25: Why High Achievers Feel Like They’re Failing: Rethinking “Having It All”

You can have it all… but have you ever stopped to ask what “all” actually means for you? We sit down with Carrie Fabrice, founder of Career Frame and author of *All In*, to unpack why so many high-performing leaders feel time-poor, stretched thin and quietly exhausted, even when things look great on paper. 

From there we get practical about energy management at work, because energy is not a fluffy concept, it is a strategic advantage. Carrie explains how strengths-based leadership (including Gallup CliftonStrengths), emotional intelligence, and honest self-awareness help leaders protect their capacity and lift team performance. We also talk about the tension between work and life, why balance changes by season, and how to be transparent with your team without dumping stress or pretending everything is fine.

Carrie also shares a powerful story about trust, timing, and what can happen when you stop waiting for certainty before taking the leap. You’ll walk away with a simple tool you can use immediately: grab your copy of the VIBE Checklist plus a grounded take on burnout that reframes the real issue as lack of stress recovery. If you want sustainable performance, better boundaries, and a healthier workplace culture, this one is for you. 

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Leadership And The Pressure To Cope

Carrie Fabris 0:35

We uh when it comes to leadership, work, and and especially women, I think it's really important that we define what that means for ourselves. We can get really caught up in how everyone looks on social media, how each of us defines it, I think is important.

Defining Your Own “All”

Jolynne Rydz 0:50

Today's guest is going to take a little bit of introduction, and I'm very excited for you to meet her. Carrie Fabris is the founder of Career Frame, a Dallas-based leadership development and executive coaching firm dedicated to transforming leaders, teams, and organizational culture. She partners with high-performance organizations, including ones like Axios Media, Mouser Electronics, Appfolio, Boingo Wireless, and Expedia, just to name a few, to elevate senior leaders, strengthen leadership teams, and cultivate accountable, thriving workplace cultures. With over 20 years of corporate experience and 15 plus years in leadership roles at Google, Travelocity Saver, and Travel Leaders Corporate, Carrie combines real-world business insight with her expertise in Clifton Strengths, EQI 2.0, and situational leadership. Through her signature frame it method, she delivers high-energy, actionable coaching and workshops that helps leaders bridge that gap between achievement and legacy. While maintaining balance, purpose, and impact in their professional and personal lives. To top it off, Carrie is also the author of All In, the Working Mum's unapologetic quest for a Juicy Life, sharing her personal journey of navigating corporate ambition, entrepreneurship, and motherhood without compromise. She holds a degree from UT Austin and resides in Dallas with her husband and two children. Let's dive into today's episode. Thanks so much for joining us today, Carrie. So excited to have you on the podcast. Thank you. I'm looking forward to our conversation. Yeah, definitely. So I wanted to actually dive right in and start with something that I've noticed a lot of leaders, but also women in particular face, which is this battle for time management and wanting to have things in control when we wear so many hats. Can you tell us why you think it's such a pervasive challenge?

Carrie Fabris 2:49

I I am living that challenge right now as I come running from my daughter's theater show to sit down here and talk with you. So yes, the struggle is real. Uh we we all we all go through it. And it was really interesting, Jolene, because as I was walking to my car to get in here, and I had literally eight minutes to drive here to get to talk to you. And I was talking to myself, going, I can have it all, I can have it all. And then I started singing Queen's song, I want it all in my head. And then I went through this whole little conversation, this whole micro conversation around, but what does all mean? What does that what does that mean to me? And so I would say that we uh when it comes to leadership, work, and and especially women, I think it's really important that we define what that means for ourselves. We can get really caught up in how everyone looks on social media and how they look like they have all their stuff together and they may not. And I think that we can put a lot of pressure on ourselves. So I think it really is just what matters, what's important and what what having it all and doing it all and having so much on our plate or platter, whatever size you need, how each of us defines it, I think is important.

Jolynne Rydz 3:59

I love that perspective. It's so powerful because we're so used to throwing in these words like I want it all. And then if we haven't stopped to think, well, what is that actually? And do I want it all like Sally, who seems like run off her feet and crazy and but is in this high-flying role, is that for me? I don't know. Her all might be real different than my all. Yeah.

