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Episode 21 - What Time Is It… and Did We Just Share a Dream?

• Alex & Megan

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In this episode, we investigate one of the most suspiciously normal questions you can ask in a dream: “What time is it?”

In real life, it’s harmless. In a dream? Apparently it’s a great way to completely break reality.

For some reason, asking the time while dreaming tends to make everything fall apart. Clocks show impossible numbers, phones glitch out, the environment starts acting weird, or the dream characters suddenly look at you like you just asked a question you were definitely not supposed to ask. Sometimes the dream just ends altogether, like someone pulled the plug on the whole thing.

Naturally, people started testing it. Lucid dreamers use it as a kind of reality check, because dreams are notoriously bad at keeping time straight. Your brain can build entire cities while you sleep, but apparently running a normal clock is where it draws the line.

But things get even stranger when you look at the stories people tell afterward. Some dreamers say when they ask the time, the people in the dream react with confusion… irritation… or straight-up panic. Almost like you broke a rule in a place that isn’t supposed to have rules.

Which leads us into the much weirder side of the internet: shared dreams. The idea that two people might actually experience the same dream at the same time. From people who swear they’ve met each other in dreams, to eerie stories of people comparing details after waking up, we look at the strange overlap between dreaming, coincidence, and the human brain’s love of a good mystery.

So tonight, if you find yourself dreaming and everything feels a little too real, try asking the simplest question you can think of.

Just be prepared if the dream suddenly starts acting like you weren’t supposed to notice...

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SPEAKER_00

I'm Alex, and we are two filthy horse. Welcome to Beyond the Veil.

SPEAKER_01

Uh listen, so for the intro, I completely forgot that we both say we are two filthy whores. I don't I don't fucking understand how that happened. I'm keeping it. But I had a moment. I had a moment. Um I'm struggling. Okay. Anyway, happy, happy hour. Uh how are you doing?

SPEAKER_00

I'm okay. Um oh you know what? No, I'm not. I lied. I lied to you so bad. Um, so there's been some weird fucking shit going on in my house right now.

SPEAKER_01

Weird? Like I keep No sees?

SPEAKER_00

Yes, I think so. I keep hearing weird noises. And every time I'm just like watching TV or I'm looking ahead, I keep seeing shit out of the corner of my eye, like shadows and stuff. And I know that it's not just me, because my cat, like Lily, is seeing it too. Because we'll be on the couch and she'll be like just sitting on top of me, and all of a sudden I see something, but my eye doesn't go to it. I just ignore it. And then Lily, her head like darts over there, and I'm like, oh my god. Um, and I just every time I'm walking, even if it's in the daytime, I keep feeling like someone's behind me. Like it's not even like I'm being watched, it feels like someone's like walking right behind me.

SPEAKER_01

It's so fucking nutty, man. That is nutty. Um cleans your space. Um, clean your space, cleanse your space. I don't know. I have it.

unknown

Good.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, good. Um, I mean, there is a full moon coming up.

SPEAKER_00

That's exciting. Also, the other day, my mom was over and I was sitting on the couch, and you know what my couch looks like. It has like five or six little sections where you can lift up the bottom cushions where you sit your ass on. And I was sitting like all the way at the far end, and um my phone just went missing. Like I had I just had it, and then out of nowhere it went missing, and I was lifting up all of these fucking cushions and I couldn't find it. And then I walked away, like I went to the bathroom and I came back, and my mom had the couch torn apart. She was like, I can't find it. And so she called it, and it was under a cushion across from the couch, like the other side of the couch. You wanna know what's fucking weird?

SPEAKER_01

I mean, you just witnessed me looking for my phone for the last 20 minutes, and it was somewhere that I know I didn't put it. I know I didn't put my fucking phone there. I and Dylan and Ben were outside. Cause I was on the couch because I was like cleaning up stuff real quick and grabbing a glass of wine and stuff. And um I went to the kitchen because I was putting like uh treats and a thing for Mika and Coda so that way they will leave me alone while I'm doing this. So I was doing that, so I know I was in the kitchen, I was in the restroom, like bathroom, whatever, and then on the couch for a second. So those are the only places I was at. And it was on like it was under a jacket and Mika's leash on the chair, like the chair by the entertainment center. And it wasn't there at all. And I only go to that chair when I'm putting Mika out because her leash is on it, so I'll like put my jacket on and put her harness on her. So I know and I didn't have her out yet, you know, so I know I didn't put it there. I don't know fucking how that happened. I know, but it's weird that we both had that experience. A phone issue, yeah, like that just disappeared like that.

SPEAKER_00

That was not where it should have been at all.

SPEAKER_01

No, the fairies took 'em.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

We didn't ask politely for them back, we just found out. Um, yeah, it's uh also Happy St. Paddy's Day. It's happy close day.

SPEAKER_01

Um, yeah, I am dog sitting right now. My in-laws went on the cruise lucky them, so I'm watching their their dog, so um, it's been crazy fun having because Mika, they like each other, but Coda's much older, and Mika is a lot younger and tons of energy. Yes, and Mika like wants Coda to play with her, wants her to cuddle her, and Coda's not ha Coda's not a cuddly lovey dog. Like she doesn't she's a nice dog, she's a good dog, but she doesn't want to snuggle up and in love up with Mika. And Mika wants that desperately. So it's been a little bit rough, but they're okay. Good. We've been having fun. And we took Mika to a track yesterday. I don't know, did we did I send you a snapshot?

SPEAKER_00

Oh, I did see videos of it. Yeah, that was so cute.

SPEAKER_01

Because I was like, Mike Dylan, she's a hurting dog. She needs to run. Like, she needs to. I'm like, we need to take her somewhere and let her run, run. Because we can't let her do that in our yard. Our yard is big enough, but it's not fenced in. Uh-huh. And she's gonna chase cars. She likes to chase cars. That's really bad. That's it. I don't know how to stop. I don't know. I'll be walking her. And it's not all the time. It's you know, sometimes I'm walking and she's perfectly fine. She lets the car pass, she's ignoring it. Other times, and this is how I don't know when to fucking expect it. I don't know what what catches her attention with certain cars, and she'll just whip and try to chase it the opposite way, and I'm like, you go. So I have to constantly be alert with her, constantly. And she's fast too, so that's yeah, she's so fast.

SPEAKER_00

She's so cute though. Like, I saw the videos of her running and like her whole body just so cute. I don't know how to describe it, it's hilarious.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, because uh she like she kind of leaps like a bunny, like her bunnies like uh they're back. I know she gets some fucking speed the way she does it though. Like her back paws move, like she like gallops. Like, I don't know how to explain it. Like it's I don't either.

SPEAKER_00

But it's funny, and she um oh, she's so short to the ground.

SPEAKER_01

So my god, I'm I'm obsessed with Corgi's, I love them. She's amazing.

SPEAKER_00

I know, they are really cute.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, so I don't know, like a little bit of a topic switch, but I wanted to update the listeners. I don't know if I've talked about it on the podcast because I don't think we've recorded since I was diagnosed, but I was diagnosed with type 2 di diabetes. I think I talked about it on the podcast before, but just in case anyone's curious, I did get the official diagnosis. Um, I'm currently fighting with my insurance company to cover uh medication. Like they're pretty much uh denying any form of like medication for diabetes treatment except for like one thing that I've been on for like a couple months that's not dropping my sugar levels. And the thing is I it's not what necessarily what I'm eating because I'm not eating tons of carbs and sugar. Um but it's getting there, you know, it's still high no matter what I do. So we're working on it, but that's it. Um but yeah, so shout out to people who know what it's like to oh fight these like not the doctors, not the insurance company.

