Unfiltered Christian Podcast

Ep 26 - Why Does God Allow Evil?

CeCe & Shay Episode 26

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We tackle the challenging question of why a good God allows evil and suffering in the world, exploring the tension between divine goodness and human freedom.

• Free will is essential for genuine love to exist—God gives us the freedom to choose good or evil
• Sin is sin in God's eyes—we shouldn't measure some sins as worse than others while minimizing our own
• Hurt people hurt people—many who cause harm are themselves crying out for love they've never received
• Instead of just praying for protection FROM harmful people, we should pray FOR their transformation
• Our struggles with patience and forgiveness reflect our ongoing journey toward Christ-like love
• God's apparent "inaction" is actually divine patience—giving everyone time for redemption
• We're called to be lights in darkness, even when we struggle with our own imperfections

Remember, Elohim isn't surprised by the evil in this world—He's patient, giving everyone time to turn to Him. Continue to pray for those who hurt others, recognizing that we all need His grace equally.


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Speaker 1:

Hey guys, welcome to Unfiltered Christian. I'm Shay. Cece.

Speaker 1:

And today it's my question. So tossed up between two questions here today, but let's roll with this one. Tough talk between two questions here today, but let's roll with this one. So why do you think I have to say why do you think? Because I was going to ask the question in general, but Maybe you can decide when I ask it whether it's an opinion thing or whether it's, um, a general answer that you can give. So why does a good god because we know god is good allow evil to happen or bad things to happen?

Speaker 3:

I can only answer this for myself that's what I was saying maybe some would agree, maybe some won't, so why does he allow bad stuff to happen within the world? For my personal, I've always had this question like sometimes you know, like when you see like hurricane or tsunamis, or you think that, like you know, y'all can stop it. You know we don't have to go through this, but unfortunately we were born into sin um through choice and our y'all gives us choice. He gives us choice, he gives us freedom. We can either do good or we can do bad and unfortunately, due to life experiences, whatever people may be going through, they choose to do bad things. And until what's the word I'm looking for? Until what's the word I'm looking for? Until he comes back again, when everybody finds out who he is, then that will be done no more with. But it does hurt to see loved ones dying, see people around the world like starvation, wars, world traumas, and I believe that he's hurting as well side question or follow up question should I say do you think that?

Speaker 3:

and one thing that I would say, like Yaa doesn't force us to do good. Love must be chosen freely, even though freedom allows us. And one thing that I would say, like y'all, doesn't force us to do good Love must be chosen freely, even though freedom allows us to do wrong, but there's consequences for our actions.

Speaker 1:

So do you think there's anything that we can do then to help what's happening? Do you think any of our efforts can contribute to helping those things or stopping those things from happening?

Speaker 3:

most definitely I will. I will use um. I only know the south african word here because I've got apartheid in my head. However, let's use Martin Luther King. Dr Martin Luther King, he grew up in oppression. If he didn't fought, because he fought with peace. Yeah, he didn't fight back with love for black people to get to where they are today, even though it doesn't seem like we got too far. But he had a dream that one day, little black boys and little black girls would be playing together and laughing together. If he didn't march and if he didn't do all of those things out of love. Not fighting, that was one of his things that he said. When we're marching, we're not going to fight. If they attack us, if they let dogs after us, we're not gonna fight back.

Speaker 3:

We're gonna do this to show that this is peace and I think if we continue with how y'all has trained us to be, which is to be loving and kind, and you know the narrow path is not easy. He said that we'll be prosecuted for his namesake, and we're aware of this. So if we was all meant to come together, not turn a blind eye, like especially the world that we live in now, the world that we live in now is very self. It's like oh, that's not my child, that's not my problem, turn the other cheek, um, and I think that's why the world is getting how it is today. However, with with that being said, we know that it's going to get worse before he comes, so I don't know.

Speaker 1:

Yeah the reason why I like this question both of them is because I feel like there's a lot of people, whether Christian or not, that struggle with these questions. I feel like there's a lot of people that feel like, why do bad things happen? Like if there is a God? You know, like you hear that question a lot like if there really is a God, why are all these things happening? Yeah, um, and I don't think I've ever thought that question, but I've always thought that like, um, not if there is a God cause, I've always known there is one. But it's like, why do these things actually like happen and stuff? But it, it, it has to come in time of your relationship with him? Um, and then I, I finally accepted that, okay, this is written in the word. These are the things that has been prophesied. And you know, from sin, when sin started in the world, from the beginning, in the Garden of Eden, from that point forth, we would have different types of turmoil. So I think that's where I became more at peace with things.