Carrie Fabris 4:18

And I and I do think that it it really does vary based on the career that you have, the age you are. I'm 51, I think very differently and I feel very differently than I did at 45 and at 41 and at 35, you know. And so I think that we have to give ourselves grace and understand that as we evolve as humans, our all, whatever that is, is also going to evolve. Yeah. And sometimes evolution is in the opposite direction. Sometimes we're just letting stuff go, you know? So it's just all, you know, it just depends on on you and what's meaningful to you. I think it's real important. And I think we get so wrapped up in so many things that we forget that. I think a lot of us forget that.

Jolynne Rydz 5:01

So the time management tool is not the thing that's going to help you. It's the really knowing what what you want.

Carrie Fabris 5:07

I think so. Because I mean, sure, there's all of these books and trainings and everything on time management. Um, and and I I say with a little bit of that tone because I think we all want to have it, but again, what is what is it, what does that mean? And according to who? I think time management is are you doing things that matter in the time you have to do it with the energy you have to do it? So I think it's it's more like a formula than it is a a framework, maybe, or maybe they're the same thing. I don't know. But but I don't know that there's I do think that there are plenty of Franklin Covey time management as one example. Um, and I think they are helpful. But I do think a lot of us need to slow down and just go, what do I want to spend my time doing? And what I want to spend my energy doing, and does this matter? And do I care?

Jolynne Rydz 5:57

Yeah, yeah.

Carrie Fabris 5:58

Just kind of chunk it down.

Jolynne Rydz 6:00

Do you feel like energy management is a topic that gets much airtime, especially in organizations?

Carrie Fabris 6:07

I'm starting to impact that as much as I can. Um I think that um I don't know. I don't know. I I I want to say probably not, and then the uh I want to be optimistic and say possibly so. I think it really depends on the culture. The clients and the client partners that I work with, we talk about energy. And I walk in the door and I'm like, just so we're all on the same page, energy is not woo-woo, it's strategic. And if we don't, and back to the time management, it doesn't matter how much time we have if we don't have the energy to fill the time with something productive and meaningful and impactful. And so I do think that people like me, companies like our company, Career Frame, coaches, trainers, people developers, things like that, are really valuable to bring into an organization to kind of shine the spotlight on that. Because I think a lot of people get real focused on the the what and the how, and we don't really stop at the why. And the why is usually that place where we can unearth are we energized? How are we feeling? Like who, how you, how are you doing? Are you are you are you sleeping? Are you eating okay? Are you all these different things? Um, so I don't know that it's talked about enough, but I'm hoping that my contribution to the world is trying to change it one company at a time.

Jolynne Rydz 7:21

Yeah, I love it. Because I I think energy management on so many different levels is important. And I love how you said it's not where it's actually strategic. It's so beautiful.

Carrie Fabris 7:30

Yeah, and and I I'm a Gallup Clifton Strengths certified coach. And I I want to just make sure that people understand the your listeners who utilize Clifton Strengths, or even if they don't, it that is all about energy. And so Gallup is doing a phenomenal job about talking about energy when it comes to playing in your strength zone. When you take an assessment like Clifton Strengths, it will tell you what lights you up from what energizes you the most to the least. And so they are doing a phenomenal job of talking about engagement when it comes to energy. And they, I mean, they're worldwide. And there are something like 20 million people who've taken the assessment worldwide. So they do a great job. There's thousands of us strengths coaches who are also preaching that same thing around energy and and just how strategic and important it can be to an organization.

Work Life Tension And Identity

Jolynne Rydz 8:15

Yeah, amazing. Thank you for your perspective on that. Yeah. So you've had some pretty big roles in your life, Carrie. And I want to know if you've ever felt like your work life and your personal life were in conflict.

Carrie Fabris 8:28

Oh, sure. If there is someone out there who has not, I would love to meet them. Um, yes, for sure. Um in you know, my book, All In, I I talk about this in a couple different uh instances. And and I've gone through it in the last, so my book came out in 2022. Um, I've gone through it since then. I went through it in 2024. Um, I might be on the brink of going through it again. And here it is, 2026. And so I think that there's sometimes seasons where we might go through challenges of really loving the career and wanting to do a lot of it and do all of it and not tell anyone no. But then when you've got a family and kids or a partner or just friends you want to be with, whatever your situation is, um, I think it is making sure that you don't just your identity is not your job. Your identity is not your career. It's not your title. And I do, I do think that there's uh, you know, a decent amount of people that get caught up in that. And yeah, I I have myself. I mean, in in the first time I did it was more in the first half. I I talk about the first half of Career Frame because I failed awesomely the first time and then did it right the second time. And there there was just a lot of ego there. And so I just, you know, again, uh it was all my company and my company, and I'm gonna do all of these great things, and you should hire me because I can church, you know, change your life and change your organization, everything else. And um I got a little too focused on that versus the balance of things. Um, so I do think that balance is possible. I think that we have to acknowledge that we are out of balance. I also think that not every day is gonna be 50-50 balanced. I think some days it's gonna be 90-10. And so just thinking about that and navigating it to the best you can. But sure. I mean, I I think a lot of us have gotten caught up in the lack of balance between work and life.