SPEAKER_00

Shout out to nobody.

SPEAKER_01

Because I have really good insurance, like I do have very good insurance, and like I can't believe they're doing this to me. Like, I'm so pissed. I'm really annoyed about it, and I'm sorry that you're going through it. Yeah, thank you. I need to get a new webcam or something and see if that's what is. Do you see it would you fuck out? Yes, I know. Like a horror game or something, like a horror movie.

SPEAKER_00

I noticed it the first time and only time we ever played FAST, you bitch.

SPEAKER_01

No, we played twice.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, we played twice, and you've had your PC for months.

SPEAKER_01

Um, we'll play again soon. Uh, we both have been kind of caught up with stuff, so. And you've been playing that other game a lot, so what game? I don't know. I can't remember what's called. The I don't know. Oh, the one I told you to buy 17 times? Yes, but I haven't had the time to buy it. Like I haven't had the income to buy it right now. I'm a project.

SPEAKER_00

Me too.

SPEAKER_01

My puppy treatments are the vet.

SPEAKER_00

Bro, I I know how much dog treatments are. I'm not into the whole puppy thing.

SPEAKER_01

That's that's a lot of money and a lot of work. All like back to back, kind of, so that's why it was so messy right away. Holy shit, like I can imagine.

SPEAKER_00

And um, the game that I play is Pow World, but I haven't played it in a while except for last night. Yes, Tyler was like, Do I play Pow World? And I was like, No. Oh, because I don't I just got like over it. I I unlocked everything. I'm like, I'm this close to like hundred percenting the game. Well, not like hundred percenting it, but getting all the Steam achievements.

SPEAKER_01

The reason I thought that was because I swear your Discord, whenever I was on here, said that you were playing that. Last night no, not last night. I mean, I know last night for sure because you sent me this the Snapchat, but I mean like the last like two weeks, if I was because I had my Discord up and it was just I mean, mine will say I'm playing Roblox even though I'm not like so maybe that's what the situation is. I don't know. But that's that's why I just assumed that you were playing.

SPEAKER_00

So I'm sorry that I assume I'm like oh no, it's okay. I'm like literally never even on my computer anymore unless I'm doing podcast stuff, or I'm playing Faz, but I don't usually play Faz like when you play Roblox. We play kind of at different times, I think.

SPEAKER_01

Uh dude, I was playing Fallout New Vegas last night. It is my favorite game. I I like I mean, I used to fuck shit up in college when I with the I remember watching you. And um, yeah, so I got that and I was playing it. Uh Dylan got it for me like around Christmas time because he knew uh he knew that's my favorite game. And um started a new thing last night. The fucking computer, like my game just kept glitching and like shutting off on me. And I was like, I don't know if this is like just a fallout experience, like this is just how my life is gonna be forever. Or if it's something with my PC, so Dylan's gonna check it out and just see because he's like, maybe you're I think he said drivers need updated. I am not computer like literate, so I'm trying my best to do it. Like, what does that even mean? Uh yeah, I'm not my team person. Who were the drivers and what did they need to update? Is it Leclerc? There's CDL? Hello? Hi Leclerc.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I don't know anything about technology either.

SPEAKER_01

I'm really bad at it. Mm-hmm. Me too. So all the neighborhood kids came over to my house yesterday. Dylan and I are cleaning out the truck and car. Um they're all of them? Not all. The girls, oh my gosh, all the boys. My neighbor, the people who share a yard with me, like not we have a yard, different yards, but you know, like there's no fence or anything separating it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Them, the uh not the cemetery, the people on the other side of me. They uh their grandkids were over too. We haven't met their grandkids yet. And they were like on their little like tiny little four-wheelers, like staring at the boys playing outside. And all the boys like came running over to me, they're like, We're getting stalked. There's a person in a jeep staring at me. I didn't know they were talking about six and like three-year-old. And I was like, Oh my god. I'm like, show me where. Like, I'm like furious. I'm like thinking someone stopped outside on the street. And then they bring me over to the neighbor's yard, and there's two little kids playing it on their little jeep things, and I'm like, I'm That's so funny. I'm like, guys, you guys could told me it's kids, and they're like, Yeah, they're staring at us. And I'm like, Yeah, because they probably want to play. And I'm like, just wave at them. And then they waved at them and then they waved back. And then slowly the kids, the little kids, um got the nerve, like they they got brave enough to ask their parents if they can come over and play. And then they came over and they were like, Yeah, you just you have to see if it's allowed. So they came over and asked me, and I was like, Absolutely. So then they were coming over and play. My house was full of kids. It was amazing. I loved it. Yeah, it was um a little bit stressful because I had two dogs there, and Mika got a little overly excited because she loves kids, and I was like, Let's chill, but chill out. Yeah, so I that's all my updates, I think. That's but it was chaotic. It was such a beautiful day yesterday.

SPEAKER_00

Oh my god, I know I loved it so Yeah, I I embraced it.

SPEAKER_01

We were outside pretty much all day long.

SPEAKER_00

I actually went on a walk yesterday. I like I I know I did because I don't I don't go outside, and I think that when I say I don't go outside, people think it's no. Yeah, like you go outside.

SPEAKER_01

I don't even think you go out when you let like deck out. You just kinda open the door.

SPEAKER_00

Just open the door. It's really bad. Like I checked on my life 360 the other day because like I have it with um Courtney and stuff, and it was like Wednesday, and it was like last time you left the house, Thursday, and I was like, oh, I was like, I need to go outside, like I need to go get some sun. So yesterday I did that and it was really nice, and me and Tyler went on a walk with Deka, and then um we did some stuff for her um Ireland and Scotland trip, and we got pretty far. It was kind of stressful at first though, but because it's kind of it's like getting close, like it's it's really close and we have to book things, and things weren't available and it was getting scary. So boy. But we figured it out. I figured most of it out this morning because what the problem was was that things weren't lining up with her man's work schedule, so it was like like he can't he couldn't leave work that Friday before they took the flight, so because they're trying to fly out of Pittsburgh and then go to Dublin, then it was just a whole thing, and then I was trying to find camper vans that she could pick up in Dublin and drop off in Belfast and then take the tr the ferry from Belfast to Scotland and then go to like Glasgow and Edinburgh and stuff, but it wasn't working because you can take camper vans across the ferry, but you have to drop those camper vans off at the location you got them, and she was trying to leave from Scotland instead of going back to Dublin. So it was a whole thing.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, that would be so they're gonna they're gonna be camping instead of like hoteling or Airbnb type thing.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it's way better. I mean, that's what we did in Iceland. It's just nicer. I don't know. I mean it what I don't want to say it's nicer. It's nice whenever you want to explore, like whenever you want to go see things and um like not have to worry about getting Ubers or getting a rental car because you're if you think about it, your rental car and your lodging is just in one.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Um, and it's nice to do with two people. Like when me and Tyler have kids, we're not gonna be able to do that, you know? Yeah, a little bit tighter then. But she we figured it out. Where she's just gonna go, she's gonna fly into Belfast and then go down like south to Dublin and then around and then drop it off in Belfast before she gets on the ferry. I still have to figure out the Scotland part.