Speaker 1:

I think where I still struggle is because I know that I don't pray about stuff as much, cause I'm like well, like God said, it's going to happen. Right, you know, like, so I don't really pray about, cause I don't know what to pray. Do you know what I mean? Cause it's like do I am I praying to stop it? Um, to stop it? Um, do I pray for peace? Um, it's like sometimes, depending on the situation, like you don't know what to pray for, um, and I'm trying, sometimes I do, and sometimes I don't know what to pray for. So I feel like I don't focus on those world issues enough, because I just feel like I know that Elohim said that this is inevitable, like these things are going to happen. We are going to have these things. Obviously, like you said, it's very sad to see people losing their life in such a horrible way. Sometimes, and even now there's this whole thing happening back home in my country. Um, in regards to to be honest, I don't even really know the story properly the little girl that was killed, the little girl, yeah, I don't really know because I'm not on socials to even see it, but someone told me about it and it's causing riots and all these things and I don't know.

Speaker 1:

Sometimes I feel desensitized because it's just hard to process, um, even as a Christian, and trying to think like you know, you know there's going to be better, um, but in the, in, the in the moment of everything happening, sometimes you just don't know how to process. Well, I don't know how to process it at times, um, and it is tough and I just feel like, um, I get it for all those who are just like. You know why. But the why part, I'm past that why part, because you know we are in a sinful world, we're born into a sinful world. Um, we ourselves are the ones that sinning and choosing to sin, um, and that is why the sin just intensifies.

Speaker 1:

Um, I would say, and uh, the things that people are doing behind closed doors.

Speaker 1:

It's not even just what you're seeing, but it's the things you can't see. That's even more dangerous as well. You don't know what people are cooking up literally behind the doors, and that's the tough part. You know there's a spiritual world out there that we literally cannot see, and it is a warfare and there's a fight, um, and that's why things are happening and um, it's just about feeding your spirit and educating yourself in the word and um, having that understanding. But I did see that question come up, like in a um podcast that I listened to. Um, it's a bible study and she was just saying, like you know, it came up in a scripture that she was reading and she was just like it doesn't mean we don't pray, and I felt like that was a check for myself, like it doesn't mean you don't pray about it. It doesn't mean you don't give it to God and, like you said, he is hurting. But for me sometimes it's just trying to find the words of what to pray.

Speaker 3:

I also like it's so funny that you said that, because this week I've been intrigued about I can't remember what it's called, but it's the temple where people, where Muslims, go to in Saudi and they walk around. They have like a religious ceremony and I googled if any Christians live there and they said Christians do live there, but it's very dangerous for Christians. They're not allowed to like even carry a bible or they're not allowed to be even seen worshiping because it could be like a prison sentence because it's a muslim country and so there you don't have freedom like people have to. You know, worship in secret without being caught. And it brings me just to like if y'all stopped every bad thing instantly, you would have to override human choices completely and that would mean like no free will.

Speaker 3:

But love can't exist without freedom. Y'all allows people to choose, because we all have a choice, even when choices hurt others. Because his goal is not control but transformation. Through our relationship, which you said. Like having a relationship with him, we are transformed. Like sometimes you hear so many people give their testimonies that you know they were a murderer, they was this, they was that, they did this to people that, to people like now. They wouldn't even hurt a fly.

Speaker 3:

And sometimes that YAH intervenes when we don't even realise it. Other times we see miracles when things was meant to go left like he intervenes. So he does intervene, but it's not all the time, because then we won't have freedom of choice and sometimes there's silence. You know, there's many times we pray for things and they're silence but, his word says he's always working behind the scenes, even when we can't see the full picture. Delay, delay. Justice isn't denied justice. He has an appointed time for everything and then one thing that I was reading the other day.

Speaker 3:

Um, because I've been reading about hurt um in revelation 21 4. Um it promised a day is coming when he will wipe away every tear from our eyes and death and pain and evil will be no more. Right now we live in tensions between yas patience, giving people time to turn to him, and his coming judgment yeah it's funny.

Speaker 1:

It's funny.

Speaker 3:

You brought that up actually because it triggered something that I've been reading um oh, before you say that point, another thing is one thing that we, you can ask yourself to all of those who say like why do bad things happen? Y'all could have saved his child from dying on the cross, but he didn't um so, when we look at certain things, that he had to watch his son get beaten and knelt to the cross and all of that he could have stopped that right, right, but that sacrifice was made for us.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, right, um, uh, don't know if I've lost my train of thought ever so slightly, but it was what you were saying. In regards to, um, the people who are, well, I can't say, let me not say that, let me rephrase that, because all of us are sinners. A sin's a sin, um, but um, I was doing a reading with little man and, um, I learned a lot from his reading. You know, sometimes it hits harder than what, what? I'm trying to read the scripture, but he was talking about what a heathen is. Like explaining what a heathen is.

