Avoiding Burnout: Essential Strategies for Entrepreneurs with Sue McLachlan

In this episode of the Her First Podcast, Joanna is joined by Sue McLoughlin, a Kajabi expert and digital nomad, to discuss the pressing issue of burnout among entrepreneurs. Sue shares her personal experiences with burnout, the importance of setting boundaries, and tailoring business strategies to one's own nature. The episode underscores the necessity of self-care, setting up sustainable business practices, and the pitfalls of trying to imitate others' success.

Sue is a Kajabi expert and strategist who’s been helping creators build and grow their online businesses since 2019. Sue’s all about making Kajabi work for you, from creating beautiful sites to simplifying your business so you can focus on what you love.

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01:30 Sue's Digital Nomad Journey

02:32 Understanding Burnout

02:54 Sue's Burnout Experience

04:16 Recovering from Burnout

07:45 The Importance of Setting Boundaries

09:57 Creating a Sustainable Business

21:37 Avoiding the Trap of Digital Consumerism

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Episode 082: Sue McLachlan
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Sue McLachlan: [00:00:00] There is no, despite what gurus tell us, there is no one right way. Doing a webinar isn't better than a challenge.

Doing a low ticket isn't better than high ticket. They're all different. They all have a place. Each of the different things and the different ways of teaching and launching and selling and promoting, if you're trying to push against your nature because you saw someone else doing it and they were really successful, that is the road to burnout because you're going to keep doing something that intrinsically doesn't feel good.

And we're doing this to get yourself more choices, not less. So if you find something and really love it, that's okay.


Joanna Newton: Hello and welcome back to the Her First Podcast. Today we're talking about burnout, something that a lot of entrepreneurs face and have to deal with on a regular basis. You may notice my co host Michelle, she's not with us today. She is traveling and going on a business retreat, but we will definitely have her back in the next [00:01:00] episode. Today we have a very special guest, Sue McLoughlin. Sue is a Kajabi expert and strategist who's been helping creators build and grow their online businesses since 2019. Sue's all about making Kajabi work for you from creating beautiful sites to simplifying your business so you can focus on what you love. She's also a digital nomad running her business from wherever she happens to be around the world. Welcome Sue. Happy to have you on today.

Sue McLachlan: Hey, thanks for having me, Joanna. I'm really excited to talk with you today.

Joanna Newton: So I know you're a digital nomad. Where in the world are you joining us from today?

Sue McLachlan: Today, I'm joining you from, uh, I don't know if it's the world's smallest hotel room in Japan, but it's a pretty tiny, um, hotel room in Japan. I'm here with my family. And, when I first started my business back in 2019, I did it with the goal of taking my kids. On holiday. And, um, we did it for the first time actually last year in Japan.

Now they're, older, older teenagers. Um, and yeah, we never ended up [00:02:00] having that, that holiday that I, saved up for because COVID hit and, you know, life happened. And so we eventually took it and now it's our annual tradition. So, um, so I'm back in Japan. My son is 22. He's flown over from Australia with his partner and my daughter is here and running my business.

whilst also, um, doing fun Japanese adventures and next week skiing. So yeah,

Joanna Newton: That's awesome. so much fun. That's the thing I look forward to is my daughter gets older, possible travels around the world, routing my business and living the more digital nomad life. today we're talking about burnout. We're talking about how you can get into it, how you get out of it and how it's really important for entrepreneurs to be aware of this and work on their mindset so that they can truly be successful. I know you had an experience with burnout. In the past that that really affected you in your business. Can you talk to me about that experience?

Sue McLachlan: yeah, absolutely. Like a lot of people, when I first started in this online business, I [00:03:00] created all the things. I couldn't decide what I wanted to do. I had a membership. I created courses, workshops, templates, all the things and, um, spent the first few years just really learning. I felt like I did a whole, you know, another degree in learning digital product businesses and wanted to try out all the things and went through that kind of throws spaghetti at the wall and see what sticks, phases was trying to learn Facebook ads and social media and, um, all of the things.

And, In 2022, I started kind of feeling really, really run down and just went, Oh, it's really tired. I've just worked really hard. I need a bit of a holiday, and didn't realize just how much I'd been working myself into the ground because it's that, The trap that it's really easy to, to fall into of, Oh, I'll just do this one next thing.

