.

SPEAKER_01 25:50

It is a wild thing, though, when you go into like a slightly like maybe like a three-star hotel that hasn't really updated in a while. And have those big brick looking with red, just neon.

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You just gotta lay a hand towel over it because when you turn the light off, it just illuminates.

SPEAKER_01 26:09

What's funny is I've got to unplug it so I can plug my phone in. That's it.

SPEAKER_04 26:15

That's it. But I'll I'll tell you this about the alarm clock. Two two observations for me. One, uh I really would like to not have my phone be the first thing I look at in the morning. I'm trying to, so I'm actually thinking about maybe getting buying one of those just old school alarm clocks and charging my phone overnight somewhere else. Yeah. So I at least have a few minutes before I'm looking at this screen. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Thinking about it. You ever thought about that? Or you don't care.

SPEAKER_01 26:47

Yeah, I'm not a psychopath, so I don't actually but I will I I will say this you better run that one by Ronda before you walk in at night and go, hey baby, look what I got. You bring a brick and set it down on the side table.

SPEAKER_04 27:00

Boom. All right, now here's the last observation. Okay. Do you know, do you want to know what is the worst thing in the world?

SPEAKER_01 27:07

Is this so many directions we can go in right here?

SPEAKER_04 27:11

Maybe I should reframe the question. One of the worst things that can happen uh in the mornings is if you wake up by yourself on your own, you need to uh you need to maybe go to the restroom or something like that, or you stir and you look at the clock or you check your phone and you're two minutes away from the alarm going off.

SPEAKER_01 27:35

You dude, hate I hate it too. I mean, you we you and I can agree on that.

SPEAKER_02 27:43

And I why does it always happen? Oh, it's why does it always happen?

SPEAKER_01 27:46

You like roll over and you're like, oh dude, I hope I've got three more hours, and you're like, one minute until my phone starts buzzing. That's it. And and I'm telling you, as God get me back for not waking up having a daggum quiet time.

SPEAKER_04 27:59

That's it, that's it. But I'm telling you, when you when you do wake up and you still got a couple hours, oh that's a dude. Dude.

SPEAKER_01 28:06

When a kid wakes me up, or like one of the dogs are why they'll let me get, and I'm like in a half-asleep stupor, and I like stumble out of bed, and I get one of them back into bed, I let the dogs out, and then I finally look at a clock. I do this game where I don't look at any clock until I get back into the room. Really? Okay. Whether it takes me 30 seconds or like five minutes or like 35 minutes, you know. I'm like, I'm not gonna look at a clock, I'm not gonna look at the time until I'm going back to bed. And so I know and dude, if it's if it's if it's pre-3 a.m., I'm giving God a high five. I'm like, you know that's correct. Let's go. I'm telling you, but if it's like post-4, it's like 4 45, I'm like, what the day is gone. Just it's gonna be a bad sermon on sides week.

SPEAKER_04 28:52

Just so anyway, hey, we'd love to hear from y'all about how you guys feel about the whole alarm clock thing.

SPEAKER_01 28:59

There's a lot of directions we can give.

SPEAKER_04 29:01

Yes, indeed. But hey, what a great time! Thank you for being here with me, man, and thank you to everybody for listening in. We'd love to hear from you. Check in with us, and remember next week, a very special episode of Sermons on the Side.

SPEAKER_01 29:31

Was that a little abrupt? No, no, no. That was that was perfect. All right. I just didn't know you were going there.

SPEAKER_04 29:36

Yeah, I didn't know.

SPEAKER_01 29:37

Typically, I could read you, but I was you jumped up. I'm a mystery.

SPEAKER_02 29:41

You jumped up, threw the ball in there, and I was like, that's for me. I gotta go get it. I gotta dunk it.

SPEAKER_04 29:49

Oh gosh. Man, for real though. When if and it happened just a couple of nights ago when I had I woke up and then when I got back to bed two hours left to sleep, I just felt so close to the Lord. I was like, all my life you have been faithful.

SPEAKER_02 30:06

I'm singing, goodness of God, all the time. Please good, goodbye. It's who you are. It's who you are. Oh man. I'm loved by you.

SPEAKER_03 30:20

It's who loved me so much.

SPEAKER_02 30:28

That's horrible. Oh I can't wait for Lisa to hear this. So true. Oh boy.