Jolynne Rydz 10:30

Yeah, totally. And I'm curious to know your thoughts on how when you are in that tension, how it actually plays out and impacts the team that you're leading.

Carrie Fabris 10:41

I think that great leaders do not let their teams know that they're having too much going on while at the same time being just enough transparent about it. And what I mean by that is it's important that leaders show that they're human. So my team knows I'm human. I mean, I I will I do not I have a terrible poker face, let's just say. Like you will look at me and you will know. You'll know how I'm feeling, what mood I'm in, am I happy? Am I bad? Am I not? You know, all those things. And so I do think that leaders need to not hide who they are, but they need to not dump it on their team. And I don't want to dump anything ever on my team. It's more of, yep, and and I'm I'm I'm having let me back up. Word choice matters. So I had a client and I would tell them, you know, you will say this one word. I've heard this one word come out of your mouths more than any other word this year. Do you know what it is? And I kind of asked and waited, and they would toss out all this other stuff. And finally someone said, busy, and I go, busy. There's nothing, there's nothing great that about that word. Like there's like nothing feels good about busy. It sounds like a brush off. It sounds like uh you just, I don't know, it's just like uh. And I'm like, what if we said you have you your things are really full right now? So I'm catching myself doing that right now when um there's a lot going on and I want to stay positive and not fake positive, not toxic positive, just optimistic and and high energy and uplifting for the team. If they're like, How you doing? I'm like, really great. A lot's going on, super full schedule, everything's great. So I think it really does matter how you you handle it. But yeah, great leaders are transparent that there's a lot going on, but they don't dump it on their team. And I feel I feel pretty strongly about that.

Jolynne Rydz 12:27

Yeah, and I would agree there's there's such a maturity in that because what I I see people do is like I don't want to dump it on my team, so I I stonewall and pretend everything's incredibly fine. Can't do that. And then it's not okay for when the team doesn't feel fine. So it's that little bit of nuance and the wording choice as well. Yeah.

Carrie Fabris 12:47

Yeah, I I think that it's it thanks for saying that because um, you know, all of us need a healthy outlet. And if someone's a leader that is just constantly bogged down and they want to, you know, keep it from their team, again, I would not act like everything is great and you're dying inside because eventually you're gonna implode or explode. Um, it's more of there's just a lot going on, but everything is everything's good. Like we're good, everything's steady, we're stable. Um, I've got a lot of my mind and on my plate, but I'm taking care of it in a in a proactive, healthy way. And then it's finding what that proactive healthy way is. Is it, do you have a coach? Do you have a therapist? Do you have a mentor? Do you have someone that you can talk to? I will tell you more times than not, the executives that I coach, I am a sounding board for them. We're not going through goals and KPIs and organizational structure and things like that. It they are they are talking through things that are on their mind, that's keeping them up at night, that's worrying them about the team, what they're excited about with the team, all the things. And I'm just giving them the space to to verbally process it. And so when a leader has a lot on their plate, it's it's please have somebody that you can, a trusted place where you can verbally process that stuff. So you don't implode. And because anytime someone says, I'm fine, we'll we know they're not really fine. They're not fine, they're not even close to fine.

Trusting The Universe To Leap

Jolynne Rydz 14:14

Yeah, so well said. And I think it gets lonelier as you get to the top, right? So having that external person that's not gonna spread that yeah, it can be vibe throughout the organization, but you still need to process it. So yeah, love that point. Yeah, definitely need to get it out in a healthy way. Yes. I keep forgetting that. Always, always good to remind people. Now I was reading your book and I'll just show it for people on on the video here, which is yeah, all in a working mom's unapologetic quest for a juicy life. It's such a juicy title. Yes, yes. And I really loved how open you were about all of the the challenges and your journey into where you really, like you said, did career frame the right time the second time. Yeah. And I couldn't help but notice that there were numerous moments in the book where you things almost just magically fell into place for you. So I'm really curious about your your views around, you know, being supported by something outside of ourselves. So let's say the universe as an example. Yep. A big, big fan of the universe.