I'll just get through this next launch. Oh, I found such and such a strategy. I'll, I'll just try this. Oh, you know, so and so is doing low ticket products. Maybe I should do a low ticket product and, and have a program off the back end. All, all of the things. And [00:04:00] I went away for a trip at the beginning of 2023.

it was supposed to be a workcation to Bangkok and I got there and, Just got so tired, like, and eventually kind of went, maybe I don't need a work occasion. Maybe I need an actual vacation. and so I was in, Thailand and Cambodia for about a month and I decided to, to change gears and actually just take the time off.

I was like, Hey, I'm already here. I'm just going to take this time off. And relaxed, did a lot of sleeping, reading books, visiting temples, just, you know, actually having some rest. And with You know, trying to keep up with work while I was there, but I just was struggling a lot and eventually just went, all right, just stop trying to keep up, have an actual break, turn the computer off.

And when I got back to Australia, to work again, I really, really struggled. And I was like, Oh, maybe I'm just tired from. the holiday of doing not much. found that when I started to try and get myself back in, I just could not do it. Like I'm a really [00:05:00] driven person and it was incredibly frustrating.

I would turn my computer on and I just could not make myself do anything. Like I would, I would just sit there and then two hours go past and I'm like, I haven't even done anything. And, um, So I was like, Oh, I don't know, maybe, maybe I'm just, got sick when I was, like, I was using all these reasons to, to justify it.

And, after about six weeks of that, so at that point it had been 10 weeks of not working, I realized there was a bit more going on. And, did a lot of research and realized that maybe my, I'm feeling a bit tired and unmotivated. Wasn't, wasn't me being lazy. And it wasn't, something, you know, some problem.

I was just absolutely completely burnt out. had done too much for too long and my body was suffering from it. also at the age of perimenopause, which I am 100 percent sure is, um, contributed to all of the, you know, everything that went on hormonal changes and all of that kind of stuff. And, so instead of trying to fight it, I decided, all right, I'm going to make recovering my full time job.

[00:06:00] so I just decided to let things go and I cancelled a lot of things. I let my team go. I pretty much went on to, you know, essentially maintenance mode of my business. I was doing about maybe 10 percent of the work that I'd been doing previously. and just, rested. I walked every day. I did puzzles.

I listened to music, listened to audio books, just, really went, I'm just going to have to let this go. Because I was reading things from people saying that it took them like a year or two to recover from burnout. This isn't something that, you know, you can recover from with a long weekend, which had been my previous strategy.

So, that process took about four months, completely off. No social media, no emails. to my list, no, pretty much anything except for some client calls. I did keep my membership going in that time, which was a live call once a week. Basically, I only kept the things going that I felt gave me energy.

Anything that I felt was hard or draining, I had to drop. So it was a very humbling experience because like I said, as someone who's a generally really hard worker and a make shit happens [00:07:00] kind of person, it was, you know, it plays with your mind, when your mind just won't do the things that you want, 

Joanna Newton: I know I even, like if I'm toward the end of my work day and I'm staring at my computer and I can't make myself do that last task and it's just like, you know, for 10 minutes, messes with your head. You're just like, why can't I just send this email or, do this thing? And burnout is real. it's a real thing and I've heard lots of people talk about how, if you're going too hard.

Um, and you're, going nonstop and you're facing that burnout. If you don't take a break, your body will force you to take one, right? And for some people that manifests as burnout. For others, it can manifest as illnesses, physically ill or physically sick because your body, your brain, you need that break.

And I think as an entrepreneur, it's super hard to know when to stop. when you have a full time job, you have, decent full time job, you have PTO and you have days off and you have work hours. And even if you're a hard worker, easier to turn [00:08:00] it As an entrepreneur. Your business can be 24 seven in your head.

I was in a yoga class and like, brain started thinking about this new offer idea I have, right. It's like really hard to shut things off as an entrepreneur.

Sue McLachlan: Oh, it's so hard to shut things off and it's a blessing and a curse. Like, it's one of the reasons that we go into this because we are ideas people. We, you know, we have these great things that we can come up with. And it's sometimes I think a case of choosing what not to come up with, because it's really easy to chase all of the things and want to do all of the ideas.

you're so right about the, the time off. it feels like it's a luxury and it's. something that's just a given when you work. And I did a survey last year, to a group of entrepreneurs and more than half of them had taken no time off in the last 12 months. because, you know, you're always like, Oh, this one next thing, like, Oh, and especially if you're in this industry where a lot of people rely on things like launching, if you do a launch and you're expecting that to cover your income for the next three months, [00:09:00] for example, And it doesn't happen.