Speaker 1:

I was like oh, you know, and like simplifying it in a child's version and which I liked because it just was nice, but then also talking about the fact that God loves those heathens yeah, he still loved those heathens just as much as he loves every, you know everyone else. He loves all his children and, um, I don't know like I know that right, I do know this, but just hearing it said in that way, sometimes the way something is phrased to you can hit different I think we don't know it.

Speaker 3:

I think you know we was brought up because, again, like your household, culture and stuff has taught you different. It's like that's a good point yeah, you know, like when, if somebody murdered somebody or did something horrible, like if they got beaten up or if they got that, we'll be like yeah, good, you deserve it. Like the bible even talks about that. The bible says that we shouldn't even be doing that.

Speaker 1:

Um, it's true I need to find that text.

Speaker 3:

So we have to. We're unconditioning our mind yeah, so it's like we're trapped between like, oh good, or or like. You know, when you hear people say um, um, like we have a, we have a a gentleman in our church. His son was murdered and he was basically saying that he wanted to love the boy and many people will look at him like why would you want to do that?

Speaker 1:

he murdered your son, but that is how y'all wants us to be yeah, that struck a chord for me, um as well, because I realized today that I'm not setting a good, a good example for my son in regards to the way I react to situations. I'm not because he's been small for so long. He's now at the stage where he is sponging things more Like, so he is soaking in things much more easier and quicker than I have been prepared for, than I have been prepared for. So, like you know, before I could have conversations around him and it was cool because he wasn't picking up everything. It was more like physical actions and stuff that he was watching. And now it's like what he's hearing me and like now.

Speaker 3:

I saw him. You think he's watching tv, but he's listening you know what I mean.

Speaker 1:

No, but it's like no, but I know I am wrong. I am wrong I'll admit to my sins because I was having that conversation in front of him, because I was talking to somebody in the bus right and, um, I just saw that he he's now getting off company. He's basically complaining the way I'm complaining and I'm like I'm wrong. And then I'm trying to tell him, like you're listening to grown-ups conversation, but I'm wrong, do you know I mean? So how am I telling him not to complain that way when I'm complaining? Do you understand what I'm saying?

Speaker 1:

And I should have set an example, to be like, because basically we had a bus driver and we've had her two days in a row and she has been reckless, like for a bus driver, like she's doing the most, um, and in the moment of yesterday when I got on the bus with her, I should have just done what I did more than once, because she was doing a lot of things. That was just like really strange. She's shouting at people in the bus, she's shouting at people's kids, like she was doing some stuff that I was just like wait this, this is too much for the morning and she made us late yesterday because of like all this back and forth she was doing with people, um, and we were late for our next part of the journey because of all of that, because of all the delays on the bus. But I was constantly complaining and there was only one point in that journey that I said God, whatever she's going through, please be with her. And it's like that's the mindset I should have had throughout the whole time, not the complaining part. So now he's picked up the negative instead of the positive, right, so he was complaining with you, exactly.

Speaker 1:

So now a man's getting off the bus today going oh my gosh, that bus driver driver, she's so rude, we should call the police on her. And I'm like, whoa, calm down, like you know kids, and I'm just like, no way, no shade, this was wrong, this was wrong, you know. And now I'm gonna have to like after now, even doing this recording right now, I'm gonna now have to have a conversation with him later and explain that mommy was wrong. I should have not been doing that, because she's still God's child and I don't know why she is the way she is, but it's not correct for me to be participating in talking about her and that's a bad example I set for you, and I'm gonna say that straight because it wasn't correct and I'm not perfect and he has to know and, um, you know it's.

Speaker 1:

It's just remembering that, like, like, like what we're saying here, no matter what people are doing, I'm also a sinner and I, trust me, I'm saying this. It's hard for me to say it because, trust me, that lady got my nerves. She really did, um, she honestly like I'm just ooh, but it's, it's just, I have to digress. I have to digress because, at the end of the day, I could, I could be doing stuff that's getting on people's nerves too, and I don't even know it. Um, and it's not my place.