Carrie Fabris 15:21

Um, yeah. Can I tell a quick little story? Go for it. Love stories. It's it's in the book. Um and this is just one of this the mo again, such a magical example. I'll be brief. So I um I was back in corporate after again failing awesomely the first time and knew that that's not where I wanted to be. I knew I needed to be here. And I had been talking to this company for about a year and a half about trying to just get them as a new client because I would not let myself jump back into career frame without having some client lined up. I wasn't gonna just walk away from a six-figure salary to zero because I felt I needed to be here. That's how stubborn I was. And I'm literally gonna say that I was stubborn because of what actually happened. So I did a lot of work on myself and finally just was like, I don't think this company's ready. And I just let go. I just kind of surrendered to it. And then it was I I I really know that I'm supposed to be here. It's time to make the decision. So after some more work that I had had done, um, I decided to resign. And I had this plan to tell my fabulous boss at the time, we're still very good friends. Um, I was gonna tell her on Friday. Well, let me back up. I knew that I was, I told myself I was not going to resign without a client, but I was not going to resign until after I got a five-figure bonus. Okay, that's an important part to the story. So I told myself, okay, I've got to find out am I even getting this bonus on January 15th. I didn't really know for sure. January 31st, it has to hit the bank. Let me just let it hit the bank. Then I'm gonna count to five, then I'm gonna resign on a Friday. And so I just kind of waited. So get the call on January 15th, you're getting your bonus. Amazing. First box checked. Then I just waited January 31st, hits my account. I'm like, oh my gosh, it's in the bank. Now I can resign, not having any clients lined up. I've got some little net to jump into. So then again, I was gonna call her on Friday. She called me Thursday afternoon. And what was interesting is this boss of mine was phenomenal. We had, again, we had a great relationship, but we were more text and email. We rarely, we we had our like one-on-ones, but other than that, we were just texting all the time and emailing each other. So she calls me and I'm like, that's interesting. Why is she calling me? She never calls. So she was calling me to tell me that she was adding some positions to the team, just wanted to make sure I knew, and that was it. And I was like, I it was like this inner voice was like, now tell her now. So I said, I have um actually have something to tell you. I I'm I've decided to leave. And so she's like, okay, tell me. So we talk about it. So I at that moment I didn't feel anything but total calm and peace. And the next day, the company that I had been talking to for a year and a half, that I had just fed, they're not ready. They reached out to me and they asked me for an agreement. And so that was one of those situations. I know I still get chills when I tell that story. That was one of those situations where it was like the universe was asking me, how serious are you about doing this? You talk about it, like if you're really serious, then you gotta trust you're going to get clients. You can't keep waiting to get the thing before you do the thing. And so the minute I said, I just surrendered, I'm like, I know that this is where I gotta go. And it doesn't matter that I don't have any clients. One arrived the next day. And so throughout the journey, it really is about it's about trusting and it's trusting yourself, first of all, and trusting the path that you're on. I mean, I a lot of us get so bogged down with with just life and all the heaviness that that it can bring sometimes and all the joys and delights it can bring too. But we forget that we're exactly where we're supposed to be right now. And so I did a lot of work. And again, if you've read the book, you you know that the entire part two is all the work that I did to unpack trauma and beliefs, and I'm still working on it. I still I mean, I think we're kind of always evolving. So for me, it kind of goes in seasons. Like I'll want to do some work on myself from on a specific topic, and then I'll get to where I want to with that topic, and then I'll just rest. And then something else will pop up, and I'm like, oh, I kind of want to evolve on that too, and then I'll evolve on that too. Um, but yeah, I think that a lot of it is is when you trust the universe. And one of my favorite quotes happens to be a Tony Robbins quote, and it is where focus goes, energy flows. And when we're focusing on bad things and things not happening, we're surprised that things are not happening. But when we focus on the good things and we surrender and we trust ourselves, that's when the good stuff, the juicy stuff shows up.