Something goes wrong in the launch. then that puts a lot of pressure on you. And if you were planning on, break as part of one of the benefits of, you know, the income from the launch, and then suddenly you can't, and you're exhausted from the launch, then it's like, no, no, I've got to do another launch or another thing.

And it's, it's, there's a lot of, um, chasing and putting that off. And I find, especially as female entrepreneurs, we tend to put ourselves last. And it's so easy to, to make our needs for rest the last thing that happens. It's kind of like, that's the bottom of the chain. 

Joanna Newton: We

know taking breaks is difficult, but we also know as entrepreneurs, our mindset. how our brains are working, how our brains are functioning are probably the most important thing. Like if our minds aren't right, can't serve our customers. We might be working around the clock doing things that aren't actually generating revenue. out on things that might not even be moving the needle. You know, how can

entrepreneurs make sure that they're putting [00:10:00] their mindset and putting themselves first and putting that need for rest on the top of their list?

Sue McLachlan: I think that's one of the biggest challenges actually, because even though I've gone through that process, it's like I have this lifelong training of work hard, like, built into my brain. So I've gone through burnout in 2023, recovered, spent 2024 becoming a digital nomad, thinking, yeah, I've got, this is the life, this is amazing.

And, Whilst it absolutely is, I've fallen back into the same patterns. I've come back into that overworking, doing too much. And I think it's a, it's a constant case of checking in. Like, we've got to have sort of some sort of barometers for ourselves for being realistic. am I just pushing and stretching for this one week to get through this one thing?

Or is it becoming a pattern? Because when you are constantly going, I'm just going to fit this in here and you're constantly. getting that sense that you're juggling and you're juggling too many things and something's going to fall. I think that's often a sign and it has been for me that that when you you feel like you're [00:11:00] dropping a lot of balls then maybe you need to to put them all down for a minute and and be like really choosy in which ones that you pick back up because you don't have to carry them all and it's a case of really reminding yourself.

I have reminders set into my calendar three months from now to be like Have you had any time off in the last, 12 weeks, like the last quarter? because even though I'm traveling and it feels like, you know, some people are like, Oh, your life's a perpetual holiday. It's not, I'm just location independent.

I'm still working. I'm just doing it in different places. and especially sometimes with traveling that adds a whole lot of extra stress, stress and pressure as well. So it's important to look at everything going on in your whole life and also not do things just because you see other people doing them.

Like that's a trap that's so easy to fall into when we see other people doing things on social media. But if you're a parent, if you have other commitments in your life, if you've got things that are going on in your life that may impact how much energy you have for your business, it's okay not to do [00:12:00] as much as another entrepreneur is doing.

You can leave the 5am starts from the bros, on Twitter, not necessarily have to follow that life that other people say, Hey, I'm doing this and, and I'm really successful because I'm doing this. It's all right to live your life and do the things in the way that works best for you.

Not just because someone else is doing it. 

Joanna Newton: It seems like a really great way to avoid burnout is to set yourself up in a way that is conducive to your lifestyle. the reality is it's so easy, right? To look at other entrepreneurs say, okay, I have to have a low ticket and a high ticket and this and this and all these funnels and all of these things.

And I run ads and I do this and I do this and I have a team and all of that. But if you think about one, what you want, like, what do you want your lifestyle to be? What makes sense for you and your business? What's the schedule that works for you actually work around it? And I think a lot of us who, most of us entrepreneurs like started off as like nine to five employees [00:13:00] and we're used to you know, doing what it takes to get the job done. if you translate that to entrepreneurship, There's never an end. You could always be doing more. You could always be making more money. You could always be offering more things. so you have to almost put the reins on yourself and say, okay, this is what I'm offering. This is my plan for this, this year. This is what my schedule looks like. I recently, end of 2024. I was feeling really meeting overloaded. I was just on calls. of the time and I felt like I had no time to work on my business cause I do client work, but then I also like do our business financials and pay our team and do all of that stuff as well. so coming into 2025, I was, I know I needed to do something a little differently. So I changed my schedule up. Like I blocked off, like these are the days I'm going to take client calls and these are the days I'm not going to take any calls and this is what I'm going to do. And it was really hard do.

And believe I was going to get all the work done because like, [00:14:00] how am I going to do it? Or how am I still going to sell enough? If I limit my sales call time, how am I going to get my client work done? If I limit my client call times, but it's working like I'm getting it all done not getting as burnt out because I'm not trying to take three discovery goals and three client calls and a team call on the same day I'm filming my podcast. I'm limiting

what I do in a day based on what works for me.