Speaker 3:

That's what I was going to say. I was going to say it's our lifestyle and the way how we are. People could sponge and think things just the same way how children can. Yeah, our lifestyle and our walk should always represent y'all. It's hard.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, but you know, I always remember. Yeah, um, but you know, like somebody that I always remember, um, carol from church said to me because I used to have bad road rage. But she was saying to me imagine one day, like you're shouting at somebody, even I'm not whining down my window, but I'll be like yeah, and she's like. Imagine if one day, like, that person comes in on sabbath like as a visitor, and that's always stuck with me yeah, I've never thought about that, you know, I've never thought about that.

Speaker 1:

That's actually a good point. There's a, there's a very I love that. That's gonna stick with me. That is gonna stick with me. And you know what?

Speaker 1:

I have had incidents where I've come across people in the most strange situations, like, especially recently, like I'll see them, and I'm like, oh my gosh, do you know what I mean? Um, I even saw, I saw someone. I was at a bus stop and I literally saw like two members of like the church just driving past the bus stop and I was on the phone going no, no, no, do you know what I mean? And imagine if I was there at the bus stop just being reckless, like talking completely out of character, right, yeah, and that's what I said to the person on the phone. I was thinking what is the odds that I would see those people driving past me? I didn't even know they were there, didn't even have to wind down the window, I couldn't see they could have just thought, oh my gosh, like, imagine this is the person I see every week and look at her in the weekday. Do you know what I'm saying? Like she is different.

Speaker 1:

Um, you know, and like, like you said, we are a reflection, we are a light.

Speaker 1:

Um, we are a light and I have to keep reminding myself of that and I feel like these days, um, I need to pray about my peace because I feel like I've lost my peace and I feel like that is old characteristics I'm seeing of myself and I don't like it.

Speaker 1:

I don't like it and I really do thank Elohim that I'm recognizing that, because the old me would not have, but it's, it's agitated me because I'm like, I'm disappointed in myself because I feel like I've come so far and I'm allowing these old characteristics to come out and I and I don't, I really don't like it. I really need to pray about it because it's just I don't know if we've spiraled from the subject here, but, um, it's just not correct because I'm I'm always praying to be a light and to be the right example for others, forgetting that there's someone right in front of my face looking at me every day. So, even when we are seeing people doing what they're doing, we need, like you said, it's hard, but we really need to work hard at trying to be that light in this world of darkness yeah, because I feel like a lot like quote, unquote, bad people.

Speaker 3:

We're gonna put it in quotations yeah a lot of them don't have love, like when you watch documentaries or you hear things you know they didn't have love. That they look. They look for it in the the wrong places yeah and you know, hurt people, hurt people like people hurt people and all they want is love and if we, as y'all's children, like love on them.

Speaker 3:

They can be loved too don't give up on them because sometimes you know whoever those people are. Maybe their families had enough, um. But then there's people around you know y'all use us in ways that we don't even know, like brings people to you that you don't even know you know, and it's for us to help them, because I was watching a documentary.

Speaker 3:

I like a lot of murder shows, I do and I was watching one woman who's doing life and she helped her ex-boyfriend kill her cousin because she had to it was either he was going to kill her children or she had to help and he dug holes for her children to say, if you don't help me do this, and sorry if this is too much information for people, but it's just certain things like that. Now you've got a lot of people that, like a lot of her family's, turned against her to be like how could you kill your cousin for your boyfriend Not knowing the implication? Because she didn't and because they're Spanish, you know like they believe in loyalty.

Speaker 3:

So, it's only when she couldn't talk because she was her husband. Well, her partner was in a mafia gang and she couldn't talk because her children will get hurt and it's only now that years has gone by, she's talking about it but her family feel like you killed your cousin.

Speaker 1:

You chose your partner over your family and you know they still feel that way, even though she's now confessed. I don't, they didn't talk about that.

Speaker 3:

Because she didn't talk about that, okay, yeah, okay but it's just I was just using that as an example that sometimes people are put in situations and they're just labeled as a bad person yeah um, but their hands was tied. And even if their hands wasn't tied. You know, like I always say like let's use r kelly, um, he's in prison. We don't know like there's so many people that saying he's a pedophile, he's this, he's that and yes, he's.

Speaker 3:

He's now paying for what he's, what he's always done yeah but we don't know if he's got on his knees and said, yeah, forgive me, and then yas forgiven him, but still people on that he's been condemned, yeah yeah

Speaker 1:

someone said that to me the other day, actually even regards to him, um, and once again I didn't respond very christian like to that oh, lord got a lot of work to do.