SPEAKER_01

So is all her stuff booked? No.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, no, no, it's not.

SPEAKER_01

But a lot of the things Isn't it the flight booked though?

SPEAKER_00

She's gonna do it tomorrow. Okay. I sent her the link for the right one, uh, the one that I think is best. Because it's like a 10 45 p.m. flight from Pittsburgh, and then a few-hour layover in London, and then she'll fly from London to Belfast, which is only like a little bit of time. And then she'll arrive at like 10 a.m. Belfast time, I think. So it's very convenient. I think that's the best one. So awesome. It'll work out, but yeah, it was it was a little it was a little stressful when I was like, you don't worry about anything, you stop stressing about it. This is my job. I'm gonna figure it out. And so I spent like most of my morning doing that, but it was fun. Like, I enjoy doing that stuff, so yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I felt bad because I was like, I know you guys had that like appointment set up, and I was like having a full-blown fucking mental breakdown in our group chat. Shut up. You're allowed. You guys were gr you were very supportive, so thank you.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I was like, oh no, I can speak for everybody when I say that we'll always be supportive of one another. Like just it doesn't even matter what's going on. I don't care if it's my fucking wedding. Like, I'm there.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I think it's just been stressful because I haven't been able to eat well. Um because I've been getting so sick from my sugar being too high. And the thing is, when you skip meals, your sugar goes higher. So you have to like get yourself to eat, but like I was nauseous from like the symptoms of being, you know, high high blood sugar shit. So it was just this really bad cycle I got into. I finally broke it yesterday and was able to like eat pretty well. Um I've been drinking like protein drinks and stuff like that to help. Like I got like a good I don't shout out to Seek. I don't know if anybody it's S-E-E-Q. If you're looking for a cool protein drink, it's like uh like I had the blue raspberry and I'll vouch it's pretty good. Um so if anybody's looking for a good protein that is a good one. I like it. Okay, good to know. Yeah. But anyway, let's jump into the episode unless you have anything else.

SPEAKER_00

No, I think that's everything for me.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, if you guys haven't couldn't tell, we haven't talked too much lately. We've both been very busy, so we had a lot to talk about. Yeah, it's been pretty hectic. Yeah, it's been a lot, so okay. Let's jump in. You go first today.

SPEAKER_00

Go ahead. Okay, so back in episode five, when the dinosaurs were alive and we had to hunt food with spears, we talked about dreams. More specifically.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah? Dylan's mom keeps spelling Mika's name wrong. I'm sorry for sidetracking like this. She keeps spelling it M-I-C-A, it's M-I-K-A, and Dylan keeps correcting her, and I don't know if her phone ought to correct it again to the wrong spelling, but Dylan was like, It's Mika, you dinosaur. Dinosaur. I fucking died. I'm sorry, go ahead. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, that is wild. No, that's funny. I appreciate knowing that. That's really funny. That's like everybody though who like has been because Dylan's been in the family for like eons, right? Like he's been here for so fucking long. People will still write D-Y-L-A-N. Like, that is not how you spell it. Like, it's because it it is like a different spelling. I've never met anybody with D-Y-L-I-N, but I'm like, how have you like how do you not care to figure out how to not not about your mom your mother-in-law, that's different. But like a a human, like who's been in the family for so long. Like, how do you not?

SPEAKER_01

Like Dylan's been in here forever. But like, like so long that like I almost forget a time whenever like beforehand. You didn't. You know what I mean? Like it's always he's always just been here. But anyway, and I mean that in the best way, not the wrong. Like, not like, oh, he's always here. It's like he's great. No, I know. But anyway, I know. Uh people in our family spell my name wrong, and it's fucking Megan. Like, it's an easy spelling. I know there's a couple different spellings of Megan, but mine is like the easiest spelling of it.

SPEAKER_00

Like, it's there's literally the easiest and best way to spell that. Like, there's just no nothing else compares. No, I I agree with you.

SPEAKER_01

I don't understand that. It's so weird. Like, I'll get a Christmas card. Oh, my name's spelled wrong. I'm like, you literally are bloody letters.

SPEAKER_00

Like, my mom's parents literally fucking spelled our little sister's name wrong for years. And I'm like, that's your literal granddaughter. Like, how are you doing that? There's like a whole bunch of variations from her name, but still, like, come on, sound it out. That's all you have to do with her.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it's pretty simple when you think about it. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00

But anyway, jump into the dinosaurs, the dreams. So, more specifically in the dreams episode, we talked about lucid dreaming, astral projection, and more. So, tonight's episode plays into lucid dreaming. And if you don't know or you didn't listen to episode five, lucid dreaming is when you're actively in a dream and become aware that you're dreaming. So you're completely asleep but conscious of what's happening, which is a crazy fucking concept to me, and I don't I don't love it. I don't love that. I don't know. It freaks me out. Oh, and also Courtney's man that I was talking about, he literally will lucid dream like almost on the daily. That's fucking nuts. But he's good at it. He he likes it, he tries to do it, yeah. Yeah. I found that out a long time ago, and I just wanted to throw it out there.

unknown

Cool.

SPEAKER_00

So if you're a creepy person like us, chances are you've dug into creepy shit like this and have heard of lucid dreaming and asking someone in your dream, what time is it? On Earth, we measure time by hours and minutes, but in the astral realm, we don't measure time. Or if we do, it's not in a linear form. Which makes sense when you really think about it because when we dream it feels like a few minutes, but in our time it was longer than that.

SPEAKER_01

That always blows my mind that like the amount of I'm sorry, I just took a huge deep breath into my mic, so I apologize for that.

SPEAKER_02

But do it, do it again.

SPEAKER_01

Sucking air. But anyway, no, uh, it always blows my mind how much like time is different when you're dreaming versus like what's passing in the awake world, the woken world.

SPEAKER_00

I know, it's very fascinating, and I wish we could figure out like the correlation, or not the correlation, but the like to convert it, like to know what it actually is, like dream more.

SPEAKER_01

Oh like if there was like a set like amount, like if not, like is it?