Sue McLachlan: yeah. And I think in, you know, the online space, it's easy to underestimate how draining some of those calls can be because you think, oh, it's just a call. But if you do back to back calls, that can really sap your energy. It actually takes more mental load, um, than you realize. But I'm so excited to hear that that's working for you and you are still getting everything done because it's that concept of constraints, right? If you put constraints around, your time, you have to get it done in that amount of time. And if you only have X number of hours, we find a way of fitting it in. 

Joanna Newton: the reality is our time as entrepreneurs is so, so precious. And one of [00:15:00] the things that I found as I was just had more boundaries with my time, people automatically higher. there's also this like

intrinsic effect when I'm not available 24 7, they realize that time has value because I'm not just like giving away to everybody for no reason.

I'm choosy with it because I have to be and if my business is going to get to the next level without me burning out or getting sick or being tired, I have to be choosy with how I spend my time. 

Sue McLachlan: I think one of the challenges that I've found and one of the reasons why, you know, I started slipping back into the burnout path is that I tend to not have the best. boundaries. I am someone who wants to help people. That's my, um, you know, it's one of my highest values, helping and, you know, being generous, but when it leans too far and when you don't have boundaries and you say yes to everyone and you want to do everything for everyone, then you're the, the one that unfortunately, you know, gets the least energy of it.

You give all your energy to [00:16:00] everyone else, but it's the remembering the, the old, you know, put your oxygen mask on first. Like you have to have those boundaries. It's not being mean to people or anything. It's protecting yourself so that you can be generous and so that you can serve really well. And that's my current, the lesson that I'm currently trying to really bed down and I'm really struggling with a little bit.

Joanna Newton: Somehow this is not the first time on this podcast that we've talked about that concept of putting on your own oxygen mask first before, is someone else's. I remember learning that I, the first time I ever flew, I was in like late high school, and I remember learning that and kind of being appalled.

I just, I remember having like an emotional reaction to realizing you're supposed to like give yourself oxygen before you help someone else. Cause I'm like, of course you should help the child first and then yourself make sure everybody else has what they need before you breathe. And one of the things that's so.

interesting to me when I could I fly with a young child, sometimes my daughter, the flight attendants [00:17:00] always look me in the eye like they make sure they get all the mother's attention and say you first. When they see her with a child, they don't do that to dads, which is really interesting.

Like I watch it happen and they go to all of the women with children and say, you first, first. Cause they have, I'm sure that's a mother, like a mother's instinct, a person's instinct is to say, okay, got to get, make sure my kid's okay. Then me. But if you're not okay, you can't help your kid. you're not okay,

you can't help your clients. If you're not okay, you can't help your team or any of the people in your life that rely on you. 

Sue McLachlan: It's kind of a constant reminder because it is that intrinsic nature not to do it. So it's a keeping on, you know, reminding yourself of it. And if you find that you're slipping and you are stopping, putting yourself first, it's okay to be like, all right, I'll do it.

let's get back on track. Let's, let's get back in the, you know, look after yourself first, and then you're gonna be able to, to help more people. But also you gotta remember to help yourself because, you know, one of the things that you, you touched on before is about that wanting to have all the [00:18:00] funnels and the low ticket and the this and, and the that.

but you know, the most important thing that you've gotta start with is you've gotta create something that. will generate income as soon as possible in your business. And you and I have talked about this a little bit before that a lot of people will spend months making a website before they've even got anything else.

And like having a way to generate income is the way that you'll get through anything. The only way that I was able to get through burnout and not work for four months is because I had income coming in from the work that I'd done before. And it's so, so crucial. And especially if you are someone who tends to be more on the wanting to help side like that, money side of thing can be really challenging.

It can be a little bit uncomfortable sometimes to, to focus on bringing in money. But when you're running a business, it is crucial to make sure that that business is generating enough revenue to keep itself going. The business needs its oxygen mask as well. 

Joanna Newton: having things like set up recurring revenue, whether that's like [00:19:00] affiliates or a membership or something like that, where money's kind of coming in on a regular basis really good and probably take the pressure off of you. You know that if you don't sell anything new one month, you have a certain amount of money coming in. One thing that practicing this year in my business is building up a reserve saving account, right? So that way, if we have a slow month or there's an unexpected expense or something like that, just like you have an emergency fund for your personal use, having like some cash for your business, right?