Speaker 1:

Um, because they were saying that to me as well, like you know, because you know they said that he's brought out these gospel songs and stuff, and like she was like, oh, have you heard it? It's quite nice. And I'm like, yeah, I don't know, I wasn't like I guess I was negative, but I wasn't. I wasn't like I wasn't going hard on him or anything. I was like I'm not sure, but like you know, but she actually came to me and said, first, you know, what I should have been thinking in the first place is that you know, you don't know what he's, what he's repented and he's asked for forgiveness and like a lot of people genuinely feel these songs that he's putting out is because he has repented, um, you know that he has turned his life around, but I just yeah, I just yeah, I need to. There's work to be done. I'm not perfect. There's a lot of work for us.

Speaker 1:

At the back of my head, I still feel like, yeah, but there's a but for me, you know, and that's just me being honest, just being honest.

Speaker 3:

And in our last podcast, yeah, when we spoke about the things that you're coming back for, they're up there too, so do you know what? I mean. Like we don't think of it like that, like we look at murderers, rapists and all of them. We put them on a higher level, but then what we're doing behind closed doors is just as bad.

Speaker 1:

I think I need to walk in more humility. I don't think I walk in enough humility because, like you said, like that takes I think for me what you've said takes humility, like if we all really walk in humility, we'd really realize that you are on the same level as those people. Yeah, and it's like it's because the world has, um, measured sin. Yeah, so, because the world has measured sin, we now have to undo that mindset to be like, yeah, oh, my gosh, how could you do that to me? But it's like, well, you know, you you're on the same level. Um, yeah, so I think it's that whole thing of like we, we still need to work on not measuring sin, to be like, yeah, that is worse, like I would have never done that.

Speaker 1:

And it's like, and I still, I think I still struggle with that the fact that, like, even though you know what the bible says and you know that elohim said this, like you know, knowing something and processing something and believing it is two different things. It is two different things. And I realized that I'm at a stage where, okay, I have knowledge, which I've prayed for for so long, but I have not prayed for, I guess, acceptance of this information. Yeah, um, or I'm not walking in our faith of it, whatever, whatever that specific word is, or it could be numerous words at this point, but I have not like taken that in for real, that he has said it and I've lost my train of thought. I don't think I should continue that sentence. My brain just left.

Speaker 3:

We all deserve forgiveness, we want to be forgiven. So, despite what people have done, we need to forgive. Because you made me think about that. I don't know what colour she was, but there was a story many years ago about a British woman who went over to the jihad, I believe, and she had children out there and they were basically, I think.

Speaker 1:

I heard about her.

Speaker 3:

Calls it like part of the al-Qaeda. That's the only thing I know it's not al-Qaeda, but you know she wanted to come back, Like she had a miscarriage, she's lost children. She wanted to come back Like she had a miscarriage, she's lost children and she wanted to come back and they revoked her British rights and a lot of people were saying, oh, it's good she knew what she was doing. Like don't bring her back because they were scared of her coming back, just in case she tried to recruit other people. Or like brainwashed her.

Speaker 3:

But she was in a refugee camp, brainwashed her, but she was in a refugee camp and in that moment I thought to myself wow, are we really like saying life doesn't exist because, yeah, she made the choice. But now she's saying I don't want to live that choice. But people's like no, no, no, stay where you are. But if that was our family member or somebody we wouldn't. Or?

Speaker 3:

even we wouldn't, want that and it just made me think like wow, um, this is the world that we live in. But again, y'all gave us freedom of choice, and I think freedom of choice is difficult, because we can choose either to be good or be bad.

Speaker 3:

But unfortunately, when bad comes yes, we are hurt we are also called to forgive at the same time, and when I was younger and I used to like I said I like watching these murder shows and I used to see so many mothers saying I forgive you or going to visit the person who killed their son or daughter in prison, yeah. I used to be like she's crazy, but now I get it. Mm.

Speaker 1:

I feel like that church member that you're talking about that also said that he loved, like he has love for those. Oh, he wanted to show love to those boys, sorry that killed his son. Oh, boy, I pray to get to that point before Elohim comes back, like this is the time we need to be that way now, like I really do, because that is a lot, that is a lot and I feel like it's a lot of us can say like, yeah, do you know? How? Would you know? Some people might come and say like, yeah, I can do that. Until it happens to you.

Speaker 3:

Then you'll really see if you can do that but I think it's also the thing is that we don't deny our emotions. We do what is correct, you know because, okay so, that's, that's a, that's a good subject, there's a balance, okay so, because it's kind of like I feel like if you lost somebody tragically by somebody else, you're hurt like that person has taken away my child, my auntie, my sister, my best friend, whoever it is.