SPEAKER_00

Like if it was like actually four hours for three seconds or something, like that's I don't know. It would be cool to know that, but I don't think we're quite there yet. And everyone's probably different. Scientifically speaking, we don't actually know why this happens, but there is a theory. Your brain's prefrontal cortex is very inactive during your REM cycle, and the prefrontal cortex is responsible for logic, linear time, and language processing. So if you ask someone in your dream what time it is, I guess your logic and time could be suppressed. So, with that being said, when you ask the forbidden time question, it breaks your dream's reality. And there are a few universal things that happen when you do this. And I'm just letting you know now, I've never heard a good story, nor have I ever seen a first hand account that says something bad did not happen. Typically, when you ask someone the date or time in your dream, you will feel fear. The environment around you in your dream will also turn dark. It's almost like a gradual gray turning to black. But before that, the people in your dream will get hostile, like unreasonably so. And honestly, the brain isn't supposed to know it's sleeping, so the bind between the two can freak you out, which I like I imagine is kind of why it happens. But again, that's just the theory. That's the science theory. I'm gonna read a few stories here because they are interesting. But I also really quickly, before I read those, I just want you to be aware that this can also trigger sleep paralysis. So proceed at your own risk if you decide to test this out. Because literally all you have to do is Know how to lucid dream and then ask what time it is. That's it. So just be careful, be weary. And let's go on. The first story says So I had been hearing about this theory often, and finally I had a moment of lucid dreaming where I understood what was happening was a dream. As doing so, I had been at a distorted version of my house. From what I remember, a party was ongoing and I had walked my way to the bathroom where a girl and a child had been, I guess, chilling in. Realizing I was in a dream and remembering the stories I had heard, I asked what time it was. And immediately the girl groaned in almost a demonic and annoyed manner. Thinking about it now, it was a sigh given by someone who was annoyed by the repeated question. I asked again in hope of an answer, and she again groaned and rolled her eyes. I wasn't satisfied, so I asked again, but this time she did nothing. When I went to ask again, two thirty came out of my mouth instead. My heart sank and she smiled at me. I tried to speak again, and I said two thirty again. Her smile changed into a wide grin like she had done it, and she was exhilarated by the knowledge that my response had thrown me off. I started walking off and all I could say was two thirty. When I got back to the main room, everyone was there. Everyone that was there looked at me, taunting when I couldn't help but repeat 230 over and over again. What disturbed me was that I knew I was dreaming, and usually in these cases I can control everything, but all my power in that instance was gone, and everyone in my dream was staring and smiling like they had won some sick competition. I backed myself into a wall, and the girl in the bathroom came up to me, putting her hand on my cheek, and then kissed me and I woke up. It was so so strange.

SPEAKER_01

That's creepy as fuck. First of all, why would you keep asking someone what time it is like over and over and over again if they're not gonna fucking answer you? Like I give you two shots, and if you're not gonna answer me, I'm gonna say fuck you and walk away. I'll find someone else to ask the time too. But I do understand if it's a dream, so I get it. But like whether you're dreaming what if I was knew I was dreaming or not dreaming, if someone didn't answer me a second time, I'd be like, fuck it, I'm gonna find somebody else. But also that was just so creepy. Like I got chills from that smiley smile type thing.

SPEAKER_00

Oh hell no. Because I think of that fucking movie, like that smile movie where it like, ugh.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, what if uh like when you're asking like you're breaking a certain role or something and they can like keep you in the dream and that's why they were smiling. Yeah, because they can like keep the stream.

SPEAKER_00

Oh my god, yeah. Yeah, what if she wasn't aware that she was lucid dreaming and couldn't wake herself up?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Like, and that's why it's so like advised against doing this, unless you can lucid dream.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, is it girl dreaming? I think so, yeah. Oh, okay. I pictured a boy. I think maybe because the girl kissed the boy, maybe. Oh, maybe. No, you might you might be fine. I just it's funny that you and I pictured different things without realism.

SPEAKER_00

That is interesting.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I'm not I don't know why she said like literally I was like, oh, because a girl kissed her. That doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_00

Like there's no yeah, especially to you. Yeah, it doesn't say anything in here about that, but that's crazy. You know what I wonder though?

SPEAKER_01

What?

SPEAKER_00

I wonder if she was dreaming this and it was 2.30 in the morning. Like, because it was just like 2 30. Ew, that's kind of creepy too.

SPEAKER_01

Like it's actually the whole time you ask in your dream. Yes. Because you don't know when you're dreaming, you don't know what time of the day it is. Well then again, there are times I like wake out of nowhere with like literally I'll be wide awake from for no reason. I'm like, it's three o'clock. And then I look and it's fucking and I'm like, God damn it.

SPEAKER_00

I know. Fucking annoying. Second one reads, Just happened last night. I was in some kind of a fun fair type of place with my best friend taking some quizzes. We were playing as a team, well, so I thought, but the next moment for some reason she got the right answer and I got it wrong and lost. I started descending through some small tube looking up at my friend's creepy smile, realizing she tricked me to lose. I end up in a basement where all the losers go for a punishment. It was some kind of injection on the bum cheek. I saw a little boy next to me who was waiting to get an injection but crying because he was scared. Then I realized he was one of my students. I'm a school teacher. So I said, Oh, don't worry, I'll take your punishment as well and get two injections. And as soon as I felt this prick on my bum, I became aware that I was dreaming. I should have taken my time exploring my dream, but I didn't even give myself time to think about it and said, What time is it? Very loud and clear. The moment I said it, it sounded like a big electricity breaker went down. I could hear the big machine suddenly turn off. All the music and noise of the people at the fun fair went completely silent. And I immediately felt my heart sink and felt this overwhelming fear come over me. For some reason, knowing I did something really bad. And then I felt this strange hand right in front of my stomach. I didn't see it, but I subconsciously knew that this hand could rip out all of my insides in one quick grab. That was when I knew I had to get the fuck out and thought about my husband who was sleeping on my side and woke up breathing frantically and sweating back in my bedroom. I was awake for a while, but my husband's face looked distorted and weird in the dark. I kept touching his face to make sure he's real. I didn't want to fall back asleep because I was so afraid of going back to that fun fair. I need to try again. The fact that they were like, I need to try again. No. You don't have to do that.

SPEAKER_01

Do you just go to bed and sleep? Yeah. I have a a serious feeling that when I go to sleep, I'm gonna accidentally ask what time it is just because it's gonna be stuck in my prank. And I'm not gonna be aware that I'm dreaming. Like it's gonna be like one of those like things like I'm I'm not aware that I'm dreaming, and I'm just gonna go, what time is it? And then I'm gonna have a nightmare.

SPEAKER_00

It's okay, so a lot of people, whenever they start to lucid dream or they try to lucid dream, what they'll do is they'll tell themselves, like they'll give themselves like words of affirmation at night to practice by saying, I can lose a dream, I'm going to be aware I'm dreaming, stuff like that. And I think that when people do the what time it is thing, they also do that before bed.

SPEAKER_01

So um, okay, but what here's the thing. If I don't know that I'm dreaming and I'm just dreaming, like I'm not lucid dreaming, and I ask it, is everybody gonna turn on me? Like, do you know that?

SPEAKER_00

I think so. I think so only because, well, I mean, if you don't know that you're dreaming and you ask what time it is, that's kind of like your prefrontal cortex is completely, almost completely, at rest during REM. So and that's like responsible for like time and language processing and stuff like that. So will you even be able to do that if you don't know about it? Like, I don't know. Because it's like at rest, like it's like it doesn't exist in your subconscious.

SPEAKER_01

But like, you can't always control what your dream is. So, like, I mean, I don't know. Like, I I mean that's a good point, but I really don't know. Like, what if it's just like uh it's stuck in the deep parts of my brain right now? Or like you're scared of it and then it happens, yeah. It's like I'm now it's something that's stuck in me and I'm gonna go to sleep and like not be able to control that part. You know what I mean? Well, let's hope you can wake yourself up. I'll let you guys know what happens if it happens. I don't know. I'm afraid that's a dreaming to be honest. Like, I mean there are times whenever I do it, but not intentionally. So I don't want to I'm afraid of intentionally doing it. Because I'm like, what if I don't like cover? Yes. Like that that's a huge thing for me. So I don't know.