Jolynne Rydz 20:18

Yeah. And there was also a decision in there as well. I noticed you had to decide. And then it's almost like that Thursday, the universe is like, let's just make sure she's gonna do it now. Yeah. That's not like till Friday.

Carrie Fabris 20:30

Yeah. When we do things that, I mean, this is my belief. When we do things that are aligned with a soul path that we're supposed to be on, or just where we're supposed to be, um, I mean, we we can see the evidence. And for me, in that story I just shared with you, the evidence that I did, I got on the path I was supposed to be was that agreement showing up the next, the next day. Yeah. Like, how does that happen? That's crazy. Um, you know, and then also in the book, the book starts where you know I'm in London and I find out that I, you know, we're trying to get my son into this school here in the States. And um, I love this principal that I meet. And and then I go to London and I meet his sister-in-law at a bar. And I'm like, what? Yeah, you can't just nobody that, right? No, all these little things, and you're just like, okay. So I I definitely believe in a higher power, whatever that higher power is that you believe in. I do believe that there's a higher power that literally has our back. And it's just like, as soon as you stop bitching and moaning and hean on ha on about everything, you'll see that I've got everything coming your way. I do believe that higher power wants us to have everything that our true heart desires. And we just got to get out of the way. A lot of times we have to get out of the way.

Jolynne Rydz 21:53

Yeah. And I also love the other signal that I think you shared, which was you felt such peace. Yeah. In that moment.

Carrie Fabris 22:01

Yeah. I mean, that was literally the common piece. That was it. There was no worry, there was no scared, there was no angry, there was no excitement. It was just, this is exactly what I'm supposed to be telling you right now, boss lady.

Self Development Beyond Your Employer

Jolynne Rydz 22:12

And yeah, it's great. So I'm I'm smiling because as I was reading your book, yes, you do talk a lot about learning. And for you as a Gallup strength coach, learner is number two of my of my top five strengths. So I was going, oh yeah, yeah, I've got a fellow learner soul. Yeah. So my question to you, Carrie, is how important do you think it is to pursue development outside of what an organization? Or your employer can provide you?

Carrie Fabris 22:37

I think it's very important to always grow. The minute we stop growing, we start dying. And so I think that it is imperative for all of us to feed our brains, our heart, our soul, our body, whatever development looks like for you, right? Is it personal development, is it emotional development, physical development, um, again, just with energy, it is all of those things, physical and emotional, mental, and spiritual. And we are made to evolve. We are built to evolve and to grow. And so I think that we're also made for connection. And a lot of times I think we forget that the number one person we have to connect with, we must connect with is ourself. It's just getting, you know, and and I I've had my round with this. Like there's again, still, still work to do with the inner knowing, the inner peace, the inner just trust. Um, you know, the the more hardworking, the more achiever, the more stubborn we are, the harder that can feel to get to that point. But I think that it is, I kind of think it's a must for people. And when I say that, if someone's listening and they're like, well, I don't do this, and what's wrong with me? It's not that at all. It's more of like, look at it as an opportunity. And I I would almost ask a really bold direct question, which is why wouldn't you develop yourself on your own? Why would you put the power in an employer to furnish that for you? Why would you not choose you and go do it? It's it's as simple as picking up a book. You know, I mean, sure, there are dependent people that go and they find us coaches and they hire coaches and they do a whole thing. They go to the Tony Robbins seminar, all the other stuff, but it doesn't have to be that. You can't even start with a pen in your hand and a journal and you just start writing. I mean, to me, that is development and that is investing in yourself. And so I think that it's just find something that resonates with you and start because the things you will unpack about yourself, the things you will discover about yourself are magic. Just pure magic.

The VIBE Checklist And Stress Recovery

Jolynne Rydz 24:46

Yeah, and that's such a nice loop back to where we started about talking about knowing yourself, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So is there anything else you wanted to share on energy management or maybe what you're working on these days?