Speaker 3:

However, when you have a strong relationship with God, yeah, you're going to question the why's, the what, the whatever. But it's about because you're praying and you're praying for the person who did what they did and who did what they did. It's kind of like you could see, because even with him, when I went to a church thing, he was saying that when he was in court and the boy was laughing at the fact of his son wasn't going to come back, like he said that he felt like he was angry, that he wasn't getting angry because he should get angry as a father, but he just saw her.

Speaker 3:

Okay, good, okay, good, that's why I was gonna ask and he saw like her and a lost, a lost boy that just needed love. And we also know that we fight against spirits and principalities. So, while we're also seeing like, oh yeah, you know, he's not seeing flesh, he's seeing like there's a spirit in this young man.

Speaker 1:

There's a spirit there, right.

Speaker 1:

Because that's exactly what I was going to ask. That's what I was going to ask Because, in that moment that you're having this humility, yeah, are you saying to me that you're not going to feel anger, you're not going to feel hurt, you're not going to feel frustration? Because that's where I feel like I struggle, because people make you feel like you can't feel those other things. Yeah, like you're not meant to, you should just be like this person. That's just so perfect. Like you know, like I forgive them, it's fine, like I'm okay. Do you know what I mean? And it's like no one speaks of the reality of it. Like, like you said, all those other things.

Speaker 1:

So I can still come in the end with humility. Like, um, the person you're speaking about now, to be like you know what actually? Like I, actually I did, I'm hurt and I'm angry, I'm annoyed, like I can't believe this person is laughing, but then he's like raw. I see beyond that. Because of his relationship with elohim, he can see there's a spirit there, like there's something not right, do you understand, um? And then he can have that humility to be like wow, I wish I could show that person love. I had another question, though, in regards to this love. You know when you can see someone is hurting and, like you said, they hurt people, hurt people. So they're hurting people because they're also hurt, right? What do you do when the love you show is not working?

Speaker 3:

Continue to pray, because only y'all Can move them. You know, like we ourselves, when we're unconditioning ourselves, or whatever years of work, that we have to do. It didn't take us a day, a week, a month, some of us, you know we're still walking with y'all, but we're still struggling with whatever it is so sometimes we look at other people and we compare ourselves like, oh, I got through that within blah, blah, blah, so you know why can't they get through it? We, we begin to like give them a monitor and that is a time scale yeah yeah, and that is where we go wrong and

Speaker 3:

we can just pray for that person because only y'all can help them. Maybe they're not ready yet, maybe they're not like, we're all on different levels, we're all on yeah with y'all, and maybe they're not there where, if that person is hurting you or whatever it could be, maybe they like, because sometimes you know, like we use the analogy of the radiator vacuum, like we will say the radiator is hot, but you don't know it's hot until you, you touch it, and maybe they haven't been touched yet for them to get why they're hurting you or why. But you just gotta continue to pray.

Speaker 1:

That's deep, no, don't roll over that. That was deep. Do not roll over that. That hit. Maybe they have not been touched yet. Whoa, that hit me hard. That hit me hard. I didn't mean to have one of those podcast moments, but that was, that was a gem right there. That hit me. What jeez, guys, if you don't get a word today, that was it because that was a word for me. Honey, that hit me hard. Okay, sorry, sorry, sorry, that was deep, that was so good. Wow, wow.

Speaker 3:

Because we all have to be touched for us to change Amen. We just don't change. You know it could be a person, a thing, a situation, like I use myself, like my like, as I said, my sister's passed away. I wasn't talking to my dad. It had to take my sister passing for me and my dad to be talking once a week. That's not normal. I haven't spoken to the man in five years, but my sister's death has touched me.

Speaker 1:

It's moved me and I know that was tough for you, because that's definitely not a decision you would have taken before- yeah it would have been too much for you and like no, I'm good not doing that. No, no, no, this is too regular, even in this moment now. You did struggle with it being regular, but you're more receptive than you would have been.

Speaker 3:

And again, that's constant prayer yeah we need to be real lord. I feel uncomfortable, but you know this is your way and I wait, yeah, I want you to mold me. We need to be honest, I think a lot of us is like we pray for things and then, like you know, like, oh lord, help me, may my enemies forgive me the next minute. Your enemies are turning up at your door, like or like, and you think, oh, what's this?

Speaker 3:

yeah yeah, yeah, for real, and you know we need to pray that. When we pray those things, how do I do with it? Because I'm still hurt here yeah, I agree, and you know like we need to also not paint the person with the same brush, the brush that they kept hurting us with. You know, sometimes we need to ask the lord for a new brush, a brand new brush that, that they don't have nothing because we could see something.