SPEAKER_00

Or like what if something traumatic happens? Because some of these are definitely traumatic, or people have had some seriously traumatic issues with lucid dreaming. So I don't know. I don't know. Um I hope you don't experience it. So I'll I'll update you soon. Okay, the next story. It's not the first time I've lucid dreamed before. I never thought to ask the question, but I decided to try it this time. Oh boy, was that a mistake. I noticed I was dreaming when I had a realization of what the dream was trying to tell me. I've had multiple dreams, including one person over the years, but more frequent recently. And I turned to the person in my dream and I said the realization. They turned back to me kind of bemused, like, huh? Duh, and they kept walking. Since at that point I knew I was lucid dreaming, I decided to walk up to them as the other person in question came out of a building to meet up with us after they had just left in the opposite direction. I don't know. And I asked, okay, so I have a question. What time is it? As soon as I asked, the both of them turned to me deadpan as this bald man walked up to us and said, I don't know, but you don't belong here. And I got transported out of the dream, like those effects in shows when someone wakes up from a dream sequence. When I woke up, I was so creeped out after realizing what happened, but decided to try and go back and sleep and dream. Whenever I did close my eyes, I got to dream right away, but it was so weird as the dreams were like browsing TikTok, where I could watch one of them then scroll to the next, and I couldn't properly get back to an immersive dream. So basically, thanks to that experience, I don't think I'm going to ask that again when dreaming. And honestly, this one isn't as like crazy as the others, but I think it's still interesting because there were specific people in this person's dream that they didn't know. Like, because you know how like everyone talks about like the you can't dream about anybody unless you've seen them in person. Like your brain can't just like conjure up a new human. So I'm like, who was this bald man? And why did he think that this person didn't belong there? I don't know. It's just interesting. Cause it's not even like they got mad at this person, they just kicked them out. Like they're just like, you gotta go. I don't know. That's an interesting one.

SPEAKER_01

It is interesting. Sorry, it's real. I'm like responding in my head and I'm like, say it out loud.

SPEAKER_00

I have two more stories after this one. This one's probably the long. Okay. Hit me with it. This one says, Finally happened. Keep in mind I have a concussion currently, so maybe this wasn't a good idea. So in my dream, I was standing in a bathroom next to my daughter, who is her current age. I noticed that she left a bunch of stuff on the sink in the bathroom, and I was like, hey, you need to clean this up. But I also realized that I didn't recognize this bathroom, so I asked her where I was. She looked at me confused and said, You know where you are. Then I realized that someone else was in the shower, so I said, We need to get out of the bathroom because someone's in here. She said, You know who's in the shower, it's no big deal. We both exit the bathroom and we're in a bedroom I don't recognize. She leaves and walks out, but I notice that there's someone sleeping in the bed. The person is half asleep, wakes up and says, Hey honey, I'm so glad you're back. This person was a guy who I briefly dated years ago, right before I got together with my now fiance. Nothing bad happened in the relationship. Our schedules didn't match up because he was a chef with tough hours and I chose to end things. The guy kissed me hello and I remember the kiss like it was so real because it happened so many times in my real life. He told me how much he missed me since I've been gone, and he was so glad I was back home, that my daughter had been great the whole time that I was gone, etc. Suddenly we were exiting the house walking on the streets of a city. My daughter said, Typical Chicago weather. Keep in mind we live in New Jersey and I've never been to Chicago. The guy said, I'm so excited to show you something. I bought a store, and we walk around the corner. As we're walking, I start asking some questions about everything going on because I'm realizing this doesn't make sense because I'm realizing that this doesn't make sense, but both him and my daughter look at me funny asking why I don't remember why I'm being s and why I'm being so weird. I then explain, I guess my memory is bad because I have a concussion. Suddenly I put together that I'm dreaming because I recalled my cut concussion in real life. So I decide, hey, I should probably ask the date and time. So I'm asking him, what is the date? All of a sudden everything around me turns black, and all I see is the side of this guy's head and face slowly turning to me. All of a sudden it felt like a hand ripped me backwards from the base of my neck, almost like the base of my skull pulled me out of the dream, and suddenly I was paralyzed. I was trying to yell for my mother. My actual fiance was lying next to me and heard the moaning in my sleep and said, What's going on? This feels so surreal. I'm still feeling really weird about it. It's like I got to see what my life might have been like if I had chosen another path. And then suddenly, when I realized I was dreaming and asked the question, I felt this otherworldly thing aggressively pull me out. Like it snatched me from behind. So strange. I will not be doing that again.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, that seems like she I'm assuming she uh was like in a different like time. And when she became aware of it, the like universe or whoever would control the universe also became aware of it, like because she was aware of it, and that's how like she got caught and got ripped out of it because they were like, Oh, you're not supposed to be here, and like ripped her out. That's what it sounds like to me.

SPEAKER_00

Yes. I was gonna say something along those lines, like, what if that was her, but it was her in like a different planet or reality or something, and like her consciousness lined up.

SPEAKER_01

That was completely uncalled for, I'm sorry. You said planet, and I'm thinking blue aliens.

SPEAKER_00

Uh-huh. And like, what if their consciousness lined up, but hers was earthbound, and this other person's was something different, but it was still her, just not the same. I don't know. That's a clever idea. I like it. Next story. I saw that TikTok girl asking to never ask the timer date when sleeping months ago. It happened last night, I was at my family's on my father's side. It seems like I was leaving already. When I noticed a billboard that was supposed to be announcing a concert, there was a sort of glitch where the date was supposed to be. I immediately said, How weird, seems like time does not really work here. Everything went quiet, very gray, the billboard content went blank and it got very cold. When I turned around to search for my cousins and aunt, it was not them anymore, but instead creepy entities with pale skin and a sad look on their face. After a few seconds they started shaking their head, and I noticed how things were resetting. After the reset, I was again inside their house. Everything seemed normal. They were laughing and talking about stuff like they usually do, but I couldn't stop thinking about what had just happened. Next I walked towards one of my cousins and asked him, so why can we not speak about time here? His face immediately switched to this great, creepy, and sad looking entity, and he said, You need to stop. And then I woke up. Very unsettling. I hope I don't ask about time anymore tonight or ever again. I love how they said I hope I don't, like they're also not in control of it at this point.

SPEAKER_01

That's just like my whole like I'm literally so stuck in my head that I'm gonna ask in my dreams tonight. Like I feel like it's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_00

I love it. I mean it's scary, but it's also like Hopefully I don't wake up screaming.