Carrie Fabris 24:59

Well, let's see. What I'm working on these days um really are more around the just career frame and how we want to scale, we want to expand. And so just growing the team to make sure that we can truly serve our client partners to the best of our ability and as often as we um as often as we can. Um, you know, when it with energy management, there is, I have a vibe checklist, and I just want to kind of rattle this off for people because it's real something that everyone can jot down as think about. Um V is verifying your emotion or your feeling. Um, I is the impact of that emotion or feeling. B is kind of balancing the cost, meaning time, energy, emotions, money. And then E is execute or eliminate. And so when we're thinking about things that we're doing that you're using our energy, kind of that return on energy, R O E, if you will, you can do just a quick little vibe check on what's my vibe around this thing. Is it lighting me up or is it draining me? And I just want to remind everyone to just take these moments every now and then to stop and pause and think about how am I feeling energetically? Because again, if you don't have energy and you're doing constant doing, you're not really all out. You're you're almost like half-assed doing it because you're you're not really taking care of you and the and and the the vessel that is you to be able to give really quality um output. It becomes quantity versus quality. So just a little reminder to people, you know, check your vibe and and you, you and only you can get your energy up. You choose where you're gonna be, you choose what you're gonna say, how you're gonna feel, what you're gonna do, what you're gonna think, um, and just kind of stand guard at the door to your heart to just make sure that you show up your best self.

Jolynne Rydz 26:56

Yeah. What a beautiful little checklist. And it's so true. I was literally talking to a client yesterday saying the Olympics are on at the time of this recording, that the athletes don't go full pelt the whole time. They take rest and recovery days, and that's so critical to them performing at their peak. And yet, as people, everyday people or or in in the workplace, we're just pushing and hustling and feeling like we have to produce and do more and more and more. And I think it's it's making people really unwell.

Carrie Fabris 27:23

I I love that you said that because you you said something really important about the rest and the recovery. When it talks to, like if someone's feeling burnout or super stressed out, that's actually not the problem. Stress is never the problem. If you think about back to growth, you have to stress something to get it to be stronger. So we actually need stress. The lack of stress recovery is the problem. So it's beautiful what you said. Like we have to remember to pause and rest. And for example, I mean, I did that today because I knew I was gonna be talking to you at eight o'clock my time in the in the evening. And I've been up since six this morning, and I've been nonstop. But there was a couple of moments where I had a 10-minute break or 15-minute break, and I walk away from my computer, I put my phone down, I actually went and flopped on my bed for a second and just took like five deep breaths and then came back and did my thing. And so those little moments of stress recovery are so key to energy management. So thank you for bringing that up. That's a real important.

Seven Swift Questions And Wrap

Jolynne Rydz 28:25

You're welcome. And thank you so much for being here at this time of night. It's always fun juggling international guests. I love it.

Carrie Fabris 28:32

I love it I'm feeling so international, Jolene. I'm just like, how's everybody doing down under? This is great. This is fantastic.

Jolynne Rydz 28:39

So I want to bring us home with some seven swift questions. So no need to overthink them. Just answer with the first thing that comes to your mind. So, question one is in your view, what are three words that describe an ideal leader?

Carrie Fabris 28:52

Honest, caring, and I am overthinking it and I shouldn't. Um Honest, caring, and wow, like I really I'm I'm like wanting to give you such an amazing word. Honest, caring, and smart. Just someone that can that someone that you know you want to follow.

Jolynne Rydz 29:10

Honest, caring, and smart. And so question number two is fill in the blank.

Carrie Fabris 29:14

Magnetic authenticity is such alignment with yourself, inner alignment that you do have this uh sense of peace and trust that is magnetic, it makes people want to connect with you, right? Because you're just radiating this inner peace and calm. Um that is your authentic self. I think that's what I'd say.

Jolynne Rydz 29:38

Yeah, like that inner alignment. Yeah. So number three is when you're trying when when you find yourself trying to fit in, what's the first thing that you do?

Carrie Fabris 29:47

When I am trying to fit in you know, it's uh it's interesting because I don't I don't know that I really try to fit in. I I accept the fact that I'm not for everybody. So I just show up as my authentic self, introduce myself, say hello, start conversation, and if we have a great conversation connection, we do. And if we don't, that's okay too. I shake hand and I move on. Yeah, beautiful. Such a healthy way to look at it. I learned years ago I am not gonna be everybody's cup of tea, and I am okay with that.

Jolynne Rydz 30:18

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So question number four is what song gets you really pumped?

Carrie Fabris 30:23

Oh man. Uh well, I want it all by Queen.

Jolynne Rydz 30:26

That's that's definitely one.