That can help you avoid burnout because. If you're tired, you can take a break because you know, okay, there's that money. If I don't sell anything this week, it's fine. You know what I mean? Like, I'll be fine. I think there's probably a lot business owners can do to set themselves up to not get that burnout, right?

If you're in burnout, you have to recover. Like you said, you have to take that time. Some people, it takes a year. Some people take a long time to get over. But [00:20:00] if you're experiencing it. need to take the time to recover. It might take more than a long weekend, you also need to be aware and do things to avoid it from happening in the first place.

Sue McLachlan: absolutely. But the, the recurring revenue aspect of it and setting things up where the things that you're doing are going to create your revenue now and into the future is really helpful. But that emergency fund, that is. It's crucial. And I think not only does it help prevent burnout, it helps you making really reactive decisions if something doesn't go right, which can get you on the path to burnout.

Because you know, when something doesn't go right, and especially when you, you start playing bigger and you know, 20, launches. make a massive impact on your business. if you don't have a contingency plan for that, that can be panic inducing. That can be so much stress on your mind and body, which then again, like can lead you on that path.

And, as entrepreneurs with no paid time off, no sick leave, none of [00:21:00] those things available to us, creating a safety net for yourself is so, so helpful and so important and can make the biggest difference for, even if you're not in business, even if you're just experiencing a tough time in business because things change, which they seem to be constantly changing.

Um, the way that people do things, the way people react to ads and all the things it's, it's like a roller coaster that we have to, to navigate. 

Joanna Newton: Definitely like being proactive about setting yourself up for success and the least amount of stress I think is really important. And one of the things that I see, we talk about the bro marketers and the people who are like, live your life this way.

I think there's a lot of pressure for entrepreneurs to Look super successful and have all of the expensive clothes and cars and watches and gadgets and when they travel to be traveling first class and, all of those things, but that doesn't always lead to a sustainable life, how can you save when you're trying to look really rich all of the time, [00:22:00] and living a more, a humble life and a simpler life can be really. something I'm trying to do this year is just to bring less stuff into my house. One, it's a waste of money. Two, clutter is stressful, but it can be so easy to get in this, like, because I can spend the money on it, to just spend it instead of thinking, okay, actually saving is the thing that's going to help me feel better. have less anxiety. Keep me from experiencing burnout where the newest gadget or trendy outfit isn't going to have that same effect on me. But it's so easy. Again, in this space, there's so much, pressure to look like you're living a certain lifestyle.

Sue McLachlan: Ah, for sure. There's, it's, it's constant and relentless and one of the things that I did which was the most helpful for my mental health during that time, is unsubscribed from a lot of, newsletters that I was on that I'd sort of got on in the beginning that had a lot of high pressure tactics. You [00:23:00] constantly end up feeling like you're not doing enough.

You're not being enough. Like you'll have success and you'll, find success for you. But then you see someone else is doing something, something else. You're like, Oh, but I need to be doing what they're doing. You know, got this nice bag or this outfit or that got a team. and in the online entrepreneur space, there's also a lot of pressure to, buy the next thing.

So I have, you know, not physical clutter being a digital nomad. I'm a little restricted in the, physical clutter. I have a lot of digital clutter. I have countless courses that I've never even probably opened past the first module. things that I've bought because it's seems like that's positioned as the thing that will change everything.

Like if I do this thing, if I learn how to do this strategy, this tactic, if I go down this path, and I've all got a course attached to them. So, um, there is a lot of, and a lot of them are, you know, in that real high pressure tactic world and you feel like I'm missing out if I'm not doing that.

But everyone's in this course, everyone said they did it and they're all successful. And, you know, I think it's, it's that pressure from everywhere. It's this, I think digital consumerism is just [00:24:00] as rampant as physical. So, 

I'm trying to declutter

Joanna Newton: Declutter the courses. What's

funny is I, I am not a course buyer, which is like funny that I'm in

this space. I never have been. but the number of people that I work with that I, you know, get on a call for the first time and I talk to them about helping them with their launch or their funnel or whatever it is, they're always like, start with, well, I took Amy Porterfield's course, or I took Brandon Burchard's course, people take courses, but. It's not enough to move them to action they invest in it But if you don't apply that knowledge and you're probably not applying that knowledge Because you don't have time because you're doing too much and you take too many courses, 

And you're like this one's gonna do it but if you don't do any of it not none of it's gonna

Do it 

Sue McLachlan: it's shocking how many, how many people go through that path. And honestly, I, I think some of the, the people in our industry encourage it. you know, they'll say, Oh, you've got to do this one. And then, Oh, well, since you've done this one, you have to do that one as well, because everyone [00:25:00] does both things.