SPEAKER_01

Wake the whole house up.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, this is the last story, and um I've loved all of these, but this one was really fun. Wow, this post is a golden oldie for sure, but even if it's late, here's my telling of attempt at this one. I had become aware that I was in a dream. At this point I was hovering in the air by a Ferris wheel talking to a young boy on the ride. I was having fun and the fair around us was full of happy people having a good time. I asked the boy what day it was, and our eye contact got super intense. I asked him again and he said Wednesday, with a little laugh in the middle of the word. And then the whole mood of the dream changed. Sensing the shift in mood and not trusting him, I asked again, what day is it? His eyes went completely white and milky and his smile shifted somehow. I felt pure rage coming from him. He screamed back Wednesday, or Thursday, does it matter? With his mouth opening unnaturally far at each word. He grinned at me afterwards with a smile that was suddenly too wide. I panicked and ran from the carnival. I dropped and let things in the dream wind back down. After a while I walked into a room whose only other occupant was an older, larger woman. She was wearing some kind of uniform. It almost looked like she delivered packages. The second I saw her, she gave me that same creepy, too wide smile from the opposite wall. She was leaning against it, staring at the door I had just walked through like she had been waiting for me. I blinked and she was right there in front of me, inches from where I was standing. She grabbed my shoulders with both hands and stared hard at my face. I felt an overwhelming urge like I knew what she wanted, so I asked again, what day is it? She started shaking me and screamed, Why do you keep asking that? over and over again as the color of her eyes drained away and the milky white haze gradually clouded them over. At this point, I was done. I pulled the ripcord and noped out of that. I've been turning the whole experience over in my mind all day, and these are my thoughts. One, I need to know more about what that was. The whole experience left me with feeling like, I don't know, kind of as if I had gotten too drunk, wandered into an alleyway, and some random person told me the meaning of life, and then I woke up and could remember everything that happened, but not what they said. Two, to know more I need more data. I've told most of my coworkers to try this and let me know what happens. I've also given them very strict instructions to not look it up online first, since I don't want them to be influenced by previous accounts from others. Do I kind of feel like an asshole ass Do I kind of feel like an asshole for telling them at all? Fuck. Do I kind of feel like an asshole for telling them without knowing what happened to me? Nah, that's science, baby.

SPEAKER_01

Oh my god. I would. I'd feel so guilty doing that to somebody.

SPEAKER_00

You're gonna Yeah, because well also what if you were one of those co-workers and you were like, yeah, I'll do it, and then like you got fucked up.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, that's not good. That one I thought was so interesting. I fucking be like in a coma or something.

SPEAKER_00

Bitch. Oh my god. I'd imagine they just like don't wake up. No, and they're asking what time it is and shit. And they're just being ripped from dream to dream to dream.

SPEAKER_01

Oh my god, I could I would just die.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, no. This one was really fun though. I mean, the creepy smile, like the unsettling too wide smile, freaks me the fuck out.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, that's serious. I think about that, those that movie also. I didn't see that movie, but I've seen like I didn't either like the trailers. That's like what I think about whenever you talk about it.

SPEAKER_00

Oh my god, that's a universal experience, I guess. But yeah, um, if you guys want to try it, by all means. But again, I mean I did include a story here where someone had some sleep paralysis after the fact, too, um, where she was lying next to her fiance and stuff. So just be weary. But um, if you can't lucid dream and you're good at it, I would recommend doing it because why the fuck not? I mean, if you can get yourself out of it, then just do it. But just be careful.

SPEAKER_01

Send us your stories.

SPEAKER_00

That's two filthy horrors podcast at gmail.com. Don't forget the podcast.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Close your eyes for just a second. Imagine shifting off to sleep in your own bed. Safe, warm, completely alone. But when your dream begins, you're not alone at all. Someone else is there. Not a random dream character that your brain invented. But a real person. And the strangest part. When you wake up, they remember it too. Tonight I'm gonna take you to the little space between science and the supernatural, where psychology meets the paranormal. Not only are we going to discuss what dreams are, but who else might be inside them? Is shared dreaming just a coincidence wrapped in wishful thinking? A trick of memory and suggestion? Or could two minds really meet somewhere beyond the waking world? I've noticed that every time it's my turn, my mouth is either like too dry or too full of sort of slava. Slava. We're assholes. I know I know. But I love it. Someone out there will get that joke, but anyway. Yeah. The shared dream phenomenon, also known as mutual dreaming, occurs when two or more individuals report having the same or remarkably similar dreams at the same time. A few characteristics of this are identical dreams, themed or overlapping dreams, and emotional synchronicity. Oh fuck, I thought for sure I was gonna fuck that word up.

SPEAKER_00

You did so good.

SPEAKER_01

I had a like, I was like, in my head right before I said it, I was like, you can do this. Um That's a hard word. Dude, Dylan, Dylan mispronounced the word recently, and I was like, I know a podcast that you would be good on. Like, if anything, I feel like we will be very well known for like just fucking up words that like literally everyone knows how to say, and we somehow fuck it up. We can talk, we can say big words all the time. As soon as you're recording us, we're gonna fuck it up. But it's a that's why you love us. Mm-hmm. Dreaming is one of the most common things humans have, in my opinion. We all dream even if we aren't remembering it. It's important to know that memory is not reliable, which can influence dreams, but also influence our memory of dreams. Our brains change details and memories every time we recall them. Isn't that crazy to think about?

SPEAKER_00

Like, I don't love that because I feel like I'm gaslighting myself.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, every time that you're like recalling a memory, you're it changes the details. That's why. I hate that.

SPEAKER_00

Like it's because I'm like, how am I supposed to trust myself?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, exactly. And I pissed me off. It's trust me a little bit, knowing like j it's every time. Like I thought I knew things changed, but I didn't realize it was like that often. Not only does our brain change details, it is also heavily influenced by our current emotions, which if you haven't guessed yet, will also change our memories. Our brains also tend to fill in gaps and memories with logical information, which isn't always exactly the truth. Which brings me to my next point. Suggestion is a very powerful tool when it comes to dreams. Our memories are not concrete, and we all know that dreams are fleeting. Quick to fade as soon as we come back to the wakescape. Ow, fuck.

SPEAKER_00

That was That was so fucking funny, dude. I'm so sorry. Are you okay?

unknown

Yes.

SPEAKER_01

I hit for people who can't see me, I hit my mic and then it hit me in the face. So I don't know how it happened. Oh my god, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_00

Funny. One time Megan was making me a box of mac and cheese and she was talking and she literally smacked herself in the face.

SPEAKER_01

So yeah. But some stories are hard to brush off. Mutual or identical dreams, for example. This is when two people report experiencing the same dream, location, or scenario at the same time, and it usually happens between people with deep emotional connections, like romantic relationships, family, or close friends. These dreams will have the same location, the same events, and are reported independently. I did find a cool example of this online and it states this is a a l a story. Not a lifter story, sorry. Just like a story that I found online. This happened to me and my mother a week ago. Apart from small details, we had the same identical dream. After an art exhibit exhibition, we were invited for dinner. Both elegant dressed, we attended. At our table was also a singer and a friend of ours. They were both named Sarah, but were different Sarah's depending on the dream. At some point, one of the kitchen staff members asked us to go check on something in the kitchen, so he excused us and followed the request. I went in a basement-like place, my mother and a weird cyclist rode, but in the end we both reached the kitchen. A small and abandoned one in a very big but obscure room made of bricks. There I found a lot of spiderwebs and then a huge and furry spider on top of the fridge. I'm an arachophobic and called for help to kill it. My mother found a lot of dust and called someone to help her clean. We both received help from the man who in the meantime chatted with us. And my mother's one, he was a friend of hers, and then the dream ended for us both. Really bizarre. Uh so that's the end of that story. I would agree this one fits the script for a mutual dream. There are a few differences, but there's also plenty of similarities. Like obviously they had different dreams, but there's so much similarity in it that it would be a mutual dream.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, but damn, why does that happen? Like that's scary. I know it's it's like you're connected by Bluetooth or something.