Carrie Fabris 30:28

Um, I I did go through a phase where, and I talk about this in the book, uh Let's Go with Calvin Harris and Neo, um, was like literally like my walk-up music for a bit um when I was doing some speaking rounds. But I didn't say right now, um, I want it all because I'm a huge Queen fan. Anything, Freddie Mercury.

Jolynne Rydz 30:45

Totally. Oh, how brilliant was the movie. It was so good.

Carrie Fabris 30:49

Yeah, as you as you read, it was it was pretty transformational for me on a deep level.

Jolynne Rydz 30:54

So number five is what's the most daring thing you've done, Carrie?

Carrie Fabris 30:58

Launch a business.

Jolynne Rydz 31:00

Oh, yes.

Carrie Fabris 31:01

Yes. I no one's more surprised than be about being an entrepreneur than me. If you would have asked me, because we're we're 10 years old this year, but if 12 years ago, I would have laughed. Laughed. Like, no, that's not happening. So launching career frame and then failing and relaunching it, I would say. Not not giving up. Just trusting that this is where I was supposed to be and going for it again and doing it better the next time.

Jolynne Rydz 31:27

Yeah, I love that. And so this might actually tie into this next question, which is what's one favorite quote or mantra that you live by?

Carrie Fabris 31:36

Yeah, I it's the the fact that I said Tony's quote. Um, I do love that a lot. There's actually two things. Um the one that I'll repeat, because I said earlier, where focus goes, energy flows. And the other one is if you believe you're right or you believe you're wrong, you're right. You're correct. Right? Like it's just it's whichever one it is. Um if you believe you can, you believe you can't, you're right. I think that's that was actually the quote. I think I messed it up the first time. Henry Ford said that. And I remind myself of that because um belie our beliefs are everything. Our thoughts turn into action. We manifest our thoughts. And I think that's important to remember. If you believe you can or you believe you can't, you're right. I said it right that time. It's time for dinner, Julie.

Jolynne Rydz 32:24

Yeah, I know. Oh my goodness. Have you not had dinner? Okay, so let's fight finish on this final question, which is what's one small thing that brings you incredible joy?

Carrie Fabris 32:33

Man, I mean, honestly, not to sound goofball, but it really is my my family. We uh with the last name Fabrice, we call ourselves the Fab Four. I just every day I look at my husband and my two kids and I'm like, how the hell did I get this crew? And it is just the little things. It's the little things every day that just make me laugh and smile and make me so grateful. There's so many beautiful things, but that's the one that came straight to my heart when you asked the question.

Jolynne Rydz 33:01

Well, it's been such a lovely conversation with you, Carrie. Absolutely. Same. Thank you. So appreciative of your time and your wisdom and for your courage to just get up and, you know, fail and get up and show again, and here you are. So thank you so much for joining us.

Carrie Fabris 33:17

Yeah, absolutely. Thank you. I really love the conversation. I appreciate it.

Jolynne Rydz 33:21

Oh, and one final thing where can people find you if they they want to check out what you're doing?

Carrie Fabris 33:25

Yeah. So I am on Instagram @a cdfabris. I am on LinkedIn. We also have our website, careerframe.com. It is we're launching a new, brand new, beautiful website, hopefully here at the end of February. And so anyone can go there and can contact us through uh the website and then check out my book, all in. It's on Amazon. And yeah, see how you can find your own juicy life.

Key Takeaways And Final Reminder

Jolynne Rydz 33:49

Amazing. Thank you so much, Carrie. I wish you were a juicy evening. Yes. Thank you so much. I trust you enjoyed today's conversation as much as I did. One of the things that I enjoyed was Carrie's take on energy management and how it's not woo, it's actually strategic. So we talk so much about the fuel in our bodies being the food we eat, the sleep that we get, but there's not enough conversation, I believe, around how purpose, fulfillment, and passion can actually drive someone. The second thing that was really amazing was the vibe checklist. So vibe being verify your feelings, identify real impact, balance the cost, and execute or eliminate. And Carrie is sharing the checklist with us. So make sure you check out the show notes to grab yourself a copy. And then the final thing that I really enjoyed about the conversation was Carrie's take on being vulnerable and authentic as a leader and making sure that doesn't actually seep out that negative energy seeping out into the team. So holding this line of I may not be okay right now, but I will be okay. And therefore, we as a team will be okay. And it's so, so important. So if anything resonated from today's conversation, please do feel free to connect with Carrie and always remember you are born for a reason. It's time to thrive.