Speaker 3:

And then we're all pinning the dots to how old they were, the old them and we don't like when people do that to us. So we shouldn't do that to them yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1:

I agree with that because I I noticed that recently, like there was a situation that I then, like a testimony, I told people about and I noticed a negative like comment every time because of the old situation, which I understand, but you know, it was that like it was the how to describe it without sounding like I don't want to sound like a hypocrite here, but I think the easiest way I can say it's like you know, like the, the people who know Elohim and kind of know this, I would have hoped for a different reaction, if that makes sense. Um, not expect, because I think that's the incorrect word. I think, like sometimes we say expect because we think everyone's perfect, right, um, I would have hoped for a different reaction and so, like I've realized that, like, sometimes we really do paint everyone with the same brush, um and the like the yaki said the old brush, and it could be there could be a new one, and we're still painting them with the old one. But I asked that previous question for myself because, yeah, I needed an answer for that.

Speaker 3:

And he came through.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, like the prayer, right. And then also I needed that word in regards to keep praying, because I was honest with Elohim recently and I was like you know what? I'm not really praying honest enough because I can hear the words I'm saying and I know what I'm feeling, what I'm feeling. So I'm in the middle of prayer, praying these words, because I'm trying to just not be negative or not be frustrated, and I'm really trying to to just hold it together. But then it's like sometimes that was the point, because he knows right, like with other people you can do that, that's fine, um, but the one person I need to be doing that with I'm not doing that with and like I said it to him and I said to him why I couldn't as well, and that's important and I was like to be honest. I just don't want to say it to you because I just don't want you to be more disappointed than you already are.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

You know, but who are we to tell God what he's?

Speaker 3:

doing and how he feels. You know, and I think that's another thing I think if he, if he was tired of us, he would have ended this world time ago.

Speaker 1:

True, truth, like you said in it, he's being patient. It's so funny you went to that um scripture because I think that was paraphrased in the reading I was doing with little man as well, because it did say that like um, you know, he's being patient with us. Um, not like he's not something. It said not like, not like he's not fed up or whatever. But did it say that not fed up? No, I don't think that's the correct word.

Speaker 3:

But he sees our heart that's one thing that he sees, Even if, like I, could be the baddest person, but behind closed doors I'm a mouse he sees what the other people are just seeing the Hulk For real and I think, because he's given us to go back to what we were talking about, like all the madness and the chaos in the world.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, because he's given us choice some of us do that he, like you know, imagine if he just meant to stop the world, then that person wouldn't have the time to to find themselves and to find the self, because nobody was just started off on badness, nobody came out in the room with guns and, and you know I mean like it's our environment that has shaped us and when you listen to half of these people, imagine if we didn't, even if if we lived in a world where you didn't even get a second chance.

Speaker 3:

You're just judged on whoever and you're like, no, no, no. Actually I want to change and this is what I love about y'all that he's so forgiving, he gives us time and, yes, there's so many other families and people that are hurting, especially with world disasters, like you know planes going missing or crashing, and nobody wants to hear that. But at the same time, it's like we have to put our hands up and just say, yeah, cover me. Yah, help me, protect my family, help the one. We don't even pray for the young boys and girls in the streets that are doing stuff. All we do is Lord I hope my child or my family member does not get attacked. Who is praying for those people that are actually outside?

Speaker 1:

That's a good point. No one. No one is like Lord. Help them.

Speaker 3:

Help them to put down their knife. Help them to find love. Help them to. No one's praying for that. Everyone's praying, not to protect us from them, but who's praying for them?

Speaker 1:

It's a good point, very good point, very true. I thought that when I saw two girls no, it's a good, two pence it's I thought that when I saw these two girls, these two really young girls, getting on the bus yesterday and I just like said like I don't even know if I guess every prayer is a prayer, but I did say a prayer I was just like Lord, be with these girls, because there's just something that just wasn't right, because I was looking at the time of the day and why are they not at school or college or whatever they're meant to be? Do you know? I mean, like they just looked idle and, um, I felt sorry for them and I was just like this is really sad To see these two Young, pretty girls Outside. You know, just yeah, just look like they're not going anywhere.

Speaker 3:

Some schools are on Half term.

Speaker 1:

This week Are they, they finish later.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, different boroughs, different schools, so some children has got. The children who have Gone back to school, some of them, they were on there Last week, this. Different boroughs, different schools, so some children has got. There are children who have gone back to school, some of them they were on there last week, this week oh well, okay, that could be it.