SPEAKER_01

It's really creepy, yeah. But uh, how do we begin to argue that this isn't a shared dream? I can understand some details could be swayed, but despite that, they both had the same type of dream and ended the same way. I wonder if they watched a movie together before this and could have been influenced how they dreamt. Could have influenced how they dreamt. Uh maybe. Like, yeah, so maybe I'm not saying it's not a shared dream still, but like maybe they both had a movie, like we're watching a movie together, and then or a TV show or something, and like something similar happened in it. I'm assuming not because I feel like they would have counted that in a story that they told us, but I don't know. But that's my only I like I always like to play devil's advocate, like what like what could have created similarities between shared dreams or like someone having similar dreams.

SPEAKER_00

The Sarah's thing did it for me. Like that's such a weird coincidence.

SPEAKER_01

That and then both of them having the same guy like help them.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, but in different situations. I would literally never stop talking about that. Like if that happened to me, I don't think I'd ever showed up about it. I'd be like, oh hey, fun fact.

SPEAKER_01

So I wanted to include it in here, but I can't remember the details. And I don't know if it's my memory or if like something's purposely cutting it off from me. But Ben and I had a shared dream one time, and neither of us can remember it now. But it happened. It was a couple of weeks, like two years ago. And and I don't remember anything about it now. But I it was a very weird, like it it fucked with me for a while that we shared like we were like in the dream together, like we talked to each other in the dream. And then he like asked me about it afterwards, and he was just you know, he he's young now, but he was younger then, and um the kids are very open and blunt about things. And he was like mom, he's like, Mommy, why why'd you say that in my dream? And then I was like, What the fuck? Because I remembered saying it in the dream in my dream.

SPEAKER_00

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, but I can't remember it now. I really wanted I tried so hard to remember it and I couldn't, so I didn't keep it in I didn't put my dream in the episode, but it it has happened to me and it's a very crazy experience. Damn. Damn. Another experience I found online states my uncle, brother, and I shared several dreams. We found this out by one of us talking about their dreams, and we all decide to write out the rest of what happened on a piece of paper and then come back and share. But it was all the same, or rather, same ex scene situation, people there may be different versions. Like if you asked five people to tell you about an event they were at, they all have slightly different stories, but they are still correct. And that's the end of that story. It was just a small little thing. I wanted to include this because I think it's interesting how they did their own family experiment, essentially.

SPEAKER_00

I was gonna say that. Like, could you imagine us all just like or like just a few of us sisters like writing down something and then discovering that it was too eerily similar?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. And I I wish that they would have included some of the dreams that they shared. Uh we should start dream tracking, I think, uh, to see if we share our dreams with each other or spouses. Like that'd be pretty cool.

SPEAKER_00

Dream Journal.

SPEAKER_01

Boston and Out. Something fun to note is that twins have a high report rate for shared dreams. Sometimes they're reported on the same night despite being across the country from one another. I did find a personal account on Reddit that states, My identical twin sister and I have this problem. We argue over who has this or that dream, andor like who certain memories belong to between us. This is a legitimate experience where we honestly have no discernment between who these event memories belong to of the two of us. So we ultimately just share all of our memories. It is almost like remote viewing of our childhood memories where we both remember seeing and experiencing the exact same thing from the first person perspective. I'm wondering if this is exclusive to us or if any other twins have had this unique experience for themselves. That blows my mind. I can't imagine waking up in a cold sweat and getting a text from my twin that I don't have stating that they jumped the same thing. I'd probably believe every single conspiracy theory for the rest of my life if I experienced that. Like I'd be like, like if you had that close connection with someone, I'd like could you imagine like being on different sides of the fucking world and just being like, hey, hey, did you see that dinosaur in your dream?

SPEAKER_00

That would be crazy, dude. That would be a nice way to bond, though, I guess. That's cute.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. And I have like heard other experiences of twins and stuff like that, but I haven't like jumped into that. So I covered it a little bit here, but I um it is something that I would love to study more and just kind of get in in depth with it. Yeah. Figure it out.

SPEAKER_00

It's fascinating.

SPEAKER_01

Mm-hmm. So, what can cause something like shared dreams?

SPEAKER_00

Yes, tell me. I'm not going to know.

SPEAKER_01

Emotional closeness and empathy. People with strong bonds, such as romantic partners, friends, and family members, are more likely to have shared dreams because they process similar emotions in life events. High empathy between individuals is also strongly linked to this phenomenon. Shared daily experiences. Similar high stress environments or common daily stressors like a pandemic or a shared trauma can cause people to have similar or identical dreams. Here's also parallel processing. It's when two people are intimately connected, they may independently process the same waking life information, leading to parallel dream narratives. Mutual influence and communication, uh, discussing dreams or sharing similar thoughts and experiences during the day can cause those themes to show up in both people's dreams. And psychological and cultural factors. Shared cultural environments, such as living through the same stressful events, can create similar dream imagery, which to me is the same as like shared shared daily experiences, but I was just it was another section that was explaining the the I guess, in a way, science behind this, like what like the psychological part of it, like why this could happen besides it just simply being some crazy out of this world experience.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

It is popular among couples to try having shared dream experience, whether they are sleeping in the same room or miles apart. It's important to discuss a meeting point beforehand to attempt this, and I believe would fall into lucid dreaming. So I didn't touch too much on it because I knew base on that. Yeah, I didn't touch base on it because I knew you were jumping into a little bit of lucid dreaming.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Um I would love to know if any of our listeners have experienced this or tried. Remember to send us your stories at twofilthyhorrspodcasts at gmail.com. And don't forget that podcast.

SPEAKER_00

Don't forget it.

SPEAKER_01

Have you ever heard of shared nightmares?

SPEAKER_00

Um no.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. I didn't I mean it makes sense dreams nightmares similar, but I never realized it was a thing until I was studying this, researching. Uh there's apparently been examples of children in the same household experiencing nightmare of the same monsters, people in the same home seeing the same shadow figures in their sleep.

SPEAKER_00

Oh god.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I can't help but ask, is it shared stress or shared space? Because they could be communicating telepathically or have experienced similar trauma that resulted in similar dreams. It's possible they talked beforehand, yeah, about something that brought up the same picture in their brand minds. So it I mean who who the fuck knows? Maybe it is telepathic link, like but also siblings. Yes, especially talking and stuff like that. Um you just never know. It's just um it's crazy to think about.

SPEAKER_00

It could also be ghosts too, especially if it's shadow figures.

SPEAKER_01

Yes.

SPEAKER_00

Or like you said, trauma, shared trauma can do that. Something bad going on in the home. That's just the way they're processing.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and I feel like have like especially like shadow figures type situation, because it's kind of like a blank space, so it would be more common for someone to dream like a figure that's faceless, essentially. Um that be looped into like shared dreams, but not actually be like a crazy situation, like it's just a I don't want to say coincidence, it's not the right word, but I can't think of the right word.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Um, I believe I'm pronouncing this uh experiment correctly, but if I'm not, uh don't come for me, or you can, but I'm not gonna not gonna listen. Let's talk about the Mamonides dream tele telep telepathy. There we go. Telepathy.

SPEAKER_00

I knew I was I knew it was gonna fucking close.

SPEAKER_01

I knew telepathy the telepathy experiments. Have you heard of them?

SPEAKER_00

I have not.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. This was a series of controversial parapsychology studies conducted in the 1960s through the early 1970s at the Maimonides Medical Center in Brooklyn, New York. This experiment was led primarily by psychiatrist Montague Ullman and psychologist Stanley Krippner. Their goal was to test whether telepathy, mind-to-mind communication could occur during dreams.