And when that's, It's not true at all. a case of you don't have to do all the things just because you see other people doing all the things. And sometimes some of the entrepreneurs that are like, I've got a membership and I've got this and I've got a mentorship and a, you know, a coaching program, all the things don't often talk about that.

They have 10 people on their team and that they ask, you know, every month they have to bring that money in because they've got these huge expenses to go along with it. And sometimes the simple smaller business is actually more profitable and more sustainable than the business that's got to spend, you know, 20, 50 grand a month on ads just to keep the lights on because they have to keep so many people coming into their programs.

So I could go on a rant about this, but I'll.

Joanna Newton: know, there's so much good information out there, but it's like information and I know this is not what the podcast is about today. We're talking about burnout, but like, I think this is, you know, important because stress of all of the things that you should be doing or should be learning or courses you should be taking can all play a role into this.

So I think at the core of this, you know, you were talking about how if you don't get to the [00:26:00] core of the issue. of like why you're experiencing burnout, it's going to happen again, and you're going to repeat history. And I think some of the themes that we've gone through today make me, you know, really realize that understanding yourself, how you operate best, what brings you joy, what gives you energy, really trying to focus your life around Those things and not worrying about what everybody else is doing, but focus on what you love and what you enjoy. You're not going to be in the same danger as burnout. Something I love to do. I love doing audits. I love like auditing someone's site and like picking apart what set up right and what isn't like I could do that all day long and not feel burnt out. And then I love talking with someone through it and helping them have those light bulb moments of like, I could just do that, you know, and, and I think that my thing.

Someone else doing that would sound excruciating. And if they had to do that all day, they would be burnt out in two days, you know, and, and I think really knowing yourself and your [00:27:00] strengths and what you do best can really help you set yourself up for like a really enjoyable mentally, physically well life. 

Sue McLachlan: a hundred percent. And, we do this, we got into this and we left the nine to five jobs so we could do what we love. you know, lean into doing what you love because at the end of the day, it'll all work. There is no, despite what gurus tell us, there is no one right way. Doing a webinar isn't better than a challenge.

Doing a low ticket isn't better than high ticket. They're all different. They all have a place. Each of the different things and the different ways of teaching and launching and selling and promoting, if you're trying to push against your nature because you saw someone else doing it and they were really successful, that is the road to burnout because you're going to keep doing something that intrinsically doesn't feel good.

And we're doing this to get yourself more choices, not less. So if you find something and really love it, that's okay. When I first started, teaching Kajabi and, and went in and specialized on that, that felt so confronting. I was like, Oh, can I really get paid to do that? Because I [00:28:00] love doing that.

Like I was doing it for fun. And, um, it seemed such a weird concept that people would pay me for something that I just loved doing and loved nerding out on. and, you know, that's. That is, that is what we're trying to aim for. Like, you know, if you can do what you love and have fun doing it, and it helps people, and they're like, Great, I'm happy to help pay you because this is doing my head in.

That, I mean, that's the whole reason that we're doing this. So, you know, you don't have to keep battling against, you know, what is in your nature and what you enjoy, even if it's not what someone else enjoys. So, 

Joanna Newton: Such good I think it's so important an entrepreneur to come back to that. Remember that. Remember why you're doing this, why you wanted to do this in the first place and, and set yourself up for that. Now, Sue, I'd love for you to share with us if our listeners want to connect with you and your business and who you are, follow you on social, where can they find you?

Sue McLachlan: my website is the unicorn advisory.com. on socials, I'm the [00:29:00] Unicorn Advisory, and I also have a YouTube channel as well, which is, uh, youtube.com/at sue McLaughlin. Um, the links, I think you're gonna put into the show notes. So I've got lots of Kajabi tutorials and I have some free Kajabi landing page templates.

And, if you need some Kajabi Consulting in your life, then please feel free to, to contact. Me. 

Joanna Newton: Awesome. Well, I hope you all take a minute to check out the show notes, connect with Sue, um, learn more about her and all of the trainings and cool things that she has available. And if you enjoyed this episode, please share it with a friend, leave us a review, subscribe. We'd love for you to listen to the next one.

Thank you.