Speaker 1:

Then God forgive me for my judgement if I did judge, because I was like what are they doing out? Because I mean, they don't bound to be from my borough, but I'm sure most of my people from my borough are back. But hey, because I've been, it's been chaos out there, um, in the school run, but yeah, maybe maybe they're not back. Yeah, you're true, could be right, um, but you see, do you know what I mean? Like, I didn't know this information, so my mind was just judging, I guess, but I didn't know that information, but I did feel like a way, like not a way, but when I saw them I just thought, yeah, this is.

Speaker 1:

May god be with them just for like praying anyways, um but, I don't think I have anything I can think of adding, but I feel like these are good points made, that we should really try to remember, as we're looking at things that's happening around the world, as we are looking at people closest to us as well, and the things that they are doing. The first reminder is that a sin is a sin. Your sin is not measured differently from theirs, even though you might think your thing is not as bad as what that person is doing, but it's the same. And then, secondly, our focus here is prayer, praying, praying, praying, praying, praying, praying. Sometimes I feel prayed out. I'm like, oh my gosh, is there any more prayers that I can pray? Like, oh no, sorry, that's incorrect, can there be? Like you know, the list is so long basically of prayers. It's just like, oh my gosh, I am just praying, like the list just feels long. I don't think I ever repeat the same prayers because sometimes I just feel like there's so many um.

Speaker 1:

But, like cc said, um, whatever comes to mind, we need to be interceding um, and we should be interceding for those young ones out there instead of just praying for our own family members and stuff that's very important um, but it's just to know that our god is a god of order and these things are happening for a reason, and it's not in vain. Like cece said, he's given us time. You know, sin is inevitable and these things are going to happen, but he has been so patient and given us so much time to get our act together, and not just us, our family members, our children, everybody because he wants to allow everyone the chance, so that nobody, nobody, can come and say, oh, you didn't give me a chance. Like you didn't like God, you just came. Like I didn't know, I didn't know.

Speaker 1:

Like no one can come and use that excuse Because he would have there's so many chance upon chance, like he's the only person that's going to do that. There's no one around you that's going to do that. There's no one around you that's going to give you that many chances the way that our father in heaven does. Literally, there's no one that's going to do that. Um, and so we need to stop taking that freedom of choice and the love that he's showing through that for granted. Speaking to myself Amen, yeah, that was me me.

Speaker 3:

With that being said, amen, and we hope that you was able to answer a question or answer a question that somebody else has said. And just to continue to like take time, read the word. He's left little promises in there for us and little nuggets, and sometimes we don't have to study a whole chapter, just focus on a couple of verses and just read it.

Speaker 3:

That's what I've been doing and because you know, sometimes when life is life in, you could just spend that time just focusing on those couple of verses for the week and um, you'll be amazed of how much is said to you throughout that time, and thank you for being patient with us, um with when these podcasts will be coming out, and thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1:

Amen. All right, guys, I want to pray, feel the Holy Spirit saying to pray, so I'll pray about this subject and, yeah, let's go. Blessed, holy and wonderful Father, give you praises and thanksgiving, lord, for this day. Thank you, father, lord in heaven, for this subject that you've brought forward for us today. Lord, I feel like it's something that it's a struggle for a lot of us in different ways, with the things that's happening in the world.

Speaker 1:

But, father God, we know that everything in the end will be worked out for your good. We know that, lord, you are still in control. Even when people think you're not. Even when people think the devil has control, he really doesn't. You still stand on the throne and you are still in charge of every single thing that's occurring around us.

Speaker 1:

And so, father God, for all of those who are struggling, please help us with our faith to strengthen, help us with our humility. Father God, with peace and Lord, for us to just come to you wholeheartedly, honestly, because you see everything. You're the all-knowing God, you're omnipotent, you are everywhere and so you know everything. And so help us to just put you first. Everything else will follow. We'll see how you'll work things out, and help us to not lose hope, to just keep holding on to you, father, and I just pray, lord, in heaven, that we can just continue to be the light that you need of us to be. Thank you, lord, for everything. Thank you, lord, for your time, and we love you maybe not as much as you love us, but we love you in your son's name as we pray amen amen, and I'll just say a short prayer.

Speaker 3:

We don't always understand why pain and evil are allowed, but we trust that you are still good. Help us to hold on when things don't make sense. Strengthen our faith, comfort our heart and remind us that you are near, even in darkness. In Yeshua's name, amen, and we'll see you, guys, soon. Toodle-oo.