SPEAKER_00

Side note, I love the name Montague. I don't know why. I've always just loved it. It's such a badass name.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Mon Montaug. I'm just kidding. Monty. I love like that shortened Monty. When people are called Monty, I love it. Um, I don't know why. It just makes me so happy.

SPEAKER_00

He like came into Family Video when I worked there and he'd always bring in his little snake for me to see. Whoa! Whoa! Like his act like a little What are you doing? My god. Oh my god, his actual pet snake. Yeah, okay, whatever you call it these days.

SPEAKER_01

No, I'm just kidding, I'm kidding. What kind of do you know what kind of snake it was?

SPEAKER_00

No, I don't. He had a few of them. One like literally would he would just have on his neck, and then there was this little one that I would like just I'd I'd pet it.

SPEAKER_01

That's cute. Okay. The researchers believe that during sleep, especially REM sleep, the brain might be more receptive. The dreaming mind may bypass normal skepticism. Jesus, I almost fucked that word up too. If telepathy exists, dreams might be the easiest place to detect it. So they conducted the experiment in three steps. First, they started with the sender and the receiver. A sender would concentrate on a randomly selected image, which is was often artwork. The receiver would sleep in a monitored room connected to EEG equipment. The sender and receiver were in separate, isolated rooms. The second section of the experiment consisted of the REM monitoring. When the sleeping participant entered REM sleep, they were gently awakened and asked to describe their dream. And the researchers recorded everything. And third, they reviewed the results. After the session, independent judges compared dream reports to several possible target images. They ranked which image matched the dream best. If the dream corresponded closely to the actual target image, more often than chance would predict, researchers considered the potential evidence of telepathy. One of the most famous trials from this was an experiment that used Salvador Dolly's painting the persistence of memory. Some dream reports included melting or distorted objects, clocks or time references, and surreal landscapes. Researchers argued that these details matched the target image at above chance levels. Uh Ullman and Krippner reported several sessions produced this dis Lord have fucking mercy. Several sessions produced this this statistically significant results. Some participants appeared consistently successful. They claimed the findings supported the possibility of dream telepathy. The experience motherfucker, what is wrong with me? I don't even have a stutter, and as soon as I did it once, it's like it's staying with me. Stop figuring out the tea. The experiments were later published in the book Dream Telepathy in 1973 by Ullman and Krippner. So they yeah, they have it in a book if you anybody wants to check it out. This experiment is considered inconsistent and is highly debated in the scientific world today due to the small sample sizes, lack of strict controls, and other experiments that were unable to duplicate the results. So other scientists tried to do this as well and didn't have the same success rate. So they're they kind of were just saying that this is inconsistent. It's there, like you can read their research information, but it's not consistent.

SPEAKER_00

So Okay. Interesting.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Explanations for shared dreaming fall into two hard categories. There's psychological explanations, which is suggestion, memory distortion, emotional alignment, and cultural symbolism. Or there's the paranormal theories. Telepathy, collective unconscious, shared astral plane, and spiritual visitation.

SPEAKER_00

Ooh, those last two, the shared astral plane and the spiritual visitation. That sounds so fun.

SPEAKER_01

Yes. Uh I think it's all of them. LOL.

unknown

LOL.

SPEAKER_01

LOL. LOL. I just can't imagine being able to pinpoint a singular explanation for the different types of dreams and types of people dreaming. I think it's a very much situational thing. What do you think?

SPEAKER_00

I think it's pretty situational too. I probably lean more towards paranormal if I had to choose one just because it's fascinating like that. I mean it's b science is always fascinating too.

SPEAKER_01

Like we're a science household, but um It's it's super hard for me because I am very like, I mean, I went to school for psychology, so it's like I really want to dive into the psychology part of it, but also the paranormal stuff is so interesting too. So it's so hard for me. Like I I definitely think it's a mix of all of them. Like it's very hard for me to pinpoint one thing and just be like, no, it's this.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that makes sense too. Like you're educated. Also, how fucking fun that like Monty and his friend dedicated so much of their life to research. Like, I think it's so fascinating when people just do that. Like, they just go to work and they're like, Okay, you go in this room and you go in this one, and we're gonna hook you up to a machine, you're gonna sleep. And like they just like conduct these research experiments for a living. It's just so interesting because like nobody else can do that job.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, that's super cool. I've uh I always wanted to do stuff like that. Like, I um I've been completely obsessed with dreaming my entire life, so but while I was doing this, I realized that I probably should have saved this for a solo episode. Because I could have dived into it. Yeah, I was gonna say I could have dived a lot more into it, and I was trying to keep it, you know, a little bit shorter so it wasn't I didn't take up too much time. But that is all the research. Before you fall asleep tonight, think about who might be thinking of you. Because if shared dreaming is real, if even a fraction of these stories hold truth, then sleep is in solitary act, we've always believed it to be. It isn't just your mind wandering through random fragments of memory. It could be a doorway, a meeting place. A quiet space where two consciousnesses brush against each other in the dark. Maybe the unfamiliar hallway you keep walking down isn't unfamiliar at all. Maybe someone has also stood there too. Maybe someone's waiting at the end of it. And if you wake up tomorrow with a strange feeling that you weren't alone, if a friend texts you describing a place you swear you've seen before. If a face from your dream feels just a little too real, don't brush it off too quickly. Tonight when you close your eyes, pay attention. Notice the details, remember the colors. Listen for the footsteps that don't belong to you. Because the most unsettling part of shared dreaming isn't the idea that we can visit someone else's dream. It's the possibility that someone might be visiting yours. Sleep well. And if you see me in your dreams tonight, don't forget to say hello.

SPEAKER_00

And don't forget to ask what time it is.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. Let's spin the wheel. Who wants to find out what topic we have? You know, I think.

SPEAKER_00

Me, me, me, me, me.

SPEAKER_01

Okay.

unknown

Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_00

Have you ever like have you ever seen like the Shrek DVD in the very beginning where Donkey's going, me, me, me, me. That's literally why I do it. It's like a fucking vocal stim that I have. It's so funny. I spin in. So fucking.

SPEAKER_01

My god, why is it making us work so hard for aliens? Lore.

SPEAKER_00

It's edging us. Have we done?

SPEAKER_01

You said that so like serious. So like a matter of fact, like it's edging us.

SPEAKER_00

Oh my god, I'm really gonna pee soon.

SPEAKER_01

Did we have lore too recently or are we good to keep it?

SPEAKER_00

No. But we had lore episode 13. I did Ouija board, you did Leopard Chans. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Damn. If I would have known this next one would have been a good time to do Leopard Chans, lep leopcans.

SPEAKER_00

Oh yeah. It's okay though. That one comes out after. Okay. Same thing. Half for St. Paddy's. Make sure to tune in next week, and if you're enjoying the podcast, please make sure to give us a five-star rating on Spotify and Apple Podcasts.

SPEAKER_01

And don't forget to follow us on Facebook at TwoFilthy Horrors Podcasts and Instagram at TwoFilthy Horrors.

SPEAKER_00

If you have any dreams where you ask the time, or where you've where you've had shared experiences and dreams with others, please send in your stories at 2FilthyHorrors Podcast at gmail.com.

SPEAKER_01

Oh my god, I'm obsessed. Please do. Any like dream shit, send it to us. If you got it. Haunt it. Good night.